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This is not the first time that NBC has made an ‘editing’ mistake

by Speranza ( 118 Comments › )
Filed under Media at April 10th, 2012 - 7:05 am

Given the fact that NBC is involved with the joke of a cable TV network MSNBC  (a network that would make Pyongyang TV seem reasonable), I cannot help but think that the Zimmerman “edit” was on purpose.

by Kerry Picket

NBC announced on Friday that the “seasoned” producer who edited sound of the 911 call between George Zimmerman and a 911 dispatcher was fired. The producer, who remains nameless, edited a video segment, which included the 911 call before Zimmerman shot and killed 17 year-old Trayvon Martin on February 26. Zimmerman claimed self-defense.

However, the broadcasted 911 call is edited to make Zimmerman sound as if he is a racist. NBC’s Today show first broadcasted the edited version of the 911 call with the package suggesting that Zimmerman volunteered Martin’s race. “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”

However, the portion of the tape that was deleted was the dispatcher’s question to Zimmerman about Martin’s race. The dispatcher asked Zimmerman if Martin was “black, white or Hispanic,” and Zimmerman responded, “He looks black.”

According to the New York Times:

NBC News has fired a producer who was involved in the production of a misleading segment about the Trayvon Martin case in Florida. The person was fired on Thursday, according to two people with direct knowledge of the disciplinary action who declined to be identified discussing internal company matters. They also declined to name the fired producer. A spokeswoman for NBC News declined to comment. The action came in the wake of an internal investigation by NBC News into the production of the segment, which strung together audio clips in such a way that made George Zimmerman’s shooting of Mr. Martin sound racially motivated… On April 4, the network news division said in a statement that it deeply regretted the “error made in the production process.” “We will be taking the necessary steps to prevent this from happening in the future and apologize to our viewers,” the network said. It did not specify what steps it would take. But one day later it dismissed a Miami-based producer who had worked at NBC for several years. The people with direct knowledge of the firing characterized the misleading edit as a mistake, not a purposeful act.

Unfortunately, this is not the first time an edit or circumstance like this occurred at one of the NBC networks.

The Water Cooler blog reported In 2009, MSNBC’s Chris Matthews stated that the 911 caller who reported Harvard law professor and Obama friend Henry Gates to the police to be a racial profiler. This charge from Mr. Matthews turned out to be untrue. In fact, the 911 caller, Lucia Whalen, later described the racist accusations she received over Dr. Gates’s arrest. Mr. Matthews’s broadcast was likely no help to her circumstances at the time.

In 2009, MSNBC’s Contessa Brewer criticized an Arizona tea party protester who was legally open carrying a firearm in his holster.

“A man at a pro-health care reform rally…wore a semiautomatic assault rifle on his shoulder and a pistol on his hip….there are questions about whether this has racial overtones….white people showing up with guns.”

However, the video failed to show that the individual with the holstered firearms was black tea party protester.

Another egregious MSNBC “mistake” happened during a live 2002 broadcast. Conservative black activist and national spokesman for the Congress of Racial Equality Niger Innis appeared for an interview on the network. The lower third graphic had his name was misspelled with two “g’s” instead of one.

The on-air racial gaffe resulted in an apology from the MSNBC host (who is now with Fox News) an hour later and a statement from MSNBC spokesman Mark O’Connor:

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118 Responses to “This is not the first time that NBC has made an ‘editing’ mistake”
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  1. 1 | April 10, 2012 8:57 am

    There is no doubt in my mind that it was deliberate. I also suspect that the producer who was “fired” will be re-hired after this has had a little time to settle down. That is why they are refsing to release his or her name. That way no one can notice when they are re-hired. Yeah, I think NBC is that slimey.


  2. Bumr50
    2 | April 10, 2012 9:09 am

    The NYT did the same thing TWICE in print, one AFTER Edit-gate was exposed for what it was.

    Solidarity.*spit*


  3. spinmore
    3 | April 10, 2012 9:11 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Let’s think about this for a second.

    A “news” producer whom edits a destructive distorted story and NOW is anonymous?? Say What!!! BULLSHIT!!!!

    the public needs to BECOME outraged over this MSM bullshit.
    The person must be exposed *period*


  4. Bumr50
    4 | April 10, 2012 9:12 am

    @ spinmore:

    Brian Williams, perhaps?


  5. spinmore
    5 | April 10, 2012 9:13 am

    @ Bumr50:
    The ‘actor’ in bad faith is now PART of the story

    PART OF THE STORY (get it)!!!!


  6. spinmore
    6 | April 10, 2012 9:14 am

    @ spinmore:
    :D i’m yelling -- but not at you :D


  7. spinmore
    7 | April 10, 2012 9:15 am

    @ spinmore:
    #6 was meant for you :)


  8. Bumr50
    8 | April 10, 2012 9:16 am

    @ spinmore:

    Not only do I think that whoever got “fired” had nothing to do with this clip, I’m not even sure anyone got “fired.”


  9. spinmore
    9 | April 10, 2012 9:16 am

    @ Bumr50:

    . . . for you :) man i’m dangerous with a keyboard


  10. Bumr50
    10 | April 10, 2012 9:17 am

    @ spinmore:

    It’s OK.

    Deep breaths.

    8)

    ///


  11. spinmore
    11 | April 10, 2012 9:18 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ spinmore:

    Not only do I think that whoever got “fired” had nothing to do with this clip, I’m not even sure anyone got “fired.”

    that’s exactly why they can’t get away with this shit
    (. . . feel a little better)


  12. citizen_q
    12 | April 10, 2012 9:18 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    I don’t trust a one mass media outlet.

    Maybe I am just achieving grouchy old guy status, but I follow many issues from multiple disparate sources and from opinions based from a broad base. When I see these same issues reported in the MFM, I am appalled by the coverage. Bias is obvious in as much as what is left out as in what aspects of a story are covered. I am often disappointed even by Fox by the questions asked in following a particular story.

    Furthermore, I am irritated beyond measure when a big story does hit and all the media outlets cover the story 24/7 to the exclusion of all else, as if the world has stopped. Adding insult to injury the cover is often redundant offering nothing new and covering assinine aspects of the story just to fill air-time. It’s like the writers and producers throw a party in that they don’t have to come up with other content to fill air time and can take a break.


  13. Bumr50
    13 | April 10, 2012 9:20 am

    NB Publisher Bozell Calls on Congress to Investigate Comcast and NBC

    Bozell can be a condescending, sanctimonious ass at times, but he’s got a little pull.

    If they can investigate NFL bounties and sports-related concussions, why not?


  14. citizen_q
    14 | April 10, 2012 9:21 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ spinmore:
    Not only do I think that whoever got “fired” had nothing to do with this clip, I’m not even sure anyone got “fired.”

    If they are low enough to creatively edit a source to invent a narrative to fit their bias, why wouldn’t they fire a mythical employee for make believe damage control.


  15. 15 | April 10, 2012 9:26 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Especially when they are keeping the name of said employee out of the news. What about said employee’s race? No one has raised the possibility of racism in this mis-editing, but I think that question needs to be asked now. There is no way this was accidental. One has to ask just what biases led to this, and what they thought to accomplish with it.


  16. spinmore
    16 | April 10, 2012 9:26 am

    @ citizen_q:

    . . . shouldn’t the FCC investigate this????

    the ‘journalism’ crowd always claim special privelage, until they’re caught lying

    i guess ‘the underlying story is still true’ ///


  17. spinmore
    17 | April 10, 2012 9:29 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    NB Publisher Bozell Calls on Congress to Investigate Comcast and NBC

    Bozell can be a condescending, sanctimonious ass at times, but he’s got a little pull.

    If they can investigate NFL bounties and sports-related concussions, why not?

    . . . I’m on board with that. may actually contact a U.S. rep


  18. Bumr50
    18 | April 10, 2012 9:31 am

    @ spinmore:

    “The narrative was right, but the facts were wrong.”

    Evan Thomas.


  19. Bumr50
    19 | April 10, 2012 9:32 am

    @ spinmore:

    I will as well.

    I’ll call Senator Toomey’s office, and fire out a “strongly worded letter.”


  20. citizen_q
    20 | April 10, 2012 9:38 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    No on ehas raised the possibility of racism in this mis-editing, but I think that question needs to be asked now.

    good point.

    Similar to their relying on paleosimians exclusively for reporting on Israel.


  21. 21 | April 10, 2012 9:40 am

    As egregious as media conduct is, I’m very squeamish about Congressional investigations thereof. Government oversight of the media? No thanks. This sets a precedent that’s scay as hell.

    I do, however, think Zimmerman has a defamation case against NBC.


  22. spinmore
    22 | April 10, 2012 9:41 am

    @ Bumr50:
    ya know -- think about it . . .

    if the “edit” were a ‘mistake’ Why did it have to be exposed??

    If you screwed-up ‘the edit’ wouldn’t YOU the editor be the first to realize your own mis-characterization of the facts (as found on the 911 recording)? Wouldn’t you say -- hey wait a second folks.
    Or let it go and wait for the streets to burn?? Seems like this needs to be stopped now and exposed for what it is.


  23. spinmore
    23 | April 10, 2012 9:42 am

    @ MacDuff:

    how about inciting a riot or some such charge???


  24. 24 | April 10, 2012 9:45 am

    spinmore wrote:

    i guess ‘the underlying story is still true’ ///

    They always have been big believers in the meme of “fake, but accurate”.


  25. 25 | April 10, 2012 9:47 am

    @ MacDuff:

    I do, however, think Zimmerman has a defamation case against NBC.

    Agreed, he really should take legal action.


  26. lobo91
    26 | April 10, 2012 9:49 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Furthermore, I am irritated beyond measure when a big story does hit and all the media outlets cover the story 24/7 to the exclusion of all else, as if the world has stopped.

    The Chilean miner story from awhile back comes to mind.


  27. spinmore
    27 | April 10, 2012 9:49 am

    @ PaladinPhil:

    a number of years back, someone said that as the LambStream losses thier monopoly (more each year) they would not moderate but rather get more crazy and less inhibited. They were right


  28. spinmore
    28 | April 10, 2012 9:50 am

    @ spinmore:

    LameStream (not Lamb Stream) haha


  29. 29 | April 10, 2012 9:51 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Similar to their relying on paleosimians exclusively for reporting on Israel.

    Yup!


  30. 30 | April 10, 2012 9:52 am

    spinmore wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    how about inciting a riot or some such charge???

    I’m no lawyer, but I think we already have laws on the books to handle such instances. We have a pretty free-wheeling view of the First Ammendment and the Left has already tried to limit that with “The Fairness Doctrine”. I really think this medicine is worse than the disease.


  31. Bumr50
    31 | April 10, 2012 9:52 am

    spinmore wrote:

    Lamb Stream


  32. spinmore
    32 | April 10, 2012 9:53 am

    @ lobo91:

    Or how about the never ending story of the Titanic?

    . . . is it me? Or -- Who gives a flyin F’k

    When will it ever end? my god


  33. Bumr50
    33 | April 10, 2012 9:55 am

    @ spinmore:

    LOL!

    My wife eats it up.

    Just yesterday I had to watch some idiots with a full scale simulator “re-create” the events…

    The effing boat sinks. Every. Damn. Time.


  34. citizen_q
    34 | April 10, 2012 9:57 am

    spinmore wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    how about inciting a riot or some such charge???

    Or putting a bounty on their heads? /

    In a similar vein

    April 10, 2012
    Zimmerman family challenges Holder on New Black Panthers, says no arrests ‘based solely on your race’

    In a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, obtained exclusively by The Daily Caller, a family member of George Zimmerman asked the nation’s top law enforcement officer why he has chosen to not arrest members of the New Black Panther Party for their rhetoric — some of which may fit the federal government’s definition of a hate crime — throughout the Trayvon Martin case.

    The family member believes the reason Holder hasn’t made those arrests is because he, like the members of the New Black Panther Party, is black.

    “I am writing you to ask you why, when the law of the land is crystal clear, is your office not arresting the New Black Panthers for hate crimes?” the family member wrote to Holder.

    “The Zimmerman family is in hiding because of the threats that have been made against us, yet the DOJ has maintained an eerie silence on this matter. These threats are very public. If you haven’t been paying attention just do a Google search and you will find plenty. Since when can a group of people in the United States put a bounty on someone’s head, circulate Wanted posters publicly, and still be walking the streets?”


  35. spinmore
    35 | April 10, 2012 9:58 am

    @ Bumr50:

    :D it’s like Chinese water torture to me

    Kind of like every six months when NBC obsesses on the Royals
    *barf*
    enough to drive you to drink


  36. 36 | April 10, 2012 9:59 am

    We have to understand that any sword we craft to battle the liberal media will be double-edged and will most certainly be wielded against the conservative media.

    The First Ammendment is is the the most sacred of all of our rights and it’s the one that most effectively limits government power over the people. Let’s not f**k with it.


  37. lobo91
    37 | April 10, 2012 9:59 am

    spinmore wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Or how about the never ending story of the Titanic?

    . . . is it me? Or – Who gives a flyin F’k

    When will it ever end? my god

    MSN has a story up right now about famous cruise ship disasters in honor of the 100th anniversary of the Titanic sinking.

    I wonder if anyone who works there realizes that the Titanic wasn’t a cruise ship (or would even know the difference)?


  38. 38 | April 10, 2012 10:00 am

    Fifth Column Treasonous Media… As I have said over and over again, my calling them this isn’t just hyperbolic rhetoric. Today it is NBC getting caught, but NBC is not even remotely close to being alone or isolated in these practices. This is not an exception to the rule, it is the rule and has been since even before Walter Cronkite made the claim that the Tet Offensive was a massive defeat for the US Military.


  39. citizen_q
    39 | April 10, 2012 10:00 am

    @ Bumr50:
    Could be worse, you could have to attend a titanic themed party. I do.


  40. Bumr50
    40 | April 10, 2012 10:01 am

    @ spinmore:

    I DID learn yesterday, however, that the captain was WAY past his prime, having rammed several ships into their docks previously.

    He got away with them based solely on previous reputation.


  41. lobo91
    41 | April 10, 2012 10:01 am

    @ MacDuff:

    As egregious as media conduct is, I’m very squeamish about Congressional investigations thereof. Government oversight of the media? No thanks. This sets a precedent that’s scay as hell.

    I agree 100%.


  42. Bumr50
    42 | April 10, 2012 10:02 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Rent and wear a Star Trek outfit.


  43. 43 | April 10, 2012 10:03 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    I wonder if anyone who works there realizes that the Titanic wasn’t a cruise ship (or would even know the difference)?

    I’m sure they do, but since there aren’t any more Ocean Liners, how are they going to continue to feed off the Titanic story if they don’t take certain artistic liberties with the facts?


  44. spinmore
    44 | April 10, 2012 10:05 am

    @ Bumr50:

    I hope you get ‘that question’ on Jeopardy someday (lol)

    then it’ll all be worth it :)


  45. spinmore
    45 | April 10, 2012 10:06 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    Could be worse, you could have to attend a titanic themed party. I do.

    now that’s funny (LMAO)


  46. citizen_q
    46 | April 10, 2012 10:06 am

    @ Bumr50:
    I was thinking maybe a shark fin.


  47. citizen_q
    47 | April 10, 2012 10:07 am

    spinmore wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    Could be worse, you could have to attend a titanic themed party. I do.

    now that’s funny (LMAO)

    Father Timothy warned me that marriage was not all fun and games.


  48. 48 | April 10, 2012 10:07 am

    @ MacDuff:
    @ lobo91:

    Agree 200%


  49. Bob in Breckenridge
    49 | April 10, 2012 10:09 am

    spinmore wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    it’s like Chinese water torture to me
    Kind of like every six months when NBC obsesses on the Royals
    *barf*
    enough to drive you to drink

    I agree. Kansas City sucks year after year. :)


  50. 50 | April 10, 2012 10:10 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    As egregious as media conduct is, I’m very squeamish about Congressional investigations thereof. Government oversight of the media? No thanks. This sets a precedent that’s scay as hell.
    I agree 100%.

    What are you guys talking about? We already have the worst possible outcome of the Government oversight you worry about. A Media that outright lies in support of the perceived majority party, is 100 percent in the tank for the Marxist-in-Chief, engages in Marxist propaganda and social engineering. How could it possible get any worse?


  51. spinmore
    51 | April 10, 2012 10:11 am

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    *rim-shot* ba-dump-bump!


  52. Bob in Breckenridge
    52 | April 10, 2012 10:12 am

    Can someone tell me why the f**k that douchebag Shepard Smith s still on FNC?


  53. lobo91
    53 | April 10, 2012 10:12 am

    @ doriangrey:

    How could it possible get any worse?

    I’d rather not find out…


  54. Bob in Breckenridge
    54 | April 10, 2012 10:13 am

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    Can someone tell me why the f**k that douchebag Shepard Smith is still on FNC?


  55. 55 | April 10, 2012 10:14 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    How could it possible get any worse?
    I’d rather not find out…

    You know it can’t get any worse when even Pravda can’t believe the lies the Fifth Column Treasonous Media spouts.


  56. lobo91
    56 | April 10, 2012 10:14 am

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    Can someone tell me why the f**k that douchebag Shepard Smith s still on FNC?

    Someone apparently likes him. He makes something like $8 million a year.


  57. 57 | April 10, 2012 10:15 am

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:
    Can someone tell me why the f**k that douchebag Shepard Smith is still on FNC?

    Ummm, representing America’s Homosexual minority via affirmative action? :shock:


  58. 58 | April 10, 2012 10:16 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:
    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:
    Can someone tell me why the f**k that douchebag Shepard Smith is still on FNC?

    Ummm, representing America’s Homosexual minority via affirmative action?

    Opp’s… I’m probably headed to a Reeducation camp for that one huh… :oops:


  59. spinmore
    59 | April 10, 2012 10:17 am

    @ doriangrey:

    :8 the ‘eye-popper’ cracks me up everytime


  60. spinmore
    60 | April 10, 2012 10:17 am

    @ spinmore:

    guess i forgot what i was taught :(


  61. Bumr50
    61 | April 10, 2012 10:20 am

    I wonder if this guy could sue NBC?

    (Gainesville Sun) — Gainesville police are investigating the beating of a 27-year-old man that they believe to have been “racially motivated”.

    The man was walking home from midtown bars in Gainesville Tuesday morning when he said he was jumped by five to eight men who yelled “Trayvon” before the attack.

    The shouting sounds to be a reference to Trayvon Martin, the 17-year-old Miami native who was shot and killed in February in Sanford while walking back to his father’s girlfriend’s house. George Zimmerman, the man who shot Martin, has not been charged.


  62. Bumr50
    62 | April 10, 2012 10:20 am

    @ lobo91:

    I thought Ole Miss paid him….


  63. 63 | April 10, 2012 10:21 am

    spinmore wrote:

    @ spinmore:
    guess i forgot what i was taught

    ROTFLMAO… forgetting what one was once taught… Some people wonder why I refuse to admit which band I played for back in the 80′s. Watch this video, the older I get, the more I recognize how insanely stupid and embarrassing those video’s were. Nope… I am never going to admit to having ever been that young or stupid…


  64. 64 | April 10, 2012 10:22 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    I wonder if anyone who works there realizes that the Titanic wasn’t a cruise ship (or would even know the difference)?
    I’m sure they do, but since there aren’t any more Ocean Liners, how are they going to continue to feed off the Titanic story if they don’t take certain artistic liberties with the facts?

    I’d say the QE II fits the basic description of an ocean liner in terms of it’s passages.


  65. Bumr50
    65 | April 10, 2012 10:23 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Opp’s… I’m probably headed to a Reeducation camp for that one huh… :oops:

    I’ll be the one sneaking a smoke behind the “Community Pavilion”…


  66. mawskrat
    66 | April 10, 2012 10:24 am

    spinmore wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    Could be worse, you could have to attend a titanic themed party. I do.

    dress as an iceberg…and make sure all your
    drinks are over ice
    now that’s funny (LMAO)


  67. mawskrat
    67 | April 10, 2012 10:26 am

    @ doriangrey:

    sounds like a challenge>LOL


  68. Bumr50
    68 | April 10, 2012 10:30 am

    Stop the presses!!

    WE’RE SAVED!!

    UN Human Rights Chief Calls For Trayvon Investigation

    ///////////////////////


  69. 69 | April 10, 2012 10:31 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    I wonder if anyone who works there realizes that the Titanic wasn’t a cruise ship (or would even know the difference)?
    I’m sure they do, but since there aren’t any more Ocean Liners, how are they going to continue to feed off the Titanic story if they don’t take certain artistic liberties with the facts?
    I’d say the QE II fits the basic description of an ocean liner in terms of it’s passages.

    The QE II retired from service in 2008. The era of the Ocean Liner has past, the few that still survive exist out of a sense of nostalgia and little more, they have in fact become nothing more than ultra expensive cruise ships.


  70. 70 | April 10, 2012 10:33 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Opp’s… I’m probably headed to a Reeducation camp for that one huh…
    I’ll be the one sneaking a smoke behind the “Community Pavilion”…

    You, me and a few others, who probably are smart enough to not admit in public that they still smoke… :oops:


  71. Bob in Breckenridge
    71 | April 10, 2012 10:38 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Stop the presses!!
    WE’RE SAVED!!
    UN Human Rights Chief Calls For Trayvon Investigation
    ///////////////////////

    Did you look at that Uckin’ fugly “woman”???


  72. Speranza
    72 | April 10, 2012 10:41 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I also suspect that the producer who was “fired” will be re-hired after this has had a little time to settle down.

    He will probably make a lateral move into another job at NBC.


  73. Speranza
    73 | April 10, 2012 10:42 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Bozell can be a condescending, sanctimonious ass at times, but he’s got a little pull.

    He ain’t got nothing on Bill O’Reilly.


  74. Speranza
    74 | April 10, 2012 10:43 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    As egregious as media conduct is, I’m very squeamish about Congressional investigations thereof. Government oversight of the media? No thanks. This sets a precedent that’s scay as hell.

    I do, however, think Zimmerman has a defamation case against NBC.

    Yes and yes on both paragraphs.


  75. Speranza
    75 | April 10, 2012 10:45 am

    spinmore wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Or how about the never ending story of the Titanic?
    . . . is it me? Or – Who gives a flyin F’k
    When will it ever end? my god

    God I am so sick of the fascination with the Titanic!


  76. Speranza
    76 | April 10, 2012 10:47 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Walter Cronkite made the claim that the Tet Offensive was a massive defeat for the US Military.

    The Tet Offensive actually was a massive American military victory. It pretty much destroyed the Viet Cong as a fighting force.


  77. Speranza
    77 | April 10, 2012 10:48 am

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    Can someone tell me why the f**k that douchebag Shepard Smith s still on FNC?

    That is a question I have been pondering ever since 2005 and his awful coverage of Hurricane Katrina.


  78. spinmore
    78 | April 10, 2012 10:49 am

    Speranza wrote:

    spinmore wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Or how about the never ending story of the Titanic?
    . . . is it me? Or – Who gives a flyin F’k
    When will it ever end? my god

    God I am so sick of the fascination with the Titanic!

    i’m wit ya -- we should start a club (lol)


  79. Bumr50
    79 | April 10, 2012 10:51 am

    @ Speranza:

    I blame James Cameron.


  80. waldensianspirit
    80 | April 10, 2012 10:51 am

    I think they had a typo. Should say ‘was promoted’ instead of ‘was fired’


  81. 81 | April 10, 2012 10:53 am

    Speranza wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Walter Cronkite made the claim that the Tet Offensive was a massive defeat for the US Military.
    The Tet Offensive actually was a massive American military victory. It pretty much destroyed the Viet Cong as a fighting force.

    Yes it was, and right up until Walter Cronkite claimed otherwise the Vietcong were negotiating their surrender. Walter Cronkite’s actions defined the Treasonous Nature of the Fifth Column Treasonous Media.


  82. 82 | April 10, 2012 10:57 am

    @ Speranza:

    They will move him to MSNBC, watch.


  83. waldensianspirit
    83 | April 10, 2012 11:00 am

    “I wish they weren’t called the Bush tax cuts. If they were called someone else’s tax cuts, they’d be less likely to be raised,” he said in introductory remarks at a conference at the Bush Presidential Center, which he opened after leaving office.


  84. 84 | April 10, 2012 11:00 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ spinmore:
    LOL!
    My wife eats it up.
    Just yesterday I had to watch some idiots with a full scale simulator “re-create” the events…
    The effing boat sinks. Every. Damn. Time.

    Yup.

    I hate seeing it over and over.


  85. 85 | April 10, 2012 11:02 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    I wonder if anyone who works there realizes that the Titanic wasn’t a cruise ship (or would even know the difference)?
    I’m sure they do, but since there aren’t any more Ocean Liners, how are they going to continue to feed off the Titanic story if they don’t take certain artistic liberties with the facts?
    I’d say the QE II fits the basic description of an ocean liner in terms of it’s passages.
    The QE II retired from service in 2008. The era of the Ocean Liner has past, the few that still survive exist out of a sense of nostalgia and little more, they have in fact become nothing more than ultra expensive cruise ships.

    My bad. Queen Mary II. Still books passages from A to B, one way. Only for the well-off who want to say they’ve done it, of course, but still to my mind fufilling the basic requirement. As opposed to a cruise that usually starts and ends in the same port.


  86. Speranza
    86 | April 10, 2012 11:03 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    They will move him to MSNBC, watch.

    Exactly. They don’t like to dump one of their own unless it is Olbermann.


  87. Speranza
    87 | April 10, 2012 11:04 am

    @ waldensianspirit:
    They are not the Bush tax cuts -- they are the Bush tax rates.


  88. Speranza
    88 | April 10, 2012 11:06 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I blame James Cameron.

    I blame George W. Bush and Halliburton.


  89. Speranza
    89 | April 10, 2012 11:07 am

    Speranza wrote:

    The Tet Offensive actually was a massive American military victory. It pretty much destroyed the Viet Cong as a fighting force.

    From that moment on, the North Vietnamese Army did the bulk of the fighting.


  90. RIX
    90 | April 10, 2012 11:07 am

    @ Speranza:

    The Tet Offensive actually was a massive American military victory. It pretty much destroyed the Viet Cong as a fighting force.

    That’s exactly right. In Hue Phu Bai a single Marine
    batallion dispatched a much larger enemy force,
    that had the advantage of cover.
    General Giap, the NVA commander addressed it in his memoirs.
    He said that after their disastorous Tet Offensive, they were
    prepared to sue for peace. But the US Media reporting it
    as a U.S defeat, effecting public opinion gave them a morale
    boost.
    Cronkite knowingly lied.


  91. 91 | April 10, 2012 11:08 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ spinmore:
    LOL!
    My wife eats it up.
    Just yesterday I had to watch some idiots with a full scale simulator “re-create” the events…
    The effing boat sinks. Every. Damn. Time.

    ROTFLMAO… reminds me of that joke, “Dude walks into a bar and sits down, an attractive liberal Blond woman walks up and sits down beside him. they are watching the news and chatting when a breaking news story come on, there is a man on a ledge of a building threatening to jump. The woman says, oh man I hope he doesn’t jump, the man says, bet you five dollars he does, the woman takes his bet, a few minuets later the man jumps, and the woman passes the man a five, the man says, honestly I can’t take this and passes the five back, I saw this story at 5pm. The woman passes the five back to him again and say… so did I, I just didn’t think he would jump a second time… The man then takes her Five dollars..”


  92. Speranza
    92 | April 10, 2012 11:08 am

    1389AD wrote:

    Yup.

    I hate seeing it over and over.

    I saw it once and the best I could say was that it did not suck as much as I thought it would. There was zero chemistry between Leonardo Di Caprio and Kate Winslet.


  93. waldensianspirit
    93 | April 10, 2012 11:11 am

    1389AD wrote:

    I hate seeing it over and over.

    Yet it is useful to point young people who are into the Titanic story toward more history


  94. Speranza
    94 | April 10, 2012 11:13 am

    @ waldensianspirit:
    I always felt that the Lusitania Story (sunk by a German U-boat) three years later to be more compelling.


  95. 95 | April 10, 2012 11:18 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Mike C. wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    I wonder if anyone who works there realizes that the Titanic wasn’t a cruise ship (or would even know the difference)?
    I’m sure they do, but since there aren’t any more Ocean Liners, how are they going to continue to feed off the Titanic story if they don’t take certain artistic liberties with the facts?
    I’d say the QE II fits the basic description of an ocean liner in terms of it’s passages.
    The QE II retired from service in 2008. The era of the Ocean Liner has past, the few that still survive exist out of a sense of nostalgia and little more, they have in fact become nothing more than ultra expensive cruise ships.
    My bad. Queen Mary II. Still books passages from A to B, one way. Only for the well-off who want to say they’ve done it, of course, but still to my mind fufilling the basic requirement. As opposed to a cruise that usually starts and ends in the same port.

    Except that QM II is technically classified as a Luxury Cruise Ship. Conard is still operating three ship that they classify as Luxury Cruise Ship, QE II, QM II and the Queen Victoria. Personally I think it is sad that the era of Ocean Liners has passed and that Cruise Ships have taken their place, but then I’m a bit of a Luddite in some respects, I also lament that there are no longer any Zeppelins roaming the skies and that the days of the Pullman Train Cars have past into history as well.

    What those things represented was more than garish opulence, they represented a pride in quality and service that is disappearing from our world. Replaced instead by a standard of mediocrity where only the most basic of quality or service has become the accepted standard.


  96. 96 | April 10, 2012 11:18 am

    The Titanic was one of those stories that, had it not happened, you would have had to make it up. An “unsinkable” ship going down on he maiden voyage, the extraordinary number of deaths, the fact that the list of the dead was a veritable Who’s Who who of the Gilded Age, the stories of stoic heroism as well as cowardice, all made it the quintessential tale of man confronting disaster.

    Hell, the story’s almost as big as James Cameron’s ego.

    Alas, all great stories can be beat to death and 100 years after, maybe we can stop telling it ad nauseum.


  97. Bumr50
    97 | April 10, 2012 11:18 am

    @ Speranza:

    This is a pretty good, factual tale.


  98. 98 | April 10, 2012 11:22 am

    @ Speranza:

    Everyone hates Olbermann!


  99. 99 | April 10, 2012 11:23 am

    @ RIX:

    Tet was one of the US Military’s most decisive victories.


  100. RIX
    100 | April 10, 2012 11:27 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Tet was one of the US Military’s most decisive victories.

    It was, a much smaller force of Marines defeated an enemy
    with overwhelming numbers.


  101. lobo91
    101 | April 10, 2012 11:27 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    Everyone hates Olbermann!

    Sounds like a new sitcom…


  102. 102 | April 10, 2012 11:31 am

    RIX wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ RIX:
    Tet was one of the US Military’s most decisive victories.

    It was, a much smaller force of Marines defeated an enemy
    with overwhelming numbers.

    And yet, Uncle Joesph Walter and his Marxist comrades, managed to snatch defeat out of the jaws of overwhelming Victory. It was a feat of propaganda that would have turned Joesph Goebbels green with envy.


  103. Speranza
    103 | April 10, 2012 11:31 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Everyone hates Olbermann!

    That’s because it is so easy to hate him.


  104. RIX
    104 | April 10, 2012 11:31 am

    @ MacDuff:
    I made an important discovery watching Titanic.
    Drinking a giant Diet Coke watching all of that
    water is not a good idea.
    I had to make a dash for the washroom & got lucky,
    I did not miss the iceberg scene.


  105. Speranza
    105 | April 10, 2012 11:32 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    This is a pretty good, factual tale.

    I heard of Dr. Crippen.


  106. 106 | April 10, 2012 11:46 am

    @ lobo91:

    That would be a funny sitcom.


  107. 107 | April 10, 2012 11:50 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    That would be a funny sitcom.

    But who would watch it?


  108. 108 | April 10, 2012 11:53 am

    One good result of that last movie about the Titanic is that it made the band Gaelic Storm. If you saw that movie, you’ve heard them.


  109. BuddyG
    109 | April 10, 2012 11:57 am

    @ RIX:

    Long time ago there was this bar I went to that threw out ice in the men’s room urinals. Not sure why, but I suppose it’s as good a place as any to discard old/unwanted ice. I used to pee on it and try to melt at least one cube completely in half. Improvised ice berg scene.


  110. RIX
    110 | April 10, 2012 12:00 pm

    BuddyG wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Long time ago there was this bar I went to that threw out ice in the men’s room urinals. Not sure why, but I suppose it’s as good a place as any to discard old/unwanted ice. I used to pee on it and try to melt at least one cube completely in half. Improvised ice berg scene.

    I have done the same thing. One tends to get creative with
    urinal ice while drinking.


  111. 111 | April 10, 2012 12:02 pm

    RIX wrote:

    BuddyG wrote:
    @ RIX:
    Long time ago there was this bar I went to that threw out ice in the men’s room urinals. Not sure why, but I suppose it’s as good a place as any to discard old/unwanted ice. I used to pee on it and try to melt at least one cube completely in half. Improvised ice berg scene.

    I have done the same thing. One tends to get creative with
    urinal ice while drinking.

    Somewhere in these confessions is no doubt the origins of the saying… boys will be boys… :lol:


  112. 112 | April 10, 2012 12:04 pm

    New Thread.


  113. RIX
    113 | April 10, 2012 12:07 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    And yet, Uncle Joesph Walter and his Marxist comrades, managed to snatch defeat out of the jaws of overwhelming Victory. It was a feat of propaganda that would have turned Joesph Goebbels green with envy

    .

    That is exactly right. By any objective measure it was
    a significant US victory.
    That fraud Cronkite wanted to turn it upside down & did.
    The irony for the anti-war Cronkite is that his dishonesty
    prolonged the war.


  114. RIX
    114 | April 10, 2012 12:09 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Somewhere in these confessions is no doubt the origins of the saying… boys will be boys

    We successfuly avoid maturity even while aging.
    It is one of lifes mysteries.


  115. 115 | April 10, 2012 12:13 pm

    RIX wrote:

    The irony for the anti-war Cronkite is that his dishonesty
    prolonged the war.

    He wasn’t anti-war. He was on the other side. He wanted his side to win. Which is where Obama is in Afghanistan when he says he doesn’t want us to win.


  116. Speranza
    116 | April 10, 2012 12:23 pm

    I find the term anti-war when dealing with the Left to be a misnomer. They support wars against the West and Israel and are against wars where their side (the Communists or Arabs) are getting beaten.


  117. Speranza
    117 | April 10, 2012 12:25 pm

    The Left supported the Nazis when Hitler attacked Poland, France, Belgium, Holland, Norway, Greece and Yugoslavia. They turned against him when he attacked the USSR on June 22, 1941.


  118. darkwords
    118 | April 10, 2012 1:48 pm

    It’s not a mistake. It’s trying to frame the narrative from an institutional standpoint. The little guy can never get the narrative backed out after that. That is why zimmerman needs to sue for $$$ millions and make the media front page their apologies for a month. Every day.


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