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Restraint and the legacy of George W. Bush

by Speranza ( 106 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Election 2008, Elections 2012, George W. Bush at June 19th, 2012 - 8:00 am

Despite calls for him and his father to speak out against unfair attacks, I think it is a bit too late for that. The time to have done so was over three years ago. However the lesson to be learned is that there is a time for self restraint and a time to speak out. If  W. would speak out now, all that would do would be to shift the focus from Obama onto him (which is what the media and Obama want to do). Bush’s refusal to speak out disheartened those of us who voted for him and allowed Obama and the left to control the narrative of the Bush years – as a result 68% of the public blames Bush more than they do  Obama for the economic mess we are in.

by Steve McCann

Excessive civility in the face of a national crisis is tantamount to indifference.  The Bush family dynasty exemplifies the patrician attitude of holding oneself above the fray after fulfilling one’s pre-ordained obligation to society.  This may have been fine in the halcyon days of the past, when America’s future seemed limitless and those answering to the call of duty were for the most part honorable people.  With Barack Obama at the helm, that is no longer the case.

Never in American history has the nation been saddled with such an unethical and ideologically rigid administration, whose ultimate goal is to tear apart the fabric of society and to recast the United States into the socialist model originally formulated in Italy of the 1920s and ’30s.

The guiding principle of this system is socialism with a capitalistic veneer — thus leaving an appearance of a free market while centralized government agencies plan all economic and societal activity as well as control all aspects of manufacturing, commerce, banking, health care, energy, and agriculture.  This same statist government, in order to maintain high employment levels and public support of those in power, initiates massive public-works programs and spending and makes certain that a vast majority of the citizenry is dependent on government largess, all financed by steep taxes, excessive borrowing, and fiat money-creation.

[.......]

If re-elected, Barack Obama will have nearly free rein to complete this transformation, as the Congress and the Courts will be powerless to stop him.  Whether by granting de facto legal status to illegal aliens or through the EPA enacting a green energy agenda not approved by Congress, he has shown his willingness to use previously granted or usurped executive power to force his agenda on the American people.

By the end of his second term, the United States will record a national debt in excess of $21 trillion ($10.6 trillion at the end of 2008) and unfunded liabilities approaching $200 trillion.  Interest payments alone will absorb nearly 35% of all income tax revenues.  The economy will be in tatters, as higher taxes and a further avalanche of regulations and mandates will strangle business and wealth formation.  A societal upheaval will be inevitable as the Obama administration will have succeeded in rupturing racial, ethnic and economic fault lines.  The American standard of living will be in a free-fall, and the prospect of turning around a nation that will have become a second-rate military and economic power will be exceedingly dim.

Yet many in the American patrician class refuse to acknowledge who Barack Obama is, what damage he has wrought, and the dire future the nation faces if he is re-elected.  Their general consensus is that he is a likeable fellow in over his head, with the best of intentions, albeit misguided.  Therefore, excessive criticism or “incivility” is uncalled for when discussing the faults and foibles of Barack Obama.  It is apparently an ironclad tenet that the intentions of anyone who becomes the president of the United States are above reproach unless he or she is a conservative Republican or proven corrupt in a formal impeachment process.

The leading proponent of this approach is the Bush family.  It is admirable that George H.W. Bush and his son George W. Bush have proclaimed their respect for the office of president of the United States and the tradition of not publically criticizing any current occupant.  Yet Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton did not and do not hesitate to inject public criticism of any Republican incumbent or past president.  Further, the former governor of Florida, Jeb Bush, while muted in his criticism of Obama, is nonetheless willing to castigate conservative Republicans for being, in his mind, overly divisive and unwilling to compromise with someone bent on transforming the nation.

The current occupant of the White House, as he is incapable of assuming any responsibility, on a near-daily basis lays all the nation’s current economic problems at the feet of his predecessor.  That tactic is also reprised by his sycophants in the media and the useful idiots in the Democratic Party.  This drumbeat has been so constant and unrelenting that it has through the force of sheer repetition been permanently imbedded in the nation’s psyche so that three and a half years into Obama’s term, 68% of Americans blame Bush more than Obama for the state of the economy.

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Combined with the now-infamous decision made during his two terms in office to not publicly defend himself or forcefully answer his demagogic critics, George W. Bush has cast himself into the role of a convenient scapegoat.   His many substantive accomplishments during those years pale in the public mind, in comparison to the fabricated failures that have been heaped upon his administration.  As with all past presidents, there were mistakes made during his term in office; however, they are insignificant next to the deliberately egregious tactics and errors of the Obama administration.

In another time and place,  it would suffice to say that history will, in the end, vindicate the Bush presidency.  But that assumes that the United States would still be the pre-eminent economic and military power on the planet capable of consistently improving the standard of living for its people.  If not, then those who will write the history of America will attach much of the blame to George W. Bush not only for the ascendancy of Barack Obama, but also for his re-election, and to the patrician ruling class for their unwillingness to forcefully rebut Obama’s lies and demagoguery, and inability to point out his lack of character and integrity.

The Bush family’s patriotism and love of country cannot be questioned.   However, duty calls, and they can no longer stand by and allow Barack Obama to win re-election by convincing the citizenry that he bears no responsibility for the crisis facing the country.   It is time for George W. Bush to put aside some of that civility and vigorously defend his record while pointing out the dire future facing the American people.

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  1. theoutsider
    1 | June 19, 2012 8:27 am

    American Thinker? Seriously? Speranza, you can do a lot better than that if you actually try. There is some actual SERIOUS criticism to be made about the president. Why do you reference an article from a lunatic fringe nut-job site?


  2. waldensianspirit
    2 | June 19, 2012 8:42 am

    Bush can certainly help. He’d have to admit mistakes. Mistakes he could tie to Obama like “suspending free market to save free market” which Obama did and continues to do whole sale although he doesn’t want to “save” it. Highlight their similarities and point out that since Obama is in the way for a Democrat Clinton, the most Clintonesque possibility is Romney


  3. 3 | June 19, 2012 9:07 am

    @ waldensianspirit:
    I agree with Speranza here. Bush has passed the time when he could have had a positive impact. Now it is better that he remain quiet and let the focus remain on Obama. Anything Bush says now would just be a distraction.


  4. waldensianspirit
    4 | June 19, 2012 9:27 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    It is never past time while breathing. The strategy and truth though aren’t convenient for him but it would be good for the country.

    Definitely not saying he should stump for Romney directly. Better to point out Obama is Bush cubed while Romney is coming through the Republican candidacy because we have a two party system and that was the only opening. And that Romney is similar to Clinton( what’s in people’s minds; not the hornery Clinton) in regard to economy and good years returning to the US


  5. mawskrat
    5 | June 19, 2012 9:30 am

    Good Mornin All…and Happy Juneteenth!!


  6. citizen_q
    6 | June 19, 2012 9:31 am

    O/T Any news when the ruling on embalm-a-care will be made?


  7. 7 | June 19, 2012 9:33 am

    @ theoutsider:

    You could do better as well. Like disputing something that is said maybe?

    Or is that too much to ask? Slamming the source is much easier, I know.


  8. 8 | June 19, 2012 9:33 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    It’s better if Bush just goes away. This has to be about Romney vs. Obama.


  9. 9 | June 19, 2012 9:35 am

    @ Kafir:

    Like a typical Lefty all they know how to do is smear their opponents. They can’t debate the merits.


  10. 10 | June 19, 2012 9:36 am

    @ Rodan:

    They can’t debate the merits.

    Evidently!


  11. 11 | June 19, 2012 9:40 am

    @ citizen_q:
    Between now and the 25th of this month is one rumour I heard.


  12. 12 | June 19, 2012 9:40 am

    @ Rodan:

    But what’s really weird is Speranza is actually disagreeing with the article, LOL! So I’m not sure of the outsider’s point. That’s why I was trying to get the gripes out.


  13. Guggi
    13 | June 19, 2012 9:41 am

    Because under Obama we European love the U.S.A. so much, don’t we ? /////////

    G20 summit: Barroso blames eurozone crisis on US banks

    Everything has changed under Obama. Not.


  14. citizen_q
    14 | June 19, 2012 9:44 am

    @ PaladinPhil:
    I’m on pins and needles over here!


  15. 15 | June 19, 2012 9:46 am

    @ Guggi:

    How dare you Europeans question the wisdom of our divine Pharaoh. You are all heretics!
    /////


  16. 16 | June 19, 2012 9:48 am

    @ Kafir:

    Yeah, that’s what is weird. I guess he didn’t read Speranza’s point.


  17. mawskrat
    17 | June 19, 2012 9:51 am

    OT……

    On June 19, 1865, Major General Gordon Granger stood on the balcony of Ashton Villa in Galveston, Texas, and read a special order from President Abraham Lincoln:
    The people of Texas are informed that in accordance with a proclamation from the Executive of the United States all slaves are free. This involves an absolute equality of rights and rights of property between former masters and slaves, and the connection heretofore existing between them becomes that between employer and free laborer. The freedmen are advised to remain at their present homes and work for wages. They are informed that they will not be allowed to collect at military posts, and they will not be supported in idleness, either there or elsewhere

    well what ever happened to that idea?


  18. taxfreekiller
    18 | June 19, 2012 9:57 am

    Well the political correct FBI has called the “work place” bombing over in Plano Tx. out as “possible terrorism” and the guy as “asian”.

    How the hell did a once great country fall so far into shit wipe territory.

    “Ya I know commie known nothing Democrats and Rats”.

    Open borders to terrorist, ms13 drug dealers, and wild voter fraud.

    Without borders and courage there is no possibility for U.S. to remain free.


  19. 19 | June 19, 2012 9:59 am

    @ taxfreekiller:

    Was it Michael Savage who coined the phrase “Borders, Language, Culture”? Обама is doing his damnedest to destroy all three.


  20. taxfreekiller
    20 | June 19, 2012 10:01 am

    “Why am I getting my “”spidie”"” leg tingles.” cj


  21. Guggi
    21 | June 19, 2012 10:04 am

    OT, but does anyone have a link to the “piss Mary” scandal ?


  22. taxfreekiller
    22 | June 19, 2012 10:06 am

    Think of the Democrat Party as off earth “The Alien” and “The Democrat Underground”, Bill Ayers the first generation of spawn and NAACP, LaRaza, Occupy U.S. as the nuke’d gene code second generation of death to freedom spiders.


  23. taxfreekiller
    23 | June 19, 2012 10:13 am

    The Bush family “ant’” Texans, never were never will be.
    East coast elite RINO’s just to get elected an into power.

    The conservatives lost the Republican Party to they and their kind and it is they and their type we fight for control of the Republican Party now. This struggle is just as important as the struggle aginst the commie Democrats. As now one thing of importance have the commie Democrats got done without RINO votes in the house and senate.

    like that sorry to say


  24. taxfreekiller
    24 | June 19, 2012 10:14 am

    As “not” one thing,,,,@ taxfreekiller:


  25. Guggi
    25 | June 19, 2012 10:14 am

    Guggi wrote:

    OT, but does anyone have a link to the “piss Mary” scandal ?

    Thanks, found it.


  26. 26 | June 19, 2012 10:14 am

    Isn’t this obsession with the previous President dangerously unprecedented? I can’t think of any previous administration that’s been so maligned from both sides. I say “dangerous” because demonizing the previous Executive seems exceedingly unhealthy for the Republic.

    I believe Bush trusted “history” to judge him. Little did he know that “history” would be written by people on the Left and the Right who would see him as a useful scapegoat on which to heap the country’s ills. After the 2006 mid-term debacle, Republicans dropped Bush like bad habit and told him to not let the door hit him in the ass on the way out. He became the Democrats’ ultimate fascist and the Republicans’ second coming of LBJ -- the worst of all possible worlds.

    Bush shouldn’t have to “defend himself”; that should come from others but I’ve seen very few people doing that. I think it’s in both side’s best interests to accept no responsibility for anything post 1/21/01. Republicans are harder on their own than are their opponents and that’s just an unfortunate rule of the game. There ain’t no crying in baseball and there surely ain’t no crying in politics -- both Bushes’ refusal to “defend” is testament to their acceptance of that basic rule. Think of them what you will, neither of them will ever step up in their own defense. It’s just the way they are.


  27. Speranza
    27 | June 19, 2012 10:19 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    American Thinker? Seriously? Speranza, you can do a lot better than that if you actually try. There is some actual SERIOUS criticism to be made about the president. Why do you reference an article from a lunatic fringe nut-job site?

    **** ***, and I mean that disrespectfully. Next time I will scour The Nation or any other Stalinist rag you recommend.


  28. Speranza
    28 | June 19, 2012 10:20 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I agree with Speranza here. Bush has passed the time when he could have had a positive impact.

    Passed his prime and passed his time.


  29. 29 | June 19, 2012 10:20 am

    !


  30. gulfloafer
    30 | June 19, 2012 10:22 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    American Thinker? Seriously? Speranza, you can do a lot better than that if you actually try. There is some actual SERIOUS criticism to be made about the president. Why do you reference an article from a lunatic fringe nut-job site?

    “Lunatic fringe nut-job site”. Wait, what? Where did that come from?


  31. Speranza
    31 | June 19, 2012 10:22 am

    After the 2006 mid-term debacle, Republicans dropped Bush like bad habit and told him to not let the door hit him in the ass on the way out.

    There was a good reason for that.


  32. Speranza
    32 | June 19, 2012 10:23 am

    gulfloafer wrote:

    theoutsider wrote:
    American Thinker? Seriously? Speranza, you can do a lot better than that if you actually try. There is some actual SERIOUS criticism to be made about the president. Why do you reference an article from a lunatic fringe nut-job site?

    “Lunatic fringe nut-job site”. Wait, what? Where did that come from?

    From an Obama ******* licker.


  33. Speranza
    33 | June 19, 2012 10:26 am

    Kafir wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    But what’s really weird is Speranza is actually disagreeing with the article, LOL! So I’m not sure of the outsider’s point. That’s why I was trying to get the gripes out.

    thoutsider is just a leftwing troll. I have no patience or time to waste with people like that. He probably thinks that Keith Olbermann is another Edward R. Murrow and that Thomas Friedman is a serious thinker.


  34. 34 | June 19, 2012 10:28 am

    @ taxfreekiller:

    Our politicians have been bought out by Islamic money. That’s your answer. Read the book, the Arab lobby. It will make sense.


  35. 35 | June 19, 2012 10:31 am

    @ gulfloafer:

    “Lunatic fringe nut-job site”. Wait, what? Where did that come from?

    Little Green Footballs!


  36. RIX
    36 | June 19, 2012 10:36 am

    I don not think that W was a great president, but he was not
    a bad one. Nobody had to teach him how to be a good guy either.
    Jeb Bush? A RINO cretin, he seems to have no criticism of BHO
    who dailyy maligns brother.
    No, to Jeb the problem is those Conservatives who don’t lay down
    for Obama. He seems to say something stupid every other day.


  37. waldensianspirit
    37 | June 19, 2012 10:40 am

    @ RIX:
    Jeb is another Meghan McCain


  38. 38 | June 19, 2012 10:42 am

    Why do these women spend so much time thinking about their vaginas? I think it’s a job that no self-respecting man will do!


  39. RIX
    39 | June 19, 2012 10:45 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Jeb is another Meghan McCain

    That’s a really good analogy. Both insist that they
    are Republicans, but you know that they are not, not
    really.


  40. 40 | June 19, 2012 10:46 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Yup, no one wants to go near them.


  41. 41 | June 19, 2012 10:47 am

    @ Speranza:

    thoutsider is just a leftwing troll. I have no patience or time to waste with people like that. He probably thinks that Keith Olbermann is another Edward R. Murrow and that Thomas Friedman is a serious thinker

    .

    Or that Charles Johnson influences events!


  42. citizen_q
    42 | June 19, 2012 10:49 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Democratic Lawmaker to Do ‘Vagina Monologues’

    Sounds like they have talking vaginas. Will their vaginas be telling jokes? Could be funnier than achmed the dead terrorist.

    /


  43. RIX
    43 | June 19, 2012 10:50 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Why do these women spend so much time thinking about their vaginas? I think

    it’s a job that no self-respecting man will do!

    Hey Mac. Several years ago I heard this Eve Ensler interviewed
    on the radio.
    She had evolved beyond the Vagina Monolouges. She was shilling
    a new book about her stomach. She seriously said that her
    stomach talks to her! Of course one of the things that she
    heard is “Man bad, woman good”
    She is profoudly crazed.


  44. gulfloafer
    44 | June 19, 2012 10:54 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ gulfloafer:
    “Lunatic fringe nut-job site”. Wait, what? Where did that come from?

    Little Green Footballs!

    Ah, the gift that keeps on giving …


  45. 45 | June 19, 2012 10:55 am

    RIX wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    Why do these women spend so much time thinking about their vaginas? I think
    it’s a job that no self-respecting man will do!

    Hey Mac. Several years ago I heard this Eve Ensler interviewed
    on the radio.
    She had evolved beyond the Vagina Monolouges. She was shilling
    a new book about her stomach. She seriously said that her
    stomach talks to her! Of course one of the things that she
    heard is “Man bad, woman good”
    She is profoudly crazed.

    As I’ve said before, satirists should be suing these people for plagiarism.


  46. taxfreekiller
    46 | June 19, 2012 10:55 am

    Good information on Denis McDonough, Obama’s foreign policy adviser, boss of the NSC as of now. This guy former thug for Tom Daschle, bug crawler for The Center for American Progress, buddy of Dan Restrepo, and the one who sent Kevin O’Reilly into “the no talk zone in Iraq” to cover up O’Reilly talking “Fast and Furious” to the ATF in Az. and the fact Obama was in that loop as well as Denis and others.

    http://www.sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/

    long read but worth it….

    My read of this guy “grave danger” to freedom and truth.


  47. RIX
    47 | June 19, 2012 10:58 am

    @ MacDuff:

    As I’ve said before, satirists should be suing these people for plagiarism.

    Funnier tha an SNL skit, but lots of things are.


  48. taxfreekiller
    48 | June 19, 2012 10:58 am

    and he is a “global warming” kook to boot. Not that he belives a word of this CO2 fraud,,, it is just a means to grab total power.@ taxfreekiller:


  49. 49 | June 19, 2012 11:04 am

    @ RIX:
    Both of them want to purge the Republican Party of those icky conservatives, and turn us into a Center Left party. They want the Republican Party to be Democrat lite, not a strong right Wing party. Fuck em.


  50. RIX
    50 | June 19, 2012 11:04 am

    Dems in the Senate are now saying that Obama plans
    to plow ahead with ObamaCare even if the Court strikes
    down the mandate.
    That makes me think that Elena Kagen tipped off the
    White House & it is not good for them. We shall see.


  51. RIX
    51 | June 19, 2012 11:06 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Both of them want to purge the Republican Party of those icky conservatives, and turn us into a Center Left party. They want the Republican Party to be Democrat lite, not a strong right Wing party. Fuck em.

    Which is why the Tea Party has to take over the Republican
    Party. They are decent & principaled people


  52. 52 | June 19, 2012 11:09 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The GOP already has enough Liberals, they want more? Geesh.


  53. 53 | June 19, 2012 11:11 am

    Heh

    EXCLUSIVE: Secret Service agents partied like rock stars on Obamas’ Vineyard Vacation

    Does anyone recall when George Bush vacationed in Martha’s Vineyard?


  54. 54 | June 19, 2012 11:11 am

    @ RIX:

    I think the Tea Party should have started their own Party back in 09. Uniting with the Republicans was huge mistake. Its too late and both are tied at the hip, but I think it was a lost opportunity to create a real Center-Right Party.


  55. Speranza
    55 | June 19, 2012 11:12 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Jeb is another Meghan McCain

    He looks like Porky Pig.


  56. 56 | June 19, 2012 11:12 am

    @ MacDuff:

    I know Poppy did, but not W.


  57. Speranza
    57 | June 19, 2012 11:15 am

    RIX wrote:

    Dems in the Senate are now saying that Obama plans
    to plow ahead with ObamaCare even if the Court strikes
    down the mandate.

    Not if we control both Houses.


  58. 58 | June 19, 2012 11:17 am

    @ Speranza:

    He will do so my executive order. I’m waiting for him to pull a Robespierre and declare himself a god.


  59. Speranza
    59 | June 19, 2012 11:17 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I think the Tea Party should have started their own Party back in 09. Uniting with the Republicans was huge mistake. I

    No, that would’ve helped Obama.
    It would’ve helped if the Tea Party did not allow any politician to appoint themselves as “leader”.


  60. Speranza
    60 | June 19, 2012 11:18 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    He will do so my executive order.

    There are limits to that.


  61. 61 | June 19, 2012 11:24 am

    @ Speranza:

    Not really. In 09, the GOP was going the way of the Whigs, so if the Tea Party had started a new Party, the GOP would be on life support right now. Plus the GOP would have gone even more to the Left thus attracting Moderate Liberals. The Result would be The New Tea Party getting the Center-Right (40-45%), The GOP the Center-Left (20%) and The Democrats the Far Left (35%).

    But what’s done is done and there’s no use of crying over spilled milk.


  62. 62 | June 19, 2012 11:25 am

    @ Speranza:

    This man has none.


  63. 63 | June 19, 2012 11:25 am

    Every time there’s a failing Democrat administration, just like clockwork, the same tired argument is made.

    Gawd, they’re painfully predictable.


  64. 64 | June 19, 2012 11:28 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Didn’t they say that during the Carter years?


  65. RIX
    65 | June 19, 2012 11:29 am

    @ Rodan:
    They Tea Party may be forced into forming a new
    political party at some time.
    But that would have split the vote in 2010 & Obama
    would still have the House. A split vote in 2012 &
    Obama waltzes in.
    I would like to see them pull a coup d’etat on the
    Republicans and take over the Party.


  66. 66 | June 19, 2012 11:29 am

    @ Speranza:
    Not really. You have to be able to override a veto to block an EO, and what do you do if the President ignores the law? We see on immigration where that gets us. No, if we don’t remove him Obama will be a virtual dictator in his second term.


  67. 67 | June 19, 2012 11:30 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Didn’t they say that during the Carter years?

    Yeah, back then it was “the job’s too big”. They never seem to understand that their men are too small.


  68. 68 | June 19, 2012 11:32 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Not really. You have to be able to override a veto to block an EO, and what do you do if the President ignores the law? We see on immigration where that gets us. No, if we don’t remove him Obama will be a virtual dictator in his second term.

    There ain’t nothing virtual about his ultimate goal….


  69. 69 | June 19, 2012 11:32 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’m not exaggerating. I think Obama will pull a Robespierre and claim to be a god/light worker who has descended from a higher spiritual plane to create a new utopia.


  70. 70 | June 19, 2012 11:33 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Obama should never have come close to the Presidency.


  71. 71 | June 19, 2012 11:35 am

    @ RIX:
    That would be ideal. It is a lot harder to start a new Party than Rodan thinks. The last time it was successfully done was when Lincoln did it, and that required the Civil war in to actually succeed.


  72. RIX
    72 | June 19, 2012 11:36 am

    @ Speranza:

    Not if we control both Houses

    .

    Obama has shown a disregard for the Constitution &
    no problem ruling by fiat.
    He has to be defeated


  73. 73 | June 19, 2012 11:38 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Obama should never have come close to the Presidency.

    We seem to be electing the opposite from the previous president; Bush was the anti-Clinton, Obama is the anti-Bush. Make of that what you will, but Romney is really the anti-Obama.


  74. 74 | June 19, 2012 11:39 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’m not exaggerating. I think Obama will pull a Robespierre and claim to be a god/light worker who has descended from a higher spiritual plane to create a new utopia.

    Actually, I think you are exaggerating.


  75. 75 | June 19, 2012 11:40 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    How about if the day come Conservatives take over the GOP a name change?


  76. Speranza
    76 | June 19, 2012 11:42 am

    RIX wrote:

    He has to be defeated

    You get no argument from me on that.


  77. RIX
    77 | June 19, 2012 11:43 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Yup starting a new party & actually winning elections any
    time soon is like finding a needle in a needle stack.
    Take over the OParty & bring it back to Reagan.
    Oh, & bar Jeb Bush from any open bar event. He only
    gets cash bars


  78. lobo91
    78 | June 19, 2012 11:46 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    That would be ideal. It is a lot harder to start a new Party than Rodan thinks. The last time it was successfully done was when Lincoln did it, and that required the Civil war in to actually succeed.

    Plus, the election of 1860 was a 4-way contest. There were 2 Democrat candidates (Breckenridge and Douglas) and John Bell represented the Constitutional Union party.

    Lincoln only got just under 40% of the popular vote.


  79. 79 | June 19, 2012 11:48 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Nothing surprises me with this guy. Obama is a crazy egomaniac. He really is scary.


  80. Bumr50
    80 | June 19, 2012 11:50 am

    @ Rodan:

    He doesn’t have the speaking presence to pull that off for a large enough audience without sounding like a complete idiot, IMHO.

    He’ll have others do it for him (like everything else in his life.)


  81. RIX
    81 | June 19, 2012 11:52 am

    The Chicago Tribune had a front page story below the fold
    this morning.
    It was something like “Is Arab Spring chilled in Egypt”
    They are commenting on the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood
    victory? Uh, Uh, they are upset that the Military is trying
    to restrian the MB.
    They have devolved to an NY Times wannabe.


  82. 82 | June 19, 2012 11:53 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Nothing surprises me with this guy. Obama is a crazy egomaniac. He really is scary.

    I hear ya. I don’t think he’s beyond it, but I do think we’re beyond letting such a thing happen.


  83. lobo91
    83 | June 19, 2012 11:54 am

    @ RIX:

    There’s a story on the Fox News site today about how one of Obama’s former Harvard Law professors is calling for his defeat.

    Of course, you have to get a couple paragraphs in to realize that he’s against him for being too conservative…


  84. 84 | June 19, 2012 11:58 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Did you ever read about how Robespierre declared himself a god? There was some stage set and he came down some stairs dressed as a Gerco-Roman God.


  85. RIX
    85 | June 19, 2012 12:01 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I did watch that Fox vid with Obamas Old Law prof.
    The guy is an eltist snob.


  86. 86 | June 19, 2012 12:01 pm

    @ Rodan:
    It would not bother me, but I don’t think it likely. Just as the Leftists did not change the name of the Democrat party when they took over. I think we’ll stay with tradition.


  87. RIX
    87 | June 19, 2012 12:05 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    He has to be defeated
    You get no argument from me on that.

    So, I can sign you up?


  88. Speranza
    88 | June 19, 2012 12:11 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    RIX wrote:
    He has to be defeated
    You get no argument from me on that.

    So, I can sign you up?

    Well I sent $50 to Romney -- that’s a start.


  89. RIX
    89 | June 19, 2012 12:13 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Well I sent $50 to Romney – that’s a start.

    You’re in, that’s a good start.


  90. Alberta Oil Peon
    90 | June 19, 2012 12:14 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    Heh. It would be so much entertainment for a large group of men to attend this “event” and solemnly chant “penis, penis, penis” every time she utters the word “vagina”. Paging Bunk!


  91. Speranza
    91 | June 19, 2012 12:15 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Did you ever read about how Robespierre declared himself a god? There was some stage set and he came down some stairs dressed as a Gerco-Roman God.

    He never declared himself God (he was not a Caligula). His opponents once said “The bastard is not content to be boss, now he has to be God as well” after they witnessed his behavior at “The Festival of the Supreme Being” but they did not mean it literally.


  92. 92 | June 19, 2012 12:18 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Did you ever read about how Robespierre declared himself a god? There was some stage set and he came down some stairs dressed as a Gerco-Roman God.

    Yes, and then a very short time latter he had his own date with the guillotine and lost his head over that statement.


  93. RIX
    93 | June 19, 2012 12:18 pm

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:
    Which is why I always wanted Oregon State to play
    South Carolina in a bowl game.
    Think about it.


  94. 94 | June 19, 2012 12:23 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:
    Which is why I always wanted Oregon State to play
    South Carolina in a bowl game.
    Think about it.

    South Carolina would, no doubt, have a penetrating offense…….


  95. Alberta Oil Peon
    95 | June 19, 2012 12:25 pm

    @ RIX:
    Gamecocks and Beavers?


  96. RIX
    96 | June 19, 2012 12:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I’m not exaggerating. I think Obama will pull a Robespierre and claim to be a god/light worker who has descended from a higher spiritual plane to create a new utopia.

    That would send Chris Matthews into orgasmic ecstasy.


  97. Guggi
    97 | June 19, 2012 12:30 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Heh
    EXCLUSIVE: Secret Service agents partied like rock stars on Obamas’ Vineyard Vacation

    Does anyone recall when George Bush vacationed in Martha’s Vineyard?

    Like master like man.


  98. 98 | June 19, 2012 12:30 pm

    RIX wrote:

    That would send Chris Matthews into orgasmic ecstasy.

    Gee, thanks for that mental image… :|


  99. 99 | June 19, 2012 12:31 pm

    @ RIX:
    @ MacDuff:
    @ Alberta Oil Peon:

    ROFLMAIAO!


  100. RIX
    100 | June 19, 2012 12:31 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Gamecocks and Beavers?</blockquote

    >

    That’s it. Can you imagine the color commentary.
    “Ya know Ralph , the cocks have had a hard time penetrating
    the Beavers defense all afternoon.”


  101. RIX
    101 | June 19, 2012 12:32 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    THat would send Chris Matthews into orgasmic ecstacy.
    Gee, thanks for that mental image…

    I’m here for ya.


  102. RIX
    102 | June 19, 2012 12:36 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    South Carolina would, no doubt, have a penetrating offense…….

    Exactly, the possibilities are endless.


  103. 103 | June 19, 2012 1:36 pm

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:

    Oh that would be perfect! LOL!


  104. 104 | June 19, 2012 1:37 pm

    @ RIX:

    !
    bwahahahahaha!
    !


  105. 105 | June 19, 2012 1:42 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Exactly, the possibilities are endless.

    I know there’s a circumcision joke in there, somewhere, but I’m just too lazy to make it.


  106. 106 | June 19, 2012 4:34 pm

    RIX wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:
    Why do these women spend so much time thinking about their vaginas? I think
    it’s a job that no self-respecting man will do!
    Hey Mac. Several years ago I heard this Eve Ensler interviewed
    on the radio.
    She had evolved beyond the Vagina Monolouges. She was shilling
    a new book about her stomach. She seriously said that her
    stomach talks to her! Of course one of the things that she
    heard is “Man bad, woman good”
    She is profoudly crazed.

    She is also a Serb-basher from way back.


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