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Beating Your Head Against The Liberal Wall

by Flyovercountry ( 151 Comments › )
Filed under Politics at April 17th, 2012 - 2:00 pm

Political Cartoons by Michael Ramirez

Part of the frustration we conservatives feel, is simply the refusal of the political left to debate within the confines of what actual reality would dictate to be the starting point for any discussion in the arena of ideas. The spin of events as a regular interpretation to fit a narrative before any substantive discussion takes place has become so regular an occurrence, that whenever anybody questions the given premise, watching liberals try to comprehend the objection is a little like watching the science fiction cult classic, “Scanners.” In that movie, a psychic killer would strike, and we were treated to 15 or so seconds of film time devoted to people’s heads vibrating with a glazed look in their eyes until their heads literally just exploded. We,ll of course have to review some examples.

The President has been traveling the country lately, drumming up popular support for his Buffett Rule, which as it turns out is nothing more than a proposed increase in the Capital Gains Rate. During his latest attempt to legislate, “fairness,” otherwise known by sane people as class envy, he claims that this is his attempt to solve our deficit spending problem. The media’s part of the spin, not one person associated with the major media openly laughed at our President when he made this statement. Let’s be honest with one another, that statement not only deserves derision, but outright open guffaws. According to the CBO, using the laughably inaccurate baseline budgeting technique, estimates that the Buffett Rule would increase our revenues by $3 Billion per year. Baseline budgeting of course, as we’ve discussed before, is a purposefully dishonest accounting trick which by law, forces things which have been proven to create a decrease in revenue to be viewed as an increase, and vice versa. In this instance, it assumes that the Warren Buffetts of the world will not take steps to shelter their wealth from taxation by placing their investments over seas, as they have every other time we’ve penalized their capital gains. Assuming however that we did actually increase the federal revenues by $3 Billion rather than what historically has always been the result of such measures, how much deficit reduction would this rule actually accomplish. Well, as luck would have it, a simple amount of 3rd grade level math can answer this question for us. Our deficit currently is $1.6 Trillion per year. We’ll round down to 1.5, just to make it easy. A Trillion is exactly 1000 time a Billion. So, the $3 Billion would be able to cover the $1.5 Trillion in 500 years, assuming no interest, inflation, future deficits, book keeping errors, or future total collapses of our entire economy as predicted by the CBO in 2027. That entire discussion takes place even before we consider the already in place whopping debt of $15 Trillion and change. With all of this, not a single main stream media source has ever questioned their masters about the math, spending as a part of the problem, introducing more and even more expensive entitlements to the legally obligated portion of our non existent budget, which by the way, has not been passed since the Democrats took control of the House in 2007.

Another example happened during the Obamacare debate. When asked by a conservative blogger about where in the Constitution the Democrats found authority to pass such sweeping legislation that clearly violates every principle upon which our republic was founded, Nancy Pelosi simply laughed and answered, “are you serious?.” Within each reporting of the main stream media, there was a plethora of liberal pundits, posing as objective news reporters who were gleefully pointing out that anyone who thought that the challenges of the law in the court system had any merit were intellectually inferior. So, when Antonin Scalia and Anthony Kennedy pointed out, very astutely, that this particular legislation has some real problems with the Tenth Amendment, namely that it gives the Executive Branch an unchecked authority to just grant itself new power, the same liberal press had a fun to watch meltdown. There was nothing quite like watching Jeffrey Toobin, the CNN Legal Expert, describe the oral arguments at the supreme court to be a, “train wreck,” as if the vast majority of the American People were not dead set against this law, and indeed hoping for the high court to strike this monstrous destruction of our entire way of life down. Yet when President Obama described it days later, he proclaimed it to be bi-partisan effort passed with approval of a large majority in our Legislative Branch. Not a single laugh was recorded amongst the press covering the President at that moment, which is something reality would have dictated.

I read somewhere this morning that when the President or any of his minions speak, we should expect to hear the theme music from the, “Twilight Zone,” and that famous Rod Serling narration. My apologies to whomever I quoted, I can not remember where I had read it. That statement really strikes at the nub of the matter doesn’t it. In order to see things through the liberal prism, you need to exist, mentally anyhow in an alternate universe, where facts are indeed subjective, and distinctions between good and evil, honesty and falsehood are merely a matter of semantics. It doesn’t matter in the slightest that decreases across the board in marginal tax rates have always resulted in increases in federal revenues, we will still assume that by increasing taxes on people we don’t want you to like will result in a deficit reduction. It doesn’t matter at all that our spending on asinine uses of our money, and that the government has not ever succeeded in any of its endeavors into what should be the private sector, those who wish to make their own decisions as to what to do with the fruits of their own labor are labeled as selfish, and the people who did nothing to produce those fruits are labeled as righteous when they come to confiscate that wealth. We have real live examples of the model cities,(Detroit,) fiasco in existence already in America, yet I am still seeing it being taught as a part of our elementary education curricula.

About a year ago, a friend of mine signed me up for a facebook group of liberals who wished to discuss politics on line. It seems that they wanted a few conservatives to debate. It took me about 10 days to be kicked out of the group. One of the college kiddies told me after the third day that he thought it would be nice if, as a conservative, I would write about why all conservatives were knuckle dragging redneck morons who were not smart enough to just accept the liberal worldview. He thought I would be spending my time explaining why we supported Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, even when everyone, wink wink, knew that they did not deserve to be defended for their obvious crimes against dear leader. Cue the Twilight Zone music. As it turns out, they were completely unprepared for any actual argument which went against their worldview, and they certainly were not willing to read such blasphemous words. Tough to debate with someone who is unwilling to at the very least acknowledge your side of the debate. This is where we are in America now. Compromise is just another word for let us have our own way. I used to think that the left worked so hard at censorship because they did not feel capable of defeating us in the arena of ideas, but I realized something even more nefarious is happening here. They would never know if they were capable of defeating us in that arena, as they have never once contemplated any of our arguments. How could they? They simply don’t want to take the chance that an alternative view point exists, anywhere. In order for people to be continuously against their will to behave as the political elites wish, they must be totally controlled. That is why they are always striving to silence the right. It’s not that they fear losing the debate, it’s that they don’t want to allow a debate to take place.

Cross Posted at Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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  1. 1 | April 17, 2012 2:10 pm

    Alice -- “But I don’t wish to go amongst mad people!”

    Cheshire Cat -- “Oh, you can’t help that!”


  2. Mars
    2 | April 17, 2012 2:15 pm

    I made that mistake yesterday. I signed up for Ruck.Us thinking it was actually a place for people to go that were dissatisfied with the two party system and wanted to talk politics. Well, the damn place is nothing but a cesspool of lib wackjobs wanting to prove their “intellectual superiority”. When answering profile questions I hit one that asked about who was responsible for most of the deficit increase. Well, being a conservative I actually looked up the facts. According to the Treasury Dept apparently dems are responsible for almost 80%. The little POS who wrote the question wrote back to me attacking me for creating my own facts, because as he said “Republicans are responsible for 60% of the deficit according to the CBO.” Well, when I went to reply to him again, the website wouldn’t let me, leading me to nothing but dead links. So under my profile I provided the link to the treasury depts numbers. As of yet the piece of garbage has not posted his links to the CBO numbers.

    Any facts that do not coincide with liberal thought are either disregarded or derided. There is no middle ground.


  3. 3 | April 17, 2012 2:24 pm

    Part of the frustration we conservatives feel, is simply the refusal of the political left to debate within the confines of what actual reality would dictate to be the starting point for any discussion in the arena of ideas.

    ROTFLMAO…Funny you should say that. I just got banned from Investors Hub for pointing out that their Founder is serving a 4 year prison sentence for SEC fraud violation for bashing a stock so he could make 4 million dollars naked shorting it.


  4. 4 | April 17, 2012 2:26 pm

    @ Mars:

    Liberals never want debate -- only corroboration.


  5. yenta-fada
    5 | April 17, 2012 2:34 pm

    From the net….”1984″ was a warning, not an instruction book.


  6. Lily
    6 | April 17, 2012 2:38 pm


  7. 7 | April 17, 2012 2:41 pm

    BTW, compare that no-better-than-avareage Ramirez cartoon up top to the piece of crap that won the Pulitzer yesterday.


  8. Lily
    8 | April 17, 2012 2:42 pm

    Debating idiots?? Was on full force on the Hannity show…


  9. yenta-fada
    9 | April 17, 2012 2:46 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    The stock markets no longer represent a place where individuals want to invest. From what I read, 50% of all trades are High Frequency Trades between computers to keep the Dow from spiraling before the election. In my area of interest, when gold went to $1900/oz last year, the gold stocks barely moved in relation to the physical price. The naked shorters made the money. How can an individual investor compete with a computer program that moves in fractions of a second?
    Flyover country would know much more than I do about the market, but who is really making any money in these markets except for Apple shareholders?


  10. 10 | April 17, 2012 2:50 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    but who is really making any money in these markets except for Apple shareholders?

    Criminals like those running Investors Hub and the naked shorters. Oh… And Investors Hub is up on RICO Charges, I hope they all end up in prison right next to their founder Matthew Brown.


  11. yenta-fada
    11 | April 17, 2012 2:53 pm

    I know people who are professionals and they are not hurting in this economy. Sure, they are nervous because the facts have seeped out despite the media telling us everything is about to get better. They are all liberals, so they see no reason to doubt their views on politics anymore than they need to be realistic about Islam. They consider themselves informed because they read newspapers.


  12. Mars
    12 | April 17, 2012 2:56 pm

    Most liberals suffer from Cognitive Dissonance. Their personal world view doesn’t match up with what they see on a daily basis, so their minds have essentially snapped. Fortunately for them they have the press to broadcast to them from their alternate universe, so they don’t go insane and start killing in the streets.


  13. yenta-fada
    13 | April 17, 2012 2:56 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    but who is really making any money in these markets except for Apple shareholders?
    Criminals like those running Investors Hub and the naked shorters. Oh… And Investors Hub is up on RICO Charges, I hope they all end up in prison right next to their founder Matthew Brown.

    That would surely be a good start! There’s a mega-rich group of well connected people in ‘The Carlyle Group’ (sp) Politicians, hedge fund billionaires, etc. They are planning an IPO which tells me that they want to fleece the few investors left in the market as soon as possible. My observations only.


  14. yenta-fada
    14 | April 17, 2012 3:00 pm

    @ Mars:

    I don’t think they have cognitive dissonance so much as they have tunnel vision because they are protected so far. They will have cognitive dissonance when the fit hits the shan. The liberals who are affected by this economy are busy blaming ‘the man’.


  15. Lily
    15 | April 17, 2012 3:02 pm

    @ Mars:

    No you can’t debate these type of people at all. They don’t want to know the real facts especially if it refutes what they ‘believe’. They take politics to the level of a certain type of ‘faith’ and you can’t question their framework of ‘faith’. This is so insane to have such ‘blind faith’ in people in politics (they are people for heavens sake!) instead of actually looking at the facts.
    They assume everyone without their world view are ‘knuckle-dragging-rednecks’ this is also a slam at the south too.


  16. yenta-fada
    16 | April 17, 2012 3:03 pm

    @flyovercountry

    Another great post filled with thoughtful observation based on facts.
    You would be such a great op-ed writer for a newspaper. You should have a weekly column in the Wall Street Journal.


  17. 17 | April 17, 2012 3:06 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    How can an individual investor compete with a computer program that moves in fractions of a second?

    Invest in a diversified portfolio with companies whose value is based on tangible property like oil, metals, food, or other commodities and invest in the long term. Don’t try and time the market, use dollar cost averaging.


  18. yenta-fada
    18 | April 17, 2012 3:06 pm

    @ Lily:

    Toronto suffers from the same syndrome, although the knuckle-draggers got so sick of the last Socialist mayor that they actually voted a businessman into office. The newspapers excoriate him. He’s not perfect, but he gets the concept that spending more money than you take in is not a great plan for a major city.


  19. Lily
    19 | April 17, 2012 3:09 pm

    How do you debate this nonsense when people actually buy into it?

    Obama Ties Trayvon Martin Shooting To “Anti-Immigrant” Sentiment In America…

    In his final question to Obama, Acevedo asked, “Finally, Mr. President, why is it that half a century after the civil rights movement and after the American people elected their first African-American president do I have to stand today here in front of you and ask you about racial tensions in the U.S.? And of course, I’m referring to the Trayvon Martin case.”

    Obama could have noted that Zimmerman was as Hispanic as he is Black and could have said that since the facts of what happened on the night Martin died are still unknown, Americans shouldn’t hastily use the Trayon Martin tragedy as a symbol of “racial tensions in the U.S.,” as Acevedo suggested. [...]

    Here is how Obama responded.

    “Well, I think we all understand that issues of race are deeply embedded in the history of this country,” Obama said. “Sometimes that history has been tragic, slavery, Jim Crow, but also more recent examples of anti-immigrant sentiment, and you know, I think what I always tell people is that…my election alone is not going to completely transform attitudes because this has to do with hearts and not just minds. It has to do with attitudes, not just laws.”


  20. grambo
    21 | April 17, 2012 3:10 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    “who is really making any money in these markets except for Apple shareholders?”

    I am. I think a buy and hold of quality companies is still valid.

    e.g.: I’ve got IBM @140, CAT @74; F @10′ AGNC paying 15% dividend; etc.etc.

    Now, I wouldn’t ever try day-trading, where the electronic traders have a massive edge.

    As for gold, you’re right, the miners never moved up. Big disconnect there. I have the metal itself as well as GLD.

    Not wanting to get argumentative, but there is a lot of bashing of a system that is still pretty well functional for those not trying to “play” it.


  21. Mars
    22 | April 17, 2012 3:13 pm

    The Ruck.us site I mentioned earlier is a good example of how libs do things. It pushes itself as a place for conservatives and liberals. Instead it’s a rats nest of liberals with a few tokens thrown in. They went there to form their own politics outside of the two party system. Apparently to the libs that means that the libs aren’t far enough left and they want to go full on communist without the disguises. Of course what should I expect of a site made by the sons of Daschle and Glendening? And who the hell is this Buddy Roehmer the site is trying to convince everyone should be president or vice?


  22. yenta-fada
    23 | April 17, 2012 3:13 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    How can an individual investor compete with a computer program that moves in fractions of a second?
    Invest in a diversified portfolio with companies whose value is based on tangible property like oil, metals, food, or other commodities and invest in the long term. Don’t try and time the market, use dollar cost averaging.

    Great advice. I’m getting too old to invest for the long term. lol.
    I simply don’t believe the good times are coming back, however I do agree that there will be an era of hard assets. Moving paper around the world made hedge fund managers and investment banking houses rich beyond compare. It was not productive for the little people who produce the goods and services imo. That’s the big talking point behind the union backed ‘occupiers’. There’s a small part of truth in their complaints, however they are being used and don’t understand the scope of the issues. They are unemployable and don’t know why.


  23. Lily
    24 | April 17, 2012 3:14 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Toronto suffers from the same syndrome, although the knuckle-draggers got so sick of the last Socialist mayor that they actually voted a businessman into office. The newspapers excoriate him. He’s not perfect, but he gets the concept that spending more money than you take in is not a great plan for a major city.

    It is so simple ‘you can’t spend more than you take in’ but too many people just don’t grasp it. I get rather sick of the Knuckle-dragging-wingnut-redneck thing. But then again I call them moonbats. See just one word. ;)


  24. Mars
    25 | April 17, 2012 3:15 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Forgot the link..
    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/04/17/obama-ties-trayvon-martin-shooting-to-anti-immigrant-sentiment-in-america/

    Interesting that the ass backwards SOB would try that, considering the man being crucified is hispanic.


  25. Lily
    26 | April 17, 2012 3:17 pm

    @ Mars:

    Do what they are wanting Buddy Roemer? He is an ex-Louisiana govenor and a Republican. He isn’t getting much traction.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Roemer


  26. 27 | April 17, 2012 3:18 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    The potential losses to naked shorting are literally unlimited. One day, this moron is going to have that strategy really backfire on him. He’s going to trash some stock, sell short what he does not own yet, and the next day, they’ll make some public announcement of finding the cure for cancer or inventing the next iphone. About 30 seconds after that, everyone who purchased the options will exercise them, and bammo, the ending of, “Trading Places,” all over again. At least that’s what he deserves.

    Getting cute and taking short cuts is a sword that cuts literally both ways.


  27. Mars
    29 | April 17, 2012 3:20 pm

    @ Lily:
    I noticed he was a Republican. That’s why I’m so baffled that a whole bunch of libs are lining up behind him on there. Unless somehow he’s left of Romney.


  28. yenta-fada
    30 | April 17, 2012 3:21 pm

    @ grambo:

    Very well said. I couldn’t afford those share prices though. What you do is very prudent for people with large savings. That’s likely what flyovercountry does, I suspect. I think the majority of people on this blog feel they are lucky to have a job and pay their bills. The Canadian stock exchange is commodity based, as you probably know. The differential in the currencies over the years put Canadians at a disadvantage for investing in U.S. stocks. Now that the currencies are more or less at par, we didn’t benefit from the rise in any US dollar based stocks. We simply don’t have the wealth that the U.S. has.


  29. 31 | April 17, 2012 3:21 pm

    Obama is going to spend 42 million dollars to make sure oil speculators aren’t manipulating the market. Someone explain to me how a speculator can manipulate a market? If I’m investing in the futures market or even investing in options my bet that prices will rise or fall is called by some speculator who believes the opposite. In other words any speculator who wins means another speculator loses. Why are those speculating that oil will rise so much smarter than those speculating that prices will fall? How come they can manipulate the market but those speculating that prices will fall can’t? Why are the former evil? It’s a zero sum game and another 42 million goes down the toilet.


  30. 32 | April 17, 2012 3:21 pm

    @ Mars:

    WTF!

    That is an onion article. How the hell is a Jewish-Peruvian person anti-immigrant by shooting an African American? This is just so twisted.


  31. Mars
    33 | April 17, 2012 3:22 pm

    Ok, now it’s beginning to make sense. Americans Elect is a big part of the site, and they are the ones who nominated him. (BTW American Elect is a sub-group of the NoLabels crowd, libs pretending to be something else.)


  32. Lily
    34 | April 17, 2012 3:22 pm

    @ Mars:

    I think they all fit the bill. Especially the one ‘Worries about hormones in milk……..but takes acid from strangers’ also fits the bill of the OWS protesters.


  33. Mars
    35 | April 17, 2012 3:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    WTF!
    That is an onion article. How the hell is a Jewish-Peruvian person anti-immigrant by shooting an African American? This is just so twisted.

    No joke, my jaw about hit the floor when Lily posted that.


  34. 36 | April 17, 2012 3:23 pm

    @ Lily:

    They really are reaching. Someone of Jewish and Peruvian roots is anti-immigrant by shooting a Black American whose family had probably been here for hundreds of years.


  35. 37 | April 17, 2012 3:24 pm

    @ Mars:

    I don’t know whether to laugh or to cry. I am dead serious. We have to get rid of this asshole.


  36. Mars
    38 | April 17, 2012 3:24 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:
    I think they all fit the bill. Especially the one ‘Worries about hormones in milk……..but takes acid from strangers’ also fits the bill of the OWS protesters.

    Yep, but the “unemployable” bit just sparked my memory. So many of those OWS have worthless degrees. To be fair, mine is pretty worthless right now too.


  37. Lily
    39 | April 17, 2012 3:25 pm

    Mars wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I noticed he was a Republican. That’s why I’m so baffled that a whole bunch of libs are lining up behind him on there. Unless somehow he’s left of Romney.

    I don’t know he has been out of politics for a while and even the people of Louisiana aren’t even paying attention to him. I wonder why they are?


  38. Mars
    40 | April 17, 2012 3:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    I don’t know whether to laugh or to cry. I am dead serious. We have to get rid of this asshole.

    Lets look at another piece of news that hit while Sharpton and Co. were stirring up the shit in Florida.

    Shooting victim was holding a leash, not a weapon.


  39. Lily
    41 | April 17, 2012 3:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    They really are reaching. Someone of Jewish and Peruvian roots is anti-immigrant by shooting a Black American whose family had probably been here for hundreds of years.

    bho keeps doubling-down on this for some reason. It is pure insanity to be honest.


  40. Mars
    42 | April 17, 2012 3:28 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I noticed he was a Republican. That’s why I’m so baffled that a whole bunch of libs are lining up behind him on there. Unless somehow he’s left of Romney.

    I don’t know he has been out of politics for a while and even the people of Louisiana aren’t even paying attention to him. I wonder why they are?

    I think it’s all due to Americans Elect being a big part of the site now. He’s their nominee for President.


  41. grambo
    43 | April 17, 2012 3:28 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Thank-you. Very kind.
    I retired last year and rolled my IRA. What I have is the result of spending 10% less than I made for 37 years. I didn’t mean to come off as bragging, but simply supporting the idea of long-term saving and investing as a way to control one’s own future.


  42. Mars
    44 | April 17, 2012 3:29 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Mars:
    I don’t know whether to laugh or to cry. I am dead serious. We have to get rid of this asshole.

    Lets look at another piece of news that hit while Sharpton and Co. were stirring up the shit in Florida.
    Shooting victim was holding a leash, not a weapon.

    This is the shooting of a hispanic man with the mental capacity of a 12 year old, by a black man. Yet, it hasn’t even made national news. Several elements are similar to the Trayvon shooting, except this one is more blatantly vile.


  43. 45 | April 17, 2012 3:31 pm

    @ Mars:

    Interesting no calls for investigating that.


  44. 46 | April 17, 2012 3:33 pm

    @ Mars:

    Funny no outcry over this.

    Clearly Non Black deaths are not important on Pharonic America.


  45. yenta-fada
    47 | April 17, 2012 3:35 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    Obama is going to spend 42 million dollars to make sure oil speculators aren’t manipulating the market. Someone explain to me how a speculator can manipulate a market? If I’m investing in the futures market or even investing in options my bet that prices will rise or fall is called by some speculator who believes the opposite. In other words any speculator who wins means another speculator loses. Why are those speculating that oil will rise so much smarter than those speculating that prices will fall? How come they can manipulate the market but those speculating that prices will fall can’t? Why are the former evil? It’s a zero sum game and another 42 million goes down the toilet.

    Also, this so-called speculation doesn’t take into account that natural gas prices are at a ten year low. Barry and Alinsky are blamers, not builders. They are parasites on the productive.


  46. Lily
    48 | April 17, 2012 3:36 pm

    @ Mars:

    WTH? They didn’t notice the dog at the end of the leash? That story is insane. Self-defense?


  47. 49 | April 17, 2012 3:37 pm

    @ Lily:

    No way is this self defense.


  48. Mars
    50 | April 17, 2012 3:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Funny no outcry over this.
    Clearly Non Black deaths are not important on Pharonic America.

    That’s exactly the message being sent. Also keep in mind that Holder was at an event celebrating the “career” of Sharpton around the time this occurred.


  49. Lily
    51 | April 17, 2012 3:38 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I noticed he was a Republican. That’s why I’m so baffled that a whole bunch of libs are lining up behind him on there. Unless somehow he’s left of Romney.

    I don’t know he has been out of politics for a while and even the people of Louisiana aren’t even paying attention to him. I wonder why they are?

    I think it’s all due to Americans Elect being a big part of the site now. He’s their nominee for President.

    Good luck to them .. Buddy Roemer is going nowhere fast.


  50. Mars
    52 | April 17, 2012 3:38 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Gee, lets see which could be justified. A mentally handicapped man with a dog. Or a large, tattooed thug with a gold “grill”. Which one would you feel more frightened of?


  51. Mars
    53 | April 17, 2012 3:41 pm

    @ Lily:
    Oh, that’s ok. Daschle (sites founder) is also trying to push for my soon to be termed out governor to run for senate in 2014 due to his being a “centrist”. He’s actually the most partisan, corrupt clown we’ve ever had. He’s only on the right side with gun rights. Everything else he obeys his dem masters.


  52. Lily
    54 | April 17, 2012 3:42 pm

    @ Mars:

    Where is the DOJ rushing to defend this senseless shooting?
    Oh wait…. *crickets*


  53. grambo
    55 | April 17, 2012 3:44 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I couldn’t agree more. So far my efforts have consisted of preaching to the choir (I don’t have much contact with liberals) and sending some money to the RNC. Doesn’t seem like much. I need ideas.

    I don’t live in a swing state (Nashville; hi Rain !) so I guess I need to …….


  54. yenta-fada
    56 | April 17, 2012 3:44 pm

    grambo wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Thank-you. Very kind.
    I retired last year and rolled my IRA. What I have is the result of spending 10% less than I made for 37 years. I didn’t mean to come off as bragging, but simply supporting the idea of long-term saving and investing as a way to control one’s own future.

    I didn’t think you were bragging; not at all. I love success stories!
    My concern for all savers is the value of the CURRENCY that one is using to save in. Quantitative easing is going on all the time in the form of printing money to help save insolvent European banks. They are calling them ‘swaps’, but there’s no ability to pay back those ‘loans’. Changes in currencies in relation to each other used to move very slowly. Now they move in HOURS. I do believe that Americans will see some form of currency controls so that you will not easily get out of the dollar. We save in a currency that will hurt your toe if you drop a bunch of it on your foot. It is international and the Chinese, Russians and Indians love it.


  55. Lily
    57 | April 17, 2012 3:44 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Funny no outcry over this.
    Clearly Non Black deaths are not important on Pharonic America.

    That’s exactly the message being sent. Also keep in mind that Holder was at an event celebrating the “career” of Sharpton around the time this occurred.

    Celebrating the career of a race-baiter. Jeez.


  56. yenta-fada
    58 | April 17, 2012 3:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    I don’t know whether to laugh or to cry. I am dead serious. We have to get rid of this asshole.

    Prayers going up!


  57. 59 | April 17, 2012 3:46 pm

    @ Lily:

    I think a good answer for Obama would have been something to the effect of “When the rest of the countries at this conference are half as prosperous, generous and socially placid, please feel fee to be critical. That this type of incident happens as amatter of course in most of the Americas, yet has garnered international notice in the US speaks as well of the US as it does ill of everyone else. Americans are oft admonished to keep our noses out of the internal affairs of other countries, so I’ll admonish you do so in the Treyvon Martin case. Our system of justice is just fine, thank you. Oh, and by the way, our immigration policy wouldn’t be of such interest if Mexico and points south weren’t economic basket cases, would it? Let’s not forget who the senior partner is at this conference”


  58. yenta-fada
    60 | April 17, 2012 3:48 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Mars:
    I think they all fit the bill. Especially the one ‘Worries about hormones in milk……..but takes acid from strangers’ also fits the bill of the OWS protesters.
    Yep, but the “unemployable” bit just sparked my memory. So many of those OWS have worthless degrees. To be fair, mine is pretty worthless right now too.

    I’m very sorry to hear that. Don’t let the b’turds grind you down.


  59. Lily
    61 | April 17, 2012 3:51 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    MacDuff that just doesn’t fit the narrative he wants to put across.
    /plus that would actually make sense. The reason this is getting international press is because of him and all the faux outrage from the race-baiters he and the DOJ fully support!


  60. yenta-fada
    62 | April 17, 2012 3:54 pm

    Mars wrote:

    The last one is appropriate for the Occupy Crowd.

    Funny captions. :-)


  61. Lily
    63 | April 17, 2012 3:55 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Yeah they were. They all fit those fools.


  62. yenta-fada
    64 | April 17, 2012 3:56 pm

    grambo wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I couldn’t agree more. So far my efforts have consisted of preaching to the choir (I don’t have much contact with liberals) and sending some money to the RNC. Doesn’t seem like much. I need ideas.
    I don’t live in a swing state (Nashville; hi Rain !) so I guess I need to …….

    Write letters to the editor in your local paper until you get in print. People love to read them.


  63. Mars
    65 | April 17, 2012 3:57 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    @ Mars:
    I think they all fit the bill. Especially the one ‘Worries about hormones in milk……..but takes acid from strangers’ also fits the bill of the OWS protesters.
    Yep, but the “unemployable” bit just sparked my memory. So many of those OWS have worthless degrees. To be fair, mine is pretty worthless right now too.
    I’m very sorry to hear that. Don’t let the b’turds grind you down.

    I’ll be ok. But, to do so I have to do some things that I’m not really a fan of. In order to provide for my family I’ve had to file for a VA disability increase, and probably SSDI too if I get to the magic number of 70%. Not my preferred route, but my disability has gotten a lot worse, and I have to provide for my children.


  64. Lily
    66 | April 17, 2012 3:59 pm

    @ Mars:

    You gotta do what you gotta do. Hang in there Mars!


  65. grambo
    67 | April 17, 2012 4:03 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    grambo wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    I couldn’t agree more. So far my efforts have consisted of preaching to the choir (I don’t have much contact with liberals) and sending some money to the RNC. Doesn’t seem like much. I need ideas.
    I don’t live in a swing state (Nashville; hi Rain !) so I guess I need to …….
    Write letters to the editor in your local paper until you get in print. People love to read them.

    Heh. The Tennessean is a liberal rag. I’ve tried that on a few specific issues with no result. Carefully crafted, to the point letters, mind you. Not ranting.
    There are a few local online outlets, though.

    Maybe I’ll organize a million-pissed-off-taxpayer-man march and bus up to Ohio.


  66. Lily
    68 | April 17, 2012 4:04 pm

    Good night in Georgia! Really????????

    CNN Sycophant Fareed Zakaria Being Considered For Top Diplomatic Post If Obama Wins Second Term…

    A CNN pundit who has advocated nuclear containment of Iran and expressed antipathy towards American democracy is said to be on the short list for a top diplomatic post in a second Obama administration—perhaps even secretary of State. That is raising red flags across Capitol Hill and within foreign policy circles.

    Fareed Zakaria hosts CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS,” a weekly program focusing on international issues and American foreign policy. Zakaria is also an editor-at-large forTime magazine and a columnist for the Washington Post, where he regularly praisesthe president’s policies.

    Zakaria has gone to great lengths to ingratiate himself to Obama, frequently flattering the president and vociferously attacking his critics on both sides of the political aisle. This could be the reason Obama is so keen on the pundit, sources said.

    “Every column he’s written in the Washington Post for the last two years has been a job application,” said one longtime Washington foreign policy insider who requested anonymity. “He’s just climbing the greasy pole.”

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/04/17/cnns-sycophant-fareed-zakaria-being-considered-for-diplomatic-post-if-obama-wins-second-term/


  67. Lily
    69 | April 17, 2012 4:06 pm

    @ Lily:

    All you got to do is flatter bho and you get a top level job…whatever could go wrong here??


  68. Mars
    70 | April 17, 2012 4:09 pm

    @ Lily:
    Not overly surprising. Just being in the mainstream press is a job application to a Dem administration. That’s one of the many reasons they won’t do their job. They all believe in their hearts that someday their prince will come and the slipper will fit.


  69. Mars
    71 | April 17, 2012 4:11 pm

    I tried doing some research one time on the cross-pollination between dem administrations and the press. I finally had to stop due to too much information. The two are inherently incestuous.


  70. Lily
    72 | April 17, 2012 4:12 pm

    @ Mars:

    Well it is showing daily how the are the water-bearers for the dems.


  71. 73 | April 17, 2012 4:12 pm

    @ grambo:

    We are not dealing with a normal Democrat. This is a 3rd World Liberation Ideologue.


  72. 74 | April 17, 2012 4:13 pm

    @ Lily:

    Zakaria is a Muslim Brotherhood sympathizer. He also believes in a Post American world.


  73. Lily
    75 | April 17, 2012 4:13 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Oh I agree bho is a whole different type of politician.


  74. Lily
    76 | April 17, 2012 4:15 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yep he is. This would be very, very bad for bho to put him in any type of position in D.C.
    This is pure insanity.


  75. grambo
    77 | April 17, 2012 4:15 pm

    Mars wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Not overly surprising. Just being in the mainstream press is a job application to a Dem administration. That’s one of the many reasons they won’t do their job. They all believe in their hearts that someday their prince will come and the slipper will fit.

    A beautiful turn of phrase.
    I’d really like to borrow it …… promise to put it to good use.


  76. 78 | April 17, 2012 4:16 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Obama made it an International incident.

    Oh, and by the way, our immigration policy wouldn’t be of such interest if Mexico and points south weren’t economic basket cases, would it?

    Going to disagree here. Most of Latin America is doing well economically. We are the economic basket case now thanks to Obama.


  77. Mars
    79 | April 17, 2012 4:18 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Zakaria is a Muslim Brotherhood sympathizer. He also believes in a Post American world.

    Very true. He is one of those that are 100% in line with what O believes. A large portion of the press are just stupid. They think they support O because he’s a liberal, they don’t quite grasp how far he is willing to go. I don’t think they’d stop supporting him if they understood, but I do believe they aren’t nearly as dedicated to the destruction of the country as he is. But, Fareed is completely onboard with it.


  78. Mars
    80 | April 17, 2012 4:19 pm

    @ grambo:
    Feel free.


  79. 81 | April 17, 2012 4:19 pm

    @ Mars:

    Obama was seen with Zakaria’s book.


  80. grambo
    82 | April 17, 2012 4:22 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Just to be clear:
    I consider him to be a traitor and a threat to my Country and my children.


  81. 83 | April 17, 2012 4:26 pm

    @ grambo:

    Same here!


  82. yenta-fada
    84 | April 17, 2012 4:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Zakaria is a Muslim Brotherhood sympathizer. He also believes in a Post American world.

    Obama/Hillary comrade-in-arms.


  83. Mars
    85 | April 17, 2012 4:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Obama was seen with Zakaria’s book.

    I remember that pic.


  84. waldensianspirit
    86 | April 17, 2012 4:27 pm

    It does no good to read Burke quotations to a Kardashian society which makes its determinations not on truth or justice, but on its omnipresent need for entertainment. Trying to reason with it only makes it angrier. Talking about virtues and decency to people who have none either confuses them or infuriates those few who understand the concept in some distant way. — Knish


  85. 87 | April 17, 2012 4:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Going to disagree here. Most of Latin America is doing well economically. We are the economic basket case now thanks to Obama.

    Well, I guess it’s how you look at it. There are successes and some real up and comers, but there’s a lot of Marxism as well. We have immense structural and regime issues in this country but a middle class lifestyle in the US is far superior than it is just about anywhere in Latin America.


  86. grambo
    88 | April 17, 2012 4:30 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Lily:
    Zakaria is a Muslim Brotherhood sympathizer. He also believes in a Post American world.
    Obama/Hillary comrade-in-arms.

    Any chance he would be confirmed (Sec State)? Or, more likely an ambassadorship for him? Iceland, maybe.


  87. yenta-fada
    89 | April 17, 2012 4:32 pm

    @ Mars:

    Being a veteran is something we can all respect. You deserve any benefits you can get. Part of being ethical means you are proud of being self-reliant and ergo less inclined to take what is owed to you. My opinion, of course. Get that money and be proud of your service.


  88. yenta-fada
    90 | April 17, 2012 4:34 pm

    @ grambo:

    Obama’s people don’t likely pay for their own busfare to get to Washington rallies. lol


  89. grambo
    91 | April 17, 2012 4:34 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Going to disagree here. Most of Latin America is doing well economically. We are the economic basket case now thanks to Obama.

    Well, I guess it’s how you look at it. There are successes and some real up and comers, but there’s a lot of Marxism as well. We have immense structural and regime issues in this country but a middle class lifestyle in the US is far superior than it is just about anywhere in Latin America.

    A little of both, isn’t it? Brazil has 40% GDP in public sector (yeah, we’re headed that way); Argentina about to do a Chavez on that Spanish oil company …… it ain’t all roses down there.


  90. Lily
    92 | April 17, 2012 4:36 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Obama was seen with Zakaria’s book.

    I remember that pic.

    One more reason to vote bho out of office.


  91. yenta-fada
    93 | April 17, 2012 4:37 pm

    grambo wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ Lily:
    Zakaria is a Muslim Brotherhood sympathizer. He also believes in a Post American world.
    Obama/Hillary comrade-in-arms.
    Any chance he would be confirmed (Sec State)? Or, more likely an ambassadorship for him? Iceland, maybe.

    The ‘internationlists’ love the UN and lots of money. Zakaria gets interviewed at Davos. He will go where the money is. He certainly likes sticking his face in front of a camera.


  92. citizen_q
    94 | April 17, 2012 4:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Funny no outcry over this.
    Clearly Non Black deaths are not important on Pharonic America.

    Given the carnage being wrought by blacks amongst themselves, I think it would be more succinct to say that they only care about black deaths when they are caused by non-black and politically exploitable.

    Curiously very much like violence involving muslims.


  93. citizen_q
    95 | April 17, 2012 4:38 pm

    Lily wrote:

    One more reason to vote bho out of office.

    I am saturated with reasons to vote bho out of of office.


  94. 97 | April 17, 2012 4:42 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Actually not the case. Countries like Colombia, Chile, Costa Rica, Panama and increasingly Mexico have solid Middle classes. Even Brazil’s Middle class is strengthening. The Marxists are the outliers, that’s Venezuela and Bolivia. Even Nicaragua, the Sandanistas are Capitalists now. If I was in my 20′s, I would move to Colombia in a heartbeat.

    Here’s an interesting fact, Immigration from Latin America is practically zero. You can figure out where most of the Immigrants coming here are from now!

    Now as for American Middle Class lifestyle superiors to Latin America, they are on par now. But keep this in mind. They are on the up and thanks to Obama we are on the down. We are missing out an economic boom south oi us. We should be benefiting from the Latin Boom.

    Obama needs to go!


  95. yenta-fada
    98 | April 17, 2012 4:43 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    OMG!


  96. m
    99 | April 17, 2012 4:43 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    3) The cuts on the cake start in the genital area.

    Fun with clitorectomies, don’tcha know…


  97. 100 | April 17, 2012 4:45 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I tried doing some research one time on the cross-pollination between dem administrations and the press. I finally had to stop due to too much information. The two are inherently incestuous.

    Man, that’s threadworthy in itself! We all know their bent, but just looking at the number of past Dem operatives in broadcast media over the decades, it’s obscene. I think that, in the past, there was a certain “dignity” that precluded someone who had worked that closely with the president from doing that sort of thing. Everyone’s a whore now. Yeah, Repubs are doing the same thing now at Fox, but that’s a pretty recent development.


  98. buzzsawmonkey
  99. yenta-fada
    102 | April 17, 2012 4:46 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Al Guardian condems the Swedes. I love it when socialists go after each other. POPCORN

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/17/sweden-europe-news


  100. 103 | April 17, 2012 4:48 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    George Stephanopolus is a prime example.


  101. 104 | April 17, 2012 4:49 pm

    I hate Grover Norquist, he’s a MB supporter.


  102. 105 | April 17, 2012 4:51 pm

    @ Rodan:

    ….and Chris Tingle


  103. buzzsawmonkey
    107 | April 17, 2012 4:54 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    ….and Chris Tingle

    Chris Tingle? Isn’t he the guy who puts coal into bad little conservatives’ stockings to increase their carbon footprint?


  104. Lily
    108 | April 17, 2012 4:55 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    WTH???? That is horrible! What a bunch of ghouls.
    /the insanity continues all over.


  105. grambo
    109 | April 17, 2012 4:58 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Boxer proposed, Reid wrote, an amendment to the current highway bill which will permit the IRS to cancel your passport if the IRS determines unilaterally that you owe $50,000 in back taxes.
    All your travel and your money are belong to us!

    hmmmmm …… if they start with the 98,000 federal employees who, collectively, owe $1 Billion ……. might be an upside to this.


  106. 110 | April 17, 2012 5:00 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Countless others.


  107. Lily
    111 | April 17, 2012 5:01 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    That is what they come up with to make people aware of FM???????


  108. 112 | April 17, 2012 5:01 pm

    New Thread.


  109. citizen_q
    113 | April 17, 2012 5:01 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I saw a headline on Drudge to that story yesterday. Unfortunately the link was to prison planet.


  110. Mars
    114 | April 17, 2012 5:04 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    You have to see this to believe it. The Swedish cultural minister at an arts fest where:
    1) A cake was featured to look like a caricatured black woman;
    2) A live person made up to match the cake provides the “head” of the cake and screams each time a slice is cut;
    3) The cuts on the cake start in the genital area.
    No, I am not making this up.
    But it’s OK, folks—they’re progressives.

    That’s the least of Swedens Mental problems.


  111. buzzsawmonkey
    115 | April 17, 2012 5:04 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    I saw a headline on Drudge to that story yesterday. Unfortunately the link was to prison planet.

    My link is not to prison planet.

    It could be a false alarm—but I put less and less past this current gang.


  112. Mars
    116 | April 17, 2012 5:06 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    I tried doing some research one time on the cross-pollination between dem administrations and the press. I finally had to stop due to too much information. The two are inherently incestuous.

    Man, that’s threadworthy in itself! We all know their bent, but just looking at the number of past Dem operatives in broadcast media over the decades, it’s obscene. I think that, in the past, there was a certain “dignity” that precluded someone who had worked that closely with the president from doing that sort of thing. Everyone’s a whore now. Yeah, Repubs are doing the same thing now at Fox, but that’s a pretty recent development.

    Nope, the past didn’t make a difference. I’ve found this crap all the way back to the 40′s and 50′s at least.


  113. buzzsawmonkey
    117 | April 17, 2012 5:06 pm

    Mars wrote:

    That’s the least of Swedens Mental problems.

    A hidden, uh, gender?


  114. Mars
    118 | April 17, 2012 5:09 pm

    I pretty thoroughly covered Norquist on here some months ago. A couple good ideas from him don’t make up for a lot of very evil connections.


  115. Mars
    119 | April 17, 2012 5:10 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    That’s the least of Swedens Mental problems.
    A hidden, uh, gender?

    They want to eliminate all gender roles. No boy/girl toys, no boy/girl programs. Everyone is the same you know? Even though it’ been shown time and again that there are several differences between the genders. Other than the obvious ones lol.


  116. citizen_q
    120 | April 17, 2012 5:15 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Yes, I know. My comment was more directed to Drudge’s sometimes choice of sources.

    BTW, I could see this happening. The admin and demoncraps are totalitarian in nature and Orwellian in their use of language.


  117. yenta-fada
    121 | April 17, 2012 5:23 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    That is what they come up with to make people aware of FM???????

    Confirming who they really are.


  118. yenta-fada
    122 | April 17, 2012 5:25 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    That’s the least of Swedens Mental problems.
    A hidden, uh, gender?

    lol!


  119. 123 | April 17, 2012 5:25 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Actually not the case. Countries like Colombia, Chile, Costa Rica, Panama and increasingly Mexico have solid Middle classes. Even Brazil’s Middle class is strengthening. The Marxists are the outliers, that’s Venezuela and Bolivia. Even Nicaragua, the Sandanistas are Capitalists now. If I was in my 20′s, I would move to Colombia in a heartbeat.

    Here’s an interesting fact, Immigration from Latin America is practically zero. You can figure out where most of the Immigrants coming here are from now!

    Now as for American Middle Class lifestyle superiors to Latin America, they are on par now. But keep this in mind. They are on the up and thanks to Obama we are on the down. We are missing out an economic boom south oi us. We should be benefiting from the Latin Boom.

    Obama needs to go!

    Even conceding all of that, I see very few middle class Americans chucking the US for points south, though we are losing some of our wealthy. Permanantly.


  120. yenta-fada
    124 | April 17, 2012 5:27 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Boxer proposed, Reid wrote, an amendment to the current highway bill which will permit the IRS to cancel your passport if the IRS determines unilaterally that you owe $50,000 in back taxes.
    All your travel and your money are belong to us!

    As I said earlier, this can also be used as a form of currency controls for the U.S. dollar.


  121. 125 | April 17, 2012 5:28 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Boxer proposed, Reid wrote, an amendment to the current highway bill which will permit the IRS to cancel your passport if the IRS determines unilaterally that you owe $50,000 in back taxes.
    All your travel and your money are belong to us!
    As I said earlier, this can also be used as a form of currency controls for the U.S. dollar.

    That is not currency control, it’s tyranny.


  122. yenta-fada
    126 | April 17, 2012 5:32 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Indeed it is. Currency controls are just a beneficial side-effect./


  123. Canoe Convoy
    127 | April 17, 2012 5:33 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    This is on a par with, if not worse than, the knife holder that’s shaped like a man — and just as offensive.


  124. 128 | April 17, 2012 5:39 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    You have to see this to believe it. The Swedish cultural minister at an arts fest where:

    1) A cake was featured to look like a caricatured black woman;

    2) A live person made up to match the cake provides the “head” of the cake and screams each time a slice is cut;

    3) The cuts on the cake start in the genital area.

    No, I am not making this up.

    But it’s OK, folks—they’re progressives.

    There’s something rotten in Scandinavia in general, not just Denmark in particular. Every time there’s a story about these people, my reaction is “WTF?”.


  125. buzzsawmonkey
    129 | April 17, 2012 5:39 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    That is not currency control, it’s tyranny.

    This administration is both pro-tranny and pro-tyranny.


  126. Mars
    130 | April 17, 2012 5:46 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Boxer proposed, Reid wrote, an amendment to the current highway bill which will permit the IRS to cancel your passport if the IRS determines unilaterally that you owe $50,000 in back taxes.
    All your travel and your money are belong to us!
    As I said earlier, this can also be used as a form of currency controls for the U.S. dollar.

    That’s already been done by the Child Support Service since the Carter admin. They suspend your passport and all professional licenses. Keep in mind this is an agency with no oversight, no outside appeals (except court if you’re lucky), and no accountability.


  127. yenta-fada
    131 | April 17, 2012 5:52 pm

    @ Mars:

    Gee, any other agencies out there with no oversight, no outside appeals, and no accountability?/


  128. 132 | April 17, 2012 5:53 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Keep in mind this is an agency with no oversight, no outside appeals (except court if you’re lucky), and no accountability.

    So, in other words it just like the entire rest of the Obamanation Administration… :shock:


  129. Mars
    133 | April 17, 2012 5:54 pm

    Pretty much. Also keep in mind that this is an agency that President Ford created and said it would be declared unconstitutional within the year.


  130. Mars
    134 | April 17, 2012 5:59 pm

    In 1975, Congress passed a law which included a last minute amendment to create the Office of Child Support Enforcement (OCSE). When signing the bill, then President Ford commented that it took the federal government too far into domestic relations and promised to propose legislation to correct the problem. Over the decade that followed, it became clear that OCSE intended to grow in size and power to control all aspects of child support law, seizing that power from the state courts.


  131. Mars
    135 | April 17, 2012 6:01 pm

    There are a lot of Fathers Rights groups out there trying to get rid of this BS, and put the system back in the hands of the states. But, right now it doesn’t look like much will change. Like Roe vs Wade, even bad, unconstitutional decisions become ingrained as legal precedent if left to stand too long.


  132. Lily
    136 | April 17, 2012 6:02 pm

    @ Mars:

    Why did Ford even sign the bill if he was against it?


  133. Mars
    137 | April 17, 2012 6:05 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Why did Ford even sign the bill if he was against it?

    That’s kind of a mystery. Let me see if I can find anything.


  134. Mars
    138 | April 17, 2012 6:09 pm

    “In pursuit of this objective, however, certain provisions of this legislation go too far by injecting the Federal Government into domestic relations. Specifically, provisions for use of the Federal courts, the tax collection procedures of the Internal Revenue Service, and excessive audit requirements are an undesirable and an unnecessary intrusion of the Federal Government into domestic relations.

    They are also an undesirable addition to the workload of the Federal courts, the IRS, and the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare Audit Agency. Further, the establishment of a parent locator service in the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare with access to all Federal records raises serious privacy and administrative issues.

    I believe that these defects should be corrected in the next Congress, and I will propose legislation to do so.”

    Apparently it was included in the Social Services Amendment of 1974 and there were sections he considered too important to risk.


  135. 139 | April 17, 2012 6:13 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Apparently it was included in the Social Services Amendment of 1974 and there were sections he considered too important to risk.

    That “bundling” crap is one of the most corrosive practices in Washington.


  136. Lily
    140 | April 17, 2012 6:14 pm

    @ Mars:

    Apparently too the things that went too far were never addressed.
    He should have sent it back to Congress to cut out the things that went too far.


  137. Mars
    141 | April 17, 2012 6:16 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    Very true


  138. Mars
    143 | April 17, 2012 6:21 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Apparently too the things that went too far were never addressed.
    He should have sent it back to Congress to cut out the things that went too far.

    Not only were they not addressed they were expanded upon under every dem president since. Especially that wart on humanities backside, Carter.


  139. Lily
    144 | April 17, 2012 6:34 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    That’s insanity. Pure and simple. This country is more divided, more in debt, and the joke of the world with him at the helm.


  140. 145 | April 17, 2012 6:37 pm

    Hey guys, new thread.


  141. yenta-fada
    146 | April 17, 2012 6:42 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Michelle Obama: ‘This President Has Brought Us Out of the Dark and Into the Light’
    Good God.

    Did you see the larger agenda in that speech? She’s making it about The Supreme Court and Obamacare:

    “This President has brought us out of the dark and into the light,” she said in a speech at a rally in Nashville. “I hope you all are fired up and ready to go.”

    Her comments came as Washington awaited a ruling from the nine justices on whether her husband’s landmark health care law is constitutional. A decision could come in June.

    “We cannot forget the impact the Court’s decisions will have on our lives for decades to come — on our privacy and security, on whether we can speak freely, worship openly, and love whomever we choose,” she said in a ringing defense of the president’s record.Asked about similar statements in the past, the White House has denied that they reflect any newfound White House support for gay marriage. Kristina Schake, the First Lady’s communications director, said Tuesday that it “refers to the importance of the Supreme Court for deciding many issues.”

    “The President and First Lady firmly believe that gay and lesbian Americans and their families deserve legal protections and the ability to thrive just like any other family,” she said.

    Obama press secretary Jay Carney, asked about similar comments from the First Lady in March, said she was specifically referring to the president’s decision to stop defending the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which bars recognition of same-sex marriage.

    With the presidential contest heating up, both sides are expected to warn their supporters that the stakes reach far beyond control of the White House for the next four years because the next president may be able to nominate at least one new justice to a lifetime appointment on the Supreme Court.

    “Let’s not forget how my husband appointed those two brilliant Supreme Court justices,” Michelle Obama said, referring to Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan.

    “Let’s not forget how, for the first time in history, our daughters and our sons watched three women take their seat on our nation’s highest court,” she said.

    President Obama sometimes mentions the court at campaign events, but rarely in this level of detail.


  142. yenta-fada
    147 | April 17, 2012 6:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Hey guys, new thread.

    Aw, it’s just a sticky thread. :-)


  143. Mars
    148 | April 17, 2012 6:44 pm

    No thanks. Don’t want to delve into the insanity that is Brooks.


  144. 149 | April 17, 2012 6:55 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    Michelle Obama: ‘This President Has Brought Us Out of the Dark and Into the Light’
    Good God.

    Did you see the larger agenda in that speech? She’s making it about The Supreme Court and Obamacare:

    “This President has brought us out of the dark and into the light,” she said in a speech at a rally in Nashville. “I hope you all are fired up and ready to go.”

    Her comments came as Washington awaited a ruling from the nine justices on whether her husband’s landmark health care law is constitutional. A decision could come in June.

    “We cannot forget the impact the Court’s decisions will have on our lives for decades to come — on our privacy and security, on whether we can speak freely, worship openly, and love whomever we choose,” she said in a ringing defense of the president’s record.Asked about similar statements in the past, the White House has denied that they reflect any newfound White House support for gay marriage. Kristina Schake, the First Lady’s communications director, said Tuesday that it “refers to the importance of the Supreme Court for deciding many issues.”

    “The President and First Lady firmly believe that gay and lesbian Americans and their families deserve legal protections and the ability to thrive just like any other family,” she said.

    Obama press secretary Jay Carney, asked about similar comments from the First Lady in March, said she was specifically referring to the president’s decision to stop defending the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which bars recognition of same-sex marriage.

    With the presidential contest heating up, both sides are expected to warn their supporters that the stakes reach far beyond control of the White House for the next four years because the next president may be able to nominate at least one new justice to a lifetime appointment on the Supreme Court.

    “Let’s not forget how my husband appointed those two brilliant Supreme Court justices,” Michelle Obama said, referring to Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan.

    “Let’s not forget how, for the first time in history, our daughters and our sons watched three women take their seat on our nation’s highest court,” she said.

    President Obama sometimes mentions the court at campaign events, but rarely in this level of detail.

    It’s as brilliant a strategy as it is duplicitous. She’s sounding even more radical than her husband, thus firing up the hard-core Marxists, while the White House doesn’t echo….or disavow her remarks. All the while, she’s hiding behind the mantle of First Lady.

    Gawd, and I thought the Clintons were shameless!


  145. yenta-fada
    150 | April 17, 2012 7:10 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Moochelle has the charm of a charging rhino. She says the same thing over and over. You can tell by her buzz words. I’m surprised she graduated from high school. Professional victimhood is EASY in this culture of self esteem being more important than facts, knowledge, or accomplishment.


  146. Buckeye Abroad
    151 | April 17, 2012 7:22 pm

    @Flyovercountry

    They would never know if they were capable of defeating us in that arena, as they have never once contemplated any of our arguments. How could they? They simply don’t want to take the chance that an alternative view point exists, anywhere.

    About a dozen years ago, I read a editors note relating to something similiar…in Ireland. He got a response from a dear acquiantance he knew for a very long time about his deconstruction of feminism. Her respone rings true for every (honest) liberal I have ever met.

    From memory: “If I have to contemplate your position and your point of view, I honestly would have to adjust my opinions and I am not prepared to do that at this point in my life. If ever. If I start doing that, I might have to re-think a lot of other cherished beliefs. Therefore it’s easier to simply ignore you.”

    That’s it in a nut shell.


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