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International relations and the Armenian genocide

by Speranza ( 180 Comments › )
Filed under History, Holocaust, Turkey at April 30th, 2012 - 2:00 pm

Even though Turkey does not even try to make as if she is pro American, there is no diplomatic reason (there never was any moral reason) for the Untied States and other nations acknowledging the Armenian Genocide). However since Obama and the racist, bigoted, anti-Semitic  Erdogan are BFF’s , and Armenians are Christians and Turks are Muslims – the odds of the United States speaking up on this subject are zero.

by Harout Harry Semerdjian

While the modern-day Republic of Turkey was founded in 1923, eight years after its Ottoman predecessors embarked on a massive and systematic undertaking to rid the empire of its Armenian population, the country today often finds itself in diplomatic spats with various Western nations over its history. Outside the periphery of geopolitics, it would be perplexing to most as to why an event that occurred nearly 100 years ago would impact relations between Turkey and the United States and various European countries. The answer lies in the annals of history.

During the First World War, while the Islamic Ottoman Empire was fighting the Allied Powers on the side of Germany, its native Christian Armenian population became a target of organized deportations and massacres. Long having suffered from discrimination and second-class citizenship, WWI provided the Young Turk government a cover to reach a “final solution” to the prevailing Armenian question.

Starting April 24, 1915, with the arrest and killing of the Armenian intelligentsia, an entire civilization was uprooted from its many-millennia-old homeland and outright massacred or driven to a slow death in the deserts of Syria. The material and cultural loss of the Armenians has also been enormous, with some 3,000 churches destroyed alone. It is estimated that out of a population of two million Armenians, one-and-a-half million were killed while another half a million survived and dispersed to nearly every continent, thus resulting in the creation of a large and dynamic Armenian diaspora.

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The Armenian refugees of 1915 who eventually found themselves integrated and well-established into their host societies, and frustrated with a lack of justice for the genocide, often succeeded in bringing their families’ plight to the attention of world leaders and onto the agendas of global parliaments and the US Congress. It is this very Armenian diaspora that is so feared and vilified by the Turkish government, which regrettably fails to comprehend and accept the realities, needs and anguish of these communities spread all across the world. An eerie reminder of the policy of exile still in effect, visiting diaspora scholars who have written on the genocide have also been deported from the country.

To date, over 20 countries and 43 US states have officially recognized the Armenian genocide, often with high costs and difficult political battles. In 2001, when the French parliament officially passed a resolution formally recognizing the Armenian genocide, Turkey recalled its ambassador and threatened to cut off economic and military ties with France. The two countries narrowly escaped yet another political fallout earlier this year over a proposed bill that would have criminalized the denial of the Armenian genocide in France. The French Constitutional Court, however, found the bill unconstitutional and the measure eventually fell through.

Arguably the most influential Armenian diaspora is that of the United States, where powerful Armenian lobby groups often influence members of Congress to pass pro-Armenian legislation and secure large amounts of foreign aid to Armenia every year. While successful on a number of issues, the Armenian Genocide Resolution is yet to be passed by both the House and the Senate – a measure that consistently fails due to Turkey’s heavy pressure on the White House and threats to close down a US military base on its territory.
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With the one-hundredth anniversary of the Armenian genocide fast approaching, Turkey increasingly finds itself isolated on this issue and under international pressure to finally recognize the wrongs of its predecessors. Its official policy of denial has been a total failure over the decades. Turkey has long relied on its military strength and geopolitical location to get its way on this and other issues including Cyprus and the Kurdish question; if its leadership wants to seriously advance the country’s democratization and “Europeanization” processes, as well as to set the stage for its rise as a regional power, it ought to think along the lines of peace and reconciliation with its neighbors, starting with an honest acknowledgment of its own history.

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  1. Speranza
    1 | April 30, 2012 2:01 pm

    Unlike Germany, Turkey has not even acknowledged that there was a genocide.


  2. 2 | April 30, 2012 2:14 pm

    @ Speranza:

    You mean Turkey.


  3. Speranza
    3 | April 30, 2012 2:15 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    You mean Turkey.

    Corrected.


  4. 4 | April 30, 2012 2:16 pm

    The lack of recognition of the Armenian Genocide is a despicable. But they are Christians so our elites don’t care about them.


  5. Speranza
    5 | April 30, 2012 2:16 pm

    I hope Romney rams Erdogan down Obama’s throat in a debate.


  6. MikeA
    6 | April 30, 2012 2:20 pm

    This is a “double-bad” for the liberals.

    1) It was christians that were being killed and the liberals really don’t care about them.
    2) It was muslims that did the killing and did it for religious reasons.

    The liberal would have to deal with 2 facts that is WAY off the narrative that they want to project. When you read about the holocaust, Hitler was encouraged by this since the world did nothing about it he thought he could get away with killing jews.


  7. 7 | April 30, 2012 2:21 pm

    @ Speranza:

    That and the betrayal of Mubarak in favor of the Muslim Brotherhood. Obama said that if an ill wind blew he’d side with the Muslims. It seems to me he is siding with the Islamists both in Turkey and Egypt. And Libya and Iran…


  8. NoThreat2U
    8 | April 30, 2012 2:21 pm

    Don’t yinz know that it is impossible for muslims to ever be the aggressor? They are ALWAYS the victims. Buncha damn islamophobes.//


  9. 9 | April 30, 2012 2:22 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Don’t count on it. Romney views Turkey as an ally. Romney supports the Arab Spring. This is a bi-partisan problem and shows the influence of the Arab-Islamic lobby.


  10. 10 | April 30, 2012 2:23 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    So did the Republican Party Establishment. This is beyond Obama but an elitist problem in Washington.


  11. Lily
    11 | April 30, 2012 2:24 pm

    Well with the Muslim Brotherhood WELCOMED at the White House with this president I do not see that this genocide will ever be brought up to Turkey at all. Not to mention isn’t Turkey on a new embarkment of killing Christians?? Yet the msm think nothing of reporting it or if they do it is on the back pages.

    A friend of mine just recently asked me for help to donate to the nuns in Kenya…little girls are getting raped. Does this have anything to do with is going on in the Sudan??


  12. 12 | April 30, 2012 2:26 pm

    @ Lily:

    Our elites are beholden to Islamic interests. The Muzz say jump, our leaders (both parties) say how high!


  13. Lily
    13 | April 30, 2012 2:26 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Don’t forget in Africa too.


  14. MikeA
    14 | April 30, 2012 2:26 pm

    @ Lily:

    Notice how its the nuns who want to stop this. Do we see any muslim charities doing aynthing about this? ( except maybe perpatrating or encouraging it)


  15. 15 | April 30, 2012 2:29 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Our own leaders have sold us out to the Islamic cause. The Islamic infiltration of both parties and institutions in Washington is deep. We are a defacto Islamic puppet state.


  16. 16 | April 30, 2012 2:29 pm

    @ MikeA:

    Muslim charaties? What charities (other than sponsors of terrorism) are those? I’ve never heard of any. Even the Red Crecent runs munitions into Gaza for the terrorists. There are no Muslim charities, as we would recognize such things.


  17. Guggi
  18. Lily
    18 | April 30, 2012 2:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    Don’t count on it. Romney views Turkey as an ally. Romney supports the Arab Spring. This is a bi-partisan problem and shows the influence of the Arab-Islamic lobby.

    This may change as Turkey changes into a Muslim Brotherhood hell-hole.
    Now remember you thought the Hispanics were in the bag for obama yet this didn’t come to fruitation. You know why??? Because bho has been attacking the Catholic Church who for the first time in my life is hitting back politically hard. Let’s at least see what Romney plans to do. I know, I know…you don’t like Romney. But lets see what he does …so far he seems to be hitting bho back. He appears to actually be going to fight bho and not roll over like McCain. I look at it this way Romney will be evolving through out this election and hopefully in a good way.


  19. 19 | April 30, 2012 2:33 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Suicidal.


  20. Lily
    20 | April 30, 2012 2:33 pm

    MikeA wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Notice how its the nuns who want to stop this. Do we see any muslim charities doing aynthing about this? ( except maybe perpatrating or encouraging it)

    The only thing that muslim charities do is help fund terrorists.


  21. 21 | April 30, 2012 2:35 pm

    @ Lily:

    I’m going by Romney’s statements. He views Turkey as an ally and he supported the Arab Spring. His main foreign policy adviser is Robert Kagan, who is a Saudi lackey.

    Nothing will change here in this regard.


  22. Lily
    22 | April 30, 2012 2:35 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Insanity.


  23. 23 | April 30, 2012 2:35 pm

    @ Guggi:

    They’re Marxists who happen to be Jewish. SO they are rallying to their Pharaoh.


  24. 24 | April 30, 2012 2:36 pm

    @ Lily:

    They are Marxists first. They just happen to be Jewish.


  25. MikeA
    25 | April 30, 2012 2:36 pm

    @ Lily:

    and being allowed to have sex with your dead wife… And they believe in equal rights since women will be allowed to do the same with their dead husbands.


  26. Lily
    26 | April 30, 2012 2:38 pm

    @ Rodan:

    There is always hope. Either way Romney is a hell of lot better than who he is running against. Hope this will change.


  27. Lily
    27 | April 30, 2012 2:40 pm

    MikeA wrote:

    @ Lily:

    and being allowed to have sex with your dead wife… And they believe in equal rights since women will be allowed to do the same with their dead husbands.

    Insanity. What woman would want to have sex with their dead husband and to be frank it can’t be done. Yet these sicko’s actually can have sex with their dead wives. There is no sin that Islam doesn’t embrace and turn it around and call it a virture. Says a whole lot about what that so-called religion is all about. They don’t worship God they worship the devil.


  28. Lily
    28 | April 30, 2012 2:42 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    They are Marxists first. They just happen to be Jewish.

    I honestly don’t understand this. Especially given the history on how Marxism has treated the Jewish people in the past. It is all there to be known …. in history.


  29. 29 | April 30, 2012 2:44 pm

    @ Lily:

    When it comes to Islam, there’s very little difference in the 2 parties. Both the GOP and Democrats supported the Libyan War, The Arab Spring and both want war in Syria to help the Muslim Brotherhood. In this regards, Romney is not better than Obama. On economic and fiscal issues, that’s where Romney is slightly better. But on foreign policy in regards to Islam, no difference.


  30. 30 | April 30, 2012 2:45 pm

    @ Lily:

    Buzzsaw can explain it.


  31. Lily
    31 | April 30, 2012 2:49 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I honestly don’t think Romney is as lovey-dovey with Islam as bho is.
    Bho has taken it to a new whole level. I understand where you are coming from. But all the damage done in the past years cannot be undone overnight. It will be step by step.


  32. 32 | April 30, 2012 2:52 pm

    @ Lily:

    Romney wants to to help the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria. How is that different than Obama?


  33. NoThreat2U
    33 | April 30, 2012 2:54 pm

    Lily wrote:

    MikeA wrote:

    @ Lily:

    and being allowed to have sex with your dead wife… And they believe in equal rights since women will be allowed to do the same with their dead husbands.

    Very well put Lily.

    Insanity. What woman would want to have sex with their dead husband and to be frank it can’t be done. Yet these sicko’s actually can have sex with their dead wives. There is no sin that Islam doesn’t embrace and turn it around and call it a virture. Says a whole lot about what that so-called religion is all about. They don’t worship God they worship the devil.


  34. darkwords
    34 | April 30, 2012 2:54 pm

    Althouse posts about Liberals abusing twitter Genocide is never far away if people aren’t vigilant. Obama and Ayers would probably love to OK it for select populations if they could get away with it. Obama is all about getting away with it in many areas of government.


  35. Speranza
    35 | April 30, 2012 3:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Don’t count on it. Romney views Turkey as an ally. Romney supports the Arab Spring. This is a bi-partisan problem and shows the influence of the Arab-Islamic lobby.

    Not. Good.


  36. Lily
    36 | April 30, 2012 3:03 pm

    @ Rodan:

    He isn’t the president yet. Things could change. So leaving bho in office for another 4 years would be better than Romney simply because Romney has expressed maybe helping out Syria?
    Didn’t bho say if an ill-wind blew he would side with the Islamists? I don’t remember Romney saying this. Of course I don’t agree with Romney even remotely saying this, at all. But the main goal, the most important goal is kicking bho out of office not tearing down the man that is running against him and if we manage to get bho out of office then we can hold Romney’s feet to the fire. As Dorian said Reagan wasn’t Reagan in 1980. Right now my main objective is to get this rogue president out of D.C. and all his merry marxists. Right now this should be the main goal. Of course I agree with you on the fact that I wish we had someone different than Romney. But we don’t. We have what we have.


  37. Speranza
    37 | April 30, 2012 3:03 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    That and the betrayal of Mubarak in favor of the Muslim Brotherhood. Obama said that if an ill wind blew he’d side with the Muslims. It seems to me he is siding with the Islamists both in Turkey and Egypt. And Libya and Iran…

    He is a fool and despite being told how smart he was by the MSM -- a complete moron.


  38. Speranza
    38 | April 30, 2012 3:04 pm

    Lily wrote:

    He isn’t the president yet. Things could change. So leaving bho in office for another 4 years would be better than Romney simply because Romney has expressed maybe helping out Syria?

    Leaving BHO in for another four years will signal the death of the West.


  39. 39 | April 30, 2012 3:08 pm

    @ Lily:

    I’m just speaking the truth. With regards to the Arab Spring and Muslim Brotherhood agenda, there is NO difference between Romney and Obama. That is the truth.
    Both supported the Islamic revolts in Tunisia, Libya and Egypt. Both support the Islamists in Syria.

    As Dorian said Reagan wasn’t Reagan in 1980.

    Romney is no Reagan and Obama is no Carter. I am going to vote against Obama, but where I disagree with Romney I will speak out. He is wrong on the Arab Spring and he needs to get called on it.

    There are areas where Romney will be an improvement over Obama, this is not one of them.


  40. 40 | April 30, 2012 3:09 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The West is dying Obama or not.


  41. Lily
    41 | April 30, 2012 3:10 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    He isn’t the president yet. Things could change. So leaving bho in office for another 4 years would be better than Romney simply because Romney has expressed maybe helping out Syria?

    Leaving BHO in for another four years will signal the death of the West.

    Excatly!! It would be the horrors of horrors visited upon the United States. Look at how much he has accomplished in the 3 1/2 years he has been in the White House. How will he govern with out a leash?
    He already is going around congress, he has all ready broken numerous laws, he spends tax-payers money like water running through his hand.
    He.Has.To.Go. Like yesterday.


  42. darkwords
    42 | April 30, 2012 3:12 pm

    @ 39 Rodan: The Arab spring issue to me is the desire of people for self rule as they watch the rest of the world do it on TV. Unfortunately, the Arab street is essentially a bunch of ignorant religious bigots who think they are smart and wise. Letting a despot run them is the best solution for the West, but the times of headmen leading a country through force are coming to an end. The last dead ends of the earth are slowly grouping up into political entities.

    The west can only try and steer that work or work to undermine the group leaders until the right set comes along.

    Hanging onto a coughdaffy or a murabak is trying to swim upstream. It’s not the right approach anymore. But we shouldn’t let Obama abuse the turnover.


  43. 43 | April 30, 2012 3:14 pm

    Here’s a beautiful tune, sung in Armenian. Title is “A Distant Sadness” and is written by Bear McCreary, sung by Raya Yarbrough.
    [Plunks down 10,000 Quatloos to The Osprey]

    A distant and familiar sadness calls to us
    As if carried on the wind, like burning sand
    Brothers and Sisters, away, you endure
    Stranded on our own land
    A memory etched into soul and skin
    Leaves a scar that never heals.
    Our family is strong, but scattered
    Across the stars and fields
    We will not abandon you
    We will not forget you
    We will return for you.


  44. darkwords
    44 | April 30, 2012 3:14 pm

    View Islam as a vampire. Find the cultural stake to drive into the heart of the old men imans. Shine some light on them make them die.


  45. 45 | April 30, 2012 3:15 pm

    @ darkwords:

    We tipped the balance to Islamisst in Libya. Had we not gotten involved, Qaddafi would have crushed them. The point is stay out and let these people kill each other. Instead we are supporting the Islamists.


  46. darkwords
    46 | April 30, 2012 3:16 pm

    Armenia needs to make a common cause with the Holocaust and The Killing fields. Hopefully karma will bite Turkey in the ass.. Again.


  47. Lily
    47 | April 30, 2012 3:16 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I am not saying you aren’t speaking the truth. But I think Romney will govern differently than you think. As far as the West dying..that is up for grabs. Europe has a lot of problems and yes they are their death bed it seems. But we are not Europe. Not at all.
    Right now we need to focus on the number one thing is to boot bho out of the White House. This election is different than any other election I have ever seen. Anything can happen. We are at a crossroads as a Nation. Pray to God that this country makes the right desicion. Right now bashing Romney isn’t doing any good … he is who we have. No two ways about it.


  48. darkwords
    48 | April 30, 2012 3:17 pm

    One thought is that if we completely pull out of the Middle East except for Israel. The muslims will begin to fight themselves again.


  49. darkwords
    49 | April 30, 2012 3:17 pm

    @ 45 Rodan: lol GMTA. I just posted the same thought.


  50. yenta-fada
    50 | April 30, 2012 3:17 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    The West is dying Obama or not.

    This is the rise of the East and the decline of the West. There used to be an automatic anti-Communist point of view in North America. Now the Communists have indoctrinated the middle class and taken over the White House. They seek an international elite class who owns ALL of the marbles. There is no ‘equality’ in the equation except among the brainwashed. This includes the intelligensia as useful idiots. The U.S. dollar is in decline and will no longer be the world’s reserve currency.


  51. yenta-fada
    51 | April 30, 2012 3:20 pm

    On topic, I have an Armenian friend who hates the Turks, but thinks the Palestinians are oppressed. She’s very bright, but her leftist views trump logic.


  52. 52 | April 30, 2012 3:20 pm

    @ darkwords:

    That’s my attitude!


  53. Lily
    53 | April 30, 2012 3:22 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    On topic, I have an Armenian friend who hates the Turks, but thinks the Palestinians are oppressed. She’s very bright, but her leftist views trump logic.

    Sounds like she is very confused and brain-washed concerning the Palestinians.
    /certainly I do not mean to insult your friend {yenta}!


  54. 54 | April 30, 2012 3:22 pm

    @ Lily:

    The next President may get to appoint as many as three Supreme Court Justices. For all his faults, I’d much rather Romney be in charge of that than Obama. That alone is enough reason tovote for Romney, but in most everything Romney is better than Obama, even his alligiance to the Mohammedans. We are never going to elect a President that takes a hard-line with Islam. Well, not until we are attacked again. Once that happens, we shall see…


  55. 55 | April 30, 2012 3:22 pm

    I thought I’d mention Turkey is also doing this to the Kurds.


  56. yenta-fada
    56 | April 30, 2012 3:23 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Armenia needs to make a common cause with the Holocaust and The Killing fields. Hopefully karma will bite Turkey in the ass.. Again.

    Marxism makes you feel self-righteous because you are supporting the underdog. It is like a crippling disease to seek your own downfall. Unfortunately, people always ignore history and think that this time, things will be different. Hope. Change. Bullshit.


  57. 57 | April 30, 2012 3:23 pm

    @ Lily:

    America is finished Romney or no Romney. Our elites are beholden to Islamic foreigners. Getting rid of Obama will help a bit in regards to economic and fiscal stuff. But with regards to Islam, no difference between the 2 parties. Both Democrats and Republicans have enabled the Muslim Brotherhood and co-compilict in having Christian bloods in their hands.


  58. 58 | April 30, 2012 3:24 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    We are never going to elect a President that takes a hard-line with Islam.

    Allen West is in the wings.


  59. yenta-fada
    59 | April 30, 2012 3:25 pm

    Lily wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    On topic, I have an Armenian friend who hates the Turks, but thinks the Palestinians are oppressed. She’s very bright, but her leftist views trump logic.

    Sounds like she is very confused and brain-washed concerning the Palestinians.
    /certainly I do not mean to insult your friend {yenta}!

    She has made a lucrative career out of heading leftist organizations. You get to be self-righteous and have a lot of money at the same time. There are lots of those UN type jobs out there in every country. That’s the crucial factor, to go where the money is.


  60. 60 | April 30, 2012 3:26 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    That’s my take. Romney is slightly better than Obama in regards to the courts, economic and fiscal stuff. But his Foreign Policy will be Pro-Muslim Brotherhood like Obama. Its going to take an American city destroyed to change the elites and their love of Islam.


  61. yenta-fada
    61 | April 30, 2012 3:27 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    We are never going to elect a President that takes a hard-line with Islam.

    Allen West is in the wings.

    I pray for his safety. He is a very brave man.


  62. 62 | April 30, 2012 3:27 pm

    @ Rancher:

    Alan West couldn’t win the Presidency today. I like him, I support him, but he couldn’t win. You have to get the votes, win the elections, before you can govern.


  63. 63 | April 30, 2012 3:27 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Yup, well said.


  64. 64 | April 30, 2012 3:28 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Look at how some Republicans got mad when he called out the Progressives for what they really are.


  65. Mars
    65 | April 30, 2012 3:28 pm

    Five reasons why a Romney loss might be great news for Republicans

    More ways to push down the conservative turnout and guarantee an Obama win.


  66. yenta-fada
    66 | April 30, 2012 3:30 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Voting Ozero out of office will help race relations. Inviting Beyonce and black movie stars to the White House is just self-indulgence. Ozero is a crappy role model to young blacks because he is a crook. Allen West is a fantastic role model!


  67. 67 | April 30, 2012 3:33 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Alan West would get about 40% of the vote. That would maybe be enough if you coud get Bloomberg running as a “Center” Leftist and Obama as a hard Leftist, but in a two man race he just can’t get there. That may change in the future, though, if, say, Romney gets in there and does a good job and the economy comes back to where it was under Bush. The MFM would whine about 5% unemployment if the President is a Republican (after all, they did when Bush was President), but the rest of the country would be relieved. I think there is still time to turn things around, but if we have four more years of Obama there isn’t. Four more years of Obama will put us $20+ trillion in debt. Default or hyperinflation are the only options there.


  68. 68 | April 30, 2012 3:35 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Race relations are fine for people my age. Its older people who have the problems. Nothing has changed with me and my Black acquaintances. Obama needs to go because he is an outright 3rd World Liberation Marxist.


  69. Speranza
    69 | April 30, 2012 3:35 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Five reasons why a Romney loss might be great news for Republicans
    More ways to push down the conservative turnout and guarantee an Obama win.

    Probably written by some Democrat.


  70. 70 | April 30, 2012 3:36 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Obama needs to go. I am just telling people don’t expect much difference from Romney in regards to the Muslim Brotherhood. He will get us involved in Syria.


  71. 71 | April 30, 2012 3:36 pm

    @ Mars:

    He’s struck a distressingly bellicose tone on national defense, proclaiming that he wants a “military so powerful that no one would ever think of challenging it” — never mind that America already spends more on defense than the next 15 nations combined.

    All I need to read. It is a Paulian, right? They aren’t Conservative, they are hard-core Leftists, they are just less in-your-face about the Leftism than Obama is. They don’t want to redistribute wealth, but they want to destroy America as a world power. Count me out.


  72. Lily
    72 | April 30, 2012 3:37 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Lily:

    The next President may get to appoint as many as three Supreme Court Justices. For all his faults, I’d much rather Romney be in charge of that than Obama. That alone is enough reason tovote for Romney, but in most everything Romney is better than Obama, even his alligiance to the Mohammedans. We are never going to elect a President that takes a hard-line with Islam. Well, not until we are attacked again. Once that happens, we shall see…

    Our nation collectively hasn’t come to grips with the fact that what happened on 9/11 was a religious attack. The attackers say it is a religious war…we say it isn’t. We have bent over backwards to show we aren’t Islam haters. We as a nation have not woke up and smelt the coffee yet. Another attack (which I pray doesn’t happen) will be the breaking point. There is no perfect person that will fit the ideal of what one wants in a president. The one thing we do know is we have an atheist (with much love towards Islam) rogue president who is chipping away at all our freedoms with a very large hammer. He also hates the United States and certain people of the United States.He wants to re-shape the United States in to what he thinks it should be think Bill Ayers/Rev. Wright America. This is a un-acceptable situation by all means. It must be dealt with at this election, we as a nation must vote this person out.


  73. Speranza
    73 | April 30, 2012 3:37 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    She has made a lucrative career out of heading leftist organizations. You get to be self-righteous and have a lot of money at the same time. There are lots of those UN type jobs out there in every country. That’s the crucial factor, to go where the money is.

    Of course she probably does not think abut the Kurds and their national rights.


  74. Lily
    74 | April 30, 2012 3:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    America is finished Romney or no Romney. Our elites are beholden to Islamic foreigners. Getting rid of Obama will help a bit in regards to economic and fiscal stuff. But with regards to Islam, no difference between the 2 parties. Both Democrats and Republicans have enabled the Muslim Brotherhood and co-compilict in having Christian bloods in their hands.

    I have hope for this nation. I refuse to give up hope until the fat lady sings.


  75. Mars
    75 | April 30, 2012 3:41 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    The way it was written led me to think it’s probably a Paulbot.


  76. 76 | April 30, 2012 3:42 pm

    @ Lily:

    Charles Johnson will save us!
    ////


  77. 77 | April 30, 2012 3:46 pm

    @ Lily:

    I think we probably will break up in abou t15 years, as the Federal debt comes crashing down, and the debtor states are ejected from the fellowship of the Solvent States, but that doesn’t mean that we should just give up. There may be hope, if we start to turn around now. The problem is, even the relatively mild medicine of the Ryan Budget is called “Extreme” by the Democrats, and they can count on close to 50% of the votes nationally. Just returning to the spending levels of the Clinton Administration is called “Extreme” by the Left, because they WANT us to fail. Default is the first step towards their transformation of America that they so desperately want. That it will impoverish the vast majority of us is considered a benefit by these elites. They will still have their private jets, and that will make them more special in that the rest of us won’t even have private cars.


  78. Lily
    78 | April 30, 2012 3:46 pm

    @ Rodan:

    God help us. It is the Charles Johnsons of this country who are the problem. Blooming idiots the lot of them and CJ is just another nutter in the blooming idiot group that he so much whats attention and love from but just isn’t getting it. Pathetic thy name is cj.


  79. yenta-fada
    79 | April 30, 2012 3:47 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    She has made a lucrative career out of heading leftist organizations. You get to be self-righteous and have a lot of money at the same time. There are lots of those UN type jobs out there in every country. That’s the crucial factor, to go where the money is.

    Of course she probably does not think abut the Kurds and their national rights.

    Sadly, I’ve lost a few friends who are dedicated leftists. You cannot have a conversation with them that is rational. The ones I still have I just don’t talk politics. How can you challenge the underpinnings of someone’s faith? You cannot because it is faith, not reason which animates their belief systems.


  80. 80 | April 30, 2012 3:47 pm

    There is only one thing I can say about Обама and the Demo☭rats frakking up the country the way they have: [Deleted]


  81. yenta-fada
    81 | April 30, 2012 3:49 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    God help us. It is the Charles Johnsons of this country who are the problem. Blooming idiots the lot of them and CJ is just another nutter in the blooming idiot group that he so much whats attention and love from but just isn’t getting it. Pathetic thy name is cj.

    Sad to say, NASTY thy name is Chuck.


  82. Lily
    82 | April 30, 2012 3:51 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    It is a sad state of affairs no doubt. But even huge ships can be turned around. The only problem is that it turns slowly. We as a people cannot give up hope. We do that and yes we are doomed. We as a people need to look to God to help turn this nation around…we don’t do that …. we indeed are doomed. The left seems rabid on the fact of kicking God out of our country. This is unacceptable.


  83. 83 | April 30, 2012 3:51 pm

    @ Lily:

    His little banning gig at Twitter might be coming to an end. Its drawn big people’s attention what him and his gang are doing.


  84. yenta-fada
    84 | April 30, 2012 3:53 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Sweden moves towards a cashless economy. This is another method of centralized control over private transactions.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57399610/sweden-moving-towards-cashless-economy/


  85. yenta-fada
    85 | April 30, 2012 3:55 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    His little banning gig at Twitter might be coming to an end. Its drawn big people’s attention what him and his gang are doing.

    Great interview last night! You gave the guest a lot of time to speak and provide first hand information. EXCELLENT. :-)


  86. Lily
    86 | April 30, 2012 3:55 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    To try and debate them is like hitting your head against a brick wall.
    You bring up actual facts they will tell you they are lies. To put so much faith in a politican tells you excatly where their faith lies in a simple faulty human being. None of us are perfect. Not to mention they go on feelings doesn’t matter whether their feelings are wrong. They just know their feelings are right contrary to the facts. Feelings trump facts.


  87. 87 | April 30, 2012 3:55 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Markets will still find a way, though. I am a firm believer in markets. Still, I wouldn’t want to see us go cashless. It puts too much control in the hands of the authorities…


  88. 88 | April 30, 2012 3:57 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Thank you! I did love the conversation with Mao’s Kitchen!


  89. Lily
    89 | April 30, 2012 3:58 pm

    @ Rodan:

    He is insane and so are most of the people who post on his site.
    Unbelievable how he trashed his own site to bend to the knee of bho.
    Leftism=insanity.


  90. 90 | April 30, 2012 3:58 pm

    @ Lily:

    Or they try to ban you from twitter!


  91. 91 | April 30, 2012 3:59 pm

    @ Lily:

    My friend is convinced he should be committed.


  92. yenta-fada
    92 | April 30, 2012 3:59 pm

    @ Lily:

    Religious faith can be a strong unifying principle. One of THE major mistakes the West is making is allowing Islam to hide its political Imperialism behind a quasi Religious imperative.


  93. Alberta Oil Peon
    93 | April 30, 2012 4:00 pm

    @ darkwords:
    Nothing wrong with a literal stake, either. Imams, mullahs, ayatollahs, and muttaween are all part of the command and control apparatus of the islamic cult, and killing them would be no worse than killing SS members.

    Obviously, I am speaking of the imperialist, totalitarian brand of imams here, and not peaceful moderate ones, should any be found.


  94. yenta-fada
    94 | April 30, 2012 4:00 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Thank you! I did love the conversation with Mao’s Kitchen!

    Sniper lol. hahahaha


  95. Speranza
    95 | April 30, 2012 4:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    My friend is convinced he should be committed.

    He really has had a breakdown.


  96. Speranza
    96 | April 30, 2012 4:02 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Religious faith can be a strong unifying principle. One of THE major mistakes the West is making is allowing Islam to hide its political Imperialism behind a quasi Religious imperative.

    All under the guise of “tolerance”. They are preaching “tolerance” of the “intolerant”.


  97. RIX
    97 | April 30, 2012 4:02 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    God help us. It is the Charles Johnsons of this country who are the problem. Blooming idiots the lot of them and CJ is just another nutter in the blooming idiot group that he so much whats attention and love from but just isn’t getting it. Pathetic thy name is cj.

    It is the same mentality that formed the Brown Shirts,
    the Hitler Youth & the Young Pioneers.
    Thank God that head case Charlie has no actual power.


  98. 98 | April 30, 2012 4:02 pm

    @ Rodan:

    America is finished Romney or no Romney.

    Bullshit.


  99. Speranza
    99 | April 30, 2012 4:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Or they try to ban you from twitter!

    Is Chris Loesch back up on twitter?


  100. 100 | April 30, 2012 4:03 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Many at LGF are mentally crazy. My friend was convinced it was an insane asylum blog.


  101. Speranza
    101 | April 30, 2012 4:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    His little banning gig at Twitter might be coming to an end. Its drawn big people’s attention what him and his gang are doing.

    Twitter fascism!


  102. 102 | April 30, 2012 4:03 pm

    @ Speranza:

    He was banned again, but he’s back.


  103. yenta-fada
    103 | April 30, 2012 4:04 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Markets will still find a way, though. I am a firm believer in markets. Still, I wouldn’t want to see us go cashless. It puts too much control in the hands of the authorities…

    My definition of inflation is cutting the dollar in half without bending the paper. The international price of oil is quoted in U.S. dollars. It may not always be that way. Besides, you could say that the value of the dollar is declining, not that the price of oil is going up.


  104. Speranza
    104 | April 30, 2012 4:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Many at LGF are mentally crazy. My friend was convinced it was an insane asylum blog.

    ProLifeLiberal, Curious Lurker, Critical Dragon, Gus 802, SanFrancisco Zionist, Spacejesus, Obdicut, et al -- what is crazy about them? lol


  105. 105 | April 30, 2012 4:05 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    So how will Romney save this nation?


  106. Lily
    106 | April 30, 2012 4:05 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    My friend is convinced he should be committed.

    Him and a bunch of others. He is only speaking the leftist point of view. They all sound nutty. Trying to bend over backward to support bho and his destroying of our country. He wouldn’t know evil if it came up and bit him on the ass. That is the problem. People can no longer tell the difference between good and bad. What happens is bad is good and good is bad. Think about it. This is cj’s theme.


  107. 107 | April 30, 2012 4:05 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    He supports the Muslim Brotherhood like Obama.


  108. 108 | April 30, 2012 4:06 pm

    @ Speranza:

    He really thought it was an insane asylum blog.


  109. Speranza
    109 | April 30, 2012 4:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    He really thought it was an insane asylum blog.

    And a couple of years ago it was worse with Honorary Yooper, Wild Irish Rose, Reginald Perrrin, etc.


  110. Speranza
    110 | April 30, 2012 4:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    He was banned again, but he’s back.

    Twitter is going to get tired of one Charles F. Johnson.


  111. Lily
    111 | April 30, 2012 4:09 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Religious faith can be a strong unifying principle. One of THE major mistakes the West is making is allowing Islam to hide its political Imperialism behind a quasi Religious imperative.

    Ignorance and secularism do not go well together. They think it is freedom from religion, it is freedom of religion. They have brain washed themselves into thinking that it is a few extremists in Islam that are causing the problems and that all religions are equal and all religions have extremists. They have no clue of the tenets of different religions. They are deaf, dumb and blind in this regard.


  112. yenta-fada
    112 | April 30, 2012 4:10 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Religious faith can be a strong unifying principle. One of THE major mistakes the West is making is allowing Islam to hide its political Imperialism behind a quasi Religious imperative.

    All under the guise of “tolerance”. They are preaching “tolerance” of the “intolerant”.

    Exactly. That’s also how you get the hierarchy of ‘victim’ groups with identity politics. Part of the reason Jews can vote for Ozero is that Jews do not see themselves as victims. This is despite the fact that anti-Semitism has run rampant through the ages. Our strength may be a weakness, if you know what I mean.


  113. 113 | April 30, 2012 4:10 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yes, they are aware of his antics.


  114. Lily
    114 | April 30, 2012 4:11 pm

    @ RIX:

    Indeed Rix, indeed.


  115. yenta-fada
    115 | April 30, 2012 4:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    He really thought it was an insane asylum blog.

    That’s pretty funny.


  116. 116 | April 30, 2012 4:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    So how will Romney save this nation?

    I assume by spending a huge portion of his time jumping ugly with some has-been blogger.

    Do you ever read what you’ve typed before hitting “submit”?


  117. Lily
    117 | April 30, 2012 4:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:

    So how will Romney save this nation?

    It is the people of this nation. Not one person that will turn this thing around.


  118. 118 | April 30, 2012 4:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Charles Johnson will save us!
    ////

    We don’t need to be saved, we just need to wake up and do what is right. Barack Obama CANNOT destroy America, at the worst all he can do is force another bloody civil war on us. America isn’t doomed, it just in for a tough slog.


  119. 119 | April 30, 2012 4:14 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Actually, I have found Leftists Jews are into the victimhood stuff. They always use past history to bash others. I have seen it first hand……
    AT LGF!


  120. yenta-fada
    120 | April 30, 2012 4:14 pm

    @ Lily:

    If Muslim countries did not have oil, they would have little money or power. The heroine trade is the other key source of wealth. I have read that Iranians are central to the international trade in meth. They only destroy, they do not create like the West.


  121. Lily
    121 | April 30, 2012 4:16 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Charles Johnson will save us!
    ////

    We don’t need to be saved, we just need to wake up and do what is right. Barack Obama CANNOT destroy America, at the worst all he can do is force another bloody civil war on us. America isn’t doomed, it just in for a tough slog.

    Yep. I personally hope it doesn’t come to that either, we don’t need another bloody civil war. Dear heavens….


  122. yenta-fada
    122 | April 30, 2012 4:16 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Actually, I have found Leftists Jews are into the victimhood stuff. They always use past history to bash others. I have seen it first hand……
    AT LGF!

    Yeah, but LGF is an insane asylum. Leftist Jews are generally much more functional than that!


  123. 123 | April 30, 2012 4:19 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Even in real life, I met plenty of Leftist Jews that play the victim role. They bring up 500 years stuff to trash Catholics. Then when you counter argue, they call you an anti-Semite. Its the same nonsense Black Obamabots play.


  124. yenta-fada
    124 | April 30, 2012 4:19 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Charles Johnson will save us!
    ////

    We don’t need to be saved, we just need to wake up and do what is right. Barack Obama CANNOT destroy America, at the worst all he can do is force another bloody civil war on us. America isn’t doomed, it just in for a tough slog.

    I agree. The American ability to quickly adapt is remarkable. Adaptation is the key to survival.


  125. 125 | April 30, 2012 4:20 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    I got an interview with Breitbart and RS McCain, did you?


  126. Da_Beerfreak
    126 | April 30, 2012 4:23 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    @ Lily:
    The day the ‘EBT’ cards stop working is the night the guns come out… :evil:


  127. Lily
    127 | April 30, 2012 4:23 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    The problem is we are slow to wake-up. But when we do there in lies the key to the United States and what will be our strong point.
    I think with bho being our president and all what he is doing has woke up a large majoraity of us. I don’t we are doomed. It may be a rough patch for sure. But we aren’t doomed.


  128. yenta-fada
    128 | April 30, 2012 4:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Even in real life, I met plenty of Leftist Jews that play the victim role. They bring up 500 years stuff to trash Catholics. Then when you counter argue, they call you an anti-Semite. Its the same nonsense Black Obamabots play.

    They are ignorant of history then. Old tribal rivalries die hard. We see it all the time. Like you say about black/white relations between people your own age; that generation has mostly moved up the scale of social evolution.


  129. Lily
    129 | April 30, 2012 4:25 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    With gun sales going through the roof…says a lot about what the sane Americans think of bho. We as a nation made a huge ass mistake.
    I say we because we are all in this mess.
    /I for sure knew what this commie was all about.


  130. 130 | April 30, 2012 4:26 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Hey any OWS May1st “Popular Uprising ™” being planned by your parts?


  131. 131 | April 30, 2012 4:28 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    @ Lily:
    The day the ‘EBT’ cards stop working is the night the guns come out…

    If that’s the case, it’s going to be a very short Bloody Civil War. those of us on the right have been buying guns and ammo, the left… Porn, dope, beer and hookers.


  132. Lily
    132 | April 30, 2012 4:32 pm

    Off topic…but good news…I am going to have another grandbaby…


  133. yenta-fada
    133 | April 30, 2012 4:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Hey any OWS May1st “Popular Uprising ™” being planned by your parts?

    We have more than our share of Socialist/Muslim/Jew-hating large Unions. They are government unions for the most part. The whole NDP socialist party loves this crap.


  134. m
    134 | April 30, 2012 4:34 pm

    @ Rodan:

    It is bigger than him. Have faith in us!


  135. Speranza
    135 | April 30, 2012 4:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Actually, I have found Leftists Jews are into the victimhood stuff. They always use past history to bash others. I have seen it first hand……
    AT LGF!

    Just like Ethel Rosenberg did in 1953, they don’t give a shit about Jews (she supported the vile Jew hater Joseph Stalin) but when they themselves are under attack, they play the “I’m just a poor Jewish house wife” routine to get sympathy.


  136. m
    136 | April 30, 2012 4:35 pm

    @ Lily:

    Yes, that!

    ~:)


  137. yenta-fada
    137 | April 30, 2012 4:35 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Off topic…but good news…I am going to have another grandbaby…

    {{Lily}} That’s wonderful news! I hope this baby is close enough to where you live that you can spoil him or her. :-)


  138. Speranza
    138 | April 30, 2012 4:35 pm

    m wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    It is bigger than him. Have faith in us!

    Give Obama another four years and there may not be much worth saving in 2016. This is not the time for rigid ideological purity tests.


  139. Lily
    139 | April 30, 2012 4:37 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Oh indeed. Just a few blocks away. ;)


  140. 140 | April 30, 2012 4:38 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That’s exactly what I am talking about!


  141. citizen_q
    141 | April 30, 2012 4:38 pm

    @ Lily:
    Congratulations!


  142. Speranza
    142 | April 30, 2012 4:39 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    I got an interview with Breitbart and RS McCain, did you?

    I really enjoyed R.S. McCain last night. He is a bit too much the social con for me but he is an engaging observant fellow. It was R.S. McCain who came up with Charles’s Lakota moniker “He who fights with girls”.


  143. 143 | April 30, 2012 4:39 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    SO they are joining OWS for their “Day of Action” ?


  144. 144 | April 30, 2012 4:40 pm

    @ Lily:

    Congrats!


  145. yenta-fada
    145 | April 30, 2012 4:40 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    @ Lily:
    The day the ‘EBT’ cards stop working is the night the guns come out…

    If that’s the case, it’s going to be a very short Bloody Civil War. those of us on the right have been buying guns and ammo, the left… Porn, dope, beer and hookers.

    You gave up beer??????


  146. Lily
    146 | April 30, 2012 4:42 pm

    @ Rodan:

    @ citizen_q:

    Thanks, they are hoping for a boy this time.
    Don’t give up on this country. The younger set hasn’t and we can’t let them down.


  147. yenta-fada
    147 | April 30, 2012 4:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    SO they are joining OWS for their “Day of Action” ?

    Of course. Trudeau was an effen Marxist and great friend of third world dictators.


  148. 148 | April 30, 2012 4:43 pm

    @ Speranza:

    It was interesting hearing about Charles attempt at character assassination.


  149. 149 | April 30, 2012 4:44 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Trudeau was an icon to the 3rd World Liberation Movement.


  150. Speranza
    150 | April 30, 2012 4:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    That’s exactly what I am talking about!

    I saw a documentary a while back on the Rosenberg’s and when I saw (actually a letter of hers was read) Ethel played “the Jewish card” to avoid the hot seat by claiming to be a “poor Jewish house wife” that really pissed me off. Ethel and her husband Julius would have collaborated in the deaths of tens of thousands of Jews if Joseph Stalin willed it.

    In 1952, 11 Jews were hanged by the Czechoslovak Communists on trumped up charges (they actually were all loyal communists) on the order of Stalin in an infamous purge/show trial, the so called “Slansky or Prague trial(s)“. Communists throughout the world (such as Julius and Ethel Rosenberg) supported it even though the trials were blatantly anti-Semitic in nature and tone.


  151. m
    151 | April 30, 2012 4:45 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Exactly. Four more without those gawd-awful voters snipping at his heels, too.


  152. m
    152 | April 30, 2012 4:45 pm

    @ Lily:

    YAY!


  153. 153 | April 30, 2012 4:46 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Marxism is a disease of the brain.


  154. Lily
    154 | April 30, 2012 4:47 pm

    @ m:

    Hope springs eternal! There is still life in this country yet.
    /another precious baby says so much!


  155. RIX
    155 | April 30, 2012 4:48 pm

    @ Lily:
    Congratulations! I assume that the name Barack is
    off of the table./


  156. Speranza
    156 | April 30, 2012 4:48 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Marxism is a disease of the brain.

    It is a pernicious malignancy.


  157. yenta-fada
    157 | April 30, 2012 4:49 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Trudeau was an icon to the 3rd World Liberation Movement.

    We are still paying every day for his Charter of Rights and Freedoms. We wouldn’t have the remaining kangaroo courts for Human Rights without that foundation. We wouldn’t be paying jizya to homegrown and immigrant terrorists either in the form of massive financial settlements. Don’t get me started. lol


  158. Mars
    158 | April 30, 2012 4:50 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Porn is now available for free on the internet. /Just Sayin


  159. Lily
    159 | April 30, 2012 4:50 pm

    @ RIX:

    :lol: Catholics, nope I don’t think that name will be cursed upon the baby. Quite the opposite I imagine.


  160. Speranza
    160 | April 30, 2012 4:50 pm

    m wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Exactly. Four more without those gawd-awful voters snipping at his heels, too.

    You can see how lousy he is when he has to run for re-election, imagine how bad he will be unfettered by having to run again! His off the cuff statement to President Medvedev of Russia that was caught on the open mic is chilling.


  161. Speranza
    161 | April 30, 2012 4:51 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    We are still paying every day for his Charter of Rights and Freedoms. We wouldn’t have the remaining kangaroo courts for Human Rights without that foundation. We wouldn’t be paying jizya to homegrown and immigrant terrorists either in the form of massive financial settlements. Don’t get me started. lol

    Whatever happened to his play girl wife Margaret Trudeau?


  162. Lily
    162 | April 30, 2012 4:53 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    m wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Exactly. Four more without those gawd-awful voters snipping at his heels, too.

    You can see how lousy he is when he has to run for re-election, imagine how bad he will be unfettered by having to run again! His off the cuff statement to President Medvedev of Russia that was caught on the open mic is chilling.

    Very chilling. He can give lee-way to the Russians, but no lee-way to our religious tenets. Says so much to me.


  163. RIX
    163 | April 30, 2012 4:53 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Catholics, nope I don’t think that name will be cursed upon the baby. Quite the opposite I imagine.

    Praise the Lord! Can I get an Amen?
    I am a Papist too.


  164. Lily
    164 | April 30, 2012 4:55 pm

    @ RIX:

    Amen!! :)


  165. Speranza
    165 | April 30, 2012 4:55 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Very chilling. He can give lee-way to the Russians, but no lee-way to our religious tenets. Says so much to me.

    Loves Russia and the Arab/Islamic world -- hates Israel, Britain, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic and ultimately America. Anyone who sits this election out ought to be ashamed.


  166. Lily
    166 | April 30, 2012 4:59 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The only ones that I can give any credit to sitting this election out are the ones that just can bring themselves to vote for bho like they did last election, but still can’t bring themselves to vote for anyone with an R behind their name. Other than that yeah anyone who sits this election out should have a sign around their neck with a big red A for ashamed.


  167. yenta-fada
    167 | April 30, 2012 5:02 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    We are still paying every day for his Charter of Rights and Freedoms. We wouldn’t have the remaining kangaroo courts for Human Rights without that foundation. We wouldn’t be paying jizya to homegrown and immigrant terrorists either in the form of massive financial settlements. Don’t get me started. lol

    Whatever happened to his play girl wife Margaret Trudeau?

    They divorced and she still lives in Ottawa afaik. Her dopiness has been fully transferred to Justin Trudeau who is a far left Liberal and has NO BRAINS but lots of loony left support due to the family name. It’s obnoxious. The evil that men do live after them…..


  168. 168 | April 30, 2012 5:03 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I don’t think he loves Russia. They have information on him blackmailing him.


  169. yenta-fada
    169 | April 30, 2012 5:03 pm

    Mars wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Porn is now available for free on the internet. /Just Sayin

    Huh? I think you are responding to what Dorian said. lol


  170. yenta-fada
    170 | April 30, 2012 5:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    I don’t think he loves Russia. They have information on him blackmailing him.

    It seems as though Ozero is quite willing to stab the U.S. in the back without being blackmailed. Hello….no Keystone Pipeline from Canada?


  171. citizen_q
    171 | April 30, 2012 5:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I don’t think he loves Russia. They have information on him blackmailing him.

    What more could they have on him that would be so damaging? There is already plenty out there that the MFM is ignoring.


  172. Lily
    172 | April 30, 2012 5:13 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    I don’t think he loves Russia. They have information on him blackmailing him.

    It seems as though Ozero is quite willing to stab the U.S. in the back without being blackmailed. Hello….no Keystone Pipeline from Canada?

    Excatly…he will stab the U.S. in the back every chance he gets.


  173. taxfreekiller
    173 | April 30, 2012 5:14 pm

    The two party evil money cult leaders know we the people no longer trust any of the leadeship.

    They are at work in an attempt to step aound our ownership of the U.S.A. via sniping our rights out of the constitution via the courts and EPA rules ect..

    They want a two class country.

    The ruled and the rulers.


  174. Lily
    174 | April 30, 2012 5:15 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I don’t think he loves Russia. They have information on him blackmailing him.

    What more could they have on him that would be so damaging? There is already plenty out there that the MFM is ignoring.

    Bingo! bho isn’t EVEN TRYING to hide his agenda!!! He thinks he is untouchable, unstoppable and knows the msm is in the bag for him.
    /disgusting


  175. RIX
    175 | April 30, 2012 5:18 pm

    They are discussing Chicago Plans for the NATO
    Summit next month.
    In order to prepare for the Obama shock troops & their
    international comrades hitting the streets the City
    has a Disaster Plan.
    The cops will have hazmat suits available and gasmasks
    for themselves and their horses!
    The City of Milwaukee will be on alert in order to
    supply police and disaster aid if needed. An evacuation
    plan is in place.
    But the real threat is the Tea party, you can ask Chuck.


  176. taxfreekiller
    176 | April 30, 2012 5:20 pm

    Take a good long look at the U.S. Senate.

    Add the known RINO’s to the Democrats.

    Same with the house, why does the Republican speaker of the house not do someting about Eric Holder and the deaths via Fast and Furious.

    Facts count. @ taxfreekiller:


  177. 177 | April 30, 2012 5:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    I got an interview with Breitbart and RS McCain, did you?

    I have no interest in doing so. But why did you bother? America is finished. That’s YOUR declarative sentance -- no conditions. You all must be wasting your time.


  178. Lily
    178 | April 30, 2012 5:28 pm

    @ RIX:

    Oh and they are telling people to take a vacation that week-end because they may not be safe in the apartments. Really??????
    This is just so absurd.


  179. RIX
    179 | April 30, 2012 5:58 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Oh and they are telling people to take a vacation that week-end because they may not be safe in the apartments. Really??????
    This is just so absurd.

    The strategy should be zero tolerance for any criminality.


  180. Speranza
    180 | April 30, 2012 7:40 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Excatly…he will stab the U.S. in the back every chance he gets.

    Following in the footsteps of Franklin Marshall Davis -- his mentor.


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