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Sinister Intentions: the Left’s attitude towards ‘the Jews’

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Sinister Intentions: the Left’s attitude towards ‘the Jews’

[This is a paper about anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist discourses on the left of the political spectrum (usually referred to as ‘the Left’). More specifically, it focuses on gentile hatred/fear of the Jews and the State of Israel. It is not my intention to examine the Israeli Left, which is far less anti-Zionist than its European and American counterparts. It is also beyond the scope of this paper to look at the various socialist philosophies of Jewish intellectuals in the 1920 and 1930s, some of whom were Zionists. Finally, the strange phenomena of Jewish self-hatred espoused by people like Gilad Atzmon is not discussed.]

Sinister intentions: The Left’s attitude towards ‘the Jews’

“With their own nationalisms off limit, many Europeans […] embrace vicariously the nationalisms of others – particularly Palestinian nationalism, which, in its most radical versions, allowed Europeans to reconnect with a discredited strand of European nationalism, anti-Semitism.” (Christopher Caldwell, Reflections on the Revolution in Europe)

“[The Left is] indulging anti-Semites to an extent that is alarming and dangerous.” (Jonah Goldberg, Liberal Fascism)

In the beginning

In the first half of the 20th century, there was a handful of British leftists who supported the idea of an independent Jewish state. In 1917, the Labour Party advocated the right of Jews to return to their ancestral homeland, a position that was soon echoed by the Balfour Declaration, which favoured “the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.” Chaim Weizmann, who became president of the British Zionist Federation in 1917 and helped formulate the Balfour Declaration, was on friendly terms with Guardian newspaper editor C. P. Scott. The paper supported the creation of the State of Israel in 1948.

Despite occasional words of support for the establishment of a Jewish homeland, the Labour Party betrayed Israel at the earliest opportunity. Post-war British foreign secretary Ernest Bevin, who believed he was the victim of a Jewish conspiracy, embargoed arms shipments at a time when Israel was fighting for its life and refused to lift restrictions on Jewish immigration to Palestine.

In 1948, Bevin negotiated the “Portsmouth Treaty” (never to be implemented), in which Britain agreed to provide the Iraqis with weapons to destroy the impending Israeli state. According to then-Iraqi foreign minister Muhammad Fadhel al-Jamali, “the British undertook to withdraw from Palestine gradually, so that Arab forces could enter every area evacuated by the British in order that the whole of Palestine should be in Arab bands after the British withdrawal.” The post-war Labour government also sided with the Egyptians in the Arab-Israeli war. The British sent five reconnaissance aircraft to scout for Israeli positions but were shot down by the Jewish airforce.

Bevin was convinced that he in particular – and the British people in general – were the dupes of a Jewish conspiracy. Bevin’s paranoia was not unusual. Even before anti-Zionism became fashionable, left-wingers in the UK and Europe had a tendency to espouse outlandish theories and/or champion unpleasant ‘solutions’ to the ‘Jewish problem’. Here are some examples:

Karl Marx, author of ‘A World Without Jews’, stated that money was the “worldly god” of the Jews and that usury is the “object of the Jew’s worship.”

In the late 19th century, the Social Democratic Federation – the forerunner of the British Socialist Party – accused the Jews of being in control of every Foreign Office in Europe.

Marxist theorist Friedrich Engels claimed that he understood French anti-Semitism, “when I see how many Jews of Polish origin and with German names intrude themselves everywhere, arrogate everything to themselves and push themselves forward to the point of creating public opinion.”

The 19th century French Socialist Charles Fourier, who coined the word ‘feminism’, wrote: “Every government having regard to good morals ought to repress the Jews.”

French socialist Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, wrote in 1847: “This race poisons everything by meddling everywhere without ever joining itself to another people […] Abolish the synagogues; do not admit them to any kind of employment, pursue finally the abolition of this cult [... ] The Jew is the enemy of the human race. One must send this race back to Asia or exterminate it.”

Pierre Leroux, who invented the term ‘socialism’ in the 19th century, opined: “When we speak of Jews, we mean the Jewish spirit, the spirit of profit, of lucre, of gain, the spirit of commerce.”

The term “anti-Semitism” was coined by radical leftist Wilhelm Marr. The word appears in his tract, ‘The Way to Victory of the Germanic Spirit over the Jewish Spirit’, published in 1880.

H.G. Wells, writing in 1940, said: “The hostile reaction to the cult of the Chosen People is spreading about the entire world to-day […] Until they [the Jews] are prepared to assimilate and abandon the Chosen People idea altogether, their troubles are bound to intensify.”

Interestingly, 35 years before the establishment of the State of Israel, Lenin expressed indignation that there were some Jews who were rejecting the class struggle in favour of a national identity. In ‘Critical Remarks on the National Question’ (1913), Lenin stated: “Whoever directly or indirectly puts forward the slogan of a Jewish ‘national culture’ is (whatever his good intentions may be) an enemy of the proletariat.”

The USSR and Zionism

There is a theory that much of today’s left-wing anti-Semitism stems from the Soviet Union. Although the Soviet Union voted in favour of partitioning ‘Palestine’ in 1947, Stalin’s paranoid anti-Semitism, which masqueraded as a campaign against the so-called ‘rootless cosmopolitan’ and the Zionists, is also well-documented. And like Hitler, Stalin was preoccupied with extracting Jewishness from society. Before he died, the Soviet leader was considering deporting two million Jews to Siberia.

In 1946, dozens of Jews were killed in the Polish city of Kielce, after Soviet-backed communist security forces spread a (false) story of Jews ritually killing children. Local people, joined by communist party workers, police and army personnel, savagely attacked the Jewish community, murdering around 40 people, including women and children.

Soviet-sponsored anti-Semitism also influenced communist attitudes towards the Holocaust. In the aftermath of the Second World War, Jewish victims in east Germany were considered less deserving than their communist brethren. The left-wing authority in east Germany was reluctant to recognise the severity of the Holocaust. Moreover, anti-capitalist sentiment was still closely tied to anti-Semitic prejudice. The debate in east Germany as to who should be granted “victim-of-fascism” status, for the most part, excluded the unique suffering of the Jewish people. In fact, there was a widespread belief that the Jews were somehow responsible for their suffering because they did not actively resist the Nazis. (This claim was not only unjust, it was also untrue.)

The Soviet Union kick-started an international campaign against Zionism when it broke diplomatic relations with Israel following the Six-Day War. Zionism was both a proxy for American imperialist interest and a modern incarnation of Nazism, according to the Soviets. Of course, this was during the time of the Cold War and the Soviets needed to win over the support of Arab regimes and reach out to socialists in the West. This was clearly evident in the Soviet’s support of the infamous ‘Zionism is Racism’ resolution by the UN in 1975 (and rescinded in 1991).

It is well documented that as well as courting Arab leaders, the USSR also armed and trained the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) during the 1970s. Hezbollah and Hamas also had links with the USSR. But according to James Simpson, writing in the Washington Examiner, Russia is still waging a covert war against the West by backing Islamic radicals. He bases this assumption on a number of claims made by Russian dissidents, the most notable being Alexander Litvinenko, who was poisoned with radioactive polonium in 2006. Litvinenko apparently asserted that Ayman Al-Zawahiri, now the current leader of al-Qaeda, was recruited by the KGB. It is unclear, however, whether Al-Zawahiri is still working for the Russians.

Even if this is the case, the Russians themselves have been victims of terrorism. The two most notable examples are the seizure in 2002 of a Moscow theatre by Chechnyan militants and the Beslan school massacre in which 1,100 people were taken hostage, the majority of whom were children. Over 380 people died in what was perhaps Russia’s equivalent of 9/11. This has not stopped the Russian leadership being on friendly terms with the equally dangerous Hamas.

Putting aside the situation in modern-day Russia, it is true to say that Soviet-sponsored anti-Semitism did not disappear with the collapse of the USSR but continues to manifest itself in left-wing grassroots organisations, the trade union movement and anti-imperialist organisations, all of which seek to justify Islamic radicalism and violent Palestinian nationalism.

The New Left: Apostles of (in)tolerance

“Recently we have witnessed the rise of the New Left which identifies Israel with the establishment, with acquisition, with smug satisfaction, with, in fact, all the basic enemies … Let there be no mistake: the New Left is the author and the progenitor of the new anti-Semitism.” (Abba Eban, Foreign Minister of Israel, writing in the American Jewish Congress Bi-Weekly in 1973.)

In the 1960s, the New Left was born. Suspicious of both Soviet authoritarianism and Western post-war establishment values, this new generation of socialists drew much of its power from the counter-culture, the campuses, black radicals such as the Black Panthers, and the anti-Semitic Nation of Islam. Although many Jews were involved in social activism and the civil rights movement, Zionism was getting an increasingly bad press, especially after 1967. Israel’s astounding victory in the Six-Day War, especially the capture of East Jerusalem, was proof that the Jewish State was a force to be reckoned with.

This was too much for the Left’s anti-war ideologues, who were becoming increasingly distrustful of Western foreign policy. But what really upset the Left was the fact that Israel was no longer prepared to “lay down and die while his door is kicked in”, as Bob Dylan put it. The New Left’s commitment to helping (or patronising) the oppressed peoples of the world had taken a massive knock. The most persecuted people in history – the Jews – had executed the most impressive military operation since World War II.

The Jewish people had broken free of their chains, effectively rejecting the victim status imposed upon them during and following the Holocaust. Now that Israel had lost its ‘moral innocence’ by carrying out a pre-emptive (but necessary) strike against the Arabs and capturing territory beyond the 1948 border, the Jewish State was now considered an imperialist oppressor like the USA. In a return to the anti-Semitic tropes of pre-war Europe, the Zionist was portrayed as the parasite, the victimiser, the monied manipulator of power.

This meant that the Left needed a ‘new Jew’ to patronise. And what better than the newly-identified Palestinian people? The invention of Palestinian nationalism was a stroke of genius. Arab anti-Semites, like the Cairo-born Yasser Arafat, were able to whip up anti-Jewish feeling by fabricating an ethnocentric national liberation movement that had never existed until the 1960s. It is important to note that the Palestinians are not an indigenous ethnic sub-group but are Arabs and are no different from the Jordanians or the Syrians. The Palestinian refugee population comprises of immigrants from neighbouring Arab countries, many of whom came to the Holy Land after the Jewish settlers arrived to drain the swamps and redeem what was largely empty land. The PLO has readily admitted that Palestinian nationalism is a faux ethnicity designed to undermine Jewish claims to the land of Israel.

The Left swallowed the invention of the Palestinian people hook, line and sinker. Over the years, the Palestinians managed to convince the Left – and the rest of the world – that they had, in fact, always existed, even before the time of Mohammed. In fact, some Palestinians claim that their people existed on the land of Israel before the Israelites. Hence, the highly dubious claim that the Palestinian Arabs are the offspring of the biblical Jebusites and Canaanites.

The red-black alliance

It is hard to establish whether the relationship between the Left and Islamic radicalism is deep and long-standing, or a temporary marriage of convenience. As things stand, the Left and Islam are both at loggerheads with the dominant culture and so for now at least seek ‘solace’ in each other. As Caldwell asserts, in his book Reflections on the Revolution in Europe, “Anti-Israel rhetoric not only unites Muslims with each other. It also unites them with an important segment of native Europeans, particularly on the political left. In an odd way, it is an avenue of integration.”

It is self-evident that alliance between the Left and Islamofascists is one of mutual convenience. The mutual desire to overthrow Western democracy and dismantle Israeli statehood has thrown the two parties together, despite the fact that both partners hold completely different views on the status of women, gays and the role religion in public life. This red-black alliance is not about creating peaceful conditions on the ground but eroding the Judeo-Christian values of the West, as well as destroying Israel’s reputation and undermining its security.

The desire to undercut American hegemony was made clear by British socialist firebrand George Galloway at the start of the Iraq War. He stated it was “vitally necessary” that the Left ally itself with radical Islam. This is possible, he said, because both “have the same enemies”. These enemies include the “Zionist”, American and British “occupation of poor countries mainly Muslim countries.” Both the Left and Islam share the same goal of opposing the “savage capitalist globalization which is intent upon homogenizing the entire world”, he added. Likewise, the far left journalist John Pilger endorsed the killing of American troops by the Iraqi resistance for the simple reason that the US was an occupier and that the Left “can’t afford to be choosy” in obtaining allies.

Lynn Stewart, who works for the left-leaning National Lawyers Guild, was more explicit about the need to cooperate with Islamists. Stewart, who was convicted of smuggling messages to Islamic radicals, said: “They [extremist Islamic movements] are basically forces of national liberation. And I think that we, as persons who are committed to the liberation of oppressed people, should fasten on the need for self-determination.”

Caldwell offers another explanation as to why the Left is pandering to Muslim anti-Semites. Ironically, it is born out of a well-meaning but misguided attempt to avoid another genocide in Europe. Caldwell believes that the need to avoid racism at all costs following the Holocaust has resulted in a contest for the prize of top victim. Sections of the Muslim community have manipulated left-wing sympathy and the political elite into believing that Muslims are the victims of Islamophobia and of Israeli and American policy.

The European political elite’s unwillingness to integrate immigrant Muslim populations, as well as its obsession with political correctness, have become “the means through which anti-Jewish fury was re-injected into European life”, state Caldwell. He continues: “Far from forgetting the lessons of the Holocaust, anti-Semites and anti-Zionists were obsessed with them. They were a rhetorical toolkit. If the Muslims were the new Jews, apparently, then the Jews were the new Nazis.”

Left-wing racism

Most people don’t associate the Left with racial discrimination, but it is clear socialists are engaging in anti-Israel discrimination and a subtle form of Third World racism, as well as outright anti-Semitism.

One of the ways the Left is racist is because it singles out Israel for differential and discriminatory treatment in the international arena, expecting it to conform to an impossibly high moral standard that would endanger Israel’s well-being. When Israel inevitably falls short of these impossible standards, it is accused of indefensible behaviour. In contrast, the Palestinians, who have the backing of around 1.6 billion Muslims and several Arab armies, are not held up to any standard at all.

No other nation in the world is singled out for criticism the way Israel is. Israel is condemned for human rights abuses even when such allegations are proved to be untrue (e.g. Jenin). It is accused of ethnic cleansing when it builds Jewish neighbourhoods in East Jerusalem. It is dubbed an apartheid state even though Israeli Arabs have full voting rights. It is accused of being an occupier even though Jews had lived on the West Bank for hundreds of years before they were evicted by the Jordanians. It is accused of doing nothing to promote peace when it is the Palestinians who have turned down the opportunity for statehood on numerous occasions (1948, 1967, 2000, 2008).

At the same time, the Left, along with the United Nations, treats the Palestinians like children (the child is the victim par excellence). Such children, of course, don’t know any better and should not be punished or chastised for their mistakes because nothing is ever their fault. This shades in to a form of neo-primitivism, where Third World populations are allowed to (literally) get away with murder. The Left, along with the mainstream media, have adopted the racist stance that when the Palestinians kill each other or kill Jews, it is a legitimate expression of a Third World ‘will to power’ and are therefore absolved of responsibility. When Israelis take military action or assassinate a terrorist leader, it is dubbed fascist or racist.

The Left does not view the Palestinian as a full human being, with all the rights and responsibilities this entails, but is regarded as some kind of special case. In general, the Left has been uninterested in the emancipation of Arabs. The gathering of Stop the War protestors in London prior to the US-led invasion of Iraq, with their “not in my name” placards, reveals much about the left-wing mentality. The opportunity to free the Iraqis from one of the worst tyrants in modern history was dismissed by the Left, who cynically used the impending war as a way of lambasting George W Bush and Tony Blair. If Blair and Bush had caved in to this pressure, Saddam would still be in power and the Iraqi people would still be oppressed and tortured. Despotic and cruel regimes in the Muslim world are of no interest to the Left, except when they are forced to defend them. (Notably, the date chosen by the Stop the War coalition for one of their demos was 28th September 2002, the second anniversary of the second intifada. This was the march where some of the protestors chanted “death to the Jews” in Arabic and where there were placards that juxtaposed the Star of David with the swastika. Coincidentally (or not) the September 2003 Stop the War demo took place on the Jewish festival, Rosh Hashanah.)

But when it comes to Palestinian freedom, the Left is positively drooling. Why? Because it fits the anti-American and anti-Israel narrative. If the Palestinians were being “oppressed” by the Egyptians or Jordanians, you wouldn’t hear squeak from the Left. (In fact, when Jordan and Egypt annexed the West Bank and Gaza respectively, neither the Left nor the Palestinian Arabs talked of ‘occupation’. That’s because the Jordanians and Egyptians are Arabs, not Jews.)

So the Left wants a free Palestine. Putting aside the fact that the Palestinians have rejected a state of their own on several occasions (twice in the past 12 years), does the Left really expect Palestine to be a place of tolerance and equality, with functioning democratic institutions and trade unions? If the Left wants these things for the Palestinians, why is it so cosy with Hamas, which considers homosexuality to be a moral sickness, when it imposes a strict Islamic dress code on women and executes those whom it considers traitors. Hamas, which has turned Gaza into a one-party state, espouses Holocaust denial on its website, diverts humanitarian aid from those who need it most and uses civilians as human shields.

Anyway, why should the Left condemn Hamas? Hamas represents exactly what the hard Left relishes. Violence! Extreme ideology! Anti-Semitism! Anti-Americanism! Of course, if this means suspending its commitment to gay rights and gender equality, then so be it. The fetishization of Arab and Muslim violence is one of the Left’s hallmarks. And it works both ways. Islam expert Olivier Roy believes that Al-Qaeda’s tactics of abducting and beheading persons via live broadcasts were inspired by extreme left-wing antics in the 1970s. Both the Left and Islamic terror groups share the same penchant for undermining stability and intimidating their enemies.

As things stand, the Left does not expect the Palestinians to do anything to resolve the crisis. Everything depends on Israel, which means Israel is always to blame. But what more can the Israelis do? The Palestinians have had several chances to build a state on the West Bank and Gaza and on each occasion they either turned it down or just simply walked away. As recently as 2008, Israeli PM Ehud Olmert offered the Palestinians almost all of the West Bank and East Jerusalem (in addition to Gaza). Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president, received the plans but never got back to Olmert. Yet it is Israel that is being subjected to boycotts and international criticism.

When the Israelis withdrew from Gaza in 2005, did the Palestinians make an effort to build a state? No, they destroyed the infrastructure left behind by the Israelis. When the Gazans send rockets into southern Israel, does the Left criticise Hamas? No, they blame Israel for the blockade, which is only in effect because of the rocket attacks. Does the Left hold the Egyptians accountable for their blockade of Gaza? No, because it doesn’t fit the anti-Israel narrative.

The Left also holds some unsavoury racist attitudes regarding white people, even if they are white themselves. The Left’s fetishization of black and/or Arab power, combined with a disgust of the West’s colonial past, has resulted in a bizarre white guilt complex. This may explain why the Left supports the nationalisms of Third World peoples – aborigines, native Indians, the Palestinians – but actively seeks to deconstruct the nationalisms of Europe, Israel and the US. (It’s an interesting turn of history that the Jews and Israelis are now considered fully paid-up members of the ‘white’ race.) This dismantling of the nation state in Europe is in large part due to lax EU immigration laws. America-bashing is also a fun sport for the Left, which considers most white protestant males to be uncultured, unintelligent, hamburg-munching reactionaries. The smearing of George W Bush, who was actually a well-read compassionate man who boosted AIDS funding in Africa and had several ‘black’ people in his government, is a case in point. Unfortunately, his folksy demeanour and cowboy swagger, and the fact that he was a Christian Republican, made him a figure of fun for self-proclaimed intellectuals and atheists around the world.

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-Richard Mather

(cross posted from Defence of the Israeli People and I recommend you READ IT ALL)

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173 Responses to “Sinister Intentions: the Left’s attitude towards ‘the Jews’”
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  1. darkwords
    1 | June 6, 2012 2:05 pm

    I know a lefty who insists the killings in Syria are the work of Israeli death squads enabled by the US CIA. he is highly intelligent. Works in a management position. Gets his inside scoop from somewhere. He is very Obama oriented.


  2. Speranza
    3 | June 6, 2012 2:26 pm

    The Left has taken over from the Right in terms of consistent Jew hatred.


  3. EBL
    4 | June 6, 2012 2:32 pm

    You would think this was some campaign in the Arab world or maybe France…

    And it worked. The Democratic “Zionist” lost. Perhaps Jewish voters in New Jersey should consider voting for a Republican for a change?


  4. 5 | June 6, 2012 2:34 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Speranza wrote:

    The Left has taken over from the Right in terms of consistent Jew hatred.

    Can you explain that?

    Update. Sepranza see my #8.


  5. 6 | June 6, 2012 2:35 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Meanwhile both sides hate Israel in Syria. That guy really is ignorant.


  6. buzzsawmonkey
    7 | June 6, 2012 2:37 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The Left has taken over from the Right in terms of consistent Jew hatred.

    The problem is that the majority of Jews are barely observant, and so what they cling to is not Judaism but to Bubbe and Zayde’s memories of antisemitic slights by people who fit the 1930s Republican isolationist stereotype. Those hatreds and some lox and bagels on Sunday mornings is their entire “Jewishness”—and it would be disrespectful to Bubbe and Zayde to walk away from that remembrance.

    That is why they stay on the Democratic plantation. That is why Reform Judaism is properly called “the Democratic Party with holidays.”


  7. 8 | June 6, 2012 2:38 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Ok I see what you mean, but there’s a difference.

    The Old Right where anti-Judaism, in other words they thought Jews where damned. The Left are anti-Semitic, they hate Jews not for their beliefs, but for their existence. So the Old Right discriminates, the Left wants genocide.

    The Leftist Jew hatred is evil and sinister.


  8. yenta-fada
    9 | June 6, 2012 2:44 pm

    Bare Naked Islam: We are funding re-incarnation of the Nazis.

    http://barenakedislam.com/2012/06/05/wild-bill-for-america-we-are-literally-funding-the-reincarnation-of-the-nazis/


  9. EBL
    10 | June 6, 2012 2:44 pm

    New Jersey Jewish Democrats should consider the GOP candidate for New Jersey’s 9th, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach


  10. 11 | June 6, 2012 2:44 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    So their being Jewish is an ethnic shield as opposed to being proud of their heritage. Is that a fair explanation?


  11. buzzsawmonkey
    12 | June 6, 2012 2:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The Old Right where anti-Judaism, in other words they thought Jews where damned. The Left are anti-Semitic, they hate Jews not for their beliefs, but for their existence. So the Old Right discriminates, the Left wants genocide.

    Not entirely. Yes, there was a religious element to right-wing antisemitism of 60, 80, 100 years ago; there was also ethnic rivalry/hatred/mistrust.

    Go back to the WWII era, and religion aside, white protestant Americans of Northern European English or Scotch-Irish ancestry tended to be Republicans. More recent immigrants, particularly Irish, Italians, and Jews, but many other ethnics who came mostly from Eastern and Southern Europe were Democrats.

    This was a country versus city thing; it was an old-resident versus new-arrival thing; it was also a Eugenics thing, since the Northern Europeans looked on the Eastern and Southern Europeans as genetically inferior. Italians, Greeks, Jews were not really considered “white” until after WWII, either, and Slavs, despite being pale of skin, blue of eye, and blond of hair, were also regarded as “suspect.”


  12. 13 | June 6, 2012 2:49 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    white protestant Americans of Northern European English or Scotch-Irish ancestry tended to be Republicans.

    This explains much of the animus towards Hispanics on the part of a segment of Republicans. Hispanics being a South European/New World Hybrid are hated like Jews and Italian who were Mediterranean/South European.

    It all makes sense now. The more things change, the more they stay the same, huh?


  13. Lily
    14 | June 6, 2012 2:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    white protestant Americans of Northern European English or Scotch-Irish ancestry tended to be Republicans.

    This explains much of the animus towards Hispanics on the part of a segment of Republicans. Hispanics being a South European/New World Hybrid are hated like Jews and Italian who were Mediterranean/South European.

    It all makes sense now. The more things change, the more they stay the same, huh?

    Yes it does…and it really is a sad and tragic thing. To think after WWII there is still Jew-hatred is beyond my understanding.


  14. buzzsawmonkey
    15 | June 6, 2012 2:54 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    So their being Jewish is an ethnic shield as opposed to being proud of their heritage. Is that a fair explanation?

    I have family who are Reform. They don’t believe in God; they don’t believe in divine revelation. They find the notion of believing in these things embarrassing and backward, even though they have no trouble believing in manmade global warming and “social justice.” They consider the Torah, prayer, Jewish holidays, etc., a quaint ethnic folk survival that “just happens to be how our people evolved.”

    It is a grotesque thing to sit in one of their services listening to the traditional prayers be butchered, and hear them praise a God in which they do not believe, in a language they do not read or understand, in praise of a Sabbath they do not observe.

    Having jettisoned all that makes “Jewish identity” actually an “identity,” having jettisoned the substance, they cling to some fragments of the ornamentation. My grandparents were not prejudiced against Gentiles because that was “part of their identity,” they held these prejudices because they had seen their relatives killed or beaten in front of them, or had been denied an apartment or a hotel room because of their ethnicity. My parents experienced some similar things; I know they can happen, but my “identity as a Jew” is not based on remembering and clinging to these family tales; it consists of observing the tenets of Judaism as best I can.

    This is not to pat myself on the back, but to try and illustrate that when you’ve dumped all but the merest vestige of the real thing, you end up clinging to such vestiges as you’ve retained—but clinging to those vestiges becomes a form of idol worship.


  15. 16 | June 6, 2012 2:56 pm

    @ Lily:

    Not really. See Jews got their homeland back. That land was viewed as Islamic. So the Muslims now where the Jews enemy. As I have written here many times, the House of Saud has influence. Through their agents they demonized Israel. The Left may hate Jews, but they hate Christians as well. Look at how the Serbs and Lebanese Maronites where demonized when they fought back. Israelis can convert to Catholic tomorrow and they will still be hated.

    The Left is allied with Islam, so they hate Israel. They also hated the Serbs in the 90′s. SO the modern hatred of Jews has to do with the Leftist-Islamic Axis.


  16. yenta-fada
    17 | June 6, 2012 2:57 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    white protestant Americans of Northern European English or Scotch-Irish ancestry tended to be Republicans.
    This explains much of the animus towards Hispanics on the part of a segment of Republicans. Hispanics being a South European/New World Hybrid are hated like Jews and Italian who were Mediterranean/South European.
    It all makes sense now. The more things change, the more they stay the same, huh?
    Yes it does…and it really is a sad and tragic thing. To think after WWII there is still Jew-hatred is beyond my understanding.

    The Jew hatred never stopped. It just went into hiding. The rise of Islamic Imperialism and the bribes of the oil sheiks made it mainstream again. Yassar Arafat applauded by the UN in the 70′s was international recognition that Jew hatred was acceptable again.


  17. buzzsawmonkey
    18 | June 6, 2012 2:58 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    The Jew hatred never stopped. It just went into hiding.

    Of course it never stopped. The slogan “Never Again” should more properly be written, “Never A Gain.”


  18. yenta-fada
    19 | June 6, 2012 3:00 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    VERY well said. Jew haters are extremely good at telling modern Jews exactly who they are. The latter just don’t think it applies to them because they don’t retain any Jewish identity.


  19. 20 | June 6, 2012 3:00 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    So its a Revenge identity. Its my Great Grandparents were screwed by Christians so now I must get even with them.


  20. 21 | June 6, 2012 3:01 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    See my #16.


  21. Speranza
    22 | June 6, 2012 3:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Ok I see what you mean, but there’s a difference.
    The Old Right where anti-Judaism, in other words they thought Jews where damned. The Left are anti-Semitic, they hate Jews not for their beliefs, but for their existence. So the Old Right discriminates, the Left wants genocide.
    The Leftist Jew hatred is evil and sinister.

    Quite correct.


  22. yenta-fada
    23 | June 6, 2012 3:03 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    The Jew hatred never stopped. It just went into hiding.
    Of course it never stopped. The slogan “Never Again” should more properly be written, “Never A Gain.”

    The Christians on this blog are more steadfast in their support of Israel and the Torah than most liberal Jews. I can’t extrapolate further, but I’m tempted to try.


  23. 24 | June 6, 2012 3:04 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Islam has always hated the Jews, even when there was no Israel. It goes back to when Mohammed was plundering caravans and raping little girls.


  24. lobo91
    25 | June 6, 2012 3:05 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    It is a grotesque thing to sit in one of their services listening to the traditional prayers be butchered, and hear them praise a God in which they do not believe, in a language they do not read or understand, in praise of a Sabbath they do not observe.

    I have the same feelings when I hear Democrats talking about the Constitution.


  25. 26 | June 6, 2012 3:05 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The Old Right’s Jew Hatred was what you and I have discussed, The Soft anti-semitism. In other words, You can’t join my country club and I think you are going to hell, but I will not kill you and even might be an acquaintance. As opposed to You are evil and need to be eliminated.


  26. Lily
    27 | June 6, 2012 3:06 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Not really. See Jews got their homeland back. That land was viewed as Islamic. So the Muslims now where the Jews enemy. As I have written here many times, the House of Saud has influence. Through their agents they demonized Israel. The Left may hate Jews, but they hate Christians as well. Look at how the Serbs and Lebanese Maronites where demonized when they fought back. Israelis can convert to Catholic tomorrow and they will still be hated.

    The Left is allied with Islam, so they hate Israel. They also hated the Serbs in the 90′s. SO the modern hatred of Jews has to do with the Leftist-Islamic Axis.

    Well I think the Jewish people getting their home-land back is a good thing. I personally just cannot wrap my mind around how leftists think.
    Sure I can understand them….but I find them clearly delusional in their thinking. Lots of hatred to spread around in their thinking.


  27. buzzsawmonkey
    28 | June 6, 2012 3:06 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    So its a Revenge identity. Its my Great Grandparents were screwed by Christians so now I must get even with them.

    It’s more like, “my great-grandparents were more Jewish than I am, and they feared and disliked Gentiles. I’m not going to exert myself to be as Jewish as they were—that’s too much trouble and I don’t believe all that stuff anyway—but I can at least hold onto their fears and dislikes and be Jewish that way.”


  28. 29 | June 6, 2012 3:06 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Without a question.


  29. RIX
    30 | June 6, 2012 3:07 pm

    @ Rodan:

    The Left is allied with Islam, so they hate Israel. They also hated the Serbs in the 90′s. SO the modern hatred of Jews has to do with the Leftist-Islamic Axis.

    To me it seems that the Western Leftist alliance with
    Islam is a shared hatred for the West & Western values.
    Liberals view the asendency of Western Culture & assume
    that it must be due to greed & treachery.
    With the exception of themselves, nobody got anything honestly.
    They make a mistake & assume that the alligator won’t eat them


  30. Lily
    31 | June 6, 2012 3:09 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    And silly me I took ‘Never Again’ seriously. But I agree it just went into hiding. It simply does not compute to me the hatred towards the Jewish people which means I will never embrace it period.


  31. buzzsawmonkey
    32 | June 6, 2012 3:10 pm

    BTW, you all should have heard the Reform “rabbi” I heard a few weeks ago, praising Obama for his stance on same-sex marriage and talking about how, in the service of the eternal truths of the Torah we have to tear up and throw away the parts that don’t suit us.


  32. 33 | June 6, 2012 3:10 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Thanks for that Buzz. I’m glad you are very honest and it really goes along way towards explaining things.


  33. coldwarrior
    34 | June 6, 2012 3:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    In other words, You can’t join my country club

    now hold on…the CC that I was a member at required one thing for membership back in the day. You HAD to be at least middle management. You had to have managers under you OR you could be an owner of a business. That place just like the place I am a member of now didn’t care about religion or ethnicity, they cared about standing in the community. I know for a fact that ACC had several jewish members as far back as the 30′s. One was the town’s pharmacist who owned several stores in the area.

    so, what you are describing may not be as wide spread back then.


  34. 35 | June 6, 2012 3:11 pm

    @ RIX:

    Jews/Israel are a huge part of Western Values. Judaism gave birth to Christianity which is the bedrock of Western Civilization.


  35. Lily
    36 | June 6, 2012 3:11 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I agree the leftist Jew hatred is indeed evil and sinister.


  36. yenta-fada
    37 | June 6, 2012 3:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    So its a Revenge identity. Its my Great Grandparents were screwed by Christians so now I must get even with them.

    Actually, I think modern liberal Jews have an extremely short memory when it comes to revenge. They just assume they are above all that and that ‘this time it is different’. They are failing to adapt to the realities around them, and that’s not a good survival mechanism. Liberal Jews think they are broad minded and worldly which, ironically, works against them. It’s not useful when millions of people want to live in the 7th century.


  37. lobo91
    38 | June 6, 2012 3:11 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    …in the service of the eternal truths of the Torah we have to tear up and throw away the parts that don’t suit us.

    Again, just like Democrats and the Constitution.


  38. 39 | June 6, 2012 3:12 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I was just using a metaphor and not Country clubs in specific. I forgot to not offend Country Clubs!

    :-)


  39. Lily
    40 | June 6, 2012 3:12 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    BTW, you all should have heard the Reform “rabbi” I heard a few weeks ago, praising Obama for his stance on same-sex marriage and talking about how, in the service of the eternal truths of the Torah we have to tear up and throw away the parts that don’t suit us.

    That truly must have been painful to hear. Good grief.


  40. 41 | June 6, 2012 3:12 pm

    @ RIX:

    They think they can use Islam to smash the State, and then they can come in and pick up the pieces. They don’t seem to realize that Islam will smash them as gleefully as it smashes America and Europe. Whether this is simple stupidity or willful blindness, I do not no. The end product is the same: a Left that is fully allied with Islam with the intent of destroying the West. I don’t see that we should differentiate between Islamists and Leftists. Kill ‘em all, in the word of a wise man…


  41. yenta-fada
    42 | June 6, 2012 3:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Jews/Israel are a huge part of Western Values. Judaism gave birth to Christianity which is the bedrock of Western Civilization.

    Secular Jews are too busy supporting the ‘underdog’ of islam to recognize and honor the foundations of their civilization.


  42. 43 | June 6, 2012 3:14 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    My opinion, the problem is not that they are Leftist Jewsm, the problsm is that they are LEFTISTS. Progressives of all ethnicities are despicackle and self loathing.

    Progressivism is the problem.


  43. yenta-fada
    44 | June 6, 2012 3:15 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    And silly me I took ‘Never Again’ seriously. But I agree it just went into hiding. It simply does not compute to me the hatred towards the Jewish people which means I will never embrace it period.

    That’s because you are a ‘mensch’. :-) {{Lily}}


  44. 45 | June 6, 2012 3:15 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Western Civilization comes from Romans(Latins), Greeks and Jews. It was nurtured by Spain, France and England and reached its height with the USA. THat’s how I view it.


  45. 46 | June 6, 2012 3:17 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    THat’s how I view it.

    That’s because you are an Imperialist running dog… :lol:


  46. coldwarrior
    47 | June 6, 2012 3:17 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    BTW, you all should have heard the Reform “rabbi” I heard a few weeks ago, praising Obama for his stance on same-sex marriage and talking about how, in the service of the eternal truths of the Torah we have to tear up and throw away the parts that don’t suit us.

    that is just just wrong and makes my orthodox brain hurt.

    with that, off to the CC!

    have a great day all!


  47. 48 | June 6, 2012 3:18 pm

    As someone who is biologically 1/4 Lebanese Maronite, I actually view Jews as my ethnic cousins. The ancient Phoenicians (Maronites) and Israelites (Jews) are related and were/are ethnic cousins. That’s why both Jews and Lebanese Christians are very similar.


  48. Lily
    49 | June 6, 2012 3:18 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    And silly me I took ‘Never Again’ seriously. But I agree it just went into hiding. It simply does not compute to me the hatred towards the Jewish people which means I will never embrace it period.

    That’s because you are a ‘mensch’. {{Lily}}

    {{Yenta}}! :)


  49. yenta-fada
    50 | June 6, 2012 3:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    My opinion, the problem is not that they are Leftist Jewsm, the problsm is that they are LEFTISTS. Progressives of all ethnicities are despicackle and self loathing.
    Progressivism is the problem.

    You are a student of history which gives you PERSPECTIVE. Even if you leave aside politics (if possible these days), a person who is ignorant of history has no context for their opinions and ideas.


  50. RIX
    51 | June 6, 2012 3:19 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Judaism, Christianity & Islam are considered Abrahamic
    Faiths.
    Yet in Islam Jews & Christians are hated.
    The Left doesn’t seem to find it disturbing that the
    basis for their hatred is right in their “Holy” Book.


  51. Lily
    52 | June 6, 2012 3:21 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Judaism, Christianity & Islam are considered Abrahamic
    Faiths.
    Yet in Islam Jews & Christians are hated.
    The Left doesn’t seem to find it disturbing that the
    basis for their hatred is right in their “Holy” Book.

    It sickens me that they include Islam as Abrahamic Faith….they should not be jumbled up with Christians and Jewish people.


  52. yenta-fada
    53 | June 6, 2012 3:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Western Civilization comes from Romans(Latins), Greeks and Jews. It was nurtured by Spain, France and England and reached its height with the USA. THat’s how I view it.

    Sadly, for now, that USA has peaked. Wealth is moving to the East, and he who has ‘the gold’ makes the rules. Democracy is out of fashion.


  53. yenta-fada
    54 | June 6, 2012 3:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    …in the service of the eternal truths of the Torah we have to tear up and throw away the parts that don’t suit us.
    Again, just like Democrats and the Constitution.

    YES! Hi, lobo. :-)


  54. buzzsawmonkey
    55 | June 6, 2012 3:24 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    When I was growing up in what is still called “the greater Chicagoland area,” the political power in our neck of the woods was centered in a certain “country” club. It never had a full member who was a Jew when I lived there, though it usually had one or two Jews admitted to a lesser level of membership. There were also restrictive covenants on the land in this area, requiring that the land/houses not be sold to Jews or blacks.

    Such expressions of prejudice are not that far in the past. Columbia University was the last Ivy League college to drop its formal quota limiting Jewish admission—in, IIRC, 1960. How long the quota continued informally is anyone’s guess; quotas, against Asian students as well as Jews, are making a quiet comeback these days.


  55. 56 | June 6, 2012 3:24 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    There is a Western nation rising in South America: Colombia. Its in the early stages, but I see them being the next major Western power in 50-100 years. I know who is running their government. I have seen the maps and they do have a plan. I kid you not on this.


  56. 57 | June 6, 2012 3:25 pm

    @ Lily:

    Islam is a mockery of Judaism/Christianity. Its actually an offshoot of Gnosticism.


  57. RIX
    58 | June 6, 2012 3:27 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    They think they can use Islam to smash the State, and then they can come in and pick up the pieces. They don’t seem to realize that Islam will smash them as gleefully as it smashes America and Europe

    The Lefties seem to think that if they help the Holy
    Warriers defeat the West that they will then like wogs
    bow to their intellect.
    Wouldn’t go that way.


  58. buzzsawmonkey
    59 | June 6, 2012 3:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Islam is a mockery of Judaism/Christianity. Its actually an offshoot of Gnosticism.

    I like to say that Islam is Judaism with all of the rachmones (mercy) removed.


  59. Speranza
    60 | June 6, 2012 3:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Islam is a mockery of Judaism/Christianity. Its actually an offshoot of Gnosticism.

    Islam is a religion of theft (from Judaism and Christianity).


  60. Speranza
    61 | June 6, 2012 3:28 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Reform Judaism is essentially now the Democratic Party platform with some holidays thrown in.


  61. 62 | June 6, 2012 3:29 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    An evil version of it.


  62. 63 | June 6, 2012 3:29 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Agreed!


  63. 64 | June 6, 2012 3:29 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    With an extra helping of brutishness. Islam is a barbaric religion.


  64. Speranza
    65 | June 6, 2012 3:30 pm

    Lily wrote:

    It sickens me that they include Islam as Abrahamic Faith….they should not be jumbled up with Christians and Jewish people.

    A Mosque near me proclaims that Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, and Jesus are all Islamic prophets.


  65. 66 | June 6, 2012 3:31 pm

    @ Speranza:

    A Mosque near me proclaims that Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, and Jesus are all Islamic prophets.

    Last time I recall they were all Israelites/Judeans/Jews. I guess my Catholic School teaching was wrong. Oh well!
    /////


  66. yenta-fada
    67 | June 6, 2012 3:32 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Islam is a mockery of Judaism/Christianity. Its actually an offshoot of Gnosticism.
    I like to say that Islam is Judaism with all of the rachmones (mercy) removed.

    Jews revere life. islam reveres death. (I do not capitalize islam)


  67. Lily
    68 | June 6, 2012 3:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Islam is a mockery of Judaism/Christianity. Its actually an offshoot of Gnosticism.

    Yeah I know it disgusts me.


  68. RIX
    69 | June 6, 2012 3:33 pm

    @ Lily:

    It sickens me that they include Islam as Abrahamic Faith….they should not be jumbled up with Christians and Jewish people.

    Yeah, I feel that way too. But the Dear Prophet cribbed the
    whole thing from Judaism & Christianity. No pork? Not very
    original. Rammadan? Rip off of Lent.
    When Mohammad made it up he was not very creative.


  69. Lily
    70 | June 6, 2012 3:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    A Mosque near me proclaims that Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, and Jesus are all Islamic prophets.

    Last time I recall they were all Israelites/Judeans/Jews. I guess my Catholic School teaching was wrong. Oh well!
    /////

    Indeed Rodan ….Islam wasn’t even around then..but they feel the need to hi-jack the Torah and the Bible to fit their own twisted views.


  70. yenta-fada
    71 | June 6, 2012 3:35 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    There is a Western nation rising in South America: Colombia. Its in the early stages, but I see them being the next major Western power in 50-100 years. I know who is running their government. I have seen the maps and they do have a plan. I kid you not on this.

    I certainly hope you are right, because most of the rest of South America seems to be run by leftists and fascists.


  71. buzzsawmonkey
    72 | June 6, 2012 3:38 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Reform Judaism is essentially now the Democratic Party platform with some holidays thrown in.

    I’ve used that line too.

    Sad thing, when I was in this Reform establishment there were several display cases containing Judaica; brass Shabbos candlesticks, Chanukah menorahs (including a pretty cool collapsible traveling menorah in sterling silver), old hand-carved wooden Purim groggers and etrog cases, some nice silver spiceboxes, Torah pointers, etc.

    All of this stuff was clearly donated to the synagogue by family members who had inherited their grandfather’s or great-grandfather’s ritual items, didn’t use them, had no clue what to do with them and were tired of giving them houseroom. This was stuff that was mostly between 150 and 250 years old, would have been brought to this country as part of an immigrant’s few treasured possessions maybe 100 or so years ago, and now it was mouldering in the display cases instead of being used and instead of serving as a family connection to those ancestors.

    I’ve seen pictures of the accumulated Judaica in Prague which the Nazis assembled from what they looted from the people they sent to the camps. The Nazis were going to build a “museum to a vanished civilization” using this wealth of ritual objects—which is still there in Prague and which is at least in part on display.

    The stuff in these cases reminded me all too much of that assemblage—and the saddest thing was that this was something the people were doing to themselves.


  72. NoThreat2U
    73 | June 6, 2012 3:40 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @55 Really? Why? I just dont get it. Is it because Jews “smell bad” or is it the whole “Jewish banker” bullshit? Why, WHY do people hate Jews? I honestly don’t understand it. Are people jealous because those who have tried to wipe you off the face of the earth failed? Maybe instead of hating on the Jews they should wonder “why did God spare so many”…and that should make them nervous about their hatred towards Jews.


  73. 74 | June 6, 2012 3:41 pm

    It is not my intention to examine the Israeli Left, which is far less anti-Zionist than its European and American counterparts.

    There are anti-Zionist Israelis? How does that work?


  74. 75 | June 6, 2012 3:42 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:

    It sickens me that they include Islam as Abrahamic Faith….they should not be jumbled up with Christians and Jewish people.

    Yeah, I feel that way too. But the Dear Prophet cribbed the
    whole thing from Judaism & Christianity. No pork? Not very
    original. Rammadan? Rip off of Lent.
    When Mohammad made it up he was not very creative.

    From what I’ve read lately, it’s debateable whether Mohammad himself was fictitious. We’re it not so tragic, it’d be hilarious.


  75. yenta-fada
    76 | June 6, 2012 3:42 pm

    “Modern” European examples of Jew hatred:

    •Speaking in an interview on the Mega TV network, Nikolaos Michaloliakos — head of the neo-Nazi “Golden Dawn” party, winner of 21 seats in the new Greek Parliament — declares: “There were no ovens. This is a lie. I believe that it is a lie,” said Michaloliakos. “There were no gas chambers either.”

    •In Germany, where a Stern magazine poll shows that 21 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds do not know that Auschwitz was a Nazi death camp and nearly a third are unaware that it is located in Poland, Nobel Literature Laureate Günter Grass — a teenage SS member who’s now reverted to form — draws applause for condemning Israel’s genocidal plot against Iran (!) while retrospectively positioning his own generation’s “willing executioners” as innocent victims of the Second World War.

    •In Hungary, Márton Gyöngyösi, Hungarian MP and leader in the far-right Jobbik party, during an interview with the London Jewish Chronicle, asked whether Jews “have the right to talk about what happened during the Second World War,” given Israel’s “Nazi system.” When asked about the 400,000 Hungarian Jews deported to Auschwitz, Gyöngyösi exploded: “Me, should I say sorry for this when 70 years later, I am still reminded on the hour, every hour about it? Let’s get over it, for Christ’s sake,” adding, “It has become a fantastic business to jiggle around with the numbers” of dead Jews. As for Holocaust survivors seeking restitution for their families’ stolen property, he retorted, “This money-searching is playing with fire in Hungary.”


  76. Lily
    77 | June 6, 2012 3:43 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @55 Really? Why? I just dont get it. Is it because Jews “smell bad” or is it the whole “Jewish banker” bullshit? Why, WHY do people hate Jews? I honestly don’t understand it. Are people jealous because those who have tried to wipe you off the face of the earth failed? Maybe instead of hating on the Jews they should wonder “why did God spare so many”…and that should make them nervous about their hatred towards Jews.

    Like Rodan said above there is something evil and sinister behind all this hatred.


  77. yenta-fada
    78 | June 6, 2012 3:45 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    It is not my intention to examine the Israeli Left, which is far less anti-Zionist than its European and American counterparts.
    There are anti-Zionist Israelis? How does that work?

    The ‘religion’ of progressive liberal Jews has taken over geniune religious affiliation and identity. This thread talks about it. So, it applies in modern Israel as it applies throughout the Jewish Diaspora.


  78. 79 | June 6, 2012 3:45 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    People always hate others. Some people hates Jews, others hate other groups. Its just life and will always be that way.


  79. 80 | June 6, 2012 3:45 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Jews revere life. islam reveres death. (I do not capitalize islam)

    Then let us oblige their reverence for Death!


  80. 81 | June 6, 2012 3:45 pm

    @ Rancher:

    There are Israeli Nazis. I am not kidding yes. By Nazi, I mean Nazis!


  81. m
    82 | June 6, 2012 3:45 pm

    @ Rancher:

    Yes there are, and not just Arabs living in Israel.


  82. 83 | June 6, 2012 3:47 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    It all goes back to Ishmael’s Jealousy over Isaac receiving the Blessing from Abraham.


  83. 84 | June 6, 2012 3:47 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    But if you’re an Israeli Jew and against Zionism shouldn’t you leave?


  84. Lily
    85 | June 6, 2012 3:47 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Really??? They really want to double-down Holocaust denial???
    Disgusting.


  85. NoThreat2U
    86 | June 6, 2012 3:47 pm

    @ Lily:
    Since the Jews truly are God’s Chosen…this all comes down to a battle of good versus evil.

    @ Rodan:
    I don’t know about that. Jew hatred is much more heinous then general hatred.


  86. NoThreat2U
    87 | June 6, 2012 3:49 pm

    @ Macker:
    Well the good book does say that Ishmael will be a donkey of a man, his hand against all others, brother against brother…..

    I enjoy pointing that out to people when they question my hatred toward islam


  87. 88 | June 6, 2012 3:50 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    •In Germany, where a Stern magazine poll shows that 21 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds do not know that Auschwitz was a Nazi death camp

    Barack Obama thinks it was a Polish Death Camp… :roll:


  88. buzzsawmonkey
    89 | June 6, 2012 3:50 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    Why, WHY do people hate Jews?

    I’m flattered that you think I can explain something that has baffled so many. But I’d suggest there are a number of reasons, some of which go back historically to the mists of time.

    For instance; the idolators of the ancient world hated Jews because they could not comprehend people who had an invisible god and did not tolerate idols. It was completely weird; even the monotheism of Akhenaten had representations of the Sun as the god they worshipped. Jews were actually considered “atheists” because they had no physical representations of their God.

    Add to that the Jewish intolerance of other people’s idolatry, in the Land of Israel; no graven images, no idols, etc. The idolators of the ancient world were tolerant in many ways; what, you’ve got a god different from ours? Shove his image up on the shelf with the rest of ‘em. The Romans absorbed hundreds of gods from the peoples they conquered. The Jews rejected this, and it was part of their problem with the Romans—because while they’d submit to the Emperor, they wouldn’t worship him as a god like everybody else.

    Then you start getting into the tenets of Judaism; restrictions on sex, restrictions on foods that other people ate; restrictions on wine. These things kept Jews apart from their neighbors, as they were supposed to, but the neighbors didn’t like it and got suspicious of the Jews.

    Then you get into the fact that the Torah ideal is an ideal of an essentially independent, middle class existence; each man beneath his own vine and fig tree. This goes against the concept of a hereditary aristocracy and a peasantry; it doesn’t support feudalism or nobility. That too is suspicious.

    Add to that that the Jews tended to be literate in an era where literacy was rare—and in a language other people could not read. To the illiterate, being able to read and write is itself a form of magic. More fear and suspicion.

    Et cetera.


  89. 90 | June 6, 2012 3:51 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    The Bible is Islamophobic.


  90. buzzsawmonkey
    91 | June 6, 2012 3:51 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    Well the good book does say that Ishmael will be a donkey of a man, his hand against all others, brother against brother…..

    And people wonder why so many Muslims are allied with the Democrats…


  91. Lily
    92 | June 6, 2012 3:53 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    •In Germany, where a Stern magazine poll shows that 21 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds do not know that Auschwitz was a Nazi death camp

    Barack Obama thinks it was a Polish Death Camp…

    And never even said he was sorry for the mistake. Disgusting.


  92. 93 | June 6, 2012 3:53 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Only Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador are run by Hard Leftists. The rest are rune by center-Left or Center-Right parties. That’s why their economies are booming. The American media is anti-Latin American and exaggerates and makes things up. Anything you read about Latin America in the Leftist Media and even the Conservative Blogosphere I would take with a grain of salt. See Buzzsaw’s #12 and you will understand where the anti-Latin views in the American left and Right comes from. Its the Old North European hatred toward Southern Europeans.

    As for Colombia the people who run it are Hardcore Nationalists/Falangists who feel its Colombia’s right to rule South America. That is their long term goal and they are honest about it. In fact, there are 3 Rightwing Parties in Colombia. The ruling National Unity Party (Nationalist/Falangists), the Liberals (Libertarians) and Conservatives (Social Conservatives). The Republican party would be considered leftists in Colombia.


  93. 94 | June 6, 2012 3:54 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I don’t wonder at all. Democrats are evil. Muslims are evil. Evil allies with evil to do evil. Seems simple to me… 8O


  94. 95 | June 6, 2012 3:54 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    A lot of jealousy also. As a cohesive society Jews have always seemed to endure if not outright prosper.


  95. Lily
    96 | June 6, 2012 3:54 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    It basically does come down to that Good vs. Evil.


  96. yenta-fada
    97 | June 6, 2012 3:56 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Really??? They really want to double-down Holocaust denial???
    Disgusting.

    You would be surprised how many Americans think the same way. I see it all the time on financial forums. And, of course, they completely don’t ‘get’ Islam.


  97. 98 | June 6, 2012 3:56 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    I don’t know about that. Jew hatred is much more heinous then general hatred.

    Its bad, but there is plenty of hatred towards other groups. I’ve experienced hatred and racism, so I know how it feels.


  98. 99 | June 6, 2012 3:58 pm

    I really wish there was as much hatred towards Islam as there is towards Jews or the Catholic Church. The world would be a better place.


  99. NoThreat2U
    100 | June 6, 2012 3:59 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Interesting summation. I just can’t believe it has been going on for so long! Wow. I fear that God would hate me if I hated on his Chosen people. I am just a branch off of the mighty tree of Judaism. I don’t think anyone can consider themselves a true Christian while hating on Jews. It just does not compute.

    @ Rancher:
    That will be their next gripe. lol

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    You may have a point there. Hmmmmm……

    @ Lily:
    That is how I see it. Truly.


  100. yenta-fada
    101 | June 6, 2012 3:59 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    A lot of jealousy also. As a cohesive society Jews have always seemed to endure if not outright prosper.

    I believe that is part of it. The Commandment against ‘coveting’ thy neighbor is there for a reason. Seeing the Jew as ‘scapegoat’ has been essential throughout the ages in order for those in power to remain in power.


  101. Lily
    102 | June 6, 2012 4:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I really wish there was as much hatred towards Islam as there is towards Jews or the Catholic Church. The world would be a better place.

    No kidding. As it has been said many times those with eyes to see will not be able to see.


  102. Lily
    103 | June 6, 2012 4:03 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Really??? They really want to double-down Holocaust denial???
    Disgusting.

    You would be surprised how many Americans think the same way. I see it all the time on financial forums. And, of course, they completely don’t ‘get’ Islam.

    I’m not surprised. I saw a video can’t remember the name about it. But they asked people if Hitler was a communist and many said YES.


  103. 104 | June 6, 2012 4:03 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    I don’t think anyone can consider themselves a true Christian while hating on Jews. It just does not compute.

    Agreed, since Christianity comes from Judaism. Its like hating yourself.


  104. yenta-fada
    105 | June 6, 2012 4:04 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Isn’t Brazil run by leftists as well? Sure, they encourage Capitalism, but in hard times I think they would nationalize a lot of industries.


  105. NoThreat2U
    106 | June 6, 2012 4:04 pm

    Who, but the muslims, would think that sex in Heaven would be a “reward”? Hell, I wouldn’t be able to have sex here on earth with a picture of my mom next to my bed, let alone have endless sex in the presence of God. lol


  106. 107 | June 6, 2012 4:05 pm

    @ Lily:

    But they asked people if Hitler was a communist and many said YES.

    Hitler was a Socialist. So that’s not a wrong answer. For many people on the Right, Nazism was race based Communism.


  107. Lily
    108 | June 6, 2012 4:06 pm

    Found it.


  108. 109 | June 6, 2012 4:06 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    They are run by a Center-Left party. As for Nationalizing industries, Bush and Obama did that here in the US. We are nobody to talk.


  109. NoThreat2U
    110 | June 6, 2012 4:06 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I see it as a tree….the tree itself is Judaism…the branch sprouting from it is Christianity. Next to the tree is a withering stump called islam…trying to destroy the beautiful tree.


  110. yenta-fada
    111 | June 6, 2012 4:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ NoThreat2U:
    I don’t think anyone can consider themselves a true Christian while hating on Jews. It just does not compute.
    Agreed, since Christianity comes from Judaism. Its like hating yourself.

    There might be ‘self-hating’ Christians on the left, no? Western Christians don’t say BOO when Muslims are killing Christians in the Middle East and Africa. Maybe it’s not self-hatred, but it is a typical leftist stance.


  111. taxfreekiller
    112 | June 6, 2012 4:08 pm

    Sinister intentions proven up by the actions of the U.S. Commie Democrat Party.

    By their deeds know them.


  112. buzzsawmonkey
    113 | June 6, 2012 4:10 pm

    I believe that a lot of the Holocaust denial in Europe has several sources:

    1) It is very difficult to forgive someone you have maltreated for your own behavior towards them. Most of the nations of Eastern Europe, even though they too suffered terribly under the Nazis, were complicit with the Final Solution. To some extent they had little choice, but as Goldhagen documented in “Hitler’s Willing Executioners,” there were plenty of people in Eastern Europe who volunteered to help the Nazis kill off Jews.

    2) Many of the nations of Europe have large and growing Muslim populations. Holocaust denial is partly a matter of trying to placate these populations, and partly an expression of displaced anger at the fact that the Jews in Israel are standing up against Muslims while the Europeans are not.

    3) Many of the leftists in Europe, like our own leftists, have bought into the idea that Muslims would be no problem if Israel were to just go away.

    4) Nationalism has been taking a beating in Europe since WWII. For Israel to stand up for itself as a nation—and, worse, a nation with an ethnic core—makes the Europeans wonder, “why can’t we do that—and how come they get to do it?”

    Denying that the Holocaust occurred undercuts Israel’s legitimacy for those who do not realize that the groundwork for the State of Israel began to be laid 60 years before the Final Solution. This gives the Europeans a way to get over their own feelings of guilt for the Holocaust, and lets their envy of Israel have free rein.


  113. yenta-fada
    114 | June 6, 2012 4:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    They are run by a Center-Left party. As for Nationalizing industries, Bush and Obama did that here in the US. We are nobody to talk.

    Oh, I agree. That’s why Obozo and the other Agenda 21 puppets want to turn everything over to the UN. Tranzi…etc. :-)


  114. 115 | June 6, 2012 4:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ NoThreat2U:

    I don’t think anyone can consider themselves a true Christian while hating on Jews. It just does not compute.

    Agreed, since Christianity comes from Judaism. Its like hating yourself.

    I find that a terrible concept as well. I feel more comfortable hearing Jews pray in Hebrew (even though I don’t understand what they’re saying) than I do with Mohammedans praying to Iblis in English!


  115. m
    116 | June 6, 2012 4:10 pm

    @ Rodan:

    See Buzzsaw’s #12 and you will understand where the anti-Latin views in the American left and Right comes from. Its the Old North European hatred toward Southern Europeans.

    Sorry, I just don’t believe that many people with anti-Latin views even REALIZE there is a difference in northern and southern Europe or that anyone in South America has any connection to anything European. I think most of the people that are bigots are just bigots because they are “different”- they don’t know the history.at.all.


  116. taxfreekiller
    117 | June 6, 2012 4:11 pm

    July 30, 2012 ,, Texans vote,,,, for Ted Cruz…

    http://www.tedcruz.org

    $ and or help on phones and getting out the vote…


  117. yenta-fada
    118 | June 6, 2012 4:12 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    Who, but the muslims, would think that sex in Heaven would be a “reward”? Hell, I wouldn’t be able to have sex here on earth with a picture of my mom next to my bed, let alone have endless sex in the presence of God. lol

    lol lol. You can always turn the pic of your mom downside up.


  118. NoThreat2U
    119 | June 6, 2012 4:13 pm

    @ Macker:
    At least we can be sure that when a Jew is praying his next move isn’t setting off a bomb.


  119. 120 | June 6, 2012 4:14 pm

    @ m:

    See Buzzsaw’s #12.


  120. 121 | June 6, 2012 4:15 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:

    ANy new polls on that race? I read the Bush machine and Rove have begun to smear Cruz.


  121. NoThreat2U
    122 | June 6, 2012 4:15 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Really…just think about it. lol lol lol Heaven isn’t meant for booty and booze parties. lol lol Twisted bastards.


  122. RIX
    123 | June 6, 2012 4:15 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    From what I’ve read lately, it’s debateable whether Mohammad himself was fictitious. We’re it not so tragic, it’d be hilarious.

    Yeah, I have read some of that. But if I was putting
    together a religion I don’t think that I would make up
    a founder that is an illiterate, pedophile, psycho.


  123. Guggi
    124 | June 6, 2012 4:16 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    In Hungary, Márton Gyöngyösi, Hungarian MP and leader in the far-right Jobbik party, during an interview with the London Jewish Chronicle, asked whether Jews “have the right to talk about what happened during the Second World War,” given Israel’s “Nazi system.” When asked about the 400,000 Hungarian Jews deported to Auschwitz, Gyöngyösi exploded: “Me, should I say sorry for this when 70 years later, I am still reminded on the hour, every hour about it? Let’s get over it, for Christ’s sake,” adding, “It has become a fantastic business to jiggle around with the numbers” of dead Jews. As for Holocaust survivors seeking restitution for their families’ stolen property, he retorted, “This money-searching is playing with fire in Hungary.”

    Hungary Rehabilitates Far-Right Figures

    Hungary’s right-wing extremists are becoming increasingly self-confident. They are now openly paying tribute to Miklós Horthy, Hungary’s anti-Semitic regent during the interwar period, erecting a statue and renaming a town square in his honor. Even some members of Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s Fidesz party support the new trend.


  124. NoThreat2U
    125 | June 6, 2012 4:18 pm

    @ RIX:
    But illiterate pedophilic psychos would.


  125. 126 | June 6, 2012 4:20 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Speaking in an interview on the Mega TV network, Nikolaos Michaloliakos — head of the neo-Nazi “Golden Dawn” party, winner of 21 seats in the new Greek Parliament — declares: “There were no ovens. This is a lie. I believe that it is a lie,” said Michaloliakos. “There were no gas chambers either.”

    The Communists in Greece are anti-Semitic.


  126. m
    127 | June 6, 2012 4:21 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I did. He’s talking WWII era.

    I don’t believe there are as many people that are students of history than you think there are right now. Just because you (and Buzz and others) know the history does not mean average joe does.

    I think your average bigot today is just a bigot.


  127. yenta-fada
    128 | June 6, 2012 4:22 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Oy Veh! The terrible truth underlying the stoking of ancient hatreds is that it is ultimately destructive to the entire society. When you unleash these dark and irrational forces, the whole rule of law and process of reason fly out the window. Everyone gets swept up in the orgy of hate, and predatory monsters grab the power.


  128. NoThreat2U
    129 | June 6, 2012 4:23 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Greece needs to check themselves before they wreck themselves. Silly bastards lose wars because they can’t leave their brother’s behind ;)

    Do you know why the new Greek Navy has glass bottomed boats? To see the old Greek Navy. har har har


  129. Lily
    130 | June 6, 2012 4:24 pm

    m wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    I did. He’s talking WWII era.

    I don’t believe there are as many people that are students of history than you think there are right now. Just because you (and Buzz and others) know the history does not mean average joe does.

    I think your average bigot today is just a bigot.

    I agree they don’t know the history..they are bigots simply because they think they are superior to another race. Period.


  130. m
    131 | June 6, 2012 4:27 pm

    @ Lily:

    That’s what I think. I mean come on… the yahoos he’s talking about don’t even know their own family history -- much less carry a grudge across the centuries.

    (not that some haven’t, i just don’t agree that most bigots have)


  131. RIX
    132 | June 6, 2012 4:27 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ RIX:
    But illiterate pedophilic psychos would.

    Seems to be a lot of them from those Sand Dune Countries.


  132. buzzsawmonkey
    133 | June 6, 2012 4:29 pm

    m wrote:

    I think your average bigot today is just a bigot.

    Up to a point—but understand that Jews are not the only people who inherit bigotries.

    Upthread I discussed how the nonobservant Jews of today, having jettisoned actual observance, retain the prejudices or fears or hatreds of their parents or grandparents or great-grandparents as their ever-more-tenuous connection to their past and heritage.

    They are not the only people for whom this is true. The same can be said for people who remember Grandma’s sauerkraut with caraway seeds and those great family picnics back when she was still alive, or something of the sort.

    Prejudices get handed down along with the old photos, the gold watch that doesn’t work anymore, and a family Bible with a fading family tree scrawled on the endpapers—no matter what your ethnicity. I knew a Japanese-American kid in high school who used to say, “My Dad says, never trust a Korean.” There were almost no (if any) Koreans in the Chicago suburbs in those days (hell, having a classmate of Japanese descent was exotic in itself)—but that was the first mention of Koreans I’d ever heard. Wherever that prejudice came from in this particular instance (the Japanese and Koreans have been going at for hundreds of years), I’m sure that kid kept some vestige of his inherited prejudice.


  133. NoThreat2U
    134 | June 6, 2012 4:29 pm

    @ RIX:
    Must be the hot sun frying their brains.


  134. RIX
    135 | June 6, 2012 4:29 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:
    Why does the French Army have wrinkle free battle
    fatigues?
    So they will look great raising their arms to surrender!


  135. buzzsawmonkey
    136 | June 6, 2012 4:29 pm

    RIX wrote:

    those Sand Dune Countries.

    Sand-Dune-istas?


  136. RIX
    137 | June 6, 2012 4:31 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Must be the hot sun frying their brains.

    That and finding out that Achmed got the hot goat, not
    you.


  137. 138 | June 6, 2012 4:32 pm

    @ m:

    They are taught to hate certain groups because those groups are viewed as historical enemies. Its passed down in families and enforced in the media.


  138. m
    139 | June 6, 2012 4:32 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Sorry, I didn’t mean Jewish bigotry (that just sounds weird to me, seeing as how they are the brunt of a lot of it LOL), but the yahoo bigotry against Latins that Rodan was talking about.


  139. 140 | June 6, 2012 4:33 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yup, See my #138. Its passed down.


  140. yenta-fada
    141 | June 6, 2012 4:34 pm

    The Washington Post’s Style Invitational also asked readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition. Here are this year’s winners:
    1. Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future.

    2. Foreploy (v): Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of getting laid.

    3. Cashtration (n.): The act of buying a house, which renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period.

    4. Giraffiti (n): Vandalism spray-painted very, very high.

    5. Sarchasm (n): The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn’t get it.

    6. Inoculatte (v): To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.

    7. Hipatitis (n): Terminal coolness.

    8. Osteopornosis (n): A degenerate disease. (This one got extra credit.)

    9. Karmageddon (n): its like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it’s, like, a serious bummer.

    10. Decafalon (n.): The grueling event of getting through the day consuming only things that are good for you.


  141. RIX
    142 | June 6, 2012 4:35 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    those Sand Dune Countries.

    Sand-Dune-istas?

    Dunehadists!


  142. NoThreat2U
    143 | June 6, 2012 4:35 pm

    @ RIX:
    Makes sense to me. lol


  143. m
    144 | June 6, 2012 4:35 pm

    @ Rodan:

    You give them too much credit. I’m sorry I just can’t imagine asking Joe Bigot why he hates Hispanics and Joe Bigot going on about hating southern Europeans.

    More likely a Hispanic man/woman took his woman/man. (or job… or whatever perceived slight Joe Bigot uses as an excuse)


  144. yenta-fada
    145 | June 6, 2012 4:36 pm

    RIX wrote:

    NoThreat2U wrote:
    @ RIX:
    Must be the hot sun frying their brains.
    That and finding out that Achmed got the hot goat, not
    you.

    lol. Never gets old, like camel beauty pageants. lol


  145. yenta-fada
    146 | June 6, 2012 4:37 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    those Sand Dune Countries.
    Sand-Dune-istas?

    Me like pun.


  146. NoThreat2U
    147 | June 6, 2012 4:37 pm

    @ RIX:
    Well hell, that’s enough to piss off any good jihadi!

    @ yenta-fada:
    Very nice! lol lol


  147. 148 | June 6, 2012 4:38 pm

    @ m:

    In Buzz’s it in his #12. Those same groups hated Jews, Slavs and Italians. Now Latins and Russians are the ones hated.

    Funny, why don’t they hate Islam? I know the answer but its too long to explain.


  148. m
    149 | June 6, 2012 4:39 pm

    @ Rodan:

    See Lily’s 130. Some (I would say most) people NOWADAYS just think they are better and they don’t need a “historical beef”.


  149. 150 | June 6, 2012 4:40 pm

    @ m:

    Joe Bigot would rant on Jews and Italians as well, but say how nice Hamid is.


  150. m
    151 | June 6, 2012 4:41 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Name one “people” who aren’t hated by someone else?

    Don’t say islam because even though it isn’t noticable in society -- lots of people hate islam.


  151. NoThreat2U
    152 | June 6, 2012 4:43 pm

    @ Rodan:
    My hatred of islam is justified. The muslims tried more than a dozen times to blow my brother up and they also blew a whole through his leg. He was only there to help yet they did that. They can all FOAD for all I care. Although he did say at times the men would invite them into their houses for some Johnny Walker. lol


  152. 153 | June 6, 2012 4:44 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Found it.

    Wow, that was fantastic! I literally couldn’t take my eyes off it, thanks so much for posting it, Lily.


  153. 154 | June 6, 2012 4:45 pm

    m wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Name one “people” who aren’t hated by someone else?
    Don’t say islam because even though it isn’t noticable in society – lots of people hate islam.

    Its not acceptable to hate Muslims, buts its acceptable to hate other groups.


  154. Lily
    155 | June 6, 2012 4:49 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Your welcome…it made an impression on me as well when I first saw it.


  155. NoThreat2U
    156 | June 6, 2012 4:49 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I find muslim hatred totally acceptable.


  156. 157 | June 6, 2012 4:50 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    I was raised to hate Islam. I wish more Americans were.


  157. 158 | June 6, 2012 4:52 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    Same here and I think it should be encouraged.


  158. NoThreat2U
    159 | June 6, 2012 4:54 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I encourage it every chance I get. All I need to know about islam I learned on 9/11. Events after that just reinforced my beliefs.


  159. yenta-fada
    160 | June 6, 2012 4:54 pm

    THANK YOU to Richard for the great ‘guest’ post! Please stop by more often.


  160. Guggi
    161 | June 6, 2012 4:54 pm

    hehehe :-)

    AFL-CIO tries to downplay Wisconsin recall

    The AFL-CIO was heavily involved in the recall campaign against Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R). But on the day after Walker soundly defeated Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett (D), the union’s president downplayed the results and distanced the national organization from the recall effort.

    “We didn’t decide on this recall,” Richard Trumka told reporters on a conference call this afternoon. “It was the workers in Wisconsin and the voters in Wisconsin who did.”

    (…)


  161. RIX
    162 | June 6, 2012 4:55 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    lol. Never gets old, like camel beauty pageants. lol

    Think about that, they can tell which one the pretty
    camel is!


  162. 163 | June 6, 2012 4:56 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Yes it’s a good post and although its specific towards Jews, I feel it can apply to any other group that is despised by the Islamic-Leftist Axis. Its the most powerful alliance in the world.


  163. 164 | June 6, 2012 4:57 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Did Charles write that?

    :lol:


  164. RIX
    165 | June 6, 2012 4:58 pm

    @ Guggi:
    That’s like saying “Seriously Mrs. Lincoln, I never
    reccomended that you and your husband go to see that
    play. You don’t think that it was me, do you?”


  165. Guggi
    166 | June 6, 2012 4:59 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Richard Trumka

    Seems he’s the ghost-wirter for Richard Trumka :-P


  166. 167 | June 6, 2012 5:01 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    hehehe

    AFL-CIO tries to downplay Wisconsin recall

    The AFL-CIO was heavily involved in the recall campaign against Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R). But on the day after Walker soundly defeated Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett (D), the union’s president downplayed the results and distanced the national organization from the recall effort.

    “We didn’t decide on this recall,” Richard Trumka told reporters on a conference call this afternoon. “It was the workers in Wisconsin and the voters in Wisconsin who did.”

    (…)

    Typical; they don’t even have enough class to admit they got an ass whupping. Then again, class has never been their strong suit.


  167. Guggi
    168 | June 6, 2012 5:04 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    That’s like saying “Seriously Mrs. Lincoln, I never
    reccomended that you and your husband go to see that
    play. You don’t think that it was me, do you?”

    T hey are in deep troubles, very deep troubles.


  168. 169 | June 6, 2012 5:10 pm

    In 2012, the pendulum is our friend….but let’s not get cocky.


  169. heysoos
    170 | June 6, 2012 5:12 pm

    the reason people hate Jews is jealousy mixed together with an inferiority complex


  170. 171 | June 6, 2012 5:18 pm

    New Thread.


  171. darkwords
    172 | June 6, 2012 7:05 pm

    @ 16 Rodan: There is still residual anti semitism being educated in the left and the black communities. Actively. While I was in business I had members of both groups call me a “dirty jew bastard”. For insisting they deal with me honestly, when i caught them not doing so. In modern society, I don’t think it is the family tradition or the neighborhood traditions passing this type of ignorance and hatred on. It’s places like KOS, LGF, Eric Holder and Obama both ring to me as this type of person. They are educated and smart.


  172. waldensianspirit
    173 | June 6, 2012 8:43 pm

    Ishmael was the second Jewish man. Right after Abraham. Ishmael had nothing to do with islam or it’s inception. It[the abomination that causes desolation] began many, many centuries after his time. It is impossible for the abomination that causes desolation to pre-exist Christ. The Foundation Stone of islam is that Jesus was never crucified.


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