First enjoy Dan Savage talking passionately with a group of High School Students, paid for of course by the Department of Education, as a part of their anti bullying campaign labeled, “It Gets Better.”
Having been a member in good standing of the political left very early on in my life, I know pretty much all of the asinine mantras that we are likely to hear. violence never solved anything and war is never the answer are among my favorites. Upon growing up, and actually learning a little something about economics, history, and consequences, I gave up being a leftist, (or being wrong about everything,) just prior to graduating from college. The problem with the phrase violence never solved anything is that in the real world, it is just not true. In fact, violence often is the only thing which can solve some problems. Wringing our hands and crying about bullying will only serve to embolden the bullies, most especially since they get a rise in their good feelings by inflicting fear upon their victims. So, when they see a national whine fest like the one in the video, their reaction is not going to be, “golly, I did not know I was causing so much angst amongst my fellow human beings. Maybe I should rethink my life.” The reaction is more likely to be, “hey, I got a lot of people to be afraid of me. I really am somebody.” The answer for people who seek validation in bullying others is to not allow them to find that validation.
Imagine if the Department of Education spent the money wasted on Dan Savage’s approach to purchase karate lessons for every child in America identified as a potential target instead. Standing up to bullies is what stops bullying. This is something which was understood by people who existed prior to the 1970′s. It is also a valuable lesson for children to learn, as adults are also capable of bullying. The only difference is that adults bully in different manners, but the methodology for stopping it is the same. Standing up to the bullies, and giving them a dose of their own medicine rather than validation is what will put an end to it. As Dennis Miller once asked, “do we really want to send our children into the world completely unprepared for the shit storm that is adult life?”
For Mr. Savage I have this to say, what Bible are you reading? In my Bible, the Old Testament, the whole slavery issue was addressed with the parting of the Red Sea and Moses leading the children of Israel away from the slave masters of Egypt. The removal of the tyranny of bondage is kind of the whole point behind the Jewish Holiday know as Passover. In case you have missed its airing every single year since the mid 50′s, go and rent, “The Ten Commandments,” some time. It was a movie directed by Cecile B. DeMille, and is generally regarded as the way an epic movie should be made. Personally, I found the performances of Yul Brynner and Charleton Heston to be over the top, but then that really seems to be just up your alley anyhow.
I have also not read anything about stoning girls for losing their virginity any where in any version of the Bible that I have ever seen. Don’t Murder, (including stoning people to death,) don’t steal, don’t bear false witness, those concepts are all in there however. Putting aside the religious and anti religious arguments, I am sorry that you personally never learned to stand up to the bullies who tormented you during your formative years. While you obviously never learned the lesson of standing up to them in order to stave off their vicious attacks, you also subconsciously learned to utilize this for your own personal validation. Here is my case in point, a video of Dan Savage bragging about his attempts to bully Rick Santorum. The video also highlights other leftists telling us that they feel as though capitulation and appeasement are the preferred methods for dealing with bullies.
Now that these videos of you have gone viral, enjoy your upcoming vacation spot, otherwise known as under Barack Obama’s bus. say hello to the many folks already there.
Cross Posted at Musings of a Mad Conservative.
Sorry for the OT, but here’s a little bit o’ quasi-culture…
Returning to the topic at hand, it is interesting to watch this video by one of Savage’s poor dupes in his “It Gets Better” campaign. The boy speaking killed himself; and, if you watch the video, you can see from his flat, affectless monotone that he is lying throughout his presentation. He might wish that what he was saying were true, but he himself knows it is not.
Dan Savage. Look how many students walked out on him.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
You know I watched this video, and it is sad that someone would take this selfish step. There is a reason why every psych nurse I have ever met, and there are a lot of them with one in the family, loathes the people with borderline dissociative disorder. That reason by the way has nothing to do with the suicide attempts.
The thing about this video is that we will never know if there were, or what else was undoubtedly going on in the belfry known as his mind. this young man obviously had more problems beyond his confusion issues. I refuse to take the responsibility for someone else’s attempt to put an end to their own existence, most especially those whom I have never had the pleasure of meeting.
I can understand why poor Dan Savage is so vehement.
His name, “Daniel,” means “God is my judge.” He’s got a lot to worry about.
His twisting of the Bible is beyond the pale. He is cherry-picking.
Not to mention he has no understanding of the Bible in the least bit. The Bible disagrees with his life-style so it’s all bullshit.
/hypocrite
@ Flyovercountry:
Fair enough; my point, however, is that Savage is collecting kids like the one whose obit I linked to and using them for his own ends. In this, he reminds me of the old South Park where Rob Reiner comes to town, cozies up to Eric Cartman, and is planning to kill Cartman in order to prove that cigarettes are evil.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Yes he does. He loathes bullies, yet when it suits his agenda is all for being a bully and bully tactics.
@ Lily:
I also have a problem with him holding up the behavior of people who use the bible as an excuse to avail themselves of evil as the paragon of what the Bible teaches. The Bible is not a pro slavery document because some slave owners posited the argument that their authority to commit that heinous act was granted in the Bible. Besides being flat out nonsense, evil people are always rationalizing their evil. That does not mean that every document that they hold up really preaches what they claim it does.
The entire anti-bullying movement was put together by the heads of the LGBT movement. It has nothing to do with bullying unless the one being bullied falls under one of those “protected” groups. I know in my area they have begun “protecting” non-gay bullied kids by taking away their recesses.
If you research you’ll see a massive amount of cross-pollination between the gay rights movement and the anti-bullying groups.
@ Flyovercountry:
Evil people will use the Bible to further their agenda. Remember even the devil use quotes from the Bible to tempt.
Lily wrote:
No, he doesn’t “loathe bullies.”
He merely dislikes people whom he has accepted as “gay” and worthy of protection—i.e., those who share his political views in addition to being interested in same-sex coupling—being disadvantaged in any way.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Good point, and one I had not considered.
@ Lily:
It is painfully obvious to me that he is nothing more than the manifestation of the psychological damage perpetuating itself. He has become that very thing that once tormented him. He learned to be the bully by being bullied himself. Victims of child abuse will be the most likely to become abusers. Children who’s parents abandoned them, will be the most likely to abandon their own kids. Literally, Dan Savage is a psychology 101 class.
Don’t get me wrong. No one should ever have to go through bullying, it’s pure hell. But, this isn’t what it’s about.
The “anti-bully” movement works in tandem with the pushing of “transgenderism” to geld and marginalize traditional sex roles.
“Transgenderism”—aka postmodern flesh sculpture—is the ultimate triumph of “feelings” over fact.
“Anti-bullying” ensures that the whiny victim will be able to triumph over his adversary without the necessity of having to fight back himself. One generation of this and there will be no adults for the whiner to run to.
@ Mars:
To which I say, let’s do something actually destined to get results. Let’s give these kids karate, or kung fu lessons. If you want to stop bullying, don’t reward the behavior by validating the bullies. Once they get their asses kicked, that usually puts an end to it. yes there are some who will require a further beating, as they might be slow learners besides, but my method is guaranteed to work about a thousand times better than whining about it.
This guy is one sick puppy. That calls for an Obama
joke, but I won’t go there.
He pushes gay lifestyle & bashes the Bible on our dime.
OK, how about he does some Muslim & Koran bashing?
You know the RoP hangs guys like him.
He talks big when he knows that he is protected, but he is
a typical bully & coward imo.
Savage’s hatred for the Bible is typical of those ignorant and angry leftist homosexuals who wrongly believe that the Bible condemns “being gay,” when what it actually does is condemn certain acts.
I cannot speak for the Christians, but under Jewish law condemnation/conviction for a certain act required the non-conflicting testimony of at least two witnesses. As a practical matter, this means that one can have whatever desires one has, and one can even engage in certain forbidden acts—if they are not witnessed.
I point this out because people like Savage are under the erroneous impression that a third-grade-level reading of a Biblical translation of questionable quality somehow qualifies them to make pronouncements on the meaning of the text.
@ Flyovercountry:
This is not always true. Sadly many people who were abused are so scared because it has been brain-washed into them that they will do the same to their children, they have no children. It is a choice on the persons part to continue the abuse. Sorry I was bullied in school and did not turn to bullying. It made me hyper-aware of other peoples feelings. Criminals have used and lied about their childhoods to get their sentences lessoned. Yes on occasion the abused become abusers but it is NOT a given. I have read many peoples accounts of horrid childhoods and these people become excemptly great people despite the odds in their early childhoods. I have read where adults were given the greatest of childhoods who have turned out to be the most horrid of people.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
This is the crux of the matter. They even go with translations strong on replacement theology and other dissociations from the original Hebrew and Greek. So convenient
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Sin is sin. The Bible condemns cheating on your wife, stealing, bearing false witness against someone too. Sin is not healthy for you, yet we are all sinners. One doesn’t know the heart like God does. I would never even venture that gay people will go to hell. That is between them and God.
@ Lily:
You may have noticed that I used the phraseology of more likely, or most likely. Nothing is certain, and not even better than a 50/50 shot. Everyone faces some bullying in their development somewhere. What differentiates us is how we learn to deal with it. Dan Savage has some obviously unresolved issues. He is also willing to allow harm to come to others in order for him to allow his personal demons free reign to grant what he believes will be satisfaction.
@ Flyovercountry:
This is what is wrong with him, he doesn’t care about others unless he can use them to fit his agenda. Disgusting. I agree he has many issues.
Lily wrote:
Homosexual behavior is very small potatoes—in the Torah, at least (I don’t know the Christian Bible well enough to comment on it). Understandably so, of course—because it is the regulation of relationships between the sexes, and at different levels of consanguinity, which is more important for the perpetuation of a healthy society.
Arguably, the Levitical prohibitions are actually limited to the performance of homosexual acts in the furtherance of idolatry (homosexual orgies were part of the worship in some of the idolatrous cults in the ancient world). This would tie into the prohibition against both men and women working as sacred prostitutes, which appears in Deuteronomy—right next to a prohbition against male and female commercial (as opposed to sacred) prostitutes using their ill-gotten gains to pay their Temple dues.
It is my impression that these prohibitions were expanded during the Hellenistic period, when Greek mores (including idolatry and pederasty) made serious inroads into Hebrew society.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Excatly. It is small potatoes to be honest. Where it goes awry is trying to what is a good word, convert teenagers to become gay, or telling everyone there is nothing wrong with it. Basically I see it as heterosexuals having wanton sex, same difference. Do we encourage teenagers to have sex just because they want it? Now days we do and that is wrong also. But in the end it is between them and God.
Lily wrote:
Good point. The Seventies were the decade where the mores of the gay bar—one-night stands, promiscuity, drug use—broke out of the homosexual subculture and became embedded in the larger society.
It’s almost bizarre to think of it now, but as late as 1968 one of the big national hits in American popular music was…Love Child, a Supremes song in which the woman singing the song refuses to sleep with her boyfriend lest she become pregnant and bear a child out of wedlock, as she herself was born, despite the fact that she recognizes she will probably lose him by refusing.
Four to six years later the whole country was doin’ it in the road.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Remember the slogan, “If it feels good, do it!” Yes that was the 70′s.
We are bearing fruit of that now days and it is rotten fruit.
A few notes. Many bullied kids are special needs individuals so teaching them to stand up to the bullies won’t be very effective. What needs to happen is that other more capable kids need to come to their defense. Easily said but a hard thing to do because you then make yourself a target.
Another thing is that in my day you stood up to the bully and even if you got your but kicked that usually put a stop to it. Now standing up to the bully could get you shot. On the other hand constant bullying can lead kids to snap and shoot up a whole school. The adults are the ones that need to get a handle on this, the teachers and bus drivers. I wonder how many of them are afraid to get involved?
@ Rancher:
Yep.
I left public school by 4th grade. Even in parochial school there was some. Easier to stand in. Kid comes with different coloured socks one day, takes abuse, next day I have different coloured socks:-)
@ Rancher:
Are you referring to Columbine? The two teenagers who shot up that school were not bullied. They were bullies. The msm drummed it into the minds of Americans that the those two shot up the school were bullied, nothing could be further from the truth.
This book, which is very well researched puts to bed all the myths of Columbine.
http://www.amazon.com/Columbine-Dave-Cullen/dp/B004Y6MT96/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1335826269&sr=1-1
@ Rancher:
Which brings up another point. Who’s bright idea was it to put an end to the parents having the right to spank their children. I’m not talking about whacking them around like you’re from the other side or anything, but setting parameters and teaching the kiddies a healthy respect for authority and to have some apprehension for wrong behavior is a must. Those kiddies you speak of with weapons to aid in their bullying efforts I guarandamntee you grew up without any corrective behavior modification at all.
Once in my Woolworth store a mother was beaten senseless by her 13 year old son. When the police came along with the ambulance we called for her, the officer asked her point blank if she had ever spanked her kid. I will never forget, for as long as I live, the absurdity of her looking at the officer from her rolling gurney with blood trickling out of her ear and repeating the phrase, “violence begets violence.”
The officer did not even attempt to hide his laughter. He just blurted out, “dumbass, what do you think you have now?”
Lily wrote:
No, I was thinking Carrie.
(Actually I was thinking Columbine.)
The Left hates religion for two reasons.
First, it allows for the notion that there is an authority higher than man.
Second, all religions make distinctions between acceptable and non-acceptable behavior and have a very efficient mechanism of enforcement that the Left has been trying to co-opt with ever-increasing success; shame.
Global warming, political correctness, bullying, fairness in life, et al. The Left in conjunction with the professional media is using the identical mechanism to enforce their ideologies that they denigrate religion for using.
Flyovercountry wrote:
The ones I’m thinking of grew up with gangster parents. I see sons serving time with fathers and uncles. Those kids never really had a chance.
@ Rancher:
/the link I posted to a great book. The myths and outright lies the msm put out about Columbine makes you just want to wretch.
Lily wrote:
That is the crux of the matter. The homosexual lifestyle is one of one unbridled unrestricted sexual experience after the other. It is promiscuous liaison city. Since homosexual DO NOT REPRODUCE sexually in order to maintain their lifestyle of constant new partnership experiences they need a constantly expanding crop of new partners added to their swimming pool, as it were.
@ Brick:
Absolutely. I’ve been saying for some time that the reason for all of the leftist handwringing about abuse in the Catholic Church is…that the NAMBLA crowd doesn’t want competition, and most importantly doesn’t want competition from a group which recognizes that what has been done is morally wrong—when it actually has been done, that is.
There’s plenty of sexual abuse by teachers in the NYC public school system, but the teachers are kept on at no-show jobs and protected by their union. The Church, when called to account, recognizes that a wrong has been committed; a huge difference, and one which the Left would rather eliminate.
@ doriangrey:
Sex for sex sake. Using your body like a carnival ride.
Lily wrote:
So Michael Moore was lying?
The Bible & slavery
Also
And…
@ Rancher:
Yes.
/Michael Moore also thinks Cuba has a better health-care too!!
Lily wrote:
“It starts as a flirtation and ends up as an expensive habit.”
—Elvis Costello
What a rude jerk. Wow. The arrogance on that guy. His whole tone just screams: “I’m an @sshole! So why don’t you like me?”
Rancher wrote:
The withdrawal, by adults, from positions of enforcement, and their self-tying of their own hands, has brought us to this place.
Time was, it was understood that children fight—and that while this was not desirable, this was permissible, as long as certain basic rules were abided by. Parents, school authorities, police, etc., all understood this.
Now, schools enforce “zero tolerance”—which sounds like a serious ban, until you realize that it treats the instigator and the victim of the instigation the same. The right is not backed up; the social worker, not the policeman, is in the driver’s seat.
@ Urban Infidel:
Don’t forget taxpayers dollars paid for that too. Disgusting.
/I did find that a whole lot of teenagers walking out him is very telling. He calls the Bible bullshit, but he is the one full of bullshit and even teenagers could tell that.
Urban Infidel wrote:
Dan is one of those guys you listen to for 30 seconds and you know he sucked a lot of dicks to get where he is today.
I suppose one could say that the Left has gone from prating about “root causes” to endorsing root gobbler causes…
@ buzzsawmonkey:
What I find horrifing is hand-cuffing of elementary students. Really? You have to go that route? The inmates have taken over the aslyum!!
@ doriangrey:
I couldn’t agree more. But damn the visual image!
@ doriangrey:
@ buzzsawmonkey:
You two are so bad. lol lol
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Never heard that one before. ahhaha
doriangrey wrote:
I don’t really know where he is today, but apparently, he’s got a lot more go!!
@ Lily:
Good thing those kids walked out. It gives me hope.
Lily wrote:
They haven’t just taken over the asylum, they have each and every one declared themselves to be Comrade Napoleon…
Early Dan Savage spotted.
@ Urban Infidel:
It should. From my experience the (kids) are getting sick and tired of adults telling them something bad is good. Not to mention insulting their belief in God. I saw it when my kids were in high school and apparently it is just getting worse.
@ Urban Infidel:
Oh my! Wasn’t he just a sweetheart/not.
/looks like he was a damn bully himself.
Urban Infidel wrote:
surely he was a swirly victim
Lily wrote:
If that picture was taken in the 70′s, then no, he was a hardcore stoner.
doriangrey wrote:
Very good analogy. We really are living the book Animal Farm!
/I just shake my head.
@ doriangrey:
Well I was a teenager from the 70′s never saw a stoner have a button on like that, unless they were pushy little bitches. Not to mention they weren’t bullied.
Usually they feel asleep in class too, because they smoked a joint on their ride to school.
doriangrey wrote:
He was born in 1964; assume, therefore, that the picture was taken around 1981 or 1982.
By that time, anyone wearing a ‘fro like that was a throwback.
Lily wrote:
ROTFLMAO… That button was very popular here in Southern California, I probably have one of it stashed around here from my old high schools days.
It has nothing to do with sexual orientation, and everything to do with attitude of rebellion.
@ Lily:
Not to mention the stoners were in either two groups…the popular group or with the hoods.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
They call it ‘fro-back’. Or a ‘fwo-back’.. depending on your age or sexual orientation.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I made the point a year or so ago. Sexual abuse by teachers, and the ensuing coverups are a plague in the modern school system. There are far more cases than there are of abuse in church. Yet the press remains silent, unless it’s a pretty teacher and her teenage student. Then they almost act as if it’s ok.
Lily wrote:
Never gave it much thought, but that analysis seems to hold true for what I recall about my HS anyway. There were the stoner motor-heads, and the stoner preppies.
@ doriangrey:
That is what I mean. Someone wearing that type of button had a ‘tude.
/pushy…the term little bitches is new and only referred to girls back in the day and really not that often.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Or it means he has older brothers who were born between, say 1957 and 1963 or so. I was born in 61 and had almost that exact same fro at 17. (well, pretty much from the age of 14 until… ???? )
@ Brick:
Excatly and neither got bullied.
doriangrey wrote:
WEll, from his attitude, it sounds as if he’s never had his ass fully kicked.
@ Brick:
motorhead…rocks
There was a point in the 70′s early 80′s where the “permanent” was a popular style in school. Essentially a poorly done white fro. I know I had one for a year or so.
Mars wrote:
Astonishingly little was made of Obama’s “Safe Schools Czar” Kevin Jennings being an admirer of one of the founders of NAMBLA, and of his having started an organization that went into high schools to teach “safe fisting” techniques. Indeed, unlike Anita Dunn or Van Jones, Jennings was not fired but left of his own accord.
In the recent bullying verbiage, it is increasingly clear that, just as “education” means “haranguing and bullying opponents into acquiescence” to leftists, “safe schools” means “pro-gay-rights agenda antibullying initiatives” and has nothing whatsoever to do with actually making schools safe.
@ Mars:
The 70′s fro then morphed into the big hair of the 80s.
Urban Infidel wrote:
So a steady couple with big hair would be “going, two and ‘fro.”
Mars wrote:
On some other conservative forums, hawt female teachers educating mid-teenage boys really breaks the “conservative faction” into two distinct groups.
I for one have no problem with a perceived “double standard” on the issue.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Or if you’re dating Elmer Fudd, a ‘fwo’. See my 65.
Mars wrote:
Sorry, not to defend Dan, cause he is clearly one fucked up puppy, but his hair style isn’t a hair style, it’s the result of a combination of it’s length and how curly it is. Believe me on this one bro, it’s something I know way to much about…
Yea.. I had the same fro and even resorted to ironing my hair as a teenager to get rid of that fro…
@ Urban Infidel:
Yep in the early 80′s guys had that kind of hair style…I should know my youngest brother born 64 and him and all his friends had permnants done!! LOL! It was the style.
Urban Infidel wrote:
ROTFLMAO… Indeed it did…
I sympathize. I can’t let my hair grow too long or I get an all new look everytime it rains.
@ doriangrey:
See that is from the 70′s because hubby ironed his curly hair in high school. But early 80′s they were yes making their hair look like that. I know my little bro is his same age. I remember all the curly hair guys at my house.
@ Lily:
I have pin straight hair. Could never do big hair. It just wouldn’t happen. But I could blow it into the Farrah Fawcett helmet of feathers pretty easily.
UN wants to get women more involved in international conflict resolution.
Yeah, I can really see the Muzz nations jumping behind this.
Mars wrote:
Yea. Kill more women!
@ Urban Infidel:
I have baby fine pin straight hair. Trying to work with it was awful!
@ buzzsawmonkey:
That is one of the saddest videos I have ever watched. I have worked with gay/lesbian people that have been targeted because of their sexual leanings. I became good friends with them. NOONE deserves to be treated as such. Much more to the story, but it makes me really sad and angry at the same time.
In related news, my local news channel just ran a story on an anti-bullying website that just launched in the state. The point of the state is to force the state legislature to pass the anti-bullying bill they rejected last time. Oh look, we’re going to bully people into accepting anti-bullying.
F-ing hypocrites.
Highly religious people are less motivated by compassion than are non-believers
And the attacks continue. This article is total bullshit. All one has to do is look at the numbers for donations and charities. This is obvious to anyone with half a brain.
Also an article just popped up on the news, our state Representative who is running for Senate had his offices vandalized. But, according to the press, both Republicans and Democrats do this.
He’s Republican, and this is the second office of his attacked in a week.
Lily wrote:
ROTFLMAO… Little brothers copying their older brothers without knowing how much their older brothers hated how their hair looked. In the 70′s, we all wanted our hair to look like Robert Plants. Well you have to have really long hair to get that Robert Plant look, and it has to be really curly.
So we grew our hair, and discovered that… It looked like a poorly done fro until it reached a certain length, and only then did it look right. But it had to be well past your shoulders and half way down your back before it looked right.
Urban Infidel is right though, those fro’s did turn into the 80′s big hair, because the only way a lot of the guys could get their really straight Gregg Allman hair to look like Robert Plant or Roger Daltrey was with a ton of hairspray.
@ doriangrey:
You guys back then used more hair spray than girls!! LOL!
doriangrey wrote:
Gimme a head with hair…
Lily wrote:
True, but mostly for a different reason then you think. Stage lights are really hot. You sweat you ass off under them. The hairspray kept your hair from wilting and looking like a wet mop after half an hour.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Oh say can you see, my eyes if you can, then my hairs to short…
@ doriangrey:
Oh I am even talking about guys who never got on a stage. I remember.
Back then guys fussed so much over their hair and those same guys now just shave it off!
Mars wrote:
if you still have or ever had any doubt that this is all about an attack on faith by Godless communists and that we are facing actual evil and not just political differences this would be a good time to lose that doubt.
@ brookly red:
Thankfully I never had any doubt on that matter. They are so open with it too!
Mars wrote:
One of the things that non- and antireligious people ignore/intentionally forget, and that religious people forget/fail to realize, is that part of the purpose of religious practice is to institutionalize the practice of compassion. This is not a bad thing.
One cannot count on people being “moved” by the charitable impulse. Tithing and inculcating the habit of giving, of contributing, of feeling compelled to alleviate or at least address the suffering of others, even if you’d rather roll over and catch forty winks, is one of the great glories of the institutions of religion. Making “charity” a reflex ensures that contributions will be forthcoming.
The reason that the nonreligious have, as a rule, such a vile record of giving is that they have not for the most part institutionalized the charitable impulse.
Lily wrote:
The girls did too. There was a trio in my high school in the late 70′s who would get up at about 4 am just to do their hair, nails, make up, platform shoes and get dressed for HIGH SCHOOL! Their boyfriends would drive them to school in their Trans Ams and Corvettes. LMAO! We called them the Charlies Angels.
OMG! Really????????
Farrakhan: Obama Will Be Assassinated By “Hardcore Racists, Tea Party Zealots” In His Second Term…
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/04/30/farrakhan-obama-will-be-assassinated-by-hardcore-racists-tea-party-zealots-in-his-second-term/
@ Urban Infidel:
Do I remember the days!~ It used to take me hours to get all done up!
Now … no time at all. Back then…everything had to be perfect!
Lily wrote:
I used to think that the gay lobby had co-opted the liberals but I have come to believe that they are actually being used by the left as a shield to hide behind as the left moves “forward” in their real agenda.
@ brookly red:
Yep the leftists co-opted the other for their agenda.
@ Lily:
Second term? What is this ‘second term’ of which he speaks?
Lily wrote:
I guess he doesn’t have much faith, now does he.
Urban Infidel wrote:
It’s right up there with the mother ship.
@ Urban Infidel:
Yes that is what struck me. Has the election already happened and no one told anyone about it??? He seems rather sure of this second term.
@ Lily:
It would take them an hour to put on their jewelry alone! Not me. I would roll out of bed, into my uniform and onto the subway to get to school.
brookly red wrote:
Yup, they are cannon fodder, used like the Iranian children during the Iran-Iraq war, given a plastic key to heaven and sent out to clear minefields by walking on the mines.
brookly red wrote:
The post-Stonewall gay-rights movement was a Maoist movement which had the objective of destroying Western society, starting with—particularly concentrating on—the institution of marriage.
The gay-rights movement has gone from wanting to destroy marriage to demanding marriage as its must-have. I have liberal friends who believe that this is merely because “people have gotten older, and want benefits.” I do not.
I believe that the push for same-sex marriage is a Cloward-Piven strategy aimed at benefits; at the concept of family; and at the ultimate undermining of traditional religion and the First Amendment. For this reason—despite the fact that I know individual same-sex couples who would, pair by pair, make wonderful “wedded couples”—I believe that same-sex marriage should be fought at every turn. These well-meaning individuals are being used as pawns by “advocates” playing a larger game.
@ brookly red:
Sounds like wishful thinking to me. That is the last thing I want to happen and no he certainly doesn’t have much faith.
Lily wrote:
well he did kinda show his hand to the Russians now didn’t he…
@ Urban Infidel:
I certainly didn’t get up at 4 in the morning. I gave myself about 45 minutes at best to get ready for school. Now a date or going out a whole different subject!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
useful idiots
@ brookly red:
Yes he did…shivers.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
And lest we forget. Secular liberals believe that charity begins at Government. Their “compassion” exists only as far as it assists the movement.
Illegal action for a good cause.
Unlike our OWS friends, this guy gets it. Yes, what he does is criminal, but the reasons are good. If people only understood that the RIAA and MPAA exist only to enrich their own attorneys and don’t give a rats ass about the artists, maybe something could be done.
doriangrey wrote:
Oh how true. Who will be the first to “go” in any totalitarian system…
Mars wrote:
Don’t even go there.
Mars wrote:
Also, as far as the power of the government compels them. There have been numerous videos of interviews with left-liberal types who, when asked whether they have given more to the government than required, have indignantly replied that they have not—even though it is from the government that all the blessings they believe in flow.
In short, the institutionalized compassion of the religious donor is far more generous, even if a matter of reflex, than the government-compelled donation of the secular leftist—because the compassion of the religious donor, even if a matter of reflex, is still voluntary.
@ doriangrey:
I’m not a fan of piracy, I just don’t think those organizations are going about it the right way. The artists themselves should be the beneficiaries of their hard work.
Lily wrote:
at the same time as his AG fights voter IDs… this is for real.
Mars wrote:
No.
@ brookly red:
Indeed. I know my state is voting in laws were the federal government cannot over-reach on our gun rights.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/04/30/wind-farms-are-warming-earth-researchers-say/
ROFL
Mars wrote:
I am an ASCAP Member and Publisher and have been for almost 30 years. I’m not trying to insult you, but honestly, you do not know what you are talking about.
Mars wrote:
Granting that, the link you provided does not benefit the artists nor address the problem(s) you raise. And the gentleman’s past service no more excuses his systematic piracy than a teenager’s “I want it, and it’s only stealing from a company” justifies shoplifting at the five and dime.
beer run!
@ 15 buzzsawmonkey:
That point never makes it into the debate that the media sponsors. the people making the ban gay marriage referendums should highlight that thought pattern and then see what the voters vote for. If they all still vote for gay marriage then fine its time has come.
brookly red wrote:
Pick me up a Green Flash Bottling Company “Palate Wrecker” while you’re at it…
@ buzzsawmonkey:
That’s fine. I can see that. However, I was stationed in an area where we were not allowed to bring our own movies, we were not allowed to order them, all we were allowed to do was buy them from the locals and they were all pirated. They didn’t want us to offend the sensitivity of our muslim hosts. Maybe there is a bigger problem there that should be addressed.
darkwords wrote:
How many places have actually “voted for” gay marriage??? Even California rejected it and a liberal GAY judge ruled the law unconstitutional.
Mars wrote:
Then there are problems with those rules.
That in no ways justifies someone else’s theft.
@ 117 Mars: I’m ok if FEMA and the Red Cross stroll into a disaster and help put the place back together. But the real transforming effect of giving and charity occur when an individual does the work of giving and receiving. Giving billions to the Red Cross is a just a band aid. Letting corporations and government do ones giving for one is giving up on a lot of life.
i was reading some left of center blog today and they were smacking Charles Johnson around a bit for his twitter crimes. I started to wonder if the only friends the guy and his blog have left are the denizens at DoD.
Making sure to put a Christian mark on the tower…hmmmm. Good.
World Trade Center Surpasses Empire State Building As Tallest In NYC, Will Mock Empire’s Decision Not To Honor Mother Teresa With Blue And White Lights…
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/04/30/world-trade-center-surpasses-empire-state-building-as-tallest-in-nyc-will-mock-empires-decision-not-to-honor-mother-teresa-with-blue-and-white-lights/
Mars wrote:
Ya think???? Since when are people who you just invaded, blown up their buildings, destroyed their infrastructure, killed their military, and are going house to house rooting out their resistance fighter/terrorists “Your hosts”??? Yea, their is a much bigger problem here, that problem is that way to many of the Orc’s in Mordor on the Potomac have Cranial-Rectal disorder.
darkwords wrote:
If the populace votes for same-sex marriage in a plebiscite or referendum, then one of two things has happened; the society has already collapsed or the population has not been told what the issues are.
Here’s a hint: the equation of same-sex marriage with outlawing miscegenation laws (as was done in the 1960s) is a pernicious lie. SSM is the invention of a new kind of marriage; anti-miscegenation laws were laws which prevented otherwise-marriageable people from wedding based on extraneous factors.
Same-sex marriage is part of the war on maleness; it is part of the war upon the traditional family; and it is, further, aimed at destroying traditional religious denominations, First Amendment be damned.
The gay-rights lobby has already half-destroyed the First Amendment with speech codes, “PC,” and “hate crimes.” Same-sex marriage is the coup de grace.
@ 134 buzzsawmonkey: I would say Obama and Karzai have to work that out. If the afghani’s have that market going and for years and the RIAA hasn’t sued them all, then maybe they are just saying the movie is free to view in the third world. You westerners buy it for them. Obama is like that.
@ darkwords:
I don’t think that time has come. There are legal contracts and civil contracts and wills. It doesn’t mean that marriage is the answer.
What they want to do is destroy what marriage is all about. I can see the law suits now. This church or that church will not marry them because it is against their tenets.
@ 139 buzzsawmonkey: your graphic wording is what is needed on these referendums. self educational. Next time I see the petitions I’ll let them know.
@ 141 Lily: I am thinking we will end up seeing marriages labeled as divine and marriages labeled as not so divine. Right out of the sneethces by Dr. Suess.
…and in other news…..
Octomom says she’ll consider doing porn if the price is right.
She’ll be screwing the taxpayers who will be providing for her and her family if she’s not working -- so, what’s the difference?
The problem with gay marriage today is that it is portrayed as a little ducking with round eyes instead of the folsom st eye opening marriage.
@ Lily:
Not just Afghani’s. I was in Saudi and Kuwait.
@ 117 Mars: someone wrote that he owes about 27 billion in fines now.
@ darkwords:
They also edit out anything considered offensive by Mo.
@ darkwords:
Nope. Not. Going. To. Happen. I don’t ever see the Catholic or Baptist Church EVER cavening into this at all. Marriage in the Catholic church is a sacrament. The Church will put up a hell of a fight. Divine or not divine marriages? The Church will not move an inch on this for the simple fact it is against it’s tenets and the government is not it’s God.
@ Mars: anything normal then is gone from the film.
Anyway Dan Savage seems to be one of those bigoted gays who hates bigots.
@ darkwords:
Understand that “transgenderism”—the utterly fact-free belief that, contrary to your body and its DNA, you are a member of the opposite sex—is completely opposed to the concept of “gay and proud.”
The practice of “transgenderism” is an extreme form of physical self-mutilation sanctioned and practiced by a medical establishment which does not wish to admit that it has no “cure” for this deeply-rooted mental disorder.
Most, but not all, “transgenders” are homosexuals who find self-mutilation to outwardly conform to society preferable to accepting their homosexual inclinations. South Park touched on this in an episode where Mr. Garrison underwent a sex-change operation, and was disappointed to realize that he “was not really a woman,” but decided he’d rather be a fake woman “than a fag.” Brutal, but largely true.
There is also a smaller group of “transgenders” that undergo this surgical process but become “gay” or “lesbian”—e.g., men who become “women” but are still interested in women. These are people who hate their own gender so much that they want to avoid it despite a lack of any same-sex attraction. I know of one such case myself, where a male-to-female “transgender” wanted to remain wed to his wife, by whom he had had two children.
Why would the gay-rights advocates embrace this relatively marginal group—so much so that they have made “transgender” the “T” in the ubiquitous “LGBT?” For several reasons. First, because these lives are so bizarre that they make a sequined drag queen with a beard look almost normal. Second, because these tales of transgenderism, the more frequently they appear in the public press, “normalize” the fringe. Third, and most important, because the tales of men who become “women” but want to stay married, or women become “men” who are nonetheless pregnant, are bollixing up the whole concept of marriage so much that same-sex marriage will seem like a blessed simplification.
In short, the transgenders are the Cloward-Piven shock troops for the push for same-sex marriage. It is for this reason that the gay-rights activists embrace them, even though “transgenderism” is antithetical to the concept of “gay.”
darkwords wrote:
/maybe he should grow a ponytail…
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Me as a lay person having been around a trasgendered person who had a sex change. The vibes…something is seriously wrong.
/just my impression.
Lily wrote:
right, wrong, not important… I put these people in the same category as terrorists. If you think destroying me and my beliefs is necessary for you and your beliefs to exist, we are not friends.
@ brookly red:
No mentally. This person was actually talking to themselves and having a conversation back and forth. It was like there were two people in the same body. Something really wrong. It was a very strange experience to say the least.
Lily wrote:
well that is unfortunate, but it may or may not effect sexual orientation…
it will most likely though effect political alignment.
juss saying.
Lily wrote:
Anybody who thinks that cutting their genitals off, or having their breasts removed and a faux penis constructed, is a really great must-try idea, has, at best, more than a few “issues.”
@ brookly red:
He was gay first before he decided he was a woman in a males body. The whole experience put his mother through hell. I have never seen anything like it.
Lily wrote:
Really.
Play the hand you’re dealt. XX or XY.
@ 154 Lily: The stats on transgender are pretty bad. A lot of depression. Suicide. Non acceptance from family members. There is reason to make society more livable for them. I am not sure on the best path to do that. I do disagree with some of the physical alteration these people want to go through that seems mostly fantasy and permanent.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I would say mentally and spiritually. He/she was a son of a good friend of mine. There were a lot of things going on with that young man/woman.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
hey, it is their business. it only bothers me when they insist on voting more than once.
darkwords wrote:
Why?
Seriously, why?
@ darkwords:
Make society more liveable for them? They need help and they aren’t getting it. Unless you have seen the transformation you have no idea the problems these people have and the doctors cater to them and mutilate their bodies.
brookly red wrote:
Liberty mandates that people be allowed to go to hell their own way—which means that if someone wants to subject themselves to postmodern flesh sculpture for their own delight, that is indeed their business.
Does that mean that such people are entitled in any way to any social accommodation? No.
@ 152 buzzsawmonkey: I couldn’t agree more. The LBGT basically stands for anything goes. No norms. No rules. just let it all hang out. There is a spiritual process missing that they need. and again I don’t know what it is. I tend to lean towards reincarnation and karma effects where their unconsciousness has some jungian emotional pattern going on that dredges up this identity clash. The only real cure for that i believe to be love at all levels of ones being. but that seems almost impossible. Especially in a secular group.
I could see these people being happy if they entered a commune like existence that allowed them to experience the polarity in their personalities as it cycles. And be among like minded people.
Instead of this imposition on an unaccepted majority.
Mars wrote:
The last line tells you all you need to know:
“The meeting began at 10:30 a.m. and adjourned at 11:07 a.m.”
@ darkwords:
Reincarnation? Karma effects?
I would would venture in a different direction on what is wrong with them, but that is me.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
who said accommodation? did I say accommodation?
@ buzzsawmonkey:Not in the form of physical mutlitation. But in the way of society at large drawing up some newer boundary lines for them that lets them exist and work out their problems.
At the negative end of that thought that is an institution. At the other end of that thought there is some other kind of organized structure.
To my knowledge these are seriously disturbed people going untreated. Or treated in a way that is devoid of common sense. Well anyway. I agree the medical professions acceptance of this is beyond foolish.
@ darkwords:
On that I agree with you. The medical profession acceptance of this is beyond foolish.
@ 169 Lily: karma as they speak of it is just the unconscious patterns in the immediate life. Just like the rings on a tree. IMO. It could be called a deep sin that is like a knot on a tree. I see the Christian process as the relief. Or a life in the vices. but lol I am getting off track here. back to your regular political channel.
@ darkwords:
{dark} you are justing whirling around ideas in your head to try and wrap your mind around what is behind it. I understand that. It really is a mind-boggling transformation to behold. I have my ideas on what is behind it, but that is neither here or there.
@ 172 Lily: And i think having a healthy male-female model structure in society is the best way to grow. People that fall outside those norms need to accept they are not norm and have no business trying to politically get normal applied to them. just be different and like it.
Lily wrote:
Follow the money. What ever happened to do no harm? Hey Doc, cut this off for me. Sure, got 25 grand?
@ darkwords:
They are being used by something bigger to break the norms. Where right is wrong and wrong is right.
Rancher wrote:
That and be sued for not understanding God made a mistake and man needs to fix it.
@ darkwords:
You have two choices: Leave them alone to do whatever they want in their own way, as for example Billy Tipton (a woman who spent her life passing as a man, and even “married” in this imposture) did, or decree that they are insane and incarcerate them in some sort of asylum.
The former is probably the better course. It certainly is the one most consistent with the concept of liberty—but it has nothing to do with “society” granting any “accommodation” to anyone.
Liberty means that you have the inestimable privilege of going to hell your own way.
@ darkwords:
From my current understanding of Psychology, the present action is to allow them to “accept” what they are. Yes, their Psychologists and Psychiatrists actually encourage them to get these operations and behave in ways outside the cultural norm.
Lily wrote:
The Canadian taxpayer is on the hook for sex change operations. THAT is an agenda. Don’t even remember how or why same sex marriage was made legal. Just seemed to happen. These are all, ahem ‘back door operations’./// Seriously, wtf.
@ Mars:
Yep.
Mars wrote:
“Acceptance” can mean many things, as “education” can. To a leftist, “education” means “browbeating you until you agree with me”—see the Savage video above for an example.
By the same token, “acceptance” can mean either “you are something outside social norms who will have to make your own way” or “we can chop and channel you to pretend to conform.”
@ buzzsawmonkey:
There doesn’t seem to be a lot of people in Psych trying to get them to “make their own way”. Most advice seems to be that society must accept them the way they are, and that they have no choice about the way they are.
It may be true, but is it really the best way?
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/04/29/Obama-Administration-Dan-Savage
Just coincidentally stumbled this on the internet. Jackasses supporting jackasses.
Mars wrote:
Barack Obama is the metrosexual President: Nice short vid.
http://www.grannyjanandjihadkitty.com/2012/04/barack-obama-is-metrosexual-president.html
Mars wrote:
First, even if they “have no choice about the way they are,” that does not mean society does not have a choice about how it responds to them.
Second, if indeed “they have no choice about the way they are,” this proves that all of psychiatry is a complete scam (not that that is any surprise). Seriously: if the so-called “mental health professionals” are incapable of getting somebody’s male mind in line with their male DNA, or their female mind in line with their female DNA, what the hell are they good for? Why is this considered a “scientific discipline,” or indeed anything other than a joke?
Third, of course there is “a choice.” Lots of people live heterosexual lives and then choose to be homosexual; many others, who are far less publicized (gee, guess why) live homosexual lives and then choose to be heterosexual. The revolving door lets people both in and out.
The “gay” activists don’t accept people unless it serves their purposes; last year, a “gay softball league” in Washington State refused to accept bisexual players (the “B” in that “LGBT” alphabet soup) on the grounds that they “weren’t gay enough.” The whole recruitment drive of ever-younger “education” about homosexual behavior, ever-extended claims that if you slapped somebody on the ass during a football game or “experimented” while on a Boy Scout campout you are really gay, is about forcing people to choose when they are least informed and most vulnerable.
There are always choices. It is the Left—the class-warfare, zero-sum crowd—who, using the language of “choice,” try to keep people from recognizing that they are in actuality free to choose at any time. The religious person recognizes that man has free will, and choices are always being made. The secular leftist babbles about “choice,” but is dedicated to ensuring that a single choice makes a life determination.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Thank you for saying that. I tried discussing that with my Psych professors for most of my time in college and was essentially told, that was untouchable. Just like when I said that evidence seemed to support a link between lesbian/bi-sexual behavior and bi-polar disorder. They said it might be true, but no one would ever write the paper.
Got to git: ‘nite, all.
Those of you who feel like being loquacious elsewhere for a moment can go to the PJM Tatler; I’ve got two “Buzz Ballads” up there at the moment, one of which is linked to in the first comment on this thread.
Mars wrote:
Yes; psychiatry and psychology are cheap whore disciplines, if you will pardon my saying so. Any “science” that can vote on whether or not something is a “disorder” is full of shit.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Much like, Narcissistic Personality Disorder being dropped after the current President was elected.
http://thegohardentrepreneur.com/home-based-business/case-abundance-ted-talk/
Heard this guy on Coast to Coast AM of all places. He is awesome, his view of the future is sure to piss all the liberals off everywhere they might be.
He believes that the future is going to be a wonderful place with enough of everything for everyone. Some of the technologies he details are already being put into place.
Anyone who’s getting depressed about the way things are going should give him a listen to brighten their day. His optimism is amazing and contagious.
I was bullied when I was on third grade or so. That ended because I fought back, as did friends of mine. We fought and knocked out the bullies. We hit them hard, used wolf pack tactics -- bullies were hockey players, older and athletic while we were skinny little nerds. We took them down and humiliated and as a result, we were left alone. Later on, I haven’t had to fight at all, as I know how to take care of myself and I don’t have the victim aura hanging on me.
Regarding Dan Savage and people like him: I bet he hasn’t read bible or any other religious text more than three pages or so. He and his likes keep spewing stuff that have no basis on bible, tanakh, koran or any other texts, but which they had heard from other people who haven’t been reading those texts either. I know that since I used to be like them… until I actually opened those books and started reading. It was only then that I understood both differences between each of those books and the difference between those books and what the left says about them.