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The war between wars

by Speranza ( 54 Comments › )
Filed under Egypt, IDF, Iran, Israel, Lebanon, Sudan and South Sudan, Syria at May 14th, 2012 - 5:00 pm

There are so many battles being waged in Israel’s covert war against Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas that never see the light of  newspapers.

by Yaakov Katz

‘The war between wars.” This is the term that IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Benny Gantz uses to describe the covert operations that the military’s special forces carry out during times of apparent quiet.

This war is fought by anonymous commandos whose missions mostly remain unknown to the public, as well as by large parts of the Israeli defense establishment. Once in a while, Israelis get a taste of what this so-called war entails.
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Last March, a similar operation succeeded. Commandos from the Shayetet, intercepted a cargo ship called Victoria that was carrying some 50 tons of weaponry – including radar-guided anti-ship missiles – and was on its way to Egypt. The arms were believed to be intended for terrorist organizations in the Gaza Strip.

But these are just two examples. A few months ago, The Jerusalem Post revealed that overseas covert operations conducted by the IDF have doubled over the past year, an indication of the growing threats Israel faces in the region.

Most of the details about these operations are classified, including the exact number, but according to foreign reports, the IDF has operated in places such as Sudan, Lebanon and Iran.

The increase in operations is not without purpose and, according to senior officers intimately familiar with the activity, the man responsible for the increase is Gantz, who believes that the IDF cannot sit idly by as its enemies – particularly Hezbollah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad – build up militarily.

“He puts a major emphasis on this so-called war between wars,” a senior member of the IDF General Staff explained recently. “Not only do these operations provide tangible results but they also send a message to our adversaries and boost deterrence.”

Currently, the IDF has three main units that make up its elite commando force – the navy’s Shayetet, the General Staff Reconnaissance Unit – better known as Sayeret Matkal – and the Israel Air Force’s Shaldag Unit, which reportedly conducts target designation for IAF fighter jets behind enemy lines.

After almost a decade of consideration, Gantz finally decided in December to consolidate the elite units under a new formation called the Depth Corps. To lead the corps, Gantz brought out of retirement Maj.-Gen. Shai Avital, a former commander of Sayeret Matkal, who also happens to be a close friend of Defense Minister Ehud Barak.

Avital has spent the months since the corps’ establishment hiring officers to fill its growing ranks.

 

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The corps’ job is split into two categories.

While Israel’s special forces have had some spectacular successes in recent years, there has been a feeling within the General Staff already since the Second Lebanon War that the units could do more if they worked together more closely.

As yet, there are no plans to establish new units and the current situation, under which the IAF is in command of Shaldag, Military Intelligence is in command of Sayeret Matkal and the navy in command of the Shayetet, will remain for purposes of training.

What will change is that the operations from now will be directed by Avital, who will be directly subordinate to Gantz. This will mean that the units will be activated by a single command who will know best how to integrate their various capabilities with the objective of bringing out the best result possible depending on the mission.

In addition, another possibility under consideration is to beef up Shaldag which, while considered one of the most elite units in the military, is relatively small in manpower in comparison to the other two units – Sayeret Matkal and Shayetet.

The command’s second role is overseeing larger-scale military operations deep in enemy territory like Lebanon or Syria.

While each of these fronts has a regional command responsible for it, the Northern Command is set up to operate until a certain line in Lebanon and Syria and not further.

The same is the case with the Southern Command along the Sinai border.

The problem is that in a future war, due, for example, to Hezbollah’s new long-range missiles, the war will need to be fought not just in the villages of Southern Lebanon like in 2006 but also deeper inside Lebanon.

With the increase in the rate of operations and the bolstering of its special forces, the IDF is now looking at new platforms for how to transport the units to their destinations.

Currently, these units are mostly flown by Sikorsky CH-53 and Black Hawk helicopters, but the threat to these aircraft has grown with the proliferation of surface-to-air missile systems throughout the region.

This was demonstrated last August in the attacks along the Egyptian border when terrorists fired a missile at an Israeli attack helicopter. The missile, which missed the target, is believed to have originated in Libya where it was smuggled into the Sinai Peninsula as well as the Gaza Strip.

As a result, the IAF is pushing hard to receive a budget to purchase a number of V-22 Ospreys, the only tiltrotor aircraft in the world today that can take off and hover like a helicopter and then fly at speeds and altitudes like an airplane.

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  1. heysoos
    1 | May 14, 2012 6:06 pm

    IDF…bad ass


  2. yenta-fada
    2 | May 14, 2012 6:14 pm

    From Ynet News:

    Any military strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities would likely spark a deadly response from its ally Hezbollah, whose leader Hassan Nasrallah warned on Friday that its missiles could strike anywhere inside the Jewish state.

    But (Israeli) senior military officials do not believe Nasrallah wants another war with Israel and would only attack as a direct result of orders from Tehran.“The biggest spending of Iran in 30 years has been on the nuclear program, and Hezbollah is the second,” the Israeli official told AFP, adding that Tehran’s aim was to create “Iranian footprints near the border with Israel.”
    “If something would happen in Iran, it’s a tool that they can use in all kinds of scenarios,” he said.
    “They (Iran) have so many high-ranking officials in Lebanon. I don’t think this is a decision of Nasrallah — he will get orders. That’s why he was created,” said the official.
    “If you ask Nasrallah today, he would say ‘no’ (to a new war with Israel) but I don’t think that’s his call,” he said. “Nasrallah understood the power of Israel and he is still licking his wounds.”

    He said other scenarios which could spark a new conflict between Israel and Hezbollah include an attack on Israelis abroad or the transfer to Hezbollah of chemical weapons from Syria, in the midst of its brutal crackdown on protests.
    Any new confrontation would likely be over much faster than the 34-day conflict which erupted in July 2006, said the military official for the northern region which borders Israel.

    “This will be much shorter, much faster than the month” it took last time, he said. “The most important mission today is to win decisively in any kind of war in Lebanon. If you win, you win — everybody sees it.”
    He said Israel’s biggest challenge in any new conflict would be Hezbollah’s positioning of weapons in the heart of civilian areas in around 100 Lebanese towns and villages along the border.
    “In the villages there are three-story houses: on one floor there are rockets, then there is a family on the next floor, then a (military) headquarters then another family. The people that live there are human shields,” he said “Every Shiite village has become such a compound. The great challenge will be to deal with all these compounds.”


  3. Bob in Breckenridge
    3 | May 14, 2012 6:16 pm

    ‘If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel’ – Benjamin Netanyahu


  4. Lily
    4 | May 14, 2012 6:19 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    They have no respect for life, hiding behind human shields is there standard operating procedure. Then they scream to the media about civilians being murdered by the Israeli’s and the media laps it up. That is there whole intention. They care nothing for civilians.


  5. Lily
    5 | May 14, 2012 6:24 pm

    At least Israel knows who the enemy is. The United States on the other hand seems to be bending even more backwards concerning this threat. Insanity at best…bho’s Justice Department is criminal in my opinion.

    Obama Justice Department, FBI Co-Sponsoring Workshop On “Combating Islamophobia”…

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/05/14/obama-justice-department-fbi-co-sponsoring-workshop-on-combating-islamophobia/#comments


  6. Bob in Breckenridge
    6 | May 14, 2012 6:27 pm

    Lily wrote:

    At least Israel knows who the enemy is. The United States on the other hand seems to be bending even more backwards concerning this threat. Insanity at best…bho’s Justice Department is criminal in my opinion.
    Obama Justice Department, FBI Co-Sponsoring Workshop On “Combating Islamophobia”…
    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/05/14/obama-justice-department-fbi-co-sponsoring-workshop-on-combating-islamophobia/#comments

    I’ll keep saying how I hate the word “Islamophobia”. I don’t fear Islam or the muzz swine, I detest the pieces of shit motherf**kerin’ 7th century savages.


  7. Lily
    7 | May 14, 2012 6:30 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    It’s a made up word that only allows Islam to play the victim.


  8. 8 | May 14, 2012 6:33 pm

    @ Lily:

    NOTHING Холдер does surprises me anymore…and I daresay everyone else here too!


  9. 9 | May 14, 2012 6:40 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ Lily:
    NOTHING Холдер does surprises me anymore…and I daresay everyone else here too!

    An honest to god good faith effort on my part to find a single thing Obama has ever done that surprised me would probably give me an aneurism.


  10. heysoos
    10 | May 14, 2012 6:44 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    BO shot those pirates with his bare hands, then killed OBL with a Bic pen…get with it


  11. Lily
    11 | May 14, 2012 6:46 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    To be frankly honest each and every day brings some new outrage he is doing to the United States. Am I surprised, no. The only thing that surprises me is more people aren’t speaking up about what he is doing.


  12. heysoos
    12 | May 14, 2012 6:48 pm

    @ Lily:
    one persons outrage is another person’s ho hum…BO doesn’t outrage me, he’s just another guy that’s president…presidents are small time these days


  13. Lily
    13 | May 14, 2012 6:50 pm

    My, my, my. First she is jealous of Opray Winfrey and now this comes out…trouble in paradise.

    Book: Mooch Threatened To Divorce Barack After He Lost Congressional Race In 2000…

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/05/14/book-mooch-threatened-to-divorce-barack-after-he-lose-congressional-race-in-2000/


  14. citizen_q
    14 | May 14, 2012 6:51 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    “In the villages there are three-story houses: on one floor there are rockets, then there is a family on the next floor, then a (military) headquarters then another family. The people that live there are human shields,” he said “Every Shiite village has become such a compound. The great challenge will be to deal with all these compounds.”

    Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t the usage of human shields a war crime? Stop laughing, I know muzzies don’t abide by the Geneva Convention, or any rule of civilized warfare or civilized anything for that matter.

    According to this little bit of google-foo, it would violate Protocol 1
    Additional to the Geneva Conventions, 1977; Chapter II: Civilians and Civilian Population; Article 51: Protection of the Civilian Population; Sub-article 7:

    The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favor or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.

    http://deoxy.org/wc/wc-proto.htm

    Not familiar with the source, however in the past I have read similar so I would expect the gist of it to be accurate.

    That being said I don’t give a whit about the muzzie human shields. I know supposedly it is bad PR for Israel if they are harmed. Look at the emotional lies about Israel killing babies (future suicide bombers) in gaza where the muzzies have used schools and hospitals as launching pads for missiles. It is hez-ba’al-ah that is endangering these people, not Israel in Lebanon, just as it is ham-ass endangering those in gaza.

    If I were Israel, I would loose the dogs of war, and defend myself as I see fit to protect my people. I would address this issue simply by citing the above. It is hez-ba’al-ah who cynically and deliberately put the civilians in harms way. It is laughable for them to cry crocodile tears when their plans reach fruition so the casualties could be used for propaganda.

    Besides according to their evil creed, those casualties are now martyrs enjoying allah’s cosmic bordello. If they believe their own religion they have been done a huge favor. Isn’t that the root of all that we love death more than the infidels love life blather originates? Israel should be thanked for each muslim it helps enjoy allah’s (piss be upon it) greatest rewards.


  15. Lily
    15 | May 14, 2012 6:53 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Aren’t they also committing a crime by not fighting in uniform also?
    The UN or the world seems to let this just slide by just like them using civilians as human shields.


  16. 16 | May 14, 2012 6:54 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t the usage of human shields a war crime?

    Not for Muslims it’s not, for them, it’s just a cultural idiom.


  17. 17 | May 14, 2012 6:55 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Aren’t they also committing a crime by not fighting in uniform also?
    The UN or the world seems to let this just slide by just like them using civilians as human shields.

    Both are considered acts of Perfidy by the Geneva Convention.


  18. 18 | May 14, 2012 6:55 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Aren’t they also committing a crime by not fighting in uniform also?
    The UN or the world seems to let this just slide by just like them using civilians as human shields.
    Both are considered acts of Perfidy by the Geneva Convention.

    I should also mention Islam loves it some Perfidy.


  19. citizen_q
    19 | May 14, 2012 6:56 pm

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    I’ll keep saying how I hate the word “Islamophobia”. I don’t fear Islam or the muzz swine, I detest the pieces of shit motherf**kerin’ 7th century savages.

    Lily wrote:

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:
    It’s a made up word that only allows Islam to play the victim.

    I would like to point out that a phobia is an irrational fear. My contempt for islam is entirely rational. It is based on their own scriptures, religious and legal rulings, history, words, and deeds.


  20. Lily
    20 | May 14, 2012 6:57 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    So does that mean the laws of the Geneva Convention doesn’t apply to them?


  21. Lily
    21 | May 14, 2012 6:58 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Excatly I have no fear of them. Contempt indeed.


  22. citizen_q
    22 | May 14, 2012 6:59 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    I should also mention Islam loves it some Perfidy.

    That’s not something else I have to look up in the urban dictionary like “Tossed Salad” from this morning is it?

    :-)


  23. 23 | May 14, 2012 7:05 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    I should also mention Islam loves it some Perfidy.
    That’s not something else I have to look up in the urban dictionary like “Tossed Salad” from this morning is it?

    The concept of Perfidy isn’t all that complex.

    perfidy
    [pur-fi-dee]   Example Sentences Origin
    per·fi·dy
       [pur-fi-dee] Show IPA
    noun, plural per·fi·dies.
    1.
    deliberate breach of faith or trust; faithlessness; treachery: perfidy that goes unpunished.
    2.
    an act or instance of faithlessness or treachery.
    Origin:
    1585–95; < Latin perfidia faithlessness, equivalent to perfid ( us ) faithless, literally, through (i.e., beyond the limits of) faith ( per- per- + fid ( ēs ) faith + -us adj. suffix) + -ia -y3

    The Geneva Conventions legal definition is a bit more complex. Hiding weapons in an ambulance, offering up a white flag and then attacking, fighting from inside a hospital or church, using children as soldiers.


  24. Lily
    24 | May 14, 2012 7:14 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    But, but, the freedom fighters do all of that. :shock:


  25. 25 | May 14, 2012 7:16 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    But, but, the freedom fighters do all of that.

    Islam is the personification of Perfidy.


  26. Lily
    26 | May 14, 2012 7:18 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Indeed. Yet they are not called out on it. If one does then you are a bigot. It’s insane.


  27. citizen_q
    27 | May 14, 2012 7:21 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    But, but, the freedom fighters do all of that.

    Islam is the personification of Perfidy.

    Is there an evil, a perversion that is not embraced by islam? Even their cosmic bordello has rivers of wine, which is forbidden until a muzzie earns it by perishing while engaged in murder for for islam.


  28. Speranza
    28 | May 14, 2012 7:27 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    IDF…bad ass

    Someones got to be.


  29. heysoos
    29 | May 14, 2012 7:36 pm

    on the other hand, I can relate to rivers of wine and forbidden women


  30. Speranza
    30 | May 14, 2012 7:43 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    on the other hand, I can relate to rivers of wine and forbidden women

    Women in burkas do not turn me on though.


  31. yenta-fada
    31 | May 14, 2012 7:48 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Indeed. Yet they are not called out on it. If one does then you are a bigot. It’s insane.

    From Melanie Phillips, discussing Muslim men raping and ‘grooming’ non-muslim girls:

    “Like a mantra, people brainlessly intone ‘Islamophobia’, ‘racism’ or ‘BNP’. But the BNP, which really is racist and hates all who are not white Anglo-Saxons, has been able to make huge inroads on account of this issue precisely because the rest of society refuses to talk about it. Self-censorship has been an absolute gift to such true bigots by enabling them to pose heroically as the otherwise suppressed voice of the people. So decency has been doubly abandoned -- first by ignoring the plight of these poor girls, and second by giving a boost to the BNP.”


  32. Da_Beerfreak
    32 | May 14, 2012 7:48 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Napalm. :evil:


  33. song_and_dance_man
    33 | May 14, 2012 7:49 pm

    The IDF must be using newer tactics, since it’s been a long time since I’ve seen a good car swarm.

    Hey Macker, thanks for the call.


  34. heysoos
    34 | May 14, 2012 7:50 pm

    @ Speranza:
    you shell them like a pistachio til you get the perfect nut


  35. yenta-fada
    35 | May 14, 2012 7:54 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Napalm.

    The willfull blindness of the ‘mushrooms’ is infuriating.


  36. Lily
    36 | May 14, 2012 7:57 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Napalm.

    The willfull blindness of the ‘mushrooms’ is infuriating.

    Indeed it is. People turn their heads to this all in the name of tolerance.


  37. yenta-fada
    37 | May 14, 2012 8:00 pm

    Later, non-shrooms.


  38. Calo
    38 | May 14, 2012 8:03 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Macker wrote:
    @ Lily:
    NOTHING Холдер does surprises me anymore…and I daresay everyone else here too!

    An honest to god good faith effort on my part to find a single thing Obama has ever done that surprised me would probably give me an aneurism. aneurysm.

    Fixed. I feel better now.


  39. coldwarrior
    39 | May 14, 2012 8:07 pm

    @ Calo:

    :lol:

    hey, i have an interview in neuro-icu wednesday…wish me luck


  40. rain of lead
    40 | May 14, 2012 8:10 pm

    hey ya’ll


  41. Calo
    41 | May 14, 2012 8:11 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    That is my least favorite ICU. My little sister is a near ICU nurse.

    But, it is still an excellent place to learn a lot.


  42. rain of lead
    42 | May 14, 2012 8:11 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    LUCK!!!


  43. Calo
    43 | May 14, 2012 8:12 pm

    @ Calo:
    Spellcheck is EVIL

    *Neuro*


  44. coldwarrior
    44 | May 14, 2012 8:12 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    LUCK!!!

    thx


  45. coldwarrior
    45 | May 14, 2012 8:12 pm

    Calo wrote:

    @ Calo:
    Spellcheck is EVIL
    *Neuro*

    :lol:

    near icu?

    i was wondering about that


  46. rain of lead
    46 | May 14, 2012 8:13 pm

    *blink**blink*
    oh snap!
    .
    .
    .
    .
    bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

    Yikes! Black Pastor Tells CNN His Congregation Does Not Support Obama, Will Stay Home

    Wow. Rev. Dr. Emmett Burns, a prominent black pastor at the Rising Sun Baptist Church in Baltimore, spoke out publicly against Obama’s decision to support same-sex marriage. In an interview with CNN, he stated that his congregation not only does not support Obama, but they will stay home on November 6th. And, Reverend Burns is not the only one. Many other pastors across the country are, also, speaking out against the president during their Sunday sermons. Even Obama’s own pastor is disappointed, saying his decision to support gay marriage “may hurt the African American community’s support of the president”.

    Obama’s controversial decision may have garnered him favor with the gay community, but at the expense of his support from the black community, an important part of his base. In his interview, Rev. Burns predicted this would cost Obama the election.


  47. Da_Beerfreak
    47 | May 14, 2012 8:13 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Break a leg. :mrgreen:


  48. rain of lead
    48 | May 14, 2012 8:14 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    but….when ya got skilz, ya don’t need luck


  49. coldwarrior
    49 | May 14, 2012 8:15 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    but….when ya got skilz, ya don’t need luck

    i know enough to get me in big trouble…there is quite a learning curve ahead of me


  50. coldwarrior
    50 | May 14, 2012 8:15 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Break a leg.

    i hope not!

    ;)


  51. coldwarrior
    51 | May 14, 2012 8:16 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    Obama’s controversial decision may have garnered him favor with the gay community, but at the expense of his support from the black community, an important part of his base. In his interview, Rev. Burns predicted this would cost Obama the election.

    excellent news.

    0 has assumed that his fellow ‘african-americans’ would follow him blindly.

    hint for ya barry, homosexuality isnt a real popular topic among that group.


  52. CynicalConservative
    52 | May 14, 2012 8:17 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    Isn’t his charter something about healing… do no harm, etc? ;-)

    /lurk


  53. coldwarrior
    53 | May 14, 2012 8:19 pm

    @ CynicalConservative:

    ‘do no harm’ is a great place to start.


  54. coldwarrior
    54 | May 14, 2012 8:21 pm

    new thread


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