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Egyptian Islamist vows global caliphate in Jerusalem

by Speranza ( 134 Comments › )
Filed under Egypt, Israel, Muslim Brotherhood at May 9th, 2012 - 11:30 am

Wow that Arab Spring is sure working out well isn’t it?  The only way these pigs will ever get to Jerusalem will be as fertilizer made from their corpses.

by Oren Kessler

Egypt’s Islamists aim to install a global Islamic caliphate with its capital in Jerusalem, a radical Muslim preacher told thousands of Muslim Brotherhood supporters in a clip released Monday.

“We can see how the dream of the Islamic caliphate is being realized, God willing, by Dr. Mohamed Mursi,” Safwat Higazi told thousands of Brotherhood supporters at a Cairo soccer stadium as Mursi – the movement’s presidential candidate – and other Brotherhood officials nodded in agreement.

“The capital of the caliphate – the capital of the United States of the Arabs – will be Jerusalem, God willing,” Higazi said. “Our capital shall not be in Cairo, Mecca or Medina,” he said, before leading the crowd in chants of “Millions of martyrs march toward Jerusalem.”

Higazi is an unaffiliated Islamist who is barred from the United Kingdom for making statements endorsing terror attacks against Israelis. The clip, from Egypt’s Islamist-oriented Al-Nas television station, was aired last week and uploaded to YouTube on Monday by the Middle East Media Research Institute.

Members of the crowd carried banners emblazoned with slogans related to next week’s “Nakba Day,” when Palestinians and other Arabs mourn Israel’s creation in 1948.

“Tomorrow, Mursi will liberate Gaza,” an unidentified man cheers in the video before leading the crowd in chants of “Allah Akbar.”

“Banish the sleep from the eyes of all Jews,” the man repeats, accompanied by drumming. “Come on, you lovers of martyrdom, you are all Hamas… Forget about the whole world, forget about conferences. Brandish your weapons, say your prayers and pray to the Lord.”

Returning to the stage, Mursi vowed to pray in Jerusalem. “Yes, Jerusalem is our goal. We shall pray in Jerusalem, or die as martyrs on its threshold.”

Raymond Stock, an American translator and academic who spent two decades in Egypt, said the clip should come as a surprise to no one.

“This is what the Muslim Brotherhood really stands for: the extermination of Israel – and Jews everywhere – as well as the spread and control of radical Islam over the world,” he told The Jerusalem Post.

“How anyone can fail to see this boggles the mind – yet its denial is virtual dogma in the global mainstream media, US government and Western academia today,” said Stock, who has translated a number of books by the Nobel Prize-winning Egyptian novelist Naguib Mahfouz.

The Brotherhood won about half of Egypt’s parliamentary seats, but its main candidate Khairat al-Shater was disqualified last month from running for president and Mursi has struggled to win wide support.

Hard-line Salafi Islamists were parliamentary elections’ biggest surprise, taking around 25% of seats.

[.......]

A presidential election, which starts on May 23-24, will choose a replacement for Hosni Mubarak, who was toppled in February last year.

Poll numbers released Monday by the state-run Al-Ahram Center show Moussa leading the field with 39%, followed by Abol Fotouh with 24%, former Mubarak premier Ahmed Shafiq with 17% and Mursi in fourth with just 7%.

[.......]

“Many people want Islamist values but are afraid that Islamist control of the presidency in addition to parliament could be bad for tourism and foreign investment. Others simply like Moussa,” he said. “He is a radical nationalist with a pragmatic streak, and from a Western point of view is the best we can hope for now that Omar Suleiman has been excluded.”

“But we can’t rule out Mohamed Mursi yet – the Brotherhood machine is extremely formidable, and nearly everyone has underestimated them before,” he said, adding that “the Salafis remain wild cards, as ever.”

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  1. Speranza
    1 | May 9, 2012 11:41 am

    The nightmare continues.


  2. citizen_q
    2 | May 9, 2012 11:41 am

    Returning to the stage, Mursi vowed to pray in Jerusalem. “Yes, Jerusalem is our goal. We shall pray in Jerusalem, or die as martyrs on its threshold.”

    Do the world a favor and die. Find out for yourself the fraud of allah’s (piss be upon it) cosmic bordello.


  3. Speranza
    3 | May 9, 2012 11:42 am

    Mubarak was no bargain because he allowed a virulent anti Semitism to flourish in the Egyptian media but he will be a saint compared to the people coming after him.


  4. Speranza
    4 | May 9, 2012 11:43 am

    Give Obama a second term and watch the real Arabist come out of him.


  5. citizen_q
    5 | May 9, 2012 11:45 am

    Speranza wrote:

    The nightmare continues.

    islam is as islam does.

    Nuke ‘em all. From mekkka, medina, and qom, to karachi and cairo. Death, violence and misery follow islam like stink on shite. The would be much much better off without such spiritual and temporal pestilance.


  6. citizen_q
    6 | May 9, 2012 11:48 am

    @ Speranza:
    That is folly of the so-called a-rab spring. From bad to worse.


  7. 7 | May 9, 2012 11:49 am

    No comments from Obama, Clinton, McCain and his girlfriend on this.


  8. citizen_q
    8 | May 9, 2012 11:51 am

    Rodan wrote:

    No comments from Obama, Clinton, McCain and his girlfriend on this.

    The instructions from their masters as the oic must be slow in coming.


  9. lobo91
    9 | May 9, 2012 11:53 am

    “Millions of martyrs march toward Jerusalem.”

    Sounds like a plan.

    Get them to march in nice straight columns, please.


  10. Speranza
    10 | May 9, 2012 11:53 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    That is folly of the so-called a-rab spring. From bad to worse.

    Now all of a sudden the MSM is anti Assad when in the past few years they perpetuated the “he is a reformer” crap. Why -- because he went to opthamology school in Londonistan?


  11. Speranza
    11 | May 9, 2012 11:55 am

    Get them to march in nice straight columns, please.

    Right into the machine guns, just like in World War I.


  12. 12 | May 9, 2012 11:56 am

    @ Speranza:

    Some nice IAF napalms would end that march!


  13. 13 | May 9, 2012 11:56 am

    @ Speranza:

    Yes, they can use the human wave tactics the Iranians used in the Iraq-Iran war. Didn’t work too well for those guys.


  14. 14 | May 9, 2012 11:57 am

    @ citizen_q:

    :lol:

    Yes these are McCain’s “friends”!


  15. Speranza
    15 | May 9, 2012 11:57 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Some nice IAF napalms would end that march!

    Napoleon’s “whiff of grapeshot” will do the trick.


  16. 16 | May 9, 2012 11:57 am

    @ lobo91:

    Give them what they wish!


  17. Speranza
    17 | May 9, 2012 11:58 am

    Yes, they can use the human wave tactics the Iranians used in the Iraq-Iran war. Didn’t work too well for those guys.

    They sent teenagers with plastic “keys to paradise”. Pure carnage and butchery.


  18. 18 | May 9, 2012 11:59 am

    @ Speranza:

    They want to be martyrs, give them that wish!


  19. 19 | May 9, 2012 12:01 pm

    @ Speranza:

    .50 M-2s, and lots of ammunition….


  20. 20 | May 9, 2012 12:01 pm

    The new Tunisian PM said that the Arab Spring was the beginning of the Caliphate and Jerusalem was their goal. This MB clown confirms it.


  21. 21 | May 9, 2012 12:02 pm

    Now here’s a shock! Tell me Speranza, who could have seen this coming, besides everyone here at the Blogmocracy that is? The Islamists have gotten the greatest benefit from the, “Arab Spring.” Still waiting for word on the whereabouts of those doe eyed young democrats, or for that matter any surviving Coptic Christians.


  22. 22 | May 9, 2012 12:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Speranza:

    Just put Charles Johnson on the Israeli-Egyptian border and those Martyrs will stop dead in their tracks. He’s so ugly looking, they will run away!


  23. Speranza
    23 | May 9, 2012 12:03 pm

    The new Tunisian PM said that the Arab Spring was the beginning of the Caliphate and Jerusalem was their goal. This MB clown confirms it.

    They sure talk big don’t they but when the shooting starts they are never found. If talking tough was a weapon the Islamists would conquer the world.
    Btw “Jerusalem” is never mentioned in the Koran.


  24. 24 | May 9, 2012 12:04 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    Hey did you see my last thread? There’s some very revealing stuff about Obama there.

    Obama was born in the United States and that was that — but in the sense of how he saw the world and wanted to be seen by it.

    Obama had a lot of Pakistani friends; Maraniss writes that if Obama and his girlfriend socialized as a couple, “it was almost always with the Pakistanis.” Obama appeared to identify with his friends as fellow non-Americans. “For years when Barack was around them, he seemed to share their attitudes as sophisticated outsiders who looked at politics from an international perspective,” Maraniss writes. “He was one of them, in that sense.”

    But Obama was ambitious. Appalled by the “dirty deeds” of “Reagan and his minions” (as he wrote in “Dreams from My Father”), Obama became increasingly interested in, as Maraniss writes, “gaining power in order to change things.” He couldn’t do that as an international guy hanging around with his Pakistani friends; he needed to become an American.

    So he did. One of those Pakistani friends, Beenu Mahmood, saw a major change in Obama. Mahmood calls Obama “the most deliberate person I ever met in terms of constructing his own identity,” according to Maraniss. The time after college, Mahmood says, “was an important period for him, first the shift from not international but American, number one, and then not white, but black.”

    This confirms what we have all suspected. He has a 3rd World Liberation mindset and he is Black for political reasons.


  25. Speranza
    25 | May 9, 2012 12:05 pm

    Just put Charles Johnson on the Israeli-Egyptian border and those Martyrs will stop dead in their tracks. He’s so ugly looking, they will run away!

    Besides being a terrific guitar player, web designer, wingnut slayer and race detective -- he is a military genius on a par with Alexander, Hannibal, Napoleon, Caesar, U.S. Grant and Erich von Manstein (ooops a Naaaaazi).


  26. 26 | May 9, 2012 12:05 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Nope, a reference to Al-Quds the farthest Mosque is mentioned. Nothing more. Nowhere is Jerusalem mentioned. The Muzzz have twisted Jerusalem as Al-Quds.


  27. Speranza
    27 | May 9, 2012 12:09 pm

    They poach other peoples histories and faiths and make them their own.
    On the 1st Avenue and East 11th Street Mosque they proclaim that Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, and Jesus were all Islamic Prophets.


  28. Speranza
    28 | May 9, 2012 12:12 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    Tell me Speranza, who could have seen this coming, besides everyone here at the Blogmocracy that is?

    I guess our momma’s were right when they told us how smart we were!


  29. Speranza
    29 | May 9, 2012 12:15 pm

    Obama could not be bothered supporting the Iranians demonstrating in 2009.


  30. Speranza
    30 | May 9, 2012 12:16 pm

    That’s because he supported the mullahs.


  31. 31 | May 9, 2012 12:18 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yes I did, lurking while working. This predovetails nicely into the post I just popped into the pending revue queue. It appears as though the LOST Treaty is back on the table, in time for the upcoming lame duck session of Congress, and a possible lame duck President.


  32. coldwarrior
    32 | May 9, 2012 12:20 pm

    i’m sorry. i simply refuse to believe that those in america who backed this arab spring are caught all surprised by the rise of the calphate and the islamist’s take over.

    i refuse to buy that line for one second. this was deliberate and they knew damn well that the outcome would be islamic takeovers everywhere.

    this support was a deliberate act, period. they knew exactly what was going to hgappen


  33. 33 | May 9, 2012 12:23 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I agree. I am convinced teh House of Saud bought off the elites in both Parties.

    When Hannity confronted McCain on the MB, he said it was Islamophobia and hysteria. That is very revealing. See Obama and Hillary I am not shocked support this crap. My ire is more for the GOP establishment lie McCain and his Girlfriend from South Carolina.

    Dick Lugar was a huge supporter of teh Arab Spring, that’s why I am ecstatic he lost!


  34. 34 | May 9, 2012 12:25 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    Dick Lugar was one of the people pushing it. Now that he lost, I bet he will try to get it through the Snetae in lame duck.

    Honestly, should Obama lose, I worry about the damage a Lame Duck session will do. We saw what happened in 2010, just weeks after a massive defeat, Obama got everything he wanted. The Eunuch Boehner did his bidding.


  35. 35 | May 9, 2012 12:26 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I agree. These are supposed to be intelligent people. The rise of Islamist parties in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, et al was obviously going to be the result of the so-called Arab Spring. The MFM sold pie-in-the-sky scenarios of Arab democracy to people who didn’t have a clue about what was going on on the ground over there, but anyone who did even cursory review of the available sources knew that some very bad people were getting ready to take power.


  36. 36 | May 9, 2012 12:35 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think they were bought off in McCain’s case and Obama is on their side in his case.


  37. 37 | May 9, 2012 12:41 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I agree on Obama, and could be on McCain. He is corrupt. We’ve known that since the Keeting Five. That he’s never been directly caught being corrupt just means he is good at it. Kind of like that ABSCAM Democrat that croaked last year. I can’t even remember his name now. How fleeting is the fame? :evil:


  38. m
    38 | May 9, 2012 12:47 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Actually, it just says “farthest mosque”. The mosque in al quds Jerusalem was built many, many years after mo took his dirt nap.


  39. 39 | May 9, 2012 12:51 pm

    @ m:

    It was a time travelling magic horse Mohammed rode on during his Night Journey! Do you doubt the power of Mohammed, the bestest, most perfectest child molester man ever to live? 8O


  40. 40 | May 9, 2012 12:54 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Kind of like that ABSCAM Democrat that croaked last year. I can’t even remember his name now. How fleeting is the fame?

    John Murtha.


  41. 41 | May 9, 2012 12:55 pm

    @ m:

    Yup, no where does it mention Jerusalem.


  42. 42 | May 9, 2012 12:55 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Jerusalem was under Roman control when Mohammad died. they made no references to a man on a flying unicorn!


  43. 43 | May 9, 2012 12:59 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    and could be on McCain

    Sadly I am going to have to play the occam’s razor card on this issue. To believe that the various GOP aristocrats were bought off by the House of Saudi basically amounts to a conspiracy theory, where as the actual evidence suggests a far simpler explanation.

    The combinations of arrogance, ignorance and far to many demands on their attention and time married to a proclivity to believe that everyone is just like themselves, i.e. willing to compromise and negotiate on every subject is far more likely to be reality than to believe that they were knowingly and willing bought off by the Saudi’s.


  44. 44 | May 9, 2012 1:05 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I would agree with that, but there’s one problem Why would time and time again, the GOP elites back Islamic interest? I can understand a case here or there, but when the Muzzies howl, people like McCain and his Girlfriend from South Carolina jump. Meanwhile when Christians need help, the same people that claim they stand up for Christian values are silent.

    That’s why I think its something more sinister at work.


  45. waldensianspirit
    45 | May 9, 2012 1:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Get them to march in nice straight columns, please

    We’re workin’ on it. Tough slog


  46. 46 | May 9, 2012 1:16 pm

    OT, but interesting….

    I just got back from the pharmacy for a refill of Vicodin; they gave it to me in blister packs, explaining that there’s a shortage and this is the overflow from hospitals, who are being supplied first.

    You just can’t go after entire industries, without justification in my eyes, without entailing repercussions. Vicodin shortage? Unfucking believable!


  47. 47 | May 9, 2012 1:21 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    It was planned that way. The goal of Obamacare is to determine who lives or dies.


  48. NoThreat2U
    48 | May 9, 2012 1:23 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    There are no shortages, they are just tightening the reins because of pain killer abuse.


  49. 49 | May 9, 2012 1:25 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    You’re right, I didn’t think of that. Vicodin is one of the most popular.


  50. waldensianspirit
    50 | May 9, 2012 1:25 pm

    Colonialism is BAAAAAAAAAD!!!!!

    New USA foreign policy: Go into every country and give the ‘rebels’ whatever they want unsupervised


  51. 51 | May 9, 2012 1:27 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    It is called “appeasement”. It is a favorite tactic of pacifists. It worked so well on Nazi Germany that they want to repeat that success with the Islamo-Nazis…


  52. 52 | May 9, 2012 1:28 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Colonialism is BAAAAAAAAAD!!!!!
    New USA foreign policy: Go into every country and give the ‘rebels’ whatever they want unsupervised

    Especially if they are Islamic rebels. If they are Christians, oh well no luck!


  53. 53 | May 9, 2012 1:29 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ waldensianspirit:

    McCain’s heroes strike again!


  54. 54 | May 9, 2012 1:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    I would agree with that, but there’s one problem Why would time and time again, the GOP elites back Islamic interest? I can understand a case here or there, but when the Muzzies howl, people like McCain and his Girlfriend from South Carolina jump. Meanwhile when Christians need help, the same people that claim they stand up for Christian values are silent.
    That’s why I think its something more sinister at work.

    Again, it boils down to something painfully simple and mundane, not enough time to know the complex realities. I honestly doubt that any of the GOP aristocrats are even remotely aware of the situation in South Sudan. Why? It’s also painfully simple, a violent conflict in the middle east genuinely threatens the worlds collective economies.

    Disrupt the flow of oil out of the middle east and worlds oil prices go through the roof. Having to prioritize things that deal with life and death sucks. Congressmen and Senators have so many demands on their time and attention that the deaths of tens of thousands of people that will not crash the worlds economy take a back seat and lower priority to the deaths of tens of thousands that very possibly will crash the entire worlds economies.

    Congressmen and Senators get an incredibly myopic view of the world, it’s a tragic occupational hazard. Unfortunately you just can’t have literally thousands of people constantly demanding your time and attention without that happening. The result is that they become insulated in informational cocoons.

    They get a two minuet update on world events, which might include 10 seconds on South Sudan. So they make a snap decision, I have limited resources, which situation do I commit those resources to?

    Situation a) tens of thousands of Christians dying in a fight with Muslims that will only affect Africa, or Situation b) tens of thousands of Muslims dying in the middle east that will probably result in the crash of the American economy and the entire worlds economy.

    Remember, not only do you not you do not have unlimited resources, you also have tens to hundreds of thousands of American’s right here at home (like that blogger dude Rodan) screaming… No more nation building, no more wars.

    Do their decision suck? Yes they do. That is the problem of priorities, they make it seem like the lower damaging priorities don’t matter. When you are juggling a baseball, a chainsaw and a stick of dynamite, the lowest priority is the baseball.


  55. 55 | May 9, 2012 1:34 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Hey when a Liberal Republican wins, they say Conservatives should get in line. When Conservatives win, the Liberals don’t have to.

    Lugar won’t attend GOP unity press conference

    From the tough statement Indiana Sen. Dick Lugar released Tuesday night, it seems like it’s going to take some time before the bitter sting of his primary defeat goes away.

    When Indiana GOP officials meet this morning at state party HQ for a Republican Unity Press Conference, the veteran senator will be notably absent.


  56. 56 | May 9, 2012 1:36 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    In other words, they are short sighted and naive and don’t see the big picture.


  57. NoThreat2U
    57 | May 9, 2012 1:37 pm

    @ Rodan:
    The black market for vikes is huge. People get a whole script and sell them for big bucks. They are trying to crack down on that, but at the expense of people who really need them. My niece isn’t allowed pain killers from any ER in Tennessee due to abuse.


  58. 58 | May 9, 2012 1:39 pm

    @ Rodan:

    He’s a sore Lugar. Fuck him. But you are right, had he won the Tea PArty would have been expected to play nice. That i sjust the way it is.. If/When Mourdock wins, though, I don’t expect him to pay any attention to Lugar in whatever lobbying position he has taken.


  59. 59 | May 9, 2012 1:40 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    I know people in NY who do that. They are ruining it for people like your niece, who need it. They smash it up and sniff it.


  60. 60 | May 9, 2012 1:41 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    This happens every time!


  61. 61 | May 9, 2012 1:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    In other words, they are short sighted and naive and don’t see the big picture.

    Yes and no, but yea, more or less. They suffer from information overload and crisis overload.

    Kay: We do not discharge our weapons in view of the public!
    Jay: Man, we ain’t got time for this cover-up bullshit! I don’t know whether or not you’ve forgotten, but there’s an Arquillian Battle Cruiser that’s about to…
    Kay: There’s always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague that is about to wipe out all life on this miserable little planet, and the only way these people can get on with their happy lives is that they DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT!


  62. NoThreat2U
    62 | May 9, 2012 1:44 pm

    @ Rodan:
    My niece doesn’t need it though. SHe is just a pill head. lol When my father was in pain and dying they only gave him a script of five at a time. I know druggies who get scripts of 90 or more!


  63. 63 | May 9, 2012 1:45 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I can agree to that, but still the Arab lobby is very powerful. The House of Saud and the Muslin Brotherhood do have massive influence in our poultices. So your explanation and my theory may not contradict the other. It’s very possible for someone like McCain to be bought out, but possible for someone like Rubio to be not informed of the truth.


  64. 64 | May 9, 2012 1:46 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Yup many doctors are making money on the side selling scripts.


  65. Speranza
    65 | May 9, 2012 1:49 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Yup many doctors are making money on the side selling scripts.

    More then you realize. Canada is a conduit for many pharmacists.


  66. heysoos
    66 | May 9, 2012 1:50 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ NoThreat2U:
    I know people in NY who do that. They are ruining it for people like your niece, who need it. They smash it up and sniff it.

    there is no rhyme or reason to pain killer scrips nationwide…in MI my sister fights for every presription, has dosage and severe time restrictions etc (migrains)….while here in New Mexico, I was sick for over three years and finally had my leg amputated, I was given all the Vicoden or whatever else I wanted, anytime, any amount…of course I got strung out but I knew that was gonna happen and so did my doctors…I just dealt with it


  67. 67 | May 9, 2012 1:50 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    I can agree to that, but still the Arab lobby is very powerful. The House of Saud and the Muslin Brotherhood do have massive influence in our poultices. So your explanation and my theory may not contradict the other. It’s very possible for someone like McCain to be bought out, but possible for someone like Rubio to be not informed of the truth.

    Like I said, I just don’t buy conspiracy theories, especially when their is a painfully simple and mundane explanation sitting on my chest.


  68. Speranza
    68 | May 9, 2012 1:50 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Jerusalem was under Roman control when Mohammad died. they made no references to a man on a flying unicorn!

    Actually Byzantine control.


  69. 69 | May 9, 2012 1:51 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yup, they go through Canadian companies that sell generic brands.


  70. Speranza
    70 | May 9, 2012 1:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Kind of like that ABSCAM Democrat that croaked last year. I can’t even remember his name now. How fleeting is the fame?

    John Murtha.

    One of the creepiest Democrats in congress. He had the puffy, wrinkly, red face of a true alcoholic.


  71. NoThreat2U
    71 | May 9, 2012 1:52 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I know two people who never were in really really severe pain that both got scripts of Oxys….from 10mg to 40 mg. They financed their life by selling them. Oxys are for cancer patients and neither of these two had any pain near that! Than goodness the doctor lost his license.


  72. Speranza
    72 | May 9, 2012 1:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Yup, they go through Canadian companies that sell generic brands.

    A lot of these pharmacists who run these fly by night pharmacies (in Brooklyn) are Russians.


  73. 73 | May 9, 2012 1:54 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Eastern Roman would be the historically correct term.


  74. 74 | May 9, 2012 1:54 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Russian Mob is big into that stuff.


  75. NoThreat2U
    75 | May 9, 2012 1:55 pm

    @ heysoos:
    I had no idea you lost a leg. Oh you poor man. Diabetes?


  76. 76 | May 9, 2012 1:56 pm

    @ Speranza:

    He was a very nasty individual. He kept getting re-elcted because he provided $10 hour jobs to people in Jonestown. Meanwhile their industries died and he kept them on the dole so they can be dependent on him. That’s Democratic MO!

    Coldwarrior can explain it better.


  77. 77 | May 9, 2012 1:57 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I know two people who never were in really really severe pain that both got scripts of Oxys….from 10mg to 40 mg. They financed their life by selling them. Oxys are for cancer patients and neither of these two had any pain near that! Than goodness the doctor lost his license.

    I thank God that I never acquired any taste for pharmaceutical narcotics. Getting clean and free of the illegal ones was bad enough.


  78. 78 | May 9, 2012 1:57 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I am 1/2 way. I think its a combo of both. The Arab Lobby is very powerful. They run the State Department.


  79. NoThreat2U
    79 | May 9, 2012 1:58 pm

    @ Rodan:
    ….and now his second hand man, Critz, won against Altmire…who was much better. Since the redistricting, Critz got labor on his side. This is gonna suck for western PA.


  80. 80 | May 9, 2012 1:58 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Yup, in Florida they have pill mills. Anyone can get a script and get vas many as they want. They are starting to crack down. It depends state to state.


  81. 81 | May 9, 2012 1:59 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    From what Cold said, Critz will go down. Altmire won by teh skin of his teeth. Critz is to his left so alot of Altmire voters will switch to the GOP. That’s what Cold says.

    WHat do you think?


  82. heysoos
    82 | May 9, 2012 1:59 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    peripheral arteriole disease….my femoral artery was clogged up just below my knee…I had five bypass surgeries to try and save my leg…nine surgeries in all and several scope procedures…a fucked up mess…but I ate vicodin and oxycodone like candy….had to…but don’t feel sorry for me, I’m sorta fine now


  83. 83 | May 9, 2012 2:00 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I never saw anything great about pills.


  84. NoThreat2U
    84 | May 9, 2012 2:00 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    I can imagine. I have taken vicodin for back pain. I would snap a pill in half and then in half again because I don’t like being drugged up. But after a few days of NOT taking any, I swear I got dope sick. I won’t touch them at all now.


  85. NoThreat2U
    85 | May 9, 2012 2:03 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Altmire lost…he will not be on the ballot. I hope Critz does go down. Altmire’s last challenger, an R, only lost by a small margin last election. But again, with the redistricting, Critz does have an advantage.

    @ heysoos:
    I didn’t realize PAD could lead to amputation. All that surgery couldn’t save your leg? Wow! Hope you keep getting better and better :)


  86. 86 | May 9, 2012 2:05 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    I can imagine. I have taken vicodin for back pain. I would snap a pill in half and then in half again because I don’t like being drugged up. But after a few days of NOT taking any, I swear I got dope sick. I won’t touch them at all now.

    Drugged up on Vicodin? ROTFLMAO… Please, Vicodin is just really strong aspirin. :lol: :lol: :lol:


  87. 87 | May 9, 2012 2:07 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I just find that stuff nasty. I understand if you have to use it, but recreationaly, no way.


  88. NoThreat2U
    88 | May 9, 2012 2:07 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    Not to me! lol Maybe rock stars have a higher tolerance for it??? lol


  89. heysoos
    89 | May 9, 2012 2:08 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    I’m going skiing this coming winter come hell or high water…it’s been almost five years since I hit the slopes…I’m determined…it was one year to the day from the big chop til I got my prosthesis and I used a walker the whole time…my leg would just not heal…oh well, that was then…forge ahead


  90. 90 | May 9, 2012 2:10 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Live your life!


  91. NoThreat2U
    91 | May 9, 2012 2:11 pm

    Go look at this pic and tell me, does he look stoned or what???

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46516


  92. heysoos
    92 | May 9, 2012 2:11 pm

    @ Rodan:

    rule of thumb…
    when used for pain, there is very little buzz…for recreation, 3-4 7.5′s can put you down completely, like out


  93. 93 | May 9, 2012 2:12 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Alot of people use it with Alcohol. They are playing with Russian roulette.


  94. heysoos
    94 | May 9, 2012 2:12 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    maybe a little hash


  95. 95 | May 9, 2012 2:12 pm

    @ Rodan:

    The funny thing about percocet is that it isn’t the opiate in it that is bad for you . The Tylonol in it will eat up you r liver if you abuse it. I am for legalizing the shit, anyway. You can have DWI laws to keep people off the roads. If they want to drug themselves up, why should the State stand in their way?


  96. 96 | May 9, 2012 2:12 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    He’s coked up. Why you think he’s so skinny? Normally Presidents gain weight. Obama is thinner. He’s doing white lines.


  97. NoThreat2U
    97 | May 9, 2012 2:13 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Upward and onward! You go on with yer bad self!! lol


  98. 98 | May 9, 2012 2:14 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I agree. The true Conservative position if to have drugs legal and regulate it like alcohol. If I want to smoke weed in my house, I should not have the risk of getting arrested. Its my property and I am bothering no one.


  99. heysoos
    99 | May 9, 2012 2:15 pm

    @ Rodan:

    that’s when your liver gets pounded….as for opiates, the liver can tolerate quite a bit if you stay within the dosage…repeated overdosing is what really fucks up the liver….last year I had a biopsy and my liver is fine….just damned lucky


  100. NoThreat2U
    100 | May 9, 2012 2:15 pm

    We need a close up look at Ohole’s teeth. Check for meth use. lol And his eyes are too droopy in that pic to be coked up….dude is stoned on something.


  101. 101 | May 9, 2012 2:15 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The reason no one wants drugs legal is because of the Police-Prison-Lawyer Industrial complex.


  102. heysoos
    102 | May 9, 2012 2:16 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    The funny thing about percocet is that it isn’t the opiate in it that is bad for you . The Tylonol in it will eat up you r liver if you abuse it. I am for legalizing the shit, anyway. You can have DWI laws to keep people off the roads. If they want to drug themselves up, why should the State stand in their way?

    exactly correct….tylenol eats up the liver, some very nasty shit


  103. 103 | May 9, 2012 2:17 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Everyone’s body reacts different to drugs. Some have higher tolerance than others.


  104. 104 | May 9, 2012 2:20 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yep, too many people making too much money off of drugs being illegal. The responbsible answer is personal responsibility. I don’t know if usage would go up or down ( I suspect it would be a wash, though more people might use pot or hash in place of alcohol), but it would free up law enforcement resources to go after the people who are really dangers to society.


  105. NoThreat2U
    105 | May 9, 2012 2:22 pm

    @ heysoos:
    I am scared shitless to touch tylenol with my liver disease. SOmetimes I wonder if that is what did some or most of the damage.


  106. heysoos
    106 | May 9, 2012 2:23 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Yep, too many people making too much money off of drugs being illegal. The responbsible answer is personal responsibility. I don’t know if usage would go up or down ( I suspect it would be a wash, though more people might use pot or hash in place of alcohol), but it would free up law enforcement resources to go after the people who are really dangers to society.

    ah, that would be congress, the cat’s that write the laws in the first place…lol


  107. 107 | May 9, 2012 2:24 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Not to me! lol Maybe rock stars have a higher tolerance for it??? lol

    Pain medication doesn’t work on me quite the same way it does on most people. Probably because of the fact that I am always in some low level pain. That and I was exposed to a lot of very powerful morphine derived drugs as a infant, lot of surgery on my feet way back in the early 60′s.

    I was having a particularly bad day pain wise a couple months ago, so my brother gave me one of his not opiate derived pain pills (he had back surgery recently for a fused disc) all I can say is… Wow… It took away all of my usual pain and left me feeling incredible uncomfortable. I could literally feel all of the places in my body that normally hurt, not hurting, and it totally freaked me out in a not good way… He gave me four pills, and I gave him back 3 because I couldn’t deal with how it made me feel. (yea, low level pain has been my most constant companion for my entire life, almost to the point where it is a friend).


  108. 108 | May 9, 2012 2:25 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I agree. I’ll be honest, if drugs were legal, I would smoke more weed than I drink. Alcohol is worse than weed. You were a bouncer once and know exactly what i mean by that. Its easier to deal with someone high, than someone drunk off hard liquor.


  109. heysoos
    109 | May 9, 2012 2:26 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    the liver is built like a tank and can take an impressive amt of abuse…there is a limit, but up to that point the liver will keep chugging along…you can really trash your body and not much happens til you cross the line


  110. 110 | May 9, 2012 2:27 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    He gave me four pills, and I gave him back 3 because I couldn’t deal with how it made me feel.

    Smart move. You stopped a potential addiction in its tracks.


  111. 111 | May 9, 2012 2:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I agree. The true Conservative position if to have drugs legal and regulate it like alcohol. If I want to smoke weed in my house, I should not have the risk of getting arrested. Its my property and I am bothering no one.

    ROTFLMAO… NO, that is the Libertarian position. :razz:


  112. NoThreat2U
    112 | May 9, 2012 2:28 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    What was it that he gave you? I am a big fan of demerol. I have ended up in the ER with severe back pain and that is what they give me. Sometimes I think constant low level pain is worse then a severe pain that eventually goes away. Sometimes my back hurts so bad that I can’t even breathe.


  113. 113 | May 9, 2012 2:30 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Actually it could be both.


  114. 114 | May 9, 2012 2:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    He gave me four pills, and I gave him back 3 because I couldn’t deal with how it made me feel.
    Smart move. You stopped a potential addiction in its tracks.

    Na, no danger of me getting addicted to that stuff. In order to get addicted to something there has to be something about it that you really like. And I most assuredly did not like what those pills did to me.


  115. 115 | May 9, 2012 2:30 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Demerol is good. When I had my wisdom teeth removed, they gave me a demerol and a vallium. Wow! A little too much, but wow!


  116. heysoos
    116 | May 9, 2012 2:32 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    valium is some nice stuff…highly addictive because of it


  117. NoThreat2U
    117 | May 9, 2012 2:32 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Me no likee valium. lol The demerol takes enough of the edge off the pain but doesn’t make me feel zoned out.


  118. 118 | May 9, 2012 2:35 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Demerol is a synthetic morphine analog. Fun stuff, but highly addictive. IIRC, I had Demerol IV after my surgery, but it was in lower doses. And no vallium. Wah… :P


  119. Speranza
    119 | May 9, 2012 2:36 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    He was a very nasty individual. He kept getting re-elcted because he provided $10 hour jobs to people in Jonestown. Meanwhile their industries died and he kept them on the dole so they can be dependent on him. That’s Democratic MO!
    Coldwarrior can explain it better.

    Yes I do recall Coldwarrior giving us the lowdown on John Murtha’s little political/jobs games.


  120. 120 | May 9, 2012 2:37 pm

    New Thread.


  121. Speranza
    121 | May 9, 2012 2:37 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Demerol is good. When I had my wisdom teeth removed, they gave me a demerol and a vallium. Wow! A little too much, but wow!

    Geez I hated having my wisdom tooth removed. The real pain was afterwards -- it felt like my jaw was broken.


  122. 122 | May 9, 2012 2:38 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yup, I will see if he can do a post analyzing the situation in his district.


  123. 123 | May 9, 2012 2:38 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    What was it that he gave you? I am a big fan of demerol. I have ended up in the ER with severe back pain and that is what they give me. Sometimes I think constant low level pain is worse then a severe pain that eventually goes away. Sometimes my back hurts so bad that I can’t even breathe.

    I believe it was Tramadol, but I’m really not certain, only know that I really didn’t like it. Neither Demerol or Deloitte really do much for me either.


  124. 124 | May 9, 2012 2:38 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I’m getting that done in a few weeks.


  125. heysoos
    125 | May 9, 2012 2:38 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Demerol is a synthetic morphine analog. Fun stuff, but highly addictive. IIRC, I had Demerol IV after my surgery, but it was in lower doses. And no vallium. Wah…

    I believe demerol is off the market…too toxic and easily abused…you can cook and mainline that stuff


  126. NoThreat2U
    126 | May 9, 2012 2:45 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I prefer that while I am dying they put me on a demerol drip instead of morphine. I got this shit all planned. lol

    @ doriangrey:
    I had some tramadol for back pain but it wasn’t even close to flexaril for me. DIdn’t do shit for pain. It’s funny how some meds can knock people on their ass while the same ones don’t do a damn thing for other people.

    @ heysoos:
    I know of a boy who died of a morphine overdose. They seem to think that having it in patch form as opposed to pills makes it harder to abuse. Not true. They actually open the patch up and LICK the morphine. Morphine scares me.


  127. 127 | May 9, 2012 2:45 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Demerol is a synthetic morphine analog. Fun stuff, but highly addictive. IIRC, I had Demerol IV after my surgery, but it was in lower doses. And no vallium. Wah…

    Demerol and Deloitte are pretty damned strong stuff, provided you have never been exposed to morphine sulfate. I had about 12 surgeries on my feet between being born and the age of 7, all way back in the early 60′s. One of the side affects of the really strong opiate based drugs is, that once you build up a tolerance to them, that tolerance never goes away.


  128. 128 | May 9, 2012 2:49 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I’m getting that done in a few weeks.

    Two Vicodin every 4 hours was more than enough for me. (in fact I quit taking it because it gave me tinnitus) and made me itch like crazy, oh and gave me insomnia and constipated me… :shock:


  129. Speranza
    129 | May 9, 2012 2:55 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I’m getting that done in a few weeks.

    Ask me about using a wet teabag to stop the bleeding.


  130. Speranza
    130 | May 9, 2012 2:57 pm

    I don’t know why mother nature gave us wisdom teeth and an appendix.


  131. Speranza
    131 | May 9, 2012 2:58 pm

    When I had arthroscopic surgery on my torn meniscus back in 1998, I used vicodin as a pain killer.


  132. 132 | May 9, 2012 3:13 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I don’t know why mother nature gave us wisdom teeth and an appendix.

    Because nature is cruel and has a vicious sense of humor… :twisted:


  133. Lily
    133 | May 9, 2012 3:16 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Demerol is a synthetic morphine analog. Fun stuff, but highly addictive. IIRC, I had Demerol IV after my surgery, but it was in lower doses. And no vallium. Wah…

    I believe demerol is off the market…too toxic and easily abused…you can cook and mainline that stuff

    Nope … it is still being used for pain.


  134. NoThreat2U
    134 | May 9, 2012 3:17 pm

    My daughter took Paragoric as a baby…a little baby. That is an opiate. I myself took phenobarbitol as a child for seizures.


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