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Mitt Romney is the Republican party’s present, but Paul Ryan is its future

by Speranza ( 84 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Elections 2012, Mitt Romney, Politics, Republican Party at August 17th, 2012 - 2:00 pm

Actually I would say that Mitt Romney also represents the past – the Rockefeller/Nixon/Bush accommodationist establishment wing .  Ryan gives us a chance to truly being a national (not just  a regional) party that ideologically is not the mush that the previous Republican nominees since Ronald Reagan have stood for.

by Charles Krauthammer

Vice presidential picks are always judged by their effect on the coming election. They rarely have any.

This time could be different. The Democrats’ Mediscare barrage is already in full swing. Paul Ryan, it seems, is determined to dispossess Grandma, then toss her over a cliff. If the charge is not successfully countered, goodbye Florida.

Republicans have a twofold answer. First, hammer home that their plan affects no one over 55, let alone 65. Second, go on offense. Point out that President Barack Obama cuts Medicare by $700 billion to finance Obamacare.

It’s a sweet judo throw: Want to bring up Medicare, supposedly our weakness? Fine. But now you’ve got to debate Obamacare, your weakness – and explain why you are robbing Granny’s health care to pay for your pet project.

If Romney/Ryan can successfully counterattack Mediscare, the Ryan effect becomes a major plus. Because:

• Ryan nationalizes the election and makes it ideological, reprising the 2010 dynamic that delivered a shellacking to the Democrats.

• If the conversation is about big issues, Obama cannot hide from his dismal economic record and complete failure of vision. In Obama’s own on-camera commercial – “the choice … couldn’t be bigger” – what’s his big idea? A 4.6-point increase in the marginal tax rate of 2 percent of the population.

That’s it? That’s his program? For a country with stagnant growth, ruinous debt and structural problems crying out for major entitlement and tax reform? Obama’s “plan” would cut the deficit from $1.20 trillion to $1.12 trillion. It’s a joke.

[.......]

While Ryan’s effect on 2012 is as yet undetermined – it depends on the success or failure of Mediscare – there is less doubt about the meaning of Ryan’s selection for beyond 2012. He could well become the face of Republicanism for a generation.

There’s a history here. By choosing George H.W. Bush in 1980, Ronald Reagan gave birth to a father-son dynasty that dominated the presidential scene for three decades. The Bush name was on six of seven consecutive national tickets.

When Dwight Eisenhower picked Richard Nixon in 1952, he turned a relatively obscure senator into a dominant national figure for a quarter-century, appearing on the presidential ticket in five of six consecutive elections.

Even losing VP candidates can ascend to party leader and presumptive presidential nominee. Ed Muskie so emerged in 1968, until he melted down in New Hampshire in 1972. Walter Mondale so emerged in 1980 and won the presidential nomination four years later. (The general election was another story.)

Winning is even better. Forty percent of 20th-century presidents were former VPs: Theodore Roosevelt, Coolidge, Truman, Johnson, Nixon, Ford and Bush (41).

Before Aug. 11, Ryan already was the party’s intellectual leader and de facto parliamentary leader – youngest-ever House Budget Committee chairman whose fiscal blueprint has driven congressional debate for two years. Now, however, he is second only to Romney as the party’s undisputed political leader.

[.......]

Ryan’s importance is enhanced by his identity as a movement conservative. Reagan was the first movement leader in modern times to achieve the presidency. Like him, Ryan represents a new kind of conservatism for his time.

Reagan rejected the moderate accommodationism represented by Gerald Ford, the sitting president Reagan nearly overthrew in 1976. Ryan represents a new constitutional conservatism of limited government and individual opportunity that carried Republicans to victory in 2010, not just as a rejection of Obama’s big-government hyper-liberalism but also as a significant departure from the philosophically undisciplined, idiosyncratically free-spending “compassionate conservatism” of Obama’s Republican predecessor.

[........]

If Ryan does it well, win or lose in 2012, he becomes a dominant national force. Mild and moderate Mitt Romney will have shaped the conservative future for years to come.

The cunning of history. Or if you prefer, sheer capriciousness.

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84 Responses to “Mitt Romney is the Republican party’s present, but Paul Ryan is its future”
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  1. 1 | August 17, 2012 2:15 pm

    I think Romney has turned his back on the Rockefeller Wing and has joined the Economic Conservative wing.


  2. 2 | August 17, 2012 2:16 pm

    This is too funny!

    Executives Say Obama Better for World Economy: Poll


  3. pat
    3 | August 17, 2012 2:18 pm

    One would think that Obama and Biden would be dreading the debates. But that is not how these egomaniacs think at all. Their hubris assumes that the liberal, Obama worshiping ‘moderators’ will be sympatico and explain their elevated positions to the riffraff.


  4. 4 | August 17, 2012 2:19 pm

    Dr. K makes an excellent set of points there…


  5. pat
    5 | August 17, 2012 2:21 pm

    The most openly racist ad ever.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/08/the_gold_standard_of_racism.html


  6. 6 | August 17, 2012 2:27 pm

    We are seeing the birth of the Gen X version of the GOP. No more culture wars, just business and economic solutions.


  7. Speranza
    7 | August 17, 2012 2:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I think Romney has turned his back on the Rockefeller Wing and has joined the Economic Conservative wing.

    I sure as hell hope so.


  8. Speranza
    8 | August 17, 2012 2:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    This is too funny!
    Executives Say Obama Better for World Economy: Poll

    Yeah if you want America to share in the world’s misery.


  9. Speranza
    9 | August 17, 2012 2:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    We are seeing the birth of the Gen X version of the GOP. No more culture wars, just business and economic solutions.

    This is not your father’s GOP. Welcome to the world of the Republican Party Animals.

    When people learn your political persuasion, do they respond in shock, “wait a minute – YOU’RE a Republican?”

    Do you like your conservative politics mixed with a healthy dose of whiskey, fine cigars, and kick-ass rock n’ roll?

    Do you live in a city filled with morons wearing Che t-shirts as they mindlessly cling to tattered, faded 2008 “Hope and Change” posters?

    Then WELCOME, friend – this is the group for you! Unapologetically conservative, unashamedly lovin’ the nightlife!

    In the words of Lieutenant Colonel Allen West, “We need to show people that it’s fun to be a conservative. We work hard, and we play hard.”

    So join us – and let’s make the road to victory in 2012 a road trip to remember!


  10. 10 | August 17, 2012 2:30 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yes, that’s what is at work!


  11. 11 | August 17, 2012 2:32 pm

    @ Speranza:

    When I was at a GOP meetup this past Tuesday it was at the bar I am a regular at. The waitress recognized me and was shocked I am a Republican! I was like, Republicans like to have fun too.

    Gen X Conservatives aren’t scolds or believe in culture wars. We just want to make money.


  12. Speranza
    12 | August 17, 2012 2:34 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I am not interested in hanging around a bunch of squares and scolds looking to recreate the Ozzie and Harriet world. Party hearty Dudes! -- there are some really good looking Republican/conservative chicks out there.


  13. Speranza
    13 | August 17, 2012 2:40 pm

    Biden acts as if he needs to be medicated.


  14. 14 | August 17, 2012 2:40 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Notice the media is silent on rising Gas prices? Oil is now up to 96 a barrel!


  15. Speranza
    15 | August 17, 2012 2:40 pm

    I’ll bet that Michelle Obama cannot stand the sight or sound of Clueless Joe.


  16. 16 | August 17, 2012 2:40 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Biden acts as if he needs to be medicated.

    He’s had a Charles Johnson style nervous breakdown!


  17. 17 | August 17, 2012 2:41 pm

    If we surrender our core values in the name of becoming a “national “party, we will lose. And we’ll deserve to lose. Some things you cannot accommodate. We already have one party without principles. What makes you think becoming their mirror will win votes?


  18. waldensianspirit
    18 | August 17, 2012 2:42 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Biden acts as if he needs to be medicated.

    He’s had a Charles Johnson style nervous breakdown!

    I’ve been expecting Biden to develop “health problems”


  19. Alberta Oil Peon
    20 | August 17, 2012 3:04 pm

    @ Rodan:
    When Romney gets elected, he should have a sit-down with Vladimir Putin:
    “Look Vlad, old buddy, here’s the deal. You march into Iran, and eastern Iraq, take the place over, and run like an old-time foreign colony. We’ll march into western Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula, and do the same thing. You want to spindle, fold, and mutilate the islamists and communists in Iran, go right ahead, and we will veto any resolutions against you in the Security Council, and you can do the same for us, for any repression we have to undertake. You take your oil, and use it or sell it, and we will take our oil and use it or sell it. Why should you and I let a bunch of goat-rapers and camel-humpers wax fat on our oil?”


  20. pat
    21 | August 17, 2012 3:05 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Bus wheels are bad for the health, it is said.


  21. waldensianspirit
    22 | August 17, 2012 3:06 pm

    pat wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Bus wheels are bad for the health, it is said.

    Especially surprising are ones bought in October


  22. 23 | August 17, 2012 3:07 pm

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:

    That sounds like a good plan. One thing I can say, Putin knows he will not be able to roll over Mitt Romney!


  23. 24 | August 17, 2012 3:08 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    If we surrender our core values in the name of becoming a “national “party, we will lose. And we’ll deserve to lose. Some things you cannot accommodate. We already have one party without principles. What makes you think becoming their mirror will win votes?

    Beware of Moderates!


  24. RIX
    25 | August 17, 2012 3:10 pm

    This is being reported on FNS & is kind of funny.
    The story goes that young law intern Barack had his first
    date with his mentor Michelle at a Baskin Robbins.
    (Michelle in a power position having a laison wth a
    subordinate? Sounds like sexual harassment)
    The ice cream shop has a commoration plaque where the two
    shared their first kiss.
    Baskin Robbins is owned by Duncan Donuts which almost
    went bankrupt some years back, but they got saved by
    BAINE CAPTAL!
    Will Barack write Romney a thank you note?/


  25. 26 | August 17, 2012 3:11 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Hillary said no according to reports.


  26. 27 | August 17, 2012 3:12 pm

    @ RIX:

    I wonder if Hawaii will have a plaque commemorating where Obama was conceived!


  27. 28 | August 17, 2012 3:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    Biden acts as if he needs to be medicated.

    He’s had a Charles Johnson style nervous breakdown!

    Quick! Someone feed him some Cheetos and Mountain Dew!


  28. waldensianspirit
    29 | August 17, 2012 3:16 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Hillary said no according to reports.

    Oba’ might be approaching “Anybody but Biden”


  29. waldensianspirit
    30 | August 17, 2012 3:17 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Quick! Someone feed him some Cheetos and Mountain Dew!

    While Mooch isn’t watching. Stuff has amazing healing powers


  30. brookly red
    31 | August 17, 2012 3:17 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I wonder if Hawaii will have a plaque commemorating where Obama was conceived!

    / I don’t think the satanic temple will let them do that on their property…


  31. Speranza
    32 | August 17, 2012 3:18 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Quick! Someone feed him some Cheetos and Mountain Dew!

    Has the Fat Bastard had his blood-sugar level checked lately?


  32. lobo91
    33 | August 17, 2012 3:18 pm

    Okay…I need a break.

    I just cleaned up my front yard so the place won’t look like a crack house when my students show up in the morning.

    Now I’m about to collapse…


  33. waldensianspirit
    34 | August 17, 2012 3:20 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I know the feeling :mrgreen:

    Just don’t have time


  34. lobo91
    35 | August 17, 2012 3:22 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    The back yard looks even worse, but I don’t have the energy to clean it.

    It’ll have to wait


  35. Speranza
    36 | August 17, 2012 3:22 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    If we surrender our core values in the name of becoming a “national “party, we will lose. And we’ll deserve to lose. Some things you cannot accommodate. We already have one party without principles. What makes you think becoming their mirror will win votes?

    What are our “core values”?
    As Alan West has said, we work hard and party hard (and play to win) and we are not a bunch of scolds. We stand for freedom and self sufficiency.

    Some things you cannot accommodate. -- can you be more specific?


  36. waldensianspirit
    37 | August 17, 2012 3:23 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Mine two little Bambi’s sleep under the willow tree at night not far from my bedroom. They feel that secure with my backyard :lol:


  37. lobo91
    38 | August 17, 2012 3:24 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    I wish I had some deer to eat the weeds in my back yard…


  38. Speranza
    39 | August 17, 2012 3:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Notice the media is silent on rising Gas prices? Oil is now up to 96 a barrel!

    As if they will report anything unfavorable to Obama.


  39. Speranza
    40 | August 17, 2012 3:28 pm

    Even the worst Republican (exception being Ron Paul) is far, far superior to Barack Obama.


  40. brookly red
    41 | August 17, 2012 3:31 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    As if they will report anything unfavorable to Obama.

    I think that bit of news is kinda hard to hide from consumers…


  41. coldwarrior
    42 | August 17, 2012 3:33 pm

    *emerges from bunker*

    *rubs eyes*

    *recoils from the sun*

    so i see hillary told obamma to eff off.


  42. 43 | August 17, 2012 3:40 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Almost always, when Northeasterners talk about becoming a “national party “,they are talking about surrender on two things: abortion and gun control. Do that and you won’t win Liberals votes, but you’ll lose the base.


  43. 44 | August 17, 2012 3:40 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Get a brew and chill!


  44. 45 | August 17, 2012 3:41 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yes, that’s the reports circulating.


  45. pat
    46 | August 17, 2012 3:47 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Think about it. The Chief Pompous Ass puts out feelers to Hillary rather than just calling her in for a chat. Are you all aware that Hillary must call Obama Mr President or sir even in private meetings?
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/obamas_strange_dependence_on_valerie_jarrett.html


  46. Speranza
    47 | August 17, 2012 3:49 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Almost always, when Northeasterners talk about becoming a “national party “,they are talking about surrender on two things: abortion and gun control. Do that and you won’t win Liberals votes, but you’ll lose the base.

    Not all Republicans (such as myself) want to criminalize abortions and no one is taking your guns away. I am sick of the abortion litmus test. Abortion (under certain circumstances) has been legal since 1973 and will never be outlawed.


  47. 48 | August 17, 2012 3:50 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    By emphasizing Economic/fiscal issues that’s how you appeal nationally.


  48. Speranza
    49 | August 17, 2012 3:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    By emphasizing Economic/fiscal issues that’s how you appeal nationally.

    Amen -- be just a regional party and get your freaking ass kicked over and over and over again. Democrats run national campaigns while Republicans write off huge sections of the country before the first shot is fired.


  49. RIX
    50 | August 17, 2012 3:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I wonder if Hawaii will have a plaque commemorating where Obama was conceived!

    Wasn’t that Bethlehem?/


  50. 51 | August 17, 2012 3:53 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I don’t know why its bad running on Economic/Fiscal issues.


  51. Speranza
    52 | August 17, 2012 3:56 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I don’t know why its bad running on Economic/Fiscal issues.

    Reagan kicked ass running as an optimistic, economics/low taxes/low unemployment/American exceptionailsm/national defense candidate.


  52. brookly red
    53 | August 17, 2012 3:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    I don’t know why its bad running on Economic/Fiscal issues.

    it’s not… are you better off than your were 4 years ago?


  53. RIX
    54 | August 17, 2012 3:58 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Even the worst Republican (exception being Ron Paul) is far, far superior to Barack Obama.

    Obama against Satan, the Prince of Darkness would
    be a tough call.
    It would come down to the VP pick.


  54. 55 | August 17, 2012 3:59 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Reagan was also very much against abortion. He was weaker on gun control, but that was before Heller and McDonald.


  55. 56 | August 17, 2012 4:00 pm

    @ Speranza:

    It seems Romney/Ryan are running on that. I feel in a time warp. The GOP of my childhood is back. The Bush Error is over I hope.


  56. 57 | August 17, 2012 4:01 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    But Reagan ran mostly on economics and national security. That’s appealing nationally. No one is talking about Republicans becoming Pro-abortion or anti-Gun. Just that they should emphasize what wins.


  57. grambo
    58 | August 17, 2012 4:05 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I don’t know why its bad running on Economic/Fiscal issues.

    Seems to me the middle ground is who pays for it. I don’t think abortion should be a crime, but I SURE don’t think my taxes should pay for it (of course, that goes for a lot of things too).


  58. lobo91
    59 | August 17, 2012 4:08 pm

    @ grambo:

    The pro-abortion crowd always likes to frame it as a “health care” issue.

    Fine. If it’s a medical procedure, it should be regulated by the states.


  59. The Osprey
    60 | August 17, 2012 4:09 pm

    grambo wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    I don’t know why its bad running on Economic/Fiscal issues.

    Seems to me the middle ground is who pays for it. I don’t think abortion should be a crime, but I SURE don’t think my taxes should pay for it (of course, that goes for a lot of things too).

    I’m comfortable with that. Problem is the libs see any restriction on abortion as a slippery slope to an outright ban. Devout Christians see allowing abortion as an abomination that invites God’s wrath upon our country.


  60. lobo91
    61 | August 17, 2012 4:26 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Abortion (under certain circumstances) has been legal since 1973 and will never be outlawed.

    I’m pretty sure that there were people who said the same thing about slavery at one time, too.


  61. 62 | August 17, 2012 4:28 pm

    grambo wrote:

    I don’t think abortion should be a crime,

    I don’t think killing Marxist’s, Socialist’s, Progressives or Democrat’s should be a crime either. But there are those pesky assholes who actually think that before any individual is executed that some archaic principal called due process should be rendered.


  62. lobo91
    63 | August 17, 2012 4:30 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    grambo wrote:

    I don’t think abortion should be a crime,

    I don’t think killing Marxist’s, Socialist’s, Progressives or Democrat’s should be a crime either. But there are those pesky assholes who actually think that before any individual is executed that some archaic principal called due process should be rendered.

    What’s really interesting is how many abortion supporters oppose capital punishment.


  63. 64 | August 17, 2012 4:32 pm

    @ grambo:

    That’s my position. Government shoud not pay for it.


  64. 65 | August 17, 2012 4:33 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:

    grambo wrote:
    I don’t think abortion should be a crime,
    I don’t think killing Marxist’s, Socialist’s, Progressives or Democrat’s should be a crime either. But there are those pesky assholes who actually think that before any individual is executed that some archaic principal called due process should be rendered.

    What’s really interesting is how many abortion supporters oppose capital punishment.

    Funny thing about capital punishment, is that my support of capital punishment is about the same as my support of abortion. Which is to say, only under the condition that irrefutable proof or a confession are involved. Likewise abortion, only when the life of the mother is put at risk by the pregnancy.


  65. Bob in Breckenridge
    66 | August 17, 2012 4:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:
    That sounds like a good plan. One thing I can say, Putin knows he will not be able to roll over Mitt Romney!

    Rodan- I will transMitt that to Vladimir.


  66. 67 | August 17, 2012 4:36 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    You just want to help the hemp industry.


  67. 68 | August 17, 2012 4:39 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    Miti could as Putin about Russia’s Flat tax system.


  68. 69 | August 17, 2012 4:39 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    You just want to help the hemp industry.

    Guilty as charged… :twisted:


  69. waldensianspirit
    70 | August 17, 2012 4:41 pm

    50 million x 1 lb/2000 lbs = 25,000 tons … … … … …


  70. Bob in Breckenridge
    71 | August 17, 2012 4:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    I wish I had some deer to eat the weeds in my back yard…

    Buy a goat.


  71. Bob in Breckenridge
    72 | August 17, 2012 4:51 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    *emerges from bunker*
    *rubs eyes*
    *recoils from the sun*
    so i see hillary told obamma to eff off.

    CW- You can bet the ranch that the Clintons are doing their own polling, and they realize that Obama is most likely toast, so there’s no way Hillary would want to be on a losing ticket heading into 2016, her last shot at being President, due to her age (she’ll be 68 in 2016).

    Bill and Hill are setting themselves up for 2016, and will attempt to campaign as more moderate dumocrats, while blaming Onama’s hardcore leftism and unwillingness to move even a little to the center as the reason he lost in 2012.


  72. lobo91
    73 | August 17, 2012 4:55 pm

    @ Bob in Breckenridge:

    Bill and Hill are setting themselves up for 2016, and will attempt to campaign as more moderate dumocrats, while blaming Onama’s hardcore leftism and unwillingness to move even a little to the center as the reason he lost in 2012.

    Seems plausible.


  73. 74 | August 17, 2012 5:00 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Even the worst Republican (exception being Ron Paul) is far, far superior to Barack Obama.


  74. 75 | August 17, 2012 5:03 pm

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    CW- You can bet the ranch that the Clintons are doing their own polling, and they realize that Obama is most likely toast, so there’s no way Hillary would want to be on a losing ticket heading into 2016, her last shot at being President, due to her age (she’ll be 68 in 2016).

    Bill and Hill are setting themselves up for 2016…

    At that age, wouldn’t Bill owe her one? 8)


  75. lobo91
    76 | August 17, 2012 5:04 pm

    “Do you really think Obama wants the Clintons on the ticket? They might as well adopt the Menendez brothers.”

    --Andrea Tantaros


  76. Bob in Breckenridge
    77 | August 17, 2012 5:09 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    “Do you really think Obama wants the Clintons on the ticket? They might as well adopt the Menendez brothers.”
    –Andrea Tantaros

    One. But just one. :)


  77. Bob in Breckenridge
    78 | August 17, 2012 5:12 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:
    CW- You can bet the ranch that the Clintons are doing their own polling, and they realize that Obama is most likely toast, so there’s no way Hillary would want to be on a losing ticket heading into 2016, her last shot at being President, due to her age (she’ll be 68 in 2016).
    Bill and Hill are setting themselves up for 2016…
    At that age, wouldn’t Bill owe her one?

    Crap, I clicked on the wrong post…

    One. But just one. :)


  78. EBL
  79. 80 | August 17, 2012 5:54 pm

    @ EBL:

    Damn! Hasn’t she gotten laid yet? 8)


  80. NoThreat2U
    81 | August 17, 2012 5:56 pm

    Where are all the wimmenfolk today? I want to talk about the hot VP Raul Ryan.


  81. Speranza
    82 | August 17, 2012 8:32 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Abortion (under certain circumstances) has been legal since 1973 and will never be outlawed.

    I’m pretty sure that there were people who said the same thing about slavery at one time, too.

    Bad analogy.


  82. Speranza
    83 | August 17, 2012 8:33 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Reagan was also very much against abortion. He was weaker on gun control, but that was before Heller and McDonald.

    He signed a very liberal abortion bill into law as governor of California.


  83. 84 | August 18, 2012 11:20 am

    Rodan wrote:

    I think Romney has turned his back on the Rockefeller Wing and has joined the Economic Conservative wing.

    I sure hope so!

    Bob in Breckenridge wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    *emerges from bunker*
    *rubs eyes*
    *recoils from the sun*
    so i see hillary told obamma to eff off.

    CW- You can bet the ranch that the Clintons are doing their own polling, and they realize that Obama is most likely toast, so there’s no way Hillary would want to be on a losing ticket heading into 2016, her last shot at being President, due to her age (she’ll be 68 in 2016).
    Bill and Hill are setting themselves up for 2016, and will attempt to campaign as more moderate dumocrats, while blaming Onama’s hardcore leftism and unwillingness to move even a little to the center as the reason he lost in 2012.

    I don’t think she can win. Huma Abedin, among other things.


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