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Obama and convention no-shows

by Speranza ( 117 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Election 2008, Elections 2012 at June 27th, 2012 - 2:00 pm

Like rats fleeing a sinking ship, many Democrats are staying as far away from Obama as possible. Most noteworthy  are Claire McCaskill (in Missouri) and Jon Tester (in Montana) both purple states that could go either way and Joe Manchin of West Virginia.

by Alex Roarty

If historical precedent is a guide, President Obama should be worried about the recent spate of Democrats who have declared that they won’t attend their own party’s national convention. But the lawmakers’ decision to stay home doesn’t have other Democrats reaching for the panic button yet.

Such defections amounted to an early alarm bell as recently as 2008, when a deluge of Republicans steered clear of the Republican National Convention lest they be associated with a then-deeply unpopular GOP. Three months later, a Democratic wave swept the White House and congressional elections.

Now Democrats are the ones abandoning ship. Already five House members — Mark Critz of Pennsylvania, Kathy Hochul and Bill Owens of New York, Nick Rahall of West Virginia, and Jim Matheson of Utah –- have joined Sens. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, Jon Tester of Montana, and Claire McCaskill of Missouri in deciding that they won’t attend this year’s Democratic National Convention.

The lawmakers all say they want to focus on their home states, where most are in close races. “If you’re running for Congress and your first focus is party conventions and national party politics instead of the middle class voters in your district, then you’re focused on the wrong thing,” says Jesse Ferguson, a spokesman for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

But the desertions have prompted GOP catcalls that their rivals are implicitly acknowledging that the president’s campaign is in serious trouble. McCaskill “isn’t just any Dem,” Republican National Committee spokesman Tim Miller said on Tuesday in a tweet. “She was Obama’s top surrogate in ’08. Avoiding him at all costs shows just how bad it is for O out there.”

[.......]

“I think problem is a little more different this time than it was for us in 2008,” said Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla., the 2008 National Republican Congressional Committee chairman who watched his own colleagues stay away from the St. Paul convention site. “I don’t think anyone was staying away for John McCain, but there was certainly Bush fatigue.”

[.......]

Skipping conventions isn’t a new move: In 2008, six Republican senators, including four facing reelection, announced by August they wouldn’t attend the Republican convention. Matheson, who has served in Congress since 2001, has never attended a Democratic convention.

Historically, the formula for determining whether to go to a convention is simple: If your party and its presidential nominee are in political trouble, stay away.

“I’m sure a lot of Republicans weren’t flocking to the [Barry] Goldwater convention in 1964 or Democrats to the [George] McGovern convention in 1972,” Cole said.

[........]

“Basically, only something negative could happen if they are worried about image at top of the ticket,” said Eric Ostermier, a University of Minnesota political scientist. “What are these moderate or conservative Democrats worried about? Well, who is speaking? What might be said? What are the images and symbolism that will be presented?”

All their opponents would need, he said, would be one televised clip of them cheering. “It could be a powerful image and put them on the defensive,” said Ostermier, who also authors the blog Smart Politics.

Rather than foreshadowing an impending Democratic wipeout, the lawmakers’ decision to stay home is an acknowledgment that they and the president must travel starkly different pathways to victory. And that means Obama, even if his campaign remains afloat, could sink their own hopes.

The divergent strategies are rooted in demographics. Obama’s campaign has targeted a combination of minorities and white-collar whites, particularly women, to win a majority of the election. That could be a winning strategy for him, but it’s unworkable for Critz, Hochul, Matheson, Owens, and Rahall. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, each of their districts is at least 92 percent white. And particularly in the case of Critz and Rahall, who represent the culturally conservative regions of western Pennsylvania and West Virginia, respectively, their constituents are also overwhelmingly blue-collar — a group that has soured on Obama.

It’s not a new problem in the party, according to Neera Tanden, president of the Center for American Progress, but Obama’s reliance on a diverse group of coalitions puts greater strain on other members.

“The coalition that elects Democrats is much more diffuse and diverse,” she said. “It is a coalition that is as different, it’s less white, with more different groups. People running for office, this is always a bit of a challenge, because the coalition is separate.”

Tanden added that she doubts their absence bothers the Obama campaign. “I think the campaign recognizes that winning elections is the most important thing,” she said.

In a sign that candidates in both parties sometimes feel the pressure to sever ties to the national party, Montana Republican Senate candidate Denny Rehberg said on Monday that he won’t attend the GOP gathering.

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  1. Speranza
    1 | June 27, 2012 2:04 pm

    Don’t be fooled, if these Democrats such as McCaskill get re-elected, they will vote straight down the line with Obama (well Manchin won’t).


  2. 2 | June 27, 2012 2:11 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yup, they just want to distance themselves because Caligula is not popular in their state.


  3. RIX
    3 | June 27, 2012 2:14 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Absolutely. Remember all of the Blue Dog Democrats
    rolling over for Pelosi.


  4. heysoos
    4 | June 27, 2012 2:15 pm

    conventions are show business, nothing more…a disgusting display of political arrogance….shut them down and feed some poor people instead


  5. 5 | June 27, 2012 2:20 pm

    I have a funny thread for tonight at 8:00 PM EST.


  6. citizen_q
    6 | June 27, 2012 2:20 pm

    @ heysoos:
    We all know they don’t truly give a rat’s-ass about the poor. If they did they would not con them to be generational dependents of government hand outs.


  7. Speranza
    7 | June 27, 2012 2:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Yup, they just want to distance themselves because Caligula is not popular in their state.

    They are trying to pull the wool over the eyes of their non leftist constiuents.


  8. Speranza
    8 | June 27, 2012 2:23 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Absolutely. Remember all of the Blue Dog Democrats
    rolling over for Pelosi.

    Yes and they got voted out in 2010 or decided not to run in 2012.


  9. mawskrat
    9 | June 27, 2012 2:37 pm

    Futbol note

    Spain vs Portugal in UEFA semifinal at 2:30 on ESPN

    GO SPAIN!!!!!!!!! a friend of mine battling cancer is from Spain

    I’m gett ready to out to the saloon get drunk and watch the contest


  10. mawskrat
    10 | June 27, 2012 2:38 pm

    @ mawskrat:

    and Germany plays tommorrow


  11. RIX
    11 | June 27, 2012 2:40 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yes and they got voted out in 2010 or decided not to run in 2012.

    And Pelosi didn’t bat an eye.
    Oh wait, she can’t bat an eye.


  12. 12 | June 27, 2012 2:40 pm

    @ mawskrat:

    My Grandfather was Galician-Spaniard.

    Vaya Espana!


  13. 13 | June 27, 2012 2:42 pm

    @ Speranza:
    And with them goes the Democrats’ majority in the legislature. It’ll be interesting to see what happens to the party on the Left if Obama goes down in flames in November. Will they fake back to the center? And will anyone believe them if they do?


  14. mawskrat
    14 | June 27, 2012 2:44 pm

    Futbol calls…BBL


  15. Speranza
    15 | June 27, 2012 2:46 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    And with them goes the Democrats’ majority in the legislature. It’ll be interesting to see what happens to the party on the Left if Obama goes down in flames in November. Will they fake back to the center? And will anyone believe them if they do?

    If Obama goes down in November -- I wonder what type of candidate they will be looking for in 2016.


  16. 16 | June 27, 2012 2:49 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The god-king cult is not popular everywhere.


  17. citizen_q
    17 | June 27, 2012 2:54 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    If Obama goes down in November – I wonder what type of candidate they will be looking for in 2016.

    I keep hearing shrillery, not that that means much.


  18. 18 | June 27, 2012 2:55 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    And with them goes the Democrats’ majority in the legislature. It’ll be interesting to see what happens to the party on the Left if Obama goes down in flames in November. Will they fake back to the center? And will anyone believe them if they do?

    It depends on how Romney governs. If he governs like a Liberal, he will be primaried in 2016 or Economic/Fiscal Conservatives will bolt from the GOP and back a 3rd Party.

    The ball will be in Romney’s court.


  19. 19 | June 27, 2012 2:55 pm

    @ Rodan:
    @ citizen_q:

    See my #18.


  20. 20 | June 27, 2012 2:55 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    If Obama goes down in November – I wonder what type of candidate they will be looking for in 2016.

    Aside from Hillary, I can’t think of a single Democrat with national stature; their bench is remarkably weak.


  21. 21 | June 27, 2012 2:56 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    NY Governor Andrew Cuomo. He is an Economic/Fiscal Conservative .


  22. heysoos
    22 | June 27, 2012 2:56 pm

    it will take a while but but the fix is in…liberals drove business out of CA, paid public employees like royalty, bent over for the tree huggers destroying the farming industry, closed off the shores for oil production, etc…fuck them….same for Illinois…liberals are destroying our unique culture….magnificent Chicago is a war zone, CA’s central valley resembles dust bowl Kansas…liberalism in general, is killing us


  23. RIX
    23 | June 27, 2012 3:01 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Aside from Hillary, I can’t think of a single Democrat with national stature; their bench is remarkably weak.

    Oh ,I think Pelosi. The masses are demanding her?/


  24. 24 | June 27, 2012 3:04 pm

    @ RIX:

    See my #21.


  25. citizen_q
    25 | June 27, 2012 3:04 pm

    O/T Lurch speaks!

    Kerry: Don’t ‘Prejudge’ the Muslim Brotherhood

    The chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee warned against “prejudging” the Muslim Brotherhood as Mohammed Morsi became Egypt’s first Islamist president today.

    “During my recent visits to Cairo, I’ve had two candid discussions with the new president. He’s acknowledged that the central issue to Egypt’s future is economic. His words suggest he understands the gravity of the challenges facing Egypt,” Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) said today.

    “In our discussions, Mr. Morsi committed to protecting fundamental freedoms, including women’s rights, minority rights, the right to free expression and assembly, and he said he understood the importance of Egypt’s post-revolutionary relationships with America and Israel,” he added. “Ultimately, just as it is anywhere in the world, actions will matter more than words.”

    Kerry said Egypt faces many challenges, but remains a “bellwether for the long term meaning of the Arab Spring.”

    Kerry, miss lindsey, and mcLame for the core of mo-bro-hood circle jerk.

    What a naive fool kerry is, and so easily played. morsi will promise anything he thinks his jizya bankers want to hear. He will just do it as directed by sharia.

    No wonder the world treats us as fools. They see those we choose as leaders.


  26. heysoos
    26 | June 27, 2012 3:05 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Aside from Hillary, I can’t think of a single Democrat with national stature; their bench is remarkably weak.
    Oh ,I think Pelosi. The masses are demanding her?/

    someone should ask Pelosi if she thinks CA is a model for the rest of America


  27. RIX
    27 | June 27, 2012 3:06 pm

    That little twit Carney called the contempt vote
    on Holder “political theatre”
    Really? Border Agent Brian Terry dead, ICE Agenet Jamie
    Zapata dead, over 300 Mexican nationals dead.
    But, the White House thinks that it should just go away
    & they demonize the investigators.


  28. 28 | June 27, 2012 3:07 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    That man should be in jail for being a traitor. I can’t believe he came winthin 100,000 votes in Ohio from being President.


  29. citizen_q
    29 | June 27, 2012 3:08 pm

    @ Rodan:
    For a moment I though you might say Bloomberg


  30. 30 | June 27, 2012 3:08 pm

    We may have confused Turkish jet for an Israeli one, Syrian minister claims

    “If an Israeli plane enters Syria, it is welcomed by fire. [The Turkish plane] might have been believed to be an Israeli plane; we did not want to take down a Turkish plane,” he said.


  31. RIX
    31 | June 27, 2012 3:10 pm

    @ heysoos:

    someone should ask Pelosi if she thinks CA is a model for the rest of America

    I doubt that she would understand the question.
    I have seen carp fish with more electrical activity
    behind their eyes.


  32. yenta-fada
    32 | June 27, 2012 3:11 pm

    “Waiting to Exhale” from my favorite anti-Moochelle watchers, talks about tomorrow’s important announcements. Also she discusses the ‘last supper’ as the failed Dinner with Barack fundraising scheme.

    @Kafir. This site is for YOU!

    http://newsbird.wordpress.com/


  33. citizen_q
    33 | June 27, 2012 3:11 pm

    @ RIX:
    @ Rodan:

    It is wonder how many truly despicable human beings people leadership positions in the democratic party.


  34. 34 | June 27, 2012 3:12 pm

    @ Kafir:

    It looks like Syria is scared of Turkey. They never would have gotten a shot near an Israeli Jet.


  35. RIX
    35 | June 27, 2012 3:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    See my #21.

    Yeah it could be Coumo.


  36. citizen_q
    36 | June 27, 2012 3:13 pm

    Kafir wrote:

    We may have confused Turkish jet for an Israeli one, Syrian minister claims
    “If an Israeli plane enters Syria, it is welcomed by fire. [The Turkish plane] might have been believed to be an Israeli plane; we did not want to take down a Turkish plane,” he said.

    Let met guess the turkish pilot had a hooked nose?

    /


  37. yenta-fada
    37 | June 27, 2012 3:13 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    someone should ask Pelosi if she thinks CA is a model for the rest of America

    I doubt that she would understand the question.
    I have seen carp fish with more electrical activity
    behind their eyes.

    You spelled ‘carp’ wrong. /


  38. 38 | June 27, 2012 3:14 pm

    Some good news.

    Arizona: Romney 54%, Obama 41%


  39. RIX
    39 | June 27, 2012 3:14 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ RIX:
    @ Rodan:
    It is wonder how many truly despicable human beings people leadership positions in the democratic party.

    The old timers who are in that big precinct in the sky
    would not recognise the modern Dem Party


  40. 40 | June 27, 2012 3:15 pm

    Dems fundraise off pending High Court healthcare decision

    The House Democrats’ campaign arm on Wednesday said if the court strikes down Obama’s law, “Democrats will need to redouble our efforts, fighting to ensure universal healthcare that’s affordable and accessible to every American is a reality.”

    It also warned that a decision against the law means “dangerous Tea Party extremists will go on a rampage.”

    You gotta be fucking kidding me.

    DANGER DANGER!


  41. heysoos
    41 | June 27, 2012 3:15 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Kafir:
    It looks like Syria is scared of Turkey. They never would have gotten a shot near an Israeli Jet.

    they should be…I read the Phantom was unarmed and said so when they realized they were in Syrian airspace


  42. 42 | June 27, 2012 3:15 pm

    @ RIX:

    If Romney governs as a Liberal, Coumo will run to his Right. If Romney and the GOP win this election, the ball will be in their court. They will have no excuses.


  43. 43 | June 27, 2012 3:16 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    LOL! Thanks! {Yenta}!


  44. RIX
    44 | June 27, 2012 3:17 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    You spelled ‘carp’ wrong. /

    Actually Pelosi has plenty of the other spelling.
    Her eyes are brown, because she is crap that high.


  45. 45 | June 27, 2012 3:17 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yeop!

    “Sorry boss, we were going after jooos boss -- no really!”

    :roll:


  46. citizen_q
    46 | June 27, 2012 3:18 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Does Israel even field F4s anymore?

    I have no idea of the make up of Israel’s airforce, but thuds are a rather old platform.

    Funny though, muzzie in trouble? If all else fails find some way to try and blame the Jooooooooossss.


  47. 47 | June 27, 2012 3:19 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    I think they keep them in storage. But no, they don’t have active F-4s.


  48. 48 | June 27, 2012 3:20 pm

    @ Kafir:

    Both Turks and Syrians are scum.


  49. heysoos
    49 | June 27, 2012 3:21 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Does Israel even field F4s anymore?
    I have no idea of the make up of Israel’s airforce, but thuds are a rather old platform.
    Funny though, muzzie in trouble? If all else fails find some way to try and blame the Jooooooooossss.

    to question whether that plane was Israeli or Turkish, illustrates just how stupid the Syrians are


  50. 50 | June 27, 2012 3:21 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Kafir wrote:

    We may have confused Turkish jet for an Israeli one, Syrian minister claims
    “If an Israeli plane enters Syria, it is welcomed by fire. [The Turkish plane] might have been believed to be an Israeli plane; we did not want to take down a Turkish plane,” he said.

    Let met guess the turkish pilot had a hooked nose?

    /

    Well, perhaps the planes they flew did….


  51. citizen_q
    51 | June 27, 2012 3:22 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Guess I should’ve read the article:

    Although the Turkish and Israeli air forces both purchased McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom fighter jets from the United States, the IAF decommissioned its last F-4 in 2004.


  52. yenta-fada
    52 | June 27, 2012 3:22 pm

    @ citizen_q:


  53. yenta-fada
    53 | June 27, 2012 3:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Kafir:

    Both Turks and Syrians are scum.

    I don’t know about Syrians, but I have met very decent Turks who are secular and accomplished. (that does not include my BIL, he’s a jerk)


  54. Speranza
    54 | June 27, 2012 3:24 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    If Obama goes down in November – I wonder what type of candidate they will be looking for in 2016.

    I keep hearing shrillery, not that that means much.

    Hillary Clinton looks increasingly grotesque in all the photographs I see her in.


  55. Speranza
    56 | June 27, 2012 3:25 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    If Obama goes down in November – I wonder what type of candidate they will be looking for in 2016.

    Aside from Hillary, I can’t think of a single Democrat with national stature; their bench is remarkably weak.

    Yes but who could have seen The Amateur from Cook County becoming POTUS?


  56. citizen_q
    57 | June 27, 2012 3:26 pm

    @ Macker:
    I had not looked at it that way. The muzz are so childish and petty in that regard, I bet they would drop the F4 if someone claimed it was a Jewish plane.

    I remember a suadi fatwad against Pokemon, seems it their fevered minds they though Picachu meant I am a Jew, and they did not want their children so corrupted.


  57. Speranza
    58 | June 27, 2012 3:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    NY Governor Andrew Cuomo. He is an Economic/Fiscal Conservative .

    He might go full bore Pataki (you know what I am referring to) on New Yorkers.


  58. yenta-fada
    59 | June 27, 2012 3:26 pm

    Kafir wrote:

    Taliban Praise Muslim Brotherhood Election Victory In Egypt, Calls It “Strong Blow To American And Zionist Expansionism”…

    arrggh. lalalalalala I can’t hear you. / sigh.


  59. Speranza
    60 | June 27, 2012 3:28 pm

    Kafir wrote:

    We may have confused Turkish jet for an Israeli one, Syrian minister claims

    “If an Israeli plane enters Syria, it is welcomed by fire. [The Turkish plane] might have been believed to be an Israeli plane; we did not want to take down a Turkish plane,” he said.

    Oh yeah that rings sincere. Israel does not use F4′s any more (they are in reserve) but uses exclusively F15′s and F-16′s.


  60. 61 | June 27, 2012 3:29 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    I have no use for them.


  61. Speranza
    62 | June 27, 2012 3:29 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Let met guess the turkish pilot had a hooked nose?

    /

    F-4′s have both a pilot and a navigator/weapons officer.


  62. yenta-fada
    63 | June 27, 2012 3:29 pm

    This is cool from newsbird. Live blogging the SCOTUS.

    http://scotusblog.wpengine.com/


  63. 64 | June 27, 2012 3:30 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Pataki was horrible after his first term. He was a puppet of Al D’Amato.


  64. citizen_q
    65 | June 27, 2012 3:31 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    If Obama goes down in November – I wonder what type of candidate they will be looking for in 2016.
    I keep hearing shrillery, not that that means much.

    Hillary Clinton looks increasingly grotesque in all the photographs I see her in.

    Perhaps its the effects of the muslim succubus she has been having a lesbian affair with?


  65. Speranza
    66 | June 27, 2012 3:31 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Pataki was horrible after his first term. He was a puppet of Al D’Amato.

    Dirty Al D’Amato -- the grave digger (along with his stooge George Pataki) of the New York Republican Party.


  66. yenta-fada
    67 | June 27, 2012 3:33 pm

    Another neat pic from newsbird. The Obama’s fundraising fail “The Last Supper”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/26/Obama-to-Host-The-Last-Supper


  67. yenta-fada
    68 | June 27, 2012 3:35 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    If Obama goes down in November – I wonder what type of candidate they will be looking for in 2016.
    I keep hearing shrillery, not that that means much.

    Hillary Clinton looks increasingly grotesque in all the photographs I see her in.

    Perhaps its the effects of the muslim succubus she has been having a lesbian affair with?

    So, if Hillary had become president, the infiltration of the Muslim Brotherhood in America/the world, would have continued at the same pace. There wouldn’t be the racial setback from Oblowhole’s admin though.


  68. 69 | June 27, 2012 3:45 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Well, Obama does see himself as a Christ -like figure …


  69. citizen_q
    70 | June 27, 2012 3:46 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    I don’t know, but it is highly suspicious. Especially in light of the attempts to whitewash (is that raaacist to say?) what the muslim brotherhood is, it goals, and record breaking promises once it has taken its advantage.


  70. citizen_q
    71 | June 27, 2012 3:48 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Well, Obama does see himself as a Christ -like figure …

    I bet he sees himself as a mo-ham-head like figure, but more fabulous.


  71. 72 | June 27, 2012 3:48 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    If you are around tonight, my 8:00 Pm Thread will have yuo rolling. If you’re not around, take a peek.

    :lol:


  72. yenta-fada
    73 | June 27, 2012 3:51 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    I don’t know, but it is highly suspicious. Especially in light of the attempts to whitewash (is that raaacist to say?) what the muslim brotherhood is, it goals, and record breaking promises once it has taken its advantage.

    The Clintons are UN globalist elites. Some things really aren’t that complicated. They have much more brains, polish, and connections, but it’s the same club. WE, despite the Elders of the Protocols, ARE NOT IN IT. The powerful internationalists have more in common with one another than any citizen they claim to represent.


  73. yenta-fada
    75 | June 27, 2012 3:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    If you are around tonight, my 8:00 Pm Thread will have yuo rolling. If you’re not around, take a peek.

    Is it gonna be a white guy? lol lol


  74. citizen_q
    76 | June 27, 2012 3:55 pm

    O/T Well here is a first, a lefty who splody doped in his heart

    ‘Where The Wild Things Are’ Author Wanted To Assassinate Bush And Cheney

    The late Maurice Sendak, famous for authoring Where The Wild Things Are, which has been read by generations of schoolchildren, said he he had considered assassinating former President George W. Bush and former Vice President Dick Cheney. In an interview with Gary Groth of The Comics Journal before his death, Sendak said he had thought about tying a bomb to his shirt, insisting on going to the White House, and asking for a group hug with Bush and First Lady Laura Bush and blowing everyone up.

    “I’d be a hero,” Sendak said. “It would have been a brave and wonderful thing.”

    As Dana Carvey would say a Church Lady on SNL, “Well isn’t that special?!”


  75. 77 | June 27, 2012 3:56 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Has nothing to do with race. Just wait and see and you will be rolling.


  76. 78 | June 27, 2012 3:59 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I probably won’t be around, but I’ll check it out after I get back from the gym in the morning.


  77. huckfunn
    79 | June 27, 2012 4:00 pm

    Romney up 54 to 41 over Obammie in Arizonz. Gee, I wonder why? ///


  78. huckfunn
    80 | June 27, 2012 4:01 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Pay attention, Huck. Rodan already put that up. :razz:


  79. 81 | June 27, 2012 4:01 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Its too funny!

    :lol:


  80. Speranza
    82 | June 27, 2012 4:01 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    So, if Hillary had become president, the infiltration of the Muslim Brotherhood in America/the world, would have continued at the same pace. There wouldn’t be the racial setback from Oblowhole’s admin though.

    In 2008 she only looked good (in a political sense) in comparison to Obama, Kucinich, Gravel, Dodd, and Edwards.


  81. Alberta Oil Peon
    83 | June 27, 2012 4:02 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Meh. Syria knew perfectly well it was a Turkish plane. They probably watched it on radar from the moment it became airborne. They are just spinning in hopes of stopping retaliation by the Turks.


  82. 84 | June 27, 2012 4:04 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    hey its all good. After a slew of bad polls today, some good news is in order!


  83. huckfunn
    85 | June 27, 2012 4:05 pm

    65 percent of Americans say Obama better suited to handle alien invasion than Romney. Aliens from south of the border agree whole heartedly.


  84. Speranza
    86 | June 27, 2012 4:05 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Meh. Syria knew perfectly well it was a Turkish plane. They probably watched it on radar from the moment it became airborne. They are just spinning in hopes of stopping retaliation by the Turks.

    The IAF has a big Star of David for its Air Force rondels.


  85. RIX
    87 | June 27, 2012 4:06 pm

    Congressman Jessie Jackson Jr has been MIA from the
    House for a couple of weeks before his office finally
    had to say something.
    It seems that Jessie jr is somewhere recovering from
    exhastion. They won’t say where.
    His wife Sandy, a Chicago Alderman won’t say where.
    Why would anybody doubt the word of the Jackson family?/


  86. Da_Beerfreak
    88 | June 27, 2012 4:06 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    Does Israel even field F4s anymore?

    I have no idea of the make up of Israel’s airforce, but thuds are a rather old platform.

    Funny though, muzzie in trouble? If all else fails find some way to try and blame the Jooooooooossss.

    The last Israeli F-4s were retired in 2004.


  87. Speranza
    89 | June 27, 2012 4:08 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    As I wrote earlier on this thread -- they fly nothing but different versions of the F-15′s and F-16′s (A, B, C, D, and I models).


  88. Alberta Oil Peon
    90 | June 27, 2012 4:09 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Aha! But there may be an explanation.


  89. 91 | June 27, 2012 4:09 pm

    This is funny!

    Nearly 65% think Barack Obama would be better suited than Mitt Romney to handle an alien invasion.

    Obama does look like an Alien anyway!


  90. Alberta Oil Peon
    92 | June 27, 2012 4:10 pm

    @ RIX:
    How could a guy who has never worked an honest day in his life possibly suffer from exhaustion?


  91. huckfunn
    93 | June 27, 2012 4:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    hey its all good. After a slew of bad polls today, some good news is in order!

    If you’re referring to those Qunnipiac polls on OH, PA and FL, Obama is only leading in those because Quinnipiac boogered the poll sample. As usual, they polled a higher percentage of dims.


  92. 94 | June 27, 2012 4:12 pm

    OK everyone, Charles Johnson has decreed that fast and Furious is a bogus issue!


  93. huckfunn
    95 | June 27, 2012 4:14 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Aha! But there may be an explanation.

    Heh! ack ack…


  94. RIX
    96 | June 27, 2012 4:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    This is funny!
    Nearly 65% think Barack Obama would be better suited than Mitt Romney to handle an alien invasion.
    Obama does look like an Alien anyway!

    I don’t care what they say, I think that they polled
    a Star Trek nconvention.


  95. 97 | June 27, 2012 4:15 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Actually with the Florida one, it was accurate. Obama is running some crazy ads here.

    He has a Spanish Radio Ad one that takes a snippet of Glenn Beck fear mongering about Puerto Rican statehood. The ad goes onto say that Republicans want to kick Puerto Rico out of the US, strip Puerto Ricans of American citizenship and deport them all.

    One big problem, the GOP has supported Puerto Rican statehood since Nixon.

    Romney has to start counter these ads.


  96. RIX
    98 | June 27, 2012 4:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    OK everyone, Charles Johnson has decreed that fast and Furious is a bogus issue!

    Great, now everybody is still alive!
    Fortune interviewed ATF agents involved in the fiasco
    who said that there was nothing wrong.
    This convinces Johnson? WTF?


  97. 99 | June 27, 2012 4:22 pm

    @ RIX:

    Nothing to see!


  98. huckfunn
    100 | June 27, 2012 4:23 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Yes, the FL poll looks to be very close. But here are the polling samples for OH:

    Republican 26% 337
    Democrat 34 422
    Independent 34 417
    Other/DK/NA 5 61

    Here are the samples for PA:

    Republican 29% 394
    Democrat 37 447
    Independent 28 344
    Other/DK/NA 7 67

    Bogus.


  99. 101 | June 27, 2012 4:23 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Oh yeah PA and Ohio are bogus. Those two I saw and was like, come on.


  100. Speranza
    102 | June 27, 2012 4:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    OK everyone, Charles Johnson has decreed that fast and Furious is a bogus issue!

    Brian Terry could not be reached for comment.


  101. 103 | June 27, 2012 4:29 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I just can’t believe that.

    I think we are due for a Chucky thread this week.


  102. RIX
    104 | June 27, 2012 4:30 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Yup


  103. Buckeye Abroad
    105 | June 27, 2012 4:30 pm

    @ Rodan:

    He has a Spanish Radio Ad one that takes a snippet of Glenn Beck fear mongering about Puerto Rican statehood.

    Glenn Beck isn’t running for POTUS or even a public servant.

    BTW- I met a couple of Puerto Ricans in the Army and from they told me, they don’t want statehood.


  104. huckfunn
    106 | June 27, 2012 4:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I think we are due for a Chucky thread this week.

    Groan…


  105. Speranza
    107 | June 27, 2012 4:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I just can’t believe that.
    I think we are due for a Chucky thread this week.

    He’s a demented fat bastard.


  106. 108 | June 27, 2012 4:42 pm

    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    Glenn Beck isn’t running for POTUS or even a public servant.

    That’s the trick the Democrats do with ads. They take a commentator and go one to say they represent the Republican party. Ann Coulter’s commenst are the ones they use most in ads in Florida.

    BTW- I met a couple of Puerto Ricans in the Army and from they told me, they don’t want statehood.

    It’s a very divisive issue on the Island. I’ve read pros and cons and it really is split down there. There is a referendum this November. Heck I’m sure Arizona probably regrets statehood now!
    :lol:


  107. 109 | June 27, 2012 4:42 pm

    @ Speranza:

    he’s a Corpulent Creep!


  108. heysoos
    110 | June 27, 2012 4:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Nothing to see!

    I’m raging next door…and I’m starting to get pissy about this subject


  109. waldensianspirit
    112 | June 27, 2012 4:59 pm

    @ Kafir:
    There is something inside him. It almost kicked through his skin


  110. The Osprey
    113 | June 27, 2012 5:24 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    65 percent of Americans say Obama better suited to handle alien invasion than Romney. Aliens from south of the border agree whole heartedly.

    All those Will Smith movies like “Independence Day” and “Men In Black” and its interminable sequels have convinced them that only a Magic Negro™ can save humanity from aliens. If a white guy did it, liberals would scream that he was being “Terracentric” and “Zeta Reticuli-phobic”.


  111. 114 | June 27, 2012 5:33 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    :lol:

    Ha ha ha, That’s true!


  112. 115 | June 27, 2012 5:33 pm

    New thread.


  113. Speranza
    116 | June 27, 2012 5:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    he’s a Corpulent Creep!

    and aging corpulent creep.


  114. Lily
    117 | June 27, 2012 6:46 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    O/T Well here is a first, a lefty who splody doped in his heart

    ‘Where The Wild Things Are’ Author Wanted To Assassinate Bush And Cheney

    The late Maurice Sendak, famous for authoring Where The Wild Things Are, which has been read by generations of schoolchildren, said he he had considered assassinating former President George W. Bush and former Vice President Dick Cheney. In an interview with Gary Groth of The Comics Journal before his death, Sendak said he had thought about tying a bomb to his shirt, insisting on going to the White House, and asking for a group hug with Bush and First Lady Laura Bush and blowing everyone up.

    “I’d be a hero,” Sendak said. “It would have been a brave and wonderful thing.”

    As Dana Carvey would say a Church Lady on SNL, “Well isn’t that special?!”

    Isn’t that the book the obama’s read to the children on Easter???? To me it seemed an odd choice to read to children on Easter instead of a Easter Bunny themed book and all. ‘Where The Wild Things Are’ seemed very inapproiate to me to read on a religious holiday.
    /I don’t believe in coincidences.


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