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Embracing dangerous delusions instead of our friends

by Speranza ( 75 Comments › )
Filed under Gaza, Israel, Middle East, Palestinians at May 21st, 2012 - 8:00 am

For years people like Thomas Friedman (and the idiotic, corrupt former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert) in order to frighten and/or bully Israel into giving in to the PLO’s demands always claim that unless Israel agrees to the Palestinian version of a “two-state solution”, there will be a “one-state solution” which would merge Israel with the West Bank and Gaza into one bi-national state. Caroline Glick agrees to a one-state solution involving Israel taking over the West Bank and sending the Palestinians there to Jordan.

by Caroline Glick

Two weeks ago, US Congressman Joe Walsh published an op-ed in the The Washington Times in which he called for the US and Israel to abandon the two-state solution.

After running through the record of Palestinian duplicity, failed governance, terrorism and bad faith, he called for Israel to apply its sovereignty to Judea and Samaria. In his words, Israel should “adopt the only solution that will bring true peace to the Middle East: a single Israeli state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. Israel is the only country in the region dedicated to peace and the only power capable of stable, just and democratic government in the region.”

The evidence that the two-state paradigm has failed is overwhelming. The Palestinians’ decision to reject statehood at Camp David in 2000 and launch a terror war against Israel made clear that they had not abandoned their refusal from 1947 to accept partition of the Land of Israel with the Jews.

So, too, the Palestinians’ election of Hamas in the 2006 elections, and their missile war against Israel from Gaza in the aftermath of Israel’s complete withdrawal from Gaza in 2005, all made clear that they are not interested in a Palestinian state. Rather, their chief desire is Israel’s annihilation.

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Indeed, the fact that there is no Palestinian leader willing to recognize Israel’s right to exist makes clear that if a Palestinian state is established in Judea and Samaria – in addition to the de facto Palestinian state in Gaza – that state will be in state of war with Israel. All territory under its control will be used to attack the rump Jewish state.

Given the abject failure of the two-state paradigm, it is abundantly clear that for all the complications that may be associated with the application of Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Samaria, it is a better option for Israel than Israeli surrender of the areas.

Walsh’s op-ed is not his first statement of support for Israeli annexation. Last September, ahead of the UN general assembly, Walsh authored Congressional Resolution 394 supporting Israel’s right to annex Judea and Samaria in the event that the Palestinians asked the UN to recognize a Palestinian state outside the framework of a peace treaty with Israel. Forty-four other congressmen co-sponsored the resolution.

And this makes sense.

The Palestinians’ decision to turn the issue of Palestinian statehood over to the UN constituted a substantive breach of the treaties the PLO signed with Israel. Those agreements stipulated that both sides agreed that their conflict would be solved through negotiations and not through unilateral actions. By ending negotiations with Israel and turning the issue of statehood over to the UN, the Palestinians canceled their treaties with Israel. Consequently, Israel is no longer bound by those accords and is free to take its own unilateral actions, including applying its laws to Judea and Samaria as it did in Jerusalem and the Golan Heights in the past.

FOR HIS unstinting support for Israel, Walsh has been subject to an unbridled assault by leftist American Jews. Ron Kampeas from JTA, for instance, attacked Walsh, accusing him of being no different than Israel’s enemies who seek to destroy Israel by ending its ability to define itself as a Jewish state through what they refer to as the “one-state solution.”

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For its part, the Jewish-run anti-Israel lobby J Street is mobilizing its supporters to bring about Walsh’s defeat in the November elections by soliciting contributions to his Democratic challenger. J Street executive director Jeremy Ben-Ami wrote that “Walsh’s prescription amounts to a call for an end to Israel as the democratic home of the Jewish people.”

It is hard to know where to begin a discussion of this assault in which Jewish Americans attacked one of Israel’s strongest supporters simply because he had the temerity to recognize reality and call for the US to support an Israeli victory against our enemies who seek our destruction.

First, it is important to consider the claim that Walsh went against the grain of American ideals by suggesting, “Those Palestinians who wish to may leave their Fatah- and Hamas-created slums and move to the original Palestinian state: Jordan. The British Mandate for Palestine created Jordan as the country for the Palestinians. That is the only justification for its creation. Even now, 75% of its population is of Palestinian descent.”

The fact of the matter is that the two-state paradigm rests on the assumption that the Palestinian state will be ethnically cleansed of Jews before it is established. Whereas Walsh somehow stands in opposition to American ideals for suggesting that the Palestinians may voluntarily immigrate to Jordan, Kampeas, Ben- Ami and their cohorts have no problem with the concept of a Jew-free Palestine and the forcible expulsion of up to 675,000 Jews from their homes in Judea, Samaria and eastern Jerusalem simply because they are Jewish.

Aside from their pernicious hypocrisy and moral blindness, what stands out in their assaults on Walsh is that they cannot tell the difference between Israel’s enemies that seek its destruction through the so-called one-state solution, and Israel’s friends, who want it to defeat its enemies and live with security and peace. For the likes of Kampeas and Ben-Ami, there is no difference between Walsh and Israel’s worst enemies.

PART OF this problem is their apparent unquestioning acceptance of the myth of a demographic time bomb. They seem not to have noticed that the Palestinian claim that by 2015 there will be an Arab majority west of the Jordan River is a complete fabrication.

The truth is that if Israel applied its laws to Judea and Samaria tomorrow and all the Palestinians in those areas received Israeli citizenship, Israel would still retain a two-thirds Jewish majority. Moreover, all the demographic trends for Israel, including increasing birthrates and positive immigration rates, are positive. And all the demographic trends for the Palestinians, including decreasing birthrates and negative immigration rates, are negative. According to Israeli demographic researcher Yoram Ettinger, by 2030, Jewish will likely comprise 80% of the population of Israel, Judea and Samaria.

So Ben-Ami’s argument that Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Samaria means the end of Israeli democracy is simply incorrect.

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The beauty of the two-state fable is that it puts the onus to make peace on Israel’s shoulders.

If it is true that the Palestinians want to make peace, then Israel must make peace. And if all the Palestinians require to make peace is for Israel to quit Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem, then that is what Israel must do, together with the 675,000 Jews who live there.

The real tragedy is of course not that the likes of Kampeas and Ben-Ami maintain faith with the fairy tale of Palestinian willingness to live at peace with Israel. The real tragedy is that this myth has been the official policy of the government of Israel for the past 19 years. Since then prime minister Yitzhak Rabin launched the peace process with Yasser Arafat in September 1993, to greater or lesser degrees, every Israeli government has kept faith with the two-state solution lie.

It hasn’t mattered that the Palestinians rejected statehood and peace not once, but twice. It hasn’t mattered that the Palestinians received Gaza lock, stock and barrel with no strings attached and used the territory to launch an illegal missile war against Israeli civilians. The fact that both Arafat and his supposedly moderate successor Mahmoud Abbas rejected partition and maintained their devotion to Israel’s destruction did not stop Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu from bowing to US pressure and embracing this fool’s game.

People like Kampeas are the first to bemoan Israel’s sorry state in the realm of public diplomacy. They decry Israel’s hasbara efforts as pathetic and failed. But what they fail to acknowledge is that it is the two-state trap that makes the construction and execution of an effective public diplomacy strategy impossible.

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But you have to be blind to reality to view him as anything other than a friend of Israel.

Happily, not everyone in Israel remains paralyzed. Members of Knesset have launched repeated attempts in recent months to debate legislation calling for Israel to apply its sovereignty over all or parts of Judea and Samaria. Next Wednesday, MK Miri Regev is holding a conference to launch a new Knesset caucus calling for the adoption of this policy.

IN RECENT years, poll after poll has shown that the majority of Israelis do not believe that the two-state paradigm will bring peace or that if a Palestinian state is formed, it will live at peace with Israel.

And yet, because of the choke-hold that Kampeas and Ben-Ami’s Israeli counterparts have held over the national discourse, the Israeli people have been given no other option to consider. Rather, we have been told over and over again that giving our enemies a veto over our rights, land and security is the only alternative.

Walsh and the 44 congressmen who co-sponsored his resolution are Israel’s friends. We should take heart in their willingness to buck consensus and support us. And we should give careful and responsible consideration to their reasonable and supportive policy recommendations.

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  1. 1 | May 21, 2012 8:29 am

    Transfer is the most humane solution. The Palestinians are a cancer on the face of the earth, but it would be better for their Mohammedan brethern to deal with them than the civilized portions of the world. If the Jordanian “Palestinians” were transferred to Jordan (the real “Palestinian” State) and the Egyptian “Palestinians” were transferred to Egypt, there would be more peace and stability in the Middle East as a whole.


  2. citizen_q
    2 | May 21, 2012 8:38 am

    Don’t all the surrounding countries have laws preventing paleosimian citizenship and ownership of land?

    I believe those laws were put on place by their muslim brothers to keep them in camps, so they could be an open sore to use in their genocide of Jews and destruction of Israel.


  3. lobo91
    3 | May 21, 2012 8:56 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    Don’t all the surrounding countries have laws preventing paleosimian citizenship and ownership of land?
    I believe those laws were put on place by their muslim brothers to keep them in camps, so they could be an open sore to use in their genocide of Jews and destruction of Israel.

    That’s exactly why they’re there.

    Back when the PA was hinting about “unilaterally declaring” statehood last year, they even said that they weren’t going to give Palestinian citizenship to the people living in refugee camps within their territory.


  4. mawskrat
    4 | May 21, 2012 8:57 am

    @ citizen_q:

    exactly….no one wants the palestinians.
    they are just cannon fodder for the Arab
    agenda


  5. huckfunn
    5 | May 21, 2012 9:02 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    Don’t all the surrounding countries have laws preventing paleosimian citizenship and ownership of land?

    I believe those laws were put on place by their muslim brothers to keep them in camps, so they could be an open sore to use in their genocide of Jews and destruction of Israel.

    Yessir! The Paleos have been kicked out of both Jordan and Lebanon because as a people they are buccaneers and brigands. The destruction of Israel is their root cause. Statehood is just a head fake. The rest of the muzz world contributes very little but weapons and rhetoric to the Paleo cause. Keep ‘em poor and pissed off is the plan.


  6. 6 | May 21, 2012 9:02 am

    @ mawskrat:

    The “Palestinians” aren’t a lovable people. They fetishize murder and suicide, are almost to a man extremists, and even hate each other. There is a reason nearly all Christian “Palestinians” have left the disputed territories since the “Palestinians got their self-rule in place. It is ethnic/religious cleansing, more genocide than anything that Israel has rever done, and the world turns a blind eye. I am left feeling nothing but disgust for the world “leaders” who are responsible.


  7. 7 | May 21, 2012 9:07 am

    @ huckfunn:

    They are still in Lebanon, unfortunately.


  8. 8 | May 21, 2012 9:10 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Some of the Paleos are of Bosnian origins. That’s another reason why they are so beloved.


  9. huckfunn
    9 | May 21, 2012 9:10 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    They are still in Lebanon, unfortunately.

    Yep; The hezbos found them useful tools.


  10. 10 | May 21, 2012 9:10 am

    @ lobo91:

    See my #8, Many Palis are not even Arabs!


  11. 11 | May 21, 2012 9:11 am

    @ huckfunn:

    The funny part is some of the Palis are joining Al-Qaeda and will soon be fighting the Hezzies. Get some popcorn, I love Jihad vs. Jihad action!

    :evil:


  12. citizen_q
    12 | May 21, 2012 9:13 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I am left feeling nothing but disgust for the world “leaders” who are responsible.

    Don’t forget to include the MFM in your contempt. They are as important in the maintenance and exacerbation of the paleosimian cause as they are in creating and supporting obama.


  13. huckfunn
    13 | May 21, 2012 9:14 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    The funny part is some of the Palis are joining Al-Qaeda and will soon be fighting the Hezzies. Get some popcorn, I love Jihad vs. Jihad action!

    I remember the preferred T-shirt slogan on both sides of the Lebanon civil war was “Kill ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out”. Pass the popcorn, please.


  14. 14 | May 21, 2012 9:16 am

    @ huckfunn:

    See my #8, Some Palis are not even Arabs. They are descended of Bosnians and Albanians.


  15. citizen_q
    15 | May 21, 2012 9:20 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    The funny part is some of the Palis are joining Al-Qaeda and will soon be fighting the Hezzies. Get some popcorn, I love Jihad vs. Jihad action!

    IMHO we should be working to destabilize the global jihad by exploiting, maintaining and helping create sectarian and tribal rivalries. muslims need to kill for islam. I believe they are just happy if not happier if they are murdering those who practice a different form of islam.


  16. citizen_q
    16 | May 21, 2012 9:21 am

    @ huckfunn:
    Wasn’t that Vietnam?

    Irregardless I agree with the sentiment.


  17. 17 | May 21, 2012 9:25 am

    @ Rodan:

    You’ll like this article by VDH. Money quote:

    We should posit one simple rule about intervening in the Middle East from now on. Please some honesty: we intervene for strategic advantage (no apologies for that), not humanitarianism. If those who advocate taking out Assad claim that it is to stop the bloodshed, then they must explain why there—and not where far more are slaughtered in Africa.

    Again, state the proposed mission, debate the need and envisioned cost, articulate the strategic outcome, and then obtain it with overwhelming force—or otherwise forget it.

    I don’t want us intervening in Syria. There is no up-side for us in it.


  18. huckfunn
    18 | May 21, 2012 9:26 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    See my #8, Some Palis are not even Arabs. They are descended of Bosnians and Albanians.

    I saw that. Interesting. However, they’ve been swappin spit for well over 100 years to the point where there’s probably little distinction between a Bosnian paleo and a bedoin paleo.


  19. huckfunn
    19 | May 21, 2012 9:30 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    Wasn’t that Vietnam?

    Could be. I remember first seeing it during the Beirut bloodbath.


  20. Guggi
    20 | May 21, 2012 9:36 am

    Rodan wrote:

    They are descended of Bosnians and Albanians.

    ….and Circassians, Tartars, Afghans, Persians….


  21. 21 | May 21, 2012 9:38 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    That’s huge, VDH for a while was with the spread Democracy train. Now he sees what a waste it is. I’m glad many people are turning against this crap.


  22. citizen_q
    22 | May 21, 2012 9:41 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    Wasn’t that Vietnam?
    Could be. I remember first seeing it during the Beirut bloodbath.

    First I heard that phrase I think was from Vietnam. I think it had to do with taking fire from the VC who were not in uniform and could not be distinguished from non-combatants.


  23. 23 | May 21, 2012 9:41 am

    @ Guggi:

    Yes I forgot about the Circassians and those other groups Plus before recent times, Arabs born ion the Galilee called themselves Syrians. Ironically the only Palis who can claim to be real Arabs are the Christians. They are mostly descended from the Ghassainds (Banu Ghassan)who were an Arab Christian tribe that used to protect the Eastern Roman border.


  24. Guggi
    24 | May 21, 2012 9:45 am

    Bosnians in Palestine were the very reason why the Haganah was founded. Kibbuzim used to employ Bosnians to protect the Kibbuz but instead they betrayed them to the Arabs who robbed them (the Kibbuzim). The Jews founded their own security organization which also spyed on the Arabs to detect which Kibbuz would be robbed next and what the Arabs had in mind about the Jews. The Haganah was born. Especially Jewish sheperds did a very good job.


  25. huckfunn
    25 | May 21, 2012 9:50 am

    Facebook unfriended. Stock dives under $34.


  26. 26 | May 21, 2012 10:11 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    Facebook unfriended. Stock dives under $34.

    Heh.


  27. huckfunn
    27 | May 21, 2012 10:18 am

    @ Mike C.:
    That FB IPO was a sucker trap from day 1. You get a gig yet?


  28. mawskrat
    28 | May 21, 2012 10:22 am

    @ huckfunn:

    faceplant/


  29. buzzsawmonkey
    29 | May 21, 2012 10:22 am

    The Mosque Upon the Mount.


  30. huckfunn
    30 | May 21, 2012 10:27 am

    mawskrat wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    faceplant/

    Four reasons the Facebook IPO fizzled


  31. huckfunn
    31 | May 21, 2012 10:33 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    The Mosque Upon the Mount.

    Busted link. Why don’t you just sing it for us?


  32. mawskrat
    32 | May 21, 2012 10:36 am

    I like companies that actually produce
    things


  33. citizen_q
    33 | May 21, 2012 10:36 am

    @ huckfunn:
    Interesting. I did not really follow the Facebook IPO, however I did wonder about GM’s timing of it’s announcement to not advertise.


  34. huckfunn
    34 | May 21, 2012 10:38 am

    mawskrat wrote:

    I like companies that actually produce
    things

    You’re old-fashioned like that. :grin:


  35. 35 | May 21, 2012 10:40 am

    @ huckfunn:

    “Kill ‘em all, let God sort them out” goes back to the inquisition. One time they burned a Church with everyone inside, and one of the Inquisitors when asked about the innocent, said “Kill them all. GOd will know His own”.


  36. huckfunn
    36 | May 21, 2012 10:41 am

    @ citizen_q:
    I looked at it a few times on Friday and saw that it was dead in the water in spite of over 500mm shares being traded. I see that GM is trading in at $21.54. What a POS shit that thing has become. Only a matter of time before they’re looking for another dole.


  37. huckfunn
    37 | May 21, 2012 10:43 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    What a POS shit that thing has become.

    A double shitter no less.


  38. buzzsawmonkey
    38 | May 21, 2012 10:45 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    Busted link.

    It’s working for me—at the moment, anyway. The PJ Tatler site has been somewhat wonky this morning.


  39. huckfunn
    39 | May 21, 2012 10:47 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    “Kill ‘em all, let God sort them out” goes back to the inquisition. One time they burned a Church with everyone inside, and one of the Inquisitors when asked about the innocent, said “Kill them all. GOd will know His own”.

    Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.


  40. m
    40 | May 21, 2012 10:47 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yeah, it’s giving me the “hurry up and wait” icon ~:)


  41. citizen_q
    41 | May 21, 2012 10:48 am

    @ huckfunn:
    Hasn’t chairman O been touting how he saved the auto industry? How can that be if Government Motors will need another handout? ////


  42. huckfunn
    42 | May 21, 2012 10:49 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Hasn’t chairman O been touting how he saved the auto industry? How can that be if Government Motors will need another handout? ////

    You are doubting Comrade Leader? Off to the camps with you.


  43. mawskrat
    43 | May 21, 2012 10:50 am

    @ huckfunn:

    when Obamie takes control of gubment
    through some made up crisis we all will
    face the Obama Inquisitions at the gulag

    jus sayin….everything is in place


  44. 44 | May 21, 2012 10:51 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Look who McCain’s girlfriend is pushing as VP.

    Honestly If Jeb had a different last name, it would be a good idea. But that’s a no go.


  45. huckfunn
    45 | May 21, 2012 10:51 am

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    Busted link.

    It’s working for me—at the moment, anyway. The PJ Tatler site has been somewhat wonky this morning.

    It’s working now. Nice.


  46. 47 | May 21, 2012 10:54 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Nope, no gig yet. It’s like 1999 all over again…


  47. m
    48 | May 21, 2012 10:58 am

    What the Guardian won’t report: Attempted Palestinian kidnapping of Israeli mother & baby

    But they sure report the Israeli REACTION. The world disgusts me.


  48. 49 | May 21, 2012 10:58 am

    @ Mike C.:

    You should write a letter to these liars. They claim the job market is booming!

    I don’t get how these people can write articles like this with a straight face.


  49. 50 | May 21, 2012 10:59 am

    @ m:

    Palestinian are Muslim, they are the master race. They do no wrong. Remember Islam=good. Non Islamic = bad.


  50. mawskrat
    51 | May 21, 2012 11:02 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ m:

    Palestinian are Muslim, they are the master race. They do no wrong. Remember Islam=good. Non Islamic = bad.

    the whole world we be for Allah[swt]
    and I slam the only accepted religion
    on earth.

    read that some where


  51. mawskrat
    52 | May 21, 2012 11:02 am

    @ mawskrat:

    00ps will


  52. 53 | May 21, 2012 11:04 am

    @ mawskrat:

    The Koran!


  53. coldwarrior
    54 | May 21, 2012 11:04 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    mawskrat wrote:
    @ huckfunn:
    faceplant/

    Four reasons the Facebook IPO fizzled

    just wait till the market are allowed to short sell FB.

    then its katie bar the door!


  54. huckfunn
    55 | May 21, 2012 11:06 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Nope, no gig yet. It’s like 1999 all over again…

    Sorry to hear. I wish that I could offer some words of advise but my total knowledge of the overseas job mart for geo-fizziests is equal to squat. Good luck.


  55. huckfunn
    56 | May 21, 2012 11:07 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    just wait till the stock holders are allowed to short sell FB.

    then its katie bar the door!

    Yikes! Not that it will have any affect on me, but what is that time table?


  56. 57 | May 21, 2012 11:09 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    See my link in #49.


  57. 58 | May 21, 2012 11:13 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    just wait till the stock holders are allowed to short sell FB.
    then its katie bar the door!
    Yikes! Not that it will have any affect on me, but what is that time table?

    Technically you can do it immediately, realistically you can’t do it until your brokerage has share available to lend you.


  58. citizen_q
    59 | May 21, 2012 11:13 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ m:
    Palestinian are Muslim, they are the master race. They do no wrong. Remember Islam=good. Non Islamic = bad.

    Hand in hand with endemic british Jew hatred news will generally be biased towards the paleosimians.

    There is a part of me that does enjoy the problems at home briton is enjoying as a result of their support for islam. The fools think that playing nice with the koranimals will save them. They aught to take a lesson from the copts in egypt.


  59. 60 | May 21, 2012 11:14 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Oh… and my bet is that Facebook will fall victim to some very vicious and nasty Naked-shorting.


  60. coldwarrior
    61 | May 21, 2012 11:15 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    just wait till the stock holders are allowed to short sell FB.
    then its katie bar the door!
    Yikes! Not that it will have any affect on me, but what is that time table?

    Technically you can do it immediately, realistically you can’t do it until your brokerage has share available to lend you.

    was trying to keep it simple…


  61. 62 | May 21, 2012 11:16 am

    @ citizen_q:

    The EDL are the only people in the UK fighting back against Islam.


  62. huckfunn
    63 | May 21, 2012 11:18 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    was trying to keep it simple…

    Duh… thanks. :roll:


  63. coldwarrior
    64 | May 21, 2012 11:21 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    was trying to keep it simple…
    Duh… thanks.

    the underwriters wont lend any stock to short sell for 30 days…a brokerage would have to buy the shares to have them on hand to lend to the investor so he could short them (reduce their value)


  64. citizen_q
    66 | May 21, 2012 11:27 am

    @ Rodan:

    The problem is that you can’t fool all the people all of the time.

    What they are almost guaranteeing is an eventual widespread backlash. For example, I am guessing that those sub-human muzzies (redundant I know) who were running that prostitution ring chose their victims well. I can’t imagine a father or other close relative finding out, hearing that the authorities were ignoring the problem for fear of their jobs amid racism charges, and not going Charles Bronson in Death Wish, or gathering a mob to do the same.


  65. coldwarrior
    67 | May 21, 2012 11:33 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Got it. It appears that NASDAQ fumbled the ball on Friday and might be subject to some litigation.

    who won and lost on that i wonder.


  66. 68 | May 21, 2012 11:48 am

    @ Rodan:

    No, no more Bushes. We do not need an elected aristocracy here in the United States.


  67. 69 | May 21, 2012 11:53 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    No, no more Bushes. We do not need an elected aristocracy here in the United States.

    We already have one, now were just trying to figure out how to get rid of it.


  68. Bumr50
    70 | May 21, 2012 11:55 am

    *Arlen Specter evilly laughs*


  69. 71 | May 21, 2012 11:55 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Proven solutions are normally the best…


  70. 72 | May 21, 2012 12:07 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Proven solutions are normally the best…

    Yes, but how are we going to get three lawn flamingo’s to wear a pair of nylons?


  71. Bumr50
    73 | May 21, 2012 12:12 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Are the lawn flamingos giving you sh*t again?

    //

    8)


  72. 74 | May 21, 2012 12:13 pm

    @ doriangrey:


  73. 75 | May 21, 2012 12:34 pm

    New Thread.


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