Many Conservatives are over confident in the prospects of defeating Obama. This is a very dangerous attitude to take. About 3 weeks ago I thought Obama was in the verge of collapse. Bad economic numbers and the Romney’s campaign’s rapid response seemed to have caught Obama off guard. But then Obama counter attacked.
Obama’s immigration order, which let me make clear I feel was illegal since only Congress has the power of naturalization, is popular with American voters. Republicans botched the response on this by getting emotional instead of pointing out the illegality of the order. This undercut Romney’s measured response. Then Obama began a new assault on Bain Capital’s history of outsourcing. This has damaged Romney’s poll standing in Pennsylvania and Ohio. Other ads claim Romney will raise taxes on the poor and cut them for the rich. Here is what a low information voter’s impression of the election is due to these ads.
Their target: voters like Jessica Bruning, 28, of Holstein, Iowa.
“I don’t get a chance to see the news a lot,” Bruning, who was called in the USA TODAY Poll, said in a follow-up phone interview. “I have two kids and go to school and work. Seeing the ads every day helps me catch up. I see what they are going to do.”
What has she learned? That Obama has been pushing to keep student loan rates low — she’s attending community college to be certified as a welder, so that’s an important issue for her — and that Romney “wants to cut taxes for the rich people and raise them for the poor.”
“I don’t think that’s cool,” she says. She plans to vote for Obama.
Instead of responding to these charges, Mitt Romney took a vacation while Obama did campaign stops. Clearly Mitt Romney is overconfident that a bad economy will lead him to victory. This is a dangerous assumption when Obama is more than a normal politician, he is a cultural symbol.
WASHINGTON (AP) — History repeats itself, until it doesn’t.
That musty saw is worth remembering as pundits speculate on whether the lumbering economy will doom the re-election hopes of President Barack Obama, who has shown a knack for beating odds and breaking barriers.
Clearly, some important trends are working against him. The latest evidence came Friday in a lackluster jobs report that said the nation’s unemployment rate was stuck at 8.2 percent.
[...]
Yet Obama runs even with, or slightly ahead of, Republican rival Mitt Romney in poll after poll. Campaign strategists debate the reasons.
They might include Obama’s personal likability, gaps in Romney’s strategy or Americans’ grudging acceptance of a new normal in which millions of jobs are gone for good and no single person is responsible.
If high unemployment “was a killer, he’d already be dead,” said Republican pollster and consultant Mike McKenna. “The survey data tells you he’s not dead.”
There’s a problem with applying historical precedents and conventional wisdom to Obama. He sometimes defies them.
Read that last sentence very carefully. It is the most truthful analysis about Obama I have seen. He defies conventional wisdom. His poll standings are in the upper 40′s, despite everything wrong that he has done. He has survived a scandal like Fast and Furious, that would have destroyed any other administration. Yet Obama is virtually untouched and is in better shape politically than he was even 3 weeks ago.
Many will deny or come up with the excuses of bad polling samples. Those are valid criticisms but we must assume the data is correct. Its time for Conservatives to stop living in this fantasy that Obama will lose in a landslide. It’s a dangerous delusion that will hand the election to Obama.
The Romney campaign, the Republican Party and Conservatives must grasp the ugly truth about Obama. He is not a normal politician that normal political rules apply to. Obama is virtual political god-king/savior to a large segment of Americans. People overlook his failings because they have faith in the man. They really believe that Obama is trying his best and just needs more time. They refuse to see his failures and cling onto anything positive. This is what we are dealing with, a cultural phenomenon aided by the media and the entertainment industry. To many Americans Obama really is a god-king.
Romney needs to offer a clear alternative to Obama. His whole campaign is “I am not Obama.” That may help rally Conservatives who hate Obama, but it does nothing to win over Independents who decide elections. Plus to be frank, no one personally likes Romney. What Romney needs to do is offer a vision for a better tomorrow. He also needs to start attacking the concept of Obama as the god-king. Obama’s failures need to be highlighted against the perception that he is part of some galactic essence. The Romney campaign must turn Obama into an object of ridicule.
People can go ahead and trash my thread. They can continue to underestimate Obama and the cultural phenomenon behind him. Mock my post at your own peril. I hope the Romney campaign wakes up and realizes what it is up against. I really don’t want to have to do an I told you so post on November 7th. Obama can be beaten but first you have to realize what you are up against.
What to do:
Let’s get an email campaign going to give the Romney campaign some ideas. My idea is to have commercials mocking the Obama as god-king theme espoused by the people in the video clips below.
The ads could have clips of the 2 fools above and then show his failed policies. This would be very damaging and begin to strip away the Obama is god-king myth the media and culture have built up. That’s my idea.
Email your ideas!
@mittromney
@teamromney
MittRomney.com
Tags: American Pharoah, Caligula, Cult of Personality, god-king
I think the biggest reason that the Zero’s numbers are so good is that the media love this guy. He can do no wrong. F&F just has not been reported very much. If this was a republican admin, this would be front page for weeks.
Remember -- if a tree falls in the forest and no one reports it, did it happen.
Rodan,
I remember you saying a few months ago, during the Republican primaries, that Romney had no chance in the general because of his association with Bain Capital. He’s going to lose Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida. ACCORDING TO YOU.
re-posting it from the previous thread:
MikeA wrote:
fify
MikeA wrote:
Yup, he is a cultural symbol. You need to destroy that symbol.
@ Rodan:
He’s not a cultural symbol in most peoples eyes. He’s just normal, as most people perceive him. If you guys would quit going after him personally, you’d have a far better chance to win the election.
@ Rodan:
@ Guggi:
We ahve talked of this before. The jobs numbers SUCK!!! but the media tout them as being so good and we are improving!!! Yeah, right. The job market sucks and will continue to suck until at least after the election since most business owners want to know whats going on.
But look at the bright side… if the Zero wins, gun and ammo sales will go SKY HIGH!!!
@ theoutsider:
Whose attacked him personally? Most Republicans treat him with kids gloved. If Obama is not a cultural symbol, then why do you have people cliaming he parts the sky with his voice?
@ MikeA:
Obama’s hold on people is something I have not seen in politics. He can shoot someone live on TV and it will not make a dent.
The “god-king/pharaoh” thing is an interesting conversational device, but I don’t think the reality is any more complicated than a non-white President who surrounds himself with subjects of his incessant pandering and a media that simply doesn’t know how to be critical of a black man -- and a public that’s cowed at even a hint of racism.
Therein lies not a god-king, but a man who is at the eye of the racial storm and is using it for his own opportunity. I tend to think that the constant harping on the “pharaoh” and “god-king” themes does not sound like reasoned conversation -- it sounds unbalanced.
People who believed Obama was deified did not elect him in ’08 and we’re in no danger of them electing him in ’12. The people who elect presidents are largely middle-class people who still haven’t really tuned into the election; they’re certainly not given to certainly not given to assigning god-like qualities to politicians.
@ MacDuff:
That’s the point right there. See for decades the Left has attacked traditional religion. This has created a mass of people with a spiritual void. The Media/Entertainment then cretaed this political savior theme around Obama. People cling to him becasue they need something to believe in. Hence why they give Obama benefit of the doubt. The fact he is Black is a bonus and helps feed the god-king narrative.
Here’s a post I did 2 weeks ago that is very revealing.
That is what we are dealing with. Obama is cultural symbol. To defeat him, you must destroy that symbol.
@ Rodan:
I guess most Republicans haven’t attacked him personally, but you have! You said the PRESIDENT hates America, when you have no evidence to prove that.
@ MacDuff:
I think you are right. What Obama has going for him is that he is the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT . That is really the only card he has, and he is playing it for all it is worth. That may be enough for him. I am not sure that attacking him personally, as satisfying as that would be, is the way to go. Republicans have the undeserved reputation for being “mean”. Obama already intends to play the “Romney is mean” card. A bunch of personal attacks could reinforce that image, and negatively impact the race. Care is needed to influence the independents who, as of yet, don’t really care one way or another.
@ theoutsider:
You said the PRESIDENT hates America
Why does he support the Muslim Brotherhood? Why did he say he wants to fundamentally want to transform the United States? Why does he pit groups of Americans against each other?
Those are signs of hatred.
@ theoutsider:
C’mon, there is no question that Obama hates America; he’s doing everything in his power to fuck it up. He is certainly the first anti-American President.
@ Iron Fist:
Propaganda works. The reality is the GOP is cowardly. But the media lies have worked.
@ Rodan:
The musings of rally participant “David O’Donnell of Portsmouth” does not a cultural phenomenon make. I just don’t believe there’s a significant number of voters who see god-like qualities in Obama and Mr. O’Donnell’s comment may well have been made with tongue firmly implanted in cheek.
@ Rodan:
Rodan: I have to agree with several of the others. The whole sun-god-king-pharaoh thing is getting a little old. I am also speaking to myself as I have also contributed to that image. No doubt that there are plenty of character issues to attack Obama on -- arrogance, hypocracy, untruthfulness, self-absorbed, etc, etc… However, the issues that will take him down are hellcare, the economy and the debt. Those are the issues that we need to focus on. Just my opinion.
@ Rodan:
Where did he ever say he supports the Muslim Brotherhood? He supports Democracy everywhere, which is not always good. I’ll admit that. And, What American president has not wanted to fundamentally transform the United States? Answer: None. EVERY Presidential candidate promises that.
Greetings Comrades, Glorious Revolution continues.
Our operatives participated in the Sunday Morning
programs dissemenating disinformation & misinformation
& the useful fools that host assisted us.
Comrade Holder guarantees that righteous fraud & voter
intimidation will be honored not punished.
When the Dear Leader is victorious the destruction of
the running dogs of Yankee Imperialism will be completed.
Best wishes & death to America!
Obama didn’t complain in 2008 when he was painted as the new Messiah, did he ?
RIX wrote:
You sound like you’ve been spending some quality time at The People’s Cube.
@ MacDuff:
Not in that sense. In a political sense. These are people who are devoid of any spiritual belief. Obama fills that void and they have latched onto him. If Obama was a normal political his own party would removed him from their nomination and run Hillary instead.
I was out this weekend and last and saw first hand the hold Obama has on people. Its really scary. Its a cult of personality.
Does any one remember ?
Obama Bypasses Congress, Gives $1.5 Billion to Muslim Brotherhood
@ theoutsider:
He helped them in Libya, Egypt and in Syria.
@ huckfunn:
If he was a normal politician, yes. But we are dealing with a cultural symbol. You need to destroy that symbol in order to make the case against him effective.
Guggi wrote:
Nope and too many Conservatives don’t know what they are up against. They think they are dealing with Carter redux. They don’t realize they are dealing with a cult of personality. You being an Austrian know exactly what I am talking about. Your nation experience the cult of political savior 70 years ago.
@ Guggi:
Good one. That is all borrowed money, too. One thing that Obama has shown is how weak the power of the purse really is. Hell, Congress hasn’t passed a budget since Obama was elected. The Republicans should make that a major issue. If Obama is re-elected he will rule as a virtual dictator. He will make the most imperial presidencies of the past look tame.
@ MacDuff:
What up dawg?
@ Rodan:
It looks like a secular Western government is about to take over in Libya, Egypt is PROBABLY going to be secular, and President Obama has not intervened in Syria. I’m glad he hasn’t intervened in Syria. I thought you were against the McCain, Miss Lindsay, Lieberman wing of the Republican party.
theoutsider wrote:
Not true—not historically, nor even recently. Reagan was not attempting to “transform” the US; leading a return to American values is not “transformation,” but conservative recoupment.
Romney is not trying to “transform” the US; he wants just such a return—an undoing of a series of damaging “transformations.” “Transforming” is a Progressive notion; “America is so fantastic that we must alter it out of all recognition.” If you hear someone talking of “transformation,” watch your wallet and your back, or, as Ralph Ellison said in Invisible Man when warning of the Communists, “Beware of those who speak of the ‘spiral of history.’ They are preparing a boomerang. Keep a steel helmet handy.”
theoutsider wrote:
What are you smoking? I’ll take some too.
Iron Fist wrote:
Congress has pretty much slapped Obama with its purse, girly-man style.
@ Rodan:
We seldom agree but there is a personal cult around Obama and this cult was definitely created by his advisers and the Democratic Party. Remember his nomination temple in 2008 ?
@ theoutsider:
I am against them. Obama BTW is helping the MB in Syria.
As for Libya, The Liberals claim they won, but the vote is not finished. Plus, the Islamists have the guns.
Guggi wrote:
You have seen this movie before in your past. That’s the point of my thread. We are dealing with a cult of personality/symbol. Hence why no matter how much he screws up, he still is in the game.
theoutsider wrote:
He’s leading from behind ////
C.I.A. Said to Aid in Steering Arms to Syrian Opposition
theoutsider wrote:
The (daily) death toll in Libya is still as high as in Syria but no one cares.
See the difference
Obama needs to have the kitchen sink thrown at him.
@ Rodan:
Throw it at him. He’ll still win.
Here is an example of the disconnect:
Hill Poll: Majority believe Obama has changed country for worse
If 56% of people think he changed the country for the worse, how the hell is he polling in the upper 40′s. This is just insanity.
theoutsider wrote:
Why in a bad economy, do you think Obama will still win? Are you admitting that there’s something more to Obama than a normal politician.
You are a Lefty, tell us why you guys are so confident?
Rodan wrote:
Because if I vote for the color of the skin I’m not a racist ? ///////
@ Rodan</@ Rodan:
I’m saying that Obama entered the economy about where FDR entered the economy in 1932. Romney is basically Alf Landon in 1936.
@ theoutsider:
By 1936 Unemployment had fallen from 24% to 17%. The economy was growing at 4-5%. Our unemployment only went done to people leaving the job market or going on disability. Our economy is barely growing. SO your 1936 scenario doesn’t cut it.
There is something else behind your confidence.
theoutsider wrote:
FDR and his proto-fascist “New Deal” prolonged the depression not a very good argument, isn’t it?
@ theoutsider:
I know the reason you are confident. Obama has the media and popular culture on his side. Plus he’s Black. That’s why you are confident. Be honest.
Rodan wrote:
“Cult of Personality” is far different from “god-king”, but I think calling direct attention to either is tricky. The people who elected him in ’08 and those who will, potentially reelect him aren’t blinded by the “Obama Marketing Campaign, they’re people who found the country in some difficult straights and elected a black man who voiced an uplifting message. They’re people who assuaged the racial guilt and felt that they were making some real progress to boot -- a “win-win” proposition.
In short, 2008 was the American people doing the wrong thing for all the right reasons; 2012 should be about doing the right thing for all the right reasons.
It’s hard for any of us, here, to imagine, but the people who actually elect presidents know nothing about the gradations and forms of “conservatism” or the close connections “liberalism” has to Socialism and Communism. Most of ‘em would look at you with a blank stare if you asked them about their “political ideology” and then would follow up with an answer that was carefully worded to not say much of anything.
Obama is now part of our history and Republicans should ignore “god-king” foolishness or any semblance thereof. Anything that even resembles a personal attack on Obama will backfire spectacularly. This needs to be an election about logic, math and policy -- about what’s working and what’s not. Romney’s the dispassionate accountant who’s job it is to right our ship and that’s a part he can play well.
@ Rodan:
The media and the popular culture have nothing to do with it Rodan. Being black has nothing to do with it. I’m just looking at the polls.
McCain didn’t attack O. personally and what did he achieve ? Elections are no children’s birthday party and no one should care about if O. is thin skinned or not. I doubt that the race card will play this time.
Romney outraised Obama in June, $106 million to $71 million
Jobs and the economey do not matter if your on the Democrat Party dole, all that counts is keeping commies in power and the checks flowing from D.C..
Rodan wrote:
Not really. The First Black President® has its own allure, but it’s not insurmountable. He’s maintained a personal likability, even though he’s increasingly professionally untrustworthy.
The Democrat Party lust to have all Americans on their “dole reservation”, your all headed for Pine Ridge Reservation now unless your real about your freedom and liberty.
Many liberals think they will be imune due to their vote for commie record. Not so, only the top 1% of the Red Commies will rule from on high.
It is the same very time with commies.
@ MacDuff:
Mac, you have much more faith in the dispassionate judgement
of the American people than I do. Objectivity would have
us looking at a Romney landslide, but we’re not.
Obama and his den of weasels have been successful with their
smears & demonization.
It’s sad but true, Romney will have to get down & dirty to
win, evem if it’s through surrogates
@ theoutsider:
You don’t really believe that?
a black man was not elected president…hiding from his whiteness is racist and cowardly, insecure and fake IMO
heysoos wrote:
Obama has racial identity issues & abandonment issues,
all rolled into dangerous narcissism.
Why isn’t he on a therapists couch instead of the
Oval Office?
@ theoutsider:
The polls are saying it is a toss-up. Obama is ahead, but within the margin of error. That is better than he should be running, but there are still four months to go. Most people aren’t paying attention yet. And Guggi is right. Obama isn’t raising the money he expected to. Right now raising money is the race. And Obama is losing. Badly.
This election is about red and red only.
Red Commie or U.S. .
MacDuff wrote:
The creation and perpetuation of “racial guilt” is the biggest fraud, and the biggest success, ever perpetrated by the Left.
King said during the March on Washington that the Civil Rights Movement sought to “cash a promissory note,” that note being full citizenship for black Americans. In this, he was completely correct. But that promissory note was cashed when the Voting Rights Act was passed and enforced—and that happened almost half a century ago. The note has not only been paid in full—it has been repaid and overpaid and overpaid again, and still there are those who are not satisfied.
The black community has been wandering for forty years in a desert of its own making—and, like the Israelites in the Bible, it neither wishes to leave its wandering nor can cease complaining about the conditions of its wandering. In the Bible, the Israelites got free food—manna—and their clothes did not wear out; they were recipients of divine welfare. They did not want to leave this welfare, enter into the Land, and have to work for a living, yet at the same time they could not stop complaining; “we’re bored with the food, we don’t have meat, it was better in Egypt, etc.” The black community does not want to leave the welfare of affirmative action, set-asides, laws and hiring and college admissions and aid and housing and foodstamps all provided gratis—but it cannot stop complaining about the extras it is not getting. The community’s Moses, Martin Luther King, was tragically cut down by assassination, but he had already been marginalized by the hustlers—the Korachs, Dathans and Abirams—by the time of his death.
Settle down Rodan. don’t panic yet, please. We need you to be focused and positive for the fight ahead. First, let me address a few points that you’ve made. I like that Romney has taken a vacation now. This is a long time before the election, and neither party has had its convention yet. Better to have Romney recharge his batteries now, then show signs of fatigue later on, when it really counts. The crap polls show some ground being lost, and while they may not be accurate, they are consistent. With that being said, there is one other important indicator that you’ve over looked. Romney is outraising Obama in campaign cash. (By the way, when you contribute to Romney, you actually get a secret decoder Romney club card, with your own special id strip attached, cool!) Remember 4 years ago, when the Zero had raised so much money that he was absolutely able to bury McCain and indeed every down ticket GOP candidate. We were all scared to the point of paralyzation with Obama’s prediction of being able to come up with a Billion Bones this time around. Now he is begging for couch change in order to fund his fundamental message of selling snake oil.
I do agree that Romney has missed some hanging curves, and blown a few opportunities over the past two weeks. But this ain’t McCain running, and he’ll get his shit together. So far, it has been his surrogates making the missteps. Romney’s decision to lay low was a temporary one, and taken because he saw himself ahead. They’ll react and take the fight to the Bamster again, just have a little faith.
Those on the dole and how they vote counts up.
If it is blacks, whites or brown does not matter.
The dole is welfare and farmers taking payments, it is all dole.
Americans are selling themselves into slavery.
John F. Kerry, man of low character, liar and commie to the core.
B. Obama,,,,,, man of low character, liar and commie to the core.
Black, white, 1/2, does not matter.
Low life, big liar and commmie red counts up.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Call it what you will, but whites spend an extraordinarily amount of time and effort in self-flagellation. Obama came to the election in 2008 as man with no real accomplishments with three uneventful years in the Senate being the foundation of the Obama brand. He’s a triad in terms of his symbolism; race, exotic background, exotic name. Obama is a symbol to people who value diversity above all else and that group is over-represented by angst-ridden whites.
theoutsider wrote:
Civilisations/nations come and go
MacDuff wrote:
“…And the idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone
All centuries but this and every country but his own…”
—Ko-Ko, the Lord High Executioner, speaking of those who ‘would not be missed’ in Gilbert & Sullivan’s “The Mikado”
Iron Fist wrote:
I wouldn’t put that much faith in the polls, personally.
Newsflash: People lie to pollsters all the time, particularly when it comes to sensitive issues.
Nobody wants to have the nice person on the phone think they’re a racist, do they?
@ lobo91:
I’m hoping that the “Bradley effect” is what is going on. I liken the the last four horrible King Putt years to the Dinkins years in NYC. The city was a filthy disaster with squeegee men at every stoplight. During the campaign though, Dinkins polled surprisingly well. Guiliani stomped Dinkins on election day and it could be explained by the white electorate saying one thing to the pollsters but voted for the white guy in the privacy of the booth. No one wants to give even a whiff of what could be construed of racism.
MacDuff wrote:
I believe you are giving the Electorate too much credit for being smarter than they really are. Most of Obama’s voters don’t have two brain cells to rub together and of those that do, one is dying of loneliness. To the Obama Voters it’s all about ‘Free Stuff’ and ‘Sticking it to the Man’…
@ Da_Beerfreak:
I disagree with your analysis vehemently. The average person is intelligent, and savvy. In 2008, a lot of people were not paying attention, and felt that our dire warnings of Obama being a Marxist radical were overblown hyperbole. 4 years of this and I don’t know of anyone who doesn’t realize exactly what he is. Are there a lot of dolts in America? Certainly there are, but that does not meant that at least more than half of us are not so stupid.
@ Flyovercountry:
You should have listen to Rush today. He was making the same point I am making here. Obama needs to be attacked personally. We are dealing with something different here.
Here’s an article from the Hill that makes my point.
Obama can be beaten, but just talking about the economy will not do it. You need to get people to dislike Obama and make him an object of ridicule.
@ Flyovercountry:
Uninformed or stupid, it doesn’t matter the results are the same. That is what the D’Rats are counting on and we have to find a way to counter it.
( I know that the fist post was a bit harsh.
It’s Monday and that’s just the mood I’m in… 
)
@ Da_Beerfreak:
The way to beat Obama is to make people dislike him and turn him into a joke.
@ Rodan:
He will, this is what I am saying. Romney for all of his faults knows how to get into the rumble down and dirty. His attacks on his fellow Republicans were down right vicious, and not at all fair. He’ll come out swinging.
35% know what he is as they are the same and or lust for the dole.
10% can be bought.
It is the other independent 10% or getting out our conservative votes that will make the difference.
McCain running like he did caused our conservative voters to stay home and 6% or more of the independents to vote for this known but unknown commie nut job Obama.@ Flyovercountry:
When Romney was at Bain Capital, the takeovers they did were not done with no competion. Romney knows how to win on the attack.
He may even know a bit about ambushes.
@ Flyovercountry:
@ taxfreekiller:
Put another way, Obama thinks to highly of himself and thinks he can not be out done and is not watching where he is walking in the proples woods. It is my opinion his commie group knows nothing of walking point and smelling out ambushes.
“peoples” woods.@ taxfreekiller:
Or, he leads with his chin.@ taxfreekiller:
Ace has a post that Romney is set to call Obama a liar.
Romney actually does want to win this. Whether he wants to win this for reasons I would support is another question.
McCain was a different animal. All he wanted to do was to beat other Republicans -- specifically, the religious Republicans and the anti-immigrationist Republicans. In 2000 he called the former “evil”. Over the immigration mess later, his BFF Lindsey Graham called the anti-immigration guys “bigots” who should “shut up”. McCain genuinely hates the American Right.