I am not going to go into the story behind The Six Day War (June 5 -10, 1967) since the documentary covers it nicely. Suffice to say the war broke out not because of the “occupied territories” since the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights and Old City of Jerusalem were all under complete Arab control. The “occupied territories” were Israel itself.
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Israel should have driven out the Palis, just like the Red Army drove out ethnic Germans from eastern Europe. The loser must pay consequences.
that was a hell of a fight, one for the books
@ heysoos:
The 6 Day War ranks alongside Lepanto and Vienna as one of Islam’s biggest defeats.
ששת הימים, כלבה!
@ Rodan:
and Yom Kippur, another thrashing…oh well, that’s the will of allah
@ heysoos:
Allah really doesn’t like Mohammedans. That’s why he makes Mohammedan countries such hell-holes. Not to mention the tsunamis, earth-quakes, and general pestilence that afflicts the Mohammedan world…
Iron Fist wrote:
I’m thinkin there’s something to that…seems like Muslims hate each other more than they hate us
Rodan wrote:
And the civilized world applauded them! It’s a perfect, and poignant example as to how much unfortunate change has come to our world.
seems like Muslim/Arabs have a crazy, zealous style of fighting…they drive tanks like they’re riding horses…fly away from the enemy in their top of the line Russian planes…no fire and maneuver, they charge you head on with banners whipping in the breeze…cannot exploit terrain, numbers or a breakthrough….it’s like they just want to scare you to death, rather than actually you know, fight
@ Rodan:
Not anymore. Now the loser just picks up a protest sign (or in the case of the paleos a bomb vest) and whines about being opppressssssssssed. Next thing you know -- the world wants them compensated.
It’s fucked up.
Iron Fist wrote:
Allah (piss be upon it) hates and despises humans, but he especially hates muslims so that he has saddled his slaves with an ideology so heinous, so miserable even to those who faithfully follow it wish for death to be released from it.
@ Iron Fist:
@ citizen_q:
Allah is pretty much the receptacle for Mulims’ self-loathing. What a sad, joyless existence.
Newsbusted: White House Unveils New Term “Jobs Saved or Imagined”
Don’t give them any ideas!!
@ m:
These are the people who think everybody needs 99 weeks of funemployment. After which you no longer count. So vote Democrat, and get a low-paid vacation…
@ Iron Fist:
Pelosi thinks that unemployment is a good time to
take up art.
Apparently she & BHO want to create a lot of artists.
Oh, this is going to be nice to watch while I eat dinner tonight! After voting for Keith Judd for the Democratic nominee.
@ RIX:
They are popular in the artist community…
@ Iron Fist:
Yeah.
Vote Dem -- give government the responsibility!
Vote Dem -- government knows best!
(ugh, that wasn’t even fun to type)
Alabama Adopts First Official State Ban on UN Agenda 21
@ m:
Cease Independant Thought! Vote Democrat!
War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Obama 2012….
@ Iron Fist:
as in liberal heaven, Santa Fe, where artists are going broke and eating each other for brunch
@ m:
I have more respect for the Mafia than the UN
m wrote:
I wonder how many other states will follow. This is one thing the msm has not reported on at all. I am sure most Americans do not know anything about UN Agenda 21.
WLS Radio in Chicago is reporting that a substantial
number of private sector union members are breaking
bad on public sector members & voting for Walker.
Good grief..a mass seance to cleanse the Capitol? This is just insane. Plus it didn’t work didn’t the DOJ still show up?
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/06/05/wisconsin-liberals-hold-mass-seance-to-cleanse-capitol-of-negative-energy-before-recall-election/
Rodan wrote:
They had their opportunity but decided to be humane. He who is merciful to the cruel will become cruel to the merciful.
Rodan wrote:
It was a defeat for the USSR but the Russkies quickly recovered from it. Their fascist ally Nasser also recovered.
RIX wrote:
I honestly don’t doubt this at all. Union members and union leaders two seperate things.
m wrote:
They used “jobs saved” a couple of years ago and dropped it after people laughed at it. If you have the same job you had back in January 2009 I guess that could count as a “job saved”.
RIX wrote:
A lot of union members defy their so called leaders and vote their conscience.
m wrote:
One-worlders at The New York Times in mourning.
Speranza wrote:
They know the union leaders are crooked and can’t get them out they are entrenched like kudzo vines…the only reason they pay their dues is to hang on to their jobs.
Lily wrote:
In 1980 and 1972 union members went for Reagan and Nixon.
Lily wrote:
There also is a lot of “closet conservatives” who as you say, want to hang onto their jobs so they let their bosses think they are liberals but once they get into the polling booth vote the way they really want to. Sort of like surviving in academia.
Speranza wrote:
They are typically conservative. What the union leaders say does not represent the members. But all you hear are what the union leaders are saying …. nothing about how the members feel.
@ Lily:
Hmmm, was there an obese, washed up hippy
from Culver City there?
He may have wanted to visit the state where the cheddar
comes from for Cheetos.
Speranza wrote:
Exactly.
heysoos wrote:
Which is why I thoroughly enjoy playing Mafia Wars!
RIX wrote:
Now there is a thought.
Back on topic -- Levi Eshkol who was Prime Minister of Israel from 1963 until his death in 1969 was in my opinion Israel’s most successful Prime Minister.
The Mosque Upon the Mount
Mohammed rode the night horse, or so the Korans say
Mohammed rode the night horse to a mosque so far away
And his followers the Muslims, coming after his death, claim
That the mosque upon the Mount is the mosque the Koran names.
Never mind the mosque upon the Mount was never even there
At the time Mohammed—so they claim—took his ride in the air.
Never mind the mosque upon the Mount was built in later days—
Mere factual reality did ne’er a Muslim faze.
Broadcast on Al-jazeera, in the seething Arab street,
Are echoed calls to Muslims that they must not retreat
That they must not cede unto the Jews they hold of no account
Possession of the Mountain and the mosque upon the Mount.
The Muslims lost the mosque and lost the Mount on which it stands
A foolish choice was made then that it stay within their hands
And feverishly ever they work so as to erase
The record of the Temple there—which must take pride of place.
The world stands by complacent at the Mount destruction news—
When cared the nations for the holy places of the Jews?
But bad though the nations’ silence be, the silence that is worse
Is that of Jews who stand by as the destruction occurs.
Why should a people conquered justly through the force of arms
Be permitted to retain a symbol that does lasting harm?
Why should the conquered be allowed to rule the Temple Mount
And by this hold their conquerors to be of no account?
The mosque upon the Mount is beautiful, or so they say
But like the earlier Temple, it also may pass away—
The mosque was built to show who’d conquered many years ago;
The reason it was raised is also why it now must go.
O Jews, who claim Jerusalem is still your capital
How can you claim this when the Mountain still remains in thrall?
It is in thrall by your consent. Jerusalem will be
Your capital united when the Mount has been set free.
@ Lily:
I’ve met several professors who are conservative but do not advertise it because they want to make tenure. Yet they vote Republican all the time.
Speranza wrote:
Only to have Nasser die on them less than three years later. Then Sadat knew the score and kicked the Soviets’ asses OUT.
@ Speranza:
.
I seriously know quite few union Republicans.
My father in law was a local president & always
voted straight ticket Republican.
Wow. Seventy years ago today Midway. But the six day war, I forgot about it being now. I am doing a post on this. Thanks for the heads up.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Is this something you came up with?
@ m:
Yeah ask the Serbs. They were kicking Muzzie ass and got bombed for it.
Macker wrote:
I wrote that back at Mad King Yertle’s, several years ago.
@ Speranza:
Exactly. The Israelis should have sent them packing. Now they are dealing with the consequences of being humane.
EBL wrote:
And tomorrow is the 68th anniversary of D-Day and the 44th anniversary of the RFK assassination.
Rodan wrote:
The lesson of Shabbos Zachor and Purim—since tradition has it that Saul’s sparing of King Agag of the Amalekites enabled him to sire an heir who was the ancestor of Haman.
Rodan wrote:
A huge mistake but I still say that the Six Day War was Israel and the Jewish peoples finest hour.
EBL wrote:
spring is good fightin’ weather
Speranza wrote:
June is bustin’ out all over!
Compare and contrast the media’s (if you are old enough) treatment of Israel during the Six Day War and its aftermath as opposed to the demonization now. Now the Palestinians are considered to be the underdogs.
Wisconsin Democrats Are Busing in Supporters From Minnesota for Recall Vote (Video) …Update: Michigan Too!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
June 22 is the 71st anniversary of the greatest war ever fought -- Operation Barbarossa -- the Nazi invasion of the U.S.S.R.
@ MacDuff:
Umm if they’re not Wisconsin residents I hope they are not being allowed to vote.
Speranza wrote:
I think the Yom Kippur War was a more close run thing….the IDF was reeling when the Syrian tankers mysteriously halted in top of the Golan Heights…meanwhile as IDF reserved raced to the ridges, their few remaining tanks shot the Syrians asses off, silhouetted on the higher ground….WTF…they had the whole river valley and roadways there for the taking…those few hours right there iced it for Israel
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Oh that was great. Sad and true. But great.
@ EBL:
Twittered and facebooked. Thanks.
heysoos wrote:
The Yom Kippur War was an Israeli victory which for some reason seems to have gone down in the books as a draw.
Speranza wrote:
I’m too cynical to even hold out that hope…..
@ MacDuff:
“The Chicago Way”.
@ MacDuff:
I’m sure that they are all coming in to catch
a Brewers game & go to the Packers museum.
You didn’t think that they were there to steal
an election, did you?
An outstanding video of Israel’s minimum security needs.
RIX wrote:
I understand Wisconsin is lovely this time of year”……
@ EBL:
Very good video -- I have seen it before.
@ MacDuff:
When I think of vacation -- Wisconsin is always near the top of the list. /
Speranza wrote:
Wisconsin is same day registration. I swoop in & give them
my name & some address & you vouch for me.
That’s it, I can vote.
RIX wrote:
She thinks food stamps create jobs.
Speranza wrote:
maybe…had the IDF annihilated Egypts Third Army in the Sinai, that sure would have broken the tie, eh?
MacDuff wrote:
I wonder if this is a pre-veiw of what November is going to be like.
RIX wrote:
It makes Chicago seem strict because there you have to be dead at least a year before you can vote.
heysoos wrote:
You can thank Henry Kissinger for that.
MacDuff wrote:
Actually Door County is a great destination, but I
don’t think that these guys left Minnesotta for a fish
boil.
There has to be another reason, what could it be?
Speranza wrote:
Lots of historical dates in June. Operation
Barbarossa—Hitler’s ego on parade and thankfully a huge mistake.
Speranza wrote:
I do…it was the right choice…it would have literally been murder
Lily wrote:
No doubt. Asking for ID is just like the Holocaust, dontcha know.
Speranza wrote:
This coming from a woman who has millions and millions of dollars. She is sooooo out of touch with reality she should never be able to comment on people who are on food stamps or unemployment. She is a disgusting wrench.
But if I remember correctly it’s people on unemployment who should use their checks to create small businesses. How they are going to do that heaven only knows.
MacDuff wrote:
Just like the Holocaust..what a disgrace. They throw these words around and demean the meaning of them.
We here in Louisiana have always had to show I.D. to vote for as long as I remember..but read in the paper just recently the DOJ is coming after Louisiana for their voter I.D. laws.
@ Speranza:
Pelosi is hands down the dumbest woman in
North America.
@ Lily:
Putting aside her San Francisco left wing politics -- she is incredibly stupid.
Lily wrote:
You buy one loose joint, and sell hits off it. With the money from that you buy two loose joints, and repeat the process. Once you’ve got enough money from that, you buy a quarter-pound of pot, roll loose joints, and sell those. With the money you raise from this, you buy a kilo…and so forth.
Then you get busted, go to jail, and live off the system entirely for a while. Once you are released, start from the beginning again.
This may be common in that area, but a news show in Madison, WI referred to a building called the “Labor Temple”. That’s just so friggin’ wrong on so many levels.
RIX wrote:
Only Patty Murray can give her a run for her money as being the dumbest woman on Capital Hill.
@ Speranza:
Just being life force challenged is no reason to
not do ones civic duty.
Speranza wrote:
I hear ya, but I think that Sheila Jackson Lee is
a tough competitor.
Speranza wrote:
She should retire. That would be a happy day for us all.
“We have to pass the healthcare bill first before we know what’s in it” will go down in history as the most stupidest comment ever…Oh wait…there is the “I’m worried with more people put on Guam it might tip over” …there is so much stupid going on that it will give me a headache if I start to list all the stupid things said by these stupid people who are supposed to leading this country.
MacDuff wrote:
That’s what they call them in the Badger State.
As a yoot, I acquired a labor client with “temples”
all over the state.
I did one night meeting in the dead of Winter,
so far North I was picking up the CBC. Good times!
@ Lily:
Oh and Joe Biden’s three letter word…. J-O-B-S.
/idiot
RIX wrote:
A lot of contenders for that title. Too many.
@ Lily:
if she retires, she’ll lose her inside trading mole
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Sounds like a winning plan there!
heysoos wrote:
She needs to be voted out…but coming from San Francisco ..that is highly unlikely.
RIX wrote:
If Sheila Jackson Lee loses the “stupid” contest, she can take on Henry Waxman for the Nostril Championship.
Buzz..as per #41
not bad for a moldy fig
@ Lily:
The other day Pelosi said that ObamaCare will be
totally upheld by the Court.
How does she know?
Wait for it,
“Because I understand the Consitution!!!!!!”
Stop it, you’re killin me!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Oh nose!
Wait we have another contender for the most stupid woman….
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/06/05/dumb-senate-dem-claire-mccaskill-accuses-gop-opponent-of-being-sexist-dumber-republican-challenger-is-a-woman/
GOOD NEWS: GOP defeats Paycheck Fairness Act in Senate. This was just one more marxist bill of wealth redistribution as well as a new field of litigation for trial lawyers. The dem senators are apparently the worst offenders at paying women less than men. There was a chart of that the other day.
RIX wrote:
I know! I asked my husband does Nancy Pelosi and understanding the Constitution in the same sentence make any sense…
“Oh HELL NO!” was his reply.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Oh man , now that’s a mental image.
Have you noticed that when Sheila Jackson Lee puts
her hair up & wraps those beads around it, it’s like
the hair leads a life of its own?
Seriously, it just moves around at will.
@ Lily:
Pelosi needs three trys to spell her own name right.
This is nothing short of disgusting…I would tell him head on down here and I’ll even give a discount..just happen to have rental house up for rent at the moment.
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/06/05/mass-anti-war-leftist-refuses-to-rent-apartment-to-man-because-hes-a-veteran-of-iraq-and-afghanistan-wars/
RIX wrote:
I wonder what color crayon she uses…or is it one of those rainbow colored crayons?
The Democrat Caucus has looked like the bar science from Star Wars for some time now. I just saw WI Dem Congressthing Gwen Moore….holy friggin crap.
@ Lily:
I saw this, this morning. Landlady Janice Roberts is 63
years old, which tells me that she misses Saigon.
Hating on Viet vets was totally acceptable.
Things are different now, we recognise these guys
as heroes.
Janice should just spend some serious time with her
bong complaining about LBJ.
Lily wrote:
Ah, but she does understand the Constitution as a living, breathing document. So there!
//////////
RIX wrote:
Be fun, though, to freak her out by dusting off one of the old LBJ campaign buttons from the 1964 election that said, “Bury Barry.”
I wonder what would happen to somebody wearing one now.
MacDuff wrote:
That’s right man, Debbie Wasserman Schultze is the
pretty one,/
Macker wrote:
Omigod! The Return of the Creature From Independence Hall!
Lily wrote:
How in the bloody hell is this even CLOSE to being legal? You couldn’t refuse him on the basis of race or religion! GAWD THIS IS INFURIATING!
@ buzzsawmonkey:
The times they are a chnagin & Janice did not
get the memo.
MacDuff wrote:
Bet she’d rent to Bradley Manning, if she could—and give him a welcome basket of muffins.
@ MacDuff:
It really isn’t legal at all. As a landlord I’d welcome this type of renter. We actually had someone say to us, ‘we need a job to rent the house?? And in the same breath can you hold it for us we don’t have any money yet?’
What we do is say we are taking applications.
@ Lily:
You know Pelosi is so stupid, that it’s almost
too easy.
Let me redeem myself, Charles Johnson is a big, fat ogre!
There, now I have regained my maturity.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I’ll see that and raise you a Achmed Shabazz Bopshuwop.
She would be wearing a burqua & would learn to STFU!
@ RIX:
@ buzzsawmonkey:
ROFLMAIAO!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
And do you want to bet she likes anal sex to boot!? 8)
Macker wrote:
Well I’d say she probably thinks its okay…she is 63..she is an aging hippy.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
As I’ve oft heard it said, “she doesn’t have a different opinion, she’s on the other side”. The level of active treason in this country is stunning.
Lily wrote:
Discrimination, like squelching free speech is just fine with these people as long as it’s against the right people. They really are fascists.
To the tune of “Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band”:
Forty-seven years ago today
Arabs tried to blow Israel away
But instead, in just a mere six days
They were defeated every which way
So let me introduce to you
From Mount Hermon down to the Dead Sea
The historical Jewish homeland!
Israel’s the historic Jewish homeland
May its people prosper and grow
It is the historic Jewish homeland
Given to them by—well, you know
The historic Jewish
The historic Jewish
The historic Jewish homeland
It’s wonderful to be there, it’s certainly a thrill
Since the Romans defeated us and sent us in exile, or galus
It’s so nice to be home!
Islamist hatred continues to grow
We have to keep watching for each new blow
It’s awfully hard to maintain aplomb
As Iran gets closer to the bomb
So right now our hopes are riding on
Prime Minister Netanyahu
In the historical Jewish homeland…
Of course, having posted that, I just realized that the war was 45 years ago, not 47 years ago.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Excellent buzz! The other one was too.
Issa: Wiretaps show ‘immense detail’ about questionable Fast & Furious tactics
Published June 05, 2012
A House investigative committee said Tuesday it has obtained new information from wiretaps related to the Obama administration’s Operation Fast and Furious that suggests high-ranking officials know more than they are telling Congress about the flawed weapons sting.
The announcement appears to be the latest attempt by GOP Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, to press U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder into providing Congress with more information about the operation and an account of which officials knew about any problems — and when.
“The wiretap applications show that immense detail about questionable investigative tactics was available to the senior officials who reviewed and authorized them,” Issa said in a June 5 letter to Holder. “The close involvement of these officials — much greater than previously known — is shocking.”
The targets of “Fast and Furious” bought nearly 2,000 weapons over several months. For reasons that are still in dispute, most of those weapons were never followed. High-powered weapons tied to the investigation ended up at crime scenes in Mexico and the United States, including the December 2010 murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.
Go read the entire article and watch the video.
Speaker John Boehnor and Congressman Darryl Issa conspire to Betray America.
cheers cheers cheers…
what would you do if I torture a Jew
would you stand up and walk out on me?
I’ll chop off your ears,
while drinking some beers,
and then I’ll break both of your knees
whoa, I’ll get by with a little help from my fiends
your gonna cry with a little help from my fiends
need to die with a little help from my fiends…
etc
@ buzzsawmonkey:
The City Clerk of Madison WI. says that voting
turnout is on pace to reach 119%!
This can happen because same day registration can push
the vote beyond 100% of regsistered voters.
119%! Anyboby else think that voiter fraud is huge
in Wisconsin?
Still, they won’t be able to steal enough.
RIX wrote:
darn it, I have trouble staying interested…like, so what?
RIX wrote:
I think it is a big deal. I think voter fraud is huge in Wisconsin and is a bellweather to what will happen in November.
@ heysoos:
What Lilly said. A loss here & BHO has to defend Wisconsin
& maybe even lose it.
@ RIX:
I keep up, I’m just not moved….I’m not so sure Romney in the WH with congress in his pocket is such a good thing…WHAT?
RIX wrote:
Also in the mix I think if Walker wins and the reaction to it tomorrow will tell the story..I’m hearing that if Walker wins there will be violence tomorrow. I think Wisconsin is the testing ground for November.
@ heysoos:
And another 4 years of obama will be just terrific!
/NOT!
Before I leave I just want to tell you that if Walker
loses tonight. Obama willl resign admitting that he is
an incompetent fraud.
I want to tell you that but alas, it’s not true,
See ya.
@ RIX:
Doh! I mean if Walker WINS!
@ Lily:
that’s my dilemma…actually I cannot stand Romney, but the alternative is worse…and it’s really not so much Romney as the GOP elites….these cats are poison
@ RIX:
Keyboards…I tell ya they are at war with us!~
@ Lily:
I am not pulling for violence, but it would work against
Obama. His shock troops.
@ Lily:
Let them start violence -- it will cost them big in November. This is not 1968.
Lily wrote:
Tell be about it.
Hot damn! Just heard the dinner bell, see ya.
heysoos wrote:
Congress in his pocket? No way -- congress is loaded with folks who are not convinced he is much of a conservative. Anyone is better then Obama.
heysoos wrote:
No it would have been war -- therefore should our slaughter of the German Army at the Falaise Gap then be considered to be murder? Also it would have been ok for the Egyptian Army to slaughter the Israeli army???
@ heysoos:
Poision compared to obama? I think obama is pure poision to be honest.
I also think Romney will do a hell of a lot better than a lot of people think he will.
Obama is dystroying us. Sorry I’ll take Romney any day over obama.
God night in Georgia Romney actually believes in our constitution.
Obama wishes our country were more like China.
I see NO dilemma at all.
@ Speranza:
not sure about hypotheticals, it was what it was…several score of thousands trapped…there was no reason to kill them, and it was right to show mercy…Israel is not just anybody
@ RIX:
@ Speranza:
I believe they are using this ‘state’ election as a testing ground.
heysoos wrote:
Yes there is what blogger Meryl Yourish refers to as “Israel Double Standard Time” where Israel is forced to play by different rules. Israel cannot take out Hamas leaders via Apache helicopter hellfire missiles while we of course are allowed to kill al Qaeda via drone strikes. Give me flipping break! Egypt attacked Israel on Yom Kippur -- Egypt started the war -- Israel had the right if she chose to do so to utterly destroy them.
Speranza wrote:
@ Lily:
Romney is an Islamic ass kisser like Obama. I am just voting for him to prove him and the GOP are fraudsters.
@ Lily:
if Romney believed in the Constitution he would simply say that all woman have the right to an abortion, no prelims, no violation of stupid state laws, stop burning PP’s, marching, threatening women and move on to the economy…yet he doesn’t…if he believed in the Constitution he would tell his supporters that gays have a right to some legal support regarding marriage or unions and to quit finding fault with atheists…he doesn’t….he should tell his critics to go pound sand concerning Mormonism, he won’t….he has all these fringe issues to deal with and he allows himself to be manipulated in lieu of his personal principle….to grab the POTUS you have to be a whore to your voters, which he is…there is nothing in his long record to show he is his own man….he’s another hooker in a three piece suit…he’s got absolutely nothing for me except he faces BO, who is even worse
@ Speranza:
Israel lets itself play by different rules. If they did what they had to do, no one would do anything.
@ heysoos:
Where in the Constitution is the right of Gays getting married?
Its Atheists who are the assholes trying to shove their crap in our faces.
The 9th Circuit Court get’s overturned by SCOTUS about 60 percent of the time. They are an insult and an injury to the State of California.
@ heysoos:
Sorry I don’t agree with a word you said.
@ Speranza:
I agree, but Israel has to play a game no other state does…they understand the dynamics of balance with the US against their enemies….ruining the Third Army would accomplish nothing to their favor, so they sent them packing and picked up some brownie points for it
heysoos wrote:
That’s my stance. Romney is a Liberal but Obama is a 3rd World Liberation Marxist. Hence I have to vote for the Liberal, but that doesn’t mean I will be a water carrier.
Rodan wrote:
Hear, hear!
@ Rodan:
where in the Con does it say that same sex people cannot marry?
@ Lily:
This is a funny dynamic, I’m agreeing with Heysos about Romney, but agreeing with you on the Constitution.
Odd day!
@ doriangrey:
Makes me wonder what would happen if SCOTUS overturns the 9th Circus Court of Appeals on Prop 8. Will teh ghey community stomp their feet and throw yet another temper tantrum…or will they go Stonewall on us?
heysoos wrote:
No. Not at all. No Constitutional right whatsoever.
If you believe such a right exists, explain it—and where it is to be found—in clear, succinct sentences with no ellipses.
@ Rodan:
it’s what it is…we are all individual….the trick is to not kill somebody over it…
DRINK!
@ heysoos:
Gay Marriage is a recent phenomenon. Its an invented issue. There was never any Gay Marriage until recent times.
Gay Marriage is NOT a Constitutional right.
heysoos wrote:
That does not mean that a right to do so exists.
doriangrey wrote:
Wasn’t this put to a vote and then 9th Circuit Court said the people were wrong? So why even let people vote on it? This is a disgrace by the 9th Circuit Court.
heysoos wrote:
Salud!
doriangrey wrote:
And the First DA/DT Justice is rarin’ to go.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
they have the right because there is no legislation against it…take your beef to the SC if it’s that important…you’ll lose
Any more questions about what the Militant Homosexual Agenda really is? If you can’t figure it out from this, well, then you are stupider than a bucket of warm spit.
heysoos wrote:
If that were true, what are all the howling mobs with signs doing demanding something they already have?
You are talking through your hat.
heysoos wrote:
I’m guessing you have never heard of DOMA.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
That’s not his hat he is talking through, it’s his ass.
Rodan wrote:
Look our choice is Romney..or Obama. The only reason I will defend Romney is because the other choice is much worse, very much worse.
I think the Romney bashing is just pre-mature. It is our only choice.
Sure I agree with you that the RNC should have put up a better candidate. But right now we really need to get behind him to get this rogue president and all his EO’s sitting on his desk just waiting for him to be given 4 more years out of the White House and the rest of his communist thugs with him. Romney doesn’t scare me. Obama does.
I think you and I agree more often than not. Sometimes it just doesn’t seem like it.
@ doriangrey:
Yup, its a pre-text to go after The Catholic Church, Evangelicals, Baptists, Orthodox Christians, Orthodox Jews.
we have a secular state…as far as I’m concerned marriage is another type of business arrangement…the state will record, save, and intervene when couples cannot come to their own terms regarding money, children, property etc…who’s business is it that the two people are fucking each other, living together or whatever…it all comes down to the law, secular law…these people are just names on the books
Lily wrote:
If Romney beats Obama -- he gets at least two years from me where my gratitude overrides my other concerns.
@ Lily:
I think you and I agree more often than not. Sometimes it just doesn’t seem like it.
We do, we just disagree over Romney and the GOP’s agenda. But we agree on everything else.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
ignore them…what’s your problem with lunatics?….they have cred because you give it to them
Lily wrote:
Meh, don’t worry about it Lily, Rodan disagrees with himself half the time, just so he won’t get complacent about his own opinions. (That or he’s just ornery)
doriangrey wrote:
This is excatly what it is all about! Being able to sue Churches..to destroy our religious freedoms. Gays can have civil unions …but they should not have the right to enforce their belief’s on Churches to force them to go against their tenets.
@ doriangrey:
no, I’m saying what i believe…chill out or go face palm yourself…millions of people propose this same argument for people like you
Drudge:
Exit Polls: Close but no “recall”
heysoos wrote:
You don’t even know what “people like me” are.
@ Lily:
what civil freedoms are denied you because of gays?
Rodan wrote:
heysoos wrote:
How about my First amendment constitutional right, not that you seem to know what that is or anything.
@ doriangrey:
then trust your own words…gay people are not taking over America
heysoos wrote:
That my church doesn’t get sued because they refuse to perform ‘gay’ marriages. It is against our tenets.
You honestly don’t understand this is something to undermine the Churches and in my Church marriage is a Sacrament. Not to be taken willy-nilly. I don’t care about civil unions..but that isn’t enough for them …when a civil union would give them all the rights they want …they want to make the Churches bend their knees to them. Sorry if you can’t understand this.
@ doriangrey:
pretty weak explanation…I won’t expect more from you…gays are preventing you from expressive freedom?…how?
heysoos wrote:
Are you really this stupid? Or do you just play an imbecile on the internet?
doriangrey wrote:
@ Lily:
you are making something out of nothing…churches do not have to conform to popular politics…since when?
heysoos wrote:
Try quoting the first Amendment to me, that is if you can do so without choking on it. and then tell me you still don’t know what I am talking about.
heysoos wrote:
Since, oh right now.
Court Says Gay Rights Trump Religious Rights
@ doriangrey:
nice going….you might be more comfortable over at LGF…I think you are a knee jerk idiot, but I wouldn’t say so in public…why do you reduce you fuzzy brain to derogatory crap?
@ Lily:
have your church been taken to court?…when, and what was the verdict?
heysoos wrote:
Because it seems to be the only thing you understand. You know, have to lower the intellectual level of my rhetoric to something you can comprehend.
Muzzbot yells “Allah Akbar”, beheads wife and tosses her head off apartment roof.
Savages.
heysoos wrote:
Really this is exactly the agenda. This has been explained to you several times nicely, politely and yet you still act like we are fools for understanding this is an attack to our freedom OF religion.
@ doriangrey:
duh!…gay rights should trump religious rights…are you always this stupid?
@ doriangrey:
you don’t debate, you attack…just another poodle
@ Lily:
it’s because i don’t fall for you phony gay attack agenda
@ heysoos:
Gay rights do not and should not trump religious rights. Where in the constitution does it say we have a *RIGHT* to have sex with anyone or anything and anywhere????? Sorry this is about sex. Sex isn’t a civil rights issue. Keep that to yourself and in your bedroom and don’t try to force it down other peoples throats.
heysoos wrote:
Show me where Gay Right are enumerated in the US Constitution and I will show you where Religious Rights are.
Now, where exactly are “Gay Right” enumerated in the US Constitution again? Oh yea, that’s right, they are not.
@ Lily:
when was you church attacked by gays?…you didn’t answer
@ heysoos:
Apparently you actual don’t read my posts. Civil unions are okay and they are given all the rights that married couples have. But that isn’t enough they want the churches to bend to them too.
@ Lily:
where does it say that it doesn’t?…I want everybody to have the same rights regardless of sexual affiliation…churches have nothing to do with it and I fully expect the courts to protect you bigotry
heysoos wrote:
Every Church in America was attacked when the Court system ruled that Gay right trumped Religious rights, but your not honest enough to admit that, but that is to be expected from a God hating atheist like you.
heysoos wrote:
Good grief. Give them time if the courts force the Churches to conform to them and this is what is going on right now. That is their agenda. Sorry I refuse to be attacked by you. I don’t really care if you think I am right or wrong. You have already made up your mind. You don’t want honest discussion you want to bait and attack.
@ Lily:
well they can’t bend your church…there is no assault on your ‘rights’
@ Lily:
then you anger should be directed at the courts, not gays
heysoos wrote:
And who forced this issue before the Courts?
@ doriangrey:
show me…quit blathering and show me…you might change my mind
heysoos wrote:
Now you have resorted to calling me a bigot. You do not know me and I am not a bigot. I am sorry that you can not understand the point. But let this be very clear here. I HAVE NOT CALLED YOU ANY NAME OR HAVE BEEN IMPOLITE TO YOU. You cannot say the same to me. So who here is the attacker?
@ doriangrey:
nazis?…get a grip…everybody wants there issue to go to the SC…why are you even inside this debate?
heysoos wrote:
Excatly where have I said I was angry? Do not put words into my posts or my mouth that I have not written.
@ Lily:
too bad, the shit is flying now
heysoos wrote:
Just like you wanted it to. Sorry not in the mood for a food fight.
Time for me to go.
Have a good evening all.
heysoos wrote:
1) “A secular state” merely means that it is not the law that marriages must be done according to the rite of Church X and not according to the rite of Church Y. It does not mean that there is no element of religion in determining what marriage is.
2) But let us say, for the sake of argument, that you are correct in wanting all religious elements out of the determination of marriage. Does that mean you also want to chisel “In God We Trust” off the coinage and public buildings? Abolish the chaplains in the Congress and the state legislatures? In the armed forces? Just how far are you planning to take this—and why? Is this merely to accommodate the perhaps 2% to 4% of the population that is attracted solely to the same sex? Isn’t that a case of the tail wagging the dog with a vengeance?
3) Well, OK, now—we’ve got religion entirely out of the state’s end of the marriage business. That’s all right, on one level—your noisy minority can couple to its heart’s content with official sanction, everybody gets merely “domestic partnership” recognition from the state and has to go to their denomination of choice if they want some element of sanctity. Meantime, though—how you gonna stop cousins from “domestic-partnering?” Or siblings? Or a pansy and a chimpanzee? We already have Great Minds arguing that apes are superior to mentally-impaired human children, and that farm animals have or should have rights equivalent to humans. How and on what grounds are you going to prevent their nuptials?
4) Your fundamental flaw—the flaw that destroys your entire argument—is your citation to “as far as I’m concerned,” in the first line. You are not only not dictator of the country, or Pope, you are not even President. What you think means absolutely nothing, unless you can connect it to history, jusrisprudence, and some level of consistent logic. And you haven’t done that.
Sorry.
heysoos wrote:
You would have to have a mind first, you obviously don’t. It’s right there in front of you, but you refuse to see it.
The Court of Appeals determined that a photo studio is considered a public accommodation – much like a restaurant or a store. As such, the photo studio may not refuse services based on sexual orientation or gender identity – even if doing so would violate the religious principles of the owners.
Churches are “Public Accommodations” according to the Court definition.
I realize you can’t understand this, because, well it take intelligence and the capacity for logical reasoning, which you are clearly lacking.
heysoos wrote:
You want to create nonexistent “rights” out of whole cloth merely as a matter of personal whim.
Or, you want to troll this site to see how many people you can incite by making unsupported statements which are so garbled they do not rise to the level of reasoned argument.
Or both.
you people here@ buzzsawmonkey:
troll this site?…thanks for that
Blogmoc…troll central
heysoos wrote:
Sometimes one has to be harsh, no matter how much one regrets it.
“Trolling” consists of endlessly repeating baited material without support; it grieves me to see you fall into that rut. I like seeing you around, and I’m glad you’re finally out of Yertle’s stagnant pond—but on an issue such as that under discussion, you need to refer to more than your own personal opinion if you want your statements to be taken seriously.
@ heysoos:
Do you support Cannibal Rights?
Heysoos, don’t go ‘way mad
Take a bad post, and make it better
If you let the comments under your skin
Your skin’s too thin to make it better.
Heysoos, the gaffes you made
If repeated, keep you in fetters
The minute you support your position
Then you begin to make it better.
It isn’t that you disagree, Heysoos—
Believe me
We’ve all disagreed with lots of posters
But if you lack info to back when you attack
You’ll just be dismissed as an idle boaster
Heysoos, when next you’re ’round
I surely hope that your temper’s better
As soon as you back up things that you say
From that new day, you’ll find things better
Better, better, better, better, better, better….
La, la la, lalalala
Lalalala, Heysoos…
Knock it off.