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Andrew McCarthy warns Romney over Syria

by Rodan ( 198 Comments › )
Filed under Elections 2012, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Mitt Romney, Muslim Brotherhood, Progressives, Republican Party, Theocratic Progressives at June 3rd, 2012 - 12:00 pm

As much as I am impressed with Mitt Romney’s gloves off campaign with the American Pharaoh, there is one thing that irks me. For some reason, to appear tougher than Obama, Mitt Romney wants to invade and install an Islamist regime in Syria. I am no fan of the Assad regime, but the Muslim Brotherhood is not a better alternative. The Syrian war is Iran/Hizb’Allah/Assad Regime vs. Muslim Brotherhood/Al-Qaeda fighting out. Both sides are enemies of the US. Under normal circumstances we would sit by and let them destroy each other. Unfortunately there is a transnationalist Wilsonian Progressive clique that controls the foreign policy of both parties.

Mitt Romney is listening to the Tranzis who want to install another Islamic regime with American treasure and blood. The majority of Americans don’t want intervention in Syria, yet Romney is pushing this. Andrew McCarthy, who has taken on the Tranzi Pro-Islamist Wing of the GOP warns Mitt. He writes that there will be no good result for American intervention in Syria.

Congratulations to Mitt Romney. In calling for “opposition groups” to be armed and trained for their ongoing jihad against Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad, the GOP’s presidential contender has managed to align himself with al-Qaeda emir Ayman al-Zawahiri and Muslim Brotherhood icon Yusuf al-Qaradawi.

Like the legacy media, the McCain wing of the Republican party, and the rest of Washington’s progressive, Islamophilic clerisy, Governor Romney is reacting to a regime-engineered massacre last week. Assad’s forces reportedly killed 108 Syrians in Houla, a rural enclave outside the “opposition” city of Homs. Victims included women and children shot at close range, in summary-execution style.

 Yes, Assad’s minority Alawite Muslim regime is a key ally of Iran’s revolutionary Shiite-supremacist government. That does not alter the stubborn fact that the anti-Assad “opposition groups” are dominated by Sunni supremacists. Stubborn facts cannot be evaded by clever labeling — “opposition groups” in Syria having become the euphemism du jour that “rebels” was in Libya, “peaceful protesters” in Egypt, “uprisings” in Tunisia, and so on. 
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The Muslim Brotherhood, leader of the Sunni supremacists, has a hammer-lock on the Syrian National Council (SNC), the main opposition group the Obama administration has been courting — with the McCain wing cheering from the sidelines. Meanwhile, as trumpeted on the Brotherhood’s website, Sheikh Qaradawi has been organizing Syria’s Islamist revolt for months, reprising the starring role he is playing in Egypt. Al-Qaeda — whose help the Brotherhood is happy to have when it is expedient, as it was in Libya — put its muscle into the Syrian revolt months ago.

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Washington can idealize the Syrian “opposition” into liberty-loving freedom-fighters; to Syrian Christians, they are the jihad. With churches being torched, families being terrorized by kidnappings and murders, and thousands of believers being put to flight

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What Obama has been smart enough to do, at least to this point, is refrain from direct military aid, undoubtedly realizing that he would be blamed when, inevitably, it became clear that American arms went to America’s enemies. But McCain and the Brotherhood goaded the president into using force in Libya — where the victorious “rebels” quickly installed sharia law and parceled out Qaddafi’s arsenal to Hezbollah, Hamas, and al-Qaeda. Another misadventure in Syria, it seems, is only a matter of time.

In their anxiety over our nation’s future, conservatives see the upcoming November election as a make-or-break crossroads. Thus, the Right’s indifference to Mitt Romney, the only alternative to Obama’s reelection, is striking. But it is not bewildering, and stories like Syria’s go a long way toward explaining it. Desperation to avoid the third Carter term does not translate into enthusiasm over the specter of the third Bush administration.

Andrew McCarthy once again exposes the Islamist sympathies of Bi-Partisan elites in Washington. Once again the elites from the comfort of their homes want to send Americans to die in another war for Islamic Democracy. After 11 years of nation building, Americans in both parties have had enough. Mitt Romney has a golden opportunity to stand up to the Tranzi Progressive Wing of the GOP. Instead he is spouting their Pro Muslim Brotherhood  rhetoric.

If Mitt Romney wants a successful Presidency, besides governing as an economic/fiscal Conservative, he needs to stay out of Syria. Many Conservatives have learned the lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan. If Romney goes to war in Syria, his Presidency will be toast.

Americans are tired of Dhimmitude to Islamic interests!

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  1. Bumr50
    1 | June 3, 2012 1:20 pm

    Hey! Romney!

    Leave those thugs alone!

    All you are is just a…nother Globalist ho…


  2. waldensianspirit
    2 | June 3, 2012 1:28 pm

    If Romney goes ahead with this, then we’ll know he fully believes he is the tribe of Ephraim.


  3. heysoos
    3 | June 3, 2012 1:37 pm

    as for those with the noble intention of military involvement in Syrian affairs…please tell us just what it is the US can do with any dgree of success


  4. 4 | June 3, 2012 1:41 pm

    naw, Romney is probably just listening to that jackass McCain (and I don’t mean The Other..) who is now the full complement (ie, opposite) to MObama… he’s ashamed (ok, embarrassed) of his country for NOT invading Syria or some such similar idiotic thing.


  5. 5 | June 3, 2012 1:50 pm

    At least with Libya, there was a clear side to root FOR. Not because Sasha Baron al-Qaddafi was such an awesome guy, but at least he was neither on the Sunni nor the Shi’a side.


  6. Bumr50
    6 | June 3, 2012 1:51 pm

    @ Kirly:

    I can’t believe Romney shared a stage with McCain on Memorial Day.

    Bad, bad optics.


  7. 7 | June 3, 2012 2:00 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Kirly:

    I can’t believe Romney shared a stage with McCain on Memorial Day.

    Bad, bad optics.

    yes, it’s bad optics to us but McCain and Romney are part of the establishment wing of the Republican party so I can believe and I’m not the least bit surprised by it. In fact, I’ll bet McCain is advising him, hence my earlier comment.


  8. darkwords
    8 | June 3, 2012 2:01 pm

    One of Romney’s top advisors was a McCain advisor. Education. Could be a small world maybe. lack of a pool of qualified people?

    Romneys falls sway to the Dem false narratives.

    I agree with Rodan that we should just be hands off in Syria. What’s the Obama rush? Not enough salafists in power in the world? We would do better building a military base in Israel and killing the people that rocket attack us.


  9. darkwords
    9 | June 3, 2012 2:05 pm

    How McCain was community organized by Obama.

    ‘He was under a lot of pressure to stay above that kind of stuff about Wright,’ said the second adviser. ‘I personally wouldn’t have stayed above it but McCain was more than entitled to make that call.


  10. Bumr50
    10 | June 3, 2012 2:06 pm

    @ Kirly:

    After he appeared in front of Solyndra, I was hoping he was willing to completely smack Obama around.

    My fear is that Romney is not quite “establishment RINO” but woefully ignorant on foreign policy leaving him vulnerable to extremely bad advice from our neighborhood GOP interventionists.

    If I’m not mistaken, even John Bolton has been on board with this. Hopefully he takes McCarthy’s advice to heart.


  11. darkwords
    11 | June 3, 2012 2:08 pm

    Muslims in Syria are functionally naive. Wrongly educated. Living on unrealistic daydreams. If we help Assad we lose, if we help the other side we lose. Because their goals are not the same as ours. The only win there is to let Russia do its thing.

    Assad’s time is done though unless he can prop himself up through violence. Best we not be anyplace around.


  12. Guggi
    12 | June 3, 2012 2:15 pm

    OT

    George Zimmerman returns to police custody in Fla., AP reports

    The defense team for George Zimmerman, the man charged in the killing of Trayvon Martin, says he is in police custody in Florida, the Associated Press reports.

    Zimmerman’s legal team said in a tweet Sunday that he was in police custody, two days after a judge ordered him back to jail. Zimmerman’s bail was revoked because the judge said he and his wife lied to the court about their finances so he could obtain a lower bond.

    WaPo


  13. 13 | June 3, 2012 2:18 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Kirly:

    After he appeared in front of Solyndra, I was hoping he was willing to completely smack Obama around.

    My fear is that Romney is not quite “establishment RINO” but woefully ignorant on foreign policy leaving him vulnerable to extremely bad advice from our neighborhood GOP interventionists.

    If I’m not mistaken, even John Bolton has been on board with this. Hopefully he takes McCarthy’s advice to heart.

    on economics/finance I think Romney will smack Obamao around. but, i think that might be all he has if he’s taking advice from McCain and his advisors who Romney should know, helped McCain lose.


  14. Bumr50
    14 | June 3, 2012 2:29 pm

    @ Guggi:

    I think the Zimmermans got all of that money as part of a defense fund, and had no idea when, where, or how to claim that money as personal wealth.

    It seems to me a blatant and petty attempt to get Zimmerman behind bars, as they’re under pressure from God knows how many “groups.”

    The amount of money that they raised to help defend him isn’t even that much.

    The prosecution would have you believe that the Zimmermans were somehow hiding scads of money and were well off BEFORE the fact.

    It may be a legal maneuver, but it’s dirty pool.


  15. Bumr50
    15 | June 3, 2012 2:40 pm

    @ Kirly:

    Romney’s business acumen probably informs him to delegate responsibilities in areas that he’s not comfortable with, which makes it doubly damaging if he chooses the wrong people.


  16. Guggi
    16 | June 3, 2012 2:42 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    It may be a legal maneuver, but it’s dirty pool.

    It’s a shame.


  17. Bumr50
    17 | June 3, 2012 2:50 pm

    @ Guggi:

    We’ll see where they put him. If he doesn’t get house arrest or protective custody, we’ll know more about their agenda.


  18. Alberta Oil Peon
    18 | June 3, 2012 3:00 pm

    They probably should send Zimmerman to Gitmo, for his own safety. “General Pop” in any county lockup, State prison or whatever is likely to be dominated by individuals of the Trayvon Martin culture.


  19. darkwords
    19 | June 3, 2012 3:04 pm

    @ Alberta Oil Peon: or it will be how Obama and cronies killed Zimmerman


  20. heysoos
    20 | June 3, 2012 3:12 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    he’ll do the time in the county…around a year til the trial starts


  21. Bumr50
    21 | June 3, 2012 3:16 pm

    @ heysoos:

    His (new) attorney may be able to renegotiate a bond if he’s able to explain the situation, assuming Zimmerman wasn’t hiding any monies of his own when he pleaded indigence.


  22. heysoos
    22 | June 3, 2012 3:20 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    the judge felt he was deceived and rightly so…it’s a huge event because it probably will come back haunt him


  23. 23 | June 3, 2012 3:23 pm

    @ Bumr50:

    They are hoping somebody knifes him in jail to save them from losing at trial. I know exactly what they are thinking, and it is dispicable.


  24. Bumr50
    24 | June 3, 2012 3:30 pm

    @ heysoos:

    You think it’s justified even if Zimmerman was unclear on how much money he had due to the fact that his legal defense fund was a work in progress?

    I don’t think the Zimmermans or their attorneys had a clue as to what was going on with the defense fund, and I don’t think (assuming that’s the case) that he should be punished with jail time. If the issue was money, then he should simply up the bond. It’s not as if Zimmerman hi-tailed it with the loot.


  25. heysoos
    25 | June 3, 2012 3:34 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    I think the jailhouse phone calls to his wife are accurate…there should also be a record of PayPal emails to the primary addy, updates on the account are daily I believe…he lied, plain and simple


  26. heysoos
    26 | June 3, 2012 3:36 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    as for hightailing, there is the matter of the second passport that was very fishy, but the judge let that go…he presented himself as a fight risk…I’m trying to stay in the middle as usual, but this whole incident looks very bad


  27. Lily
    27 | June 3, 2012 3:37 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    naw, Romney is probably just listening to that jackass McCain (and I don’t mean The Other..) who is now the full complement (ie, opposite) to MObama… he’s ashamed (ok, embarrassed) of his country for NOT invading Syria or some such similar idiotic thing.

    Read this article in my newspaper today apparently obama is longing for a candidate like McCain to run against instead of Romney..So Romney is doing something right.

    http://www.camdenarknews.com/news/WireHeadlines/2012/06/03/what-s-this-obama-longs-for-gop-rival-li-73.php


  28. Lily
    28 | June 3, 2012 3:40 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Kirly:

    After he appeared in front of Solyndra, I was hoping he was willing to completely smack Obama around.

    My fear is that Romney is not quite “establishment RINO” but woefully ignorant on foreign policy leaving him vulnerable to extremely bad advice from our neighborhood GOP interventionists.

    If I’m not mistaken, even John Bolton has been on board with this. Hopefully he takes McCarthy’s advice to heart.

    Dorian put across clear reason for Syria…they have some dangerous weapons that should not get in the hands of the rebels. This is what Bolton is concerned with.


  29. heysoos
    29 | June 3, 2012 3:46 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Kirly wrote:

    naw, Romney is probably just listening to that jackass McCain (and I don’t mean The Other..) who is now the full complement (ie, opposite) to MObama… he’s ashamed (ok, embarrassed) of his country for NOT invading Syria or some such similar idiotic thing.

    Read this article in my newspaper today apparently obama is longing for a candidate like McCain to run against instead of Romney..So Romney is doing something right.
    http://www.camdenarknews.com/news/WireHeadlines/2012/06/03/what-s-this-obama-longs-for-gop-rival-li-73.php

    in the abstract, I don’t think Mitt can win this election, but I do think BO can lose it…his crew has no idea how to govern, let alone fight a tough, close election and even right at this moment BO is on the ropes…he has a poor record, claims of being aloof, donks fleeing him, younger voter ignoring him, some Jews are starting to whine (and rightly so), GI’s don’t like him, the Catholic Church is standing their ground, the far left is very disappointed and the economy sucks just as bad as when he was elected…on and on…Mitt has to let the game come to him…don’t say anything stupid, attack with facts, tell his far right nutters to stfu and grab the indy vote…I said four years ago, in the midst of BO worship that he can be beat, or more likely beat himself


  30. Lily
    30 | June 3, 2012 3:50 pm

    @ heysoos:

    From what I am seeing right now Romney is giving obama a harder fight than they expected. Personally I think you aren’t giving Romney enough credit. So far he is doing a much better job than I would have thought.


  31. The Osprey
    31 | June 3, 2012 3:51 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Kirly:

    I can’t believe Romney shared a stage with McCain on Memorial Day.

    Bad, bad optics.

    You have just earned one whack upside the head with a pair of heavy 10x50 binoculars from the Osprey.
    Do you know why? :lol: :twisted:


  32. huckfunn
    32 | June 3, 2012 3:54 pm

    @ heysoos:
    There is simply no case for re-electing Obama; none. His hardcore base is 30%, more or less, and he’s alienating plenty of those on a daily basis. There’s not much doubt that there are millions who voted for him in 08 that will either voter for Romney or stay at home in November. Where are the Obamabot converts that will fill that void. There aren’t any. Also, the gay marriage issue and war on Catholics will cost him millions of votes.


  33. Guggi
    33 | June 3, 2012 3:56 pm

    Lily wrote:

    they have some dangerous weapons that should not get in the hands of the rebels. This is what Bolton is concerned with.

    If this would be true they should help Assad Jr. Those could be the WMD from Iraq which were first transferred to Sudan and then back to Syria after the Sudan had openly requested Syria to retrieve the stored weapons from there. Assad would never use these weapons because it would be much to dangerous for him.


  34. huckfunn
    34 | June 3, 2012 3:56 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    From what I am seeing right now Romney is giving obama a harder fight than they expected. Personally I think you aren’t giving Romney enough credit. So far he is doing a much better job than I would have thought.

    I’m really impressed with Mitt so far. I had expected a McRino type approach but Mitt has been fairly aggressive.


  35. heysoos
    35 | June 3, 2012 3:56 pm

    @ Lily:
    well then I’m not understood…Mitt has done a fine job the last few weeks…I don’t particularly like the guy, but he’s the guy…he must move away from his far right peeps (and they need to let him) for the last few laps, stay away from fringe or wedge issues and pound on the economy…this is a classic case of staying focused on what All voters agree on….it’s the economy…if the entire GOP can rally behind him and stay on the subject, he can win…this election will not be decided on gay rights, abortion or states rights…it’s about the economy


  36. Lily
    36 | June 3, 2012 3:57 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Indeed and Romney is attacking him on the issues..so all he has got is Romney is a radical. Yeah right. Even dem’s in Washington are runniing away from him in droves. He is a rogue president plain and clear.


  37. The Osprey
    37 | June 3, 2012 3:59 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    yes, it’s bad optics to us

    WHACK! :lol:


  38. darkwords
    38 | June 3, 2012 4:01 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    i agree with haysoos on not taking up the obama false narratives on fringe issues. mitt should hit on jobs. mitt should test the credentials of any reporter running the false narratives against him. give them a loyalty check. obama or the country.

    Obama will run for a sympathy poor me vote towards the end. mitt will be a rich bully, obama will be the poor guy who killed Bin Laden. women and kids.


  39. huckfunn
    39 | June 3, 2012 4:02 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Indeed and Romney is attacking him on the issues..so all he has got is Romney is a radical. Yeah right. Even dem’s in Washington are runniing away from him in droves. He is a rogue president plain and clear.

    When Obama loses Maureen Dowd, he’s toast. Dreaming of a Superhero
    Disclaimer: I hate linking to the NYFT, but will do so when they make my point.


  40. Lily
    40 | June 3, 2012 4:05 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Romney is staying on point and the bloggers, pundits and books are getting dirty with the other issues that do matter to people whether you think so or not. So let the RNC and Romney stay on point and let the others get dirty. It is a two-pronged attack which is working quite well if the obama campagin thinks Romney is ‘too radical’. Which is a load of crap. Attack him from every side and obama becomes unbalanced and starts making a ton of mistakes because his base is eroding and the more it erodes the more crap obama will step in. No one fainting over him and his god-like image of himself makes him more apt to extreme mistakes within his campagin and the more he will screw up in public.


  41. huckfunn
    41 | June 3, 2012 4:05 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    i agree with haysoos on not taking up the obama false narratives on fringe issues. mitt should hit on jobs. mitt should test the credentials of any reporter running the false narratives against him. give them a loyalty check. obama or the country.

    I agree. I also wish he would go after Holder on the Fast & Furious crime. Holder needs to be an issue in this campaign.


  42. heysoos
    42 | June 3, 2012 4:05 pm

    the BO machine is going to try and make this election a street brawl, a melee…overwhelm the opponent with dirt, get him on the ground and kick him in the face…a fight Mitt will lose if he gets sucked into it….if Mitt can maintain at least the appearance of civility, he will benefit from all of us that are burned out on mud politics


  43. Lily
    43 | June 3, 2012 4:06 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Indeed and Romney is attacking him on the issues..so all he has got is Romney is a radical. Yeah right. Even dem’s in Washington are runniing away from him in droves. He is a rogue president plain and clear.

    When Obama loses Maureen Dowd, he’s toast. Dreaming of a Superhero
    Disclaimer: I hate linking to the NYFT, but will do so when they make my point.

    Indeed …. this makes my case….the obama worship is eroding.


  44. Lily
    44 | June 3, 2012 4:08 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the BO machine is going to try and make this election a street brawl, a melee…overwhelm the opponent with dirt, get him on the ground and kick him in the face…a fight Mitt will lose if he gets sucked into it….if Mitt can maintain at least the appearance of civility, he will benefit from all of us that are burned out on mud politics

    Baloney. Mitt can handle a fight, so far he is on point. Drip, dripl, drip and let the flood gates open at just the right time. Obama NEEDS WORSHIP! He doesn’t have it this time like in 2008.


  45. heysoos
    45 | June 3, 2012 4:09 pm

    @ Lily:
    certainly BO’s halo is tarnished….that rock star shit won’t work this time, and I’m betting that’s all he’s got


  46. huckfunn
    46 | June 3, 2012 4:10 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the BO machine is going to try and make this election a street brawl, a melee…overwhelm the opponent with dirt, get him on the ground and kick him in the face…a fight

    Yep. You can see the beginnings of it in Florida with Holder trying to stop Florida from purging voter rolls of dead and non-citizen voters. Holder will do everything in his power to nullify the entire Florida vote because he see that it’s not going his way. At the very least he’ll try to cast the Florida election into the same kind of morass as the 2000 election. Then simply keep counting the votes until O-hole wins.


  47. Lily
    47 | June 3, 2012 4:13 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the BO machine is going to try and make this election a street brawl, a melee…overwhelm the opponent with dirt, get him on the ground and kick him in the face…a fight Mitt will lose if he gets sucked into it….if Mitt can maintain at least the appearance of civility, he will benefit from all of us that are burned out on mud politics

    So far they have dropped the ball on this….they have tried the class-warfare..didn’t work out that well…racial-warfare just can’t gin that up like they want…so far they aren’t doing too well…sorry about you being about mud politic’s but that is just the way it is.


  48. Lily
    48 | June 3, 2012 4:15 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Lily:
    certainly BO’s halo is tarnished….that rock star shit won’t work this time, and I’m betting that’s all he’s got

    That is all he has got … not to mention a horrible record while in the White House…not just a bad record…a HORRIBLE ONE!


  49. Lily
    49 | June 3, 2012 4:17 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    darkwords wrote:

    i agree with haysoos on not taking up the obama false narratives on fringe issues. mitt should hit on jobs. mitt should test the credentials of any reporter running the false narratives against him. give them a loyalty check. obama or the country.

    I agree. I also wish he would go after Holder on the Fast & Furious crime. Holder needs to be an issue in this campaign.

    I think this has to be timed just right. Just because he hasn’t yet..doesn’t mean he will not attack Holder. Gotta be timed at the right point.


  50. coldwarrior
    50 | June 3, 2012 4:20 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Dorian put across clear reason for Syria…they have some dangerous weapons that should not get in the hands of the rebels. This is what Bolton is concerned with.

    exactly, we might HAVE to secure those weapons. imagine if al-q gets them. having that stockpile proliferate through terror inc is simply not an option


  51. Lily
    51 | June 3, 2012 4:20 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Dorian put across clear reason for Syria…they have some dangerous weapons that should not get in the hands of the rebels. This is what Bolton is concerned with.

    exactly, we might HAVE to secure those weapons. imagine if al-q gets them. having that stockpile proliferate through terror inc is simply not an option

    Indeed, indeed, indeed.


  52. huckfunn
    52 | June 3, 2012 4:24 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I think this has to be timed just right. Just because he hasn’t yet..doesn’t mean he will not attack Holder. Gotta be timed at the right point.

    When If Issa ever gets around to filing contempt charges against Holder, Mitt needs to get on board that train right away.


  53. huckfunn
    53 | June 3, 2012 4:26 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Dorian put across clear reason for Syria…they have some dangerous weapons that should not get in the hands of the rebels. This is what Bolton is concerned with.

    exactly, we might HAVE to secure those weapons. imagine if al-q gets them. having that stockpile proliferate through terror inc is simply not an option

    I’ll bet they’ve got a Seal team doing drills on that as we speak. Maybe even a coordinated effort with the Brits.


  54. heysoos
    54 | June 3, 2012 4:30 pm

    the UNSC is a monumental failure…to think that this corrupt, antiAmerican cancer is primarily funded by the USA is enough to make me hurl


  55. RIX
    55 | June 3, 2012 4:32 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    I agree. I also wish he would go after Holder on the Fast & Furious crime. Holder needs to be an issue in this campaign.

    Fast & Furious needs to be explained to the American
    people in understandable terms. A lot of people think
    that Fast & Furious is a Sharon Stone movie or something.
    It should be a media buy with a a narrator with gravitas.
    If the people truly understood it there would be
    outrage.


  56. 56 | June 3, 2012 4:34 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Fast & Furious needs to be explained to the American
    people in understandable terms.

    I don’t see what’s so hard about “300 dead f***ing Mexicans, killed by Holder’s express policies”


  57. 57 | June 3, 2012 4:34 pm

    Well, maybe the f bomb could be redacted.


  58. huckfunn
    58 | June 3, 2012 4:38 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    I agree. I also wish he would go after Holder on the Fast & Furious crime. Holder needs to be an issue in this campaign.

    Fast & Furious needs to be explained to the American
    people in understandable terms. A lot of people think
    that Fast & Furious is a Sharon Stone movie or something.
    It should be a media buy with a a narrator with gravitas.
    If the people truly understood it there would be
    outrage.

    I honestly think it’s been clearly and effectively explained plenty of times and I believe that everyone who knows about it understands. The problem is that MFM has been stonewalling it as much as Holder has. I agree that there should be a TV ad.


  59. heysoos
    59 | June 3, 2012 4:40 pm

    Holder is a petty gangster with a bunch of power…yet he;s made a mockery of the DoJ…he’s fucked up about everything he touches, from Ted Steven to Gitmo to Florida…he’s a goon in a fancy suit


  60. Lily
    60 | June 3, 2012 4:54 pm

    @ heysoos:

    He is the protecting wall surrounding obama make no doubt about that.
    Timing is the key at bringing him down. Too soon you will get the sympathy factor. A lot of democrat senators are concerned about him but they cannot penetrate the protective wall Jarrett has surrounded around him and obama. The timing is the key to kick down the this chicago-thug administration. Everything has to be timed just right.


  61. Lily
    61 | June 3, 2012 4:56 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Dorian put across clear reason for Syria…they have some dangerous weapons that should not get in the hands of the rebels. This is what Bolton is concerned with.

    exactly, we might HAVE to secure those weapons. imagine if al-q gets them. having that stockpile proliferate through terror inc is simply not an option

    I’ll bet they’ve got a Seal team doing drills on that as we speak. Maybe even a coordinated effort with the Brits.

    I wonder if obama would approve of this and if it is, is it off the grid?


  62. RIX
    62 | June 3, 2012 4:57 pm

    @ Zimriel:

    I don’t see what’s so hard about “300 dead f***ing Mexicans, killed by Holder’s express policies

    You would think, wouldn’t you?
    still people are not dumb, they are just not paying
    attention.
    It needs to be spelled out.


  63. Lily
    63 | June 3, 2012 4:59 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    I agree. I also wish he would go after Holder on the Fast & Furious crime. Holder needs to be an issue in this campaign.

    Fast & Furious needs to be explained to the American
    people in understandable terms. A lot of people think
    that Fast & Furious is a Sharon Stone movie or something.
    It should be a media buy with a a narrator with gravitas.
    If the people truly understood it there would be
    outrage.

    I honestly think it’s been clearly and effectively explained plenty of times and I believe that everyone who knows about it understands. The problem is that MFM has been stonewalling it as much as Holder has. I agree that there should be a TV ad.

    Excatly. The MSM would be all over this if it were any other president besides obama. But they are carrying his water. Geez…you would think they are part of his re-election campagain…oh wait they are. Look towards the British press vetting him better than our own media.


  64. RIX
    64 | June 3, 2012 5:01 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    I honestly think it’s been clearly and effectively explained plenty of times and I believe that everyone who knows about it understands. The problem is that MFM has been stonewalling it as much as Holder has. I agree that there should be a TV ad.

    The voice over should be somebody who sounds really
    credible.
    James Earl Jones comes to mind, he is a Conservative
    Republican. Would he risk all of the Uncle Tom smears?


  65. Lily
    65 | June 3, 2012 5:01 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Zimriel:

    I don’t see what’s so hard about “300 dead f***ing Mexicans, killed by Holder’s express policies

    You would think, wouldn’t you?
    still people are not dumb, they are just not paying
    attention.
    It needs to be spelled out.

    I think more and more people are aware of this. Problem is the media isn’t showing that they are. So it is a non-event concerning the press here.


  66. RIX
    66 | June 3, 2012 5:04 pm

    White sox just won! Number one fan Obama would have
    been thare if they still played at Olde Kaminsky Field.


  67. coldwarrior
    67 | June 3, 2012 5:06 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    Dorian put across clear reason for Syria…they have some dangerous weapons that should not get in the hands of the rebels. This is what Bolton is concerned with.
    exactly, we might HAVE to secure those weapons. imagine if al-q gets them. having that stockpile proliferate through terror inc is simply not an option

    I’ll bet they’ve got a Seal team doing drills on that as we speak. Maybe even a coordinated effort with the Brits.

    gonna need a lot more than a seal team. there are tons of the stuff in syria. this will require troops on the ground


  68. RIX
    68 | June 3, 2012 5:08 pm

    @ Lily:

    I think more and more people are aware of this. Problem is the media isn’t showing that they are. So it is a non-event concerning the press here.

    A lot of people relly don’t understand the magnitude
    of Fast & Furious.

    You’re right, the MSM is purposefully ignoring it.
    That’s why there needs to be massive media buy
    for the whole month of October, imo.


  69. huckfunn
    69 | June 3, 2012 5:11 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    Dorian put across clear reason for Syria…they have some dangerous weapons that should not get in the hands of the rebels. This is what Bolton is concerned with.
    exactly, we might HAVE to secure those weapons. imagine if al-q gets them. having that stockpile proliferate through terror inc is simply not an option

    I’ll bet they’ve got a Seal team doing drills on that as we speak. Maybe even a coordinated effort with the Brits.

    gonna need a lot more than a seal team. there are tons of the stuff in syria. this will require troops on the ground

    Throw Putin into the mix and Syria’s a real hairball.


  70. Lily
    70 | June 3, 2012 5:11 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I think more and more people are aware of this. Problem is the media isn’t showing that they are. So it is a non-event concerning the press here.

    A lot of people relly don’t understand the magnitude
    of Fast & Furious.

    You’re right, the MSM is purposefully ignoring it.
    That’s why there needs to be massive media buy
    for the whole month of October, imo.

    I agree and October would be the perfect month to do it in also.


  71. Lily
    71 | June 3, 2012 5:13 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    Dorian put across clear reason for Syria…they have some dangerous weapons that should not get in the hands of the rebels. This is what Bolton is concerned with.
    exactly, we might HAVE to secure those weapons. imagine if al-q gets them. having that stockpile proliferate through terror inc is simply not an option

    I’ll bet they’ve got a Seal team doing drills on that as we speak. Maybe even a coordinated effort with the Brits.

    gonna need a lot more than a seal team. there are tons of the stuff in syria. this will require troops on the ground

    Unfortunatly….and Russia is getting in the mix. Bad mojo is a brewing in my opinion.


  72. coldwarrior
    72 | June 3, 2012 5:16 pm

    @ Lily:

    i am with putin in this one. i would rather have asad in power than the terrorists and islamists.

    this isnt a civil war, there are non-syrians trying to overthrow asad and set up another nation for the caliphate.


  73. Lily
    73 | June 3, 2012 5:17 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Lily:

    i am with putin in this one. i would rather have asad in power than the terrorists and islamists.

    this isnt a civil war, there are non-syrians trying to overthrow asad and set up another nation for the caliphate.

    Well I can’t disagree with this. The non-syrians that are trying to over-throw are worse than he is.


  74. RIX
    74 | June 3, 2012 5:18 pm

    @ Lily:

    I agree and October would be the perfect month to do it in also

    .

    Yup, let obama choke on his own medicine.
    (For off their nut bloggers in Culver City, choke
    is being used figurtaviely.


  75. coldwarrior
    75 | June 3, 2012 5:19 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Well I can’t disagree with this. The non-syrians that are trying to over-throw are worse than he is.

    sadly.


  76. Lily
    76 | June 3, 2012 5:20 pm

    @ RIX:

    There is so much material for obama to choke on it should come bit by bit then the whole buffet at once.


  77. Da_Beerfreak
    77 | June 3, 2012 5:21 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Kirly:

    I can’t believe Romney shared a stage with McCain on Memorial Day.

    Bad, bad optics.

    You have just earned one whack upside the head with a pair of heavy 10×50 binoculars from the Osprey.
    Do you know why?

    I really hate the term “bad optics” too. Can we ban anyone that uses it in a sentence when they should have used the proper term “bad for their image” instead?? :twisted:


  78. heysoos
    78 | June 3, 2012 5:21 pm

    it would be nice if Turkey would flex some muscle…and this gig is spilling over into Lebannon…the best outcome would be if Syrian ties to Iran are somehow crippled, making them both more vulnerable…wishful thinking


  79. RIX
    79 | June 3, 2012 5:22 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    We have troops doing multiple deployments, many
    coming back in body bags,with broken bodies and/or
    broken minds.
    BHO & McCain etal should not be ble to misuse them in
    Syria to install Sharia savages,].


  80. 80 | June 3, 2012 5:25 pm

    @ Lily:

    Bad guys have the bio weapons in Syria. The Assad regime would give it to Hizballah in a heartbeat. Sorry Syria is not worth the blood of Americans. If Romney invades Syria, his Presidency is toast. Americans are tired of dying for Islamic causes.


  81. coldwarrior
    81 | June 3, 2012 5:26 pm

    @ RIX:

    i am all for arming asad and getting whatever help he needs to him. the idea of hezbollah armed with vx, sarin, and mustard gas is the worst possible outcome


  82. 82 | June 3, 2012 5:26 pm

    @ RIX:

    After all, he played Admiral Greer….


  83. 83 | June 3, 2012 5:26 pm

    @ heysoos:

    The best case would be Syria to disintegrate as a nation.


  84. RIX
    84 | June 3, 2012 5:26 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:
    There is so much material for obama to choke on it should come bit by bit then the whole buffet at once.

    Yeah, eventually carpet bomb Obama in the media.
    This Administration is a criminal enterprise.
    It’s like a Chicago, Marxist crime family.


  85. 85 | June 3, 2012 5:27 pm

    I am very happy for Syria to become a Russian client state and not a Persian one (or a Wahhabi one). That to me would be ideal.

    Admittedly, this goes against my Cold War habits; but then, back in the 1970s-80s we weren’t Communist yet.


  86. Bumr50
    86 | June 3, 2012 5:28 pm

    @ The Osprey:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Sorry.


  87. coldwarrior
    87 | June 3, 2012 5:29 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    it would be nice if Turkey would flex some muscle…and this gig is spilling over into Lebannon…the best outcome would be if Syrian ties to Iran are somehow crippled, making them both more vulnerable…wishful thinking

    their officer corps was eviscerated a couple of years ago, i doubt they would be very effective fighting force at the moment.


  88. 88 | June 3, 2012 5:30 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    gonna need a lot more than a seal team. there are tons of the stuff in syria. this will require troops on the ground

    More dead Americans dying for the Muzz. That would be the end of a Romney Presidency. I say let them kill each other.


  89. RIX
    89 | June 3, 2012 5:30 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ RIX:
    i am all for arming asad and getting whatever help he needs to him. the idea of hezbollah armed with vx, sarin, and mustard gas is the worst possible outcome

    I don’t disagree with that. We would be better off with Mubarak
    in Egypt, Kahdaffi in Libya & I believe Sadam in Iraq.
    The enemy is Al Queda & Iran.


  90. heysoos
    90 | June 3, 2012 5:30 pm

    @ Rodan:
    yup…chaos is fine with me…I feel for the victims, but there is no good alternative…Assad has few means to project WMD and if he does, he’s be a pariah, even in the ME…he doesn’t have the balls, since it would point straight back to Iran…all’s well so far…Muslims on display for the whole world to see…if they want to kill children, we cannot stop them


  91. coldwarrior
    91 | June 3, 2012 5:31 pm

    scuds and chemicals

    right now asad controls them…he goes, and these weapons end up with the islamists.


  92. 92 | June 3, 2012 5:31 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yup.


  93. Da_Beerfreak
    93 | June 3, 2012 5:32 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ The Osprey:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Sorry.

    It’s ok.
    Don’t fall for the games the Left plays with the language. :grin:


  94. 94 | June 3, 2012 5:32 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    There are rumors he might transfer them to Hizballah if he falls. If that occurs, the Israelis will hit the convoys and have to invade Lebanon.


  95. 95 | June 3, 2012 5:32 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Yup, not my problem.


  96. heysoos
    96 | June 3, 2012 5:33 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    they don’t have to fight, they need to threaten and bully


  97. heysoos
    97 | June 3, 2012 5:34 pm

    Putin needs a contract put on him….sorry, but he needs to go…
    in this world, I’m into extralegal measures


  98. coldwarrior
    98 | June 3, 2012 5:35 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    gonna need a lot more than a seal team. there are tons of the stuff in syria. this will require troops on the ground
    More dead Americans dying for the Muzz. That would be the end of a Romney Presidency. I say let them kill each other.

    seriously? this isnt about dying for the muzz.

    i am talking about thousands of tons of chemical weapons.we will have to keep that out of the hands of al-q and hezbollah if asad loses it.

    i’d rather not see those used against israle and then lord knows where else they would show up.

    do you have any idea how horrible vx is? vx is particularly nasty and you dont need a lot of it to kill many many people


  99. coldwarrior
    99 | June 3, 2012 5:36 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    There are rumors he might transfer them to Hizballah if he falls. If that occurs, the Israelis will hit the convoys and have to invade Lebanon.

    no, it gets transferred if he falls.


  100. heysoos
    100 | June 3, 2012 5:37 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    cool, that makes it much easier to find, track and kill the fuckers…Assad won’t allow anyone to upstage him…if he has the stuff, he ain’t gonna give it away


  101. 101 | June 3, 2012 5:38 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    So get US troops involved in another occupation? No thanks. The American public will flip out when they hear we have to invade a country to secure WMDs. There will be protests in the streets and many on the Right will join anti-war rallies.

    We need peace and prosperity, not more wars.

    Do you really think Americans will tolerate another occupation with IEDs blowing up troops? Nope.

    As for the Chemical weapons, they are likely to use it on themselves. Its nasty stuff, but we are broke and sick of nation building.


  102. coldwarrior
    102 | June 3, 2012 5:38 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    cool, that makes it much easier to find, track and kill the fuckers…Assad won’t allow anyone to upstage him…if he has the stuff, he ain’t gonna give it away

    he falls and the islamists will simply take the stuff.

    i want everyone to read up on vx and then get back to me. i have a feeling that there is some misunderstanding about how horrible this stuff is. we arent talking about some explosives here. this stuff is severe danger. severe.


  103. coldwarrior
    103 | June 3, 2012 5:39 pm

    @ Rodan:

    do you think that the weapons will simply stay in syria if the isalmists take over?

    no, they will be spread everywhere.

    we HAVE to secure these weapons. that does not mean nation building. it might mean some serious use of force tho. this is an insanely dangerous situation with this stuff.


  104. 104 | June 3, 2012 5:41 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Israel aint gonna sit back and let the Hiz get those weapons.They will strike.


  105. heysoos
    105 | June 3, 2012 5:41 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    agreed, but it’s a two edged curse…whoever lights up chemical weapons is dead…precisely why I supported invading Iraq…you go there, we will kill you, period….that’s the bottom line


  106. coldwarrior
    106 | June 3, 2012 5:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    So get US troops involved in another occupation? No thanks. The American public will flip out when they hear we have to invade a country to secure WMDs. There will be protests in the streets and many on the Right will join anti-war rallies.

    anyone who protests us and some allies going into syria to get these weapons is simply an uninformed fool.

    this is serious shit here. this goes beyond spreading democracy and the like.


  107. huckfunn
    107 | June 3, 2012 5:43 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    i want everyone to read up on vx and then get back to me. i have a feeling that there is some misunderstanding about how horrible this stuff is. we arent talking about some explosives here. this stuff is severe danger. severe.

    Do a thread on it.


  108. 108 | June 3, 2012 5:43 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    In order to secure those weapons, you have to invade. That means occupation. Occupation means dead Americans. The public will not support this.


  109. coldwarrior
    109 | June 3, 2012 5:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Israel aint gonna sit back and let the Hiz get those weapons.They will strike.

    with what? then spread vx all over the place in the explosions? they had better be able to control the wind if they do that.

    this stuff has to be secured by professionals.


  110. heysoos
    110 | June 3, 2012 5:46 pm

    @ Rodan:
    indeed…give the IDF a window and they will go off….if these issues degrade to live or die, Muslims are gonna burn…there is immense firepower standing against a spreading conflict….between us and Israel and Turkey, the Magic Kingdom etc….it’s not given that some fool despot will cook his entire country out of spite or ego…we hold an enormous techno edge and will use it…Syria knows this


  111. 111 | June 3, 2012 5:46 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Well count me in as a fool. I am dead against any occupation of an Islamic country. Did you not see how we set up a Narco-Islamic state in Afghanistan and a Sharia state in Iraq. What do you think will happen in a US occupied Syria? The same crap. We put in an Islamist government while our troops get killed.

    No thanks I will be part of the majority of people opposing another adventure.


  112. coldwarrior
    112 | June 3, 2012 5:47 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    i want everyone to read up on vx and then get back to me. i have a feeling that there is some misunderstanding about how horrible this stuff is. we arent talking about some explosives here. this stuff is severe danger. severe.
    Do a thread on it.

    i’m done, peeps can read up on it if they like. maybe just how dangerous this situation is will sink in after some reading.

    gonna go play with my browning hp and the ak.

    see yinz later!


  113. RIX
    113 | June 3, 2012 5:47 pm

    Part of our problem is that we were not ruthless
    enough in Afghanistan, with overwelming force.
    The 9/11 attack was planned there.
    It’s not to be inhumane, it is to say that “this
    is what happens when you attack & kill Americans.
    Karzai should be gone.
    Rome didn’t last so long by hand wringing & giving the
    Legions ridiculous Rules of Engagement.


  114. heysoos
    114 | June 3, 2012 5:47 pm

    the Paki nukes are far more irritating than Syrian chemical stuff


  115. Lily
    115 | June 3, 2012 5:49 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Bad guys have the bio weapons in Syria. The Assad regime would give it to Hizballah in a heartbeat. Sorry Syria is not worth the blood of Americans. If Romney invades Syria, his Presidency is toast. Americans are tired of dying for Islamic causes.

    Ignoring the huge elephant in the room though isn’t going to make it go away. No one knows how Romney will handle it. All I am saying is bashing Romney for something he hasn’t done or not know what he will do is kind of redundant at this point. He has Bolton as an excellent consultant… Should we be bashing Romney now when we need to really, really, really get a very rogue president out of the White House?


  116. 116 | June 3, 2012 5:49 pm

    @ heysoos:

    That’s scarier.


  117. coldwarrior
    117 | June 3, 2012 5:50 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the Paki nukes are far more irritating than Syrian chemical stuff

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    That’s scarier.

    then neither of you understand just how dangerous vx actually is.

    (now where did i put my targets???)

    later!


  118. 118 | June 3, 2012 5:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    Israel aint gonna sit back and let the Hiz get those weapons.They will strike.

    I am sure they will also put every Arab Capital on notice. Especially the Aswan High Dam!


  119. 119 | June 3, 2012 5:52 pm

    @ RIX:

    Gone as in exiled to The Magic Kingdom™, or Gone as in D-E-A-D DEAD!


  120. Lily
    120 | June 3, 2012 5:52 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    scuds and chemicals

    right now asad controls them…he goes, and these weapons end up with the islamists.

    Bingo. Right now he will keep them because it lends him power to control them. If he falls all bets are off.


  121. heysoos
    121 | June 3, 2012 5:53 pm

    @ RIX:
    not ruthless enough?…recall the Highway of Death or whatever they call the road from Kuwait City to Baghdad…it was a relentless massacre…relentless in Astan means more troops and more time…not worth it, but the US can certainly be relentless when needed


  122. Lily
    122 | June 3, 2012 5:55 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the Paki nukes are far more irritating than Syrian chemical stuff

    Might want to look up what Syria has. Sorry the middle east is becoming more dangerous day by day. I agree with Coldwarrior this isn’t about Islamist’s killing Islamists.


  123. heysoos
    123 | June 3, 2012 5:56 pm

    we can fiddle around with a fickle Pakistan…but if they go rogue, off the track, I’m certain that the CIA has a plan


  124. RIX
    124 | June 3, 2012 5:58 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Gone as in exiled to The Magic Kingdom™, or Gone as in D-E-A-D DEAD!

    I guwess that I would go for exile.
    Assasination would be gratuitous.
    Karzai is a member of a drug family, he
    gets threats.
    He should have been told point blank, “You
    publically criticise us of fuck with us in
    any way, you’re gone. You work for us until
    we go home.”


  125. 125 | June 3, 2012 5:58 pm

    @ Lily:

    Syria would mean the Democrats come back in power and the Right permanently splits. Is it a dangerous situation, yes but not worth the lives and treasure of the US> we are broke and need to fix our economic and fiscal situation.

    Afghanistan and Iraq were fiasco. Syria will be another disaster and means more dead Americans and more debt.

    No thanks.


  126. RIX
    126 | June 3, 2012 6:00 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Reread the post, I was talking about Afghanistan.
    And the Road of Death was the First Gulf War,
    not Enduring Freedom.


  127. heysoos
    127 | June 3, 2012 6:00 pm

    @ Lily:
    what the Syrians ‘have’ is mostly speculation, in terms of public information…I’d bet my life that Syria has no means of storing, protecting, maintaining chemical weapons…they are labor intensive to deal with and are most likely buried in barrels of crud in the desert…biochems are probably a much larger problem for them than for us…I’m not worried


  128. heysoos
    128 | June 3, 2012 6:02 pm

    @ RIX:
    I offered an example where the US is ruthless, not specific


  129. 129 | June 3, 2012 6:05 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I think the WMD stuff is just a way to scare the Right into supporting another Nation Building adventure. The difference is many are not falling for this.


  130. Lily
    130 | June 3, 2012 6:05 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Syria would mean the Democrats come back in power and the Right permanently splits. Is it a dangerous situation, yes but not worth the lives and treasure of the US> we are broke and need to fix our economic and fiscal situation.

    Afghanistan and Iraq were fiasco. Syria will be another disaster and mean more dead Americans and more debt.

    No thanks.

    Right now no one knows what exactly Romney will do and no it doesn’t mean the democrats go back in office. Of course our economy is at the forefront …but I think Romney can chew gum and walk at the same time which obama can’t do. You are guessing that Romney WILL INVADE. Right now he is expressing concerns on what is going on in Syria…does that mean invade? I’m sorry this isn’t either Republican or Democrat this is dangerous weapons that could fall in terrorists hands. Very bad weapons. What to do? I’m sure there is several options.


  131. RIX
    131 | June 3, 2012 6:05 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I offered an example where the US is ruthless, not specific

    But I was talking specifically about Afghanistan,
    not generalities.
    You respnded to something that I did not say.


  132. heysoos
    132 | June 3, 2012 6:10 pm

    @ Rodan:
    handling chemical weapons is an extremely high techno gig…getting them into some sort of delivery system just compounds the problem…you could dribble the shit from a donky walking around town, but then likely you’d kill yourself too…as far as I know neither the Iranians or Syrians have any way to send chem weapons to the enemy…containng the shit takes huge resources and tech…shooting them into Israel is doubtful, certainly to the point where US troops would be involved


  133. heysoos
    133 | June 3, 2012 6:12 pm

    @ RIX:
    I did…is that a penalty?


  134. 134 | June 3, 2012 6:12 pm

    @ Lily:

    Many on the Right are tired of invading Islamic hell holes. The only way to get these weapons if they even exist is to occupy and invade. If Romney decides on an invasion of Syria, how will he get our economy in order? War means money and occupations are a drain. If he does this, the Right will split and enable the Democrats to get back in power. The Dems will revert back to their anti-war stuff and many on the Right will join them on opposing a Syrian war. That will be the end of a Romney Presidency and say hello to President Andrew Coumo in 2016 running on no more wars.

    The public has had it with this.


  135. RIX
    135 | June 3, 2012 6:13 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I did…is that a penalty?

    Nah, ain’t a thang.


  136. 136 | June 3, 2012 6:14 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Here’s something for the people who want to invade Syria to think. If Assad has these weapons, will he not use them on an invading Army? He would have nothing to lose, so he will not sit on them.


  137. heysoos
    137 | June 3, 2012 6:15 pm

    @ RIX:
    I’m just enjoying blabbing away…thinking, posting…I don’t mean to have friction


  138. Lily
    138 | June 3, 2012 6:15 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Lily:
    what the Syrians ‘have’ is mostly speculation, in terms of public information…I’d bet my life that Syria has no means of storing, protecting, maintaining chemical weapons…they are labor intensive to deal with and are most likely buried in barrels of crud in the desert…biochems are probably a much larger problem for them than for us…I’m not worried

    Are you sure of that? I’m not advocating for anything to be done right now especially with obama in office.


  139. RIX
    139 | June 3, 2012 6:18 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I’m just enjoying blabbing away…thinking, posting…I don’t mean to have friction

    There is no friction. Glad that you’re over here.:)


  140. heysoos
    140 | June 3, 2012 6:18 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I don’t know, maybe but it’s a huge risk…Muslims hate each other more than they hate Jews or the West….let em have at it…when events evolve, I will too


  141. Lily
    141 | June 3, 2012 6:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Many on the Right are tired of invading Islamic hell holes. The only way to get these weapons if they even exist is to occupy and invade. If Romney decides on an invasion of Syria, how will he get our economy in order? War means money and occupations are a drain. If he does this, the Right will split and enable the Democrats to get back in power. The Dems will revert back to their anti-war stuff and many on the Right will join them on opposing a Syrian war. That will be the end of a Romney Presidency and say hello to President Andrew Coumo in 2016 running on no more wars.

    The public has had it with this.

    Right now I don’t think he would just willy-nilly invade….of course the public has had it with this..but not while obama is in office. You don’t know what Romney will do? That is my point. I’m very sure he will have to clean up our own country first before he does anything and I mean anything overseas.


  142. 142 | June 3, 2012 6:19 pm

    VX is a not-bad case for occupying Syria, at least for a few months, to keep that stuff away from the Ikhwan / al-Qaeda. I still think that the chem-weapon argument (“wmd’s”) was a not-bad reason for toppling Saddam. (Although we should have left earlier.)

    But… that assumes that Syria still has that stuff.

    Can someone explain why Iran hasn’t yanked all that stuff out of there already? Iran has basically owned Syria since the Shah fell.


  143. RIX
    143 | June 3, 2012 6:21 pm

    @ Lily:

    Are you sure of that? I’m not advocating for anything to be done right now especially with obama in office

    Whaaaat!!!!!!!!! Obama is President!
    Son of a &*%$! I thought that I just
    had a bad dream.


  144. Lily
    144 | June 3, 2012 6:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    Here’s something for the people who want to invade Syria to think. If Assad has these weapons, will he not use them on an invading Army? He would have nothing to lose, so he will not sit on them.

    Who says we are going to invade Rodan???? And who is saying here we should invade??? The case here is Syria has some very bad weapons that could fall in some very bad peoples hands. That is the issue. Right now let’s see how things go. If anyone is apt to invade it is Obama…so lay it at his feet.


  145. 145 | June 3, 2012 6:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    If Assad has these weapons, will he not use them on an invading Army?

    I agree with you generally but I have to nitpick this point.

    Iraq proved that, no, an Arab regime can’t use them on an invading army. Dunghills like Iraq and Syria have armies staffed with ass-covering mental midgets who aren’t trusted with basic information like, where all this crap is stored. They physically cannot get the material to the front lines in time.

    Chemical weapons are for gassing Kurds and selling to terrorists.


  146. heysoos
    146 | June 3, 2012 6:23 pm

    @ Lily:
    I’m sure that if you harbor lethal chemical weapons, you’d better have your shit together bigtime…they are just as dangerous to the owners than to the target populations


  147. heysoos
    147 | June 3, 2012 6:24 pm

    @ RIX:
    glad to be here thanks to folks like yourself


  148. RIX
    148 | June 3, 2012 6:24 pm

    @ Lily:

    If anyone is apt to invade it is Obama…so lay it at his feet.

    The BHO October Surprise?


  149. 149 | June 3, 2012 6:25 pm

    World War One was different. Britain and Germany were serious nations with a tradition of organisation and national-loyalty. Iraq and Syria not so much. So Britain and Germany (tragically) *could* gas their opposite trenches. I’m not seeing it with Syria.


  150. RIX
    150 | June 3, 2012 6:25 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ RIX:
    glad to be here thanks to folks like yourself

    Right on!


  151. Lily
    151 | June 3, 2012 6:25 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Are you sure of that? I’m not advocating for anything to be done right now especially with obama in office

    Whaaaat!!!!!!!!! Obama is President!
    Son of a &*%$! I thought that I just
    had a bad dream.

    :lol: I only wish it was a bad dream. So much for me getting my wishes.


  152. Lily
    152 | June 3, 2012 6:26 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:

    If anyone is apt to invade it is Obama…so lay it at his feet.

    The BHO October Surprise?

    No telling what he will do. I’m not even going to guess…the only thing I do know is he will not go quietly into the night.


  153. RIX
    153 | June 3, 2012 6:27 pm

    @ Lily:

    I only wish it was a bad dream. So much for me getting my wishes.

    So, it’s true then? Oh the humanity!


  154. 154 | June 3, 2012 6:28 pm

    Back to the topic at hand: if we’re not in agreement, and we’re all on the same side, this is a hint that our candidate -- Romney -- should keep quiet about it. If he has classified information that leads him to think that we should invade, then Romney should SEW HIS TRAP SHUT ABOUT IT. I’ll mail him the needles and thread.

    It should not be a political football. If we have to invade Syria (I don’t see why, yet, but it’s possible) then for God’s sake don’t telegraph that opinion.


  155. heysoos
    155 | June 3, 2012 6:28 pm

    @ Zimriel:
    back then, you could stuff an artillery shell and lob it (downwind) right into the enemies front door, since they were static and you knew exactly where they were…not like that anymore


  156. Lily
    156 | June 3, 2012 6:28 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I’m sure that if you harbor lethal chemical weapons, you’d better have your shit together bigtime…they are just as dangerous to the owners than to the target populations

    Of course.


  157. Lily
    157 | June 3, 2012 6:30 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I only wish it was a bad dream. So much for me getting my wishes.

    So, it’s true then? Oh the humanity!

    I know. :)


  158. RIX
    158 | June 3, 2012 6:30 pm

    I think that a lot of these problems in the Middlle
    East need to be taken care of by Seal Team Six
    Commander Barack Rambo.
    He makes the “gutsy call.”/


  159. RIX
    159 | June 3, 2012 6:32 pm

    @ Lily:
    Oh well. in the words of the late , great John
    Bulushi, “Drink heavy.”


  160. Lily
    160 | June 3, 2012 6:33 pm

    @ RIX:

    :lol:


  161. heysoos
    161 | June 3, 2012 6:34 pm

    @ RIX:
    if he was Mafia, he’d be Barry the Noodle


  162. Lily
    162 | June 3, 2012 6:34 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Who says he isn’t mafia? Sure acts like ‘em. ;)


  163. heysoos
    163 | June 3, 2012 6:35 pm

    @ RIX:
    yeah, we aren’t gonna solve anything here…too bad for the Free World if they ignore us


  164. RIX
    164 | June 3, 2012 6:35 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ RIX:
    if he was Mafia, he’d be Barry the Noodle

    He would.


  165. RIX
    165 | June 3, 2012 6:37 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ RIX:
    yeah, we aren’t gonna solve anything here…too bad for the Free World if they ignore us

    We need to get nasty and throw a Black man out of his
    house.
    You know that the Dems will frame it that way.


  166. heysoos
    166 | June 3, 2012 6:38 pm

    @ Lily:
    just riffin on those cool oldtime mob nics…Barry the Mouth…Black Barry…etc


  167. RIX
    167 | June 3, 2012 6:39 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Who says he isn’t mafia? Sure acts like ‘em.

    Don Corlebama. The Foppish Godfather.


  168. Lily
    168 | June 3, 2012 6:40 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Yeah I knew you were. Noodle fits.


  169. RIX
    169 | June 3, 2012 6:41 pm

    Later y’all
    Deep thought, “Wherever you go, that’s where you are”
    Heavy


  170. Lily
    170 | June 3, 2012 6:42 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Who says he isn’t mafia? Sure acts like ‘em.

    Don Corlebama. The Foppish Godfather.

    Barry the Fairy?
    /okay I know that is wrong …. but he did that to himself and all.


  171. Lily
    171 | June 3, 2012 6:43 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Later y’all
    Deep thought, “Wherever you go, that’s where you are”
    Heavy

    Man that is deep. ;)


  172. Guggi
    172 | June 3, 2012 6:57 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ Lily:
    what the Syrians ‘have’ is mostly speculation, in terms of public information…I’d bet my life that Syria has no means of storing, protecting, maintaining chemical weapons…they are labor intensive to deal with and are most likely buried in barrels of crud in the desert…biochems are probably a much larger problem for them than for us…I’m not worried

    agreed


  173. The Osprey
    173 | June 3, 2012 7:02 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ RIX:
    if he was Mafia, he’d be Barry the Noodle

    Big Ears Obama


  174. Da_Beerfreak
    174 | June 3, 2012 7:06 pm

    Bathhouse Barry… :cool:


  175. darkwords
    175 | June 3, 2012 7:07 pm

    @ 112 coldwarrior: 10 mg lethal does. dead if you breath it unless someone is standing next to you to inject an anti nerve agent into your heart. It scared the Brits enough they thought nukes were the safer deterrent.


  176. The Osprey
    176 | June 3, 2012 7:08 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Who says we are going to invade Rodan????

    I think we should leave the Rodanese people alone!
    US Imperialists, hands off Rodan!

    :lol:


  177. The Osprey
    177 | June 3, 2012 7:17 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    we can fiddle around with a fickle Pakistan…but if they go rogue, off the track, I’m certain that the CIA has a plan

    Outsource it to India. Let Sandeep take care of it. :lol:


  178. 178 | June 3, 2012 7:21 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 112 coldwarrior: 10 mg lethal does. dead if you breath it unless someone is standing next to you to inject an anti nerve agent into your heart. It scared the Brits enough they thought nukes were the safer deterrent.

    Hell, and the vx isn’t even the really deadly shit, cyclosarin is ten times deadlier. Lethal dose, 1 mg. Whether you breath it, or just come in contact with it on exposed skin. More importantly, from what I have been able to gather, in the days just before Desert Storm, Saddam shipped somewhere around 1000 to 5000 55 gallon drums of cyclosarin across they Syrian border in order to avoid getting caught with it.


  179. Lily
    179 | June 3, 2012 7:21 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Who says we are going to invade Rodan????

    I think we should leave the Rodanese people alone!
    US Imperialists, hands off Rodan!

    Of course we shouldn’t invade the people of Rodan! :lol:


  180. 180 | June 3, 2012 7:22 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Imagine that stuff hiding in…Damascus!


  181. Lily
    181 | June 3, 2012 7:22 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 112 coldwarrior: 10 mg lethal does. dead if you breath it unless someone is standing next to you to inject an anti nerve agent into your heart. It scared the Brits enough they thought nukes were the safer deterrent.

    Hell, and the vx isn’t even the really deadly shit, cyclosarin is ten times deadlier. Lethal dose, 1 mg. Whether you breath it, or just come in contact with it on exposed skin. More importantly, from what I have been able to gather, in the days just before Desert Storm, Saddam shipped somewhere around 1000 to 5000 55 gallon drums of cyclosarin across they Syrian border in order to avoid getting caught with it.

    Good grief!! But nothing to worry about if it falls into the hands of terrorists. Geez.


  182. darkwords
    182 | June 3, 2012 7:23 pm

    Kristen Bell is funny


  183. heysoos
    183 | June 3, 2012 7:24 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    we can fiddle around with a fickle Pakistan…but if they go rogue, off the track, I’m certain that the CIA has a plan

    Outsource it to India. Let Sandeep take care of it.

    something like that…Pstan does not control their destiny…we do, no wonder they get pissy


  184. Poteen
    184 | June 3, 2012 7:24 pm

    OT and over the line. This country’s gonna fight another civil war. I don’t see a way around it. Hell, I might start it.

    http://themadmedic.blogspot.com/2012/06/ethan-mccord-goes-full-retard.html

    BBL. Gotta go hit the heavy bag for awhile.


  185. 185 | June 3, 2012 7:26 pm

    BLOGMOCK RADIO COMING UP AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR!


  186. darkwords
    186 | June 3, 2012 7:26 pm

    @ 178 doriangrey: To me it would only take a gallon milk container of it to be considered a weapon of mass terror. Assad could have it stored in his secret cooler ready to rocket it anywhere.

    I am guessing he pulls a SAddam if he goes down and torches the country. Gives the WMD to the people he still likes.


  187. 187 | June 3, 2012 7:27 pm

    We’re going to talk to the original players in the whole “Rathergate” affair. Carolina Girl will cohost with Rodan and Savage for this special episode. Call in and join us! 347-996-5447 or email the gmail for a toll free number!


  188. darkwords
    188 | June 3, 2012 7:33 pm

    Despite tequila production being limited to Mexico, over 70% of the final product goes to the USA.


  189. yenta-fada
    189 | June 3, 2012 7:33 pm

    Bunk X wrote:

    We’re going to talk to the original players in the whole “Rathergate” affair. Carolina Girl will cohost with Rodan and Savage for this special episode. Call in and join us! 347-996-5447 or email the gmail for a toll free number!

    Yay. Carolina Girl/southern accent. Rodan/New Yawk. Savage/savage. lol


  190. yenta-fada
    190 | June 3, 2012 7:33 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Despite tequila production being limited to Mexico, over 70% of the final product goes to the USA.

    That was random, right?


  191. heysoos
    191 | June 3, 2012 7:40 pm

    @ darkwords:
    we rool…I party with a gal from Austin…she brings $150 a bottle tequila with her everywhere she goes, or two or three bottles…but it’s a ritual with serving trays, plastic red shot glasses etc…spent many a night drinking tequila with Little Feat, John Hiatt, the subdudes, Sonny Landreth…good times


  192. heysoos
    192 | June 3, 2012 7:41 pm

    @ heysoos:
    whoops..talking rock and roll shows


  193. 193 | June 3, 2012 7:48 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 178 doriangrey: To me it would only take a gallon milk container of it to be considered a weapon of mass terror. Assad could have it stored in his secret cooler ready to rocket it anywhere.
    I am guessing he pulls a SAddam if he goes down and torches the country. Gives the WMD to the people he still likes.

    Cyclosarin is a highly persistent liquid. In other words, it is not prone to evaporation. It can be easily transformed into a highly persistent fog. It has a high molecular weight so the fog is heaver than air and sinks towards the ground. That fog does not disperse quickly or easily. That fog will eventually precipitate into micro droplets which are not prone to evaporation and can linger for between days and weeks. It’s really really bad stuff. A gallon of it sprayed from a skyscraper in a major city would kill hundreds to thousands. It’s that bad.


  194. 194 | June 3, 2012 7:50 pm

    i go in the pool for a couple hours and come back to … cyclosarin?? egads! sounds like some serious Dooooomage.

    i do love the way the conversation freely flows here.


  195. 195 | June 3, 2012 7:51 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    So, are nukes the only thing which can destroy it?


  196. 196 | June 3, 2012 7:53 pm

    hahahaha, i created my own hashtag on twitter! #doomage

    https://twitter.com/Kirlz/status/209290526514618368


  197. 197 | June 3, 2012 7:58 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    So, are nukes the only thing which can destroy it?

    Well, it does have a relatively low flash point of 94 °C (201 °F). So clean up doesn’t require a nuclear blast, pretty much any kind of fire will do it.


  198. 198 | June 3, 2012 8:04 pm

    Show on.


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