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The Obama Boom Stalls: 120,000 Jobs created in March; Unemployment falls to 8.2%

by Rodan ( 149 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Economy, unemployment at April 6th, 2012 - 11:30 am

After receiving media adulation the past few months as the best job growth since the 1990′s, the Obama Boom returns to form. Job growth for March fell to 120,000 created. This is below the 150,000 needed to keep up with population growth. The unemployment rate dropped to 8.2%. This fall was due to workers leaving the labor force and not job growth. This report was below the 200,000 estimate the media was expecting.

U.S. payrolls rose far less than expected in March, keeping the door open for further monetary policy support from the Federal Reserve, even as the unemployment rate fell to a three-year low of 8.2 percent.

Employers added 120,000 jobs last month, the Labor Department said on Friday, the smallest increase since October.

[....]

The weak employment growth last month likely reflected the fading boost from unseasonably warm winter weather. The payrolls count for January and February was revised to show just 4,000 more jobs created than previously reported.

The drop in the unemployment rate, to the lowest level since January 2009, reflected a drop in the labor force. The separate household survey, from which the jobless rate is derieved also showed a drop in employment.

This was a bad jobs report no matter how its spin. The Pharaoh in Chief with the assistance of his high priests (media) will claim times are good and these are good numbers. Hopefully Americans will not believe the lies. But seeing the hold the Pharaoh has in people, I will not count on it. The Obama Boom is a myth that refuses to die.

Update: Dorian Grey linked to a great article showing why the 8.2% rate is a bogus number. The real number should be 9.4% is people were not vdropped from the rolls.

Recall that back in 2009, White House economists Jared Bernstein and Christina Romer used their old-fashioned Keynesian model to predict how the $800 billion stimulus would affect employment. According to their model—as displayed in the above chart, updated—unemployment should be around 5.8% today.

But the true measure of U.S. unemployment is far worse:

1. If the size of the U.S. labor force as a share of the total population was the same as it was when Barack Obama took office—65.7% then vs. 63.8% today down from last month—the U-3 unemployment rate would be 10.9%.

2. But what if you take into the account the aging of the Baby Boomers, which means the labor force participation (LFP) rate should be trending lower. Indeed, it has been doing just that since 2000. Before the Great Recession, the Congressional Budget Office predicted what the LFP would be in 2012, assuming such demographic changes. Using that number, the real unemployment rate would be 10.5%.

3. Of course, the LFP rate usually falls during recessions. Yet even if you discount for that and the aging issue, the real unemployment rate would be 9.4%.

4. Then there’s the broader, U-6 measure of unemployment which includes the discouraged plus part-timers who wish they had full time work. That unemployment rate, perhaps the truest measure of the labor market’s health, is still a sky-high 14.5%.

5. The employment-population ratio dipped to 58.5% vs. 61% in December 2008. An historically low level of the U.S. population is actually working.

The media can spin all they want, but the unemployment situation sucks.

(Hat Tip: Doriangrey)

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149 Responses to “The Obama Boom Stalls: 120,000 Jobs created in March; Unemployment falls to 8.2%”
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  1. 2 | April 6, 2012 11:34 am

    Of course, how many people fell off the rolls after exhausting their 99 weeks of unemployment? So many inconvenient statistics.


  2. 3 | April 6, 2012 11:39 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ Carolina Girl:

    The media can spin all they want. This was a terrible jobs report.


  3. 4 | April 6, 2012 11:41 am

    @ Rodan:

    I listen to WBAP via iTunes. There are 88,000,000 Americans NOT working. That’s a frigging third of the population -- how is unemployment only 8.2%???


  4. 5 | April 6, 2012 11:48 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I listen to WBAP via iTunes. There are 88,000,000 Americans NOT working. That’s a frigging third of the population – how is unemployment only 8.2%???

    It isn’t, it really is that simple. If Obama or the Fifth Column Treasonous Media admitted that the Unemployment rate was really 30% not only would Obama not get reelected, but every single Democrat would lose their seat and probably the entire Obama Administration would find themselves in Court on Criminal malfeasance charges.


  5. lobo91
    6 | April 6, 2012 11:48 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    I listen to WBAP via iTunes. There are 88,000,000 Americans NOT working. That’s a frigging third of the population – how is unemployment only 8.2%???

    You’ll have plenty of time to consider that question in re-education camp…


  6. 7 | April 6, 2012 11:50 am

    We have always been at war with East Asia…


  7. 8 | April 6, 2012 11:54 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    We have always been at war with East Asia…

    Poor George would be rolling over in his grave right now if he knew how closely reality ended up mirroring his book.


  8. 9 | April 6, 2012 11:59 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I read the real rate should be 11.8%. The whole baby boomers retiring is a bunch of BS. The amount of Baby Boomers leaving the workforce is not enough to lower the rate.

    This is all a lie.


  9. 10 | April 6, 2012 12:00 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The economy is so awesome you have to work in Kuwait. How they can make this claim with a straight face is disgusting.


  10. 11 | April 6, 2012 12:04 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    This is the greatest economy in the history of humanity!
    ////


  11. 12 | April 6, 2012 12:06 pm

    I’m about to the point where if a Kuwait gig came up, I’d take it. I worked there before and it didn’t kill me. Wasn’t any fun, but it didn’t kill me…


  12. RIX
    13 | April 6, 2012 12:07 pm

    Obama is now ginning up more division.
    He is saying that women earn only $0.77 per
    each $1.00 that men earn & that the figure is
    less than that for Black & Latino women.
    In my industry, in all of these years I have never
    seen a pay disparity for the same job based on gender,
    or ethnicity.
    I would love to know where he got his stats from.


  13. 14 | April 6, 2012 12:10 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I would love to know where he got his stats from.

    No you wouldn’t, it would gross you out… :shock:


  14. 15 | April 6, 2012 12:12 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    You have to do what you have to do. Its just a shame Americans have to leave this country to get work. Very sad.


  15. 16 | April 6, 2012 12:13 pm

    @ RIX:

    Its all crap. They factor in CEOs who do tend to be male. But that is due to the fact women have kids and sometimes put careers on hold. That skews and creates a BS wage gap.


  16. 17 | April 6, 2012 12:14 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I would love to know where he got his stats from.

    Same place he got his Constitutional Law from: he just made it up.


  17. buzzsawmonkey
    18 | April 6, 2012 12:15 pm

    They’re really boiling out of the baseboards in the Democratic party; just look at what is running for the Democratic nomination for Senate in Connecticut.

    This Lee Whitnum is running on a largely anti-Israel platform.


  18. 19 | April 6, 2012 12:16 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Same place he got his Constitutional Law from: he just made it up it has dingle Barry’s attached to it.

    :twisted:


  19. 20 | April 6, 2012 12:17 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Any other President would be crucified for an anemic economy. Not Obama, he’s our Pharaoh/god-king!


  20. 21 | April 6, 2012 12:17 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Obama’s past is a mystery.


  21. RIX
    22 | April 6, 2012 12:18 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    I would love to know where he got his stats from.
    No you wouldn’t, it would gross you out…

    He probably got his stats from that well known economist,
    Joe Biden./


  22. RIX
    23 | April 6, 2012 12:20 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    I would love to know where he got his stats from.
    Same place he got his Constitutional Law from: he just made it up.

    He is the most dishonest president in my memory.


  23. 24 | April 6, 2012 12:21 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    I would love to know where he got his stats from.
    Same place he got his Constitutional Law from: he just made it up.

    He is the most dishonest president in my memory America’s History.

    Sorry, had to fix that to reflect reality…


  24. 25 | April 6, 2012 12:21 pm

    @ RIX:

    He’s a despicable liar.


  25. 26 | April 6, 2012 12:22 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    He’s the first 3rd World President of America.


  26. 27 | April 6, 2012 12:23 pm

    @ RIX:

    Yeah, even Clinton didn’t lie this blatantly. Obama doesn’t even bother to tell believable lies. He just lies, and then acts shocked when, like with his threat to the Court, he gets called on his lies.


  27. 28 | April 6, 2012 12:26 pm

    The inflationary spiral that has been predicted for a few years now is just starting. Prices are beginning to rise to the point where people are beginning to recognize it. This will not be a pretty economy for the Bamster come November, not in the slightest.


  28. 29 | April 6, 2012 12:26 pm

    Check this shit out:

    The staffer for DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz who posted the controversial ‘Jewbag’ photo on her Facebook page in 2006 is no anonymous aide — but the daughter of Mark and Nancy Gilbert, two major Florida donors who have raised more than $500,000 for the Obama campaign.

    Danielle “Dani” Gilbert, according to party sources, was tapped by Wasserman Schultz to serve as a liaison to the Jewish community, even though party officials and people close to Obama told her that more senior Democrats were already handling those responsibilities.

    Wasserman Schultz has thus far refused to fire or discipline Gilbert, whose gallery of candid photos and personal commentary has since been removed from her public Facebook page, according to Democrats.

    Wow! The nepotism and corruption is strong in this one. And the Democrats will get away with it. We should hang them with their hypocracy…


  29. 30 | April 6, 2012 12:28 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    By the way, the purposeful inflation of our economy is well beyond the 21% mark for the previous three years now. This represents over a doubling of normal inflation. With a new round of easing promised, we are nearing the troubles seen in Brazil and Chile in the early 1970′s.


  30. waldensianspirit
    31 | April 6, 2012 12:30 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    This Lee Whitnum

    Make Obama own it. He’ll ruffle


  31. 32 | April 6, 2012 12:33 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I listen to WBAP via iTunes. There are 88,000,000 Americans NOT working. That’s a frigging third of the population – how is unemployment only 8.2%???

    You’ll have plenty of time to consider that question in re-education camp…

    Will they let me bring snacks?


  32. 33 | April 6, 2012 12:33 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    Devaluing your currency leads to that. No matter how you spin this, this job report is bad.


  33. 34 | April 6, 2012 12:34 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    They have the mentality of Feudal lords.


  34. 35 | April 6, 2012 12:37 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Yeah, even Clinton didn’t lie this blatantly. Obama doesn’t even bother to tell believable lies. He just lies, and then acts shocked when, like with his threat to the Court, he gets called on his lies.

    Clinton was just a political animal who knew that meting the Republicans halfway would end up reflecting well on him, and it did. Obama is a hard-core ideologue intoxicated with his own id.


  35. citizen_q
    36 | April 6, 2012 12:38 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Don’t forget arrogance. It matters little to them if they get caught.


  36. 37 | April 6, 2012 12:38 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Obama is a true believer. He actually believes in his Far Left ideology. This is really a scary situation.


  37. buzzsawmonkey
    38 | April 6, 2012 12:38 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Make Obama own it. He’ll ruffle

    “Ruffle?”


  38. waldensianspirit
    39 | April 6, 2012 12:40 pm

    Lee Whitnum -- John F’n Kerry connection

    John Kerry and Hedge Fund Mistress. Her first claim to fame -- the use of a personal relationship with John Kerry to sell books.
    The anti-blogger. Her antagonistic encounters and misadventures with bloggers.
    Her campaigning skills. And the lack thereof.
    Her issues and Nazi conspiracies. Calling her opponent a Nazi, and her other issues.
    Racism and immigration. Her views on immigration, her racial rhetoric, and her reliance on information from racist hate groups.
    Her fundraising. And the lack thereof.
    The many faces of Lee Whitnum. Her multiple incarnations.


  39. 40 | April 6, 2012 12:41 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Her issues and Nazi conspiracies. Calling her opponent a Nazi, and her other issues.

    This could be Charles Johnson’s long lost love!


  40. waldensianspirit
    41 | April 6, 2012 12:41 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Yep, feathers as in bannie rooster


  41. RIX
    42 | April 6, 2012 12:44 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    Agreed


  42. lobo91
    43 | April 6, 2012 12:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Its all crap. They factor in CEOs who do tend to be male. But that is due to the fact women have kids and sometimes put careers on hold. That skews and creates a BS wage gap.

    They’ve been pushing that nonsense for years. There’s actually more to it than that, though.

    When you hear them talk about “equal pay for equal work,” you naturally assume that they mean “for doing the same job.”

    But they don’t. They’re referring to what they consider to be “equivalent” jobs.

    One example they always use is cops and social workers. To them, those are “equivalent” jobs. Since a higher percentage of women are social workers than cops, and social workers make less, therefore, it supports their claim that women get paid less.


  43. waldensianspirit
    44 | April 6, 2012 12:46 pm

    @ Rodan:
    They are meant for each other! Antagonistic encounters and misadventures with bloggers. heehee


  44. RIX
    45 | April 6, 2012 12:47 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Yeah, even Clinton didn’t lie this blatantly. Obama doesn’t even bother to tell believable lies. He just lies, and then acts shocked when, like with his threat to the Court, he gets called on his lies.

    Unlike Clinton, Obama can always play the race card.
    I don’t think that there is any real doubt that he
    has made race relations worse.


  45. 46 | April 6, 2012 12:48 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Thanks for that info. SO once again the Progressives use straw men data to invent a crisis where there is none. That way they can get more control under the guise of solving the problem. They are so blatant its obvious.


  46. 47 | April 6, 2012 12:49 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    That might be a dod post!


  47. 48 | April 6, 2012 12:49 pm

    A bit OT, but I just came back from an appointment with my neurologist. For a time, we discussed the state and the future of health care and, needless to say, she was not happy with what she was seeing. I shared with her my view that what is being done to healthcare is tantamount to “being presented with a man with kidney stones and decide ding to proceed with a multiple organ transplant followed with a six-month course of chemotherapy” She actually laughed out loud and replied “yes, I think you have a pretty good handle on the situation”.


  48. waldensianspirit
    49 | April 6, 2012 12:54 pm


  49. 50 | April 6, 2012 12:54 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    This is no joke. Obamcare is life or death literally!


  50. 51 | April 6, 2012 12:56 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    That cat’s a pussy……


  51. 52 | April 6, 2012 12:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:

    He’s the first 3rd World President of America.

    It’s truly sickening. My disgust for Обама is such, I must simply retort: [Deleted]


  52. 53 | April 6, 2012 1:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    This is no joke. Obamcare is life or death literally!

    It really is and that’s not hyperbole. As some may know, I’m quite a consumer of health care and it this scares the crap outta me. I’ve got good insurance and it seems that it’s people like me who are the target. I understand that when I’ve been on disability for two years I’ll be forced to go on MediCare, even though I’ve got good insurance! I don’t want to go on friggin’ MediCare, this is BS of the first order!


  53. 54 | April 6, 2012 1:08 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    My Dad is 65, My Mom 60 and my Step Dad is 66. This is very personal for me.


  54. 55 | April 6, 2012 1:15 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    My Dad is 65, My Mom 60 and my Step Dad is 66. This is very personal for me.

    It’s maybe hard for a lot of young people to understand, but that’s still pretty young!


  55. 56 | April 6, 2012 1:17 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    I’m 36 and by the time I get 50 if Obamcare and, who knows whether I will get treated for anything serious. This is really scary stuff.


  56. buzzsawmonkey
    57 | April 6, 2012 1:26 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I’ve got good insurance and it seems that it’s people like me who are the target.

    I had moderately decent minimal insurance until Obamacare was passed. The first renewal after the bill passed, my premiums went up 33%. The next year they went up another 20%—and I had to downgrade to a much less comprehensive plan because I couldn’t afford what I had.


  57. lobo91
    58 | April 6, 2012 1:30 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Remember, “If you like your insurance, you can keep it.”

    //


  58. 59 | April 6, 2012 1:31 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Our companies plan is just 1500 to spend on healthcare for the year.


  59. lobo91
    60 | April 6, 2012 1:33 pm

    My insurance is actually pretty good.

    As long as I’m in Kuwait or one of the other Gulf countries.

    It sucks in the US.


  60. buzzsawmonkey
    61 | April 6, 2012 1:36 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Remember, “If you like your insurance, you can keep it.”

    More like the protection racket guy; “Nice little insurance package you got there. Be a shame if anything was to happen to it.”


  61. 62 | April 6, 2012 1:37 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That is the “Affordable” Part of the Affordable Health Care Act. Like everything else out of Obama’s mouth, it is a lie.


  62. RIX
    63 | April 6, 2012 1:39 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    He’s a despicable liar.

    He is that. But he also promotes hatred.
    He always has a boogeyman to turn the American
    people against.
    He tried to smear doctors & when that didn’t
    work, he just substituted insurance companies.
    Then he involves himself in the Trayvon Martin
    killing. Now that the hysteria against Zimmerman
    is falling apart, he just moves on to the next
    demon.


  63. 64 | April 6, 2012 1:42 pm

    @ RIX:

    He’s using typical 3rd World Liberation tactics.


  64. RIX
    65 | April 6, 2012 1:44 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    What the Patient Protection and Afforable Care Act
    does not do is decrease cost or improve quality.
    What it does do is reduce quality & introduce
    rationing among other things.


  65. RIX
    66 | April 6, 2012 1:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    He’s using typical 3rd World Liberation tactics.

    Yes he is, we have seen this movie before.
    he tosses in a healthy dose of Alinsky & Cloward
    Piven & the MSM acts like it is not his blue print.


  66. 67 | April 6, 2012 1:54 pm

    @ RIX:

    He is Idi Amin, Mugabe, Castro and Chavez all rolled up into one.


  67. citizen_q
    68 | April 6, 2012 1:56 pm

    @ Rodan:
    666
    /


  68. RIX
    69 | April 6, 2012 1:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    He is Idi Amin, Mugabe, Castro and Chavez all rolled up into one.

    Obama has delusions of granduer & the MSM & other
    Libs reenforce it.
    He got a Nobel Prize for atually doing nothing.
    He got free passes through school & gets fast tracked
    to the white House with next to no experience.
    He thinks that he is special.


  69. 70 | April 6, 2012 1:58 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Those are three 9′s! Herman Cain! 8O


  70. 71 | April 6, 2012 2:00 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Herman Cain is actually Black!


  71. 72 | April 6, 2012 2:01 pm

    @ RIX:

    he is treated like a god-king and he believes he is.


  72. citizen_q
    73 | April 6, 2012 2:01 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Dyslexics of the world untie! :-)


  73. 74 | April 6, 2012 2:01 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    I would laugh at that, but seeing what this man has withstood politically, it gives me thoughts.


  74. citizen_q
    75 | April 6, 2012 2:02 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Black black versus white black, or is it black white?

    Which race comes first if you are trying to be PC?


  75. 76 | April 6, 2012 2:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Her issues and Nazi conspiracies. Calling her opponent a Nazi, and her other issues.
    This could be Charles Johnson’s long lost love!

    That was my first thought -- Charles Johnson in a skirt.


  76. buzzsawmonkey
    77 | April 6, 2012 2:03 pm

    Just read a great quote over at the PJM Tatler, but I don’t have a citable source for it:

    The very astute Richard Epstein, professor of law at University of Chicago, noted that “I like Obama but I reject the suggestion that he is an intellectual. He is an activist merely mimicking the mannerisms of an intellectual.”

    In response to the question, “How good is Obama’s mind?”, Epstein replied: “His mind is pretty good, but it is a clever ‘means-ends’ mind. He has never written a scholarly article in his entire life. ”


  77. citizen_q
    78 | April 6, 2012 2:05 pm

    @ Rodan:
    He is perpetrating evil.

    obamacare is murder and neglect by bureaucracy for specious stated social engineering aims.


  78. 79 | April 6, 2012 2:06 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I have an admin at DOD putting a thread together on Charles Johnson’s woman.


  79. RIX
    80 | April 6, 2012 2:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    he is treated like a god-king and he believes he is.

    And that is part of the problem, he buys into the
    myth, so for him it is all real.
    “the sea levels will lower & the Earth will heal.”
    “We are the ones that we have waited for”
    He is a dangerous narcissist & I believe that he has
    a Messianic complex.


  80. 81 | April 6, 2012 2:08 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Obama is Mulatto. I don’t understand why in this country, mixed race people are not acknowledge., In Europe and Latin America, Obama would not be considered Black. he is Mulatto.


  81. Calo
    82 | April 6, 2012 2:08 pm

    OT
    Navy Jet crashes in Virginia

    http://instagr.am/p/JFf9wZS4aw/


  82. 83 | April 6, 2012 2:08 pm

    @ RIX:

    He is a dangerous narcissist & I believe that he has
    a Messianic complex.

    That is what is scary. He has been built up to a messiah like status that he is really delusional.


  83. 84 | April 6, 2012 2:09 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Obamacare is a step to Eugenics.


  84. 85 | April 6, 2012 2:10 pm

    @ Calo:

    Is aw that and luckily the pilots ejected.


  85. RIX
    86 | April 6, 2012 2:11 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    He is perpetrating evil.
    obamacare is murder and neglect by bureaucracy for specious stated social engineering aims.

    No stretch for BHO. He openly supported infanticide
    in the IL State Senate in the case of a live birth,
    due to a botched abortion.
    He was the only Senator to oppose the Born Alive Infants
    Protection Act.


  86. RIX
    87 | April 6, 2012 2:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    He is a dangerous narcissist & I believe that he has
    a Messianic complex.
    That is what is scary. He has been built up to a messiah like status that he is really delusional.

    Yup. He needs to be in a psych program, not in the
    White House.


  87. 88 | April 6, 2012 2:14 pm

    Rodan -- I was listening to Mark Levin’s podcast this morning and he said something rather interesting and I’d be equally interested in hearing your take on it. He said the use of “Hispanic” was promulgated by Richard Nixon as a way to define a minority group separate from whites and blacks. He also offered that those defined by the use of “Hispanic” or “Latino” don’t like it, that they would prefer to be defined by their country of origin just like the rest of us would; i.e. Venezuelan, Argentinian, Brazilian, Spanish, etc. (Citing that Whites don’t refer to themselves as “European Americans” but rather reference their country of origin.)

    Would you agree with this assessment?


  88. 89 | April 6, 2012 2:14 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    What the Patient Protection and Afforable Care Act
    does not do is decrease cost or improve quality.
    What it does do is reduce quality & introduce
    rationing among other things.

    What’s needed is an unbiased video look at existing, Western set-run healthcare systems -- showing all the pluses and the minuses -- like that movie “Waiting for Superman” that was done on our educational system. These’s a lot of disinformation out there on both sides and I sincerely believe that an unbiased review of the US system, vs the UK or Canadian systems would be reflect well on the US system, flaws and all. Yeah, we need some reform, but we needn’t destroy what’s already been built, we need to modify it.


  89. buzzsawmonkey
    90 | April 6, 2012 2:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Obama is Mulatto. I don’t understand why in this country, mixed race people are not acknowledge., In Europe and Latin America, Obama would not be considered Black. he is Mulatto.

    I don’t see why it is important—except to demonstrate that the Democrats adhere now to the “one-drop rule” just as much as they did when there were Jim Crow laws (which the Democrats promulgated and passed); if you got a “drop” of black, you’re black.

    They adhere to the “one drop” rule with gays, too—join that circle-jerk in the woods during the weekend Boy Scout jamboree, buddy-boy, and you’d damn well better start suing the school for permission to take your best friend to the prom instead of your girlfriend, or else you’re denying your true self.


  90. Moe Katz
    91 | April 6, 2012 2:21 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    Glad to see you back, Mac. I have seen detached, analytical comparisons of the Canadian and US systems and clearly neither is perfect. It gets complicated very quickly and makes my senescent brain spin.

    Off to the gym.


  91. 92 | April 6, 2012 2:21 pm

    @ RIX:

    RIX -- at the beginning of the week, when Obama spoke about “Affordable Health Care Act” it was mind-boggling that he made two claims about it that everyone with two synapses to rub together know to be dishonest -- that it passed a “duly elected” Congress with significant majorities (6 votes in the House, even with the Democrat majority and by three unelected Senators after lots of deal making) and that it had significant public support. There has never been a majority of public approval for this law.

    I think he’s like most narcissic social activists and libturds -- they refuse to ground themselves in any reality that doesn’t fit their world view and they believe that the rest of the country really and truly believes as they do. Obama sounds more and more delusional every time he opens his mouth. Also his constant need to be in the public eye -- the NCAA finals, introducing To Kill A Mockingbird on TV? And let’s not forget every single interview with him is touted as “exclusive” -- exclusive? -- he’s on TV more than Alex Trebeck.


  92. citizen_q
    93 | April 6, 2012 2:23 pm

    @ RIX:
    What a horror.

    My question is, how can a physician, any physician allow a baby that survived an abortion to die. Maybe if you had done the leap, and are an abortionist you have already rationalized murder?


  93. 94 | April 6, 2012 2:25 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Yes absolutely! In our Countries Hispanic (Hispano) just means Spanish speakers. Its a cultural definition. Latin (Latino) is broader term. It included Portuguese speakers, French speakers, Italians, Romanians and Greeks. It does not confer racial status. Most refer top themselves by their nation of origins.

    Most Hispanic consider themselves racially white. What has happened is that both parties have lied and claim Hispanic is a race. Its just a linguistic grouping. Its like saying Irish, Scots and Welsh are Celtic. They may use it in a cultural sense, but define themselves per nation of origins.

    Take me for example, I am Hispanic, but biologically I 1/4 Lebanese and 1/4 Italian. So what race am I? My birth certificate says Caucasian, yet because of my name, many don’t consider I am for political reasons. Yet in Europe and Latin America I am viewed as White.

    I think the creation of the group Hispanic was the biggest mistake ever done. Its put us in a box and we are used like political football. Under normal circumstances, we would just be another Immigrant group blending in.

    Mark Levin is spot on.


  94. 95 | April 6, 2012 2:26 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Very true and spot on. Obama’s color is irrelevant to me. I view him as a Totalitarian scumbag.


  95. 96 | April 6, 2012 2:30 pm

    @ Rodan:

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Addendum: What defines Hispanics is class. My family on my Dominican side come from Lebanese merchants. On my Spain side, minor nobility. On my Puerto Rican side its a mess! :-)

    These class difference have translated to this nation, yet we are all lumped together. Hispanics like me have more in common with White Catholics, than we do with Spanish speaking Meso-American Natives who make up the bulk of illegals. Yet we are all lumped in.


  96. RIX
    97 | April 6, 2012 2:43 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    I sincerely believe that an unbiased review of the US system, vs the UK or Canadian systems would be reflect well on the US system, flaws and all. Yeah, we need some reform, but we needn’t destroy what’s already been built, we need to modify it

    That’s it exactly. There is a reason people who can
    afford to come here come all over the world
    for treatment.Our issue is cost, not quality.


  97. 98 | April 6, 2012 2:45 pm

    @ RIX:

    Yeah I don’t see people flocking to Europe for healthcare.


  98. 99 | April 6, 2012 2:48 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    Go work it out!


  99. RIX
    100 | April 6, 2012 2:50 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I think he’s like most narcissic social activists and libturds – they refuse to ground themselves in any reality that doesn’t fit their world view and they believe that the rest of the country really and truly believes as they do. Obama sounds more and more delusional every time he opens his mouth. Also his constant need to be in the public eye – the NCAA finals, introducing To Kill A Mockingbird on TV? And let’s not forget every single interview with him is touted as “exclusive” – exclusive? – he’s on TV more than Alex Trebeck.

    He is on TV & the radio constantly.
    He is completely self-absorbed.


  100. RIX
    101 | April 6, 2012 2:52 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ RIX:

    What a horror.
    My question is, how can a physician, any physician allow a baby that survived an abortion to die. Maybe if you had done the leap, and are an abortionist you have already rationalized murder?

    It is a mystery. Once A baby has entered the world, there
    is no doubt that it is a person in full.
    It is also an American citizen & should have full rights.


  101. Moe Katz
    102 | April 6, 2012 2:54 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I can’t spare the brain cells. Seriously, it even varies disease by disease; treatment for one condition is better in Canada, but for another condition it’s better in the US. And then there are regional differences within the two countries, class differences, and so forth. On the whole, I’d say the US system is better for those who have really good insurance or can afford to buy the best care cash-on-the-barrel. But don’t forget that Canadians can also cross the border and buy state-of-the-art procedures.


  102. buzzsawmonkey
    103 | April 6, 2012 2:56 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I sincerely believe that an unbiased review of the US system, vs the UK or Canadian systems would be reflect well on the US system, flaws and all. Yeah, we need some reform, but we needn’t destroy what’s already been built, we need to modify it.

    If there had merely been a true reform of health insurance—e.g., allowing insurance companies to sell coverage across state lines (a genuine exercise of Congressional power under the Commerce Clause, btw), the price of coverage would have dropped dramatically through the exercise of a free market.

    Currently, the prices of coverage are maintained artificially high because each state has a few major insurers who are protected from outside competition and can charge monopoly prices.

    For that matter, remember when not only people with AIDS, but people merely profiled as possibly being at risk of AIDS (e.g., unmarried past a certain age, or merely a member of a gay-suspect profession), could not get insurance? Had it been possible to sell insurance across state lines, it would have been a simple matter for a new company to provide national health insurance to people in this category; people whom the other companies had rejected on “profiling” but who were still seeking coverage. But that would have been a free-market and, worse, a simple solution to the problems of health coverage. The objective has never been to solve the problems of health coverage or to make a simple solution. The objective has always been to push for a single-payer system to control the populace.


  103. buzzsawmonkey
    104 | April 6, 2012 2:58 pm

    RIX wrote:

    He is on TV & the radio constantly.
    He is completely self-absorbed.

    Obama™ Paper Towels—
    The Most Self-Absorbent Towel on the Market!


  104. citizen_q
    105 | April 6, 2012 3:00 pm

    @ RIX:
    I agree.

    obama and I think sebelius from the comments I have heard her make consider the baby a societal burden. It is the same line of thinking that lead to eugenics and culling by the likes of margret sanger that darken so the first half of the 20th century.


  105. Moe Katz
    106 | April 6, 2012 3:02 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Italian, Lebanese and Puerto Rican and European Spanish sounds like a nice mix of cuisines anyway. :) Speaking of which, I’m making felafels tonight.


  106. buzzsawmonkey
    107 | April 6, 2012 3:03 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    obama and I think sebelius from the comments I have heard her make consider the baby a societal burden.

    Gerber Baby Food—now with more real baby goodness added!


  107. 108 | April 6, 2012 3:04 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    Even my Puerto Rican side is a mix. I have Corsican, Montenegrin (Serb) and Taino Nativen.


  108. NoThreat2U
    109 | April 6, 2012 3:04 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    If these people are so anti-life, they should just kill themselves. Honestly, an adult must have a bigger carbon footprint more then a baby.


  109. 110 | April 6, 2012 3:05 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    I eat Kibbe with salasa!


  110. NoThreat2U
    111 | April 6, 2012 3:05 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Everytime you mention Corsican, I think of the Cheech and Chong movie The Corsican Brothers.


  111. 112 | April 6, 2012 3:05 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    That’s what death panels are for. Their goal is to decide who lives and who dies.

    Obamacare is so the elites can implement population control.


  112. buzzsawmonkey
    113 | April 6, 2012 3:05 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Speaking of which, I’m making felafels tonight.

    Then—notwithstanding your nic—you’re either not Jewish, Sephardi, or non-observant, since tonight is the first night of Passover and chickpeas, as kitniyot, are not proper food for Ashkenazi Jews for the next 8 days.


  113. 114 | April 6, 2012 3:06 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    That was an awesome comedy!


  114. buzzsawmonkey
    115 | April 6, 2012 3:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Corsican

    “‘Course I can!”
    —Barack Obama


  115. 116 | April 6, 2012 3:07 pm

    New Thread!


  116. 117 | April 6, 2012 3:08 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    He wishes he was like Napoleon.


  117. 118 | April 6, 2012 3:10 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    He is on TV & the radio constantly.
    He is completely self-absorbed.
    Obama™ Paper Towels—
    The Most Self-Absorbent Towel on the Market!

    BSW -- I need someone to teach me photoshop. That image is priceless.


  118. 119 | April 6, 2012 3:12 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Everytime you mention Corsican, I think of the Cheech and Chong movie The Corsican Brothers.

    When we flew to Rome we overflew Corsica; it looked mountainous and fairly rugged, even at the coastline.


  119. Alberta Oil Peon
    120 | April 6, 2012 3:14 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I wonder if she will set off a ping on Chunkles’ fabulous Nazi Detector?


  120. citizen_q
    121 | April 6, 2012 3:15 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    A very soylent comment.


  121. 122 | April 6, 2012 3:16 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ NoThreat2U:
    That’s what death panels are for. Their goal is to decide who lives and who dies.
    Obamacare is so the elites can implement population control.

    For all their screaming and yelling about the sonogram being invasive -- I forsee the day every woman over 35 must undergo amniocentesis; if her unborn baby is shown as “defective”, she will be pressured to abort. All you had to do was see the reaction to Sarah Palin refusing to abort Trig -- liberal woman were genuinely appalled she’d choose life.


  122. 123 | April 6, 2012 3:19 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Eugenics!


  123. NoThreat2U
    124 | April 6, 2012 3:19 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I know. Believe me, I am putting a lot of thought into this “death panel” situation.
    @ Carolina Girl:
    Hmmmmm interesting thought….


  124. 125 | April 6, 2012 3:21 pm

    Van Jones group plans American’s “Arab Spring” revolt

    I’ve been waiting for this one; they’re so predictable. How long before this is merged with the “Justice for Treyvon” peeps?


  125. NoThreat2U
    126 | April 6, 2012 3:23 pm

    Dont worry about Trayvon. Navi Pillay of the UN Human Rights Council feels the need to look into that to make sure his civil rights weren’t violated. *spit*


  126. RIX
    127 | April 6, 2012 3:23 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    He is on TV & the radio constantly.
    He is completely self-absorbed.
    Obama™ Paper Towels—
    The Most Self-Absorbent Towel on the Market!

    I want some !


  127. Alberta Oil Peon
    128 | April 6, 2012 3:25 pm

    @ Macker:
    Macker! Where you at? How are you doing?


  128. RIX
    129 | April 6, 2012 3:25 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    I think that Zimmerman is going to be a wealthy man
    when he brings a civil suit against NBC & probably
    CNN.


  129. 130 | April 6, 2012 3:26 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Van Jones group plans American’s “Arab Spring” revolt
    I’ve been waiting for this one; they’re so predictable. How long before this is merged with the “Justice for Treyvon” peeps?

    Yea, about that “American Spring” has anyone bothered to inform Van Jones that, well half the country is armed to the teeth and won’t find his “American Spring” to their liking?


  130. buzzsawmonkey
    131 | April 6, 2012 3:27 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I want some !

    It’d actually be funny to try and rush those into market as the election heats up. I bet it would piss off Dear Leader something fierce.


  131. RIX
    132 | April 6, 2012 3:29 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    I want some !
    It’d actually be funny to try and rush those into market as the election heats up. I bet it would piss off Dear Leader something fierce.

    No doubt, but a big seller.


  132. NoThreat2U
    133 | April 6, 2012 3:30 pm

    @ RIX:
    I hope everyong who put a price on that man’s head gets their pants sued off. This is worse racial theater then the OJ trial IMO.


  133. NoThreat2U
    134 | April 6, 2012 3:31 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Speaking of OJ, they sure were happy the court system worked the way it did and found him not guilty. Now they don’t want that same system to work for Zimmerman.


  134. citizen_q
    135 | April 6, 2012 3:31 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    I am sure he won’t be in the of fire.

    That may be exactly what they want. Mayhap my tin-foil hat is not working, but It seems we may be purposefully being primed for violence.

    A real crisis that can be taken advantage of.


  135. citizen_q
    136 | April 6, 2012 3:32 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    If they didn’t have double-standards they’d have no standards at all.


  136. NoThreat2U
    137 | April 6, 2012 3:34 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    So true!


  137. RIX
    138 | April 6, 2012 3:38 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    Last week would have been the 15th birthday Keli
    O’Laughlin.
    Five months ago she came home from school to her house
    in Indian Head Park outside Chicago.
    She surprised a burgelar when she went to her room.
    He stabbed her repeatedly killing her & left with
    jewelry & her cell phone.
    Here is the kicker, he used the phone to call & taunt
    the girls mother for a week until the police found him.
    The perp is Black, the victim was White.
    Where is the Treyvon level outrage?


  138. 139 | April 6, 2012 3:40 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    I am sure he won’t be in the of fire.
    That may be exactly what they want. Mayhap my tin-foil hat is not working, but It seems we may be purposefully being primed for violence.
    A real crisis that can be taken advantage of.

    ROTFLMAO… Better think again, while the likes of Obama need people like Van Jones to stir things up, people like Van Jones living through what they stir up is the very last thing those in power want, as Van Jones’s rise to prominence would threaten their own already established positions of power. Think Stalin really wanted Lenin or Trotsky’s influence undermining his? No, that’s why he murdered both of them and Van Jones would suffer the exact same fate if he didn’t die creating the chaos from which the Revolution could be brought forth.


  139. 140 | April 6, 2012 3:49 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    @ Rodan:

    There’s an increasing lack of basic humanity in the public square these days; there’s an element that sees people like Dick Cheney as not just an opponent, but a sworn enemy who are not worthy of life, itself, simply because of his political background. Julianne Malveaux openly hoped that Clarence Thomas would meet an early death. Am I the least bit shocked that there are discussions about who’s “worth” medical treatment? Surprised its come this soon, but not really shocked.

    There was a time when kids like Trig Palin were protected, even from hurtful descriptions such as “retards” and Elder statesmen like Cheney were afforded a level of repeat, even from their rivals. Now we’re openly debating whether their worth to society warrants keeping them alive.


  140. buzzsawmonkey
    141 | April 6, 2012 3:53 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Where is the Treyvon level outrage?

    Just waiting to be awakened for a phony controversy. It won’t appear for that case, because—being white—the 15-year-old clearly deserved what she got.

    The US has permitted vicious black racism to flourish for 40 years as the price of not having to deal with more race riots of the 1960s variety. We’re going to get them again, though, because the human lice who have spent the last 40 years race-hustling a fat living out of scaring the white man and inculcating racism in their charges are beginning to sense that it’s not working as well as it used to.

    Let’s put it this way: the Jews had a good run after WWII. For a while after the revelations about the Hitler genocide it was uncool to be antisemitic, and Israel was a plucky little underdog. Then Israel won big in ’67 and the world got tired of feeling guilty about the Holocaust, and Jews were no longer cool—though a lot of Jews are still too stupid to see that our golden moment is long over.

    Similarly, the blacks had a good run in the late ’50s/early ’60s. There were real grievances there—and the nation did indeed engage in a huge act of conscience to correct some embedded evils. But we left the job half undone, and handed the black communities over to race pimps who’ve been whoring out their welfare dependents for their own personal privilege.

    Well, the black moment is over too. Obama is the end of it, especially since he sailed into office accompanied by the worst gang of graft hogs imaginable. The black moment in American politics is dead. The future belongs to the Hispanics and the Muslims.

    We know how the Muslims will work; they’ve stolen their playbook from the race pimps and the gay-activist “human rights” crowd. The big question for America’s future is, how will the Hispanics go? Will they come down for the most part on the side of conservatism, religion, and the family—on the side of free enterprise and individual initiative—or will they go the race-pimp route?


  141. RIX
    142 | April 6, 2012 4:02 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Similarly, the blacks had a good run in the late ’50s/early ’60s. There were real grievances there—and the nation did indeed engage in a huge act of conscience to correct some embedded evils. But we left the job half undone, and handed the black communities over to race pimps who’ve been whoring out their welfare dependents for their own personal privilege.

    Well, the black moment is over too. Obama is the end of it, especially since he sailed into office accompanied by the worst gang of graft hogs imaginable. The black moment in American politics is dead. The future belongs to the Hispanics and the Muslims

    We needed a racial correction, Blacks were treated as
    less than second class. But it has devolved into
    preferences & a whole race hustler industry.
    Race pimps have a vested interest in Blacks feeling
    abused & hopeless.
    Before Trevon the Duke Lacrosse team was convicted in the press.
    The truth is that Black on Black crime and Black on White
    crime is much more common than White on Black crime.


  142. 143 | April 6, 2012 4:04 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Last week would have been the 15th birthday Keli
    O’Laughlin.
    Five months ago she came home from school to her house
    in Indian Head Park outside Chicago.
    She surprised a burgelar when she went to her room.
    He stabbed her repeatedly killing her & left with
    jewelry & her cell phone.
    Here is the kicker, he used the phone to call & taunt
    the girls mother for a week until the police found him.
    The perp is Black, the victim was White.
    Where is the Treyvon level outrage?

    Alas, no outrage and that fact alone pretty much sends a message that says “black kills black or white=dog bites man, but white kills black=man bites dog” It’s just about as cynical and racist as you can get


  143. buzzsawmonkey
    144 | April 6, 2012 4:08 pm

    RIX wrote:

    We needed a racial correction, Blacks were treated as
    less than second class.

    Oh, agreed. And the way that the nation stepped up, for the most part, to engage in that correction is one of the glories of this country.

    But at that very moment of victory, the Islamists, Marxists, separatists, antisemites, and other assorted swine moved to wrest the movement from the Christian ministers who had for the most part created and run it, and took the movement from a legitimate demand for civil rights to a human rights movement—a “gimme” movement—based on preferences and set asides. And the black community has been wandering in that self-imposed exile for over 40 years, led by the Korachs, the Dathans and the Abirams such as Sharpton and Jackson and Van Jones.

    The thing is, the “black moment” has passed, just as the “Jewish moment” did. It’s over. Yeah, Sharpton and Jackson and Jones and the other gasbags will still create some ruckus, for a while—but the real momentum, politically speaking, is with the Hispanics in particular and the Muslims.


  144. RIX
    145 | April 6, 2012 4:18 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    But at that very moment of victory, the Islamists, Marxists, separatists, antisemites, and other assorted swine moved to wrest the movement from the Christian ministers who had for the most part created and run it, and took the movement from a legitimate demand for civil rights to a human rights movement—a “gimme” movement—based on preferences and set asides. And the black community has been wandering in that self-imposed exile for over 40 years, led by the Korachs, the Dathans and the Abirams such as Sharpton and Jackson and Van Jones

    .

    That’s the truth. White Guilt drove the Civil Rights
    Movement & Blacks got some justice.
    Now justice has nothing to do with it.
    Over fourty years of preferences & billions of dollars
    the situation is still dire.
    People who never owned a slave or held anybody back are
    expected to step aside & pay some debt.


  145. Moe Katz
    146 | April 6, 2012 4:36 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Why not? :)


  146. 147 | April 6, 2012 7:38 pm

    I guarantee you that just about all the jobs created were part-time jobs without any significant benefits.

    During slow times of the year, part-timers get almost no work hours.

    I’m having to take my vacation hours now because I only have one shift scheduled next week. But then, it’s Holy Week for Orthodox Christians, and I told them I needed Friday, Saturday, and Sunday off. Unless you’re available 24x7, you might not get any hours. I work in an office supplies store and the good times of year are back-to-school, Christmas, and tax season (Jan-March). April and May are extremely slow.


  147. 148 | April 6, 2012 7:41 pm

    @ RIX:
    I’m white but I’m not guilty for anything.

    My grandparents came to the US in the 20th century and in no way profited from the subjugation of any other race. They worked in factories and mines under very difficult conditions.

    I’m a Serbian-American (and I don’t care what mtc thinks of that). Our people were enslaved under the Turkish yoke for twice as long as Africans were enslaved on this side of the pond. We are not asking reparations from anyone. We just want to be let alone to practice Orthodox Christianity without interference.


  148. mfhorn
    149 | April 6, 2012 11:06 pm

    @ lobo91:

    If the ‘women are paid 77% of what men are for doing the same job’ was true, they why aren’t businesses hiring nothing but women so they’d have higher profit margins?


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