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At NRO, Daniel Pipes Take Issue With Gov Christie for Veep

by coldwarrior ( 87 Comments › )
Filed under Elections 2012, Islam, Islamists, Muslim Brotherhood, Politics, Republican Party, Terrorism at May 2nd, 2012 - 8:00 am

I don’t think I could stomach Governor Christie as Veep; not just for his coziness with Islam, but his horrendous record on the Second Amendment.  That said, I would find it highly unusual for a Governor from the Northeast to pick another Governor from the Northeast to run as his Veep so I am not going to get all worked up about this. A Christie Veep makes no Geo-political sense while Christie’s anti-gun views, among other things,  would be a polling disaster out here in ‘Bitter-Clinger’ country.

 

Further detail about the Gov’s islam Problem may be found here.

 

Chris Christie’s Islam Problem
He has repeatedly sided with some nasty characters.

By Daniel Pipes & Steve Emerson

 

A Quinnipiac poll in April showed Chris Christie as the most popular potential Republican vice-presidential candidate, thanks to his budget cuts and standing up to government employees’ unions. But the governor of New Jersey has a problem, specifically an Islam problem, that can and should get in the way of his possible ascent to higher office. Time and again he has sided with Islamist forces against those who worry about safeguarding American security and civilization.

Some examples:

2008: When serving as U.S. attorney for New Jersey, Christie embraced and kissed Mohammed Qatanani, imam of the Islamic Center of Passaic County, and praised him as “a man of great goodwill.” He did this after Qatanani had publicly ranted against Jews and in support of funding Hamas, a U.S. government–designated terror organization, and on the eve of his deportation hearing for not hiding an Israeli conviction for membership in Hamas. In addition, Christie designated a top aide, Assistant U.S. Attorney Charles McKenna, to testify as a character witness for Qatanani.

2010: After Derek Fenton burned three pages of a Koran at a 9/11 memorial ceremony, his employer, New Jersey Transit, got Christie’s approval to fire him. Protecting Islam at the expense of the constitutional right to free speech, Christie endorsed Fenton’s termination: “That kind of intolerance is something I think is unacceptable. So I don’t have any problem with him being fired.” The American Civil Liberties Union successfully represented Fenton to get his job back.

 

2011: Christie appointed an Islamist, Sohail Mohammed, to the New Jersey state superior court. Mohammed’s record includes serving as general counsel to the American Muslim Union (which has stated that a “Zionist Commando Orchestrated The 9-11 Terrorist Attacks”), acting as spokesman for Muslim prisoners who went on a hunger strike after being jailed during Ramadan, defendingPalestinian Islamic Jihad operative Sami Al-Arian (his indictment, Mohammed said, was “nothing but a witch-hunt”), and helping Qatanani’s legal defense. Mohammed established himself not just as the Islamists’ lawyer but as one of them.

When members of New Jersey’s Senate Judiciary Committee asked Mohammed appropriately tough questions about his enthusiasm for Islam’s archaic law code, the Shari’a, Christie ridiculed the lawmakers: “Shari’a law has nothing to do with this [appointment of Mohammed] at all. It’s crazy. It’s crazy. . . . So, this Shari’a law business is crap. It’s just crazy. And I’m tired of dealing with the crazies. I mean, you know, it’s just unnecessary to be accusing this guy of things just because of his religious background.” For this outburst, unsurprisingly, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) thanked and applauded Christie.

2012: The revelation that the New York Police Department had conducted surveillance of Islamists in the New Jersey towns of Newark and New Brunswick prompted not gratitude but outrage from Christie, who termed the action arrogant and paranoid while mocking NYPD Commissioner Raymond Kelly as “all knowing, all seeing.”

In short, Christie has hugged a terrorist-organization member, abridged free-speech rights, scorned concern over Islamization, and opposed law-enforcement counterterrorism efforts. Whenever an issue touching on Islam arises, Christie takes the Islamist side against those — the DHS, state senators, the NYPD, even the ACLU — who worry about lawful Islamism eroding the fabric of American life.

Two factors render this pattern especially curious: First, soft-on-Islamism policies are common among Democrats but rare among Republicans (Grover Norquist being the major exception). Second, Christie takes an ostentatiously pro-Israel stance, as reflected by his speeches and his recent “Jersey to Jerusalem” trip; this makes him unusual, for a pro-Israel stance typically goes hand-in-hand with concern about Shari’a. How does one reconcile the Christie contradiction?

It could be ego: The governor is more brilliant than we are. It could be that, other than fiscally, he is not a conservative. Or, as several analysts suggest, it could be cynical double pandering: Muslims get what they want most and Zionists get what they want most, with each side ignoring what Christie does for the other. Indeed, Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut pursued this double-track policy (soft on Islamism, staunch on Israel) and he became the Democrats’ vice-presidential candidate in 2000, when practically no one noticed the contradiction.

Whatever his reasons, we conclude that Chris Christie lacks the moral compass and integrity needed to serve as vice president of the United States.

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87 Responses to “At NRO, Daniel Pipes Take Issue With Gov Christie for Veep”
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  1. 1 | May 2, 2012 8:30 am

    Christie as VP is the one thing that would make me sit out this year’s Presidential Election. His record on the Second Amendment is worse than Obama’s.


  2. MikeA
    2 | May 2, 2012 8:36 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Totally agree with you. While he is doing good in NJ, he is NOT the guy to pick. As far as NJ and the 2nd Amend, a friend of mine wants to get a handgun in NJ. She needs 2 references and has to get fingerprinted, show need to own the gun and jump through tons of hoops. I told her in PA, I just walk in, get the instant check and am out the door in 10 minutes. ( 20 minutes if I am chatting about guns to the shop owner..)


  3. citizen_q
    3 | May 2, 2012 8:44 am

    Let Christi stay in NJ.

    I don’t like his support of islam or stance on 2nd Amendment.

    I won’t sit out the election if he does make it onto the ticket. I will still vote against obama, and look to a 1 term administration with a better ticket in 2016. I don’t see a better option.


  4. 4 | May 2, 2012 8:47 am

    @ MikeA:

    He doesn’t believe that the Second Amendment applies to the States. The Supreme Court disagrees with him. As far as I am concerned, this is an anti-Civil Rights position, no different than if he wanted to re-instate “Coloreds Only” waterfountains or some such nonsense, except being anti-Second Amendment is de facto pro-criminal. It only benefits the people who will break the law anyway to get guns. Totally disqualifies Christie for national office.


  5. buzzsawmonkey
    6 | May 2, 2012 9:13 am

    Returning to the thread topic, what I do not understand is why Christie is so popular among many soi-disant conservative figures.


  6. 7 | May 2, 2012 9:15 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Its bad enough Romney supports wants to help the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria, adding Christie would ensure the Muslim Brotherhood get everything they want.


  7. 8 | May 2, 2012 9:16 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Because he’s NJ which gives him exposure to the Philly and NY media markets. The Left makes him out to be a Conservative, so he got embraced.


  8. 9 | May 2, 2012 9:17 am

    soft on Islamism, staunch on Israel

    This is a good description of both parties.


  9. 10 | May 2, 2012 9:27 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah, I have to agree with you there. Christie is an abyssmal pick. I hope Romney has the sense to steer clear of him.


  10. buzzsawmonkey
    11 | May 2, 2012 9:32 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Because he’s NJ which gives him exposure to the Philly and NY media markets. The Left makes him out to be a Conservative, so he got embraced.

    A grim, sardonic, and probably accurate assessment—to which I would add that Christie is good at self-publicity, and his girth simultaneously makes him someone who is discussable, but who is not taken seriously (and who will be attacked for his size without mercy if he steps out of line, changing from “lovable, patronizable fat man” to “walking heart attack unworthy of office” in a heartbeat).


  11. 12 | May 2, 2012 9:33 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    There are already doubts about Romney. Adding Christie would make this the most Leftwing Republican ticket since the early 1900’s.

    Christie is good for NJ, but sucks for the country. Let him stay there. This would all but cinch the election for the god-king.

    I saw Obama’s speech last night, it was a campaign speech.


  12. eaglesoars
    13 | May 2, 2012 9:35 am

    Ann Coulter has a lot of ‘splainin to do.


  13. 14 | May 2, 2012 9:37 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Exactly! Christie got the “Conservative” label because he took on the Unions and didn’t raise taxes. He’s also socially Conservative, so to the NY/Philly media he’s a Conservative. But if you review his record, he’s a Moderate and belongs in NJ.


  14. 15 | May 2, 2012 9:38 am

    @ Rodan:

    I don’t know that he is even good for New Jersey. Supporting someone who is pro-gun control in the North is akin to supporting a Seggregationist as being “good for the South”. Gun control is anti-Civil Rights. Period, full stop. It is an unacceptible position for any elected official to hold. The Supreme Court is slowly coming to that conclusion. Just as there were small civil rights victories that led to seggregation being over-turned, we are seeing small (but ground-breaking) decisions on the Second Amendment. I won’t be satisfied until the Second Amendment is as thoroughly protected as the extra-constitutional right to abortion.


  15. 16 | May 2, 2012 9:38 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    She’s in love with Christie. She probably would be his mistress if she could. Ann Coulter has alot of explaining to do after this election.


  16. Bob in Breckenridge
    17 | May 2, 2012 9:39 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Its bad enough Romney supports wants to help the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria, adding Christie would ensure the Muslim Brotherhood get everything they want.

    No way Romney picks Christie. It will be a governor/senator from the west or south. Or southwest.


  17. 18 | May 2, 2012 9:40 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I get that but, in the context of NJ politics, there are worse choices than Christie. So while to you and I, Christie is not good, there are worse people in NJ politics. He’s lesser of evils, something we are seeing at the national level as well.


  18. eaglesoars
    19 | May 2, 2012 9:40 am

    Rodan wrote:

    She probably would be his mistress if she could.

    My head exploded when I found out she used to live with Bill Maher. And she STILL defends him as ‘funny’


  19. 20 | May 2, 2012 9:43 am

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    Romney will do what he wants. He figures Conservatives hate Obama that we will vote for him no matter what. He’s counting on Obama hatred to win.

    So I agree I don’t think he will pick Christie, I can see him doing it because at the end of the day, he could care less what people on the Right think.


  20. 21 | May 2, 2012 9:44 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    She’s a Notheast Liberal Republican who used Conservatives for book sales. This election has exposed her.


  21. 22 | May 2, 2012 9:47 am

    If people think I am making it up that Romney supports the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria, here’s his campaign:

    “On Syria, what we have seen is the Obama administration has been shamefully absent from this crisis. The situation is we have some 9,000 civilians who have been killed in Syria, this has been going on for a year,” he said. “It’s almost as if the Obama administration doesn’t understand both the humanitarian cost as well as the strategic blow this would be to Iran, because Syria is Iran’s Arab ally.”

    Those were not 9,000 civilians. Those are Muslim Brotherhood fighters and supporters. Romney is just a Muslim Brotherhood lackey.


  22. 23 | May 2, 2012 9:47 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    She probably would be his mistress if she could.
    My head exploded when I found out she used to live with Bill Maher. And she STILL defends him as ‘funny’

    Ann Coulter is a Lawyer… That alone ought to tell you all you need to know about her. She is very intelligent. Just because she figured out a lucrative market to exploit doesn’t mean she is or ever was as conservative as people who read her books assumed.

    Her books and her talking head appearances were always about making money. She wrote what conservatives wanted to hear and gave interviews that were sufficiently controversial to ensure that her books sold well.

    Remember, the hallmark of a really “Good” lawyer, is the ability to argue either side of any case put before them and do so with an appearance of utter conviction, regardless of what they themselves actually think or feel.


  23. citizen_q
    24 | May 2, 2012 9:48 am

    O/T but a thought occurred to me looking at the Drudge headline stating that 1275 U.S. Soldiers killed since obama took office, whatever happened to the MFM talking heads “solemnly” pointing out “grim milestones”?

    / rhetorical


  24. 25 | May 2, 2012 9:49 am

    @ Rodan:

    She went from being totally against “RINO Romney” to being totally in the bag for him. She apparently has little principle of conviction other than what it takes to sell her next book. Romney is better than Obama, and I will support him over Obama, but she underwent a full conversion while there were many others in the field. She has never adequately explained that. And she has always been sold on Christie, which, given her voiciferous support of the Second Amendment I just plain don’t get.


  25. 26 | May 2, 2012 9:51 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    See Dorian’s #23

    Also see the link I put up in #22. If Obama was not a 3rd World Liberation Marxist, I would sit the election out.


  26. 27 | May 2, 2012 9:52 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Well said and I agree 100%. This election has exposed many people.

    Just wait till my post Nov. 7th!
    :evil:


  27. citizen_q
    28 | May 2, 2012 9:54 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Romney is just a Muslim Brotherhood lackey.

    Maybe he is just taking a P.C. slanted swipe against obama’s foriegn policy failures?

    While it would be refreshingly honest for him to say, muslim killing muslim with both sides staffed by bad actors and no clear U.S. interest, we should not get involved; such a position would be red meat for the media.


  28. 29 | May 2, 2012 9:54 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    She’s a Notheast Liberal Republican who used Conservatives for book sales. This election has exposed her.

    I don’t think she is a Liberal Republican, more likely a Conservative lite, or moderate. But you are right about her writing specifically to the conservative market purely as a revenue producing device.

    Personally I think she chose to market specifically to the Conservatives because it was something she was able to relate to. Like yourself, bombastic hyperbole comes naturally to Ann, and she exploited that natural inclination.

    Is she s Conservative? Na, more likely a right leaning Moderate Republican or a conservative lite.


  29. 30 | May 2, 2012 9:55 am

    @ citizen_q:

    They don’t care about dead soldiers.They died for the Pharaoh, so it was a worthy sacrifice.


  30. 31 | May 2, 2012 9:57 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    And she has always been sold on Christie, which, given her voiciferous support of the Second Amendment I just plain don’t get.

    Meh… I put that down to Ann having a bad boy attraction issue. Just like her having once lived with Bill Maher. She knows better, she just can’t help herself when it comes to being attracted to a certain kind of bad boy.


  31. 32 | May 2, 2012 9:58 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Maybe he is just taking a P.C. slanted swipe against obama’s foriegn policy failures?

    How is Syria a foreign policy failure? Its actually a success having Assad/Iran/Hizballah fighting AL-Qaeda/Muslim Brotherhood.

    Romney is in the pocket of the Muslim Brotherhood. He’s supported the Arab Spring, Libyan War and wants to intervene in Syria. If Obama was a normal Democrat, I would sit the election out.


  32. 33 | May 2, 2012 10:01 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    And she has always been sold on Christie, which, given her voiciferous support of the Second Amendment I just plain don’t get.
    Meh… I put that down to Ann having a bad boy attraction issue. Just like her having once lived with Bill Maher. She knows better, she just can’t help herself when it comes to being attracted to a certain kind of bad boy.

    And I should point out that you really ought to understand that female bad boy attraction issue, otherwise, well, you would most likely still be single… :razz:


  33. eaglesoars
    34 | May 2, 2012 10:02 am

    Oh goody! Look what happened while we weren’t looking.

    The o admin has come up with a 10-yr plan to mitigate global warming.


    Human actions are altering the atmosphere, the land, and our oceans, placing new pressures on the Earth’s ecosystems and threatening the health and economic welfare of our Nation and the world,” said Tom Armstrong, Executive Director of the USGCRP. “High-quality and well-coordinated research is essential if we are to better understand and predict future changes, develop strategies to minimize our vulnerabilities, and adapt to changes that can’t be avoided

    Tar Feathers


  34. 35 | May 2, 2012 10:05 am

    78% of Americans oppose sending troops to Syria.

    American voters oppose U.S. military involvement in Syria, where the government has killed an estimated 7,500 people as it tries to end a year-long uprising. In addition, a majority thinks there should be a national debate before the U.S. intervenes in hot-spots around the world.

    Arizona Sen. John McCain has called for U.S. air strikes to help the anti-government rebels — something the United States did in Libya. A Fox News poll released Thursday shows that a slim 51 percent majority of voters opposes that action, while 37 percent support it.

    Larger majorities oppose the U.S. providing weapons to anti-government groups (64 percent) and launching air strikes to try to oust the Syrian government (68 percent). Fully 78 percent of voters oppose U.S. troops on the ground in Syria.

    This is a dumb move on Romney’s part to want to get involved.


  35. 36 | May 2, 2012 10:06 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    I thought Obama had divine powers to make the ocean levels recede and heal the Earth? He said so in 2008 and the media has declared him a god-king!
    ///


  36. spinmore
    37 | May 2, 2012 10:07 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    @ Iron Fist:
    @ doriangrey:
    . . . she has misbehaved and should be given a proper spanking :)


  37. 38 | May 2, 2012 10:09 am

    spinmore wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    @ Iron Fist:
    @ doriangrey:
    . . . she has misbehaved and should be given a proper spanking

    OK, fine… I vote spinmore to be the designated spanker… :twisted:


  38. spinmore
    39 | May 2, 2012 10:11 am

    @ doriangrey:
    :D
    don’t let me get in your way (LOL)


  39. eaglesoars
    40 | May 2, 2012 10:11 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    I thought Obama had divine powers to make the ocean levels recede and heal the Earth? He said so in 2008 and the media has declared him a god-king!
    ///

    Ah yes. I’d forgotten.

    Too bad he can’t do anything about jobs either. Did you see the ADP report today? 119k jobs created in the private sector in April. FAIL. And I will remind you that those March numbers of 209K were adjusted downward to 201K


  40. eaglesoars
    41 | May 2, 2012 10:12 am

    gotta hop.


  41. 42 | May 2, 2012 10:13 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    ADP always overstates jobs created. SO if they are calling for 119,000, that means the official number will be 80-100K.


  42. 43 | May 2, 2012 10:13 am

    spinmore wrote:

    @ doriangrey:

    don’t let me get in your way (LOL)

    OH NO… That’s all you Buddy… :twisted: (I’m scared of Ann :oops: )


  43. citizen_q
    44 | May 2, 2012 10:14 am

    @ Rodan:
    IMHO, let them keep killing each other. Not our problem.


  44. spinmore
    45 | May 2, 2012 10:16 am

    @ doriangrey:
    don’t be scared, she won’t bite (then again . . .) haha


  45. 46 | May 2, 2012 10:16 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    IMHO, let them keep killing each other. Not our problem.

    If we were smart we would find a way to throw gasoline on their fire… without it being known that we were the ones throwing gasoline on their fire. :evil:


  46. 47 | May 2, 2012 10:19 am

    spinmore wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    don’t be scared, she won’t bite (then again . . .) haha

    Lawyer’s and Vampires have something in common. Let either one of them make love to you, and they suck all the blood out of you and leave behind a dessicated corpse… :shock:


  47. 48 | May 2, 2012 10:19 am

    @ citizen_q:
    @ doriangrey:

    Romney’s support of the Muslim Brotherhood is disgusting. Both Parties are Islamic Jihadi ass kissers.


  48. spinmore
    49 | May 2, 2012 10:19 am

    OT

    have ‘we’ discussed the Michael Behenna story here?

    see: defend michael dot com


  49. 50 | May 2, 2012 10:19 am

    @ doriangrey:

    A Vampire is more honest.


  50. 51 | May 2, 2012 10:21 am

    @ spinmore:

    Explain what that’s about?


  51. spinmore
    52 | May 2, 2012 10:21 am

    @ doriangrey:
    funny stuff

    (vampires need love too) :D


  52. 53 | May 2, 2012 10:21 am

    The Second Amendment issue I view as a touchstone, in that it often shows how much trust the politician is willing to place in the average American, and this carries through to every other issue. It also tends to show how much respect a politician is willing to place in the constitution, which again carries through.


  53. citizen_q
    54 | May 2, 2012 10:22 am

    @ doriangrey:
    It’s a feature of islam we should be exploiting everywhere, not just in syria.

    sunnis are blowing up shia and vice versa from iraq to pock-e-stan.


  54. spinmore
    55 | May 2, 2012 10:24 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ spinmore:

    Explain what that’s about?

    this young LT is serving 15 years at Levenworth for defending himself against a terror suspect. Unfriggin’ real.
    One of about 10 ‘kids’ (my sentiment) who are paying the price of PC wars.


  55. 56 | May 2, 2012 10:28 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    The Second Amendment issue I view as a touchstone, in that it often shows how much trust the politician is willing to place in the average American, and this carries through to every other issue. It also tends to show how much respect a politician is willing to place in the constitution, which again carries through.

    Exactly, that is why some of us (Iron Fist and you and a few others) consider any politicians 2nd amendment position a make or break issue.


  56. 57 | May 2, 2012 10:32 am

    @ spinmore:

    We can’t offend our Saudi and Muslim Brotherhood masters!
    ////

    In all seriousness, that’s fucked up and not right.


  57. lobo91
    58 | May 2, 2012 10:42 am

    @ spinmore:

    It sounds like there was some serious prosecutorial misconduct in that case. Hopefully, it’ll be sent back for a new trial on appeal.


  58. spinmore
    59 | May 2, 2012 10:43 am

    @ Rodan:
    Once again, one of the few pols to speak out against the imprisonment of these young warriors has been Allen West

    http://www.defendmichael.com/?p=381


  59. Alberta Oil Peon
    60 | May 2, 2012 10:44 am

    @ Rodan:
    And it could be simply that Romney is using the unrest in Syria as a club with which to clobber Obama. He’s campaigning, Rodan. Don’t put too much credence in the stands that any candidate takes on peripheral issues. They will say whatever they think gives them advantage against their opponent.


  60. spinmore
    61 | May 2, 2012 10:45 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ spinmore:

    It sounds like there was some serious prosecutorial misconduct in that case. Hopefully, it’ll be sent back for a new trial on appeal.

    some sort of appeal was just heard a few days back.
    No word yet (to my knowledge) of any outcome to that.
    prayers for him and the others in his situation.
    He has already served two years


  61. lobo91
    62 | May 2, 2012 10:54 am

    @ spinmore:

    That’s basically the final appeal, to the Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces.

    It’s already been heard by the Army’s appellate court.


  62. 63 | May 2, 2012 10:54 am

    spinmore wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Once again, one of the few pols to speak out against the imprisonment of these young warriors has been Allen West
    http://www.defendmichael.com/?p=381

    My personal opinion: Allen West would be the best possible VP candidate for Romney.


  63. 64 | May 2, 2012 10:56 am

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:

    Americans are against intervention in Syria. Romney is using the wrong club. If a majority of Americans are against getting involved in Syria, why use that?

    It’s because the GOP foreign policy establishment has been hijacked by Wilsonians who love wars for democracy. This is not a campaign tactic, its a core ideology of the GOP establishment. They want another war to establish another Islamic state.

    This is a huge turnoff for me. If Obama was not a 3rd World style Marxist I would sit it out. The is the last election I will ever vote in. I mean this very seriously.


  64. spinmore
    65 | May 2, 2012 10:58 am

    @ doriangrey:
    afraid Romney wouldn’t even know ‘what to make’ of a guy like West.
    Don’t think he would understand one word that West would say.
    unfortunate.


  65. 66 | May 2, 2012 11:01 am

    @ spinmore:

    Allen West is one of the few authentic politicians. He’s a true American hero and calls out the Left and Islam as our enemies. I wish we had more Allen Wests.


  66. 67 | May 2, 2012 11:02 am

    Bad economic data, but the media says don’t worry!


  67. 68 | May 2, 2012 11:07 am

    If Romney were smart he would pick a good conservative from a swing state.


  68. 69 | May 2, 2012 11:08 am

    @ Rodan:

    I think we are getting ready to see anothe rRecession (like the first one ever ended). Britain has already entered their Second Dip. I think our “Recovery” is mostly smoke and mirrors bullshit, anyway, but this indicates that it is going away.


  69. The Osprey
    70 | May 2, 2012 11:08 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    The Second Amendment issue I view as a touchstone, in that it often shows how much trust the politician is willing to place in the average American, and this carries through to every other issue. It also tends to show how much respect a politician is willing to place in the constitution, which again carries through.

    Well said.


  70. spinmore
    71 | May 2, 2012 11:09 am

    @ lobo91:
    What’s the word?
    Aren’t you recovering from a procedure? (shoulder??)


  71. spinmore
    72 | May 2, 2012 11:11 am

    Mr Caps wrote:

    If Romney were smart he would pick a good conservative from a swing state.

    if he were smart, he’d have a drink and loosen’ up a little.
    my god – can’t we ever get a REAL candidate?


  72. 73 | May 2, 2012 11:15 am

    @ spinmore:

    A REAL Candidate would never be elected. People want a plastic, made-for-TV automaton. That gives them free stuff…


  73. spinmore
    74 | May 2, 2012 11:19 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    you are correct sir (ala Ed Mcmahon)

    West (for example) as much as ‘we’ may love him – is most likely un-electable.


  74. 75 | May 2, 2012 11:23 am

    spinmore wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    you are correct sir (ala Ed Mcmahon)
    West (for example) as much as ‘we’ may love him – is most likely un-electable.

    I wouldn’t bet on that, West holds his own extremely well. Moreover, how priceless would the debates between West and Biden be? West knows how to attack and does not hesitate to go for the kill when he see’s the opening, Allen West would have Obama screaming like a little girl and running for cover so fast Obama would be the first human being to break the light speed barrier.


  75. 76 | May 2, 2012 11:27 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ spinmore:

    Its a loss for our country.

    :-(


  76. citizen_q
    77 | May 2, 2012 11:31 am

    spinmore wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    What’s the word?
    Aren’t you recovering from a procedure? (shoulder??)

    Oh, I had not heard that.

    I myself am going under the knife tomorrow morning.

    Crap-al tunnel and 2 trigger finger releases on my dominant hand. Surgeon would only do one hand at a time, my other hand is not as bad.


  77. 78 | May 2, 2012 11:33 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ spinmore:
    Its a loss for our country.

    Oh come on guys, let’s not give up hope just yet. I am currently sustaining myself with the mental image of Allen West standing on Obama’s head using Uncle Joe Biden to beat Obama half to death. (mental image: Allen West using Biden like a croquet mallet on Obama’s noggin)


  78. spinmore
    79 | May 2, 2012 11:35 am

    @ citizen_q:
    good luck with that.
    Prayers for a full and speedy recovery with good results.
    (gonna be tricky w/o the dominant hand for a bit)
    :) you’ll manage


  79. lobo91
    80 | May 2, 2012 11:35 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Pretty much recovered. Arthroscopic surgery on my right shoulder.


  80. citizen_q
    81 | May 2, 2012 11:41 am

    @ spinmore:
    Thanks! It will be difficult for awhile. Trying to catch-up as much as I can with chores around the house in preparation.

    BTW, my wife finds it amusing that I have “Trigger Finger”, since I enjoy shooting and she does not approve.

    @ lobo91:

    That is great!

    My 3 hand procedures will be done with arthroscopic surgery as well.


  81. spinmore
    82 | May 2, 2012 11:44 am

    @ citizen_q:
    might have a little trouble pickin’ your nose for a while
    . . . you’ll have to cross-pick


  82. citizen_q
    83 | May 2, 2012 11:46 am

    @ spinmore:
    Well, my wife will help me with certain things….. I haven’t asked her about that.

    OTHO, she refused to help me draw a happy face or write “Exit Only” on my butt in preparation for my colonoscopy.


  83. spinmore
    84 | May 2, 2012 11:49 am

    @ citizen_q:
    :D good stuff


  84. 85 | May 2, 2012 11:50 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    OTHO, she refused to help me draw a happy face or write “Exit Only” on my butt in preparation for my colonoscopy.

    OK, now I’m not sure who is sicker, you or your wife… :shock:


  85. 86 | May 2, 2012 11:50 am

    New thread.


  86. citizen_q
    87 | May 2, 2012 11:53 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    OTHO, she refused to help me draw a happy face or write “Exit Only” on my butt in preparation for my colonoscopy.
    OK, now I’m not sure who is sicker, you or your wife…

    I am!

    First I learned the hard way not to sleep with someone crazier that I am. Secondly my wife has better sense than to try and elicit a giggle from someone manipulating a TV camera on a cable through the heart of darkness.


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