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Death Of Many American Communities Ordered By The EPA.

by Flyovercountry ( 74 Comments › )
Filed under Economy, Environmentalism, Progressives, Regulation at June 6th, 2012 - 11:30 am

Michael Ramirez Cartoon

I found this story yesterday at The Daily Caller.

Here’s what was said in the clip, word for word by EPA Regional Administrator, Curtis Spalding:

“Lisa Jackson has put forth a very powerful message to the country. Just two days ago, the decision on greenhouse gas performance standard and saying basically gas plants are the performance standard which means if you want to build a coal plant you got a big problem. That was a huge decision,”

“You can’t imagine how tough that was, Because you got to remember if you go to West Virginia, Pennsylvania, and all those places, you have coal communities who depend on coal. And to say that we just think those communities should just go away, we can’t do that. But she had to do what the law and policy suggested. And it’s painful. It’s painful every step of the way.”

Here is another link back to the Daily Caller article.

What Curtis Spalding has just admitted to is that Lisa Jackson, the EPA chief, has decided that since cap and trade did not pass legislatively, she would use existing statutes to rewrite the rules to inflict it upon us anyhow. He also noted how brave her decision was, in light of the fact that many communities in the flyover states known as Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Ohio, and where ever else there are coal burning electric producing plants, or coal mines, or even businesses that transport coal will be destroyed as a result of her bureaucratic rigidity.

There are so many points to be made here, that I will apologize in advance for any that I might be missing, and please feel free to add them to the list. First, notice how cavalier the Obama Administration is about destroying American communities in order to inflict their green ideology upon the rest of us. So much for the little guy that they pretend to care so much about. too bad you folks in Ohio and Pennsylvania didn’t donate a years salary to the Zero during his last campaign, then he could have at least lied to you and told you of the wonderful green job your community would benefit from, if those solar and wind plants actually produced sufficient electricity to be worth building in the first place.

For those of you who are thinking, I agree with the green agenda, and my community doesn’t depend on coal, nor do I even like the coal industry, wait until you get a load of the coming electricity rates due to arrive this summer. The result of forcing electric producers out of business will be an artificial shortage of the product they used to produce. Either there will be less electricity to go around, in which case it will cost more, or they will raise their prices to offset the EPA’s new and vastly increased compliance standards. Either way, I hope you didn’t laugh too loud at California during their rolling black outs of the Governor, “Grey Out,” Davis era, because it will be coming to your state soon. One thing I have learned about the entitled twit class in this country, they are all for sacrifice when someone else has to make it, but when it is upon them to make that sacrifice, not so much. I have liberal friends who I have recorded at the dinner table announcing that they would be willing to pay $4 per gallon for gasoline if it meant cleaner what ever, but when gas hit that price in the summer of 2007, they were the first and most vociferous in calling for George W. Bush’s head.

Please notice also, how the well intentioned law written half a century ago has grown in scope and structure at the whim of the bureaucrat in charge. Who after all wants polluted water or poisoned air to drink and breathe? Get a few women on television testifying with tears in their eyes about how their children are suffering, and blammo, 50 years later, Lisa Jackson has the authority and power to destroy American communities with a stroke of her pen in several states that produce something the rest of America actually finds beneficial. Our elected legislators in Washington have learned years ago the art to making their sweeping legislation designed to protect us from us as vague as possible. In fact, their laws are so vague anymore, they don’t even bother reading them. They don’t really say all that much anyhow. The rules for these laws are written by the new bureaucracies that they create, and the devil is in the unknown details. Dodd Frank, passed two years ago, and they are as of this writing, about half way through with deciding the totality of what it actually will inflict upon us. Obamacare, well let’s just say that Nancy Pelosi’s claim that we will love it once we found out what was in it has not exactly turned out to be the case. The clean air act is no exception to this rule. It was passed with the usual ambiguous language that said nothing besides the EPA would be free to write its own rules completely exempt from any type of oversight from any outside source, like the people affected by its decisions. It simply is another tool of the Executive Branch to divorce itself from the checks and balances system that was implied by the separation of powers.

This serves as that shining example of how the Republican strategists who have been planning on not winning the Presidency because they don’t believe they can, but are planning on holding the House and winning the Senate are not only wrong, but dangerously so. In November of 2010 the American People served Barack Obama with a very pointedly worded restraining order. It came in the form of an historic swing of 63 House seats, 7 Senate seats, 11 Governors chairs, and 680 state legislature positions. After that restraining order was filed, it was effectively ignored via this very type of executive fiat. Cap and Trade was defeated in the Senate, and defeated soundly. Yet, here we are two years later and the Executive Branch, in the form of the EPA has found a way to inflict it upon us anyhow, as the current climate allows for the EPA to make up its own rules as it goes along.

These people are beyond dangerous, and we need to send them home this November.

Cross Posted at Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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74 Responses to “Death Of Many American Communities Ordered By The EPA.”
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  1. lobo91
    1 | June 6, 2012 11:59 am

    The city-owned utility system in Colorado Springs relies on a coal-fired plant.

    But we don’t vote for Democrats, so we don’t count.


  2. SciFiGuy
    2 | June 6, 2012 11:59 am

    Why isn’t this being brought before the courts???

    And I can’t wait till the libturds start bitchin about not having electricity for their life styles….


  3. lobo91
    3 | June 6, 2012 12:02 pm

    And of course, shutting down every coal-fired powerplant in the US will result in a net increase in pollution, because the coal that would have been burned in our relatively clean plants will instead be exported to China, where they don’t have an EPA.


  4. 4 | June 6, 2012 12:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    And of course, shutting down every coal-fired powerplant in the US will result in a net increase in pollution, because the coal that would have been burned in our relatively clean plants will instead be exported to China, where they don’t have an EPA.

    You’ve made an excellent point that I’d love to expand upon. China, Socialist Utopia that it is, has plenty of her own coal. In fact, she has an even larger amount of the older receding mountains similar to our Appalachian chain which is the best source of bituminous coal. China is so committed to the cheaper more efficient energy source that they can’t mine their own mountains fast enough and therefore are forced to buy coal from us. This should prove the the Marxists who have taken over our environmental movement have absolutely zero concern for the environment. Their only goal is to sabotage the U.S. economy.


  5. lobo91
    5 | June 6, 2012 12:15 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    The same is true about the Keystone XL pipeline.

    It’s not like Canada’s just going to say “Oh…nevermind” if they can’t send that oil to the US. It’s still going to be burned someplace.


  6. 6 | June 6, 2012 12:18 pm

    @ lobo91:

    As it turns out, that someplace is, wait for it, ……… China.


  7. lobo91
    7 | June 6, 2012 12:19 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    As it turns out, that someplace is, wait for it, ……… China.

    What a shock
    //


  8. citizen_q
    8 | June 6, 2012 12:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    But we don’t vote for Democrats, so we don’t count.

    What you can count on is chicago style pay-back for your non-support.


  9. citizen_q
    9 | June 6, 2012 12:24 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:
    @ lobo91:
    Maybe China is importing coal because they are running out of miners? /

    The safety record of China’s mines is deplorable. I bet they can only get employees at the barrel of a gun.


  10. lobo91
    10 | June 6, 2012 12:26 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    I bet they can only get employees at the barrel of a gun.

    Unless they have a shortage of guns, I don’t see that being a problem for them…


  11. RIX
    11 | June 6, 2012 12:27 pm

    What the Greens either don’t understand or just ignore,
    is that the state of green technology is not there.
    Also for the forseeable future it is not affordable.
    If it was affordable & could turn a profit, private
    industry would be all over it.
    Government coersion & stimulous cash would not be necessary.


  12. lobo91
    12 | June 6, 2012 12:31 pm

    @ RIX:

    Anytime government tries to mandate the use of a particular technology it fails.

    I remember Maryland trying to force gun manufacturers to only sell “smart” guns in their state about 10 years ago, despite the fact that no such thing exists in production form even today. The manufacturers all basically said, “Well, I guess we won’t be selling any products in your state next year.”

    California tried to mandate the sale of a certain number of electric cars around the same time, with a similar result.


  13. 13 | June 6, 2012 12:32 pm

    Obama said this would happen and it has. I can’t believe the stupidity of this coming before the election, we are seeing the myth of the brilliant Obama campaign machine being debunked everyday.


  14. 14 | June 6, 2012 12:34 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Mining is a dangerous prospect. Growing up in W.Va., I have a few family members who were caught in mining accidents. yet, many still flock to those jobs, knowing full well that the life expectancy of a coal miner is somewhere in the mid 50′s, even today. The reason of course is that the money is good, and by good, I mean worth the shortened life expectancy for the guys who choose to do that. China has an unbelievably large populace. So large in fact that one could argue that their human resources pool is as close to infinite as would be statistically possible. Producing coal is not their problem, but rather producing sufficient and increasing amounts of coal to keep up with their demand. They construct one new coal burning electric plant each and every day. Let that sink in for one moment. We have not opened one here in our country at all for a long time. No new Nuclear power either, nor even a propane burning plant. Our population is not decreasing, but rather increasing at about 150,000 new faces per month. China, Socialists that they are, are suddenly better capitalists than we are, and that scares the hell out of me.


  15. citizen_q
    15 | June 6, 2012 12:36 pm

    RIX wrote:

    What the Greens either don’t understand or just ignore,
    is that the state of green technology is not there.
    Also for the forseeable future it is not affordable.

    They understand perfectly well, but won’t let facts get in the way of ideology. Hence the relentless drive to artificially hike the costs of all forms of traditional energy, so that so-called green energy might in some way be cost competitive.


  16. 16 | June 6, 2012 12:37 pm

    @ RIX:
    Oh, they understand it all right. Stimulus money can be skimmed. If you let the market take care of it there is less oppertunity for graft. Obama is all about graft.


  17. citizen_q
    17 | June 6, 2012 12:39 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    Producing coal is not their problem, but rather producing sufficient and increasing amounts of coal to keep up with their demand. They construct one new coal burning electric plant each and every day. Let that sink in for one moment. We have not opened one here in our country at all for a long time. No new Nuclear power either, nor even a propane burning plant.

    Too bad the greenies can’t be distracted by that shiny object. I don’t suppose those Chinese power plants are too concerned about their emissions.


  18. 18 | June 6, 2012 12:39 pm

    If Romney wins, he should put Sarah Palin in charge of the EPA.


  19. 19 | June 6, 2012 12:40 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Not in the slightest.


  20. 20 | June 6, 2012 12:41 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    We have not opened one here in our country at all for a long time. No new Nuclear power either, nor even a propane burning plant.

    Nor have we built one single new oil refinery here in the last 60 years. Peak oil is a fantasy, but peak oil distillation is not. We are right now teetering on the edge of being unable to refine enough oil for our needs completely regardless of the volume of oil available to us.


  21. citizen_q
    21 | June 6, 2012 12:41 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Interesting our responses casts the enviros in 2 different lights.

    My comments assumes they are religious zealots, your greedy currupto-crates.

    I don’t think either of us are wrong.


  22. 22 | June 6, 2012 12:42 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    We are right now teetering on the edge of being unable to refine enough oil for our needs completely regardless of the volume of oil available to us.

    ….and that’s just where they want us.


  23. huckfunn
    23 | June 6, 2012 12:44 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:
    Good post, Fly-O. This goes hand-in-hand with your post.
    Here are the coal fired power plants due to be closed under EPA rules.

    Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana, West Virginia hardest hit. Say hello to “electricity costs will necessarily skyrocket.


  24. 24 | June 6, 2012 12:44 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Wow! Thousands and thousands of Americans will have either foam at the mouth or heart attacks on the spot!


  25. 25 | June 6, 2012 12:46 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Interesting our responses casts the enviros in 2 different lights.

    My comments assumes they are religious zealots, your greedy currupto-crates.

    I don’t think either of us are wrong.

    Nor do I. The grass-roots are religious zealots being played by the corrupt bureaucrats. Life is increasingly like a B movie……I’m glad I’ve developed the skills to interpret B movies.


  26. 26 | June 6, 2012 12:47 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Wow! Thousands and thousands of Americans will have either foam at the mouth or heart attacks on the spot!

    And it would be a genuinely beautiful thing to watch… :twisted:


  27. RIX
    27 | June 6, 2012 12:55 pm

    @ lobo91:

    @ RIX:

    Anytime government tries to mandate the use of a particular technology it fails.

    With the exception of saftey inspections, the government
    should stay out of business. Partiularly the BHO
    Administration that can’t control its hostility.


  28. eaglesoars
    28 | June 6, 2012 12:58 pm

    I remember trying to tell people…….they thought I was nuts.

    I was born in Uniontown, PA. If the name Jock Yablonsky means anything to you -- my grandfather gave him his first job in the mines.

    This is what Uniontown has become. Fracking can’t get there soon enough.


  29. RIX
    29 | June 6, 2012 12:58 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    @ Iron Fist:

    I have to agree with both of you. All of this Green
    nonsense coming from the Administration is driven by
    ideology & money laundered kickbacks.


  30. 30 | June 6, 2012 1:02 pm

    @ Macker:

    With the added bonus of all the outraged liberals quitting when Sarah vetoes their stupid ideas. Only conservatives left at the EPA. At that point there’s no one there and we can get rid of the Agency. Then we can move Sarah to Energy….lather, rinse, repeat.


  31. 31 | June 6, 2012 1:06 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Macker:
    With the added bonus of all the outraged liberals quitting when Sarah vetoes their stupid ideas. Only conservatives left at the EPA. At that point there’s no one there and we can get rid of the Agency. Then we can move Sarah to Energy….lather, rinse, repeat.

    BWAHAHAH…. That would soooo work for me… :twisted:


  32. 32 | June 6, 2012 1:06 pm

    @ RIX:

    You don’t get it: Obama has plans being held up by the Republican House that will mandate a good economy. All he needs is another $ Trillion or two, or three, to “build roads and bridges” and that’ll do it!

    After all, aren’t most Americans engaged (or should be engaged) in the building of roads and bridges?


  33. 33 | June 6, 2012 1:07 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Oh, and LOVE your new avatar… :grin:


  34. 34 | June 6, 2012 1:10 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    That’s what they want.


  35. 35 | June 6, 2012 1:14 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Doesn’t Obama need Ohio? Again, Obama’s reelection campaign is stuck on stupid. They were crying the other day that they aren’t up against McCain, this Romney guy isn’t rolling over.


  36. RIX
    36 | June 6, 2012 1:15 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    Actually, the only reason that the Republicans
    block Obama is that they are a bunch of White racists,
    like Alan West.


  37. 37 | June 6, 2012 1:17 pm

    @ RIX:
    Republicans only backed Cain because he knew his place, (as President of the United States).


  38. RIX
    38 | June 6, 2012 1:20 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Republicans only backed Cain because he knew his place, (as President of the United States).

    That’s right, Cain is not uppity & us crackers
    don’t like uppity Negroes./


  39. The Osprey
    39 | June 6, 2012 1:24 pm

    Speaking of raaaaacism…

    House Ethics Committee Rules Against Maxine Waters

    H/T WeaselZip

    Shrieks of “raaaaacism” from the usual quarters to begin in 3…2…1…


  40. 40 | June 6, 2012 1:25 pm

    @ RIX:
    Nothing uppity about wanting to be President. The President serves the people. At least the good ones do. BTW Clinton back-stabbed Obama again, said the Bush tax cuts need to be extended. Oh boy is this great!


  41. 41 | June 6, 2012 1:27 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    For more than two years, the committee has investigated whether Waters violated House rules after allegations surfaced that she secured funding for a bank in which her husband own stock.

    Isn’t she replacing Barnie Frank as head of the Finance Committee?


  42. buzzsawmonkey
    42 | June 6, 2012 1:28 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I was born in Uniontown, PA. If the name Jock Yablonsky means anything to you – my grandfather gave him his first job in the mines.

    Isn’t Yablonsky the union reformer who was murdered by some fellow union men who didn’t want to be reformed?


  43. buzzsawmonkey
    43 | June 6, 2012 1:29 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    Isn’t she replacing Barnie Frank as head of the Finance Committee?

    Ranking minority member, if the Republican majority holds. The chair is always from the majority party.


  44. 44 | June 6, 2012 1:33 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Thanks for sharing this article! The problem is of course, just like the Joni Mitchell song, you don’t know what you got till it’s gone. Leftists will be all in favor of closing those plants, right up until the time their Bose wave machines can’t play their cool tunes any longer.

    @ doriangrey:

    I would answer this some how, if not for fear of our pet oil topic nazi bitch slapping me down a bit. Two sides of the same evil coin. The Marxists have definitely taken way too much control of the asylum.


  45. RIX
    45 | June 6, 2012 1:36 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Nothing uppity about wanting to be President. The President serves the people. At least the good ones do. BTW Clinton back-stabbed Obama again, said the Bush tax cuts need to be extended. Oh boy is this great!

    Obama played the race card on Clinton in 08 & Clinton
    is getting payback.
    If they didn’t have Obama to help retire Hillarys campaign
    debt, Billy Jeff wouldn’t do anything for him.
    He knows that BHO is an arrogant dim bulb.


  46. 46 | June 6, 2012 1:40 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Oh thank you. It’s what I wished I looked like 40 years ago.
    I haven’t had a chance to look -- did Props 28 and 29 pass?


  47. 47 | June 6, 2012 1:45 pm

    @ Rancher:

    Clinton has an ulterior agenda.


  48. 48 | June 6, 2012 1:48 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Obama played the race card on Clinton in 08 & Clinton
    is getting payback.
    If they didn’t have Obama to help retire Hillarys campaign
    debt, Billy Jeff wouldn’t do anything for him.
    He knows that BHO is an arrogant dim bulb.

    He never had any respect for Obama. I seem to remember him saying something to the effect of ‘I remember when a guy like Obama would be serving us coffee’ . That would have been racist if Bill hadn’t been “the first black president”, ya know?

    Bill looks like he’s going to screw him good, this time. He knows exactly what he’s doing.


  49. 49 | June 6, 2012 1:54 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    He’s very vindictive.


  50. yenta-fada
    50 | June 6, 2012 1:57 pm

    We continue to live in the Matrix.

    http://www.jsmineset.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/clip_image0081.jpg


  51. buzzsawmonkey
    51 | June 6, 2012 1:57 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Obama played the race card on Clinton in 08 & Clinton
    is getting payback.
    If they didn’t have Obama to help retire Hillarys campaign
    debt, Billy Jeff wouldn’t do anything for him.
    He knows that BHO is an arrogant dim bulb.

    Not just the race card; by all accounts, the Obamanoids strongarmed Hillary’s people in a number of primary contests, blocked entry, stuffed ballotboxes, the works. There was so much of it and it was so blatant that the Clinton crowd were caught offguard.

    Clinton can knife Obama publicly and Obama can’t do a thing about it. He needs Clinton more than Clinton needs him; Hillary’s campaign debts are surely retired by now, and it’s not like Obama can demand the money back.

    In the meantime, Clinton can go up one side of the country and down the other damning Obama with faint praise and undercutting his campaign talking points. If he does it right, Obama will be buried so deep he won’t slither out from under in years. Clinton can do this with a smile—what’s Obama going to do? Scream at him that he’s not being supportive enough? If that gets out, Obama’s toast; Clinton is at least as popular as Obama and more genial. Clinton probably has more friends in the national party than Obama does; Obama is famous for stiffing even his own supposed allies. If Obama sidelines Clinton—sidelines the one non-gaga Democratic ex-President, and the only one that Americans associate with prosperity—he’ll look weird, too.

    Clinton has Obama’s nuts in a vise, he’s publicly giving the vise twist after twist, and he’s loving every minute of it.


  52. 52 | June 6, 2012 2:00 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Its payback.


  53. 53 | June 6, 2012 2:02 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Clinton has Obama’s nuts in a vise, he’s publicly giving the vise twist after twist, and he’s loving every minute of it.

    I don’t like Clinton, but I admit to enjoying watching that. I think Clinton figures if Obama wins, Joe the Biden has a lock on the 2016 nomination, and he still has dreams for Hillary. I hope those dreams come to nothing, but I’ll laugh while he knifes Obama in the back.


  54. yenta-fada
    54 | June 6, 2012 2:02 pm

    Vote for green slime.

    http://js-kit.com/blob/S3Ap4NknsQ0EjOGAtGYTAn.jpg


  55. MikeA
    55 | June 6, 2012 2:03 pm

    @ Rodan:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    When your enemy is making a mistake, do not interrupt them.

    Napoleon


  56. 56 | June 6, 2012 2:05 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Oh thank you. It’s what I wished I looked like 40 years ago.
    I haven’t had a chance to look – did Props 28 and 29 pass?

    28 passed (term limits)
    29 rejected (cigarette Tax)


  57. 57 | June 6, 2012 2:07 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    All of it true, every single word. People are worried about what Bill’s motivations are for this bitch slapathon. Myself, I couldn’t care less. Someone forgot to tell the Bamster that even Alfonse Capone backed down when Charlie Luciano and Meyer Lansky told him to. Don Clintonleone has no desire to be the Zero’s lackey. It would seem as though he intends to place him unceremoniously under his own bus.


  58. 58 | June 6, 2012 2:17 pm

    @ MikeA:

    Exactly!


  59. Lily
    59 | June 6, 2012 2:21 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    Excatly, Clinton cannot stand obama and obama cannot stand Clinton.
    /I actually read somewhere today that Clinton is MORE liked than obama. Either Fox or Drudge.
    As far as I’m concerned let Clinton keep on twisting the vise on him.


  60. Lily
    60 | June 6, 2012 2:22 pm

    As far as shutting down all these coal plants it is going to be a disaster of unimaginable porportions…not only well electric bill rise..think of all the jobs that will be lost. This is pure insanity.


  61. Alberta Oil Peon
    61 | June 6, 2012 2:23 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:
    Open-pit mining and strip mining, as done for coal, is very safe indeed. If you ever have a death or serious injury on site, it’s probably the result of human error with a vehicle or piece of heavy equipment, and similar accidents occur with similar equipment in non-mining industries, like farming.

    Underground mining, and particularly underground mining for coal, can be dangerous, because even if current best practices are followed, there is always an element of the unknown regarding potential hazards in a body of rock not yet penetrated. And the rocks that host coal deposits tend to be structurally weak.


  62. RIX
    62 | June 6, 2012 2:26 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    He never had any respect for Obama. I seem to remember him saying something to the effect of ‘I remember when a guy like Obama would be serving us coffee’ . That would have been racist if Bill hadn’t been “the first black president”, ya know

    Yeah there is no love lost there. Bill Jeff is screwing
    Obama in the most devestating way, with a smile & false
    flagging as a supporter.


  63. RIX
    63 | June 6, 2012 2:30 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Clinton has Obama’s nuts in a vise, he’s publicly giving the vise twist after twist, and he’s loving every minute of it.

    He does & it’s amuseing to watch.
    Clinton apparently can hold a grudge & payback is
    a bitch.


  64. buzzsawmonkey
    64 | June 6, 2012 2:32 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Bill Jeff is screwing
    Obama in the most devestating way, with a smile & false
    flagging as a supporter.

    Thinking, the while, “Challenge me, will you, you amateur? Claim you came up hardscrabble when you don’t know shit about it? Piss all over my wife’s historic moment? I am going to school you; I am going to show you how it’s done. I am going to slip the knife between your ribs in public, repeatedly, and you won’t be able to lay a finger on me. You’ll go home every night and cry like a baby because there is nothing whatever you can do about it.”


  65. 65 | June 6, 2012 2:33 pm

    Can you guys help me out? I’ve listed some of the disclosures and leaks that Obama’s administration has put out to make him look good or Bush look bad despite the damage to the US. Can anyone come up with more?

    Obama Crows, Intel Goes.

    A better title would be appreciated too.


  66. 66 | June 6, 2012 2:36 pm

    @ RIX:

    Treacherous, these Democrats are, yes?


  67. 67 | June 6, 2012 2:37 pm

    Did you see the Barrett supporter who slapped him for conceding too early? No, it wasn’t Charles.


  68. 68 | June 6, 2012 2:52 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I voted no on both simply because I never trust a term limits measure -- that last one they stuck on the ballot tried to make us believe that it was going to shape things up when all it was was a pathetic attempt to let the Assembly and Senate leaders keep their jobs by resetting the term limits clock. I’ll have to go back and look — unless you can give me the doriangray assessment as to whether it’s a good thing or a bad thing.


  69. 69 | June 6, 2012 2:57 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    It would not surprise me if Clinton’s motivations were to get Obama’s Presidency to end. If he’s still President in 2016, people will have had enough of Democrats so Hildebeest could never be elected -- I imagine foreign and domestic policy in a second Obama term would be devastating to Democrat incumbents and Hildy would need to resign as SOS in order to get away from him. That would really, really look bad for her among Dems.

    If Romney wins in 2012, Hildy has four years to rehabilitate her image, distance herself from Obama and run against Romney in 2016.


  70. Lily
    70 | June 6, 2012 2:59 pm

    @ Rancher:

    I think you did a good job as it stands. :)


  71. Lily
    71 | June 6, 2012 3:01 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    That is exactly what Bill Clinton plans. Isn’t Hillary stepping down from SOS already.


  72. buzzsawmonkey
    72 | June 6, 2012 3:01 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I never trust a term limits measure

    Term limits, unless it is accompanied by the abolition of civil service and public-sector unions, merely means handing over the government to unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats to an even greater degree.


  73. 73 | June 6, 2012 3:13 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Hillary has already announced her retirement from that position, which is not at all uncommon. The job is probably the second most exhaustive in government. What is uncommon is Hillary’s announced plans to skip the DNC convention this year. That was a major slap in the Zero’s face. Don’t worry though, he’ll still have Bill there to help, (cough,) him out, and no Hillary to use as a political hostage.

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    We already have term limits, they are called the ballot box. Richard Lugar, formerly of Indiana just got an education as to how they work.


  74. 74 | June 6, 2012 7:16 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Obama played the race card on Clinton in 08 & Clinton
    is getting payback.
    If they didn’t have Obama to help retire Hillarys campaign
    debt, Billy Jeff wouldn’t do anything for him.
    He knows that BHO is an arrogant dim bulb.
    He never had any respect for Obama. I seem to remember him saying something to the effect of ‘I remember when a guy like Obama would be serving us coffee’ . That would have been racist if Bill hadn’t been “the first black president”, ya know?
    Bill looks like he’s going to screw him good, this time. He knows exactly what he’s doing.

    I wouldn’t drink coffee he’d touched. He probably would have spit in it.

    I’ll make my own damn coffee, thankyouverymuch!


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