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Unemployment claims hovered last week near 2012 high

by Speranza ( 265 Comments › )
Filed under Economy, unemployment at June 29th, 2012 - 2:00 pm

If we cannot win this November based on Obama’s mercilessly pitiful economic record, then we better fold up the tent and go home because the nation will have gone nuts!  Please do not get distracted by peripheral issues.

by  Michelle Jamrisko and Shobhana Chandra

Applications for jobless benefits hovered last week near the highest level of the year, showing continuing weakness in the U.S. labor market.

Claims for unemployment insurance payments decreased by 6,000 to 386,000 in the week ended June 23, according to Labor Department figures issued today in Washington. The revised 392,000 claims in the previous week matched the most this year. The Bloomberg Consumer Comfort Index also showed growing apprehension over the state of the economy.

Concern about the European debt crisis and the so-called fiscal cliff that the U.S. faces at the end of this year may prompt employers to keep payrolls lean, limiting the hiring needed to boost consumer spending. A 57-cent per gallon decrease in gasoline prices since early April is providing some relief, helping offset concern the job market is weakening by allowing employed Americans to stretch their paychecks.

“We’re going to see consumers be cautious over the next few months,” said Ryan Sweet, a senior economist at Moody’s Analytics Inc. in West Chester, Pennsylvania, who projected 385,000 claims. “Spending is going to be soft, and I think it’s because of the job market. The labor market is not creating the wage income necessary.”

Stocks pared losses in the final hour of trading amid speculation European leaders were nearing agreement on ways to halt contagion from the debt crisis. The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index dropped 0.2 percent to 1,329.04 at the 4 p.m. close in New York. Treasury securities rose, sending the yield on the benchmark 10-year note down to 1.58 percent from 1.62 percent late yesterday.

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The median forecast of 46 economists surveyed by Bloomberg projected jobless claims would come in at 385,000. Estimates ranged from 372,000 to 392,000.

The four-week moving average decreased to 386,750 from 387,500, which was the highest since the week ended Dec. 3.

Payrolls in May expanded by 69,000 workers, the slowest pace in a year, and have cooled each month since January. The jobless rate, which climbed to 8.2 percent in May, has been stuck above 8 percent since February 2009, the longest stretch of such elevated levels in the post-World War II era.

The employment report for June will be released on July 6.

“The problems in the job market that we saw in April and May have extended well into June,” said Sweet from Moody’s Analytics. “I think it’s going to be another disappointing report.”

Initial jobless claims reflect weekly firings and tend to fall as job growth — measured by the monthly non-farm payrolls report — accelerates.

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265 Responses to “Unemployment claims hovered last week near 2012 high”
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  1. Speranza
    1 | June 29, 2012 2:08 pm

    Things are going to get worse these coming months.


  2. MacDuff
    2 | June 29, 2012 2:14 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Things are going to get worse these coming months.

    Yeah, I don’t think we’ve bottomed out.


  3. Speranza
    3 | June 29, 2012 2:19 pm

    “The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.”
    Winston Churchill


  4. Speranza
    4 | June 29, 2012 2:39 pm

    All these college grads from this month -- enjoy the exciting world of waitressing and bar tending.


  5. grambo
    5 | June 29, 2012 2:53 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Indeed. I’ve long thought that there should be a short civics and/or economics quiz prior to being issued a voter registration. Fantasy, of course, as voters now don’t even have to prove they are breathing.

    I can’t remember the exact quote -- or source -- but someone said our big problem wasn’t Obama, per se, but that when he’s gone there will remain the millions of uninformed, self-centered, stupid, loony, etc. citizens that voted him in in the first place.


  6. MacDuff
    6 | June 29, 2012 3:00 pm

    There’s something on Drudge about DOJ wiretap applications that Issa has read into the Congressional Record. The links jammed but it looks important.


  7. Mike C.
    7 | June 29, 2012 3:01 pm

    Crikey -- WTI is up over 9 % today!


  8. RIX
    8 | June 29, 2012 3:01 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    All these college grads from this month – enjoy the exciting world of waitressing and bar tending.

    But the ones that interview really well can be
    baristas at Starbucks.


  9. doriangrey
    9 | June 29, 2012 3:02 pm

    To answer a question asked in a previous thread…

    Dem rep: Yes, the GOP can use reconciliation now to repeal the mandate

    On top of that, some budget experts believe not every part of the health care law could be repealed using the simple-majority rules of reconciliation — only the parts that have a direct budget impact. Still, major portions, including the individual mandate, could be targeted by reconciliation.

    “The reconciliation process that was so horrible and abnormal?” said Rep. Rob Andrews (D-N.J.), a key player in passing health care, referring to past Republican complaints that reconciliation was illegitimate. “That reconciliation process? It was legitimate to use it in ’09, it would be legitimate to use it to repeal it. It actually would. I’m sure that’s what they’d try to do.”…

    But under the Congressional Budget Act of 1974, a law intended to make it easier for Congress to rein in big deficits, Republicans would have the ability to avoid the 60-vote threshold altogether. First, Congress has to pass a nonbinding budget blueprint instructing congressional committees to draft reconciliation legislation aimed at conforming to tax and spending goals. And once that bill is drafted, debate can be limited on the floor and sent to the president’s desk.


  10. Speranza
    10 | June 29, 2012 3:04 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    All these college grads from this month – enjoy the exciting world of waitressing and bar tending.

    But the ones that interview really well can be
    baristas at Starbucks.

    God I hate Starbucks. Bitter and burnt coffee, over priced, and snobs sitting there all day with their lattes and laptops.


  11. Speranza
    11 | June 29, 2012 3:04 pm

    grambo wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Indeed. I’ve long thought that there should be a short civics and/or economics quiz prior to being issued a voter registration. Fantasy, of course, as voters now don’t even have to prove they are breathing.
    I can’t remember the exact quote – or source – but someone said our big problem wasn’t Obama, per se, but that when he’s gone there will remain the millions of uninformed, self-centered, stupid, loony, etc. citizens that voted him in in the first place.

    I think the voting age needs to be raised to 24.


  12. Rodan
    12 | June 29, 2012 3:07 pm

    Indeed. I’ve long thought that there should be a short civics and/or economics quiz prior to being issued a voter registration.

    I agree.


  13. doriangrey
    13 | June 29, 2012 3:07 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    There’s something on Drudge about DOJ wiretap applications that Issa has read into the Congressional Record. The links jammed but it looks important.

    Holder and Obama are screwed…


  14. MacDuff
    14 | June 29, 2012 3:07 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I think the voting age needs to be raised to 24.

    Or at least 21. I would, however, allow voting for anyone with a military ID.


  15. Rodan
    15 | June 29, 2012 3:08 pm

    @ Speranza:

    That’s why a Constitutional Republic is the best system. Its a shame we used to have one.


  16. Rodan
    16 | June 29, 2012 3:09 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    This is huge.

    You called this a year ago.


  17. huckfunn
    17 | June 29, 2012 3:09 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Crikey – WTI is up over 9 % today!

    Yessir! And nat gas is up almost 3%. :grin:


  18. Rodan
    18 | June 29, 2012 3:10 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Those Caribbean Lesbian Literature degrees aren’t in demand it seems.


  19. Rodan
    19 | June 29, 2012 3:12 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Concur!


  20. doriangrey
    20 | June 29, 2012 3:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    This is huge.
    You called this a year ago.

    Drudge crashed the entire Rollcall server farm… or…. somebody doesn’t want what’s on it getting out to the general public…


  21. doriangrey
    21 | June 29, 2012 3:13 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ doriangrey:
    This is huge.
    You called this a year ago.

    Drudge crashed the entire Rollcall server farm… or…. somebody doesn’t want what’s on it getting out to the general public…

    OK, it’s just that story… :oops:


  22. waldensianspirit
    22 | June 29, 2012 3:14 pm

    I’d go with just tax payers allowed to vote. We’re too busy to hang out filling in test cards with #2 pencil


  23. huckfunn
    23 | June 29, 2012 3:14 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    There’s something on Drudge about DOJ wiretap applications that Issa has read into the Congressional Record. The links jammed but it looks important.

    Rush said that when wire taps are requested by an agency (ATF for instance) the request must be accompanied by a description of the investigative methods being conducted. A judge won’t grant a wire tap without that description. Therefore, when the ATF requested wire taps for surveilence during F&F, they had to know that guns were being walked and there would have been discussions of those methods at high levels of the DOiJ.


  24. doriangrey
    24 | June 29, 2012 3:15 pm

    “The wiretap affidavit details that agents were well aware that large sums of money were being used to purchase a large number of firearms, many of which were flowing across the border,” the letter says.

    The application included details such as how many guns specific suspects had purchased via straw purchasers and how many of those guns had been recovered in Mexico.

    It also described how ATF officials watched guns bought by suspected straw purchasers but then ended their surveillance without interdicting the guns.

    In at least one instance, the guns were recovered at a police stop at the U.S.-Mexico border the next day.

    The application included financial details for four suspected straw purchasers showing they had purchased $373,000 worth of guns in cash but reported almost no income for the previous year, the letter says.

    “Although ATF was aware of these facts, no one was arrested, and ATF failed to even approach the straw purchasers. Upon learning these details through its review of this wiretap affidavit, senior Justice Department officials had a duty to stop this operation. Further, failure to do so was a violation of Justice Department policy,” the letter says.

    The Democrats are shown to be lying corrupt POS…


  25. MacDuff
    25 | June 29, 2012 3:16 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    I got through, here’s the story:

    In the midst of a fiery floor debate over contempt proceedings for Attorney General Eric Holder, House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) quietly dropped a bombshell letter into the Congressional Record.

    The May 24 letter to Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), ranking member on the panel, quotes from and describes in detail a secret wiretap application that has become a point of debate in the GOP’s “Fast and Furious” gun-walking probe.

    The wiretap applications are under court seal, and releasing such information to the public would ordinarily be illegal. But Issa appears to be protected by the Speech or Debate Clause in the Constitution, which offers immunity for Congressional speech, especially on a chamber’s floor.

    According to the letter, the wiretap applications contained a startling amount of detail about the operation, which would have tipped off anyone who read them closely about what tactics were being used.

    Holder and Cummings have both maintained that the wiretap applications did not contain such details and that the applications were reviewed narrowly for probable cause, not for whether any investigatory tactics contained followed Justice Department policy.

    The wiretap applications were signed by senior DOJ officials in the department’s criminal division, including Deputy Assistant Attorney General Jason Weinstein, Deputy Assistant Attorney General Kenneth Blanco and another official who is now deceased.

    In Fast and Furious, agents for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allowed assault guns bought by “straw purchasers” to “walk,” which meant ending surveillance on weapons suspected to be en route to Mexican drug cartels.

    The tactic, which was intended to allow agents to track criminal networks by finding the guns at crime scenes, was condemned after two guns that were part of the operation were found at U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry’s murder scene.

    Straw purchasers are individuals who buy guns on behalf of criminals, obscuring who is buying the weapons.

    While Issa has since said he has obtained a number of wiretap applications, the letter only refers to one, from March 15, 2010. The full application is not included in what Issa entered into the Congressional Record, and names are obscured in Issa’s letter.

    In the application, ATF agents included transcripts from a wiretap intercept from a previous Drug Enforcement Administration investigation that demonstrated the suspects were part of a gun-smuggling ring.

    “The wiretap affidavit details that agents were well aware that large sums of money were being used to purchase a large number of firearms, many of which were flowing across the border,” the letter says.
    The application included details such as how many guns specific suspects had purchased via straw purchasers and how many of those guns had been recovered in Mexico.

    It also described how ATF officials watched guns bought by suspected straw purchasers but then ended their surveillance without interdicting the guns.

    In at least one instance, the guns were recovered at a police stop at the U.S.-Mexico border the next day.
    The application included financial details for four suspected straw purchasers showing they had purchased $373,000 worth of guns in cash but reported almost no income for the previous year, the letter says.
    “Although ATF was aware of these facts, no one was arrested, and ATF failed to even approach the straw purchasers. Upon learning these details through its review of this wiretap affidavit, senior Justice Department officials had a duty to stop this operation. Further, failure to do so was a violation of Justice Department policy,” the letter says.

    Holder declined to discuss the contents of the applications at a House Judiciary Committee hearing June 7 but said the applications were narrowly reviewed for whether there was probable cause to obtain a wiretap application.

    Thousands of wiretap applications are reviewed each year by the DOJ’s criminal division. The applications are designed to obtain approval, so they tend to focus on the most suspicious information available.

    A line attorney first creates a summary of the application, which is then usually reviewed by a deputy to Lanny Breuer, the head of the division, on his behalf. It is then reviewed and approved or denied by a judge.
    Cummings has sided with the DOJ in the debate over the secret applications, but the full substance of his argument is unknown.

    A June 5 letter from Cummings responding to Issa’s May 24 letter said Issa “omits the critical fact that [redacted].” The entire first section of the letter’s body is likewise blacked out.

    “Sadly, it looks like Mr. Issa is continuing his string of desperate and unsubstantiated claims, while hiding key information from the very same documents,” a Democratic committee staffer said. “His actions demonstrate a lack of concern for the facts, as well as a reckless disregard for our nation’s courts and federal prosecutors who are trying to bring criminals to justice. We’re not going to stoop to his level. Obviously, we are going to honor the court’s seal and the prosecutors’ requests. But if Mr. Issa won’t tell you what he is hiding from the wiretaps, you should ask him why.”


  26. Rodan
    26 | June 29, 2012 3:16 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    This is huge.


  27. waldensianspirit
    27 | June 29, 2012 3:17 pm

    In the midst of a fiery floor debate over contempt proceedings for Attorney General Eric Holder, House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) quietly dropped a bombshell letter into the Congressional Record.

    ht drudge


  28. Speranza
    28 | June 29, 2012 3:18 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Those Caribbean Lesbian Literature degrees aren’t in demand it seems.

    Nope and Philosophy can help you rationalize when a pigeon takes a crap on your head when you are sitting on a park bench.


  29. huckfunn
    29 | June 29, 2012 3:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    This is huge.

    I think Issa has a whole sack of smoking guns with Holder’s fingerprints all over them.


  30. waldensianspirit
    30 | June 29, 2012 3:20 pm

    Issa knew where he was going! I didn’t think he’d do it but would look for deals that benefit him. He’s changing my opinion


  31. Rodan
    31 | June 29, 2012 3:21 pm

    @ Speranza:

    There is always Little Green Footballs. I am sure the Corpulent Aging Creep will give them a gig doing LGF pages.


  32. RIX
    32 | June 29, 2012 3:22 pm

    @ Speranza:

    God I hate Starbucks. Bitter and burnt coffee, over priced, and snobs sitting there all day with their lattes and laptops.

    What blows me away is the drive thru. Overpaying &
    not sitting inside with a newspaper or a book.


  33. waldensianspirit
    33 | June 29, 2012 3:22 pm

    Wow! Ace highlights serious damage.

    They wanted murder to happen!


  34. Rodan
    34 | June 29, 2012 3:22 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    He’s Lebanese Maronite. They are very stubborn people. When they are on a mission, no stopping them.


  35. Rodan
    35 | June 29, 2012 3:23 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Yup, Issa knows more than he’s letting on.


  36. waldensianspirit
    36 | June 29, 2012 3:23 pm

    Brain Terry was there under-equipped with no heads up what was actually going on.

    Where is the “proportional” cry of the dems over this?


  37. Rodan
    37 | June 29, 2012 3:23 pm

    FYI, for those who don’t know. The name Issa means Jesus in Arabic.


  38. huckfunn
    38 | June 29, 2012 3:24 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Issa knew where he was going! I didn’t think he’d do it but would look for deals that benefit him. He’s changing my opinion

    I think Issa has someone on the inside of DOiJ who’s feeding him info. The catch 22 of it is that the info being fed to him has been sealed by a federal judge. If he divulges it, then he’s guilty of something or other. Also, Holder knows that Issa has the smoking guns. Kinda hairy.


  39. Rodan
    39 | June 29, 2012 3:25 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Yup, this is huge and anyone who says otherwise is lying.


  40. Speranza
    40 | June 29, 2012 3:28 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    God I hate Starbucks. Bitter and burnt coffee, over priced, and snobs sitting there all day with their lattes and laptops.

    What blows me away is the drive thru. Overpaying &
    not sitting inside with a newspaper or a book.

    There is a Starbucks on almost every corner in the city where I live (as well as a Subway Sandwich shop).


  41. grambo
    41 | June 29, 2012 3:30 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    Crikey – WTI is up over 9 % today!

    Yessir! And nat gas is up almost 3%.

    Smith & Wesson up 19%


  42. MacDuff
    42 | June 29, 2012 3:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Yup, this is huge and anyone who says otherwise is lying.

    Even a healthy, robust, presidency would have great difficulty weathering this and this is certainly not a healthy, robust presidency.

    I say Holder’s gone within a week and he’ll likely be gone sooner.


  43. huckfunn
    43 | June 29, 2012 3:32 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    There is a Starbucks on almost every corner in the city where I live (as well as a Subway Sandwich shop).

    I never did get the Starbucks craze. I have no idea why a bunch a people want to sit in small shop, drinking $6 cups of coffee while twittering and tweetering. Twits perhaps?


  44. Rodan
    44 | June 29, 2012 3:33 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    The 2 things keeping Obama in the game:
    1) His “Color”
    2) The myth that he’s a divine savior or lightworker


  45. MacDuff
    45 | June 29, 2012 3:34 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Issa knew where he was going! I didn’t think he’d do it but would look for deals that benefit him. He’s changing my opinion

    He’s no anklebiter; more like a bigass dog with a death grip on Holder’s thigh.

    Hey Eric, you better watch that artery!


  46. grambo
    46 | June 29, 2012 3:35 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    There is a Starbucks on almost every corner in the city where I live (as well as a Subway Sandwich shop).
    I never did get the Starbucks craze. I have no idea why a bunch a people want to sit in small shop, drinking $6 cups of coffee while twittering and tweetering. Twits perhaps?

    Nearest one here has a nice outside seating area. My motorcycle club meets there one evening a week. Don’t see any snobs, though. Oh, wait …


  47. huckfunn
    47 | June 29, 2012 3:35 pm

    grambo wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    Crikey – WTI is up over 9 % today!

    Yessir! And nat gas is up almost 3%.

    Smith & Wesson up 19%

    Kewl! Sturm-Ruger up 7.5%.


  48. MacDuff
    48 | June 29, 2012 3:36 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    The 2 things keeping Obama in the game:
    1) His “Color”
    2) The myth that he’s a divine savior or lightworker

    Rush has called him “The Magic Negro” to the consternation, I’m sure, of someone.


  49. heysoos
    49 | June 29, 2012 3:37 pm

    my libido is up 87%
    not really


  50. heysoos
    50 | June 29, 2012 3:39 pm

    well, I’m having a swell ‘told you so’ moment since I was ridiculed, made to be stupid, oh, and racist at LGF when I warned them about the severity of this scam….they would not even discuss it, just trash me for my racial hatred and bigotry


  51. huckfunn
    51 | June 29, 2012 3:41 pm

    grambo wrote:

    Nearest one here has a nice outside seating area. My motorcycle club meets there one evening a week. Don’t see any snobs, though. Oh, wait …

    I s’pose I shouldn’t be so critical. There are lots of things I don’t get. Starbucks is a very successful bidness and obviously appeals to a great many people. I even have to buy a cup of that over-priced coffee for my wife from time to time.


  52. MacDuff
    52 | June 29, 2012 3:41 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Outrage is up a staggering 65% in just two days thus continuing a rally that started in January ’09.


  53. Macker
    53 | June 29, 2012 3:42 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    FYI, for those who don’t know. The name Issa means Jesus in Arabic.

    Actually, when transliterated into English, it comes out as “Isa“.


  54. Macker
    54 | June 29, 2012 3:43 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Rush has called him “The Magic Negro” to the consternation, I’m sure, of someone.

    I love that song. Let’s hear it again!


  55. huckfunn
    55 | June 29, 2012 3:43 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Rush has called him “The Magic Negro” to the consternation, I’m sure, of someone.

    Actually, it was a black columnist at the Los Angles Times that came up with Obama the magic negro. Rush just ran with it and had that parody guy do a parody song set to “Puff the Magic Dragon”. Funny as hell.


  56. heysoos
    56 | June 29, 2012 3:44 pm

    2 years ago LGF raved about the recovery due to the stimulus…I said there is no recovery, the stimulus failed and be ready for semi permanent 7.5-8.55 unemployment and there is no such thing as a Green movement….oops!


  57. huckfunn
    57 | June 29, 2012 3:45 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Outrage is up a staggering 65% in just two days thus continuing a rally that started in January ’09.

    Heh! As a result, Romney futures are up close to $5 million in the past 24 hours.


  58. huckfunn
    58 | June 29, 2012 3:47 pm

    SHOCKA! Justice Department won’t prosecute Holder.


  59. grambo
    59 | June 29, 2012 3:48 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Eh? Their coffee stinks. Now they even have it for the Keurig and it’s as bad or worse.
    Green Mountain (GMCR) has tanked after Starbucks announced their entry into single cup. May be a real good buy.


  60. waldensianspirit
    60 | June 29, 2012 3:48 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    SHOCKA! Justice Department won’t prosecute Holder.

    :mrgreen: Guess Congress will have to rebuild their jail!


  61. Iron Fist
    61 | June 29, 2012 3:49 pm

    @ heysoos:
    You should have asked them why they were OK with killing Mexicans. The double think would have been hilarious.


  62. RIX
    62 | June 29, 2012 3:49 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Rush has called him “The Magic Negro” to the consternation, I’m sure, of someone.

    Rush was actually quoting Andrew Young, the former
    Atlanta Mayor.
    Of course thee race pimps ignored that.


  63. MacDuff
    63 | June 29, 2012 3:49 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    Rush has called him “The Magic Negro” to the consternation, I’m sure, of someone.

    Actually, it was a black columnist at the Los Angles Times that came up with Obama the magic negro. Rush just ran with it and had that parody guy do a parody song set to “Puff the Magic Dragon”. Funny as hell.

    And, of course, someone jumped on it and created a Magic Negro website

    Damn, I wish I’d thought of that!


  64. Speranza
    64 | June 29, 2012 3:51 pm

    OT -- Did you see the Three Stooges movie? There is a scene at a fancy dinner party. One woman glances at the door as the stooges arrive and says, “Oh no Those three idiots are here.” The other replies, “Who? The Kardashian sisters?” It was very funny.


  65. RIX
    65 | June 29, 2012 3:55 pm

    Have you seen our Congressman?
    Jesse Jackson Jr has been missing from the
    House for the last three weeks.Last week his office
    put out a statement that JJ is suffering exhastion &
    will not reveal where he is.


  66. MacDuff
    66 | June 29, 2012 3:57 pm

    Justice Department shields Holder from prosecution after contempt vote

    What could possibly be improper about that?


  67. MacDuff
    67 | June 29, 2012 3:58 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Have you seen our Congressman?
    Jesse Jackson Jr has been missing from the
    House for the last three weeks.Last week his office
    put out a statement that JJ is suffering exhastion &
    will not reveal where he is.

    These rich, pampered assholes sure get “exhausted” a lot.


  68. MikeA
    68 | June 29, 2012 3:59 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Don’t worry. This will be the most transparent admin since Ceasar!


  69. yenta-fada
    69 | June 29, 2012 4:00 pm

    OT Great game going on at Wimbledon. Federer vs Benneteau starting the fifth set. Federer was close to getting knocked out by the Frenchman.


  70. Macker
    70 | June 29, 2012 4:02 pm

    With all this stuff happening, I still wonder if the Demo☭rats are going to end up pulling a Torch….


  71. MacDuff
    71 | June 29, 2012 4:06 pm

    Gawd it’s HOT. Sitting at 103 now…


  72. waldensianspirit
    72 | June 29, 2012 4:06 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    These rich, pampered assholes sure get “exhausted” a lot.

    Like their marriages. Holmes kickin’ loose from cruise. Wants sole custody


  73. waldensianspirit
    73 | June 29, 2012 4:09 pm

    Alex Baldwin is going to wind up in prison … or hospital


  74. MacDuff
    74 | June 29, 2012 4:10 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Like their marriages. Holmes kickin’ loose from cruise. Wants sole custody

    I have assiduously eschewed great fortune and courted obscurity. I have been fortunate to have succeeded on both counts.


  75. waldensianspirit
    75 | June 29, 2012 4:10 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    :mrgreen:


  76. waldensianspirit
    76 | June 29, 2012 4:11 pm

    Issa is on Hannity


  77. heysoos
    77 | June 29, 2012 4:12 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Alex Baldwin is going to wind up in prison … or hospital

    well, that’s where two fools met…I like to mind my own business


  78. Rancher
    78 | June 29, 2012 4:12 pm

    According to the letter, the wiretap applications contained a startling amount of detail about the operation, which would have tipped off anyone who read them closely about what tactics were being used.

    Holder and Cummings have both maintained that the wiretap applications did not contain such details and that the applications were reviewed narrowly for probable cause, not for whether any investigatory tactics contained followed Justice Department policy.

    Holder and Elijah Cummings lied about a court sealed wiretap application but Issa broke the law and entered it into the Congressional Record. Issa has immunity because of the Speech or Debate Clause in the Constitution.


  79. yenta-fada
    79 | June 29, 2012 4:14 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Like their marriages. Holmes kickin’ loose from cruise. Wants sole custody

    I have assiduously eschewed great fortune and courted obscurity. I have been fortunate to have succeeded on both counts.

    I was born with nothing and still have most of it. :-)


  80. Rancher
    80 | June 29, 2012 4:14 pm

    But then you know all that….


  81. Urban Infidel
    81 | June 29, 2012 4:18 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Alex Baldwin is going to wind up in prison … or hospital

    I’m not sure why he gets this much attention. He’s terribly boring.


  82. Urban Infidel
    82 | June 29, 2012 4:19 pm

    Hey MacDuff, I was flipping through this slideshow of hipster doofusses and this guy is wearing your colors!


  83. yenta-fada
    83 | June 29, 2012 4:20 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Justice Department shields Holder from prosecution after contempt vote

    What could possibly be improper about that?

    Mark Twain was always merciless on the nature of Congress. However, even he could not have anticipated lying Marxist Black Muslims. It is a coup d’etat for all practical purposes if these criminals get in again.


  84. huckfunn
    84 | June 29, 2012 4:21 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    I was born with nothing and still have most of it.

    When you got nuthin’
    You got nuthin’ to lose…
    Bob Dylan


  85. MacDuff
    85 | June 29, 2012 4:21 pm

    From Weasel Zippers

    Obama Threatens To Veto Defense Spending Bill Unless Soldiers Are Forced To Pay Higher Health Care Fees…

    My outrage muscle is being overdeveloped.


  86. yenta-fada
    86 | June 29, 2012 4:22 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Alex Baldwin is going to wind up in prison … or hospital

    I’m not sure why he gets this much attention. He’s terribly boring.

    So is ‘reality TV’ starring shallow nobodies. I pray they don’t interrupt their TV watching to go out and vote.


  87. yenta-fada
    87 | June 29, 2012 4:24 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Hey MacDuff, I was flipping through this slideshow of hipster doofusses and this guy is wearing your colors!

    LOL!


  88. yenta-fada
    88 | June 29, 2012 4:25 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    From Weasel Zippers

    Obama Threatens To Veto Defense Spending Bill Unless Soldiers Are Forced To Pay Higher Health Care Fees…

    My outrage muscle is being overdeveloped.

    I have the distinct feeling that we will need that training.


  89. Urban Infidel
    89 | June 29, 2012 4:25 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    What man would walk out in the street dressed like that? OMG>


  90. MacDuff
    90 | June 29, 2012 4:28 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Hey MacDuff, I was flipping through this slideshow of hipster doofusses and this guy is wearing your colors!

    HA! :D I can assure you that this is NOT a bastard son abandoned years ago at a Green Party rally, just to be annoying. Nope, never happened.


  91. buzzsawmonkey
    91 | June 29, 2012 4:28 pm

    Hey, everyone: Go over to the current C2 afternoon thread and copy off the “Repeal” image at the top.

    I suggested it; Zombie created it; several folks are trying to sell it to the Romney campaign. The image is free to all comers. Spread it around.


  92. MacDuff
    92 | June 29, 2012 4:31 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    What man would walk out in the street dressed like that? OMG>

    Someone with issues, professional grade issues.


  93. Urban Infidel
    93 | June 29, 2012 4:31 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I love it!

    Spreading now…


  94. MacDuff
    94 | June 29, 2012 4:32 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Hey, everyone: Go over to the current C2 afternoon thread and copy off the “Repeal” image at the top.

    I suggested it; Zombie created it; several folks are trying to sell it to the Romney campaign. The image is free to all comers. Spread it around.

    Got it! Cool.


  95. Rancher
    95 | June 29, 2012 4:32 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Justice Department shields Holder from prosecution after contempt vote
    What could possibly be improper about that?

    They anticipated this, that’s why they had a separate civil contempt vote. Even more Dems crossed the isle in that vote. Now they can take it to court. It will take a long time but this isn’t over. Dems will howl but they did the same thing when they wanted info on the Alberto Gonzalez case where he legally fired some attorneys. Nobody died in that little dust-up but Gonzalez was forced out. Damn hypocrites.


  96. Speranza
    96 | June 29, 2012 4:35 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Justice Department shields Holder from prosecution after contempt vote

    They are giving us so much ammunition for November we really better utilize it.


  97. Speranza
    97 | June 29, 2012 4:36 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:
    Thanks for your stepping in for me down thread with her. I want nothing more to do with that topic.


  98. MacDuff
    98 | June 29, 2012 4:37 pm

    @ Rancher:

    I was rather startled when I heard that Holder was the first AG to be held in either civil to criminal contempt. We’ve had some world-class rogues as AG, and they’re always butting heads with Congress. it’s amazing this hasn’t happened before.

    Everything about Obama is so friggin’ historic.


  99. Speranza
    99 | June 29, 2012 4:38 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Hey, everyone: Go over to the current C2 afternoon thread and copy off the “Repeal” image at the top.
    I suggested it; Zombie created it; several folks are trying to sell it to the Romney campaign. The image is free to all comers. Spread it around.

    That is terrific. Romney’s camp needs to use it.


  100. MacDuff
    100 | June 29, 2012 4:39 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    They are giving us so much ammunition for November we really better utilize it.

    So far, the campaign has been virtually flawless.

    So far.


  101. Speranza
    101 | June 29, 2012 4:39 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I was rather startled when I heard that Holder was the first AG to be held in either civil to criminal contempt. We’ve had some world-class rogues as AG,

    John Mitchell being exhibit number 1 and let’s face it -- RFK was not exactly scrupulous in his dealings as AG.


  102. Speranza
    102 | June 29, 2012 4:39 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Also Janet “Stretch” Reno.


  103. Speranza
    103 | June 29, 2012 4:41 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    So far, the campaign has been virtually flawless.

    So far.

    It helps that unlike with the lumpkin we had in 2008, we have a guy (who for all my suspicions about him) who is committed to victory.


  104. Speranza
    104 | June 29, 2012 4:42 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Everything about Obama is so friggin’ historic.

    Hopefully he will make history as the first “black” (he is 1/2 black) POTUS to be voted out of office.


  105. Speranza
    105 | June 29, 2012 4:43 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    From Weasel Zippers
    Obama Threatens To Veto Defense Spending Bill Unless Soldiers Are Forced To Pay Higher Health Care Fees…
    My outrage muscle is being overdeveloped.

    There are times I wish Obama were a regular Joe Citizen so I could punch him in the nose.


  106. Urban Infidel
    106 | June 29, 2012 4:43 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    Thanks for your stepping in for me down thread with her. I want nothing more to do with that topic.

    I’m all for discussing it. I’m curious why the obsession with it?


  107. Speranza
    107 | June 29, 2012 4:44 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    I think the voting age needs to be raised to 24.

    Or at least 21. I would, however, allow voting for anyone with a military ID.

    Yes -- being in the service should allow you to vote.


  108. MacDuff
    108 | June 29, 2012 4:44 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    John Mitchell being exhibit number 1 and let’s face it – RFK was not exactly scrupulous in his dealings as AG.

    Beneath Bobby’s doe-eyed idealistic exterior beat the heart of a Mafia hit man. Then again, a lot of presidents have used their AGs as hatchet men.


  109. RIX
    109 | June 29, 2012 4:45 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Have you seen our Congressman?
    Jesse Jackson Jr has been missing from the
    House for the last three weeks.Last week his office
    put out a statement that JJ is suffering exhastion &
    will not reveal where he is.
    These rich, pampered assholes sure get “exhausted” a lot.</blockquote

    I don’t believe the cover story for a minute.


  110. yenta-fada
    110 | June 29, 2012 4:45 pm

    A great podcast with John Williams of ‘shadow stats’. He cuts through the bs on the lying numbers that government agencies put out. It’s on the ‘Turd’ Ferguson site. Ignore the name. The guy is good and funny.

    http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/podcast/3976/tfmr-podcast-24-econ-101-john-williams


  111. Speranza
    111 | June 29, 2012 4:45 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    @ Urban Infidel:
    Thanks for your stepping in for me down thread with her. I want nothing more to do with that topic.

    I’m all for discussing it. I’m curious why the obsession with it?

    She is an obsessive contrarian with a bit of Debbie Schlussel in her. Normally I get along with her most of the time (although her defense of George Soros is a bit strange to me) but she has become a bit strident on this Smith incident.


  112. yenta-fada
    112 | June 29, 2012 4:46 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Hey, everyone: Go over to the current C2 afternoon thread and copy off the “Repeal” image at the top.

    I suggested it; Zombie created it; several folks are trying to sell it to the Romney campaign. The image is free to all comers. Spread it around.

    That is great. I wish I knew someone in the bidness.


  113. Speranza
    113 | June 29, 2012 4:47 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Have you seen our Congressman?
    Jesse Jackson Jr has been missing from the
    House for the last three weeks.Last week his office
    put out a statement that JJ is suffering exhastion &
    will not reveal where he is.

    Maybe he is having his own Mark Sanford moment.


  114. NoThreat2U
    114 | June 29, 2012 4:48 pm

    @ RIX:
    Exhausted? He’s probably in rehab.


  115. Speranza
    115 | June 29, 2012 4:49 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Beneath Bobby’s doe-eyed idealistic exterior beat the heart of a Mafia hit man. Then again, a lot of presidents have used their AGs as hatchet men.

    The more I read about RFK, the more unappealing he is to me. He really could be utterly ruthless to the point of cruelty.


  116. Speranza
    116 | June 29, 2012 4:50 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Then again, a lot of presidents have used their AGs as hatchet men.

    I am so glad they passed a law where a POTUS could not appoint a relative to his cabinet. Talk about a conflict of interest having your brother as Attorney General while you are president!


  117. buzzsawmonkey
    117 | June 29, 2012 4:53 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    That is great. I wish I knew someone in the bidness.

    Send it to people so that they can print out their own lawn signs or window posters or whatever.


  118. Rancher
    118 | June 29, 2012 4:55 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Awesome.


  119. Buckeye Abroad
    119 | June 29, 2012 4:55 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    I think the voting age needs to be raised to 24.

    Or at least 21. I would, however, allow voting for anyone with a military ID.

    Yes – being in the service should allow you to vote.

    And drink a beer at the local watering hole and purchase a pistol.

    When I rotated back from Korea, I was denied both while home on leave due to my age. Funny thing was, I was trying to buy a Colt M1911 which I carried almost everyday on the job.

    What a strange country.


  120. buzzsawmonkey
    120 | June 29, 2012 4:56 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I am so glad they passed a law where a POTUS could not appoint a relative to his cabinet. Talk about a conflict of interest having your brother as Attorney General while you are president!

    Holder is not Obama’s brother, but they are “bruthas.”

    And, for what it’s worth, it would be appropriate to say to Holder, “yo’ mama…”


  121. Urban Infidel
    121 | June 29, 2012 4:57 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Send it to people so that they can print out their own lawn signs or window posters or whatever.

    In Williamsburg I’d be the only one.


  122. Speranza
    122 | June 29, 2012 4:58 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Holder is not Obama’s brother, but they are “bruthas.”

    And, for what it’s worth, it would be appropriate to say to Holder, “yo’ mama…”

    Not touching that!


  123. Speranza
    123 | June 29, 2012 4:58 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Send it to people so that they can print out their own lawn signs or window posters or whatever.

    In Williamsburg I’d be the only one.

    You are right about that.

    Btw she is referring to Williamsburg Brooklyn not the colonial one in Virginia.


  124. buzzsawmonkey
    124 | June 29, 2012 4:59 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    In Williamsburg I’d be the only one.

    Well, north of the bridge maybe.


  125. Speranza
    125 | June 29, 2012 5:00 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    And drink a beer at the local watering hole and purchase a pistol.

    In my opinion the drinking age should be 21 with no exceptions.


  126. Urban Infidel
    126 | June 29, 2012 5:02 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Well, north of the bridge maybe.

    Definitely north of the bridge. I do have an NRA sticker in my front window.

    I’ll tell you what I don’t see around here anywhere, is any sign of support for Obama. No street art, no nothing. A big, fat zilch as compared to ’08.


  127. Rancher
    127 | June 29, 2012 5:07 pm

    @ Speranza:
    In countries with no drinking age you have far less alcohol abuse, at least they did a few decades ago. I saw this for myself, at least among twenty somethings, when I went to Spain in the seventies.


  128. Urban Infidel
    128 | June 29, 2012 5:07 pm

    245 years ago today in American History. As Britain continued to impose taxes on the colonists, reactions turned violent toward tories and British officials. British Parliament enacted laws levying import duties on glass, red and white lead, painters’ colors, paper and tea, received at seaports of the American colonies. …

    These are known as the Townshend Acts.

    Reactions in the colonies were similar to those during the Stamp Act Crisis. Once again nonimportation was implemented. Extralegal activities such as harassing tax collectors and merchants who violated the boycotts were common. The colonial assemblies sprung into action.


  129. Buckeye Abroad
    129 | June 29, 2012 5:09 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    And drink a beer at the local watering hole and purchase a pistol.

    In my opinion the drinking age should be 21 with no exceptions.

    Differnent cultural backgrounds places out. Where I currenlty reside, 16 year olds can purchase beer. I resent that fact that 18-20 years can die for the country, but you would refuse them in a pub. Strange.


  130. grambo
    130 | June 29, 2012 5:11 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    I think the voting age needs to be raised to 24.
    Or at least 21. I would, however, allow voting for anyone with a military ID.

    Yes – being in the service should allow you to vote.

    May have to do with maturity. When I went back to college after four years in the crotch I hung with fellow veterans. Most of the kids were…. just kids.


  131. Urban Infidel
    131 | June 29, 2012 5:12 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    In my opinion the drinking age should be 21 with no exceptions.

    I remember very well when it was 18 and nobody checked for ID, ever. I was 15 and 16 and going to clubs in the city. And if they did check you could get away with any laughable forgery. It all changed when Jennifer Levin was killed in Central Park. They cracked down on every bar in the city and it’s never relented.


  132. yenta-fada
    132 | June 29, 2012 5:12 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    http://screwtapefiles.blogspot.ca/2012/06/good-versus-evil.html


  133. Macker
    133 | June 29, 2012 5:13 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Hopefully he will make history as the first “black” (he is 1/2 black) POTUS to be voted out of office.

    Mulatto….


  134. yenta-fada
    134 | June 29, 2012 5:14 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    I just meant to post the graphics, not the essay.


  135. MacDuff
    135 | June 29, 2012 5:15 pm

    grambo wrote:

    May have to do with maturity. When I went back to college after four years in the crotch I hung with fellow veterans. Most of the kids were…. just kids.

    When I got back from the Navy, I did notice that I felt much older than others my age. Immaturity is shed pretty quickly in Boot Camp.


  136. buzzsawmonkey
    136 | June 29, 2012 5:16 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Immaturity is shed pretty quickly in Boot Camp.

    Ah, but “boot camp” has been converted to “light-in-the-loafers camp,” has it not?


  137. MacDuff
    137 | June 29, 2012 5:18 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Mulatto….

    I’ll take a grande caramel mulatto with a s…………


  138. MacDuff
    138 | June 29, 2012 5:21 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Ah, but “boot camp” has been converted to “light-in-the-loafers camp,” has it not?

    So I hear. I also heard the Shellback Ceremony (essentially a hazing) has been all but eliminated. When Boomers start saying “these kids aren’t as tough as we were”, you know you got problems.


  139. huckfunn
    139 | June 29, 2012 5:22 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    Immaturity is shed pretty quickly in Boot Camp.

    Ah, but “boot camp” has been converted to “light-in-the-loafers camp,” has it not?

    New marching song at Fort Bragg…

    I wanna be a broke back ranger
    Live a life of sex and danger
    I wanna go to Viet Nam
    I wanna blow a Viet Cong
    Yer left, yer left,
    Yer left right left…


  140. buzzsawmonkey
    140 | June 29, 2012 5:22 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Mulatto

    So, you would refer to the First Couple as “Mulatto and Cameltoe”?


  141. MacDuff
    141 | June 29, 2012 5:23 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I’ll tell you what I don’t see around here anywhere, is any sign of support for Obama. No street art, no nothing. A big, fat zilch as compared to ’08.

    Maybe Obama should serenade attendees with “The Thrill is Gone”.


  142. huckfunn
    142 | June 29, 2012 5:27 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    So, you would refer to the First Couple as “Mulatto and Cameltoe”?

    Joe Camel Toe


  143. MacDuff
    143 | June 29, 2012 5:31 pm

    New Poll: Voters Dislike Supreme Court’s Obamacare Ruling

    It would appear that the peeps aren’t that relieved that their health care has been rescued from the evil Republicans.


  144. heysoos
    144 | June 29, 2012 5:31 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:
    I’ll tell you what I don’t see around here anywhere, is any sign of support for Obama. No street art, no nothing. A big, fat zilch as compared to ’08.
    Maybe Obama should serenade attendees with “The Thrill is Gone”.

    sure drag Blues Boy into it…that’s a penalty


  145. heysoos
    145 | June 29, 2012 5:49 pm

    front page of the Albuquerque Journal….
    Schott Solar is shutting down, 200 jobs gone…
    victim of BO’s Green revolution….nice recovery we have here, eh?


  146. Rancher
    146 | June 29, 2012 5:53 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Maybe Obama should serenade attendees with “The Thrill is Gone”.

    obama thrill is gone 1,300,000 hits on Google. BB King sang it to Obama.


  147. heysoos
    147 | June 29, 2012 6:01 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:
    Maybe Obama should serenade attendees with “The Thrill is Gone”.
    obama thrill is gone 1,300,000 hits on Google. BB King sang it to Obama.

    well then I hate King, Mississippi, guitars and cheap whiskey


  148. MacDuff
    148 | June 29, 2012 6:10 pm

    @ Rancher:

    I decided a long time ago that excluding liberal artists does nothing but limit my enjoyment. I wish they’d STFU about their politics, but they have the right to make fools of themselves.


  149. heysoos
    149 | June 29, 2012 6:11 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ Rancher:
    I decided a long time ago that excluding liberal artists does nothing but limit my enjoyment. I wish they’d STFU about their politics, but they have the right to make fools of themselves.

    BB King can do what he wants…the guy should be sainted
    don’t get me started


  150. MacDuff
    150 | June 29, 2012 6:35 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I agree. He channels his soul through his guitar.


  151. heysoos
    151 | June 29, 2012 6:37 pm

    BB King has brought more joy and happiness to the human race than BO could in 50 lifetimes…he suffered, worked hard, overcame racism, excelled to the point where he’s performed for presidents, kings and queens, and even you if you wanted…he does 300 or more shows a year more than half his life…he’s become filthy rich and gives away tons of money…he’s never said a bad thing about anybody in his long career…he is highly educated, very articulate, cares about the world, and has spent his entire life expressing peace and brotherhood…he does not condemn the very people that made his life so miserable early on….BB is an awesome man and humanitarian…read up on his remarkable life…BunkX will be pissed when he finds out I met the man, twice


  152. Rancher
    152 | June 29, 2012 6:40 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I decided a long time ago that excluding liberal artists does nothing but limit my enjoyment.

    Boy that’s for sure. I loved Cat Ballou but hate Jane Fonda. You just have to separate the work from the artist. I was wondering if BB was sending Obama a message?


  153. heysoos
    153 | June 29, 2012 6:47 pm

    @ Rancher:
    I’m a music nut and a blues fan…culturally I think BB King is as profound or more so than any modern day president, that’s how important he his to our culture….King towers over wimps like Obama


  154. Rancher
    154 | June 29, 2012 6:57 pm

    OK, now I’m hearing that Roberts got two liberals to sign off on the premise that the federal government can’t withhold federal funds because a state won’t do what congress wants them to do. That would be huge.

    Why Chief Justice Roberts Made the Right Long-Term Decision With ObamaCare

    Finally, he struck down as unconstitutional, the Obama-care idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing medicaid funding. Liberals, through Obama-care, basically said to the states — ‘comply with Obama-care or we will stop existing funding.’ Roberts ruled that is a no-no. If a state takes the money, fine, the Feds can tell the state how to run a program, but if the state refuses money, the federal government can’t penalize the state by yanking other funding.


  155. grambo
    155 | June 29, 2012 7:06 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    OK, now I’m hearing that Roberts got two liberals to sign off on the premise that the federal government can’t withhold federal funds because a state won’t do what congress wants them to do. That would be huge.
    Why Chief Justice Roberts Made the Right Long-Term Decision With ObamaCare
    Finally, he struck down as unconstitutional, the Obama-care idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing medicaid funding. Liberals, through Obama-care, basically said to the states — ‘comply with Obama-care or we will stop existing funding.’ Roberts ruled that is a no-no. If a state takes the money, fine, the Feds can tell the state how to run a program, but if the state refuses money, the federal government can’t penalize the state by yanking other funding.

    I knew that from the link NT2U posted yesterday. The more I read about this, the more I am convinced there will be those on here that will have to eat some crow about cussin’ Roberts.
    But then, I could be wrong. Like my crow slow-roasted.


  156. Da_Beerfreak
    156 | June 29, 2012 7:13 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Macker wrote:

    Mulatto

    So, you would refer to the First Couple as “Mulatto and Cameltoe”?

    I prefer First Wookiee and her pet Orc… :twisted:


  157. huckfunn
    157 | June 29, 2012 7:34 pm

    @ grambo:

    Finally, he struck down as unconstitutional, the Obama-care idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing medicaid funding.

    I knew that from the link NT2U posted yesterday. The more I read about this, the more I am convinced there will be those on here that will have to eat some crow about cussin’ Roberts.
    But then, I could be wrong. Like my crow slow-roasted.

    Here’s my question. Why didn’t he strike down as unconstitutional the Obama-care idea that the government can bully individuals into buying healthcare by levying a tax on them?

    Next. If any precedents were set in the ruling, it is the precedent that the government can tax you for inactivity. Everyone must buy a Chevy Volt. Grambo didn’t buy a Chevy Volt. Let’s tax him $2,000.

    For whatever reason, Roberts saw it as his duty to save this crap legislation and in doing so he re-wrote the legislation to define a penalty as a tax. And now we’re stuck with this POS until we can get it appealed. Just my opinion.


  158. heysoos
    158 | June 29, 2012 7:43 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    he had no choice…the legislation is not unConstitutional…if it were, are you saying he’s violated the law?


  159. brookly red
    159 | June 29, 2012 7:47 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    I am inclined to agree… it’s kinda like saying OK, the fee to have Tony haul away your trash is 100 bucks a week… the fee to have Tony NOT haul away your trash is 150 bucks a week. What time you want Tony should come by?


  160. Da_Beerfreak
    160 | June 29, 2012 7:48 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    The fight is not over.


  161. huckfunn
    161 | June 29, 2012 7:49 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    he had no choice…the legislation is not unConstitutional…if it were, are you saying he’s violated the law?

    What do you mean he had no choice? 4 other justices chose other than he chose. Are you saying that they violated the law. Your question is a non-sequitur.


  162. huckfunn
    162 | June 29, 2012 7:50 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    I am inclined to agree… it’s kinda like saying OK, the fee to have Tony haul away your trash is 100 bucks a week… the fee to have Tony NOT haul away your trash is 150 bucks a week. What time you want Tony should come by?

    Well put. A tax/penalty for inactivity.


  163. huckfunn
    163 | June 29, 2012 7:50 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    The fight is not over.

    Not by a long shot.


  164. brookly red
    164 | June 29, 2012 7:50 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    The fight is not over.

    skippy. I can see the backlash not only ousting O but causing the Dems to lose the senate too.


  165. heysoos
    165 | June 29, 2012 7:51 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ huckfunn:
    he had no choice…the legislation is not unConstitutional…if it were, are you saying he’s violated the law?

    What do you mean he had no choice? 4 other justices chose other than he chose. Are you saying that they violated the law. Your question is a non-sequitur.

    yes, I guess I am…nobody can define for me the unCon nature of Roberts decision…can you?


  166. huckfunn
    166 | June 29, 2012 7:51 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    skippy. I can see the backlash not only ousting O but causing the Dems to lose the senate too.

    I’m going to do a post over the weekend about how the GOP can take back the Senate.


  167. huckfunn
    167 | June 29, 2012 7:52 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    yes, I guess I am…nobody can define for me the unCon nature of Roberts decision…can you?

    Nope.


  168. NoThreat2U
    168 | June 29, 2012 7:53 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Banks do that. My son’s bank took his last seventy cents for “inactivity on his account”.


  169. brookly red
    169 | June 29, 2012 7:53 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    I am inclined to agree… it’s kinda like saying OK, the fee to have Tony haul away your trash is 100 bucks a week… the fee to have Tony NOT haul away your trash is 150 bucks a week. What time you want Tony should come by?

    Well put. A tax/penalty for inactivity.

    totally lawless, completely un-American.


  170. heysoos
    170 | June 29, 2012 7:54 pm

    we all all trying to assimilate this thing…I don’t dismiss any question, and I barely understand what’s going on…pass the bong


  171. brookly red
    171 | June 29, 2012 7:55 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Banks do that. My son’s bank took his last seventy cents for “inactivity on his account”.

    /I penalize the GF for inactivity too…


  172. heysoos
    172 | June 29, 2012 7:57 pm

    @ brookly red:
    good point, but as I see it ‘American’ is being redefined as to what’s un or what’s pro….growing pains?


  173. huckfunn
    173 | June 29, 2012 7:57 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Banks do that. My son’s bank took his last seventy cents for “inactivity on his account”.

    Totally different. Your son’s bank isn’t an elected government that governs over 300 million people. The bank is just a business. If he doesn’t like their policies, he can choose to take his business elsewhere.


  174. brookly red
    174 | June 29, 2012 7:58 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    skippy. I can see the backlash not only ousting O but causing the Dems to lose the senate too.

    I’m going to do a post over the weekend about how the GOP can take back the Senate.

    Cool! don’t forget the 26 states, (26 I think) that want nothing to do with this.


  175. heysoos
    175 | June 29, 2012 7:58 pm

    thank god I got a pile of killer weed in reserve…
    bring it on!


  176. NoThreat2U
    176 | June 29, 2012 7:59 pm

    @ brookly red:
    *giggle* Maybe if you learned to do what you are told……

    :)


  177. brookly red
    177 | June 29, 2012 7:59 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    good point, but as I see it ‘American’ is being redefined as to what’s un or what’s pro….growing pains?

    No lawlessness… “American” is defined by the constitution and this ain’t it.


  178. NoThreat2U
    178 | June 29, 2012 8:01 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    I wasn’t trying to say it was the same, but in essence this is people being taken advantage of.


  179. huckfunn
    179 | June 29, 2012 8:02 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    we all all trying to assimilate this thing…I don’t dismiss any question, and I barely understand what’s going on…pass the bong

    That’s where I’m coming from. After reading those “Roberts is a genius” articles last night, I was almost convinced. However, I’m now of the opinion that it was wishful (hopeful) thinking and I’m thouroghly convinced that Roberts was legislating from the bench.


  180. brookly red
    180 | June 29, 2012 8:04 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    skippy. I can see the backlash not only ousting O but causing the Dems to lose the senate too.

    I’m going to do a post over the weekend about how the GOP can take back the Senate.

    Hey… I got a tag line. the 3 H’s. healthcare, holder & homeland security


  181. brookly red
    181 | June 29, 2012 8:06 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    we all all trying to assimilate this thing…I don’t dismiss any question, and I barely understand what’s going on…pass the bong

    That’s where I’m coming from. After reading those “Roberts is a genius” articles last night, I was almost convinced. However, I’m now of the opinion that it was wishful (hopeful) thinking and I’m thouroghly convinced that Roberts was legislating from the bench.

    could be as simple as Holder reminding him that “there still are a lot of f&f guns unaccounted for” I wouldn’t put it past them.


  182. huckfunn
    182 | June 29, 2012 8:07 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    I wasn’t trying to say it was the same, but in essence this is people being taken advantage of.

    I remember having the same problems with banks, insurance companies, etc… when I was a young pup. I learned how the systems work and how to protect my interests. I still have to monitor my various utility and credit accounts on a routine basis. They are constantly trying to steal from me.


  183. grambo
    183 | June 29, 2012 8:07 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    we all all trying to assimilate this thing…I don’t dismiss any question, and I barely understand what’s going on…pass the bong

    That’s where I’m coming from. After reading those “Roberts is a genius” articles last night, I was almost convinced. However, I’m now of the opinion that it was wishful (hopeful) thinking and I’m thouroghly convinced that Roberts was legislating from the bench.

    I think seeing “The Biggest Tax Increase in World History” banners, stickers, adds, etc. all over the place this Fall might sway you back.


  184. heysoos
    184 | June 29, 2012 8:08 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    as far as I can tell, Roberts did the right thing…there was no way to strike down the entire law…if so on what grounds?


  185. huckfunn
    185 | June 29, 2012 8:10 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    there was no way to strike down the entire law…if so on what grounds?

    Of course there was a way to strike it down. 4 dissenting justices struck it down in it’s entirety. On what grounds? I’m not sure as I haven’t read the opinions.


  186. huckfunn
    186 | June 29, 2012 8:11 pm

    grambo wrote:

    I think seeing “The Biggest Tax Increase in World History” banners, stickers, adds, etc. all over the place this Fall might sway you back.

    Back to what?


  187. grambo
    187 | June 29, 2012 8:11 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ grambo:
    Finally, he struck down as unconstitutional, the Obama-care idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing medicaid funding.
    I knew that from the link NT2U posted yesterday. The more I read about this, the more I am convinced there will be those on here that will have to eat some crow about cussin’ Roberts.
    But then, I could be wrong. Like my crow slow-roasted.
    Here’s my question. Why didn’t he strike down as unconstitutional the Obama-care idea that the government can bully individuals into buying healthcare by levying a tax on them?
    Next. If any precedents were set in the ruling, it is the precedent that the government can tax you for inactivity. Everyone must buy a Chevy Volt. Grambo didn’t buy a Chevy Volt. Let’s tax him $2,000.
    For whatever reason, Roberts saw it as his duty to save this crap legislation and in doing so he re-wrote the legislation to define a penalty as a tax. And now we’re stuck with this POS until we can get it appealed. Just my opinion.

    In effect, they already are taxing me. If my neighbor gets a $4000 rebate on one and I choose not to buy, then I am paying a defacto $4000 tax.
    Was that a stretch?? //


  188. grambo
    188 | June 29, 2012 8:12 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    grambo wrote:
    I think seeing “The Biggest Tax Increase in World History” banners, stickers, adds, etc. all over the place this Fall might sway you back.

    Back to what?

    Back to thinking that article has merit.


  189. heysoos
    189 | June 29, 2012 8:12 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    there was no way to strike down the entire law…if so on what grounds?
    Of course there was a way to strike it down. 4 dissenting justices struck it down in it’s entirety. On what grounds? I’m not sure as I haven’t read the opinions.

    me neither…I should read the opinions before I post, but I’m rolling a joint right now and have lost interest….maybe I’ll do some Howlin Wolf while it gets hashed out…I’m not a political guy


  190. heysoos
    190 | June 29, 2012 8:14 pm

    @ grambo:
    right…hide your money


  191. huckfunn
    191 | June 29, 2012 8:16 pm

    grambo wrote:

    In effect, they already are taxing me. If my neighbor gets a $4000 rebate on one and I choose not to buy, then I am paying a defacto $4000 tax.
    Was that a stretch?? //

    That was a stretch but I get yer point. :wink:


  192. NoThreat2U
    192 | June 29, 2012 8:16 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Bastards nickel and dime you to death. It’s ridiculous


  193. huckfunn
    193 | June 29, 2012 8:17 pm

    grambo wrote:

    Back to thinking that article has merit.

    I don’t think so. I’ve dug my foxhole on the beach and I’m here to stay. It was a bad deal. Real bad.


  194. huckfunn
    194 | June 29, 2012 8:18 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Bastards nickel and dime you to death. It’s ridiculous

    You gotta keep your eyes wide open at all times; especially when they’re after your money.


  195. NoThreat2U
    195 | June 29, 2012 8:20 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    I agree. I am always looking more closely at the important mail I get.


  196. heysoos
    196 | June 29, 2012 8:23 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    me too…I don’t deal with the feds anymore…my money is spread out in various accounts in others’ name…the IRS can’t touch me, I have no debt…it can be done but it took me years, and I don’t own anything in my name or have any debt, or leave much of a trail via my debit cards…the trail is there but the money is insignificant…it can be done


  197. brookly red
    197 | June 29, 2012 8:24 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Bastards nickel and dime you to death. It’s ridiculous

    You gotta keep your eyes wide open at all times; especially when they’re after your money.

    just assume they are after your money…


  198. NoThreat2U
    198 | June 29, 2012 8:25 pm

    @ brookly red:
    No need to assume…..I know they really ARE!


  199. grambo
    199 | June 29, 2012 8:28 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    grambo wrote:
    Back to thinking that article has merit.
    I don’t think so. I’ve dug my foxhole on the beach and I’m here to stay. It was a bad deal. Real bad.

    Well, we’ll know soon enough as this plays out. Right now it’s like debating who’ll win the World Series. Nothing we say will affect the outcome.

    While I’m at it, there is a list of current GOP legislation regarding healthcare.
    From Marsha B.


  200. brookly red
    200 | June 29, 2012 8:31 pm

    grambo wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    grambo wrote:
    Back to thinking that article has merit.
    I don’t think so. I’ve dug my foxhole on the beach and I’m here to stay. It was a bad deal. Real bad.

    Well, we’ll know soon enough as this plays out. Right now it’s like debating who’ll win the World Series. Nothing we say will affect the outcome.

    a. the Yankees
    b. of course it will… it depends on who you say it to -- and remember money talks.


  201. brookly red
    201 | June 29, 2012 8:32 pm

    you know the beauty of 90+ degree weather? the pizza is still hot when it gets here.


  202. huckfunn
    202 | June 29, 2012 8:33 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    just assume they are after your money…

    They are.


  203. Da_Beerfreak
    203 | June 29, 2012 8:35 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    grambo wrote:

    Back to thinking that article has merit.

    I don’t think so. I’ve dug my foxhole on the beach and I’m here to stay. It was a bad deal. Real bad.

    The Cold Civil War™ got a little warmer yesterday. :evil:


  204. huckfunn
    204 | June 29, 2012 8:37 pm

    grambo wrote:

    Well, we’ll know soon enough as this plays out. Right now it’s like debating who’ll win the World Series. Nothing we say will affect the outcome.

    While I’m at it, there is a list of current GOP legislation regarding healthcare.
    From Marsha B.

    Lots of moving parts and pieces to the Hellcare debate. I feel strongly that we now have to drive a stake through it’s heart via Congress. I guess I’m all done with it for tonight. I’ve got a nice slab of wild salmon marinating in a blue cheese vinagarette dressing. Just about time to slap it on the grill.

    Later…


  205. huckfunn
    205 | June 29, 2012 8:39 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    The Cold Civil War™ got a little warmer yesterday.

    Indeed it did. Onward to the front. Let’s git ‘er done.


  206. grambo
    206 | June 29, 2012 8:40 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    grambo wrote:
    huckfunn wrote:
    grambo wrote:
    Back to thinking that article has merit.
    I don’t think so. I’ve dug my foxhole on the beach and I’m here to stay. It was a bad deal. Real bad.
    Well, we’ll know soon enough as this plays out. Right now it’s like debating who’ll win the World Series. Nothing we say will affect the outcome.

    a. the Yankees
    b. of course it will… it depends on who you say it to – and remember money talks.

    a. Can’t argue about that. I live in Nashville but grew up in NY.
    b. Money to whom? I sent Mitt another $2,000 today. Sent him zero in the primaries, but now that he’s the anit-Bama I’ll do everything I can.


  207. brookly red
    207 | June 29, 2012 8:40 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    The Cold Civil War™ got a little warmer yesterday.

    Indeed it did. Onward to the front. Let’s git ‘er done.

    Right f’n on! (which ways the front?)


  208. NoThreat2U
    208 | June 29, 2012 8:42 pm

    @ brookly red:
    LOL Sometimes you crack me up. LOL


  209. brookly red
    209 | June 29, 2012 8:43 pm

    grambo wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    grambo wrote:
    huckfunn wrote:
    grambo wrote:
    Back to thinking that article has merit.
    I don’t think so. I’ve dug my foxhole on the beach and I’m here to stay. It was a bad deal. Real bad.
    Well, we’ll know soon enough as this plays out. Right now it’s like debating who’ll win the World Series. Nothing we say will affect the outcome.

    a. the Yankees
    b. of course it will… it depends on who you say it to – and remember money talks.

    a. Can’t argue about that. I live in Nashville but grew up in NY.
    b. Money to whom? I sent Mitt another $2,000 today. Sent him zero in the primaries, but now that he’s the anit-Bama I’ll do everything I can.

    the fight is in the senate, if your state is safe (or a lost cause like mine)then a swing state is where the money needs to be.


  210. heysoos
    210 | June 29, 2012 8:45 pm

    whatever, a bitchfest is cathartic, now what?…while the feds consume your wealth, you were posting about the feds all day…good luck with that, chum
    I’m outski


  211. brookly red
    211 | June 29, 2012 8:45 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    LOL Sometimes you crack me up. LOL

    laugh or cry,


  212. brookly red
    212 | June 29, 2012 8:46 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I’m outski

    / Damn, and I was sure you were straight LOL


  213. NoThreat2U
    213 | June 29, 2012 8:47 pm

    @ brookly red:
    I guess it is better to go out laughing.


  214. brookly red
    214 | June 29, 2012 8:52 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    I guess it is better to go out laughing.

    don’t discount it. laughter can be a powerful weapon, pointing and laughing is more deadly than throwing stones every time.


  215. rain of lead
    215 | June 29, 2012 8:53 pm

    @ grambo:

    hey Grambo
    you have quoted the awesome Marsha B before
    you a tennessee boy?


  216. NoThreat2U
    216 | June 29, 2012 8:54 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Sometimes I think my warped sense of humor is what gets me through the day.


  217. brookly red
    217 | June 29, 2012 8:54 pm

    can some one please explain to me how this is not treason?

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/29/border-patrol-union-claims-homeland-security-safety-course-promotes/


  218. Da_Beerfreak
    218 | June 29, 2012 8:55 pm

    @ brookly red:
    March Toward the Sound of Guns.
    An old Napoleonic Rule. :wink:


  219. rain of lead
    219 | June 29, 2012 8:56 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    never mind
    just saw the later post
    we are neighbors dude
    I live near the next big town se of you


  220. rain of lead
    220 | June 29, 2012 8:58 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    March Toward the Sound of Guns.
    An old Napoleonic Rule.

    how about cannons


  221. brookly red
    221 | June 29, 2012 9:00 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    March Toward the Sound of Guns.
    An old Napoleonic Rule.

    how about cannons

    better to be behind than in front…


  222. grambo
    222 | June 29, 2012 9:02 pm

    We’ve got Lamar Rhino-extraordinaire Alexander who’s not up ’till 2014 and this year Bob Corker, a true conservative who is a lock. I’d love to get rid of the D Jim Cooper in the House, but I’m in the metro Nashville district and there are way too many warehoused voters to expect much there.
    So I’ll wait awhile and see where I might help in a couple swing states and do what I can. That’s all I can do.


  223. rain of lead
    223 | June 29, 2012 9:02 pm

    heh
    heh heh
    bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Texas students hijack a U.S. government drone in mid-air

    The U.S. government, understandably, doesn’t want its drone technology to fall out of the sky and into other peoples’ laps. But being able to hijack a drone and control it? That’s even worse. And a team of researchers has done it for 1,000 bucks.

    The University of Texas at Austin team successfully nabbed the drone on a dare from the Department of Homeland Security. They managed to do it through spoofing, a technique where a signal from hackers pretends to be the same as one sent to the drone’s GPS.

    (they dared them to…..hhahahahahahahah)


  224. rain of lead
    224 | June 29, 2012 9:05 pm

    @ grambo:

    dude
    you need to move the heck out of metro
    after the tax increase…..
    ANY of the surrounding (except for williamson) counties would be cheaper


  225. Da_Beerfreak
    225 | June 29, 2012 9:06 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    rain of lead wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    March Toward the Sound of Guns.
    An old Napoleonic Rule.

    how about cannons

    better to be behind than in front…

    Incoming has the right of way… :shock:


  226. brookly red
    226 | June 29, 2012 9:08 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    heh
    heh heh
    bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Texas students hijack a U.S. government drone in mid-air

    The U.S. government, understandably, doesn’t want its drone technology to fall out of the sky and into other peoples’ laps. But being able to hijack a drone and control it? That’s even worse. And a team of researchers has done it for 1,000 bucks.

    The University of Texas at Austin team successfully nabbed the drone on a dare from the Department of Homeland Security. They managed to do it through spoofing, a technique where a signal from hackers pretends to be the same as one sent to the drone’s GPS.

    (they dared them to…..hhahahahahahahah)

    this is serious shit. we are placing our entire military force in dependence of GPS… in a small scale it can be spoofed, hacked or jammed. on the bigger scale if we went to war with oh say china or russia or both they wouldn’t take down the satellites as step 1?


  227. grambo
    227 | June 29, 2012 9:10 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    If it’s the ‘boro, then it’s due South. I live in east end of Mt. Juliet.
    The awesome Ms. B is actually not my district (5). But I’ve got Jim Cooper with no hope in sight, so I support Marsha and am on her mailing lists.


  228. grambo
    228 | June 29, 2012 9:10 pm

    grambo wrote:

    @ rain of lead:
    If it’s the ‘boro, then it’s due South. I live in east end of Mt. Juliet.
    The awesome Ms. B is actually not my district (5). But I’ve got Jim Cooper with no hope in sight, so I support Marsha and am on her mailing lists.

    My map was upside down. I live at the far WEST end of Mt Juliet.


  229. rain of lead
    229 | June 29, 2012 9:16 pm

    @ grambo:

    still just a short hop over the line

    but still ya got the whole sell your house thing


  230. NoThreat2U
    230 | June 29, 2012 9:18 pm

    Wow. I wish you guys could see the skies where I live right now. Due to storms down toward PGH, our sky went from a bright yellow to a bright pink. It really is a sight to behold.


  231. rain of lead
    231 | June 29, 2012 9:19 pm

    @ grambo:

    and yeah just up the road from the boro
    if you are on in the am
    Iron Fist hangs his hat out in east Tenn
    near oak ridge I think


  232. rain of lead
    232 | June 29, 2012 9:21 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    we got up to 109 today
    don’t think anyone could actualy lift their head to see the sky


  233. grambo
    233 | June 29, 2012 9:21 pm

    It’s weird. I actually live in Wilson County. But voting district and a couple other things are linked to Metro (Davidson).
    But you’re right about taxes, et. al. We moved here six years ago and on the top of the list for the realtor was “no Davidson county”.


  234. NoThreat2U
    234 | June 29, 2012 9:22 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    WOW! My ass would have been at Nashville Shores or Percy Priest!


  235. rain of lead
    235 | June 29, 2012 9:22 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    some “unofficial” reports said as high as 115


  236. grambo
    236 | June 29, 2012 9:23 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ grambo:
    and yeah just up the road from the boro
    if you are on in the am
    Iron Fist hangs his hat out in east Tenn
    near oak ridge I think

    Yeah. He sold his house, finally, and I think that was the one near Knoxville. Not sure where he lives now, exactly, but somewhere up there.


  237. rain of lead
    237 | June 29, 2012 9:23 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    no fun swimming in the lake
    at this hot, it’s like swimming in a big ass bathtub


  238. brookly red
    238 | June 29, 2012 9:25 pm

    hey here is a little ditty for a friday night…

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/muslim-mob-stones-christians-in-u-s/


  239. NoThreat2U
    239 | June 29, 2012 9:27 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    OK then, the giant water bucket at Nashville Shores it is!


  240. rain of lead
    240 | June 29, 2012 9:30 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    nah, they added a lazy river and sell booze :-)

    0


  241. NoThreat2U
    241 | June 29, 2012 9:32 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    Really???? Yee haw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always wanted to float down a lazy river with a drink in hand.


  242. rain of lead
    242 | June 29, 2012 9:34 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    it’s the only way to stay cool


  243. NoThreat2U
    243 | June 29, 2012 9:36 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    I just went to their website. They really did a lot there!!


  244. rain of lead
    244 | June 29, 2012 9:40 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    yup
    wanna take the girl before she has to go back to school
    we get her from camp in the morning
    I know she had fun but it will be SO good to have her back home


  245. rain of lead
    245 | June 29, 2012 9:41 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    so
    when ya coming to mid tenn for a visit?


  246. NoThreat2U
    246 | June 29, 2012 9:41 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    Funny, Momcat said the same thing on facebook. lol


  247. NoThreat2U
    247 | June 29, 2012 9:43 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    You have my word on this….when I have the money, I am taking a roadtrip to see you guys. Right now things are tight, but who knows what may happen. I wish I could come down right now!


  248. rain of lead
    248 | June 29, 2012 9:45 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    still want to treat you to martins bbq


  249. rain of lead
    249 | June 29, 2012 9:46 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    wait till fall
    too damn hot right now


  250. NoThreat2U
    250 | June 29, 2012 9:48 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    @ rain of lead:
    That just might work for me. Tell Momcat to check her messages. Gotta explain my game plan to ya.


  251. song_and_dance_man
    251 | June 29, 2012 9:49 pm

    @ brookly red:

    that is the way of the Left. Obey or be hurt.


  252. song_and_dance_man
    252 | June 29, 2012 9:57 pm

    Evil is an all consuming effort that has adherents in many quarters. It works in all degrees of social life. We can see it working here with force. It works on an individual basis and when all too many are working for it, it hashes out in what we see there. Evil has taken hold of a good part of all civilization, and unfortunately it’s culmination will be a bad thing for not only us, but the whole world. And yes, Islam will be behind it.

    Yes I think Islam is devil worship


  253. brookly red
    253 | June 29, 2012 9:58 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    that is the way of the Left. Obey or be hurt.

    no it is more than that


  254. rain of lead
    254 | June 29, 2012 9:59 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    ok saw the plan…
    that is a plan


  255. brookly red
    255 | June 29, 2012 9:59 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Evil is an all consuming effort that has adherents in many quarters. It works in all degrees of social life. We can see it working here with force. It works on an individual basis and when all too many are working for it, it hashes out in what we see there. Evil has taken hold of a good part of all civilization, and unfortunately it’s culmination will be a bad thing for not only us, but the whole world. And yes, Islam will be behind it.

    Yes I think Islam is devil worship

    thoughtful and well written…


  256. NoThreat2U
    256 | June 29, 2012 10:02 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    I am human, therefore, I am not perfect. Though I may falter, I still try to live a life of decency and honesty. I will not fear evil but will stick to my convictions and face it straight on. Not trying to sound like a martyr here but I honestly cannot stand for something I am against body and soul. I say BRING IT. And yes, islam is devil worship. Everything God charges us NOT to do is sanctioned by their false religion.


  257. NoThreat2U
    257 | June 29, 2012 10:03 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    That is the plan. I never know when to expect “them” which is why I can’t give a time frame.


  258. song_and_dance_man
    258 | June 29, 2012 10:05 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    no it is more than that

    That is just for starters. The well informed know more.


  259. rain of lead
    259 | June 29, 2012 10:05 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    well when it happens give us a shout and we will make some plans
    no worry, no hurry


  260. brookly red
    260 | June 29, 2012 10:06 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    no it is more than that

    That is just for starters. The well informed know more.

    the time is at hand.


  261. NoThreat2U
    261 | June 29, 2012 10:09 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    Will do. I look forward to it!


  262. NoThreat2U
    262 | June 29, 2012 10:13 pm

    Gonna go relax on the couch. Been nice talking to yinz. Stay frosty if you are in the midst of the heat wave and be sure to water your pets. Goodnite peeps!


  263. song_and_dance_man
    263 | June 29, 2012 10:15 pm

    @ NoThreat2U:

    I hear that. I have lived a disheveled life, coming and going, here and there, from what I know is right. That is a common human condition. But I have never been a part of any faith that adheres to the destruction of another. We, those of us who have been trained in the spiritual; disciplines, have always known that the battle for souls is executed in prayer and not with rocks, or taking the off the head of another.

    This is where Islam fails, if one looks to the what the Lord did. It’s about sacrifice at a personal level at the hands of the haters.

    That is heady stuff; taking it one the chin, while hoping for the best that the abusers will turn from the evil they do.


  264. huckfunn
    264 | June 29, 2012 10:21 pm

    New Thread
    This is the guy who ran Fast & Furious and his ties go way up the ladder.


  265. Macker
    265 | July 1, 2012 12:45 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Ah, but “boot camp” has been converted to “light-in-the-loafers camp,” has it not?

    So I hear. I also heard the Shellback Ceremony (essentially a hazing) has been all but eliminated. When Boomers start saying “these kids aren’t as tough as we were”, you know you got problems.

    In Gay Navy….


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