This might not be ‘Lack of Institutional Control’ ; its far worse. This is immoral if not criminal and warrants the Death Penalty for PSU football from the NCAA.
And before I hear “The NCAA has no jurisdiction because this is a criminal matter”, lemme explain, the NCAA has jurisdiction under the morals and ethics clause. This is certainly immoral and unethical.
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Emails show that Penn State University officials planned to report allegations of child sex abuse by ex-assistant coach Jerry Sandusky to authorities, but changed their minds after talking to former head football coach Joe Paterno.
Potentially the most damagingemail concerns Paterno, and was sent from Curley to former Penn State president Graham Spanier.“After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps,” Curley wrote to Spanier, according to CNN. “I am having trouble with going to everyone but the person involved. I would be more comfortable meeting with the person and tell them about the information we received and tell them we are aware of the first situation.”
Spanier’s response to Curley further suggests a cover-up.
Spanier wrote back and agreed with that approach, calling it “humane and a reasonable way to proceed,” according to the report. But he also worried about the consequences.
“The only downside for us is if message isn’t ‘heard’ and acted upon and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it, but that can be assessed down the road,” the email said, according to CNN.
Paterno said his role had been limited to relaying what McQueary had told him to Curley. While Paterno, who died in January, said he wished he had done more, he hadn’t been implicated in any legal wrongdoing, and his defenders pointed to the fact he passed along what he knew. There had been no firm evidence that Paterno had a role in deciding how to follow up on the Sandusky allegations.
Curley’s email suggests the coach may have helped steer officials away from notifying outside authorities.
There’s a joke about the evils of Paterno-lism somewhere in there. Where is an angry feminist when you need one?
It’s even more proof that putting to much faith in individuals is a very dangerous practice; they’ll let you down every time. It’s sad when our heroes are revealed to be less than perfect, it’s tragic when they’re revealed to actually be monsters.
@ MacDuff:
Agreed. Admire these people (athletes, coaches, singers, musicians, actors, writers, etc. ) for their great talent -- it does not necessarily make them great people.
this is shameful.
It’s pretty obvious that PSU is a pit of academic and moral corruption. While I had always been an admirer of Jo-pa, the idea that he wouldn’t come forward to expose the Sandusky horrors is sickening.
I keep wondering when, if ever, there will be an investigation of Michael Mann for his global fraud.
A forty year ban may be warranted. That is what Yahweh imposed on the Israelites for disobeying him at Sinai.
Maybe Penn should switch to a new design of football helmet, with a Sherwin-Williams-style pouring of red down the top and sides.
They could change the team name to “the Dickheads,” too.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
How ’bout the “Lyin’ Nittanies”.
I guess it’s a good thing they don’t have executive privelege at state universities
Oh goodie -- a show biz thread!
lobo91 wrote:
But they do…
“This is also an open thread…discuss whatever yinz like,”
its right there at the end of the open post…enlighten us!
@ Mike C.:
I was referring to the fact that those emails were released, as opposed to the ones from DoJ.
this might come down to gov corbet, these poeple are all state employees. so….?
loss of pensions is being discussed as well as jail time
lobo91 wrote:
they werent released, from what i understand, it looks like CNN somehow came up with them (if i read it right…)
Here is just about the most irony you’ll see packed into one 2-minute YouTube. The chief of staff of the most transparent regime in the history of regimes being interviewed by a talking head from the “most trusted name in news”. Oh, brutha…
@ huckfunn:
i wonder when cnn will go belly up?
@ coldwarrior:
Ah…so there’s at least one person there who’s interested in seeing the truth come out.
Again, unlike DoJ…
coldwarrior wrote:
Not as long as they have exclusive contracts with damn near every airport in the country.
coldwarrior wrote:
I don’t know about their financials, but it’s gotta be pretty bad. For years I thought they were the “go-to” guys for news. Then I figgered out that they’d been lying to me the whole time. Maybe that guy who bought Newsweak for $1 can find another dollar.
lobo91 wrote:
According to the emails obtained by CNN, former athletic director Tim Curley and former vice president Gary Shultz intended to report the allegations to child welfare services but later changed course. The emails reportedly were uncovered as part of the school’s independent investigation by former FBI director Louis Freeh. Penn State president Rodney Erickson said the Freeh report could be released by the end of July. —
is what it says…too bad no one can seem to get the F&F info.
lobo91 wrote:
That’s why airport bars tend to be crowded…
Well, one reason, anyway…
lobo91 wrote:
ahhhhh!
see, i didnt know that!
“torpedoed” is one way to put it . . . or buggered
Mike C. wrote:
agreed! i would gladly go into the bar to get away form CNN, well, and to obtain some booze to make the flight experience a little more bearable…but mainly to avoid the propaganda from the CNN flat screens that look like something out of 1984.
@ huckfunn:
On about day 3 of GW I, Qatari TV switched to CNN all the time except for prayer calls and the evening local news (what His Fatness and His Fatness Apparent were up to that day.) The kids pretty much went insane…
spinmore wrote:
pick yer poison here. its gonna get a lot uglier up in happy valley.
Can’t copy this, but it is a classic. Trump on Obamacare.
https://p.twimg.com/AwsBijZCEAEF3p_.jpg
Anyone who knows how to copy and paste, please do.
@ coldwarrior:
Ever wonder why all the TV sets you see hanging from the ceiling are on CNN?
It’s the only channel they get.
@ coldwarrior:
I’ve never sat and watched one. But then, I don’t watch TV much unless there’s an old movie on, although I have seen a couple episodes of Top Shot recently. And some of those restaraunt rescues with Gordon Ramsey, which are hilareous. My wife makes me watch.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it…
Mike C. wrote:
it reminds me of the viewers in 1984, seriously.
pat wrote:
That’s a Trump classic and here it is:
@ huckfunn:
Hey, thanks Huck.
pat wrote:
You betcha!
lobo91 wrote:
i had no idea about a contract.
pat wrote:
This means a wealthy person can get healthy care for $695 just like a guy down and out without any income
pat wrote:
tweeted.
https://twitter.com/Kirlz/status/219479001738125314
pretty fair assessment:
@ pat:
perfect.
@ Mike C.:
I deleted HGTV from the channels on my TV after my ex moved out
WSJ Chief Economist: 75% of Obamacare Costs Will Fall on Backs of Those Making Less Than $120K a Year
Team Romney needs to make this a part of the ecoonmic misery we face with Obama in charge.
@ coldwarrior:
Except as a tax Obamasnare doesn’t fit the Constitution tax clauses .. well until now
@ waldensianspirit:
Obama spokesman: What does an economist have to do with healthcare?
//
lobo91 wrote:
How do you do that?
Do you have Dish?
waldensianspirit wrote:
elections have consequences. seek relief at the polls to overturn this.
what he wanted to say was, hey americans! you effed this up, now you fix it. its called personal responsibility. now get busy.
i have to agree with roberts, unfortunately. now we have some work to do to get this thing killed.
read the rest of the op piece. all is not lost, besides, the ruling is over, now time to move on and attack on a different front.
@ lobo91:
What’s HGTV? I don’t know these things, so I have no idea what is where on the cable system (Comcast) we have.
I seem to have about 40 channels here in the room/apartment, presumeably mostly Spanish, but I haven’t turned on one of my 2 TVs to check. And probably won’t. In 3.5 years of having an apartment in Houston, I only turned on the TV 3 times, 1 of those to see if it worked, 1 to see if replacing the batteries in the remote worked. It was never on for more than 5 minutes.
@ Bumr50:
I was joking.
There may be a way to do it, but I don’t know how.
@ Mike C.:
HGTV is a channel full of shows about interior decorating shows and similar crap.
Most of the males appearing on it seem to be gay.
My ex watched it all the time.
If humans didn’t age…
@ lobo91:
I want to vanish E!.
lobo91 wrote:
Home Gay TV?
That’s the kind of thing that could make me home-o-phobic.
@ Mike C.:
@ lobo91:
HGTV is the reason (at the insistence of Mrs. Funn) I ripped out perfectly good sinks, hardware and counter tops in my kitchen and all 3 bathrooms and replaced them with spiffy new sinks, hardware and granite. All for the low, low price of about $30k.
The Golden Age of coaching was with Rockne, Pop Warner &
Amos Alonzo Stag.
I viewed the second Golen Age as Holtze, Bowden &
Paterno.
Now Paterno, not so much. He disgraced himself.
The Osprey wrote:
L
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@ coldwarrior:
Conservative anger growing over Obamacare decision
This might help. A new kind of anger is taking over the initial reaction
@ huckfunn:
All I had to do was repaint half my house…
@ lobo91:
Ah. That doesn’t sound like fun. Well, I know there’s a huge crawling channel listing, and it’s overwhelmingly crap (at home, I mean), but I don’t pay much attention to it, so it doesn’t bother me much. The wife can watch whatever she wants. The stuff the grandson puts on from the Disney Channel must have Walt turning over in his grave, it’s so effing stupid. It ain’t “Rocky and Bullwinkle” or even “Animaniacs.”
The Osprey wrote:
!!!
bwahahahaha
lobo91 wrote:
Y’all parted ways before you got to the granite counter tops?
@ huckfunn:
Yup
lobo91 wrote:
You can count yourself about $30k ahead.
Wasn’t Paterno where the Brits hit the Italian navy with torpedo bombers in WWII?
Oh, that was Taranto. Never mind.
waldensianspirit wrote:
its law of the land for now, maybe next time the conservatives will fight the establishment/rino wing instead of just going along.
the election has been defined, economy and obamacare. nice and clear and concise. let the games begin!
RIX wrote:
bo and woodie?
waldensianspirit wrote:
The MLB All Star Teams have just been announced.
Two really outrageous things, Miguel Cabrera was
not voted a starter!
Even more outrageous, The Cubs have two All Stars!
WTF? This is the end of Days.
huckfunn wrote:
I want to have the kitchen and downstairs half-bath redone myself, and it ain’t gonna be cheap. Fortunately, it’s small. But while I was in China, the wife did have a lot of the flooring replaced with wood. I would have replaced every damned bit of it with wood, but she likes carpeting in some rooms.
Wall-to-wall carpeting is the second-worst thing foisted off on the American Middle Class (in homes, I mean) with expansive grass lawns being the worst. IMHO, of course.
huckfunn wrote:
Hey! I’m going to insist on granite counter tops! Even though it’s not a smart investment for our small house. I want them, and I don’t care about anybody else.
Geologist, you know…
Mike C. wrote:
I would have to agree with you there. I like the tile floors a lot of homes here in the SouthWest use.
There are a lot of idiots here in PHX with grass lawns. I’m glad I’m not paying their water bills.
Mike C. wrote:
agreed on both counts.
we ripped out ALL of the carpeting and refinished the hardwood that was hidden (really nice lookin stuff), and the yard is now trees , and grape trellises and roses and sandobxes and decks, and swings…no lawnmower for me thanks!
@ Mike C.:
Holy schist, that gets expensive!
//
That was lame…
I drifted over to Diary yesterday. Shhhesh. LGF is down to two comments a thread sometimes. And the drop off is relentless. Like Muslims, it turned out, as we all predicted, that CJ was merely a useful idiot to the Libs. Of course they would never forgive him for assisting in the destruction of CBS News. They played him like Ginsburg played Roberts.
@ Mike C.:
I bitch and moan about it, but I actually like what we did. Also, “updating” as they call it has now become a real component of the value of your house. Updated is good; non-updated is bad. The granite counter tops are not as forgiving to one’s crockery as was the old laminent.
@ coldwarrior:
Like idiots, they keep mowing the grass in our complex.
The dog now has to sniff twice as long to find a suitable spot to pee.
It’s starting to resemble an alien landscape.
@ huckfunn:I believe they did do an internal investigation and found “nothing to see here, move along”.
@ pat:
Johnson burned all of his bridges.
He came by his shuning honestly, he is a man of
no loyalty.
Buffalobob wrote:
That’s exactly what they did. Utter fraud.
Carpeting is a huge cause of allergies. Notice that the weave in traditional rugs is far tighter, shallower, and much easier to clean.
And better yet, America has a fine rug making industry, including many made from entirely natural materials. Designed to last for decades.
Mike C. wrote:
I just completely gutted my kitchen and went with the granite. You’ll not regret it, though place things like stemware down on it very gently.
I am reading the Amateur, a good read.
Moochelle now looks down on the kennedys &
really doesn’t want to associate with them.
“Their furiture is old & threadbare”
Freeking idiot, they’re antiques!
later, yinz…gonna go torture myself in the heat at the CC.
@ coldwarrior:
The roll will add a good 30 yds. to your drive!
@ Mike C.:
We went with granite. The best part is that it can take anything hot straight up. And unlike marble is impervious to kitchen cleansers and household acids. Appliance wax works great at maintaining the feel of a waxed car.
Just have to find a good granite. I’d like the Mt Airy (AKA, Mayberry) granite, although I should more properly say the Mt. Airy leucogranidiorite. I’ve been to the quarry, and it’s a beautiful white stone (feldspar and quartz) with black speckles (muscovite mica.) Very resistant, non-porous, and sort of even local (just one state away.) We have beautiful decorative stone in this country, so I see no need to pay extra for something imported.
And no, marble (both real marble and limestone) makes for crappy kitchen counters. Acid will dissolve it, and heat can crack it.
@ Mike C.:
Our experience is use a very busy pattern in cooking areas that will match most appliances. The busy pattern hides food spills, etc. As our appliances are stainless, we went with a green/gray color. Use a pretty pattern in transition areas that match the hardwood floors.
@ Mike C.:
I like the patterns in some quartzite, but I know that some are good and some bad in regards to heat and absorption.
RIX wrote:
she probably has a black velvet portrait of Che on her bedroom wall…
Bumr50 wrote:
The Clinton sandstone in some areas is a tan, pressure-welded orthoquartzite. Not the most decorative stone you’ve ever seen, but NOTHING affects that stuff. Almost killed myself with a rock pick once trying to knock a sample off an outcrop -- I learned what “perfect elastic rebound” meant, and only a quick duck saved my skull from the pointy end of the pick. Tough stuff. “Llanite”, the granite with the blue quartz from the Llano uplift (near Llano, TX) is another tough-as-hell stone.
Bumr50 wrote:
Granite and Marble have microscopic holes in them that allow bacteria to infest the counter-top. Quartz counter-tops are a made made substance that doesn’t have pores since it is a resin based material.
@ Mike C.:
I dig the blues.
I like how the brilliant colors pop.
Bumr50 wrote:
Yup… I dig them blues too… Oh…… wait….
@ doriangrey:
Nice.
But you gotta pay your dues…
I think I’ve got that covered!!
@ doriangrey:
Quartzite is naturally occurring, I think.
Like this.
@ Mike C.:
I have often wondered if one of those “universal remotes” they sell in gadget shops could be used to change channels on airport TVs.
Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
probably…
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
@ brookly red:
You’d have to find the “source,” I believe. Changing the channel on the TV would just result in snow.
An admitted improvement from CNN, but still…
Bumr50 wrote:
Hmmm, lets see.
Been shot, stabbed beat with a pipe, been robbed and beat up, had my heart broke, been thrown in jail on false and trumped up charges, had both legs broken, went through the windshield of a car and died (technically for at 18 minutes), lost all my money and had most of my friends die, including my father and younger brother.
Hmmm, I’m thinking, yea, probable done paid my dues if I ever feel like playing the blues.
@ doriangrey:
Well, he did say “quartzite”, not “quartz.” I don’t know the current industry terms, just the geological ones. I suppose one could manage to make a solid quartz (geologically speaking) counter top, although I’ve never seen such a thing. A lot of decorative stone has essentially zero porosity, although nothing is 100 %. The problem with resin is that it’s soft and easily damaged.
@ huckfunn:
I hope you used the special, non-radioactive granite!
@ doriangrey:
Yes you have your license!
Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
Well, not if they’re hard-wired to only one channel. But I have seen people in airport bars change channels on those TVs with their ‘smart’ phones…
Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
There’s no such thing…
@ Mike C.:
Yes, I was guilty of conflating the two.
Thew quartzite I linked to here was what I was originally talking about.
Stunning IMO.
Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
They make special non-radioactive granite? Who besides you knows about this?
Mike C. wrote:
BWAHAHAH… I was a health physics technician back in the later 70′s early 80′s. There is virtually nothing that doesn’t give off at least a small amount of background radiation.
@ Bumr50:
All this stuff is, is polyester resin filled with various dyed rock crystals.
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
Yes.
@ Mike C.:
I know. But some types of granite are a lot hooter than others. That nice pink stuff, full of big crystals of K-feldspar, will really set a scintillometer a-ticking. Not to mention that granite from many sources contains uraninite and monazite as accessory minerals.
Partly, I am just endlessly amused by the greentards, who would a have a full-on nervous breakdown if a nuke plant was built in the same county, who get all ecstatic about their nice, natural, pink granite countertops.
wow! what is this a home improvement thread?? cool.
My countertops are granite. i love them. nice neutral baltic brown. has black, brown the color of milk chocolate, and tiny speckles of gold. Osprey saw it at the dinner party last year.
Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
uhm, what?
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
Oh, I knew that you knew -- I just wanted to point it out to those that might not.
And not just granite, either, Never seen a functional, properly calibrated gamma ray log read zero API units in any type of rock. And those are gamma rays, boys and girls, not that piddly alpha or beta particle stuff. Rocks are hot!
Kirly wrote:
Well, geologists do get excited about this stuff, you know…
Mike C. wrote:
i guess they do!!
I am in no mood to replace the perfectly functional plastic laminate countertops in my kitchen, which has a certain sort of 1950′s retro charm to it. But I do plan to rip out the ugly carpet, and go with cork tile, or cork-finished laminate flooring.
I’d love to see a countertop company called “Ulysses S. Granite.”
Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
Just start collecting wine corks, cut ‘em in slices, lay ‘em down and fill in with grout the way they do in those vintage bathroom floors with round tiles. It might take a while to collect enough wine corks, but you’ll be recycling—and think of the fun you’ll have.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I would advise you to reconsider opening your corporate headquarters in Richmond.
@ Alberta Oil Peon:
i know some folks who got cork and almost immediatley regretted it. they said it was too soft. all manner of scratches and nics and such. but, that was about 10 years ago so things might be better now. my wood floor is an engineered maple. i love it too. very easy to keep clean.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
how do you mop them?
@ brookly red:
If the floor was done so that the cork was level the way round bathroom tiles are level, why would mopping be a problem? The grout fills in to the tops of the tiles.
Two words -- red oak.
@ huckfunn:
Really ?
i think it’s time i went in the pool. my knee feels pretty good unless i try to actually, you know, use it. and the back of my calf just under my knee is all knotted up like you wouldn’t believe! this sucks. i thought the recovery from meniscus surgery would be much faster.
brookly red wrote:
Especially if the name was changed to read: Unconditional Surrender Granite!
Macker wrote:
“Surrender unconditionally to the beauty of granite countertops…”
@ buzzsawmonkey:
“Surrender unconditionally to the beauty and durability of granite countertops…”
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
are you reading off a teleprompter?
brookly red wrote:
Heck, no. If I could do that, I’d be President.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Or at the very least a Messiah or something…
BTW, let me remind everyone who has not done so to go to the Correspondence Committee site here (Friday 6/29 afternoon thread) and copy the “Repeal” graphic that Zombie and I cooked up. Send it around; print it up; make transfers for T-shirts; put it on your blogs and in your tweets.
Free to all comers. Let’s get some national momentum going.
that surrender unconditionally stuff sounds pretty progressive to me…
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
it will be the sign off for all my personal e-mails going forward.
Interesting comment by a poster on another site.
…only the House of Representatives may originate any taxing legislation. The Court had no power to redefine the penalty as a tax; thus making their decision null and void. The Congress has the power simply to declare it null and void on Constitutional grounds.
brookly red wrote:
Hey hey!
The Osprey wrote:
Thank goodness it wasn’t Tarantino….
brookly red wrote:
That, to my knowledge, has never been done before, and would probably precipitate a honey of a Constitutional crisis.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
That, and some Race Riots perpetrated by Обама’s supporters!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
we are in uncharted waters here, the founders could not have foreseen communism nor imagined it’s implications.
Macker wrote:
Oh, we’re gonna get those no matter what. Check the White House website towards the end of July to see when the race riot near you has been scheduled.
brookly red wrote:
“Here be monsters.”
Kirly wrote:
Yes, it’s quite nice especially for displaying dessert pastries that are supposed to evoke St. Pancake.
The Osprey wrote:
By all accounts, Rachel Corrie was quite a crepe.
brookly red wrote:
Then again, the Founding FATHERS had the French Revolution to refer to, since that was Communistic before Karl Marx came up with Das Kapital!
@ The Osprey:
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Makes you wonder if selrahC would’ve hit that with his own twin pencil-necked lizard dicks….
Macker wrote:
Er, you might want to chec the timeline on that one…
@ Macker:
Quentin Tarantino sucks donkey balls.
@ Macker:
I hardly ever give Captain Cheetos a glancing thought anymore. Does anyone?
“Check”, that is…
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Apparently, yes. Don’t understand why, though…
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Nevertheless, he is correct. Congress does indeed have the power to define a tax and can reserve the right to prohibit the Court from review. This is why the Courts are very hesitant to tackle war powers. They know that jurisdiction can and was removed during the Civil War.
Macker wrote:
I don’t put much stock in the organized race riots thing… every time 6 guys mug a couple on the subway is that not really a race riot? every time 5 guys jump the delivery guy is that not a race riot?
These are simply the manifestations of a lawless politically correct society.
Mike C. wrote:
Totally OT, when I was a kid and kids were setting up the rules of a game, or choosing sides, or setting bounds, or something of the sort, and the “captains” would agree on the terms, one of them would quickly say, “Check, check, doublecheck—no changes!” After that was said the rules were set.
Does anyone else remember this from their childhood? Do kids still do that?
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Never heard of that. I do remember writing additional rules for RISK on the game board, though.
Mike C. wrote:
thank you I really didn’t want to throw this brick
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I’d like a tee shirt designed saying:
“We are all outlaws”
with symbolism denouncing the high volume of laws and regulations being cranked out by the States and Congress
brookly red wrote:
The two are not mutually exclusive. Yes, the muggings you describe, and other things, are indeed manifestations of a lawless politically correct society (and the coddling of such criminals is the opposite of Giuliani’s Broken Windows law enforcement).
But Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson engage in organized race riots—usually, but not always, controlled. There will be more such activity as this political season wears on—not only by Sharpton and Jackson, but by tens if not hundreds of Sharpton-Jackson wannabees, the fledgling community organizers, and probably by some of the ghetto street gangs.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
NO
@ brookly red:
Por nada…
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Ironically the joke is on them. They coddled their useful idiots into pampered useless idiots… Violent? oh yes, they might kill each other for a pair of sneakers but stand up for a “cause” Pluzzzze, the game is on in hi-def and baby momma is firing shrimps I ain’t got time fo dat shit.
and for the record Charles Barron got less than 21% of the vote. Yeah, like that.
brookly red wrote:
Here’s what looks like a fairly decent analysis of that theory.
If The Health Care Law Is Really A Tax Law, Is It Doomed on Procedure?
OT -- a great quote from Glenn Reynolds (of Instapundit)
I was too late to the earlier car blog….bummer
huckfunn wrote:
I don’t know we need to read it to see wha…. DOH!
heysoos wrote:
Well crank it back up again, then. Tell us you’re trying to decide between a Ferrari or a Maserati…
repeal and replace starting with:
Republicans have said “modest reforms” they support include a plan to allow consumers to buy insurance across state lines and legal reform to limit medical malpractice suits.
then keep working to lower the doctor’s and hospital’s costs like defensive medicine. it can be done.
there is ZERO reason that health insurance has to cost as much as it does…unless ya like to feed the trial lawyers and b’crats,
Mike C. wrote:
if I had all the money in the world…I’d buy a pure, genuine COPO Camaro…I would…one of the most rare cars ever built and fast, very fast….talking a million dollars….here’s one, just another car eh?
http://images.google.com/imgres?q=copo+camaro&num=10&hl=en&biw=1080&bih=554&tbm=isch&tbnid=lP-jlZY8JMqEnM:&imgrefurl=http://www.sportscar100.com/732/chevrolet-copo-camaro/chevrolet-copo-camaro2&docid=VmNHfRlD76Hm_M&imgurl=http://www.sportscar100.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Chevrolet-COPO-Camaro2.jpg&w=600&h=349&ei=ccjwT_zFGsqPrgHo0LWPAg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=64&vpy=148&dur=1160&hovh=171&hovw=295&tx=174&ty=99&sig=100557172617182790092&page=1&tbnh=83&tbnw=142&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:75
@ heysoos:
What does COPO stand for, anyway? Am I not looking hard enough on the net?
coldwarrior wrote:
unfortunately we need to figure in the cost of covering the undocumented… THAT is the 800 pound gorrila in the room. We have millions and millions plus their children that we are paying for and we just can’t afford to.
@ heysoos:
Build you one, here is where you get a body dynacorn
Use a new aluminum block, be less stressful to drive.
Mike C. wrote:
Go with the Ferrari, unless you’re a porn queen.
(Link is rated G.)
Good evening, all.
Macker wrote:
it is either a Chevy or conic obstructive pulmonary disease
@ Macker:
http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2012/07/01/the-cult-of-paterno-is-torpedoed/#comment-1041968
a NHRA sactioned, after factory race car, the stuff of legend…there were very few made…Central Office Production Order…COPO…Reggie Jackson sold his last year for around a million….they are severely resricted with regard to authenticity…there are a few licensed investigators that roam around to authenticate the papers, numbers, and factory docs…if you have one and don’t know it…well then
brookly red wrote:
as of right now, we dont. these people get free ER coverage and every state has a cHIPS program. drive down the cost of the insurance and more can afford it. seriously, I know docs whose insurance is 3 times their rent and utilities and staff office staff salasry monthly becasue they are in high risk practices. this has to stop.
@ heysoos:
Ah! Thank you for the clarification.
Prebanned wrote:
yup, they are doing it again….rich hot rodders are all over the place…a vintage muscle car is a terrific investment….people love raw power and instant speed and will pay whatever it costs…I’d love to have a new hemi Challenger….bad ass car
copo…yenko…nice and fast, and totaly useless if you have a curvy road to run on.
somewhere on this blog is the vid of barely modified mistubishi evos and subies wrx’s crushing classic detroit iron on a track.
coldwarrior wrote:
if you like curves there is the Z28…extremely fast and agile, but they tended to pop apart, 302 cubes and over 400 hp…short life if you pushed them tho
coldwarrior wrote:
*sigh* we either need to seal our borders tighter than a clams ass and restrict services to citizens only OR doctors and hospitals need to require payment in cash at time of services rendered… very few can afford that.
@ coldwarrior:
I like straight line racing…going in circles bores me…I’m a red neck drag racer
@ heysoos:
Sorry, but I have no lust for some fire-breathing track car, just something to run errands in. One of these would do me just fine…
http://www.astonmartin.com/
Sedate but refined…
@ heysoos:
Hot rods are kind of silly, I guess a real one makes a good investment.
I have a 73 mustang needing paint and a 65 comet needing everything.
Have not spent anything on them in 14 years, starting to feel like it was all foolishness.
Mike C. wrote:
I drive a pimped out 03 Impala…excellent car and I love it, but fantasy is fun…
Prebanned wrote:
if your Comet is a 2door, it’s worth fixin…trust me…there are thousands of guys around that love to own that car and would pay whatever you asked
All the money in the world car?
Audi ur-Quattro full group-B trim.
You’ll note in the pic -- it goes beyond the traditional boundaries of cool well into the realm of Hella-cool. As witnessed by the 6 Hella-cool indicators sprouting from the front bumper…for the math challenged, that’s exactly Hella-cool⁶.
@ Mike C.:
We added Navies and a 2nd Risk board.
@ heysoos:
I got you beat, then. I drive a cosmetically-challenged 1996 Geo Metro.
And that new (or any other) Aston-
Martin IS fantasy. But when I’m sitting in my tux at the chemain de fer table, ordering a martini, and introducing myself as “C. ,,, Mike C.”, I gotta have the right car, you know? (Cue music…)
@ heysoos:
I am thinking an aluminum 5.3 out of a trailblazer, and a 8.8 from an explorer would make it fun.
@ heysoos:
It is the plain two door with the taller roofline.
heysoos wrote:
once in a while i hit the track in the miata, put on the racing rims and clamp down the adjustable suspension, cant afford much more than that though…dont have the time either
Mike C. wrote:
sure, no problem…see you in Monte Carlo bro
@ heysoos:
I’ll be the guy in the clapped-out 96 Geo…
coldwarrior wrote:
yeah, by nephew and his dad build and race….it’s getting very expensive even at the local level….my neph races a 1970 Grabber, a 351 Windsor all triked out…had the motor freshened this year, 8K
Mike C. wrote:
fine but we split the chicas
@ heysoos:
share them that is…but let me remind you that in a straight line, 7000rpm/140mph induces orgasm in normal woman…so consider that
@ Mike C.:
Geo what? Metro or Jism..I mean Prism?! 8)
Nothing but guys except an occasional female on this thread…plus the guys were talking about re-doing houses!!!
Nothing to see here…there is no war on religion.
//////heavy sarc
Texas highway billboard tells faithful to ‘Quit the Church’
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/01/texas-highway-billboard-tells-faithful-to-quit-church/#ixzz1zPjB4My4
my ex has a new supercharged Mini Cooper….wicked fast, and so nimble it’s scarey
@ heysoos:
My wife won’t let me play with the chicas, so they’re yours.
@ Macker:
Heh. And Metro, with the blood-curdling 58 bhp, 3 cylinder, 1 litre engine…
@ heysoos:
A mini-cooper…?? Wicked fast is my cadillac CTS…
heysoos wrote:
Turbocharged, not supercharged, but otherwise, now yer talking… They handle like go-karts.
Lily wrote:
my sister had an 06 CTS very nice car and fast, as you say…I was gonna buy it from her, but missed out…nice car
@ heysoos:
Indeed and they handle curves at good speeds…wicked fast.
/been around cars and race cars and motorcycles since I was 5.
Mike C. wrote:
yeah, you really have to be careful or you’re in a spin…crazy nimble…first time I drove it, I pulled off my road to the right and bumped the curb…I forgot to turn back straight!…you have to let a car like that steer itself
Lily wrote:
speed is in my blood…I love power and torque and the noise of rubber trying to get a grip
@ heysoos:
Oh no you don’t let it steer itself …you just have to adapt to how to drive it.
/only daughter in a family of males. Dad taught me how to drive before I was 10…plus was put in a go-kart at 6..then for a graduation present got a sky-blue spitfire.
@ Mike C.:
I don’t know if you’re in Canada (probably not), but there it was known as the Pontiac Firefly. Heh!
@ heysoos:
Only every now and then do I do the speed thing. When I was younger…whoa..whole different story. Age has mellowed me.
/but yeah I can still out run anyone if I choose.
@ Lily:
Motorcycles in my teens. Forgot that.
/and yes I have the scars to prove it.
@ Lily:
what I mean’t was the Mini has such a tight steering ratio, that you actually have to learn from it, not the other way around…it has a profound natural, quick response to turns you have to learn and letting it do it on it’s own is a good primer as to how it handles….keep a very light touch on the wheel and see how it responds…whe you understand the nuance then you can man handle the thing around
@ heysoos:
Well bascially that was what I was saying you adapt to it.
Tight curves in cars that could handle tight curves was my thing when I was younger…the thrill was awesome.
/daddy taught me well.
Lily wrote:
teaching my kids to drive was a real hoot…I’ll never forget those good time up at the school complex…I put them through the ringer
@ heysoos:
I was slapped in a car at a very early age. The faster I would go the better.
But like I have said I have mellowed. I let hubby teach my sons..because I knew the dangers and didn’t want them to drive like me when I was younger. (It is a mother thing)
Well I killed the thread. Again. It always happens.
I guess a girl talking about cars did it in.
Macker wrote:
It’s actually a Suzuki Swift -- the original one, not the current one.
@ Mike C.:
{Mike C.} you saved the thread from being ‘lillied’.
Lily wrote:
not at all…teaching your children the basics is just good parenting…my old dad taught me to drive out on country back roads…I took my kids to the local school complex…half mile straight aways, gates, parking…they loved it…when the were big enough to control the car, we started working on it…it was huge thing to them…they both went into ‘drivers ed’ seasoned pros…better drivers that their instructors
Por nada…
@ buzzsawmonkey:
So do it, then, Congresscritters! Anything to bollix up the works, and that will prevent Obozo from pushing through more legislation is a bonus.
my weakness…I need to brag about my kids
no offende amigos
@ heysoos:
Oh my dad pulled over the car in heavy traffic in a big city and said Lily you drive. I was only 15 …. trial by fire and I did well at first scared then got over it. The only thing I didn’t do is dirt bikes.
@ heysoos:
And all the other parents here who don’t brag about their children here… zero. We all brag about our children when they do well.
@ heysoos:
I know where there is one, gathering dust in a barn in Northern Alberta. And yes, the owner knows exactly what he has there.
@ Lily:
Also brag about grandchildren and pets too.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
From wiki…
So…if procedurally a “tax bill” was incorrectly presented to the President for signature…even if signed -- how can it possibly be valid -- which raises the question, if procedurally void -- why the need for some kind of declaration from Congress stating so?
Isnt’ it a simple case of “It’s dead, Jim?”
@ Brick:
“It’s dead, Jim.”
/we can only hope so.
Also reminds me if one of my husbands friends asks about me..he says,
“She’s still mean, Jim.”
/his day will come.
Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
yeah, the days of picking up an old Nomad, for nothing in the orchard are long gone…everybody is hip to vintage cars now…everybody..post you have a rusted out old Pontiac in Montana. and you’ll get bombed with mail
new thread
Kafir wrote:
Don’t bother, It’s dead.