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The Victim Value Index

by Speranza ( 116 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Election 2008, Free Speech, Hate Speech, Hillary Clinton, Leftist-Islamic Alliance, Liberal Fascism, Multiculturalism, Political Correctness, Politics, Progressives at August 9th, 2012 - 2:00 pm

According to the Knish, Muslims  despite their hatred of homosexuality and their oppression of women.  Right underneath them are Blacks and let’s face it, that is the only reason why an incompetent Cook County hack such as Barack Obama ever was elected (and very well might be re-elected president. Disruptiveness is what gets you the the top of the V.V.I., people are afraid of  Muslims because of their violent tendencies, they are not afraid of American Indians or Asians.

by Daniel Greenfield

Toward the end of Animal Farm when the formerly revolutionary seven commandments have been rewritten to “All Animals are Equal… But Some Animals are More Equal than Others”, what began with the promise of equality has reverted to an authoritarian caste system. America’s civil rights revolution similarly began with, “All Americans are Equal” and ended up with, “All Americans are Equal… But Some Americans are More Equal than Others.”

Liberals have seized the commanding heights of the moral high ground by presenting themselves as the protectors of minorities and vowing to replace one racist system with an equally racist, anti-racist system. But caste systems aren’t just black and white and the rainbow coalition has internal conflicts. What do liberals do when different groups within the rainbow coalition conflict and how do they make that determination?

It’s not a new question. Black men got the vote before white women did, and that very issue led to a heated debate over universal suffrage in the Fourteenth Amendment, which was written to include black men, but exclude women. Suffragists were told in Fredrick Douglass’ words, “This is the Negro’s hour.” To explain why that was the hour on the clock, Douglass brought out what would become the Victim Value Index.

“When women because they are women are dragged from their houses and hung upon lamp-posts… then they will have the urgency to obtain the ballot equal to our own,” Douglass sneered. Women had been dragged out of their homes and subjected to horrors because they were women for far longer than the brief few centuries of African slavery in America, but Douglass’ real point was, “My suffering beats your suffering, so my rights beat your rights.” In contemporary progressivism this is expressed in the sneering “White Women’s Tears” meme.

Suffering is the central ideological component of the Victim Value Index

Suffering is the central ideological component of the Victim Value Index. “He Who Suffers Most Wins.” But suffering, as in the Douglass debate, is relative. Ego means that people feel their own pain first. And even when they feel someone else’s pain more than that of their own group, this is a personal egotistical identification, a selective empathy that derives from their own background and psychological makeup.

Historical suffering transmuted into guilt is the gold standard of liberalism, but suffering is relative. In our wonderful multi-everything society, there are so many groups with so many claims to pain. Everyone agrees that the Heteronormative Caucasian Patriarchy of Doom is to blame for all of it, but that still leaves the question of dividing up the spoils of the system and all the privileges to be gained from denouncing privilege. A caste system doesn’t work without priority, and calculating the priority of privilege claims by the perpetually underprivileged is complicated.

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Dirty little secret of the Victim Value Index

The first thing to understand is the dirty little secret of the Victim Value Index. While loud vocal assertions of suffering are very important, the substance of such suffering is unimportant when moving up the ladder of the Victim Value Index.

If historical justice for suffering were the barometer, American Indians would be at the head of the line. While conceptually they are, progressives respond to praises of America by bringing them up, in practice they are somewhere near the back end of the middle. The group currently at the head of the line, Muslims, have the least claim on historical justice, but are at the center of civil rights activism.

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The Victim Value Index is calculated based on one overriding factor: Disruptiveness. Those who are most disruptive go to the head of the line. This can be mistaken for a “Squeaky Wheel Gets the Grease” phenomenon, and occasionally in the micro it is, but in the macro it goes to the question of why progressives value minorities and for what purpose.

To be a progressive is to be committed to perpetual reform in the name of perpetual grievance for perpetual power

To be a progressive is to be committed to perpetual reform in the name of perpetual grievance for perpetual power. Grievance is to their government feudalism what the Divine Right of Kings was to feudal rulers. It justifies their right to agitate and undermine, to seize power by any means necessary and to implement their programs legally or extra-legally.

Reformers need their bleeding sores, their cries of outrage and their muck to rake. Those who give them that often go to the head of the line acting as their secular clergy, blessing their rule and anointing them as the protectors of their faith in hope and change. But that’s just part of it.

Progressivism is a revolution in slow motion, and revolutions need revolutionaries. Disruption is more than just grievance, it’s violence. Those who are willing to attack the system head to overthrow it are the ones who go to the head of the line and the dais of honor on top. A little murder and mayhem, and progressives will trot out “moderate” versions of the murderers and mayhemists, usually linked to them, and offer to represent them and tamp down the violence in exchange for meeting their demands.

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If you think that’s farfetched, what do you think happened in 2008 when a completely inept hack blew through Hillary Clinton and John McCain on a pledge to end the wars and repair our relations with the Muslim world? Why exactly do you think the Democrats chose a man with no experience except a few books about growing up in a Muslim country and Hussein as his middle name? Why was that man then awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for no discernible accomplishment?

September 11 and its aftermath is why Muslims have gone to the top of the Victim Value Index. The left may swear up and down that they are interested in Muslim civil rights, but if the Muslims were Sikhs, they would merit a place somewhere in the back. Before Muslims began prominently blowing things up in the United States, the left barely paid any attention to them. Once they did, they began outweighing every other group in the country because killing 3,000 people is the gold standard of revolutionary mayhem.

The Victim Value Index places the most disruptive groups at the front, the somewhat disruptive groups in the middle and the least disruptive groups at the back. The status of groups within the Index can change with their behavior. Muslims used to be shelved in the back with Asians, Indians and Jews. The War on Terror dramatically upgraded their status. The other groups are stuck there because they are relatively successful and aren’t rioting or blowing things up.

Latinos are still somewhere in the middle. Native Americans are in the back along with most unclassified minorities. Homosexuals are somewhere near the front, but behind African-Americans. Their status tends to drift wildly depending on current events, but they cannot overtake African-Americans or fall behind Latinos. Not unless some drastic events take place that change their status. Women are, and have always been, in the back.

The practical value of the Victim Value Index is that it mediates internal conflicts

The practical value of the Victim Value Index is that it mediates internal conflicts. For example, a bias attack by a member of a high-value group on a member of a low-value group is much less likely to be treated as a hate crime. However, an ordinary attack by a member of a low-value group on a member of a high-value group is more likely to be treated as a bias attack even when it isn’t.

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White men have the lowest VVI status imaginable, and are fair game for racist jokes and bias attacks, but Asians, who have a fairly low VVI status, are also fair game. VVI status is group based but can be forfeited by an individual who engages in counterrevolutionary behavior, thereby forfeiting a status awarded to his group for its revolutionary disruptiveness. Any minority group member who aligns with conservatives is immediately assigned the same VVI status as a white male. A low-status VVI who offends a high-status VVI group may be treated the same way.

Speech codes are an easy way to determine VVI status

Speech codes are an easy way to determine VVI status. As a black man, Juan Williams was a high-status VVI, allowing him to make otherwise politically incorrect observations. He was only purged for offending Muslims, a group with a higher status VVI.  But black sportscasters who make jokes about Asian men are rarely reprimanded because Asians have a lower VVI status. Jokes and politically incorrect remarks about lower-status VVI’s such as Asians, Jews or women are permitted within liberal circles. Making those same remarks about middle-status VVI’s is dangerous and generally frowned on. High-status VVI’s are completely off limits to anyone who is not a member of that same group.

This is more than just a guide on how to safely be politically incorrect, it’s a map of the caste system under which we live. The caste system determines what jobs we get, what things we can say and what is expected of us in everything from job performance to conspicuous displays of social justice. It is how we live now, and it is vitally important to understand that it really is this way in every place that falls under the shadow of government mandates and the progressive Kulturkampf against equality.

In the grip of the left, we have become a culture that rewards destruction and disruption, that feeds the worst behaviors and then blames their repetition on society’s failings, rather than their own calculated tactical assault on the country. We can be a country where all Americans are equal or we can be a country where all Americans are equal… but some Americans are more equal than others in the name of remedying inequality.

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  1. Will Consult for Food
    1 | August 9, 2012 2:12 pm

    Who what happened to comments on the It Gets Worse thread? I’ve got a screen full of colored blocks.


  2. heysoos
    2 | August 9, 2012 2:35 pm

    way too many sheep in this country, all relying on the latest media buzz to determine their point of view…I’m a natural contrarian, opposed to excessive authority, distrustful, do not identify with groups and most importantly, mind my own damned business…I’m neither victim or perp, and when things go bad for me, it’s my own fault


  3. brookly red
    3 | August 9, 2012 2:46 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    way too many sheep in this country, all relying on the latest media buzz to determine their point of view…I’m a natural contrarian, opposed to excessive authority, distrustful, do not identify with groups and most importantly, mind my own damned business…I’m neither victim or perp, and when things go bad for me, it’s my own fault

    unless the gubermint is fucking me


  4. eaglesoars
    4 | August 9, 2012 2:48 pm

    so where do women who need gov’t provided contraception belong on this map?


  5. heysoos
    5 | August 9, 2012 2:50 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    way too many sheep in this country, all relying on the latest media buzz to determine their point of view…I’m a natural contrarian, opposed to excessive authority, distrustful, do not identify with groups and most importantly, mind my own damned business…I’m neither victim or perp, and when things go bad for me, it’s my own fault

    unless the gubermint is fucking me

    the govt has fucked me over a few time, so I fucked them over back….I won’t take any shit from those guys…I have not filed a tax return in 6 years, while my money piles up, and my health care is supreme


  6. Speranza
    6 | August 9, 2012 2:55 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I’m a natural contrarian

    So I’ve noticed!


  7. mawskrat
    7 | August 9, 2012 2:55 pm

    USA vs Japan for gold medal is on now

    for any lurkers here or any one else that
    loves thier country and futbol. they are
    playing in Wembley Stadium.

    frakkin commies need not watch////>lol


  8. 8 | August 9, 2012 2:55 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    so where do women who need gov’t provided contraception belong on this map?

    I would say they are at the front near The Muzz.


  9. Speranza
    9 | August 9, 2012 2:55 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    so where do women who need gov’t provided contraception belong on this map?

    Let them go to Walgreen’s and pick up a box of condoms for their guys -- that’s what someone said to Sandra Fluke.


  10. mawskrat
    10 | August 9, 2012 2:56 pm

    USA scores in the 8th minute!!!!


  11. 11 | August 9, 2012 2:57 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Since when are free Contraceptives a right?


  12. heysoos
    12 | August 9, 2012 2:58 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    I’m a natural contrarian
    So I’ve noticed!

    it’s in my Corsican pirate blood….on the other hand I feel I’ve been very generous with my money and time toward those less fortunate than me…fuck the rules, play by them and you get raped


  13. Speranza
    13 | August 9, 2012 2:59 pm

    Asians, who value hard work and family loyalty -- do not act the part of “victims”.


  14. Speranza
    14 | August 9, 2012 2:59 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    it’s in my Corsican pirate blood….on the other hand I feel I’ve been very generous with my money and time toward those less fortunate than me…fuck the rules, play by them and you get raped

    Any relation to one Napoleono Buonaparte?


  15. eaglesoars
    15 | August 9, 2012 3:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I would say they are at the front near The Muzz.

    I’m not sure. Knish posits that the VVI is based on the tendency for disruptiveness, i.e., violence. I can’t see Sandra Fluke smuggling bombs

    have to hit the store. C ya!


  16. heysoos
    16 | August 9, 2012 3:02 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    it’s in my Corsican pirate blood….on the other hand I feel I’ve been very generous with my money and time toward those less fortunate than me…fuck the rules, play by them and you get raped
    Any relation to one Napoleono Buonaparte?

    heh…I don’t think so….but my family is a very tight knit mini mob, his gang was much bigger…we take care of each other, he wanted to control an empire


  17. 17 | August 9, 2012 3:04 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Hey I have Corsican in me as well. Part of my ancestry from Puerto Rico is Corsican. In fact, 1/4 of Puerto Rican last names are Corsican.

    Here’s a good article about Corsican Puerto Ricans.


  18. 18 | August 9, 2012 3:04 pm

    @ Speranza:

    See my #17.

    This is why many Puerto Ricans have Italian last names.


  19. RIX
    19 | August 9, 2012 3:06 pm

    When Obama Care is totally implemented there will
    be priorities & rationing.
    People view it as an attack on the medical delivery
    system & an economic disaster.
    It is also social engineering. Ask yourself, is a White
    Devil going to get treated ahead of a member of a
    favored victim group?


  20. 20 | August 9, 2012 3:08 pm

    @ RIX:

    Ask yourself, is a White
    Devil going to get treated ahead of a member of a
    favored victim group?

    If it’s a Progressive White yes. If it’s a Conservative White no.


  21. lobo91
    21 | August 9, 2012 3:09 pm

    @ RIX:

    Ask yourself, is a White
    Devil going to get treated ahead of a member of a
    favored victim group?

    Particularly after we start importing “doctors” from third world countries to replace all the ones who quit…


  22. heysoos
    22 | August 9, 2012 3:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Hey I have Corsican in me as well. Part of my ancestry from Puerto Rico is Corsican. In fact, 1/4 of Puerto Rican last names are Corsican.
    Here’s a good article about Corsican Puerto Ricans.

    then you might understand my outlaw view on life in America…I mostly toe the line, but I’ll go out of bounds if I feel I have to…I hate the feds


  23. lobo91
    23 | August 9, 2012 3:11 pm

    I wish more people could see what the government-run clinics in Kuwait are like.

    Imagine what you’d see in a bus station in, say, Pakistan…


  24. 24 | August 9, 2012 3:12 pm

    @ heysoos:

    You want to laugh about historical ironies. Napoleon Bonaparte started off as a Corsican Nationalist. Then ended up French Emperor. Funny how that works.


  25. heysoos
    25 | August 9, 2012 3:13 pm

    @ RIX:
    look up the latest CBO findings regarding insured numbers by 2022…still untold millions uninsured…you won’t see a post on that at LGF….it’s a disaster, and they worship the CBO over there


  26. 26 | August 9, 2012 3:13 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Obamacare is a backdoor way to bring in More Muzz. They are not going to bring doctors from India, South America or Europe. You saw the visa lottery commercials. Just imagine that x100!


  27. 27 | August 9, 2012 3:13 pm

    @ heysoos:

    They worship Obama as Domitian reincarnated!


  28. lobo91
    28 | August 9, 2012 3:15 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ RIX:
    look up the latest CBO findings regarding insured numbers by 2022…still untold millions uninsured…you won’t see a post on that at LGF….it’s a disaster, and they worship the CBO over there

    If Obama’s reelected, lack of health insurance will be the least of anyone’s problems in 2022…


  29. lobo91
    29 | August 9, 2012 3:16 pm

    Well, I’m off to bed.

    74 hours until I’m paroled…


  30. heysoos
    30 | August 9, 2012 3:16 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    You want to laugh about historical ironies. Napoleon Bonaparte started off as a Corsican Nationalist. Then ended up French Emperor. Funny how that works.

    when you conquer and loot like he did, anything is possible…oddly he was not into self promotion as we know it, beyond his proclaiming himself emperor, that is…strange fellow…did you know that more books have been written about him than any other human?


  31. Guggi
    31 | August 9, 2012 3:20 pm

    somehow related

    Does the Left Really Care About Gay Marriage?

    Only if it’s a white conservative Christian who opposes it. Otherwise…


  32. 32 | August 9, 2012 3:20 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Yes, I have read many books on Napoleon. He’s a very contradictory guy. He was an Imperialist, yet was a Classical Liberal (Libertarian-Conservative). He abolished Feudalism and ended segregation of Jews in Europe. He is not the demon that some have made him out to be.


  33. 33 | August 9, 2012 3:21 pm

    @ Guggi:

    That’s true. Muslims and nation of Islam are very anti-Gay. Yet the Left embraces it. Gay Marriage is just a way to club Conservatives over the head.


  34. 34 | August 9, 2012 3:26 pm

    OK, Romney should not pick Paul Ryan. David Frum said so!

    The clamor you are hearing for Paul Ryan for VP is not about helping the Romney candidacy. It’s about controlling the Romney campaign—and ultimately the Romney presidency. It’s about forcing a platform on Romney, and then dictating the agenda for that presidency’s first year. The platform happens to be suicidal, and the agenda impossible, but that does not matter to the Ryan advocates. They take the old Tammany Hall point of view: “Better to lose an agenda than lose control of the party.”

    In that sense, the Ryan proposal is a test of Romney’s leadership. If he accedes, it’s a big surrender of control—and a surrender to many of those who most opposed (and who inwardly continue to dislike) his nomination.

    I’m sure Romney now will not select Ryan! David Frum has spoken!
    //////


  35. Speranza
    35 | August 9, 2012 3:29 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Since when are free Contraceptives a right?

    It ain’t but you can get them on sale if you are a smart shopper.


  36. Speranza
    36 | August 9, 2012 3:31 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Hey I have Corsican in me as well. Part of my ancestry from Puerto Rico is Corsican. In fact, 1/4 of Puerto Rican last names are Corsican.

    Here’s a good article about Corsican Puerto Ricans.

    What nationality are you not a part of?
    Roman, Lebanese, Colombian, Spanish, Dominican, and Serbian I seem to recall.


  37. 37 | August 9, 2012 3:31 pm

    @ Speranza:

    See my #34. David Frum has spoken!


  38. RIX
    38 | August 9, 2012 3:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Ask youself, is a White
    Devil going to get treated ahead of a member of a
    fvaored victim group?
    If it’s a Progressive White yes. If it’s a Conservative White no.

    Yeah, the acceptable whites will have a code on their
    ID’s


  39. 39 | August 9, 2012 3:34 pm

    @ Rodan:
    That makes me want Ryan even more. What does David Frum know? He’s no Republican. He’s all “No Labels”, right? Screw him.


  40. RIX
    40 | August 9, 2012 3:34 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Ask youself, is a White
    Devil going to get treated ahead of a member of a
    fvaored victim group?
    Particularly after we start importing “doctors” from third world countries to replace all the ones who quit…

    When they bring those doctors in there will have to be
    remedial courses to distinguish the human anatomy from
    that of cattle. What could go wrong?


  41. Speranza
    41 | August 9, 2012 3:35 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    See my #34. David Frum has spoken!

    David Frum, has completely beclowned himself the past few years whith his whiny pesudo-liberalism.


  42. 42 | August 9, 2012 3:35 pm

    @ Speranza:

    All Hispanics in Latin America are of mixed heritage.

    Ok this is how it goes.

    On my Mom’s side: Galician-Spaniard and Lebanese-Dominican. On my Dad side: Sicilian and Pureto Rican. That Puerto Rican is of Corsican, Montenegrin (Serbs) and Tinio Indian. My Stepdad is Colombian of Poertuguese-Jewish, Castilian and Chibcha Indian origins.

    But talk to any Latin American they will tell you. Hey Vicente Fox and Alberto Fujimoris are not exactly Spanish names!


  43. mawskrat
    43 | August 9, 2012 3:36 pm

    at the break USA 1 -- Japan nil


  44. RIX
    44 | August 9, 2012 3:36 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ RIX:
    look up the latest CBO findings regarding insured numbers by 2022…still untold millions uninsured…you won’t see a post on that at LGF….it’s a disaster, and they worship the CBO over there

    The whole thing is a mess. Costs will go through the roof,
    doctors will leave the profession & care will be rationed.


  45. 45 | August 9, 2012 3:38 pm

    @ RIX:

    They are enlightened Hip Whites!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    They will split Hispanics also. White Hispanics will be treated like White Conservatives.


  46. 46 | August 9, 2012 3:39 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    That makes me want Ryan even more. What does David Frum know? He’s no Republican. He’s all “No Labels”, right? Screw him.

    Yup. It’s so funny. He was pushing Romney the whole time and threatened to leave the GOP if we didn’t select it. Mitt is the nominee and Frum is still bitching.

    Beware of Moderates!


  47. 47 | August 9, 2012 3:47 pm

    @ RIX:
    That is the whole point of ObamaCare. The want healthcare rationed. That way they can allocate it according to their desires. The politically unfavored need not apply.


  48. Speranza
    48 | August 9, 2012 3:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    That makes me want Ryan even more. What does David Frum know? He’s no Republican. He’s all “No Labels”, right? Screw him.

    Yup. It’s so funny. He was pushing Romney the whole time and threatened to leave the GOP if we didn’t select it. Mitt is the nominee and Frum is still bitching.
    Beware of Moderates!

    Just like they were pimping for McCain to be the nominee.


  49. 49 | August 9, 2012 3:51 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Eugenics is the end game!


  50. 50 | August 9, 2012 3:53 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yup. They trick Republicans with the “if only you nominate a moderate.” That’s all the GOP has nominated since 1988. The only one you can make any argument for being Conservative is Bob Dole. But even that is a stretch.


  51. mawskrat
    51 | August 9, 2012 3:57 pm

    USA 2 -- Japan nil


  52. The Osprey
    52 | August 9, 2012 4:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    They worship Obama as Domitian reincarnated!

    No, he is Pharoah Puttmostest The First…aka “King Putt”.


  53. Guggi
    53 | August 9, 2012 4:05 pm

    The WHO says France has the best health care system

    The World Health Organization has carried out the first ever analysis of the world’s health systems. Using five performance indicators to measure health systems in 191 member states, it finds that France provides the best overall health care followed among major countries by Italy, Spain, Oman, Austria and Japan.

    (…)

    The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy.

    This is one of the most absurd studies you can find. Ah and btw: the infant death rate in France is 3.9 per 1,000 live births, compared with 7 in the U.S., because France starts counting only 6 months after the baby was born while the U.S.A. starts counting immediately after birth. So France doesn ‘t have all the babies in the statistics who die between birth and the first 6 months.


  54. 54 | August 9, 2012 4:10 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    All hail the god-king!!!!!!!!!!!


  55. heysoos
    55 | August 9, 2012 4:12 pm

    Fwogs are good for their bread….little else…
    the Eiffel Tower is kinds cool tho


  56. Guggi
    56 | August 9, 2012 4:21 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Fwogs are good for their bread….little else…
    the Eiffel Tower is kinds cool tho

    Only the baguette if at all. The best bread you can get is from Austria. Kaisersemmeln, Salzstangerln, Salz/Kümmelweckerln, Kornspitz, Mohnweckerln, Schusterlaiberln, Kipferln, not to mention about 200+ kinds of brown bread.


  57. heysoos
    57 | August 9, 2012 4:22 pm

    when I cross paths with this Longman dude, he’s finished….every time he looks in a mirror he’ll remember Lolo…I swear it
    http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/08/09/lolo-jones-coach-no-comparison-to-kournikova-will-race-in-2016/


  58. heysoos
    58 | August 9, 2012 4:23 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Fwogs are good for their bread….little else…
    the Eiffel Tower is kinds cool tho
    Only the baguette if at all. The best bread you can get is from Austria. Kaisersemmeln, Salzstangerln, Salz/Kümmelweckerln, Kornspitz, Mohnweckerln, Schusterlaiberln, Kipferln, not to mention about 200+ kinds of brown bread.

    heh…interesting, thanks


  59. buzzsawmonkey
    59 | August 9, 2012 4:42 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Gay Marriage is just a way to club Conservatives over the head.

    Not just conservatives. The gay-rights movement was founded on the objective of destroying marriage, family, and religion. The movement has been at the forefront of destroying First Amendment protections for 40 years; it is behind the “speech codes” at universities, “hate crime” laws, etc.

    The term “homophobia” is a pseudoscientific term intended to imply that anyone who disagrees with the gay-rights agenda of the moment is motivated by a “phobia”—a clinical term for a fear that rises to the level of a mental disease. The term was introduced to silence disagreement and open discussion, and to imply, with its every usage by whichever side in a discussion, that it is the opponents of the gay-rights lobby which are “the sick ones.”

    The speech code/hate crime initiatives have so narrowed open discourse over time that any disagreement with the gay-rights agenda is reflexively dismissed as “hate,” as if “hate” were an absolute value. This was seen repeatedly in the last few weeks in the course of the Chick-Fil-A brouhaha. True hate, however, was on display in Dade County, Florida in 1977, when singer Anita Bryant got the Alinsky treatment for opposing the addition of “sexual or affectional preference” to the Dade County “rights law.” It was on display, too, in California in 2008, when opponents of same-sex marriage supported Proposition 8, in a state which already had one of the most comprehensive domestic partnership laws in the nation. The Mormon Church went on record in opposition to same-sex marriage, and came in for particular vilification; expect to see some of this revived as the election draws nearer, given Obama’s support for same-sex marriage and Mitt Romney’s religion.

    The purpose of pushing same-sex marriage—the movement’s former must-destroy transposed into its now-absolutely-must-have—is to be able to attack traditional religious denominations on equal-protection grounds if they refuse to perform same-sex marriages or even teach the Bible. Already, there have been lawsuits against purveyors of flower arrangements, bed-and-breakfast proprietors and, I believe, banquet halls and caterers, who have declined same-sex marriage business. These attacks on private businesses both serve as a warning of what will come if same-sex marriage becomes more widespread, and show that the gay-rights lobby is getting perilously near to its decades-long effort to make homosexuals a “suspect class” akin to “race” under American constitutional law. This is particularly pernicious because, unlike blacks, who were denied the civil right to vote, there are no genuine civil rights denied those professing same-sex affection. It is entirely a human-rights movement, seeking special privileges for a particular subgroup.


  60. heysoos
    60 | August 9, 2012 4:56 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    so if we as a culture embrace same sex marriage, problem solved and all the wild conspiracy theories become irrelevant….pretty simple


  61. buzzsawmonkey
    61 | August 9, 2012 5:03 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    so if we as a culture embrace same sex marriage, problem solved and all the wild conspiracy theories become irrelevant….pretty simple

    Quite the opposite: if “we as a culture embrace same-sex marriage” it will destroy, as it is intended to do, the freedom of speech and freedom of religion currently protected by the First Amendment.


  62. NoThreat2U
    62 | August 9, 2012 5:05 pm

    @ heysoos:
    I refuse to accept something that goes against my beliefs just to get along. Screw that. How about they accept the fact that not all of us agree with them and they keep their private business to themselves….pretty simple.


  63. brookly red
    63 | August 9, 2012 5:06 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    so if we as a culture embrace same sex marriage, problem solved and all the wild conspiracy theories become irrelevant….pretty simple

    Quite the opposite: if “we as a culture embrace same-sex marriage” it will destroy, as it is intended to do, the freedom of speech and freedom of religion currently allegedly protected by the First Amendment.

    minor edit… hope you don’t mind


  64. heysoos
    64 | August 9, 2012 5:07 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    so if we as a culture embrace same sex marriage, problem solved and all the wild conspiracy theories become irrelevant….pretty simple
    Quite the opposite: if “we as a culture embrace same-sex marriage” it will destroy, as it is intended to do, the freedom of speech and freedom of religion currently protected by the First Amendment.

    whoa…gays are out to destroy the Constitution?…that’s quite a leap….I’m sorry but I have to go have a good laugh….gayness has absolutely nothing to do with religion, especially in legal terms


  65. brookly red
    65 | August 9, 2012 5:09 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I refuse to accept something that goes against my beliefs just to get along. Screw that. How about they accept the fact that not all of us agree with them and they keep their private business to themselves….pretty simple.

    they can’t do that, like religious fanatics their’s can be the only true way…


  66. buzzsawmonkey
    66 | August 9, 2012 5:10 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    whoa…gays are out to destroy the Constitution?…that’s quite a leap….I’m sorry but I have to go have a good laugh….gayness has absolutely nothing to do with religion, especially in legal terms

    You are grossly ignorant of the gay-rights movement, and what it has been up to since it was first started by Communists in this country in the years following WWII, not to mention what it has been up to since the movement was taken over by New Leftists and Maoists following the 1969 Stonewall riot.

    In short, you have no idea what you are talking about.


  67. NoThreat2U
    67 | August 9, 2012 5:10 pm

    @ brookly red:
    Exactly why I refuse to go along just to get along.


  68. heysoos
    68 | August 9, 2012 5:11 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I refuse to accept something that goes against my beliefs just to get along. Screw that. How about they accept the fact that not all of us agree with them and they keep their private business to themselves….pretty simple.

    well that’s the point, I agree…noisy gay revolutionaries deserve nothing more than silence…we all abide by the same laws…this whole argument is a matter of semantics…marriage is a civil union, call it whatever you want


  69. brookly red
    69 | August 9, 2012 5:11 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    so if we as a culture embrace same sex marriage, problem solved and all the wild conspiracy theories become irrelevant….pretty simple
    Quite the opposite: if “we as a culture embrace same-sex marriage” it will destroy, as it is intended to do, the freedom of speech and freedom of religion currently protected by the First Amendment.

    whoa…gays are out to destroy the Constitution?…that’s quite a leap….I’m sorry but I have to go have a good laugh….gayness has absolutely nothing to do with religion, especially in legal terms

    gays themselves? no. those that politicize gayness, I am afraid so


  70. buzzsawmonkey
    70 | August 9, 2012 5:12 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    minor edit… hope you don’t mind

    Sadly, quite an accurate edit. The First Amendment is a hollow shell of what it was, in large part due to the gay-rights movement—and to the Islamist movement, which has copied the gay-rights playbook.


  71. heysoos
    71 | August 9, 2012 5:13 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    whoa…gays are out to destroy the Constitution?…that’s quite a leap….I’m sorry but I have to go have a good laugh….gayness has absolutely nothing to do with religion, especially in legal terms
    You are grossly ignorant of the gay-rights movement, and what it has been up to since it was first started by Communists in this country in the years following WWII, not to mention what it has been up to since the movement was taken over by New Leftists and Maoists following the 1969 Stonewall riot.
    In short, you have no idea what you are talking about.

    heysoos wrote:

    NoThreat2U wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    I refuse to accept something that goes against my beliefs just to get along. Screw that. How about they accept the fact that not all of us agree with them and they keep their private business to themselves….pretty simple.

    well that’s the point, I agree…noisy gay revolutionaries deserve nothing more than silence…we all abide by the same laws…this whole argument is a matter of semantics…marriage is a civil union, call it whatever you want

    I think you are a paranoid freak…why don’t you mind your own business in terms of marriage and civil union?…gays will not change the constitution or take over America…your theory is laughable


  72. NoThreat2U
    72 | August 9, 2012 5:14 pm

    @ heysoos:
    There are two types of marriage…in a church, where the union is blessed by God and at the JP office, where he performs civil unions.


  73. brookly red
    73 | August 9, 2012 5:16 pm

    marriage has 2 components the civil and the spiritual. some can argue that the state can not confer it because it can not recognize the spiritual aspect only the civil. likewise the church can not confer the civil aspect (in a secular state)… soooo what to do?


  74. buzzsawmonkey
    74 | August 9, 2012 5:16 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    well that’s the point, I agree…noisy gay revolutionaries deserve nothing more than silence…we all abide by the same laws…this whole argument is a matter of semantics…marriage is a civil union, call it whatever you want

    You refuse to comprehend that sloppy thinking and, worse, sloppy language is something that permits all sorts of pernicious activity to take root.

    The names that things are given matters; as the old saying goes, “If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?” The answer, of course, is four—because calling a tail a leg does not make it a leg.

    Leftists, and Leftism, encourage sloppy thinking and sloppy language, using appeals to “compassion” to cover the insidiousness that sloppy language and sloppy thinking permit. We are a nation of laws—and good laws define their terms as clearly as possible to discourage as much sloppy thinking and sloppy language, and therefore as many sloppy results, as possible.

    Your saying “call it what you want” is throwing the doors of sloppy thinking wide open.


  75. buzzsawmonkey
    75 | August 9, 2012 5:21 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    I think you are a paranoid freak…why don’t you mind your own business in terms of marriage and civil union?…gays will not change the constitution or take over America…your theory is laughable

    And I think you are a muzzle-headed jerk—not because you disagree with me, but because your responses are too damned empty to be worth disagreeing with. As the saying goes, “You are not even wrong.” Your utterances are too blurry to be wrong, because they have NO fact, only empty opinion.

    I have made statements here about the history of the gay-rights movement, about the processes of the gay-rights movement, about the results that the gay-rights movement has achieved, and is working to achieve. All of these are based on actual historical facts, actual statements by movement people, actual incidents. Your blatherings are based on nothing except your own opinion—which is, frankly, utterly worthless.


  76. heysoos
    76 | August 9, 2012 5:21 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    all men are created equal…or was your god bullshitting you? and you decide what’s bullshit?….I don’t think so…let people live the way they want to…so your intolerance is mortal, rather than divine?…is that a Christian belief


  77. brookly red
    77 | August 9, 2012 5:25 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    all men are created equal…or was your god bullshitting you? and you decide what’s bullshit?….I don’t think so…let people live the way they want to…so your intolerance is mortal, rather than divine?…is that a Christian belief

    actually the concept that all men are equal in the eyes of the law is not a religious concept although it is the creation of Christians…


  78. heysoos
    78 | August 9, 2012 5:27 pm

    people have to over intellectualize to impress us of the lower strata…why not just let gays marry each other?…what’s the problem?…I hear a bunch of red neck theories, opinion and tripe…but what’s the problem?, gays are gonna trash the Constitution?….that’s nothing short of hysterical


  79. heysoos
    79 | August 9, 2012 5:28 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    all men are created equal…or was your god bullshitting you? and you decide what’s bullshit?….I don’t think so…let people live the way they want to…so your intolerance is mortal, rather than divine?…is that a Christian belief

    actually the concept that all men are equal in the eyes of the law is not a religious concept although it is the creation of Christians…

    if god created man in his image, then gays are his children as well…deal with it


  80. brookly red
    80 | August 9, 2012 5:34 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    all men are created equal…or was your god bullshitting you? and you decide what’s bullshit?….I don’t think so…let people live the way they want to…so your intolerance is mortal, rather than divine?…is that a Christian belief

    actually the concept that all men are equal in the eyes of the law is not a religious concept although it is the creation of Christians…

    if god created man in his image, then gays are his children as well…deal with it

    oh yes indeed, I as a Christian believe God loves all equally. I have no opposition to civil unions in fact they would increase the tax base … my opposition is only to the term marriage. Biologically it can not be so.


  81. heysoos
    81 | August 9, 2012 5:38 pm

    @ brookly red:
    @ brookly red:
    words have meaning!….lol
    and I will fight to the death over the definition of ‘marriage’!….how about legal, social bonding?….too dangerous?….this whole subject is a dead end


  82. Guggi
    82 | August 9, 2012 5:39 pm

    There had never been a single culture in history which had endorsed same sex marriage even when -- like most cultures -- homosexuality was accepted. Not even the pederasts in Greece.


  83. yenta-fada
    83 | August 9, 2012 5:39 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Ditto on Heysoos and his debating skills. /lurk


  84. brookly red
    84 | August 9, 2012 5:40 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    @ brookly red:
    words have meaning!….lol
    and I will fight to the death over the definition of ‘marriage’!….how about legal, social bonding?….too dangerous?….this whole subject is a dead end

    I try to be nice to you Steve, I really do.


  85. NoThreat2U
    85 | August 9, 2012 5:41 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Which is why God said “Love the sinner, hate the sin”. By your thinking God is a child rapist, murderer, etc.


  86. yenta-fada
    86 | August 9, 2012 5:42 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    There had never been a single culture in history which had endorsed same sex marriage even when – like most cultures – homosexuality was accepted. Not even the pederasts in Greece.

    It’s not just the endorsement. It is forcing businesses and individuals to meet gay rights’ standards that is the problem. The political agenda of gay rights limits the rights of others. Intolerant.


  87. buzzsawmonkey
    87 | August 9, 2012 5:44 pm

    While you’ve accomplished nothing when you’ve bested a fool, I will point out to the ignoramus “heysoos” that:

    1) “All men are created equal” is a secular, not a religious statement. It appears in the Declaration of Independence, which does not have the force of law. It does not appear in the Constitution, which is a document intended to make that principle workable.

    2) The Constitution nowhere discriminates against the homosexually-inclined. Therefore, there is no civil right which the homosexually-inclined are denied. Therefore, there is no basis for any gay-rights movement.

    3) Marriage is not a civil right. Same-sex marriage, a concoction for which there is no historical precedent of any sort, has never been justified by the movement seeking it beyond “gimme.” That is not a basis for granting a legal privilege—and, even if it were, there exists no reason to grant such a privilege to a movement founded on the principle that marriage should be destroyed. Indeed, that foundation suggests that the entire agitation for same-sex marriage is merely a tactic towards achieving the original end.

    4) The gay-rights movement has already damaged the First Amendment, and further granting of its agenda will only increase that damage. The gay-activists’ attacks on those who disagree with their wish list are unconscionable; their attacks on private businesses who reserve the right to refuse them service is also unconscionable.

    5) Nobody has contested that God created man in his image. That has nothing to do with the issue. But if you are going to try and quote the Bible—I wouldn’t advise it, since atheist ignoramuses always make themselves look like asses when they try—then you cannot discard the proscriptions in that same book that forbid engaging in same-sex coupling.


  88. brookly red
    88 | August 9, 2012 5:44 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Guggi wrote:

    There had never been a single culture in history which had endorsed same sex marriage even when – like most cultures – homosexuality was accepted. Not even the pederasts in Greece.

    It’s not just the endorsement. It is forcing businesses and individuals to meet gay rights’ standards that is the problem. The political agenda of gay rights limits the rights of others. Intolerant.

    and schools… especially schools.


  89. yenta-fada
    89 | August 9, 2012 5:47 pm

    @ brookly red:

    OMG. The early teaching of the normalization and specific descriptions that the Toronto District School Board has in their leftist curriculum is profane and amounts to child abuse IMHO.


  90. yenta-fada
    90 | August 9, 2012 5:49 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Which is why God said “Love the sinner, hate the sin”. By your thinking God is a child rapist, murderer, etc.

    It’s YOU. It’s really you! Hello toots. :-)


  91. NoThreat2U
    91 | August 9, 2012 5:50 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Yes dear, ’tis I :)


  92. yenta-fada
    92 | August 9, 2012 5:52 pm

    It’s just a puff piece, but here you have Harry Belafonte telling black celebrities how they SHOULD act. More people telling you how to live.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2186100/Harry-Belafonte-says-Beyonc-Jay-Z-dont-minorities-Hollywood.html


  93. yenta-fada
    93 | August 9, 2012 5:52 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Yes dear, ’tis I

    How are you doing today?


  94. buzzsawmonkey
    94 | August 9, 2012 6:00 pm

    While we’re on the subject, you may perhaps have wondered, in an idle moment, why “transgenders” are included in the LGBTQWXYZ alphabet soup. After all, “transgenders,” who claim to be “born the wrong sex,” are the very negation of the whole concocted “gay and proud” political identity—for what could be less “gay and proud” than someone who will mutilate his own genitals to be able to engage in a same-sex union?

    The “transgenders”—and the political “gays”—will counter that these are not “gay people” but rather, truly persons who are “born the wrong sex.”

    This is not merely nonsense—it is the ultimate negation of fact. It is the declaration that someone’s “feelings”—which is to say, their mental and emotional delusions—are more powerful a determinant than physical configuration and DNA. If one really, really believes one’s self to be Napoleon, one is still not Napoleon—even if one wears a Napoleonic uniform, tucks one’s hand in the overcoat, and speaks French. Likewise, if one really, really believes one’s self to be a man when one is a woman, or a woman if one is a man, that does not make you one—no matter how you choose to mutilate yourself to appear to conform to your fantasy.

    The “transgender” delusion, and the mental-health professionals’ response to it, shows the impotence and uselessness of the mental-health profession. But “transgenders” are very, very useful to the gay-rights movement, even though they clearly stand as a reproachful negation of its tenets. First, because they provide an outer margin of weirdness which makes even some of the most over the top behavior in the “gay community” appear normal. Second, because they represent the ultimate negation of fact—and that is extremely important to a movement which is merely a political identity based upon 19th-century pseudoscience. Third, because “transgenders” are the stealth shock troops by which the gay-rights movement hopes to make same-sex marriage general; the “transgenders” demand recognition, using the endorsement of the most dubious wing of the medical profession. Once they get such recognition from the political establishment, mutilated women can marry women and mutilated men can marry men. It is a short step from that to the generalization of same-sex marriage.


  95. yenta-fada
    95 | August 9, 2012 6:03 pm

    By SAM HANANEL
    Associated Press

    (AP:WASHINGTON) Labor unions plan to send out more than 300,000 volunteers later this month to canvass voters to support President Barack Obama’s re-election.

    The effort begins on Aug. 25, when activists fan out across 27 states during a national “day of action.”

    AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka says a record 400,000 union-based volunteers will be knocking on doors and talking to voters in all 50 states later this year.

    For the first time, unions can use their funds to target non-union households as well as those with family members in a union. That change comes as a result of the Supreme Court’s landmark campaign finance decision in Citizens United.

    Roughly two-thirds of voters in union households backed Obama in 2008


  96. brookly red
    96 | August 9, 2012 6:05 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    OMG. The early teaching of the normalization and specific descriptions that the Toronto District School Board has in their leftist curriculum is profane and amounts to child abuse IMHO.

    and THAT is my issue. Gays are not a species, they can not reproduce biologically speaking, so to increase or even maintain their numbers they must recruit and damn them they start young.


  97. NoThreat2U
    97 | August 9, 2012 6:05 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Pretty well, thank you :) Waiting for the sausage and meatballs to get done so I can enjoy a sandwich during tonite’s preseason football game!


  98. brookly red
    98 | August 9, 2012 6:07 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    By SAM HANANEL
    Associated Press

    (AP:WASHINGTON) Labor unions plan to send out more than 300,000 volunteers later this month to canvass voters to support President Barack Obama’s re-election.

    The effort begins on Aug. 25, when activists fan out across 27 states during a national “day of action.”

    AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka says a record 400,000 union-based volunteers will be knocking on doors and talking to voters in all 50 states later this year.

    For the first time, unions can use their funds to target non-union households as well as those with family members in a union. That change comes as a result of the Supreme Court’s landmark campaign finance decision in Citizens United.

    Roughly two-thirds of voters in union households backed Obama in 2008

    not to worry they are union workers they will cost much and produce little


  99. Speranza
    99 | August 9, 2012 6:08 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    not to worry they are union workers they will cost much and produce little

    Ain’t that the truth!


  100. Speranza
    100 | August 9, 2012 6:09 pm

    I don’t mind people being against the gay political agenda but I do not care for any sort of gay bashing.


  101. brookly red
    101 | August 9, 2012 6:10 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Pretty well, thank you Waiting for the sausage and meatballs to get done so I can enjoy a sandwich during tonite’s preseason football game!

    sausage & meat balls on one sandwich… for preseason? I don’t even want to think about your playoff spread.


  102. NoThreat2U
    102 | August 9, 2012 6:12 pm

    @ brookly red:
    It’s either/or. I will be going with the sausage sammich. YUM. I will pay for it later but oh well. lol


  103. buzzsawmonkey
    103 | August 9, 2012 6:13 pm

    @ brookly red:
    @ Speranza:

    It appears that the “token booth clerks” in the NYC subway system are operating under a directive to not accept Metrocards and cash to add value to a card. Try and get a clerk to do this, and they will point you, with a very bad grace, to the machines which will also do this, with the excuse that they are otherwise busy.

    “Otherwise busy?” Excuse me? Their entire function is to accept money and dispense cards—and they do it slowly, badly, and nastily. If they will no longer do that, then there is no reason whatever for them to be employed.

    Some may say that loss of the “token” clerks will leave the subways more dangerous, because there will be no human being down there in the event of robbery, mugging, etc. True, sort of—the mere presence of another human might conceivably have an inhibiting effect on predators. But the clerks’ attention is almost impossible to get even when you’re standing in front of them trying to give them money; to think that they will actually do anything to succour another human being is a delusion.

    Fire the token clerks and destroy the Transit Authority, and its unions.


  104. NoThreat2U
    104 | August 9, 2012 6:13 pm

    Probably BBL :)


  105. brookly red
    105 | August 9, 2012 6:15 pm

    NoThreat2U wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    It’s either/or. I will be going with the sausage sammich. YUM. I will pay for it later but oh well. lol

    \sausage, peepers, onions a lil mozzarella, some sauce… Everyone pays for that later.


  106. brookly red
    106 | August 9, 2012 6:17 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    @ Speranza:

    It appears that the “token booth clerks” in the NYC subway system are operating under a directive to not accept Metrocards and cash to add value to a card. Try and get a clerk to do this, and they will point you, with a very bad grace, to the machines which will also do this, with the excuse that they are otherwise busy.

    “Otherwise busy?” Excuse me? Their entire function is to accept money and dispense cards—and they do it slowly, badly, and nastily. If they will no longer do that, then there is no reason whatever for them to be employed.

    Some may say that loss of the “token” clerks will leave the subways more dangerous, because there will be no human being down there in the event of robbery, mugging, etc. True, sort of—the mere presence of another human might conceivably have an inhibiting effect on predators. But the clerks’ attention is almost impossible to get even when you’re standing in front of them trying to give them money; to think that they will actually do anything to succour another human being is a delusion.

    Fire the token clerks and destroy the Transit Authority, and its unions.

    Bennetio! come ho desiderato per il vostro ritorno


  107. brookly red
    107 | August 9, 2012 6:21 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    for Pete’s sake these people need to pass an exam and then be trained to be worthless


  108. brookly red
    108 | August 9, 2012 6:25 pm

    did you read in the Post the other day when 23 MTA worker were stuck for over 20 minutes when the escalator broke down?


  109. The Osprey
    109 | August 9, 2012 6:30 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Are these clerks Vogons?


  110. buzzsawmonkey
    110 | August 9, 2012 6:30 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    did you read in the Post the other day when 23 MTA worker were stuck for over 20 minutes when the escalator broke down?

    I’m not sure whether you’re kidding or not, but I can believe it.


  111. yenta-fada
    111 | August 9, 2012 6:37 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Are these clerks Vogons?

    ‘Grunthos the Flatulent’. I feel a Chuckie moment coming on.


  112. yenta-fada
    112 | August 9, 2012 6:39 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    did you read in the Post the other day when 23 MTA worker were stuck for over 20 minutes when the escalator broke down?

    Remember the bad old days when we could make ethnic jokes like that?
    Here we called them ‘Newfie’ jokes.


  113. yenta-fada
    113 | August 9, 2012 6:42 pm

    @ brookly red:

    You mean Mussolini? :-)


  114. Speranza
    114 | August 9, 2012 6:51 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    The laziest people I ever met worked for the New York City Transit Authority.


  115. buzzsawmonkey
    115 | August 9, 2012 7:02 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The laziest people I ever met worked for the New York City Transit Authority.

    You mean “were employed by.”


  116. Speranza
    116 | August 9, 2012 7:25 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    The laziest people I ever met worked for the New York City Transit Authority.

    You mean “were employed by.”

    :) Yeah


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