This is it people. Today’s ruling will determine our future. At 10:00 AM EST, the Supreme Court will rule if Obamacare is Constitutional. This is a ruling that will effect life or death for us. Obamacare is a step towards government control over people’s lives. A government panel will determine who can live or die. This opens up the door to eugenics and the Progressive dream of the perfect man.
Keep your fingers crossed people. I will update the thread when the ruling comes down.
Update: The mandate is upheld as a Tax. Thanks to Bush appointee John Roberts.
If anyone thinks that Liberal Republicans like Mitt Romney, John Boehner and Mitch McConnell will repeal this, you are dreaming. The Progressives have won. We need a Real Center-Right Party in America.
Tags: death panels, Eugenics, supreme court
The whole world is holding its collective breath….
Pray that this turd of a law is struck down in it’s entirety today- for the good of our nation. This back-door socialist bill aims to take over a major sector of the economy, and if it succeeds, then which industry is next? The goal is to have everyone dependent on the government, and voting reliably as Democrats every election cycle.
This is interesting. Intrade is a site where you can trade shares (essentially bet) on just about any issue. This morning the index is showing a 70% chance that the mandate will be tossed. This morning I’ve seen a high of 76 and a low of 62.
@ tunnelrat:
@ huckfunn:
@ Macker:
This could fundamentally transform the relationship between Government and citizens.
@ Rodan:
Indeed! Yesterday Rush said if they uphold the whole thing, repeal it. If they strike the mandate but uphold the rest, repeal what’s left. If they strike the whole thing, repeal it. Obamacare is a vampire. A stake must be driven through its heart.
@ huckfunn:
The goal of Obamcare is Eugenics.
@ huckfunn:
I also wonder if the House is timing their vote based on the SCOTUS result….
44 Minutes.
Rodan wrote:
KHAAAN!
@ Macker:
Maybe this is how they will spike the football of striking down Obamacare. Vote Holder in contempt right after the SCOTUS knocks it down. 1 -- 2 punch!!!
That should be fun:-)
Wish he’d hand the reigns over to Joe and walk out
I’ve been up since 4:00 am and I off work this week. It’s like Xmas Eve. I’m Frigging vacuuming to kill time.
Macker wrote:
I’m not sure of the House schedule but SCOTUS is due to release their ruling sometime after 1000 Eastern. I suppose that means they could leave us hanging all day. Kinda like the cable guy. “We’ll be there promptly between 8AM and 5PM”. At any rate, 10AM sounds a bit early for getting anything done in Congress.
Gee, I wonder if Obama regrets humiliating the Supreme Court on national TV for the Citizens United ruling?
Fast & Furious, the lousy jobs numbers, the Supreme Court decision(assuming it goes our way) -- this has not been a good two months for him.
@ Carolina Girl:
I’m nervous as a cat in a room full of rocking chairs. I want this done, one way or another. I am damn near useless right now. Just waiting for the decision …
@ huckfunn:
It is, particularly if there’s going to be any debate prior to the vote.
@ Iron Fist:
Yea, I’m kicking off hudson sw builds I’m that useful right now
Iron Fist wrote:
I’m watching a TV show about hyenas.
Seems oddly appropriate…
Rodan wrote:
I see the goal of embalm-a-care is for the grabbermint to maximize it’s return on it’s herd.
Beck said it and I think he was on to something. Our elites see themselves as farmers and we the people are cattle to managed for their benefit.
lobo91 wrote:
The Congressional Black Caucus is planning to walk out during, or prior to the vote. The sooner the better.
@ Iron Fist:
If I were a drinking man, I’d be hitting the bottle right about now, regardless of the result. But I’m not, and I have some Stella Artois reserved for this evening, in case the result is a good one.
[VLAAAAAMS BELAAAAANG!] 8)
Hopefully Scalia’s question of the 8th Amendment grew on the others too while reading the damn thing
huckfunn wrote:
Oh! Please do!
@ huckfunn:
Good to see that they’re into the whole “post-racial” thing…
@ Iron Fist:
This will help you kill a few minutes: Why Nothing Is Shovel-Ready Anymore http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/06/27/why-nothing-is-shovel-ready-anymore-2/
@ huckfunn:
And there will be Allen West standing strong
waldensianspirit wrote:
Absolutely! Did the CBC kick him out or did he quit?
@ Macker:
I’m not a drinking man anymore, and I don’t think they’d appreciate it if I got hammered here at my new job. Otherwise I’d be tempted …
any single piece of legislation that is 2100 pages and so complex, few can even understand it, should be struck down…that’s almost comedy
heysoos wrote:
But we have to first pass the legislation before we learn what is in it. //
@ Carolina Girl:
You’ve missed the me and Speranza emails!
@ huckfunn:
How about they permanently walk out and move to the Marxist paradise of North Korea. They can take the Progressive Cacus with them.
@ citizen_q:
Pol Pot’s Cambodia was the blueprint.
@ Speranza:
well the CBO has already trashed the original numbers…this thing is so cumbersome and sprawling that nobody really knows shit…alot of phoney numbers, hidden costs…it’s just to big
Sheesh listening to Obama do medical cases is so grating
@ Iron Fist:
Обама notwithstanding, I have every right to be as you know. But I choose not to. I am praying so hard right now.
@ heysoos:
There was a ton of double-counting, too.
The entire “scoring” that was done prior to its passage was a fraud.
@ Rodan:
SCOTUS blog says decision at 10:15.
@ Macker:
Good luck, man. It’s tough, I know.
@ Rodan:
I have RAS so I can get into work email.
Shower and a fresh pot of coffee. Pre-mixed margaritas for later.
@ Carolina Girl:
Oh man. My stomach is churning!
Jumping from here to Twitter to Weasel Zippers. I need to bring out laptop so all can be open at the same time.
@ Rodan:
Easy man. Deep breaths.. Its just your future and the future of the country. No pressure.
@ MikeA:
This is torment.
Downloading Chess soundtrack from iTunes……
@ Carolina Girl:
I wonder if Charles is up? What that idiot doesn’t relieve he would be one of the people the death panels pull care from.
Carolina Girl wrote:
I know. I can’t focus on anything and I need to pack for family vacation. Figured I’d be better off spending time here rather than pacing by myself!
@ Rodan:
Maybe. I’m sure he’ll be scouring the Internet for an article to pinch and then write an incoherent unintelligent paragraph to accompany it.
And the envelope, please…
I am going to break something-ANNOUNCE IT DARN IT!!!
I’m scared
@ eaglesoars:
Me too. Very scared.
Carolina Girl wrote:
Did you see the side by side picture of Carvil and Gollum?
@ Carolina Girl:
If the Court upholds Obamacare, Charles will claim credit.
eaglesoars wrote:
Welcome to the club!
@ Rodan:
Now I’m going to throw up.
First ruling -- lying about medals can’t be prosecuted. I agree -- distasteful and scummy but not criminal.
@ Carolina Girl:
Agreed.
First ruling is that Stolen valor deemed constitutional. That’s so BS and an insult to our troops.
@ Rodan:
But we can use our First Amendment rights to heckle the heck out of them.
@ Carolina Girl:
Fair point!
anybody have a video link?
@ livefreeor die:
By “They” I mean the lying scum.
@ Rodan:
@ livefreeor die:
livefreeor die can throw up some more. selrahC will ejaculate all over his keyboard and monitor.
@ Macker:
Oh great, there’s an image I needed.
Carolina Girl wrote:
I expected that
Torture! Tooooorture!
This ruling is taking longer than an imam at a Bangldeshi wedding. (first hand knowledge)
Mandate struck
YES!!!
Individual Mandate UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
SCOTUSblog has Обама opinion! they are parsing it now.
@ huckfunn:
WHOO HOO!!!!!
Let the gnashing of teeth begin!!!!
Really? REALLY!!!
WHEEEEEEE!
It’s 5:00 somewhere!!
@ MacDuff:
@ eaglesoars:
@ huckfunn:
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any links?
YESSSSSSSSS!!!!
Fox has video outside the Court
Whoo hooo!
SCOTUSblog says it survives as a TAX
Whoah-I’m getting dizzy from all the spinning the media has already started!
as a tax?? what??
Mandate Gone…
heysoos wrote:
http://video.foxnews.com/video-live-streaming.html?video_id=1155606218001
as a tax?
livefreeor die wrote:
France 24 announced it as a “huge victory for Obama”
10:08
Amy Howe: The individual mandate survives as a tax.
10:09
Amy Howe: It’s very complicated, so we’re still figuring it out.
10:10
Kali: We are still here. Don’t worry.
10:10
Tom: So the mandate is constitutional. Chief Justice Roberts joins the left of the Court.
10:11
Amy Howe: The Medicaid provision is limited but not invalidated.
Mandate stands
Shit. Now they’re saying it survives as a TAX?
Individual mandate survives as a tax?
WTF!
Wait-how can it be unconstitutional but be a tax?
The existing Stolen Valor law went down, too.
a tax is no different than a mandate…
what the hell?
Apparently Roberts voted with the leftists.
@ livefreeor die:
It is “constitutional”
Okay, well now we have to elect Romney to get rid of this horror.
Medicaid expansion was shot down, however.
Kennedy Dissent and Roberts upheld the Mandate as a Tax. yeah Republicans appoint great Judges.
Another failure at the Supreme Court.
lobo91 wrote:
That’s what I heard.
lobo91 wrote:
Yup, great appointment huh!
I think Roberts voted it to stand because, as a Tax, there’s that stupid-ass law which says you CANNOT challenge a Tax until after it goes into effect.
God damn Faggots!
Thank You Bush for appointing a phoney.
lobo91 wrote:
Not with. As.
We just need to be sure that we hold Congress, take the Senate and fire Barry. Then kill this monstrosity.
Rodan wrote:
I wonder how Обама blackmailed him…..
I’m reserving judgment until I see the opinions.
Another Progressive victory thanks to a Republican.
Kennedy voted mandate down?!?!?!?!?!!!!
If I understand this correctly, SCOTUS said Congress has the power to tax -- but won’t they will have to pass legislation to do it -
Rodan wrote:
now you know why I don’t take sides…turn your back on one and get fucked by the other
We are, as Kirly says, doomed.
I’m watching Bloomberg now. Stocks for the big health insurance companies are shooting up.
so the whole thing can be killed via tax legislation….back to the trenches
@ heysoos:
Yup, Republican and Democratic Parties are both Progressives. They just disagree on Social issues. Screw them both.
it’s a reasonable call IMO, given what the court had to work with
I was just ready to increase my salary by 6k. But the SCOTUS just shot it down
John Roberts does it to us again…
@ Speranza:
That great Bush family and their appointees, aint they awesome!
The headline should read “Court Upholds Congress’ Ability to Screw Some Americans On Behalf of Other Americans”
Gawd, I had a bad feeling about this…..
heysoos wrote:
That’s the way I’m hearing it. Keep in mind what this might mean for the election. Obama is going to be walking on air. So is Pelosi. That will make them feel like winners. Not a good thing.
Now do you get it on the RINO’s as in the Bush’s, McCain, RNC.
They are in a two party evil money cult together aginst U.S..
eaglesoars wrote:
Nope, they can just print and spend like they are doing.
The Progressives have won.
Next up. The Pharaoh-in-Chief ™ can now mandate that you must by a Chevy Volt. If you don’t, they can levy a tax on you for non-compliance. The relationship between the citizen and the government is forever changed.
taxfreekiller wrote:
Only the Libertarian party is really for Freedom.
Well I am screwed. Dont guess that lung transplant the dr. said i will probably need in 5 to 10 years will happen. I will be to old for it,and wont get to see my girl grow up past 20.years old. I am so mad.
@ huckfunn:
Yup, a Republican appointee sides with the Left. The Progressives have won. next up: Eugenics.
eaglesoars wrote:
the mandate is essentially a tax, which has to originate and pass the House…how else could they have ruled?
On being a fighter:
12 Americans, lost in Laos, the guys in the air can not find us, the others in Signgone will not answer the comm. the NVA got dogs on the trail, all’s we got is feet, ammo, and will. The compass, maps, and Mr. Chin (ROK). It was all we needed.
Vote out the RINO’s, ingnore the commie Democrats, take the country back. If it was easy Obama would be doing it.
Rodan wrote:
The people need to take their rage out on Congress and Obama. Fire them all!
@ Rodan:
it will never pass the House, not for a good long while…I see it as a draw at this point
If the “mandate” survives as a “tax”, doesn’t Congress have to pass it as a “tax”?
They “rule” that is the base of the problem.
This county is not ruled, We the People, rule ourselves.
Keep it simple and do not follow the commie lie line.
Just because the lie and tell U.S. they rule does not make it so.@ heysoos:
I guess I’ll go work on some work.
Later…
Did the SCOTUS just vote ‘present’?
eaglesoars wrote:
The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate.
@ MacDuff:
I think so. I think the only way they could pass it with all the little legislative tricks they pulled was for it not to be a tax.
Also, the opinion notes that states can’t have Medicaid funding pulled if they choose not to take part in the plan. I view that as the states now have an easier time of refusing to take part in Obamacare.
If all the states don’t take part, it’s dead.
gotta go.
Do not be troubled. This is not over and regardless of what the pundits are saying, I don’t think this is a win for the Obama admin.
@ MacDuff:
Why bother? Just print and spend! It’s so much fun
@ yenta-fada:
Big Time.
Gonzales called it ahead of time-Roberts punted.
Hey They will Tax us to but electric cars. They will Tax us to buy organic foods. We have lost our liberty.
doriangrey wrote:
yup, a good old tax revolt…my favorite slap at the feds
@ doriangrey:
Did they tell the IRS?
taxfreekiller wrote:
indeed. It’s not over until we give up -- which I have NO intention of doing.
@ eaglesoars:
Yup. I have to go read this thing-the Medicaid thing might actually be the ruling that takes it down.
I think all of us wanted to see him rebuked Constitutionally, given the fact he has essentially taken a shit on it multiple times since he has been in office.
Not sure what all of this means just yet, but one can always hope there might be an end game around this we do not see yet.
Rodan wrote:
it’s how the govt controls you, through your finances and since almost half the people don’t pay any, the shift in wealth to pay for this law is going to be monumental
livefreeor die wrote:
That’s the way it seems to me. They’ve technically upheld it, but the states don’t seem obligated to participate and -- more than half of the states joined in the suit in the first place.
Formercorpsman wrote:
agreed…it’s far from over, just kicked down the road
Kennedy wrote the dissent! “In our view, the entire Act before us is invalid in its entirety.”
We can thank Romney for this as well. He’s the father of Obamacare via Romneycare.
Yeah the GOP is Center-Right/Conservatives.
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Bet Holder skates
@ huckfunn:
Exactly. This essentially says that there is nothing of government can’t mandate. They just call it a tax. They can mandate that you be a member of a gym. That you work out regularly. Hell that you have a minimum number of gay lovers. They can do anything.
Iron Fist wrote:
Mayor Bloomberg would love that.
@ Iron Fist:
They will Tax you go to Muslim Outreach Center.
I would now say our course of action is clear:
1) Elect Romney, Keep the House, Take the Senate.
2) 11/07/2012 to 01/03/2013 -- Romney and new Congressional Leaders, outside the Lame Duck Session, work to draft legislation to repeal Обамаcare.
3) 01/03/2013 to 01/19/2013 -- New Congress passes said legislation to repeal.
4) 01/20/2013 -- President Romney signs it.
The court actually upheld that Obamacare cannot be justified by the commerce clause, so I think we’re safe on having to buy Volts unless it’s a tax.
@ Macker:
Dream on.
Romney=Liberal
Boehner=Liberal
McConnell=Liberal
I’m done with the GOProgressives. That said good luck to you guys.
@ Speranza:
Bloomberg is coming up with Tax to force you to eat Carrots.
this just illustrates how important the House is…it’s where the real action is and why Speakers are so powerful…the Court is only telling us what’s true…mandates handed down by cabal is unconstitutional, where taxation isn’t….got to fight it out again…I see no other way around it
Macker wrote:
We need to get our conservative congressional representatives to write a “Mandate” requiring all legal citizens over the age of 18 to purchase a firearm and intact a massive tax penalty for those who do not.
@ doriangrey:
How about a Tax to force people to buy Stout Hemp Rope?
I’m focusing on Charles and the Islamic threat. I’m done with the Republican vs. Democrat pissing match. Both are Progressives who disagree on Social issues. neither one if Conservatives or Free Markets. Screw them both. That said I hold no ill will towards Republicans who are Conservatives. But as Roberts prove, its a Progressive party.
Iron Fist wrote:
This is actually exactly what happened with Social Security, 75 or so years ago. FDR sold it to the public as a “retirement account,” and when it was challenged in court, he said it was a tax. That argument worked back then, and it worked today.
Was how they passed Obamacare legal if it is a tax? I thought they intentionally didn’t call it a tax in order to force it through procedurally?
Btw, Obama is a pro at getting around rules like “you may not punish States for not buying in”. He’s laughing his ass off
@ lobo91:
Hey they will force Dog Owners to buy Cats with a Tax! Leia will have a pal soon!
@ waldensianspirit:
Yup, another victory for the god-king/Pharaoh/Caligula.
Maybe they will Tax us to learn Arabic!
@ Rodan:
@ Rodan:
the tax will not survive the House…Romney should use this ruling to drive his economic issue, rally indies and hopefully use it against BO…and when the GOP controls the Senate, then the entire shebang can be dumped….it’s not over by a long shot
livefreeor die wrote:
It’s irrelevant, because the courts can’t rule on House or Senate rules or procedures.
livefreeor die wrote:
they did and they lost…I don’t see how it’s much of a victory for BO
My future has been ruined. I am lucky to have seen America’s glory days. Now we will have anemic growth, debt and just be bankrupted.
Reagan was just a brief shining light in the Progressive Dark Ages that has descended on us since that Racist KKK scumbag Woodrow Wilson. May his soul burn in hell.
@ heysoos:
I’ll believe it when I see it.
The media will tell the people it is constitutional and they must comply. Done
livefreeor die wrote:
Obama specifically said it wasn’t a tax. The Supreme Court says it is a tax.
It seems to me that if it’s a tax, it should specifically be passed as a tax. This is bait and switch on an historic scale.
Cantor has scheduled Obamacare repeal vote for week of July 9th
This is John McCain’s fault. He was such a bad candidate, he dragged down a number of other Republicans who lost by narrow margins. Had they won, Obama would not have had a filibuster proof Senate. Good going Maverick!
@ MacDuff:
the Court just sorted out the language and kicked it back to the House…what else could they do?….nothing unConstitutional about the rest of this beast…it’s got to funded via taxation
Rodan wrote:
Works for me…
Obama promised not to raise taxes on anyone making under $250K, but has just imposed a national health care tax on everyone.
Sounds like a simple enough campaign message.
Obama is on record saying that the mandate is NOT a tax.
@ MacDuff:
Here’s the first paragraph of the opinion, which includes a quote right from the bill:
That pretty much sums it up.
Well, the republic was a good thing while it lasted…
Carolina Girl wrote:
Good, a lot of new Tea Party representatives in the House who will be glad to rip this thing to shreds.
This has made me completely lose faith in our supreme court. It is simply a rubber stamp for the sitting POTUS and nothing more.
The decision opens the floodgates for any industry to now be taken over by the federal government. Who is next- Energy? Media? Automobile industry? We have passed the tipping point of losing our liberty and are now on the slippery slope to tyranny.
Romney needs to come out of the gate swinging that he will unequivocally sign a repeal of Obamacare. Stocks are tumbling this am. Obamacare NOT good for economy.
@ lobo91:
And how is a guy out of work gonna pay that?
@ doriangrey:
Also Reid will have to allow a vote in the Senate. A lot of Dem senators are probably worried about holding their seats right about now.
tunnelrat wrote:
how else could they have ruled fairly?
lobo91 wrote:
Hmmm, so basically SCOTUS kicked it back to the House and said this is a tax increase and must be redefined as such.
@ Speranza:
Not to mention the traitor Arlen Specter. He is proof that RINOs aren’t worth having. They just soak up resources that could be used to elect real Republicans.
Carolina Girl wrote:
right…in the long run I see this ruling as a good thing…without the funding the entire POS is useless
Carolina Girl wrote:
Hmmm, makes one wonder what is going to happen with the Holder contempt vote this afternoon.
People will be terribly unhappy with their healthcare ten years from now, but it won’t matter- BHO will be long gone. Then it will cost additional trillions of dollars to try to find remedies.
Why do the Republicans appoint so many horrible supreme court justices? We are looking at another 30 years of John Souter Roberts fucking over our nation and stealing our liberties.
Well the Holder contempt vote is going to be held in the House chamber were a majority of the members are going to be in an extremely pissed off mood.
Tough luck Eric.
@ doriangrey:
Not at all. It was ruled as faling within Congress’ power to levy taxes. No new legislation is needed to enforce it.
@ lobo91:
how can that be?…no legislation would be a mandate, and taxes are not just imposed, they are voted on
@ tunnelrat:
You are exactly right. This is a long term strategy. Things will be so bad in a decade that they’ll be able to sell the Public Option as something to save us from ObamaCare. We are doomed.
Speranza wrote:
Unfortunatly IMHO no matter who was on the democratic party ticket was going to win…McCain (as poor as he ran his campaign) didn’t stand a chance. There was so much hate-on the Republicans that no matter who the Republicans put up they were going to lose. Not to mention the democrats put up obama!!!!
if this doesn’t go back to the House, something is very wrong
heysoos wrote:
Already been voted on. Doesn’t matter that Obama said it wasn’t a tax. It passed. Full speed ahead
waldensianspirit wrote:
Precisely
heysoos wrote:
The courts don’t send laws “back to Congress.” They either uphold them or strike them down, in whole or in part.
A comment from Legal Insurrection
Here’s the key reasoning:
This blows.
so it was sold and passed as a mandate, the Court simply changes the lingo and off we go?….that’s deceit at worst and sure backhanded
Pelosi’s gonna get out her big imitation gavel and make a victory lap around the rotunda
@ lobo91:
Perhaps I’m just thick (perhaps?), but it seems that a “tax” should be specifically passed as a “tax” and this thing was sold as anything BUT a tax. I’m not really arguing, I’m just confused. It seems that a law was passed that was described as X, suit was filed that stated that X was unconstitutional and the Court said it was Constitutional, but only if we called it Y. How can you change the nature and meaning of a law after it’s passed?
@ waldensianspirit:
Exactly right. This is the ultimate check off on it. There is no appeal from here. It makes me wonder how the Court will decide when Obama’s war on the Catholic Church comes before them.
@ MacDuff:
my issue as well…I dunno bro
heysoos wrote:
The Court didn’t change anything.
The language making the penalty for not having insurance a tax penalty paid to the IRS is in the bill. They wrote it that way on purpose.
@ lobo91:
Damned if it doesn’t make sense in a very infuriating way.
@ lobo91:
Again what’s a poor man without income going to do?
@ MacDuff:
See #214 above.
what a waste of time….the court could have made a one sentence statement at the time it passed….hahaha! we are such stooges…
they sure had me fooled
mandate, penalty, tax
it’s all the same
I was wrong
waldensianspirit wrote:
If your income is below 133% of the poverty line, you’ll be eligible for Medicaid.
Contrary to what people have said, the Medicaid expansion wasn’t overturned. What was overturned was the threat to withhold 100% of a state’s Medicaid funds if they didn’t go along. They can still withhold the portion allocated to pay for the expansion itself.
hide your money from the IRS, and bug out under the radar like I have
@ lobo91:
yes but not paying insurance says they owe the IRS. Just for breathing
heysoos wrote:
What money?
doriangrey wrote:
I pray that this happens! Not really sure exactly striking doing the mandate but upholding it up as tax means…but it doesn’t sound like what we wanted and from your post it does seem like there may be some hope to ending this disaster. I honestly don’t understand how they came to this conclusion.
Thank God my son is getting his eyes corrected NOW…because I KNOW obamacare would deem him unworthy of any help other than take a pill.
waldensianspirit wrote:
If they’re not covered by an exemption.
One of which is for having income below 133% of the poverty line.
@ waldensianspirit:
no way around it unless you are broke or appear broke
The Crimsonocracy strikes again!!
Incest.
@ lobo91:
then you are good to go…the feds will cover you with tax dollars….since 50% of the people don’t pay any tax, that’s the massive transfer, from them to you
@ Lily:
The mandate wasn’t struck down, it was upheld.
The government made two separate arguments as to why they thought it was within their power to impose. One was the Commerce Clause, and the other was as a tax. The Court shot down the Commerce Clause argument, but went along with the tax one.
@ waldensianspirit:
Not to make light on your situation, but to point out one of the hypocrisies of embalm-a-care, you could become a muslim. Weren’t they exempted? Something about islam looking on health insurance as a kind of gambling if I remember correctly.
heysoos wrote:
Not according to the way it is written. “not owning health insurance—that triggers a tax—the required payment to the IRS“
@ citizen_q:
your kidding, right?
@ lobo91:
Harvard Law knew what it was doing.
@ lobo91:
Yep
We’re screwed. A narrow, divisive ruling. The only thing we can do is vote the motherfuckers out.
A construct of lies, cemented together by bolder lies.
A farmer plants wheat, he feeds it to his cows, the cows raise calves he sells the calves.
U.S. Surpreme Court “rules” the fact he with holds his wheat from sale is “interstate commerce”.
This ruling was the lie mixture of the base of all this fraud and lies.
They now compound the lies with double down cards obtained by the orgianl fraud.
The whole of the U.S. Goverment is now based on only their self full filling lies aginst the constitution and rule of law.
We are Free People who rule ourselves or we are not and only We will be able to make the choice.
Time to chose.
waldensianspirit wrote:
I dunno boss…I assumed that meant people that could afford it but don’t want it…thus the penalty to finance those that have nothing….you can’t get blood out of a turnip
heysoos wrote:
About becoming a muslim yes. About muslims being exempted, this what I have heard. If that is incorrect, I would like to know.
Expect layoffs and more jobs to go over seas
@ taxfreekiller:
No, it wasn’t. They specifically rejected the Commerce Clause argument, which is what you’re talking about.
@ citizen_q:
Yea I wonder if SCOTUS even bothered to address all the exemptions given to Obama’s “friends”
DOW down 13o points.
Gold took a $30.00 per oz fall just as the news broke.
Hospital stocks down.
Ins. stocks up.
Commies smirk.
A tax is a penalty on being productive.
It’s time to stop being productive.
Romney went to Harvard Law, too.
I’m getting pretty tired of these folks that went to Harvard Law school.
Let’s hope Romney breaks the mold.
@ Da_Beerfreak:
that’s my theory…people don’t like it but it’s how I’m surviving right now….I’m indigent
That case is the base of the lies they now use.
Once you let lies live you inch by inch loose your freedom.
That case must be over turned and every member of the House and Senate who voted for this crime must be voted out.
There is not in between between a slave and a free man.
It is a yes or no deal.
Half slaves do not exist.@ lobo91:
@ Bumr50:
He won’t. Even if he gets in the next 4 years are going to be a shock to conservatives.
Theres still hope. He is saying all the right things.
@ Bumr50:
So far, so good. Git him Mitt.
@ waldensianspirit:
Just one of the many many foul aspects of this entire debacle.
What’s next, are they going to tax my estate if I don’t recycle my body with organ donation because organ donation is the right thing to do?
Time for a Mandatory Federal Firearms Law, Enter the Affordable Firearms Act.
Let us then in that case see how the ruling on the Affordable Care Act stands up when worded thusly.
See §5000A(b). That, according to the Government, means the mandate can be regarded as establishing a condition—not owning
health insuranceA Firearm—that triggers a tax—the required payment to the IRS. Under that theory, the mandate is not a legal command to buyinsurancea Firearm. Rather, it makes going withoutinsurancea Firearm just another thing the Government taxes, like buying gasoline or earn-ing income.lobo91 wrote:
Good night in Georgia! This is even worse than I thought. D.C. has become full blown CRAZY TOWN!!!!
/one off shoot that may occur is that it will fire up the base for the Republicans and others who see this as horrific ruling.
waldensianspirit wrote:
No, because those weren’t part of the case in question.
@ lobo91:
Ah, but it shows how the actual implementation will deviate to profit Obama and his cronies
waldensianspirit wrote:
Not exactly a surprise…
I know it’s a dumb question but: is this now a victory for O. ?
Guggi wrote:
Basically.
Although an awful lot of people are against it, so it may cost him in November.
@ Lily:
Yes, in terms of the election this could be a good thing. My wife said Romney issued a good statement about it. That the only way to repeal this is to elect him. He’s right there. But this is an awful decision. Congress can require just about anything if they phrase it as a tax. It will be interesting to see what happens to the war on Catholic Church next.
Bumr50 wrote:
Yes it does in so many ways. No wonder obama was never worried about it going through.
/For me right now nothing is a given. Even if the pundits and whatever way the wind blows says nothing is a shoo-in this year…nothing.
@ Speranza:
That in and of itself is an interesting quote. He is as you said essentially telling the American people to finish what we started in 2010.
@ lobo91:
The local rock station had a call-in session on it yesterday.
I was at work and unable to change the station.
It was pleasantly surprising how many people seem to get it, as opposed to those who compared it to auto insurance.
Anyone feeling a little bit better about Romney now ? I think he was as close to Reaganesque as he could be in his response …
Iron Fist wrote:
The Catholic Church is at WAR with obama…it will be very unwise for him to double-down on the Catholic Church…but I am sure he will do this. The Catholic Church will not go down easy with this liar…
@ Iron Fist:
This decision doesn’t set any new precedent. Congress has always had that power (or at least they have since the ratification of the 16th Amendment, which let them tax individuals).
They just haven’t used it that much. It’s exactly how Social Security was allowed to stand, though, so it’s not a new idea.
Now, if they’d accepted the Commerce Clause argument, then that would have been an awful decision.
4_Sticks wrote:
I have always felt he would do better than many people thought he would. Give the man time. Like Dorian said..Reagan wasn’t Reagan till he became president.
The Romney bashing is very pre-mature.
(sorry Rodan for saying that ….not meaning to upset you here)
I hope and pray that this isn’t somehow an indicator that the Zero in Chief is going to win in November. Because just thinking about it makes my head swim.
lobo91 wrote:
I would say it is a desastrous defeat for the Reps/Tea Party
Hell, Obama just lied in the first paragraph of his speech.
He said that the Court “affirmed” the “principles” behind Obamacare.
All they said was that it was constitutional as a tax increase, not that it was a good idea.
4_Sticks wrote:
Andrea Saul @andreamsaul
.@MittRomney has raised $375k and counting for #FullRepeal
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Urban Infidel wrote:
This is my fear.
citizen_q wrote:
The whole “because it’s the right thing to do” as justification is troublesome because it’s so open-ended in its scope. Defense of the life or liberty of persons in domestic and foreign situations can be justified by its clear “rightness”, but opening the Pandora’s Box of social services is another matter.
Guggi wrote:
I don’t think so. The people who like it are already going to vote for him. The ones who don’t just got another reason to vote against him.
Guggi wrote:
Wrong. It will illuminate the importance of this coming election.
@ Iron Fist:
Once people realize that if they don’t have insurance THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY A DAMN TAX (really a penalty) hopefully they will see that this crap is bad.
I turned off the TV.
Can’t take the sound of his voice.
Obama, GET OUT OF MY LIFE!
lobo91 wrote:
Personally, I think it may have the effect of bringing some support Romney’s way. There’s a lot of dissent on this law and this ruling keeps that issue on the table.
@ lobo91:
@ Speranza:
Let’s hope so, by goodness!
@ Lily:
The “penalty” will be seen as a cheaper alternative, and people will just pay or not pay it.
It will make premiums skyrocket for the rest of us.
As it was designed to do.
Obamacare is just a cleverly designed stepping stone to single-payer, state-run health care.
Obama’s role is destroyer.
Urban Infidel wrote:
It’s not your life. Obama just lets you borrow it.
//
If O. fails in November can Obamacare be revoked ?
Urban Infidel wrote:
AMEN! And HERE…HERE!!!!
/the only thing (which may be a good thing) is that obama can’t run on a whine fest because this was struck down and Romney can go after him like gang-busters. (They have just lost the damn race card IMHO)
Bumr50 wrote:
Indeed and he is doing a very good job at it. Disgusting on so many levels.
The SS ruling by the Supreme Court too was a lie based deal by the commie commie Pres. of the time commie packed court.
Same type deal they lied about it in the congress to get it passed then went with “tax” in the courts.
It is all lie based thus all of it unconstitutional.
The commie’s only know to live by the lie.@ lobo91:
Guggi wrote:
I think the states have a right to sue to overturn it. I’m guessing NY won’t.
@ Bumr50:
You won’t have a choice about paying the penalty. When you owe the IRS money, they take it out of your paycheck.
Of course it is. There won’t be any private health insurance policies in a few years, so it won’t be an issue.
Yes and it will be now or within 8 years all of the commie law lies are on their death bed now.@ Guggi:
@ Lily:
I was ‘impressed’ actually … wasn’t expecting much since he/Reps have been mum on Arizona etc. I’m now convinced its been part of a strategy to do so rather than a lack of will/nerve. He can sound presidential and tell it like it is when they he/they feel its appropriate -- strategically at least.
I watched him on FOX give his response then just heard it played back (no video) on Rushs show. No video, he sounded very much Reaganesque.
@ MacDuff:
Yes, there was always the danger that if the Supreme Court threw out ObamaCare then people for whom that was a motivating factor would just stay home on election day. I don’t know how likely that was, but it is off the table now. People who are against ObamaCare have a reason to go vote now.
MacDuff wrote:
Agreed. This will not sit well the Independents that just want to be left the hell alone by the Nanny State.
Guggi wrote:
If Romney wins, and Republicans get control of the Senate and hold the House, then it can be repealed.
Same thing will go on as with “no beer laws” Americans will find a way around this crime family in D.C..
Cash only (gold) Doctors operating out of their underground speak easy office.
@ lobo91:
When doesn’t the man lie? I mean everything he says just about is a damn lie. It would be easier keeping track of him not lying than his lies. There are so many of them.
Can anyone think of him telling the truth????
Oh wait I can … if an ill will blows against Islam he will side with Islam. He has certainly kept his promise on that. We have a damn rogue president and as far as I am concerned even if it may not fit to the letter of the law…IMHO he is treasonous!!!!!
taxfreekiller wrote:
Are you sure ?
@ Lily:
He did say that he was going to “fundamentally transform America.”
He just didn’t say that it would be into East Germany.
so
accept the mandate or be penalized with a tax…
to
accept this tax or be penalized with a tax…
why did this even go to the Court?
oh well
@ 4_Sticks:
No matter what anyone says…Romney DOESN’T HATE THE UNITED STATES AND WANT TO SEE IT FALL APART!!!
That there is a huge difference than obama.
@ MacDuff:
Exactly. Where does it end ? If he gets a 2nd term, G_d oly knows whats coming next. Romney just did the ‘line in the sand’ bit, turned on his heel and walked away. I liked it. We are now more divided than ever and the issue is crystal clear (unlike the law and the ruling). Its all down to November now. The Reps have to do the math and get it out to the voters.
A clear majority has been against the ‘mandate’ part of the law anyhow. This ruling may be a blessing in disguise. Of course it would have been better/safer for it to have been struck down but …
We said not to Gore, we kick Kerry in the nuts, we put the Bush family out to pasture, now we go to work on these few mad cow commies who made Obama possible.
The base of the commie left are those of the Gore/Clinton/Kerry/Democrat Underground age group.
Father time has them now in his firm grasp.
All of them 65 and up, many like it or not are feeble and past it brain wise now. “Charlie Rangle”, Nancy Popcycle, many, many of the left elite in the msm ,,, all of them to include many commie in the U.S. Court system.
tick tock goes father clock
lobo91 wrote:
Okay two non-lies….anyone else have something that he didn’t lie about???? So in nearly 4 years we have come up with 2…let us say it again only 2 non-lies!!!
Several commentaries have pointed out that this is a huge tax increase as if that is a winning argument against Obama. It is not. Obama has been openly calling for tax increases all over the place, including such obscure areas as a mileage tax on vehicles, certain foods, energy, etc. In other words, ‘breathing’ taxes. He has written off any votes from the white middle class and has calculated that welfare recipients, the aged, single women, Latinos, gays, blacks, and most importantly, government employees will put him in office. Those groups love to see middle America punished by whatever means.
Why this is a great ruling!
Some of you don’t get it. This is a GREAT ruling. It will piss off and energize the GOP/independent voters who want smaller, less intrusive government.
It will do nothing for the dumocrats. It will suppress dumocrat voters.
It will, if the Romney campaign does its job, be pointed out as yet another Obama and dumocrat lie to the American people, because Obama and the dumocrats continually insisted that this was NOT a tax!
And BTW, the Romney campaign raised over $300K in the first hour after the decision was announced.
BO repeated, ‘this is not a tax’ many times…
GOP Reps should have been more on the ball….
republicans should feel shorted…forget what BO said, the language was right there in the bill as lobo has already posted…mandate or not…a small matter of semantics that should have been clarified before it passed
@ taxfreekiller:
You’re forgetting about the fact that so many of the under-40 age group have spent most of their lives being force-fed Marxism disguised as education/entertainment.
tfk is down in the bowles of the tea party, secure the borders, fix the RINO world. It is growing, it has a power now of its own and the two party evil money cult is so sure of itself they do not even acknowledge we exist.
We want it that way, they will be caught off gaurd and sleeping with whores when we take the ground from them. @ Guggi:
Urban Infidel wrote:
I can think of a least a dozen or more that will.
/I know that is cold-comfort…but there will be some back-lash against this…BIG TIME. (and I pray it is HUGE)!
livefreeor die wrote:
We are already buying Chevy Volts with a tax. We’re just not all getting to drive the cars we purchased.
@ lobo91:
@ lobo91:
public education ruins a good many young minds….years of pablum and parental neglect…liberalism feeds on weakness and for that reason alone I cannot grok the ideology…I speak for myself and follow no party…I made my life from my own hands and brain
@ Bob in Breckenridge:
I saw an interview with Rubio a few minutes ago, and that was the first thing out of his mouth.
are we doomed?
i think we’re doomed.
we are freaking living inside Atlas Shrugged. b@stards.
Those are the ones the msm shows, the others have been working on taking care of each other and doing things like playing dominos and they are in Iraq etal walking point. They too have U.S. wise ones of the ambush of the Kerrys prior. They will not fail to take the fight for freedom to this know nothing commie democrat thugs.@ lobo91:
lobo91 wrote:
he read my post way up thread….
jus kidding
lobo91 wrote:
GMTA.
Bob in Breckenridge wrote:
*Ding* *Ding* *Ding*…..yep they will not be able to pull the whole the Republicans hate children and want old people to die or the racist card. Let Romney EXPLAIN EXCATLY WHAT THIS MEANS….socialistic healthcare on a Federal level. Not a state level…but a Federal level.
Will Consult for Food wrote:
Multiple taxes. We still own $30 billion worth of GM stock, for one thing. Plus the tax rebate on the car itself. Probably subsidies for the manufacturers of some of the components, too (like batteries).
@ taxfreekiller:
. . . i was hoping for a big TeaParty rally 2012 like the one they had a few years back. What up wit dat? Not much time left before November. Do they (TeaParty) have anything big planned?
@ Kirly:
I said we are doomed upthread, but I didn’t give it your trademark :
DOOMED™
From Freedom Torch
So what this is is the most massive tax increase in our history during the greatest economic slide since the great depression.
Also, let’s see what business does. If they start letting people go then watch unemployment go up because these will be new jobless claims.
And GOP needs to hammer those unemployed that are not being counted — those who have exhausted befits, college students, etc.
Kirly wrote:
Maybe and maybe not. This may very well fire up the base that has been very luke-warm concerning Romney…Romney isn’t conservative enough, Romney is in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood, Romney this, Romney that.
I do believe Romney will take FULL advantage of this and slam it in obama’s face. Timing is the key….
Bob in Breckenridge wrote:
And there was a genius on Bloomberg who said that it was going to be great for job creation, since so much of the problem has been attributed to “uncertainty.”
Now business owners know they’re screwed, so they can go ahead and hire people!
Makes perfect sense…
Carolina Girl wrote:
And don’t forget all the people who will lose their jobs when obama’s EPA closes all those coal plants and electricty sky-rockets to the moon.
taxfreekiller wrote:
I love your colorfull language
Stock market reacting rather poorly. Ignored by MSM. Jobs figures tomorrow. Expect more adjustments in the way unemployed are calculated and the jobs created to be underwhelming. Jobs created may go into the negative by July as small businesses decide to close down, especially small manufacturing plants such as nickel plating etc. Better to take what you can now before employee costs, taxes and the EPA bankrupt small manufacturers. The calculation is this will re-elect Obama.
we are beyond doomed and well into f*cked territory, imo.
fire up the base? because of this ruling? seriously, if you weren’t already fired up due to the ridiculous overreach of F&F, of Obamacare which has ALREADY cost people their coverage or impacted what they pay (my sister has been affected and EVERYONE who works for Honeywell is affected -- full disclosure, i do not work there and no one in my family does either but I know dozens who do) then you aren’t going to get fired up over this because, imo, you’re riding IN the wagon cheering on the additional d@mn freebies you’re gonna get at MY expense and at the expense of everyone else laboring to haul your fat @ss around in the wagon.
we are screwed.
Holder contempt vote in progress.
This was an interesting read. I don’t hang out there, but it is interesting.
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/06/28/im-not-down-on-john-roberts/
doriangrey wrote:
Today is Judgement Day, and that’s just the way it is.
@ Formercorpsman:
I agree with him.
@ lobo91:
Was Scalia’s Dissent Originally a Majority Opinion?
@ lobo91:
I do too
@ doriangrey:
I haven’t had a chance to read Scalia’s dissent yet, but that certainly sounds plausible.
@ lobo91:
I like Rubio and I listened to that interview. I saw a side of him that I hadn’t seen before though. He framed this law as pitting the individual vs the IRS. All well and good until he came out with a bit of hyperbole:(certain individuals will find themselves) ‘at war with the IRS’.
The boy still needs a little more polishing.
And don’t let ‘em see ya sweat Marco…
J.M. Morgan has the same accounting firm as the Democrats.
Loss in silly trade will be $9 Billion not the prior report of $2 Billion.
Same/Same this louts.
The Debt Star will destroy our country and the entire planet.
Doomed ™
Republican governors are planning to ignore the Supreme Court’s decision Thursday to uphold Obamacare hoping that the issue will drive voters to dump President Obama in favor of Mitt Romney who has vowed to kill the Affordable Care Act.
After the decision, the Republican Governors Association said that nothing should be done by the states until after the election, a clear signal that they believe a GOP president, House and Senate will kill the health care reform pushed through by Democrats and opposed by Republicans.
RGA Chairman Bob McDonnell said, “Today’s ruling crystallizes all that’s at stake in November’s election. The only way to stop Barack Obama’s budget-busting health care takeover is by electing a new president. Barack Obama’s health care takeover encapsulates his presidency: Obamacare increases taxes, grows the size of government and puts bureaucrats over patients while doing nothing to improve the economy.”
@WZ
Can anyone name a Progressive Progran teh Republcians have ever repealed?
Thought so.
The GOP is useless and if you guys think Romney will undue this, I have beachfront property in Las Vegas to sell. Contact my Agent TFK for details.
I love you guys, but you don’t realize this is all a sham. The Republcians are Progressives, they will not undue this.
I am 37 and have lost my future. Its a dark day for my Country.
Woodrow Wilson has won.
@ Kirly:
You called it we are doooomed ™.
That Mayan calendar was right.. 2012.
When the ruling was announced I sent an e-mail out to everyone in my address book that stated simply “God help our country”. I’ve received 2 replies, so far, asking ‘Why, what happened ?’
I reiterate “God help our country”.
The tea party is not any thing more than millions of pissed off Americans scatter all around the U.S.. It is not a formal thing the MSM, Democrats or RINO’s can attack. It is formless, operating in the open but not something any one can put a finger on and say, “this is it”.
There are good leaders, bad leaders, some areas no leaders and it will be just the will of those who chose freedom over being a tax slave to these tax payer paid thiefs in Washington D.C..
The other side is large over paid, fat and happy with the gross load of gold they steal.
Those who have been robbed are not happy at all and it will show in the votes the next 20 years.
like that, the unknown
At wwww.volokh.com, he speculates from reading Scalia’s dissent that it was originally the majority opinion and Roberts switched at the last minute
lobo91 wrote:
It makes sense, but I still have a problem with how today’s decision was put forth.
The bottom line in the decision, is compulsion to participate in commerce whether we care to or not.
The domino effect is ridiculous. What this is going to do to business is unfathomable.
This is decision will be an unmitigated disaster on our Constitution.
@ 4_Sticks:
The election of 1912, That Nazi KKK scumbag Woodrow Wilson. That’s where it went wrong.
@ Carolina Girl:
Roberts is a traitor. May his soul burn in hell.
Separated at Birth: John Roberts and…? It is not personal guys, it is just the law…
One person to get a reading on this from is Mark Levin this afternoon.
http://www.marklevinshow.com
Rodan wrote:
Because he decided to follow the law and precedent? I hate to tell you this, but that’s his job.
@ doriangrey:
dorian -- thanks for gtting that link -- I was trying to work on iPad and cook breakfast at the same time and I left the comment window open soooooo long.
Rodan wrote:
C’mon man, that’s just unreasonable.
@ lobo91:
He refrences Ginsburg’s dissent in his own dissent.
@ Carolina Girl:
If Roberts really did switch his vote because of political pressure from Obama then he isn’t fit to be Chief Justice.
@ taxfreekiller:
I was hoping Rush or Hannity might have him on their shows today but I imagine Mark is getting busy.
Carolina Girl wrote:
Yes, Justice Scalia wrote something last week referencing Wickard and I thought it was a hint that he had written the majority decision and that Wickard would be revisited.
@ Rodan:
I’m having a problem getting this through to my youngest that theres nothing new going on here -- same old story just re-packaged. The 60s Marxists learned that to be taken seriously, cut your hair, don a jacket and tie, re-name it and try again.
They’ve done quite a job on our youth via public education. I have one in college and one whos a ‘workin’ man’. The difference between the 2, attitude-wise, is night and day.
Iron Fist wrote:
The Chief Justice is essentially the head of the Judicial branch of the government. If he changed his vote as a result of external pressure, it was in an attempt to protect the institution of the court system from further attack by the left.
It’s pretty clear that he doesn’t think much of the law itself. I don’t think he’ll lose any sleep if it’s repealed by the next Congress.
They are voting on holding Holder in contempt right now.
Carolina Girl wrote:
He has 193 pages of opinions to digest before his show.
1 democrat has voted to hold Holder in contempt so far.
@ doriangrey:
Did the CBC walk out?
doriangrey wrote:
Well, by the definition the Dems use these days, that makes it “bipartisan.”
Think you’ll hear the MSM describe it that way?
/Me neither
@ Iron Fist:
And the fact that Scalia didn”t edit his dissent to remove the reference shows that he wanted all of us to KNOW about it.
Rush talking about this now.
lobo91 wrote:
Up to 2 now…
@ doriangrey:
Speculation was that up to 31 would vote for contempt.
Any Repubicans vote NO yet?
doriangrey wrote:
ROTFLMAO… Up to 4 now…
Romney has raised over $1 million today after ACA decision
@ doriangrey:
Arey you watching this online?
doriangrey wrote:
8 now…
doriangrey wrote:
opps make that 10
@ doriangrey:
Dems from red states, I assume?
MacDuff wrote:
Yup…
Gearing up the MSM to call it racist.
Has CBC walked out yet?
Carolina Girl wrote:
100 of those dollars are mine. I was going to wait until after the VP pick, but I felt the need to express my anger today.
13 now…
doriangrey wrote:
Thanks.
what’s the procedure after the vote…what’s next?
Well, it’s getting late on this side of the world.
Time for bed.
doriangrey wrote:
Total Democrats supporting 15…
heysoos wrote:
It’s referred to the US Attorney for the District of Columbia, who refers it to a grand jury
@ lobo91:
thanks
Before I could hit the mute button on my remote I heard O actually say that the mandate was necessary, just like car insurance, because people need to take responsibility for their health care expenses -- no one else should have to pay it. WTF ???? I know he’s a bold faced liar but this …
Oh wait, I get it. Because illegals aren’t Americans, it doesn’t apply to them. Pay up, carry on…
This whole claim of executive privelege isn’t as simple as people might think, either. It’s not a matter of just saying “Sorry…you don’t get anything.”
They have to produce a log detailing the contents of each of the withheld documents, and why they aren’t turning it over. Just the log is going to run to hundreds (maybe thousands) of pages.
This is a good sign:
Republican Governors vow to ignore Obamacare.
h/t The Zip
Foul mouthed Dems spike the Obamacare foobah.
Stay classy, Dems!
h/t Brietbart
lobo91 wrote:
….and that could take 4-5 months!
hey ya’ll
the fight is not over
NOT OVER!
Hold your ground!!!
WE SHALL FIGHT!!!
New Thread.
“I have not yet begun to fight!”
@ rain of lead:
ooops
lets try that in english
lobo91 wrote:
If this is true, then perhaps Roberts might give some more details about said intimidation at that time….
@ Macker:
If indeed Roberts switched his vote because of the political pressure being brought by Leahy and other libturds, he needs to resign his office once Romney is re-elected -- because he is absolutely NOT fit to be the head of a co-equal branch of government.
And yep, I think Scalia purposefully left those mentions regarding Ginsburg in what was now the dissent because he wanted to let the country know what happened -- I don’t see someone like him missing those details.
Uh make that once Romney is ELECTED. Man, I’m more pissed off than I thought.