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Saturday Lecture Series: Trauma Part 1

by coldwarrior ( 43 Comments › )
Filed under Academia, Health Care, Medicine, Open thread, saturday lecture series, Science at August 18th, 2012 - 8:30 am

Good morning everyone, today we are going to do Grand Rounds on the Trauma Unit. Trauma may be located in the Emergency Department but it is a far different animal all together. In order for the staff to determine where the patient belongs, they must complete triage with an initial assessment.  The initial assessment is detailed below and will end part 1 of this multi-part series about the Trauma Unit.

 

From my Medscape account:

 

Overview

Trauma has been dubbed the forgotten epidemic and the neglected disease of modern society. Trauma annually impacts hundreds of thousands of individuals and costs billions of dollars in direct expenditures and indirect losses. Trauma care has improved over the past 20 years, largely from improvements in trauma systems, assessment, triage, resuscitation, and emergency care.

However, an Institute of Medicine report identified a US crisis in access and distribution to emergency care that may impact trauma system efficiency and effectiveness. Similarly, a predicted deficit in critical care practitioners may similarly degrade the post-emergency department care of the critically injured patient. The American College of Surgeons Committee on Trauma (ACS-COT) and the American Association for the Surgery of Trauma (AAST) acute care surgery initiative is designed to integrate trauma, emergency general surgery, and surgical critical care and to bolster new trainee interest in this field. Its sensitivity for identifying major trauma patients is lower and specificity higher than previously described, particularly among elders.[1]

Work must still be done to continuously improve trauma care nationally, regionally, and institutionally, and the ACS-COT applies rigorous standards to performance improvement prior to verifying US trauma centers. For this improvement to occur, the ongoing application of the unique principles and practice of intensive care medicine is necessary.

Trauma Systems

Patient outcomes after major trauma have improved in regions where comprehensive trauma systems have evolved. Crucial components of such a system should include a coordinated approach to both prehospital care and hospital care and to training providers in both areas. Paramedics and medical staff should be provided with a clear and objective framework for assessing patients, establishing and engaging treatment protocols, following triage guidelines, engaging in transportation and communication protocols, and implementing ongoing performance improvement programs. It is essential to recognize that care of the significantly injured patient is critical care in that critical care is a concept, not a location.

Triage

The most seriously injured patients must be identified in the field and safely transported to a designated trauma center where appropriate care is immediately available. This is the principle of triage and is subject to both under-triage and over-triage. Clearly, from a patient-centered view, over-triage is preferable, but, from a system perspective, over-triage may be problematic in an overcrowded and oversubscribed emergency department.

Trauma scoring

Trauma scoring systems describe injury severity and correlate with survival probability. Various systems facilitate the prediction of patient outcomes and the evaluation of aspects of care. The scoring systems vary widely, with some relying on physiologic scores (eg, Glasgow Coma Scale [GCS] score, Revised Trauma Score), and others relying on descriptors of anatomic injury (eg, Abbreviated Injury Score, Injury Severity Score). No universally accepted scoring system has been developed, and each system contains unique limitations. This limitation has resulted in the use of a number of such systems in different centers around the world.

Initial Assessment

Assessment Principles

Principles involved in the initial assessment of a patient with major trauma are those outlined by the American College of Surgeons (ACS) in their Advanced Trauma Life Support (ATLS) guidelines or those of the Australasian College of Surgeons in the Early Management of Severe Trauma guidelines. The principles involved consist of (1) preparation and transport; (2) primary survey and resuscitation, including monitoring, urinary and nasogastric tube insertion, and radiography; (3) secondary survey, including special investigations, such as CT scanning or angiography; (4) ongoing reevaluation; and (5) definitive care.

Preparation and Communication

Trauma-receiving hospitals should receive advance communication from emergency medical services care providers about the impending arrival of seriously injured patients. The patient’s mechanism of injury, vital signs, field interventions, and overall status should be communicated. This allows for the in-house trauma team to be called and for the emergency department staff to make appropriate preparations.

The trauma team members vary based on world geography but incorporate many similar elements, including representation from emergency medicine, trauma, critical care, with or without anesthesia, nursing, respiratory therapy, blood bank, radiology, social services, and registration. A team leader is identified, and it is the team leader’s responsibility to ensure that the resuscitation proceeds in an organized and efficient manner through the diagnostic and therapeutic protocols. Additional consultants may be engaged in response to specific injuries. In addition to this team, many trauma centers also have a trauma care coordinator (usually a nurse), who follows the patient through his or her hospital course.

On the patient’s arrival, a concise transfer of the patient from the paramedics should occur. One person should be talking, while everyone else is listening; this is crucial information for the whole team. In many trauma centers, the team leader is a senior or chief resident in surgery or emergency medicine, with close supervision from appropriate attending staff. Increasingly, mid-level practitioners (eg, physician associates, nurse practitioners) may serve in this role as well.

Most trauma centers use a system of prehospital triage that characterizes patients into those with physiologic derangements and those who have a suggestive mechanism of injury. Those patients with obvious derangements should prompt a full team response, while patients with less injury may be cared for by a modified team complement.

Primary Survey

The primary survey aims to identify and treat immediately life-threatening injuries relying on the ABCDE system. This system comprises airway control with stabilization of the cervical spine, breathing (work and efficacy), circulation including the control of external hemorrhage, disability or neurologic status, and exposure or undressing of the patient while also protecting the patient from hypothermia. These elements are explored below.

Airway with control of the cervical spine

Airway assessment should proceed while maintaining the cervical spine in a neutral position. The latter is achieved by using a rigid cervical immobilization collar. Airway clearance maneuvers are extensively described elsewhere and are not reviewed in this article.

When the airway is in jeopardy, or when the GCS score is less than 8, an artificial airway is essential. Airway control is commonly achieved by means of rapid-sequence orotracheal intubation (OETT) performed with in-line stabilization of the cervical spine. Correct placement of the endotracheal tube is confirmed (1) by the aid of an end-tidal carbon dioxide monitoring device, (2) by observation of the tube passing through the vocal cords, and (3) by auscultation of the chest.

Several well-defined options for achieving airway control must be established in the event that OETT placement is not able to be achieved. These options include laryngeal mask airway (LMA), intubating LMA, fiberoptic intubation, percutaneous cricothyroidotomy, and surgical cricothyroidotomy (tracheostomy in children). Tracheal inspection is essential to determine if there is peritracheal crepitus or deviation from the midline indicating potential direct airway injury or intrathoracic pulmonary or major vascular injury.

Breathing

One must next assess the adequacy of gas exchange. This is most readily accomplished by visual inspection of thoracic cage movement, palpation of the thoracic cage movement, and auscultation of gas entry. One is assessing for inequalities from one side to the other, crepitus, and local movement asymmetry as in paradoxic thoracic cage movement in flail chest. One is also evaluating for signs of impending respiratory failure, such as uncoordinated thoracic cage and abdominal wall movement, accessory muscle use, and stridor.

Inadequate ventilation may result in hypoxemia, hypercarbia, cyanosis, depressed level of consciousness, bradycardia, tachycardia, hypertension, or hypotension. As a general rule, until stability has been assured, administer high-flow oxygen by mask to all patients to abrogate the potential for hypoxemia.

Classic signs of a tension pneumothorax, hemothorax, or combined hemopneumothorax include tracheal deviation, jugular vein distension, hypoxia, tachycardia, and hypotension. Intrathoracic tension physiology is a clinical diagnosis and requires immediate decompression. This is initially commonly accomplished with a 14-gauge catheter-over-needle assembly placed in the second intercostal space (ICS) midclavicular line (MCL). Patients treated in this way should have a tube thoracostomy placed to manage simple pneumothorax and to evacuate thoracic cavity blood when present. Life-threatening hemorrhage identified when placing a tube thoracostomy may be managed with a resuscitative thoracostomy.

Circulation and hemorrhage control

Emergent treatment of patients with exsanguinating hemorrhage or shock can be life-saving. This assessment includes identifying and managing rapid external hemorrhage. This can often be achieved with a simple pressure dressing, but surgical intervention may be required. As more experience is gained with procoagulant dressings (used principally by the military), external hemorrhage control may gain pharmacologic support embedded in dressings.

Shock in trauma patients, defined as inadequate organ perfusion and tissue oxygenation, is most commonly caused by hemorrhage leading to hypovolemia, but many other causes are readily identified, including cardiac tamponade, tension pneumothorax or hemothorax, and spinal cord injury. Signs of shock include tachypnea, tachycardia, decreased pulse pressure, hypotension, pallor, delayed capillary refill, oliguria, and a depressed level of consciousness. In patients with hypovolemia, the neck veins may be flat. A normal mental status generally implies an adequate cerebral perfusion pressure, while diminished mentation may be associated with shock with or without intracranial trauma.

ATLS readily identifies 4 different classes of shock. Class I and II shock generally does not need red cell mass restoration and is well managed with asanguineous fluids for plasma volume expansion. Hypotension and disordered mentation generally indicate at least class III shock and should prompt plasma volume expansion and red cell mass repletion if the hypotension fails to resolve after an initial 2000-cc crystalloid bolus, according to ATLS.

A systematic approach for detecting the source of hypovolemic shock should consider 5 sources of ongoing hemorrhage, as follows: (1) external (eg, from the scalp, skin, or nose), (2) pleural cavities, (3) peritoneal cavity, (4) pelvis/retroperitoneum, and (5) long-bone fracture. Fracture alignment and stabilization is essential in limiting blood loss. Pelvic fractures may be initially stabilized with a pelvic binder or a wrapped sheet secured with a towel clip as a means of reducing pelvic volume to limit hemorrhage.

Disability

During the acute resuscitation period, a brief assessment of neurologic status should be performed. This assessment should include the patient’s posture (ie, any asymmetry, decerebrate or decorticate posturing), pupil asymmetry, pupillary response to light, and a global assessment of patient responsiveness.

A recommended system is the AVPU method, as follows: A = Patient is awake, alert, and appropriate; V = Patient responds to voice; P = Patient responds to pain; U = Patient is unresponsive.

A complementary assessment using the GCS should be made at this time, during the secondary survey, and at any time that the patient’s mental status appears to change. A more detailed assessment of the patient’s neurologic status is to be made during the secondary survey.

Exposure

Patients should be completely disrobed during the initial assessment and the subsequent secondary survey. This helps ensure that significant injuries are not missed. At the same time, efforts to prevent significant hypothermia, using a warm ambient room (28-30°C), overhead heating, and warmed IV fluids, should be instituted. The patient’s temperature should be measured on arrival at the emergency department, and strenuous efforts should be made to avoid significant hypothermia during resuscitation and therapeutic intervention.

Ancillary monitors

Urinary drainage catheters are commonly placed to assess for genitourinary system hemorrhage and to monitor urine flow. Precautions to avoid urethral injury should be taken for patients with pelvic trauma and for those who have blood at the urethral meatus. Digital rectal examination to identify a high-riding prostate should precede catheter insertion. Abnormal findings from the rectal examination or concern as to the continuity of the urethra should prompt a retrograde urethrocystogram to identify a urethral injury. If identified, a suprapubic catheter should be inserted, and a urologist should be consulted.

Gastric drainage tubes should be orally inserted into all major trauma patients requiring endotracheal intubation. Even in the absence of brain injury, oral gastric tube insertion is preferred to decrease the likelihood of sinusitis from drainage pathway obstruction. Children, in particular, are prone to gastric dilatation, which can significantly impair their respiration and lead to hemodynamic compromise. Immediate decompression may be life-saving. Ongoing monitoring of pulse rate, blood pressure, respiratory rate, oxygen saturation, and temperature is a standard of care in the US.

Radiology

Initial imaging in the resuscitation room should be limited to a portable anteroposterior (AP) chest radiograph plus an AP pelvic image if the patient was involved in a high-speed motor vehicle collision or a fall from a height. Prior recommendations for lateral cervical radiography have been supplanted by routine pan-cervical imaging with image reformation using CT scanning, especially if the patient will undergo a brain CT scan.

Definitive clearing of the neck is managed in different ways in different institutions, but certain common features are identified. Patients with a clear sensorium and no distracting injuries may be clinically cleared if there is no neck pain on palpation and active flexion/extension/rotation. Patients with a normal CT scan but an abnormal mental status should remain in a rigid cervical immobilization device until they may participate in a physical examination or they undergo early (< 72 h postinjury) MRI to detect the presence of ligamentous injury.

Chest radiographs should be assessed for the position of tubes and lines, the presence of treatable life-threatening conditions, including space-occupying lesions, mediastinal widening, lung parenchymal injuries, and injuries to the thoracic cage or vertebral column.

A high-energy pelvic fracture identified on physical examination or pelvis film may substantially contribute to shock. Persistent hypotension suggests the need for early operative external stabilization, operative extraperitoneal pelvic packing, or angioembolization. Technique selection depends on the facility’s resources and practitioner skill set.

Secondary Survey

The secondary survey follows in the wake of correction of immediately life-threatening injury and completion of the primary survey. Thus, the secondary survey may not occur until after an emergency operation has been completed. The secondary survey includes a detailed history, complete physical examination, additional radiologic examinations, and special diagnostic studies. Many institutions include the focused assessment with sonography in trauma (FAST) examination as part of the primary survey rather than part of the secondary survey.

The history should include an assessment of the following items, which can be remembered by using the AMPLE acronym: A = Allergies; M = Medications; P = Past medical, surgical, and social history; L = Last meal; and E = Events leading to injury, scene findings, notable interventions, and recordings en route to the hospital.

Detailed Examination

Head and face and neurology

Palpate the entire cranium and face evaluating for injury and instability. Sutures, staples, or Rainey clips may be helpful in controlling bleeding from large scalp flaps. Palpate for facial crepitus and a mobile middle third of the face as a clue to potential difficulty in airway control. Hemotympanum and the presence of bruising around the eyes (ie, raccoon eyes) and mastoid process (ie, Battle sign) suggest basal skull fracture.

Recheck the pupils, and repeat GCS scoring. Evaluate the cranial nerves, peripheral motor and sensory function, coordination, and reflexes. Identify any neurologic asymmetry. Patients with lateralizing signs and those with an altered level of consciousness (GCS score of < 14) should undergo cranial CT scanning. Patients with traumatic brain injury (TBI) are particularly susceptible to secondary brain injury, in particular from hypoperfusion, hypoxia, hypercarbia, hyperglycemia, hyperthermia, and seizure activity. While primary brain injury and primary brain damage (induced apoptosis after primary brain injury) are beyond the clinician’s control, secondary injury is a preventable complication with careful attention to detail.

Neck

Maintaining cervical spine stabilization when removing a rigid cervical immobilization device is imperative. Penetrating injuries of the neck may require angiographic, bronchoscopic, or radiologic examination depending on the level of injury (ie, zone I, II, or III). In particular, zone II injuries that violate the platysma may be readily explored, while those injuries in zone I or III benefit from additional investigation because of the difficulty in identifying and controlling injuries in those zones.

Chest

Reexamine the chest. Initiate further investigations as indicated by physical examination findings or radiography results. While aortography was previously identified as the criterion standard investigation to identify aortic transaction, CT angiography has essentially replaced intra-arterial contrast injection. Transesophageal echocardiography using an omniplane probe may be safely used as well but suffers from difficulty with technology access after hours, dependence on user skill set, problematic probe insertion in patients requiring cervical immobilization, and blind spots at the aortic arch.

Abdomen

Inspect, percuss, palpate, and auscultate the abdomen, noting tenderness and examining for fullness, rigidity, guarding, or an obvious bruit (rare). Remember that blood is not always a peritoneal irritant, and hemoperitoneum may occur without obvious external signs.

Inspection of the abdomen may be confounded by distracting injuries and impaired consciousness from TBI, intoxicants, or prescription medications. FAST scans are routine in most emergency departments and serve to establish the presence or absence of fluid in 4 distinct domains: pericardium, right upper quadrant, left upper quadrant, and pelvis. Diagnostic peritoneal lavage is now rarely used. Extended FAST scanning may also interrogate the thoracic cavity for evidence of pneumothorax. The practitioner should be aware that FAST scanning is not organ-based imaging, and FAST scanning should not be used to establish the presence or absence of solid organ injury. Hemodynamically acceptable patients with a positive FAST scan generally undergo CT scanning to establish the source of presumed hemorrhage. Patients with a positive FAST scan who are unstable generally proceed to operative intervention in the emergency department (cardiac tamponade) or the operating room (intraperitoneal hemorrhage).

FAST scanning does not evaluate the retroperitoneum, and a normal FAST scan may coexist with substantial retroperitoneal hemorrhage. Also, a positive FAST scan may indicate ascites instead of blood, especially in those with renal or hepatic impairment.

Limbs

Inspect, palpate, and move the limbs to determine their anatomic and functional integrity. Pay attention to the adequacy of the peripheral circulation and integrity of the nerve supply. Arterial insufficiency in patients with a displaced fracture or dislocation requires immediate treatment, generally fracture reduction and/or joint relocation. Pulse inequality should be assessed by means of an ankle-brachial index with diagnostic intervention reserved for those with an absolute ABI difference of 0.2 or greater from one side to the other. Liberal use of diagnostic plain radiography is essential in excluding extremity fracture in patients with mixed mechanisms of injury and in those who cannot participate in an examination because of significant TBI, intoxicants, or other causes.

Log roll

The log roll refers to the slow controlled turning of the patient to each side to assess the dependent part of the supine trauma patient. Care must be taken to avoid secondary injury from an as-yet undiagnosed unstable fracture. This examination concentrates on the back of the head, neck, back, and buttocks, and it includes a rectal examination. The log roll also provides a convenient time to remove the long immobilization board. The board has not been shown to prevent injury in the presence of an unstable vertebral fracture, but it is highly correlated with pressure ulceration in patients who remain on the board for prolonged periods of time (ie, until diagnostic intervention is complete).

This procedure should be carried out by at least 4 people. The first person stabilizes the head and neck, the second and third persons turn the patient, and the fourth person examines the patient’s dorsum and performs the digital rectal examination. At the completion of the examination, and if the patient is not on an x-ray film bearing stretcher, the chest x-ray plate is readily positioned behind the patient. Spine imaging most commonly proceeds as part of the CT scan using reformatted images. This technique has been demonstrated to have equal, and in some studies superior, efficacy to AP and lateral thoraco-lumber spine imaging for fracture identification.

Reevaluation

During the secondary survey, the ABCDE system should be used to constantly reevaluate the patient, and an ongoing diagnostic and therapeutic plan should be revised, as indicated, by the patient’s response to intervention and diagnostic test results.

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43 Responses to “Saturday Lecture Series: Trauma Part 1”
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  1. 1 | August 11, 2012 8:56 am

    Wut?


  2. mawskrat
    2 | August 11, 2012 9:04 am

    my neighbor finished his training
    in orthpedic surgery, then moved to
    Minnesota on a fellowship to train
    in orthopedic trauma surgery. he was
    also a Mormon and one of the nicest
    people I ever met. I worked at a level
    one Trauma hospital very interesting
    place . they allways had 2 OR’s
    reserved for trauma victims


  3. lobo91
    3 | August 11, 2012 9:04 am

    I’m pretty sure that sets the record for longest post…


  4. mawskrat
    4 | August 11, 2012 9:06 am

    @ Mike C.:

    you’re a geologist right?//


  5. 5 | August 11, 2012 9:20 am

    Wow, the Ryan rollout is a nice production!


  6. unclassifiable
    6 | August 11, 2012 9:30 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Great pick.

    Get ready to rumble.


  7. eaglesoars
    7 | August 11, 2012 9:33 am

    Hey CW, how much of this training is given to military medics? It seems to me that their ability to assess/triage trauma on the battlefield -- sometimes if not usually while still IN battle -- would make this knowledge critical.


  8. 8 | August 11, 2012 9:47 am

    mawskrat wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    you’re a geologist right?//

    Actually more of a practicing geophysicist these days, but that’s just geology by other means, or at least what I do is.


  9. coldwarrior
    9 | August 11, 2012 9:55 am

    i am closing this thread and putting it back up later.

    paul ryan just got the veep nomination.

    see the main page.


  10. coldwarrior
    10 | August 18, 2012 8:40 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Hey CW, how much of this training is given to military medics? It seems to me that their ability to assess/triage trauma on the battlefield – sometimes if not usually while still IN battle – would make this knowledge critical.

    its the other way around.

    trauma learns FROM the military.


  11. 11 | August 18, 2012 8:53 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Hey CW, how much of this training is given to military medics? It seems to me that their ability to assess/triage trauma on the battlefield – sometimes if not usually while still IN battle – would make this knowledge critical.

    its the other way around.

    trauma learns FROM the military.

    I saw a piece on the History Channel about Dr. Jonathan Letterman’s advances during the Civil War; it was fascinating.


  12. RIX
    12 | August 18, 2012 8:54 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    its the other way around.

    trauma learns FROM the military

    Isn’t a big reason for that is that military doctors are shielded
    from malpractice lawsuits?
    They are therefore free to do what needs to be done.


  13. RIX
    13 | August 18, 2012 9:01 am

    The Northwestern U Football Team does their pre-season
    camp in Kenosha WI.
    Yesterday they got a surprise when the workout was turned
    over to three active duty Navy Seals.
    They were taken to a beach where they were worked out
    by the Seals.
    Today’s practice will be much easier.


  14. 14 | August 18, 2012 9:07 am

    RIX wrote:

    The Northwestern U Football Team does their pre-season
    camp in Kenosha WI.
    Yesterday they got a surprise when the workout was turned
    over to three active duty Navy Seals.
    They were taken to a beach where they were worked out
    by the Seals.
    Today’s practice will be much easier.

    Heh, wears me out just thinking about it!

    ‘sup RIX?


  15. coldwarrior
    15 | August 18, 2012 9:11 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    its the other way around.
    trauma learns FROM the military
    Isn’t a big reason for that is that military doctors are shielded
    from malpractice lawsuits?
    They are therefore free to do what needs to be done.

    us army used to send docs to LA during the crack wars. hey, it was the only war in town!


  16. coldwarrior
    16 | August 18, 2012 9:20 am

    @ MacDuff:

    on dr letterman:

    [Letterman's Military Service: 1849-18 June 1862]
    Dr. Jonathan Letterman was born in Canonsburg, Washington County, Pennsylvania, on December 11, 1824. His father was an eminent surgeon and practitioner of medicine in the western part of that State, and carefully educated his son for his own profession. His studies were directed by a private tutor until he entered Jefferson College in his native county in 1842, and he graduated thence in 1845. Pursuing his medical studies, he graduated at the Jefferson 2 Medical College, Philadelphia, in March, 1849. In the same year he passed a successful examination by the Army Medical Board in New York City, and was appointed an assistant surgeon in the Army, June 29, 1849. He served in Florida in the campaigns against the Seminole Indians from his appointment until March, 1853; he was then transferred to Fort Ripley, Minnesota, and in May, 1854, marched with troops from Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, to New Mexico. In that department he served at Fort Defiance in the country of the Navajo Indians, and was engaged in Colonel Loring’s expedition against the Gila Apaches. He continued on duty in New Mexico until the autumn of 1858, when he was granted a leave of absence after his service of four years on the frontier. In 1859 he was on duty at Fort Monroe, Virginia, and in the office of the late General Satterlee, United States Army, who then was the Chief Medical Purveyor for the Army. 1860 found him in California, where he was engaged in Major Carleton’s expedition against the Pah Ute Indians. In November, 1861, he accompanied troops from California to New York City, and was soon after on duty with the Army of the Potomac. In May, 1862, he was made Medical Director of the Department of West Virginia. He served in this position but a short time, for on June 19th of this year he was assigned to duty as Medical Director of the Army of the Potomac, succeeding Surgeon Charles Tripler, United States Army, who had been nominated by the President of the United States to the important position of Medical Inspector-General of the United States Army. On July 2d he received his promotion as surgeon, to date from April 16, 1862. Dr. Letterman, proceeding to the field of his new duties, arrived at the White House, on the Peninsula, on the 28th June, but, owing to the interruption of communications, was unable to report to General McClellan until July 1st, and was assigned to duty by him on July 4, 1862. The Army of the Potomac was then at Harrison’s Landing, on the James River, whither it had retired after the exhausting Peninsula campaign. The service he had seen on the frontier and in Indian expeditions had inured him to the hardships of military life. It also gave him an intimate acquaintance with the personal needs and 3 requirements of the soldier, which was now to be made available on a larger scale than had ever before been necessary in our country. The Army, exhausted by its conflicts, and the malarious [sic] atmosphere of the Peninsula, was in great need of rest and recuperation. The great loss of material of every kind that it had sustained, and the impaired health of the troops, demanded the highest qualities for its reorganization and re-equipment. General McClellan, in his report, says of the condition of his Army at this time:[2] “The nature of the military operations had also unavoidably placed the Medical Department in a very unsatisfactory condition. Supplies had been almost exhausted or necessarily aban­doned; hospital tents abandoned or destroyed, and the medical officers deficient in numbers or broken down by fatigue.” On his assignment to duty as Medical Director of the Army of the Potomac, he received from the Surgeon-General a letter of instructions which may be of interest at this day.


  17. eaglesoars
    17 | August 18, 2012 9:21 am

    CW I have a question about best practices. Do you remember when Diana was killed in Paris? Her aorta was torn and she bled out internally. They tried to treat her onsite for about 45 minutes instead of transporting her to trauma immediately.

    Would it have made any difference in her case? Don’t know, but I do remember that there were some questions at the time and the French got a bit defensive.

    Thoughts?

    p.s. She wasn’t trapped in any way in the car -- as I recall she was on the floor of the backseat when they got to her


  18. RIX
    18 | August 18, 2012 9:22 am

    @ MacDuff:

    sup RIX?

    Jes chillin, keepin it real.
    sup wichoo?


  19. eaglesoars
    19 | August 18, 2012 9:25 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Dr. Jonathan Letterman was born in Canonsburg, Washington County, Pennsylvania

    Holey Moley! That’s just down the road from my old house!


  20. RIX
    20 | August 18, 2012 9:25 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    us army used to send docs to LA during the crack wars. hey, it was the only war in town

    !

    Makes perfect sense, the military is where the medical
    innovations come from.
    All the branches used to draft top of the med school
    graduating classes.


  21. RIX
    21 | August 18, 2012 9:28 am

    Off for a bike ride . If I see an obese guy on the trail
    with a ponytail with a cloud of orange Cheetos dust around
    him, I will give him everybody’s regards.


  22. coldwarrior
    22 | August 18, 2012 9:37 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Dr. Jonathan Letterman was born in Canonsburg, Washington County, Pennsylvania
    Holey Moley! That’s just down the road from my old house!

    pretty neat , huh?

    :lol:


  23. coldwarrior
    23 | August 18, 2012 9:43 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    CW I have a question about best practices. Do you remember when Diana was killed in Paris? Her aorta was torn and she bled out internally. They tried to treat her onsite for about 45 minutes instead of transporting her to trauma immediately.
    Would it have made any difference in her case? Don’t know, but I do remember that there were some questions at the time and the French got a bit defensive.
    Thoughts?
    p.s. She wasn’t trapped in any way in the car – as I recall she was on the floor of the backseat when they got to her

    A
    B
    C

    airway. breathing. circulation

    in that order.

    so was her airway good? sure

    are her lungs processing oxygen? check.

    now onto circulation…C in the ABC’s.

    do the first responders know she is hemmorhaging internally? probably not at first. her bp would start going down and pulse would go sky high, but that wouldnt happen until a large amount of blood is out of circulation. did they see this? who knows.

    then, do you move the patient? is her CV and spine injured? will pulling her out of the wreckage do more harm than good in the golden hour?

    lots of stuff going on there.


  24. coldwarrior
    24 | August 18, 2012 9:48 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Dr. Jonathan Letterman was born in Canonsburg, Washington County, Pennsylvania
    Holey Moley! That’s just down the road from my old house!

    he’s a W-n-J grad

    Rose Bowl, W and J


  25. mawskrat
    25 | August 18, 2012 10:04 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    a friend of mine died from a Thoracic aortic aneurysm.
    she was in the ER on a monitor. the doctors did not know
    what was happening until her diaphram ruptured. her last
    words as all the alarms were going off was “whats happening
    to me”

    was sad she was a nice lady


  26. lobo91
    26 | August 18, 2012 10:14 am

    Paul Ryan is getting ready to give a Medicare speech at The Villages, with his 78 year old mom.

    Should be interesting.


  27. eaglesoars
    27 | August 18, 2012 10:26 am

    Hey lobo, did you see that the guy who left his dog, Missy, up on the mountain has been charged with animal cruelty?


  28. lobo91
    28 | August 18, 2012 10:27 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Hey lobo, did you see that the guy who left his dog, Missy, up on the mountain has been charged with animal cruelty?

    No, I didn’t.

    Good.


  29. lobo91
    29 | August 18, 2012 10:28 am

    Hey, look…Paul Ryan’s mom didn’t get tossed over a cliff after all.
    //


  30. coldwarrior
    30 | August 18, 2012 10:35 am

    mawskrat wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    a friend of mine died from a Thoracic aortic aneurysm.
    she was in the ER on a monitor. the doctors did not know
    what was happening until her diaphram ruptured. her last
    words as all the alarms were going off was “whats happening
    to me”
    was sad she was a nice lady

    its fast…and damn hard to recognize.


  31. eaglesoars
    31 | August 18, 2012 10:35 am

    mawskrat wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    a friend of mine died from a Thoracic aortic aneurysm.
    she was in the ER on a monitor. the doctors did not know
    what was happening until her diaphram ruptured. her last
    words as all the alarms were going off was “whats happening
    to me”
    was sad she was a nice lady

    sounds like it was very fast

    ??


  32. eaglesoars
    32 | August 18, 2012 10:43 am

    Ryan’s giving a great speech.

    gotta go, thanks CW!


  33. lobo91
    33 | August 18, 2012 10:53 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Ryan’s giving a great speech.

    gotta go, thanks CW!

    And he’s not using a teleprompter


  34. coldwarrior
    34 | August 18, 2012 11:14 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    mawskrat wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    a friend of mine died from a Thoracic aortic aneurysm.
    she was in the ER on a monitor. the doctors did not know
    what was happening until her diaphram ruptured. her last
    words as all the alarms were going off was “whats happening
    to me”
    was sad she was a nice lady
    sounds like it was very fast
    ??

    2 maybe 3 minutes


  35. 35 | August 18, 2012 11:16 am

    RIX wrote:

    The Northwestern U Football Team does their pre-season
    camp in Kenosha WI.
    Yesterday they got a surprise when the workout was turned
    over to three active duty Navy Seals.
    They were taken to a beach where they were worked out
    by the Seals.
    Today’s practice will be much easier.

    Wow, that’s cool!

    Beach sand makes workouts both safer and more demanding.


  36. The Osprey
    36 | August 18, 2012 11:17 am

    Did someone say “The Villages”?


  37. 37 | August 18, 2012 11:19 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Meh… Dianna isn’t dead, she faked her death so she could move in with Jim Morse… :twisted:


  38. The Osprey
    38 | August 18, 2012 11:22 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Meh… Dianna isn’t dead, she faked her death so she could move in with Jim Morse…

    Jim Morse? Or Jim Morrison?


  39. coldwarrior
    39 | August 18, 2012 11:26 am

    @ The Osprey:

    oh hell, i still laugh at that!


  40. coldwarrior
    40 | August 18, 2012 11:26 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Meh… Dianna isn’t dead, she faked her death so she could move in with Jim Morse…

    ahhh…and elvis is their landlord…


  41. 41 | August 18, 2012 12:12 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Meh… Dianna isn’t dead, she faked her death so she could move in with Jim Morse…

    ahhh…and elvis is their landlord…

    Shhhhhh, nobody is suppose to know that… :lol: :lol: :lol:


  42. 42 | August 18, 2012 12:12 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Meh… Dianna isn’t dead, she faked her death so she could move in with Jim Morse…

    Jim Morse? Or Jim Morrison?

    Smart ass… :razz:


  43. Prebanned
    43 | August 18, 2012 1:18 pm

    , and the fourth person examines the patient’s dorsum and performs the digital rectal examination.

    Uhhh, patient refuses medical care!


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