Here is a nasty fight that broke out on a California Freeway.
No word on whether Bath Salts was behind this attack.
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Fight on a California Freeway
by Rodan ( 156 Comments › )Filed under Fight Thread, Open thread at June 21st, 2012 - 7:00 pm
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Play nice!
Two against one -- lovely.
Two Suspects turn themselves in after brutal highway beating is caught on camera
That is awful. This looks like road rage to me not bath salts.
@ Speranza:
They have no defense…the video tells the story.
@ Speranza:
This video forced them to turn themselves in.
Wow I killed this thread and the other one before it.
These motherfucking ANIMALS!
@ Rodan:
No kidding. They had no where to go. So much rage in the world.
@ Lily:
It’s not baths salts. I was just being sarcastic.
Rodan wrote:
I knew that!
But I just had to make a reply. 
Meh, looks like a pretty average day in L.A.
doriangrey wrote:
Just caught on film this time.
Glad I don’t live in a big city.
@ doriangrey:
You’re used to seeing that when you go up there. It’s really that bad?
Game of Thrones spinoffs
Nothing amazes me anymore. One thing that caught my eye was the guy trying to help him up while still running the video on him.
Common first aid stuff for the general public would be not to move that guy after ehat happened unless something worse could have happened.
But, citizen journalism strikes again. Those guys were had dead to rights.
@ Lily:
@ Rodan:
Two thugs.
Some dumb people walking/driving around. Always walk away from stuff like that. We have probably all experienced road rage at some point. But I cringe when i am in a car with relatives and kids and the driving relative has to be aggresive. I just stopped visiting that relative. made excuses.
@ Speranza:
That could not happen in Florida.
@ Rodan:
Or if it did, it would end like Trayvon Martin.
Dangerous stuff. Crack your skull on that pavement and its all over. On a busy freeway that needs to be interrupted.
Rodan wrote:
In Florida some Good Samaritan would pull out a piece and blast them.
@ Speranza:
Yup. That Guy actually was holding them off at first until he just got overwhelmed.
Dude was whopping that ass…until the punk bitch friend jumped in. Little bitches.
He should have gotten back in his car. If you do have multiple attackers stay on your back and try and kick the assailants in the crotch if male and in the knees. Try and get to a corner or a wall so your back is blocked. Don’t try and move an injured person.
Rodan wrote:
Bad? that wasn’t bad, that was pretty mild. Two Chicano’s and a Black man fighting alongside the road and nobody got shot or knifed? Good grief, that whole “Fight” took what less than 2 minutes? Bad is defined entirely by what you are programmed to think is normal.
Quite frankly based on what is on that video, I would be surprised if no charges are filed or if they are filed they will most likely be minor assault charges dealing with kicking the black guy after he was knocked out.
However, in that video, the black guy is the one most likely to face assault charges. Because he is the one who initiated physical contact. In California, getting your ass kicked doesn’t mean you are not the one charged with assault. The law here is, the first person to make physical contact bares the most liability for the fight.
@ doriangrey:
Opps, wouldn’t be surprised if no charges are filed.
Formercorpsman wrote:
I thought the same thing when I saw the video -- especially after the kick to the head. Guy could have had a broken neck.
@ doriangrey:
SO that guy was not as innocent as it seems.
@ Dolphin:
once he was not a threat they should have left. They went overboard. That final kick was really brutal.
Kicking an unconscious person repeatedly in the head isn’t simple assault. I remember a case where some kid was doing that, although he was wearing boots, and was charged with attempted murder. He pled to aggravated assault.
I hate this shit…I’d be in there for all I’m worth…surrounded and outnumbered is no way to roll…I absolutely despise long odds and I’ve been there more than once…I don’t care why or how I just jump in….sounds like bravado, whatever….I used to really dig a good brawl and 2-3 on one is just wrong
@ Rodan:
Hard for me to have an opinion on exactly what happened. We, as viewers, don’t know what transpired that brought on the argument and fight.
The two on one and the kick to the head puts it over the line for me. Also, the dude videoing it should have been on said phone calling 911 instead of filming it. IMO all parties evolved were idiots.
@ Dolphin:
Agreed.
heysoos wrote:
So someone assaults your kid you just sit back because it’s even odds? Big ass dude beating on a little girl, heh it’s one to one? A fellow officer gets assaulted by an inmate, I should just kick back and have some pop corn?
Rancher wrote:
it’s attempted murder in my opinion…I have fought people my whole life and never kicked anyone in the head on the ground….bad juju
“Never get out of the car.” -Apocalypse Now, freeway meltdown adaptation.
Evening, all.
@ Rancher:
I’m not getting you
@ Dolphin:
he should have dumped the phone and tried to help the guy
Rodan wrote:
No, according to that video he’s guilty of assault. Rancher wrote:
The law is a little dicey about that, it depends on the circumstances and the DA and the judge will decide if it was excessively uncalled for or merely an uncontrollable fight or flight adrenalin triggered reaction.
@ doriangrey:
I re-watched it. You’re right. Another media lie it seems. Good catch.
@ Dolphin:
Exactly
you just don’t kick a man in the head that’s just been knocked out, period….brawling is one thing, killing a man is a huge leap
Rancher wrote:
I saw a bunch of bikers doing that to a black guy on the boardwalk at 116th Street in Rockaway Beach in the 70s. Just horrible. It was because he was looking at some trampy white girl go by in her bathing suit. They just mauled the poor man.
Russians can fight with their fists, bigtime…this is brawling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=gL9rUIAv9H8
Hey they squared off to fight, all parties were acting on their own free will and shit happens. it was ugly yes but that is how it goes. i grew up on the bronx line and there you learn young walk away or go all in. there is no middle ground.
@ brookly red:
that’s it…no middle ground
An especially nice touch was the sight of them continuing to kick the unconscious man, for a good long while after he was lights out. I do not care that these imbeciles turned themselves in, nor that the other man was a willing participant, they deserve to be removed from society for a good long while.
Flyovercountry wrote:
Human jackals.
@ Flyovercountry:
That’s the line they cross. He may have been the one who started it, but kicking him once he was not a threat to them was not needed. Once he was down, they should have left him alone.
Rodan wrote:
The media immediately went with the standard the African-American is the poor abused victim. California doesn’t accept “Fighting words” as a legal justification to assault another individual. Moreover if I remember correctly California also has set an actual time limit where any physical action taken in self defense against an aggressor isn’t considered assault or attempted murder.
With regards to the kicking the black dude in the head while he was down and possibly unconscious. The courts recognize that under the influence of a massive fight or flight adrenaline surge, an individuals perception of time alters and you might hit your opponent several more times before you recognize that they are unconscious, incapacitated or not longer fighting back.
That time limit is something like 7 or 8 seconds. Which if you have ever been in a fight like the one in that video, seems like a long time to the observer, but not to the participant.
Flyovercountry wrote:
you obviously have never done the street hassle thing… let me explain. plenty of assholes got dead by showing mercy, you put a man down and you make sure he stays down because if he gets up most times he has something in his hand.
Flyovercountry wrote:
Sorry to disagree with you flyover, watch the video again, the kicking incident takes maybe 3 or 4 whole seconds.
An aside post and then I am off. Neighbor has this wonderful, beautiful dog. Lucy. Her mother is a pure bread black lab and father is a registered German Shepherd. Neighbor’s son “gave” it to dad a year or so ago. Dad is 65+ and is not in good health. “Mom” could care less.
Lucy spends at least 18 house in a small indoor kennel each day. I love this girl. Yes, she is hyper (she doesn’t get enough exercise or attention). She is good around other animals and kids (a bit hyper for their 2 yo grand daughter, but not in the least aggressive).
OK, now to the good news -- “Dad/neighbor” has given me permission to find Lucy a good home where she has people and land for her energy. I have a good local website that I am pretty confident I can find her a forever home. I really wish we could take her, but we just don’t have the time or life style for a dog.
Lucy is 1 1/2 yo. Female, not fixed. Current on shots, but needs to be tested for heart worm (and possibly treated). I will finance these to ensure Lucy gets a good home. We, as neighbors, have taken care of Lucy when they had to go out of town. I love this dog.
@ doriangrey:
I have…your CA law is bullshit…two on one and fight or flight is an issue?…that’s insane, but that’s CA..anti-reality
heysoos wrote:
I’ve been charged with assault in California, have you?
heysoos wrote:
Do you even know what the fight or flight triggered response is?
heysoos wrote:
The how and why matters. Someone breaks into my house I will shoot them, not fight them fair, one on one, Marquis of Queensbury Rules. Someone attacks my family I’m backing up my family. It would be two on one so here you come and attack us to make it fair? Sure if two guys agree to fight like these clowns others should stay out but just because a bunch of guys are beating up one guy doesn’t mean you should join in to even the odds. You might be seeing some dads who just caught a child molester or some kid being jumped into a gang. In the latter case you would be in some deep shit if you joined in.
@ doriangrey:
no, who gives a shit?…so CA law gives you so many seconds to kill someone before it’s murder?…who decided this?…some retired actor?
Rancher wrote:
Actually you would be in serious deep shit in either of those cases. However, legally when witnessing a relative or friend being assaulted it’s a whole different situations. There are no laws here in California that require a citizen to stand by an watch a friend or relative be assaulted.
heysoos wrote:
welcome to the jungle
doriangrey wrote:
Definitely, like who would even charge this guy? (Athough some ACLU type wanted them to.)
heysoos wrote:
No, it was the SCOTUS. It’s called justifiable homicide. California just placed a physical time limit on when your actions go from justifiable to excessive.
@ Rancher:
whatever, I defend the weak and the outnumbered…whatever you are trying to say is going over my head
Advice for those caught in a streetfight from your friendly neighborhood Irish bar brawler;
1. If you can’t avoid a fight, don’t talk,,, hit first.
2. Do your best to keep your feet under you. Don’t try to kick. It’s not MMA.
3. Head hunt. Punch straight and hard at heads. Quickest way to incapacitate.
4. If it’s 3 to 1 and you’re not a pro,,, run or bleed. (Hint; run is better)
@ doriangrey:
good for them…I’m sure all the participants in this massacre were thinking about SCOTUS
heysoos wrote:
who freakin cares? there was a fight and somebody won & somebody lost
Rancher wrote:
Exactly. There are things in that video which if you watch it carefully are clear, but a lot of stuff that isn’t. That video makes it pretty clear that the black guy initiated first contact, legally that makes him the aggressor. What is not evident is why he initiated first contact, or what the physical relationship between the two Hispanic males was. Were they friends, were the sibling, or blood relatives. In a court of law, those are important and significant factors in determining the degree of culpability that they hold in this altercation.
considering the law and all it’s ramifications is not a factor when you are getting your head caved in, or trying to prevent it….how stupid can you get?
doriangrey wrote:
Well, I get your point but the dads might not kill you especially if you’re only trying to stop what you percieve as an uneven fight. The gangstas however…
doriangrey wrote:
where they married? that might twist the DAs shorts…
heysoos wrote:
Watch the video again, you are defending the guy who started the fight. There is no law anywhere that I am aware of that requires a friend or relative to stand down when someone assaults their friend or relative.
@ doriangrey:
what a bunch of blow…the issue was not the law, the issue was survival…but thanks for your after the fact lawyering
heysoos wrote:
Can’t help you with that.
heysoos wrote:
are you bi-polar? will you please stay on one side or the other.
heysoos wrote:
You are defending the guy who according to what is on that video, started the fight, you don’t have a leg to stand on morally, ethically or legally.
@ doriangrey:
I defended the guy that started it…good for you, but I don’t care who started it….while you sit on your ass deciding what’s legal some guy is getting killed
@ Rancher:
I didn’t think so, but no hard feelings
The guy should have gone in his car when he had a chance. In the beginning he turned around and then came back at them. He should have just left.
heysoos wrote:
Yes, and it’s called self defense. It happens. If you get killed because you started a fight, it’s your own damned fault.
@ brookly red:
no, there are no ‘sides’….something you can’t seem to figure out
@ Rancher:
@ heysoos:
@ doriangrey:
What I saw was assholes arguing on a freeway, then a fight between a big guy and a little guy, then 2 little guys kicking a big guy in the head.
Plenty of asshole to go around in that video.
What the “court decides” will likely be wrong.
@ doriangrey:
I didn’t say I did….don’t try to misrepresent me, that’s a no no
heysoos wrote:
oh ok i got it you don’t actually have a point you just want to argue… that’s OK it’s all good.
@ Rodan:
people are stupid…I’ve waded in against the odds many times, and paid for it
heysoos wrote:
I’m not misrepresenting you.
I have done jury duty… you start it you own it
Don’t feed the troll…
@ Da_Beerfreak:
Is it OK to feed the gnomes?
@ doriangrey:
true enough…but that shit won’t stop me…when 2 on one kick up a knocked out guy, I’m in it, while you worry the legalities…life is short bro…do the right thing, and watching some perp get stomped to death is wrong
Poteen wrote:
Sure. Gnomes love ground troll.
Da_Beerfreak wrote:
aka pink slime
@ brookly red:
I’d I overlook the simple?…what is your problem with my point?….maybe I can clarify
troll?…how enlightened…
you guys are too easy
heysoos wrote:
The right thing? You don’t even have a clue what the right thing is. There is a reason that the terms Self defense and Justifiable homicide exist, it’s because there are times when taking another human life IS the right thing to do.
If you initiate an assault on another person and during that assault you just happen to get killed, well tough shit, the right thing to do, was not attempt to assault someone in the first place.
@ 89 heysoos: If the fight is in front of me, i will step into it. Just to see if I can break it up. I wouldn’t stand there and watch. I’ll flash my ID and say Police as loud as I can. Not a cop. never had to do it. I’ve been threatened by thugs maybe 4 times in my life and i talked through it. It was just a matter of looking someone in the eye and getting control of a conversation. when the event happens I’m ready to die, I’ve already accepted the consequences. Never know when the crap in front of you is a psycho.
Dolphin wrote:
I hear you. However, if the guy with the camera phone had done that, the attack would have been over, the perps would have fled and no evidence would be available while the police were “scrambling” to answer the 911 call and managed to show up 20 minutes later. To be fair, the attack was over before the police or an ambulance could even be alerted.
Agree that the black guy started it and bears some responsibility. However, as others have pointed out, where this went from simple brawling to assault or worse was when they kicked the guy when he was obviously down and out of the fight. They can no longer claim self defense because of that act.
@ 94 doriangrey: The right thing to do is what you feel at that moment. Many people will flee. Many will call for help. I know plenty of men who have seen enough crap in their life that they won’t be intimidated by a fight. That’s probably part of a lot of the problem but also the solution. Plenty of good samartins get whacked.
@ doriangrey:
He should have walked back in his car when he had a chance.
doriangrey wrote:
Dorian. Look at it again. The big guy is arguing with 2 little guys. One of them says something and both that guy and the big guy put their hands up to fight. It’s on at that point and no, you are not legally obligated to take the first punch and from a fighter’s standpoint you’re a fool if you do.
What Heysoos is saying, I think, is that after the 2 little guys beat down the big guy, they are gutless assholes for kicking him in the head and deserve their own beating. I agree.
Any of the 3 could have walked away. They didn’t. The big guy got his ass kicked,,,, the little guys are going to jail.
All 3 should get ‘counseling’ about how stupid it is to fight on the freeway.
None of them deserve to be defended
OOT is up.
If someone is pugilistic like that it seems it would be smart to carry a business card of a gym and meet in the ring. Freeway road rage and you want to fight? Seems like the dumbest thing ever.
We have shots fired over road rage a lot here. usually some innocent passenger is the victim, several have died.
to the people that call me a troll, an asshole and other stuff….if you are outnumbered I will try to defend you with my last right hook…excluding all these make up scenarios….if you killed mt grandma, your on your own…but I speak in general terms…nobody deserves to die on a highway because they were cut off, regardless of how much an asshole they are
AZfederalist wrote:
Sorry as I have posted up thread I will have to disagree, the court will look at it and decide whether those blows were justifiable or excessive. Odds are they will find them justifiable because of the physical amount of time involved and the fact that the individual administering them backed off relatively quickly after only 2 or 3 kicks which could clearly and easily be seen as in the context of a fight of self defense.
@ 102 heysoos: Troll? I missed it. seems odd. You’ve been around for years. Trolls are usually short timers trying to derail threads by going off topic. Term doesn’t apply Last troll here was Space Jesus I think.
heysoos wrote:
I agree with you but bear in mind, if The Lone Ranger were alive today he’d be doing life in a federal prison.
@ doriangrey:
well, that’s a sad way to deal with it…if you agree with that paradigm, then your simply wrong…trying to impose some logical value in a time line when some guy is getting his head stoved in, is just crazy…I doubt you even believe such crap
@ 103 doriangrey: True Story: Domestic violence California. He slaps her silly, knows not to bruise her. She tries to defend herself and scratches him with a fingernail. Neighbors call police. She is upset. He is calm. He lies. She tells the truth. The police don’t know what to do, so based on the scratch they send her to jail for the night.
@ Poteen:
thanks…it’s not that complicated to have to invoke CA supreme court crap…when two people are kicking your brains out, your life is at stake…I don’t intellectualize it, I react…so I’m a troll for defending the helpless…nice place you got here
@ 105 Poteen: What about that Zorro cat? That has to be harassment when you scratch a Z on someones chest.
doriangrey wrote:
I posted what I did before reading the post you referenced. I think I was wrong in my assessment after considering your argument. The time period is probably the critical factor.
Whole thing was pretty stupid, looked like three people out to prove who’s was bigger.
@ darkwords:
the ‘law’ will get you dead….good point
Dang, I gotta agree with heysoos. I couldn’t sit back and watch without trying to stop them. Yeah sometimes that doesn’t work out but…
One dude kicking someones ass, I could see.
Two is bad form.
NoThreat2U wrote:
Yes, that.
Spiderman was always in trouble with the law. At least issues 1-100 I think. When Gwen Stacy died it seemed to affect him.
Poteen wrote:
Sorry but you are mistaken. raising your fist’s in a defensive posture does not mean the fight is on. The fight is not “on” until one of the individual involved physically advances into the personal space of the other. That act is legally known as the initiation of physical contact. It is what legally defines which individual is the aggressor in an assault case.
You are absolutely right that you don’t have to allow anyone to hit you, what you absolutely do not have the right to do though is initiate physical contact. and like I said, the legal definition of initiation of physical contact isn’t hitting them, it’s intentionally moving into their personal space for the purpose of hitting them.
Watch the video again carefully, when the Hispanic put’s his fist up in a defensive posture, he steps back. That is a defensive posture, not an aggressive posture. When the black man put’s his fist’s up, he advances forward into the Hispanic males personal space, the Hispanic backs up again before striking out in self defense.
@ heysoos:
probably the point is that in California what people think is justice is not always going to happen.
In midwest I could screw up and the sheriff would just talk to my parents and work something out. Not possible I think in california, I would have to be incacerated and get a lawyer to fight off the legal system. especially if I offended a protected class.
heysoos wrote:
I never called you a troll. However…..
It does seem to me that every thread you jump on, regardless of topic, winds up being about YOU.
Kinda wish there was an ignore button on here.
Kafir wrote:
Watch the video again, that’s not what happened. The black dude started that fight, and when it looked pretty obvious that the smaller Hispanic dude was going to get serious beat, one of his friends came to his aid. It’s a pretty classic case of self defense.
@ heysoos:
Don’t take it personal. It’s hard to understand getting gang pounded until it’s happened to you and most people don’t.
First thing I saw was 3 to 1. The guy’s a dummy for stopping. The others are assholes for being poor winners and they all deserve what they get.
@ doriangrey:
so what?…all your legal gobblygook is not the point…you step in to prevent someone from dying…are you stupid?…would you just stand there measuring stances?
@ doriangrey:
Legally.
But sometimes some people just need their asses kicked.
@ 115 doriangrey: I did think the black guy was the aggressor. But was he just trying to scare the three people off? He could probably claim a “Trayvon Martin” defense or some such and felt the numbers threatened him. If there is a first punch offense, the law probably doesn’t care about the odds or excuses. Any smart person black or hispanic would have walked away already.
@ 119 Poteen: Yes it seems pretty hot headed to stop your car on the freeway like that. Drive to a bank or a police station and stop. Somewhere there are cameras and security.
@ doriangrey:
Ah I didn’t~ like I said I can’t watch an ass kicking. It gets to me. If dude deserved it well… See #121.
~:)
@ grambo:
no, it’s not about me at all…it’s about the truth as I see it, just like your opinion…the difference is I don’t hack you over it if you are friendly and reasonably polite…backing off and calling me a troll is pretty weak…,maybe people like me with stout convictions are trolls to you…so be it
Never ask a bus driver for help. They are supposed to just watch and observe and report. Per the union contract. And sometimes they are slow at that.
@ Poteen:
I’ve been pounded in the meat world as well as on the internet…no big deal…I don’t hold any grudges
@ Kafir:
I think the guy should have walked away.
@ doriangrey:
It was 3 to 1 Dorian. The ‘initiator’ was whoever chased the other guy down and invited him out of his car onto the freeway. To rationally discuss their mutual traffic issue? I think not.
doriangrey wrote:
And if this were the way it worked, every bar doorman in the state would be in jail.
heysoos wrote:
No, I am a ardent advocate of the concept of SELF DEFENSE. That is a concept, despite your adamant blathering, you seem incapable of grasping. The black man in that video attempted to assault someone, that individual was forced to defend himself, and one of his friends believed it was necessary to come to his aid.
What happened to that black man was a direct result of his own actions. He was the aggressor and if he had died as a result, it would have been no ones fault but his own. Actions have consequences, if you can’t accept that, then you have a serious problem.
Poteen wrote:
Bullshit. You don’t know why they were pulled over on the side of the road. Furthermore your example of Bar Bouncer is an absurd strawman. Bouncers don’t intrude into an individuals personal space for the purpose of hitting them. They firmly insist that you leave the premises and only use force when force is used to resist them. Otherwise they do end up in jail.
@ heysoos:
He wasn’t the one that said it. Take it up with Da Beerfreak. He’ll love it. He likes stirring the pot as much as you do.
doriangrey wrote:
That is just plain stupid Dorian. People in fights can die from a single punch. It’s rare. People in fights do die when helpless and repeatedly kicked in the head. And that is not legally defensible.
heysoos wrote:
Meh, I don’t think your a troll. A bit stubborn and feisty, and sometimes misguided, but I haven’t really seen anything out of you that would make me think you’re a troll.
Poteen wrote:
No, it’s not stupid, it’s why self defense law exist. Yes people do die in fights, it’s why the law legally recognizes your right to defend yourself. It’s why laws like the Castle Doctrine and Stand your Ground exist.
@ darkwords:
For real? I would think they’d be liable for letting it happen on their bus. I mean at least yell “STOP I’m alerting the police!” or something.
Huh. Oh well.
@ doriangrey:
what you seem to ignore is that I don’t care who was the aggressor, I don’t care about CA law and I don’t care about your tack here…the man was overwhelmed and was getting his head kicked in…you want to play politics, fine…when it’s you in the gutter, I’ll consult your CA rulebook, smoke a bowl and decide if your worth the rescue
@ Kafir:
@ doriangrey:
Bullshit yourself.The black guy said he cut them off. That’s why they were arguing on the freeway. Stupid all around.
doriangrey wrote:
That’s a fantasy. Every door guy has to fight sooner or later and firm insistence gets him hurt.
@ Kafir:
I would never do that.
@ Poteen:
you make your stand wherever circumstances prevail…outside a club, on the freeway, wherever…there is no law out there, just survive your situation and hope for the best…some people just don’t get it
heysoos wrote:
Actually I’m not ignoring anything you are saying. I just find it ridicules. Like I said, I am an ardent advocate of SELF DEFENSE. You start the fight, if you lose, tough shit. I believe that actions have consequences and I believe in taking responsibility for ones actions.
I’m not ignoring your point of view, I am disagreeing with it. What you are advocating, whether you recognize it or not, is that no one has the right to defend themselves, and that only a third party so called objective bystander has the right to determine what actions constitute justifiable self-defense. That is what I am disagreeing with.
Poteen wrote:
Did you see it happen? No, you didn’t. Did you see what actually occurred to cause them both to physically be stopped? Again, no you didn’t. Even in California cutting someone off is not a justifiable excuse for chasing them down and assaulting them.
As far as being a bouncer, you have obviously never been one. Yes, they all get into fights eventually, and if they cannot prove that they acted in justifiable self-defense, then they go to jail.
doriangrey wrote:
It is Dorian. The self defense statutes allow you to defend yourself until the danger is eliminated. As you say, they do allow for the emotional distress involved. They do not allow excesses, like say repeatedly kicking an unconscious man. Zimmerman says he shot Martin because he feared for his life. If he’d stood up and shot him 4 more times his guilty verdict would be in already.
Your talking like you’re defending the little guy here but there were 2 of them with a third standing by the car. Somehow you twist that situation into a justifiable battery. It ain’t there.
@ doriangrey:
where I come from you lose when I knock you out and you go to the floor…I’ve knocked people out, probably been knocked myself even more time….have you?, have you ever been totally defenseless with your eyes swollen shut?…I have, and I went down…nobody ever kicked me in the face…I’ve been stabbed, nicked by a bullet, and hospitalized a few times, and never once did I kick a man in the face who I just creamed, and nobody ever kicked me in the head that I know….the boot is particularly ruthless, and everybody on the street knows it….sitting here dissecting events and quoting law is just absurd when it’s YOU getting the boot
doriangrey wrote:
35 years ago in Detroit, a topless bar, fights every week, and 30 years ago, club work in south Orange County for a couple weeks, not too much trouble.
Your view from the stage must have been clouded by your smoke machines if you think that’s what was happening at the door.
Poteen wrote:
Maybe you ought to watch that video again and notice how much time elapses. Were talking about an event that took under 1 minute, and the incident of kicking, probably under 5 seconds.
The fact that the smaller Hispanic males had two friends with him is utterly irrelevant as one of them at not point makes any effort to intervene. and the one who does get involved only does so when it become obvious that his friend was in serious trouble.
@ Poteen:
Excuse me. 38 years ago. Fuck I got old.
doriangrey wrote:
And a DA will take that into account, as well as the numbers involved, who said what, who did what and WTF were all of them doing on the freeway to start with.
The black guy isn’t dead and the others are lucky they stopped kicking when they did. Prolly all goes to civil court anyway.
heysoos wrote:
Yes, I’ve been kicked when down before and yes it sucks, but like you yourself pointed out, in a street fight their aint no marquis of queensbury rules. It’s raw brutal emotion, and raw brutal emotion isn’t know for it’s logical reasonable adhering to rules of proper decorum or protocol. It’s ugly and brutal. What you don’t do, is spend any time thinking, hey am I hurting this guy to much? No, you either get your ass kicked and hope the ass kicking doesn’t kill you, or you beat on the other guy until your damned sure he isn’t putting up a fight anymore.
Poteen wrote:
Yup, that would be my guess, unless the Hispanic guy decides he want’s to press assault charges, which he probably won’t do because of those kicks.
Poteen wrote:
I used to own an underground Rave Club, I was my own bouncer for several years.
@ doriangrey:
There was, sometime ago in CA, something the DA called mutual combat when he declined to file any charges regarding a bar fight. (Wasn’t me) Could go there with it.
doriangrey wrote:
One of the perks at the door was checking IDs. You got to know the hot chick’s names.
Took that away from some poor out of work bouncer you stingy bastard. /
Poteen wrote:
Hey even club owners have bills to pay.
I think the guys taking the video were packing heat. If the fight spilled their way we’d have never seen this video