The USNS oil, Henry J. Kaiser, set sail from Puget Sound recently with 900,000 gallons of biofuel blended with standard petroleum in its bunkers. So, what’s the difference between the new “green” fuel and the standard stuff? $2,016,000. That’s right. The standard fuel that has been used by our Navy to fuel its ships for the past 100 years currently costs about $3.60 per gallon as opposed to the new biofuels that cost $26 per gallon. This is madness and our country is being run by environmental fanatics. The Pentagon is now on a crusade to save the planet from the Global Warming Hoax ™ . President Romney must put an end to this lunacy as soon as possible after taking office. Green Fleet indeed! Our greenbacks being wasted on greeniac pipe dreams.
(Reuters) – A U.S. Navy oiler slipped away from a fuel depot on the Puget Sound in Washington state one recent day, headed toward the central Pacific and into the storm over the Pentagon’s controversial green fuels initiative.
In its tanks, the USNS Henry J. Kaiser carried nearly 900,000 gallons of biofuel blended with petroleum to power the cruisers, destroyers and fighter jets of what the Navy has taken to calling the “Great Green Fleet,” the first carrier strike group to be powered largely by alternative fuels.
[…]
Some Republican lawmakers have seized on the fuel’s $26-a-gallon price, compared to $3.60 for conventional fuel. They paint the program as a waste of precious funds at a time when the U.S. government’s budget remains severely strained, the Pentagon is facing cuts and energy companies are finding big quantities of oil and gas in the United States.
Navy Secretary Ray Mabus, the program’s biggest public booster, calls it vital for the military’s energy security.
[…]
But the initial small-batch cost of some biofuels has raised eyebrows on Capitol Hill, even among lawmakers used to dealing with billion-dollar defense cost overruns.
The Pentagon paid Solazyme Inc $8.5 million in 2009 for 20,055 gallons of biofuel based on algae oil, or $424 a gallon.
Solazyme’s strategic advisers, according to its website, include T.J. Glauthier, who served on Obama’s White House Transition team and dealt with energy issues, but also former CIA director R. James Woolsey, a conservative national security official.
For the Great Green Fleet demonstration, the Pentagon paid $12 million for 450,000 gallons of biofuel, nearly $27 a gallon. There were eight bidders for that contract, it said.
Read the entire article here: “Green Fleet” Sails, Meets Stiff Headwinds in Congress
Note the cronyism. Obama aids get millions in green scam bucks for this program. That is Obamunism in a nutshell.
Another nail in our collective coffins.
@ Iron Fist:
I have noticed chairman obama’s double pronged wealth distribution. He aims to create a country / world peopled with two classes a leftist royalty and serfs.
More like “The Great Rainbow Fleet” if you ask me.
Couple this with the insistence that defense be the only Federal Budget item to be slashed, and slashed viciously, we are left with a looming national security disaster in our future. We must get rid of these people, and insure that they stay gone.
@ Flyovercountry:
Hey, Fly-O. Haven’t seen you around lately. Hope all is well with you and yours.
@ citizen_q:
Yes, that is exactly what he wants. He wants the average American poor and dependent on the government. That way they’ll always vote Democrat. He will completely destroy the middle class if he can. Upward mobility will be a thing of the past.
O/T I needed some good news. It appears that the Chinese know how to deal with muslim terrorists.
TWO men who allegedly tried to hijack a plane in China were beaten to death by passengers and crew.
Until just recently, I hadn’t fully understood the degree to which the politically correct enviro-greeniacs had taken over the military. Gay pride month and now biofuels. This is just nuts.
O/T allah(piss be upon it) is a beer drinker!
Take this fatwa:
New ‘Frog Fatwa’: Amphibians Sacrosanct, Croaking Praises Allah
This “documentary” on frogs
And what other conclusion can there be? /
I will stop with the silliness now. The gravity and unpleasantness of recent events sometimes needs a little humor to maintain a PMA, IMHO.
@ citizen_q:
Good for the passengers & crew.
They could have also dropped the flight down to 10,000 feet & let them escape. Without parachutes.
@ huckfunn:
ideology over facts.
It explains much from crap and trade to the suicidal rules of engagement in Afghanistan.
@ citizen_q:
Well, plenty of MooSlime seem willing to ‘croak’ for Allah, so it fits.
@ mfhorn:
LOL!
@ huckfunn:
Gay Pride and green fuel scams trump military preparedness. That is why Obama canceled the F-22 and missile defense in Poland. But hey, the Marine Corps band has played in A Gay Pride parade. Aren’t you proud?
citizen_q wrote:
Fewer things scarier than an enraged oriental mob. They will literally tear a person to pieces with their bare hands.
@ citizen_q:
Actually, as a Christian, I believe that all living things show God’s power, and do praise Him. Of course, that includes frogs & dogs, even the goats & sheep Mo’s followers like so much. Plus all live gives praise to God, not the moon god.
mfhorn wrote:
LIFE, not live. PIMF
If the Defense department is part of this then one should give some thought to the fact that they have apparently to much money in their budget. Cut the budget.
@ citizen_q:
@ Iron Fist:
I wonder how many people from all branches have resigned, or won’t re-up over the gay pride thing. You can bet the Pentagon knows but I suspect that they’re in full “don’t axe, don’t tell” mode.
@ Guggi:
I think it more likely that PC rot has reached and permeated from the top and pretty far down.
Remember the general in the wake of the Fort Hood jihad massacre, who’s comment on the event was that he hoped it did not injure diversity in the military?
I mentioned the suicidal rules of engagement earlier.
Guggi wrote:
That brings up a good point. The dims already have plans for defense spending cuts that will take the teeth out of our military. Yet eek-o fanatics find the money to buy fuel at $26/gallon. Insane!
@ huckfunn:
I don’t know, personally I don’t think the gay pride crap would be the single issue causing soldiers to vote with their feet. However in combination with that and other such things as I mentioned earlier about the Fort Hood massacre and the rules of engagement, if I was in the service I would think that my leadership does not have my “back” as it were. I also understand that the military healthcare has been reformed. There seem to be mounting disincentives for quality people to stay on.
@ citizen_q:
This has been being put into place since the Clinton Administration,and it appears that Bush did little to reverse the trend. Another place Bush failed us.
@ Iron Fist:
We are our own worse enemy.
@ Iron Fist:
Look at the bright side, at least they are not pushing sails on ships!
Yet!!!!!!!!!!!
@ citizen_q:
It sure seems that way. We have a nearly invincible military, so naturally we give them rules of engagement that give tremendous advantage to the enemy. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory has been Obama’s top job priority ever since he was elected. He is couldn’t quite pull it off in Iraq, but he has hosed us in Afghanistan. I’m not sure things could get worse there.
@ Iron Fist:
Unfortunately IMHO the seeds of our defeat were sown when we allowed sharia as that guiding principle of both governments.
obama is just helping things along.
If you watche FNC this morning you probbly saw the interview
with Eric Allen Cole.
He is a documentarian who went to Mrphysboro TN,to document on film
how bigoted Christian Evangelicas were tryingto stop costruction
of a mosque.
His interviews with Christians & Muslims didn’t fit his
preconcieved notions.
He read Robert Spenser & thought that he must be wrong, so
he did some indepenent research.
He did a guest blog on the Daily Kos & asserted that Islam is a
radical, evil religion, while not crticising all Muslims.
They went nuts , ‘Your a hater & Islamophobe”
He said that he has lost all of his Lib friends, like
Michael Moore, but claims the truth is the truth.
@ Rodan:
I am surprised they don’t want to go back to the trireme. They could use the middle class to pull the oars…
@ citizen_q:
It’s depressing.
@ RIX:
A liberal with principles won’t remain a liberal when educated. One reason the Left demands control of the education system the way that they do. If they can keep people ignorant, they can maintain their base.
Iron Fist wrote:
Let’s not give them ideas!
huckfunn wrote:
Yup.
huckfunn wrote:
The constant pandering to some 5% (a liberal estimate) of the population is explainable when one considers that many actually believe that some 25% of the country is gay. Distilling that 5% to arrive at the portion of gays that choose the military renders a nearly insignificant number of highly vocal activists for whom we are completely disrupting our only line of defense. In lieu of discharges due to issues of incompatibility, Clinton’s “DADT” was, actually, a pretty good solution. Open homosexuality is corrosive to the military culture, celebrating it is even worse. Yes, there’s an inherent right to be gay, but the military is a place for placing one’s responsibilities first and personal rights second.
citizen_q wrote:
The moral of the story is no more nation building. That’s why I oppose any intervention in Syria.
@ MacDuff:
That’s the image the media has created. If you see movies or TV, 1 out of every 4 character is Gay.
@ Iron Fist:
Yup,he is a recovering liberal.
He says that it has hurt his career & personal frindships,
but that he has no regrets.
I would really like to see his post on Kos.
Andy Griffith has died at age 86. RIP
@ huckfunn:
Went on vacation to Wildwood Crest, New Jersey, neglected to take a computer along. No email, no phone, no watch, no pen, just the ocean, a pool, a few boats and a week.
Ozero should ride his bicycle home to Chicago when loses in November.
RIX wrote:
Eric Allen Cole or Eric Allen Bell ?
@ RIX:
That’s a shame. I grew up with the Andy Griffith show. My wife loved his later detective show.
@ Urban Infidel:
Maybe Charles Johnson can lend him a bike?
MacDuff wrote:
Yes, a realistic estimate is somewhere around 1.2 -- 1.6%
Urban Infidel wrote:
Fix’d that for ya…
Eric Allen Bell at Daily Kos
Loonwatch.com and Radical Islam
and
How and Why Loonwatch.com is a Terrorist Spin Control Network
@ doriangrey:
Anywhere but here. You don’t have to go home, but you can’t stay here …
Back to energy, if you have Summer Blend gasoline like we
do in Illinois be very careful.
Older cars using the ethynol blend have been destroying
their engines
Warranties on newer cars can be voided if damaged from
use of 15% ethynol or greater
No Commented needed on this.
McConnell: Odds against health care repeal
@ Rodan:
@ doriangrey:
Obama in Portland: Invest in Bicycle Infrastructure
The carnival barker barks.
Guggi wrote:
Charles is allied with Loonwatch.
@ RIX:
In Germany people avoid E10 (10% ethanol) and prefer to pay higher prices for gas without ethanol.
Guggi wrote:
Guggi, thank you for posting that. I had his last
name wrong.
@ Rodan:
We have to replace the President to repeal it. Right now, even if they do get repeal through the Senate Obama will just veto it. Let’s get a new President and new Senate in place. Then if McConnell won’t play ball we get a new Majority leader.
Another “green” energy fail: Abound Solar sticks taxpayers for $68 million, doomed by poor quality
I really need to keep a running tab of all of these green fails and $billions wasted.
citizen_q wrote:
@ Iron Fist:
You have more faith in the Republicans guys than I do.
FYI Check out DOD!
Guggi wrote:
That is a wise policy to avoid it.
Using the blend is tempting because it is cheaper,
but a real bad idea.
RIX wrote:
But the blend is less efficient so you don’t have any benefit
@ Rodan:
Lidane is an idiot. Besides, it is clear that she hates Allen West because he is black. She’s a bigot just like the rest of the West haters.
RIX wrote:
Ethanol is highly corrosive, however, it will not destroy your engine, the only things it will destroy is your fuel delivery system. Remember, I build Dragsters as a hobby. The internal combustion engine was originally designed to use alcohol as it’s fuel.
What makes ethanol corrosive is that it is desiccant, in other words, it absorbs water. It’s the presence of the water in alcohol that corrodes your fuel delivery system.
Alcohol as a fuel for the internal combustion engine has both advantages and disadvantages. It burns cleaner, produces less heat, produces more power, but get’s about 15% less mileage.
doriangrey wrote:
E15 alcohol fuel can wreck engines, auto groups’ data say
@ huckfunn:
From your own link.
@ doriangrey:
Either way most new car warranties now warn against
usage of ethynol & you risk voiding it.
Yeah…very credibly////
@ doriangrey:
I don’t know what the make up of most engines are now, but about 15 years ago there were a lot of rubber/plastic parts in the fuel system from fuel lines to parts in the carburetor itself. One problem with a ethanol blend of higher then 10% was that it would dissolve all the rubber parts in the fuel system. That is what’s breaking down and is the most expensive to replace. Not to mention a few gaskets along the way as well.
doriangrey wrote:
Yep. And that is from Growth Energy, the group that supports, and is funded by the ethanol cabal. So who do you believe, the car guys or the corn guys? Not trying to start an argument, just an honest question. You’re a car guy. Who do you trust?
@ huckfunn:
That article is complete bullshit. My partners and I build engines that run on alcohol. They require a different fuel cell, fuel lines and venturi ports in the carburetors (and gaskets for the carburetors). The entire rest of the engine is built exactly the same as for running gasoline. The engine has to be timed a little different, but not much.
Iron Fist wrote:
John Kerry is a hero these jerks.
doriangrey wrote:
I’m not a big time gearhead so I can’t make a call based on my own knowledge. However, these guys at Global Automakers came out with the report saying that ethanol will wreck engines. They make a lot more motors than I do, so I’m inclined to believe what they say over what the corn dudes are saying.
PaladinPhil wrote:
This goes double for (many) motorcycles. I run only ethanol free in mine. With the mileage tradeoff, I’m in the habit of using in my cars, too, though I’d do that anyway, as I think burning food in our vehicles is insane.
There are a few good sites, like pure-gas.org where one can locate stations selling real gas. Lots of ‘em -- at least here in TN
New Thread.
huckfunn wrote:
Well, take a closer look at that article of yours.
Who exactly is this mysterious FEV, who is a long time consultant of the EPA? ya, I trust my own experience, and I trust guys who build and race cars for a living, not a shadowy EPA environmentalist group.
huckfunn wrote:
Do a little more checking, Global Automakers didn’t produce that report, a shadowy environmentalist activist group did, supposedly at the request of Global Automakers.
doriangrey wrote:
I have no idea who the FEV is. At any rate, I think the concern of the Global Automakers is for the hundreds of millions of standard production cars rather than people who build race cars specifically designed to use alcohol. Apples and oranges.
doriangrey wrote:
How’s about adding “…by way of Timbuktu and BFEgypt!” 8)
@ huckfunn:
The Chicago Tribune also had a long article about a
month ago with a consenus that ethanol can ruin engines.
@ citizen_q:
If croaking is praise to allah, then I suggest that all muslims get with the program, and croak.
@ huckfunn:
Aside from the insane cost, I question this: How stable is that new bio-based fuel in storage tanks, in an oiler, stationed in tropical waters? Will some bacteria or yeast get a toehold in the stuff, and multiply like crazy, turning it into gooey jelly? Petrodiesel is not immune to such infestations, but if biodiesel is more vulnerable, it could become a real hazard. What use is a tanker full of jelly that cannot be used as fuel. (Well, I guess you could shovel it out and use for Napalm.)
@ Rodan:
In fact, gay activists have long maintained that they amount to 10% of the population, a number that was determined by the Kinsey Report. Kinsey based his survey on prisoners in jails, not exactly a good sample of the population overall. Saner estimates of the prevalence of male homosexuality run around 1% of the population as a whole.
@ Guggi:
Modern engines with the closed loop ECUs may get sufficiently better mileage on premium fuel to more than offset the extra cost. I tried a couple of tanks of premium in my ’97 Suburban, and it definitely went further on a tank.
It’s got regular in it right now because my ,ocal gas bars don’t have premium, and I rarely use the vehicle, anyway. But, if I were to take it on a road trip, premium fuel would be my choice.
huckfunn wrote:
And I am telling you, pay attention to where your information is coming from, cause you’re getting played by enviro-nazi’s. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to oppose Ethanol as an large scale commercial automobile fuel. This not only isn’t one of them, using it casts serious doubt on your objectivity and creditability.
Remember, I actually build engines, engines that run on alcohol. In the amateur circuit where we run, there is no sponsorship, we foot all of our own costs.
The most sought after engine for running alcohol is a 1967 through 1975 Chevy 350 (think 700 plus HP). The engine gets built exactly the same as for running gasoline, it just gets a different fuel delivery system and carburetor set up, and it gets timed a little different.
Unlike the big boys who have multimillion dollar sponsorships, we don’t tear our engines down after every run. We don’t tear them down and rebuild them unless we have to.
We absolutely would not build or run engines that ran on ethanol if what your article suggests were true. Do you have any idea how catastrophic damage to the valves or valve seats are to an engine running at 7000 RPM??? I’ll give you a hint, the slang track term is “Grenading” and ya, it means exactly what it sounds like it means.
No, I’m sorry, the engines get built exactly the same whether for Ethanol, Methanol or Gasoline, like I said before, the only differences are in the fuel delivery and the injection.
@ doriangrey:
You mean these guys? Doncha think they just might have a dog in the fight?
EPA cannot be trusted; they are agenda-driven. As far as Nascar goes, so what? Nascar engines are nothing like the engines in real cars. They are built to work with the fuel they are alloted. They are also built to last for a few hours at wide-open-throttle, and get rebuilt after every race. So what if alcohol causes valve-seat wear? They put new ones in, anyway.
Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
Back in the late 70′ and early 80′s, GM was putting diesel engines in some of their Buicks and Caddies. They were actually a conversion of the gasoline 350. At any rate, people who lived in Texas near the Mexican border would cross over into Mexico to get a fill up of their diesel Buicks, Caddies and Mercedes. On a memorable occasion, the Mexican refine forgot to mix a particular additive in the diesel. All those Texans filled up and as soon as they got back on the Texas side, that diesel turned to jelly. Hundreds, if not thousands of them. Those GM diesels were turd heaps when they rolled out of the factory.
@ doriangrey:
And if you run alcohol in your race engine, you are going to take proper care of it. But Joe Consumer, his car may sit idle for days at a time, with alcohol in the tank sucking up moisture from the air. Or maybe he got fuel from a gas bar with water-contaminated tanks.
Gearheads fuss over their engines all the time. Joe Consumer never saw a maintenance schedule he couldn’t put off until next payday.
doriangrey wrote:
Sorry; I gotta go with the guys at Ferrari, Toyota and Honda. Do carry on with your mud pies.
@ huckfunn:
Ironically, they have a kind of a cult following now. The ones that stayed together, stayed together, and got great fuel economy. Part of the problem is that GM was selling Diesels to people who had never owned a Diesel in their life, and didn’t know how to maintain it, and didn’t want to learn.
I love me my Diesel Suburban, the 6.5 turbodiesel.
Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
GM ended up replacing a lot of the diesel conversions under lemon laws. I’ve never owned a diesel, but the folks who have ‘em swear by ‘em. Later models that is.
Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
Sorry, that would be… No. One of my partners has a NASCAR Cup series car. (Yea, it’s a frickin Ford Focus) It runs on a special E15 115 Octane racing fuel blend. But the engine long block is a stock 351 Cleveland. The engine as been rebuilt once in the last 6 years and Doug takes it out to Auto Club Speedway in Fontana every couple of months.
huckfunn wrote:
You are not going with them, which is the entire point, you are siding with a environmentalist group, who probably forced their deceptive and misleading information Global Automakers, you know, kind of like how General Electric and BP support Anthropogenic Global Warming.
Why would I suggest that? Well gee, maybe it has something to do with… Oh this…
In case you haven’t figured it out yet. Global Automakers do not represent the Automobile manufactures, they are a Environmentalist activist group that strong-arms the major automobile manufactures.
Who are the people at Global Automakers? This is who.
Are you figuring it out yet?
doriangrey wrote:
Yes. You’re nuts.
huckfunn wrote:
Then you must be stupider than a bucket of warm spit.
Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
Just what we need here; an octane debate, heh. That said:
The proper fuel for your vehicle is determined by the compression ratio of your engine. Higher octane burns slower. This is good for high-compression engines as it prevents pre-detonation (bad for valves and other living things). Using premium in lower compression engines is also bad as it will build up carbon and gunk in general as not all the fuel will burn.
I never use 87 in my Beemer. I never use 93 in my Expedition. My bikes all use 87.
“Premium” is not really premium. It is regular with an additive to slow it down.
who is the US Senator for solazyme? I would expect that is where the tip of the iceberg starts for this sort of corruption. Who close to that senator is getting rich here?
The military runs on cheap fuel. We get into a conflict with China and they are equipped for cheap fule and we are equipped for expensive fuel. They win.
@ 80 Alberta Oil Peon: It is interesting how the gay news thinks it is likely someone can go from hetero to gay lifestyle but not from being gay to being straight. One would almost think mother nature prefers gay people to make the law such as it is.
/s