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Plaasmoorde

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Filed under Africa, African Liberation Movements, Blogmocracy, Communism, Fascism, Guest Post, Progressives, Socialism, South Africa, Special Report, Tranzis at August 24th, 2012 - 12:00 pm

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Plaasmoorde:  In the Dutch derived Afrikaans language it means farm murder. Since the end of the Afrikaner dominated apartheid government in South Africa and the rise to power of Nelson Mandela’s ANC in 1994, roughly 3000 white farmers and their families, who produce the bulk of the food in South Africa, have been murdered by black criminal gangs, with the greatest number these murders occurring since 2001. These horrific murders, often of the elderly and children, many of which involve extreme torture of the victims, have been largely ignored by the Western liberal press, who have invested much intellectual and emotional capital in portraying the  post-apartheid South Africa as a multicultural paradise.

No one has yet been able to prove the farm murders are sanctioned directly by the ANC government, but the  South African Police Services appear unable or unwilling to contain them.  Julius Malema,  leader of the ANC Youth League and confidant of Zimbabwe’s murderous dictator Robert Mugabe, is focusing the anger of unemployed black youth away from the economic failures of the ANC’s Marxist policies and onto the whites.  Mugabe is infamous for his purges of white farmers in the former Rhodesia, which has led to the collapse of large scale agriculture in Zimbabwe and widespread starvation. Malema seems to want South Africa to follow the same path. Although he has been censured by the ANC’s leadership for leading his mobs in the chants of  “Kill the Boer- kill the farmer” and “One white infant, one bullet” he continues to do so. Western progressives like the  Irish rock band leader Bono make excuses for Malema, with Bono claiming that the “Kill the Boer” chant is merely the black South African “struggle song” equivalent of the Irish rebel songs  his granddad sang in a pub in Dublin. For this Bono was criticized by Afrikaner musician Steve Hofmeyer  during U2′s recent tour of South Africa. Hofmeyer, an actor and popular singer in the Afrikaans language has been in the forefront of activism to expose the farm murders and the marginalization of the Afrikaans language in schools by the ANC.

Jewish South African exile writer Ilana Mercer in a recent radio interview has pointed out the power of the chant in Africa to incite mob violence and even genocide as in the case of the Interhamwe in Rwanda where the Hutu mobs chanted “Kill the cockroaches” in reference to their soon to be massacred Tutsi tribal rivals.

Are the whites of South Africa, many of whom have ancestry there dating back to the 1650′s, in danger of genocide? Genocide Watch, an independent international monitoring group based in Washington, DC, has recently raised the threat level toward whites in South Africa to the “preparatory” stage in which a minority population is demonized and elements of the majority population are actively preparing measures to attack them.  And in the European Parliament,  MP’s from parties familiar to Anti-Jihad activists, namely Geert Wilder’s PVV in the Netherlands and the Vlaams Belang in the Flemish region of  Belgium, have decided to  boycott  a “Climate Change” conference in Durban, saying that the political climate in South Africa fostered by the likes of Malema is far more threatening than any illusory “global warming”. During his visit to the European Parliament, PVV and Vlaams Belang delivered a message to South Africa’s President Jacob Zuma that the farm murders and other anti-white violence in South Africa must be stopped  or they would work to cut off all EU aid to Africa.

Meanwhile, the Boers are not taking this lying down. Although the old “rural commando” system was dismantled in 1994, the farmers in some areas are starting their own security patrols, and despite more restrictive firearms laws put in place by the ANC, are apparently able to acquire some weapons.  As the devoutly Protestant Boers said during their 1890′s conflict with the British, “Vertrou in God en die Mauser” “Trust in God and the Mauser” – a sentiment that many of us American “bitter clingers” would certainly find agreement with. What remains to be seen is if saner heads than Malema’s will prevail among the ANC, or if the passing of Nelson Mandela will result in a Rwanda style attack on the white population as many fear.

Israel is not the only tiny beleaguered nation under threat of extinction. Their former Cold War allies, the Afrikaners, are as well.

Below are some scenes from “War of the Flea”, a documentary about the farm murders that was shown in the European parliament by Vlaams Belang MP Philip Claeys, a news report on the rural patrols and excerpts from a press conference with Dr. Gregory Stanton of Genocide Watch and the Transvaal Agricultural Union, a farmers organization in South Africa.

“War of the Flea” – Interviews with relatives of farm murder victims and Afrikaner musician Steve Hofmeyer.

Sky News report on farmers self defense efforts.

Dr. Stanton: ANC demonizes whites as “settlers”

Dr. Stanton: Who is behind the farm murders? Hints at ANC, Communist involvement.

Dr. Stanton: Urges white South African farmers not to disarm, even if it means violating current South African law.  Cites 2nd Amendment of US Constitution, civilian ownership of firearms as a bulwark against genocide.

Websites tracking and exposing the farm murders and other anti-white violence in South Africa:

Censorbugbear Report – run by Dutch Journalist Adriana Stuijit, this site has been tracking the farm murders since 2001.

PRAAG: Pro-Afrikaans Action Group – website founded by Afrikaner lawyer and activist Dan Roodt

 

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  1. coldwarrior
    1 | August 24, 2012 12:18 pm

    after mandella dies, the anc WILL murder whites in the open and follow the mugabe path.

    the anc are communists and radical racists.


  2. Speranza
    2 | August 24, 2012 12:20 pm

    South Africa is the rape nation (legitimate or not /) of the world.


  3. Speranza
    3 | August 24, 2012 12:21 pm

    Israel is not the only tiny beleaguered nation under threat of extinction. Their former Cold War allies, the Afrikaners, are as well.

    That’s a bit of a stretch. They were not hostile to each other but they were not allies.


  4. The Osprey
    4 | August 24, 2012 12:29 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    after mandella dies, the anc WILL murder whites in the open and follow the mugabe path.
    the anc are communists and radical racists.

    That’s the big fear. The ANCYL is engaging in a lot of actions now that seem to be a dry run for that. Western Cape province, where the Democratic Alliance party controls most of the provincial offices, has seen a lot of ANC actions recently such as “service delivery protests” blocking the highway to the airport.


  5. The Osprey
    5 | August 24, 2012 12:42 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Israel is not the only tiny beleaguered nation under threat of extinction. Their former Cold War allies, the Afrikaners, are as well.
    That’s a bit of a stretch. They were not hostile to each other but they were not allies.

    The most obvious example of Israeli- Afrikaner cooperation was the adoption by the South African Defence Forces of the Israeli Galil rifle, produced under license in South Africa as the “R4″. They also cooperated on infrastructure projects such as railways and desalination plants.


  6. pat
    6 | August 24, 2012 12:44 pm

    Just about every Prime Minister for the last 10 years has been a delusional, typical, African Big Man.


  7. 7 | August 24, 2012 12:54 pm

    Small wonder then why South Africa (prior to its ‘liberation’ from white rule) developed nuclear weapons. Excellent post Osprey!


  8. 8 | August 24, 2012 12:56 pm

    Thanks The Osprey! I really needed this primer and I’m sure Im’ not the only one.


  9. waldensianspirit
    9 | August 24, 2012 1:11 pm

    NYPD had a tough situation with the gunman who took out his boss. They shot up other pedestrians


  10. 10 | August 24, 2012 1:15 pm

    Simply put, “Afrocenttrism” seems to be thinly veiled, destructive racism, even when it’s employed in Africa.


  11. buzzsawmonkey
    11 | August 24, 2012 1:16 pm

    South Africa has become such a shithole that even NPR reported, about a year ago, that “even the blacks are leaving.”


  12. The Osprey
    12 | August 24, 2012 1:21 pm

    Kafir wrote:

    Thanks The Osprey! I really needed this primer and I’m sure Im’ not the only one.

    You’re welcome. This just kind of scratches the surface. South Africa has a complex and turbulent history, which in some ways mirrors our own and in other ways is very different. And it is the subject of a lot of propaganda and distortion from the left, which is another reason why I find it relevant to our own situation.

    The farm murders upset me greatly. A lot of people were very hopeful about post-Apartheid South Africa, and except for small groups of extremists, such as the AWB, (who may have been a false flag operation-there’s a joke in there for you Chuck if you can find it) I think the majority of the white population accepted black majority rule with the hope that there would be reconciliation on both sides and that the country would continue to be an economic beacon for the rest of Africa. The problem is, as Cold Warrior put it in his first post is that the ANC are Marxists and black racists, and the more “moderate” ANC leadership as represented by Mandela seem to be increasingly marginalized. Western liberals and even many conservatives were bamboozled by the ANC.


  13. citizen_q
    13 | August 24, 2012 1:22 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    South Africa has become such a shithole that even NPR reported, about a year ago, that “even the blacks are leaving.”

    It must be very very bad then. The libs don’t like to admit to the failure of one of their right thinking social engineering causes.


  14. 14 | August 24, 2012 1:23 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    after mandella dies, the anc WILL murder whites in the open and follow the mugabe path.
    the anc are communists and radical racists.

    That’s the big fear. The ANCYL is engaging in a lot of actions now that seem to be a dry run for that. Western Cape province, where the Democratic Alliance party controls most of the provincial offices, has seen a lot of ANC actions recently such as “service delivery protests” blocking the highway to the airport.

    Is it possible that, some time in the future, the Boers may declare their own state? If they do this, where would the most likely location of said state be?


  15. The Osprey
    15 | August 24, 2012 1:26 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    South Africa has become such a shithole that even NPR reported, about a year ago, that “even the blacks are leaving.”

    Hmm…dont’ know about that. There are a lot of “guest workers” from neighboring countries such as Botswana, and a flood of refugees from Zimbabwe. The Zimbabwean refugees often come under attack from mobs who are either upset at competition for jobs or egged on by ANCYL types who view Zimbabweans fleeing Mugabe’s regime as traitors.


  16. 16 | August 24, 2012 1:27 pm

    Africa is rich in natural resources and fertile farmland and the West has spent decades and untold $ billions in public and private funding to pull them out of the muck, yet they still starve by the millions and behave like rabid animals. Frankly, I’m losing patience with the whole damned continent.


  17. Alberta Oil Peon
    17 | August 24, 2012 1:27 pm

    One of my co-workers here is an Afrikaner emigre. I will have to ask him some time about the situation there.


  18. coldwarrior
    18 | August 24, 2012 1:29 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Is it possible that, some time in the future, the Boers may declare their own state? If they do this, where would the most likely location of said state be?

    orange river valley, maybe team up with the zulus


  19. 19 | August 24, 2012 1:36 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Southern Nigeria (the Christian part), Angola, Ethiopia, Kenya and Uganda are actually doing pretty well now. They are all capitalist. The rest of Africa is Islamic or Marxist, they are not doing too well. Coincidence? Nope.


  20. coldwarrior
    20 | August 24, 2012 1:36 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    no deep water ports, no infrastructure to speak of, corruption and death everywhere…why bother.


  21. 21 | August 24, 2012 1:37 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    The ANC has become more National Socialist if you get my drift.


  22. 22 | August 24, 2012 1:38 pm

    The gloves are off!

    Romney: ‘No one has ever asked to see my birth certificate


  23. coldwarrior
    23 | August 24, 2012 1:39 pm

    animals. i so want to feed those paki bastards to the indians.

    With the hysteria over the arrest of a Christian girl with Down’s syndrome on a charge of blasphemy yet to blow over, the brutally tortured body of an 11-year-old Christian boy has been found in Pakistan’s Punjab province.

    ­The body of Samuel Yaqoob, was discovered with his lips and nose cut off, his stomach removed and his legs mutilated. According to police the body was later burned and could hardly be recognized.

    Relatives identified the corpse from a distinctive mark on the boy’s forehead.


  24. 24 | August 24, 2012 1:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Southern Nigeria (the Christian part), Angola, Ethiopia, Kenya and Uganda are actually doing pretty well now. They are all capitalist. The rest of Africa is Islamic or Marxist, they are not doing too well. Coincidence? Nope.

    Heh, sounds like “red Africa” and ” blue Africa”, no?


  25. The Osprey
    25 | August 24, 2012 1:43 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Is it possible that, some time in the future, the Boers may declare their own state? If they do this, where would the most likely location of said state be?

    The people talking about an independent Afrikaans speaking state generally seem to center on the Western Cape as a possible location for it. The are several reasons for this. It’s where the Dutch originally landed in 1652. It was not home to any of the indigenous black tribes-with the exception of the Khoikhoi (also known as “San” or “Bushmen”) who have to a large degree intermarried with Malaysian/Indonesians brought over by the Dutch East India company to become the “Cape Coloureds”. These people prefer Afrikaans to English and although they were opposed to Apartheid, they oppose the ANC’s attempts to marginalize the Afrikaans language. So they could team up with the Boers to create a separate state.


  26. 26 | August 24, 2012 1:47 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Yup!


  27. The Osprey
    27 | August 24, 2012 1:47 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    One of my co-workers here is an Afrikaner emigre. I will have to ask him some time about the situation there.

    There’s a white South African emigre in Canada who wrote a excellent primer on South African history called “When The Loerie Sings Again”.
    I think he’s of English, not Afrikaner background though. A very worthwhile read that I would highly recommend to anyone interested in what is going on in South Africa and how it got that way.


  28. 28 | August 24, 2012 1:49 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    SO these mixed Colored are culturally close and identify the Boers. Its like in Latin America where many mixed people identify with the Culture of Spain and not the Native or Afro culture.


  29. Alberta Oil Peon
    29 | August 24, 2012 1:51 pm

    If the Afrikaners even think about breaking away and forming a Free State (where have I heard that therm before, eh?), they had better line up some powerful patrons in the world community. Israel would seem at first glance to be the obvious choice, but they really don’t have the depth to get involved in foreign adventures at this juncture.

    I say they should chat up Vladimir Putin. The Russians really don’t have any love for black Africans, and all their involvement in that continent during the Cold war was simply to make mischief against the West. Helping an Afrikaner state now would be carrying on in the same tradition. And Russia has a veto on the Security Council, so they can squelch any move by the U.N. to attack an Afrikaner free state. Russia would gain geopolitical influence, and the Afrikaners would gain a powerful patron. What’s not to like?


  30. Speranza
    30 | August 24, 2012 1:51 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    The most obvious example of Israeli- Afrikaner cooperation was the adoption by the South African Defence Forces of the Israeli Galil rifle, produced under license in South Africa as the “R4″. They also cooperated on infrastructure projects such as railways and desalination plants.

    Israeli weapons are used all over the world, it does not make the nation an “ally”. South Africa used French Mirage jet fighters, they and France were not allies.


  31. The Osprey
    31 | August 24, 2012 1:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Southern Nigeria (the Christian part), Angola, Ethiopia, Kenya and Uganda are actually doing pretty well now. They are all capitalist. The rest of Africa is Islamic or Marxist, they are not doing too well. Coincidence? Nope.

    Kenya and Nigeria have invited white Rhodesian expats from Zimbabwe to help them develop large scale agriculture.


  32. coldwarrior
    32 | August 24, 2012 1:55 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The Osprey wrote:

    The most obvious example of Israeli- Afrikaner cooperation was the adoption by the South African Defence Forces of the Israeli Galil rifle, produced under license in South Africa as the “R4″. They also cooperated on infrastructure projects such as railways and desalination plants.

    Israeli weapons are used all over the world, it does not make the nation an “ally”. South Africa used French Mirage jet fighters, they and France were not allies.

    the south africans and the israel were very tight during the cold war on weapon development and tech sharing and trade in raw materials for finished goods.

    somewhere in the stack downstairs i have an article in an old jane’s defense about this cooperation. it was a very interesting read, 1984 85 i think it was.


  33. coldwarrior
    33 | August 24, 2012 1:55 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ MacDuff:
    Southern Nigeria (the Christian part), Angola, Ethiopia, Kenya and Uganda are actually doing pretty well now. They are all capitalist. The rest of Africa is Islamic or Marxist, they are not doing too well. Coincidence? Nope.

    Kenya and Nigeria have invited white Rhodesian expats from Zimbabwe to help them develop large scale agriculture.

    mozambique as well


  34. citizen_q
    34 | August 24, 2012 1:56 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    I read about that yesterday. I am furious, and have refrained from comment because my remedy is horrific.


  35. 35 | August 24, 2012 1:56 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    That explain why they are doing well economically.


  36. 36 | August 24, 2012 1:57 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ Speranza:

    Israel was very close with South Africa. Colombia is viewed by some in Israel as South Africa’s replacement.


  37. 37 | August 24, 2012 2:06 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    With shit like that, Pakistan should cease to exist. Period. Act as a Radioactive Buffer between India and the rest of the Stans.


  38. coldwarrior
    38 | August 24, 2012 2:08 pm

    @ citizen_q:
    @ Macker:

    i like the glowing radioactive buffer idea. keep the uncivilized scum away from the cizilized


  39. 39 | August 24, 2012 2:13 pm

    Osprey: I am reading the Loerie document now. So…frakking…sad!


  40. 40 | August 24, 2012 2:27 pm

    Peace can only be achieved by civilized people, barbarians are the enemies of civilization, therefore barbarians must either be civilized or otherwise eliminated if we are to ever have peace. Those who refuse to embrace this elemental concept have either been intellectually addled by their education, or they’re on the side of the barbarians for their own purposes.


  41. The Osprey
    41 | August 24, 2012 2:34 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The Osprey wrote:
    The most obvious example of Israeli- Afrikaner cooperation was the adoption by the South African Defence Forces of the Israeli Galil rifle, produced under license in South Africa as the “R4″. They also cooperated on infrastructure projects such as railways and desalination plants.
    Israeli weapons are used all over the world, it does not make the nation an “ally”. South Africa used French Mirage jet fighters, they and France were not allies.

    Israel signed an economic and military co-operation treaty with South Africa in 1975 which lasted until 1987. Nations that sign treaties with each other are often referred to as allies. Were they allies to the extent that Israeli troops were fighting in Angola, or South Africans guarding the Negev? No, but they were allies in the sense that they both wanted to limit the spread of Marxism on the African continent and they engaged in joint military manufacturing and economic infrastructure projects.


  42. unclassifiable
    42 | August 24, 2012 2:37 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Hey CW I want to nominate McDuff BCC(?) award. Well put.

    (golf clap)


  43. NoThreat2U
    43 | August 24, 2012 2:42 pm

    This is very interesting. I am eager to learn more.


  44. 44 | August 24, 2012 2:42 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    Exactly. That is what I’ve been saying about the Mohammedans ever since 9-12-2001. You can’t co-exist with people who want to kill or enslave you. That is just common sense.


  45. Guggi
    45 | August 24, 2012 2:52 pm

    Brooklyn Democratic Leader Censured for Sexual Harassment

    Assemblyman Vito J. Lopez, the Brooklyn Democratic leader and longtime political power broker there, has been stripped of his committee chairmanship, barred from employing young people, and censured after an Assembly committee determined that he had sexually harassed two female employees this summer.


  46. 46 | August 24, 2012 2:55 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Hey CW I want to nominate McDuff BCC(?) award. Well put.

    (golf clap)

    Thanks much, but it’s pretty much what we all feel, just distilled a bit. There are shades of grey in certain areas, but I believe this is one that’s colored in the stark definition of black and white. Civilization is God’s gift by which we achieve peace and we must all choose accordingly, and live or die with that choice.


  47. waldensianspirit
  48. 48 | August 24, 2012 2:59 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    Exactly. That is what I’ve been saying about the Mohammedans ever since 9-12-2001. You can’t co-exist with people who want to kill or enslave you. That is just common sense.

    When I see the execrable “coexist” bumper sticker, I see it as a synonym for “surrender”.


  49. waldensianspirit
    49 | August 24, 2012 3:00 pm

    Burgess Owens!


  50. waldensianspirit
    50 | August 24, 2012 3:01 pm

    Burgess Owens should run for Congress


  51. 51 | August 24, 2012 3:04 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    http://www.spreecast.com/events/ex-nfl-great-to-blacks-say-no-to-obama/embed-medium

    Must see

    ht drudge

    Q: “Is Barack Obama a Socialist?”

    Owens: “Liberal, Socialist, Progressive, it’s all the same category”

    Beautiful!


  52. waldensianspirit
    52 | August 24, 2012 3:09 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Obama is an avid abortionist of blacks. Abortion clinics set up all through out the black communities

    !!!!


  53. 53 | August 24, 2012 3:15 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    And the Democrat convention is going to be a celebration of abortion. You have to admit they don’t really go to great lengths to hide what they are all about. Oh, they lie about it, but the lies are tissue-thin transparent things. Only fools believe them.


  54. Speranza
    54 | August 24, 2012 3:24 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    the south africans and the israel were very tight during the cold war on weapon development and tech sharing and trade in raw materials for finished goods.

    True that’s because the OAU was very hostile to both nations. South Africa did not wish any harm on Israel and although Israel was opposed to apartheid, she had more pressing things to worry about so any military cooperation with any nation was to be welcomed.


  55. 55 | August 24, 2012 3:28 pm

    @ Guggi:

    He probably will be a Democratic Senator soon!


  56. 56 | August 24, 2012 3:30 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    They are going to kick off the convention the Friday before with an Islamic prayer service. Gays Marriage, Abortion and Islam!


  57. 57 | August 24, 2012 3:44 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    There are shades of grey in certain areas,

    What? No, there are no shades of grey here. The original title of this CD was however suppose to be “Shades of Dorian Grey” it got changed after an unfortunate accident wherein I foolishly stood in the path of an on coming bullet… :oops:

    httpsv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC_XRmEyDks


  58. citizen_q
    58 | August 24, 2012 3:50 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    They are going to kick off the convention the Friday before with an Islamic prayer service. Gays Marriage, Abortion and Islam!

    Gag!


  59. 59 | August 24, 2012 3:54 pm

    @ Rodan:
    With a hefty dose of anti-Americanism, no doubt. Does Obama really think that this will be a winner? If the public tunes into the Republican convention and hears jobs and the economy and tunes into the Democrat convention and hears gays and abortion, Romney will win big. And that sounds like what is getting ready to happen.


  60. 60 | August 24, 2012 4:08 pm

    It’s dated ( Good Lord! 2002! ) but I put this together:

    A Capsule History of Southern Africa


  61. yenta-fada
    61 | August 24, 2012 4:09 pm

    @ Osprey

    This is a very interesting post. Bookmarked for later, and I WILL read it. Thank you for putting it together.


  62. 62 | August 24, 2012 5:10 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    I’m thinking about putting The Muslim National Anthem™ on a bumper sticker. In Arabic of course. Any takers? 8)


  63. The Osprey
    63 | August 24, 2012 9:26 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ Osprey

    This is a very interesting post. Bookmarked for later, and I WILL read it. Thank you for putting it together.

    I know you follow precious metals investing very closely, the gold and platinum mining companies are a big power behind the scenes in South Africa. Most of them are not owned by South Africans, but by companies headquartered in the City of London. As you may have heard there was recently labor strife at Marikana platinum mine between two different labor unions. 36 miners were shot dead by the police, and the Guardian and the BBC blame it on South African whites, even though:

    Both unions involved are lead by blacks and the workers are black.
    The police are now controlled by the ANC: there are some white officers but the majority of officers are now black and the leadership is ANC cadre.
    The mine owners, LONMIN, (London Minerals) are in London.

    :roll:


  64. 64 | August 24, 2012 10:27 pm

    I’m going to say it, regardless of consequences, and I am by no means a “white nationalist”: ALL South Africans, regardless of color, were safer and more prosperous under the old apartheid regime than they are now.

    There, I said it.

    Getting my neck ready for the customary South African punishment for political incorrectness


  65. The Osprey
    65 | August 24, 2012 11:12 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    No “necklacings” on this thread!


  66. yenta-fada
    66 | August 24, 2012 11:50 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    @ Osprey
    This is a very interesting post. Bookmarked for later, and I WILL read it. Thank you for putting it together.
    I know you follow precious metals investing very closely, the gold and platinum mining companies are a big power behind the scenes in South Africa. Most of them are not owned by South Africans, but by companies headquartered in the City of London. As you may have heard there was recently labor strife at Marikana platinum mine between two different labor unions. 36 miners were shot dead by the police, and the Guardian and the BBC blame it on South African whites, even though:
    Both unions involved are lead by blacks and the workers are black.
    The police are now controlled by the ANC: there are some white officers but the majority of officers are now black and the leadership is ANC cadre.
    The mine owners, LONMIN, (London Minerals) are in London.

    “City of London” has special tax treatment.

    http://taxjustice.blogspot.com/2009/02/corporation-of-london-state-within.html


  67. lobo91
    67 | August 25, 2012 12:03 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    I’ve come to the conclusion that none of the former British colonies (aside from the US, Canada and Australia/NZ) will ever make it into the modern world. At best, they mimic what they saw the Brits doing, although they have no idea why, much like a cargo cult.

    Even India will probably never be as prosperous as it should be. I recall reading something not too long ago about their court system. They apparently have a backlog of more than 200 years worth of civil cases. It hasn’t occurred to them that they should hire more judges, or that the ones they have should work more than 4 hours a day.


  68. yenta-fada
    68 | August 25, 2012 12:30 am

    @ lobo91:

    You make a good case. The British based education system did a lot for India, although it is hard to look at colonialization as normal in modern times for obvious reasons. The Indian friends I have are very proud of kicking the Brits out, yet they have a real appreciation of the language and literature. Mind you, I’m old and so are they. The Muslim factor doesn’t help either. However, it’s an old civilization, and is probably more ‘civilized’ than Western countries in some ways.


  69. lobo91
    69 | August 25, 2012 12:40 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    You should see how the bureaucracy in Kuwait works. Only the Kuwaitis could make the US DMV look efficient.

    It takes a minimum of 4 1/2 months to get a drivers license in Kuwait. The reason for that is that they know on some level that there are too many cars for the roads they have. It wouldn’t occur to them to build more roads, so the obvious answer is to limit the number of people who can drive.

    And obviously, they can’t keep Kuwaitis from driving, so that means they have to limit the number of foreign workers who drive. Never mind the fact that those people have actual jobs to do, as opposed to the Kuwaitis.


  70. lobo91
    70 | August 25, 2012 12:42 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    John Stossel did a show once about what it takes to start a business in different places.

    It took about a month in NYC. In India, it was about a year. In Hong Kong, he was able to open a business in a day.


  71. yenta-fada
    71 | August 25, 2012 12:48 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    You should see how the bureaucracy in Kuwait works. Only the Kuwaitis could make the US DMV look efficient.
    It takes a minimum of 4 1/2 months to get a drivers license in Kuwait. The reason for that is that they know on some level that there are too many cars for the roads they have. It wouldn’t occur to them to build more roads, so the obvious answer is to limit the number of people who can drive.

    And obviously, they can’t keep Kuwaitis from driving, so that means they have to limit the number of foreign workers who drive. Never mind the fact that those people have actual jobs to do, as opposed to the Kuwaitis.

    Islamic societies seem based on nomadic culture. Unless they have outside help, they would wander around using everything up and not think about tomorrow. It is a template for failure. God must have invented irony on the sixth day.


  72. yenta-fada
    72 | August 25, 2012 12:49 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    John Stossel did a show once about what it takes to start a business in different places.
    It took about a month in NYC. In India, it was about a year. In Hong Kong, he was able to open a business in a day.

    That’s quite revealing. :-)


  73. yenta-fada
    73 | August 25, 2012 12:50 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    I didn’t quite pass the block quote test. sigh.


  74. lobo91
    74 | August 25, 2012 12:55 am

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    I didn’t quite pass the block quote test. sigh.

    I fixed it for you.

    Even after several ounces of vodka.

    That’s why we’ll win in the end :)


  75. lobo91
    75 | August 25, 2012 1:00 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    I don’t have the video offhand, but here’s a column where he talks about it.

    Stossel was one of the guest speakers at the NRA Annual Meeting in Phoenix, and that was the topic of his talk: “What Makes America Great”

    Ollie North was the main speaker.

    I got to talk to both of them, and get autographed books :)

    I really need to see if my ex still has those pictures…


  76. yenta-fada
    76 | August 25, 2012 1:01 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    I didn’t quite pass the block quote test. sigh.
    I fixed it for you.
    Even after several ounces of vodka.
    That’s why we’ll win in the end

    YAY! Thanks to you and vodka. Banning booze….not too bright.


  77. Calo
    77 | August 25, 2012 1:07 am

    @ lobo91:

    I really need to see if my ex still has those pictures…

    You might need to see if your ex stored them amongst your weeds out back.

    And, where is the OOT where Yenta posts dirty pics of Michelle?


  78. yenta-fada
    78 | August 25, 2012 1:11 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I really need to see if my ex still has those pictures…
    You might need to see if your ex stored them amongst your weeds out back.
    And, where is the OOT where Yenta posts dirty pics of Michelle?

    LOL. We drifted over the line.


  79. Calo
    79 | August 25, 2012 1:13 am

    @ yenta-fada:
    Yenta, glad to see you are feeling well tonight.

    I have missed you, damn it.


  80. yenta-fada
    80 | August 25, 2012 1:16 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Yenta, glad to see you are feeling well tonight.
    I have missed you, damn it.

    That’s kind of you to say. I haven’t been great, so I stay away from the late threads.


  81. Calo
    81 | August 25, 2012 1:18 am

    And then I have to backpedal … looking for Lobo in his basement, as he watches forbidden utube videos and drinks the nasty stuff.


  82. lobo91
    82 | August 25, 2012 1:18 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    Unfortunately, Leia and I have to get to bed. We have a gun show to attend tomorrow.


  83. yenta-fada
    83 | August 25, 2012 1:19 am

    @ lobo91:

    Canadians are more inclined to work for the government rather than go out on their own. People don’t buy things as freely as they do in the U.S. It’s sort of a U.S. and British hybrid by history and geography.


  84. yenta-fada
    84 | August 25, 2012 1:20 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Unfortunately, Leia and I have to get to bed. We have a gun show to attend tomorrow.

    Good night and good luck at the gun show.


  85. Calo
    85 | August 25, 2012 1:21 am

    @ yenta-fada:
    I saw a peek of that a few days ago.

    {{Yenta}}

    Please, let me know if I can do anything for you.

    Admins are always free to give you my email.


  86. yenta-fada
    86 | August 25, 2012 1:22 am

    Calo wrote:

    And then I have to backpedal … looking for Lobo in his basement, as he watches forbidden utube videos and drinks the nasty stuff.

    The time zone difference on the OOT doesn’t work in my favor. Good to see you Calo. Did you see that NoThreat decided to have a liver transplant? That’s great! Good night. :-)


  87. Calo
    87 | August 25, 2012 1:24 am

    @ yenta-fada:
    Whaaattt!!!!

    OMG, I am so excited. Really. No sarcasm.

    Prayers for NT2U.

    I blame CW’s other half.


  88. lobo91
    88 | August 25, 2012 1:26 am

    @ Calo:

    Admins are always free to give you my email.

    I still have those sorts of powers. Let me know.


  89. Calo
    89 | August 25, 2012 1:27 am

    @ Calo:
    Damn. I am tired but now I have to send an email to Lily.

    She was worried about NT2U.

    Oh, and prayers up for Lily who broke a rib last night… may you sleep well, my friend.


  90. lobo91
    90 | August 25, 2012 1:27 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    Thanks.

    Hopefully, Leia still remembers how to trip people with her leash :)

    Night.


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