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The ‘deterrence’ works mirage

by Speranza ( 91 Comments › )
Filed under Ahmadinejad, Cold War, Iran, Israel, Nuclear Weapons at August 31st, 2012 - 11:30 am

Deterrence worked during the Cold War because the U.S.S.R. had no interest in being destroyed in a nuclear exchange even if it meant that the U.S.A. would be destroyed too. Nations such as North Korea and Iran are a whole different story.

by Charles Krauthammer

There are few foreign-policy positions more silly than the assertion without context that “deterrence works.” It is like saying air power works. Well, it worked for Kosovo; it didn’t work over North Vietnam.

It’s like saying city-bombing works. It worked in Japan 1945 (Tokyo through Nagasaki). It didn’t in the London blitz.

The idea that some military technique “works” is meaningless. It depends on the time, the circumstances, the nature of the adversaries. The longbow worked for Henry V. At El Alamein, however, Montgomery chose tanks.

Yet a significant school of American “realists” remains absolutist on deterrence and is increasingly annoyed with those troublesome Israelis who are sowing fear, rattling world markets and risking regional war by threatening a preemptive strike to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. Don’t they understand that their fears are grossly exaggerated? After all, didn’t deterrence work during 40 years of Cold War?

Indeed, a few months ago, columnist Fareed Zakaria made that case by citing me writing in defense of deterrence in the early 1980s at the time of the nuclear freeze movement. And yet now, writes Zakaria, Krauthammer (and others on the right) “has decided that deterrence is a lie.”

Nonsense. What I have decided is that deterring Iran is fundamentally different from deterring the Soviet Union. You could rely on the latter but not on the former.

The reasons are obvious and threefold:

(1) The nature of the regime.

Did the Soviet Union in its 70 years ever deploy a suicide bomber? For Iran, as for other jihadists, suicide bombingis routine. Hence the trail of self-immolation, from the 1983 Marine barracks attack in Beirut to the Bulgaria bombing of July 2012.

Iran’s clerical regime rules in the name of a fundamentalist religion for whom the hereafter offers the ultimate rewards. For Soviet communists — thoroughly, militantly atheistic — such thinking was an opiate-laced fairy tale.

For all its global aspirations, the Soviet Union was intensely nationalist. The Islamic Republic sees itself as an instrument of its own brand of Shiite millenarianism — the messianic return of the “hidden Imam.”

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The classic formulation comes from Tehran’s fellow (and rival Sunni) jihadist al-Qaeda: “You love life and we love death.” Try deterring that.

(2) The nature of the grievance.

The Soviet quarrel with America was ideological. Iran’s quarrel with Israel is existential. The Soviets never proclaimed a desire to annihilate the American people. For Iran, the very existence of a Jewish state on Muslim land is a crime, an abomination, a cancer with which no negotiation, no coexistence, no accommodation is possible.

(3) The nature of the target.

America is a nation of 300 million; Israel, 8 million. America is a continental nation; Israel, a speck on the map, at one point eight miles wide. Israel is a “one-bomb country.” Its territory is so tiny, its population so concentrated that, as Iran’s former president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani has famously said, “Application of an atomic bomb would not leave anything in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world.” A tiny nuclear arsenal would do the job.

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This doesn’t mean that the mullahs will necessarily risk terrible carnage to their country in order to destroy Israel irrevocably. But it does mean that the blithe assurance to the contrary — because the Soviets never struck first — is nonsense. The mullahs have a radically different worldview, a radically different grievance and a radically different calculation of the consequences of nuclear war.

The confident belief that they are like the Soviets is a fantasy. That’s why Israel is contemplating a preemptive strike. Israel refuses to trust its very existence to the convenient theories of comfortable analysts living 6,000 miles from its Ground Zero.

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  1. Speranza
    1 | August 31, 2012 11:41 am

    I saw that loon John Stossel use the argument “We lived with the USSR having nuclear weapons” argument.


  2. 2 | August 31, 2012 11:46 am

    We love life, they love death. You can’t deter that. You can and must destroy it if you want to live. The sooner we wake up to that, the fewer people have to die.


  3. 3 | August 31, 2012 11:47 am

    @ Speranza:

    The Ayatollah don’t care about the Iranian people. They are willing to sacrifice their country for Islam. They believe getting nuked will bring back the 12th Iman.


  4. 4 | August 31, 2012 11:48 am

    @ Speranza:
    @ Iron Fist:

    Look at this. Morsi threw the gauntlet at Iran. Muslim Brotherhood vs. Ayatollahs is on!


  5. 5 | August 31, 2012 11:50 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Let us oblige them. ISLAM DELENDA EST!


  6. 6 | August 31, 2012 11:50 am

    Speranza wrote:

    I saw that loon John Stossel use the argument “We lived with the USSR having nuclear weapons” argument.

    Stossel gives libertarianism a bad name.


  7. 7 | August 31, 2012 11:52 am

    @ MacDuff:

    I agree. He’s more of an Anarcho-Libertarian as opposed to a Conservative-Libertarian.


  8. MikeA
    8 | August 31, 2012 11:58 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    We love life, they love death. You can’t deter that. You can and must destroy it if you want to live. The sooner we wake up to that, the fewer people have to die.

    In that case, we oblige them. give them all the death they can handle. Delivered at sub-orbital speeds.


  9. citizen_q
    9 | August 31, 2012 12:02 pm

    Do unto them before they do unto us.

    The golden rule updated for islam.


  10. RIX
    10 | August 31, 2012 12:12 pm

    There is a huge difference between the curreent situation
    and the Cold War.
    The power elite in the Soviet Union had no interest in
    martyrdom. They were committed communists and as such
    had no interest in dying, since there was nowhere to go.
    Today our Islamist enemies think that dying for the cause
    grants them Paradise and a virgin brothel.
    Big difference.


  11. 11 | August 31, 2012 12:12 pm

    @ MikeA:
    War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let’s give them all they want.

    William Tecumseh Sherman

    I agree.


  12. citizen_q
    12 | August 31, 2012 12:13 pm

    islam is evil.

    Two Afghan children beheaded in separate incidents

    A 12-year-old boy was kidnapped and killed in southern Kandahar province on Wednesday, his severed head placed near his body to send a warning to police, said provincial governor spokesman Jawid Faisal

    Separately, a 6-year-old girl was beheaded in eastern Kapisa province on Thursday, said provincial police chief Abdul Hamed.

    “We are not sure if she was beheaded by her family or the Taliban, but we know the Taliban control the area,” Hamed said of the killing in Jalukhil village. He added that he could not send investigators to the area out of fears for their safety.

    The murders follow the shooting or beheading of 17 young revelers attending a party in southern Helmand province this week, which officials said was the work of the Taliban, a charge the group also denied.


  13. 13 | August 31, 2012 12:14 pm

    Via ABC News:

    Romney to Visit Areas Damaged By Hurricane Isaac

    LAKELAND, Fla. — In a last-minute change of plans, Mitt Romney will head to visit storm-affected areas in New Orleans today, skipping a previously scheduled joint rally with running mate Paul Ryan in the battleground state of Virginia this afternoon.

    A Romney aide told ABC News that Romney will “join Gov. Jindal and will meet with first responders, thank them for their work and see areas impacted by the storm in LaFitte, La.”

    Jindal cancelled his plans earlier this week to attend the Republican National Convention after Hurricane Isaac moved up the Gulf Coast and wreaked damage across Louisiana. Two deaths have been reported in Louisiana as a result of the storm and widespread damage and flooding. The storm hit on the seven-year anniversary of Hurricane Katrina.

    The Romney campaign had been working to determine how they could visit the region throughout the week. The trip to New Orleans will be the maiden voyage of Romney’s new campaign plane.

    The White House has not announced any plans to visit the storm area.

    Perfect. Obama has just announced that he’s going Monday.


  14. Buffalobob
    14 | August 31, 2012 12:14 pm

    The fanatical leaders in the Muslin world preach suicide and teach their youth to kill themselves and hate anyone not of their faith.


  15. lobo91
    15 | August 31, 2012 12:16 pm

    Buffalobob wrote:

    The fanatical leaders in the Muslin world preach suicide and teach their youth to kill themselves and hate anyone not of their faith.

    Sounds a lot like the Democrats, aside from the suicide part.

    Maybe that’ll be next.


  16. 16 | August 31, 2012 12:16 pm

    You cannot negotiate with anyone whose idea of negotiation is to ask if you want to die in the morning or the afternoon.


  17. Buffalobob
    17 | August 31, 2012 12:18 pm

    @ MacDuff :o bie denied FEMA aid to the fire victims on OK, apparently not enough MSM news coverage for him to miss his golf tee times.


  18. MikeA
    18 | August 31, 2012 12:19 pm

    The same conept works in any conflict. Both sides have to have mutual ground. If one side says.. “I want you dead and will not accept anything else”, there is no common ground. The only option is to remove the threat to your home.


  19. RIX
    19 | August 31, 2012 12:25 pm

    I get the feeling that if Jesus Christ would have spoken
    at the RNC , the Media would have bashed Him.
    “Jesus really is a right wing religious zealot. That
    carpentry business that he and his father ran, they really didn’t
    build. They were helped by donkey carts.”


  20. RIX
    20 | August 31, 2012 12:28 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Perfect. Obama has just announced that he’s going Monday.

    That means that Romney is starting to control Obama.
    This is reactive from somebody who never would have
    gone on his own.


  21. 21 | August 31, 2012 12:34 pm

    @ RIX:

    You know very well Romney will meet with Jindal. And when Обама arrives, I hope Jindal blows him off!


  22. 22 | August 31, 2012 12:41 pm

    @ RIX:
    They’d bitch about the lack of diversity among the twelve disciples…


  23. NoThreat2U
    23 | August 31, 2012 12:43 pm

    @ RIX:
    @ Iron Fist:
    *GIGGLES*


  24. MikeA
    24 | August 31, 2012 12:50 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    They’d bitch about the lack of diversity among the twelve disciples…

    Except for Judas Iscariot… Him they would feel a special kindred spirit for…


  25. Alberta Oil Peon
    25 | August 31, 2012 12:53 pm

    The Soviets were rational people, and they loved their children. muslims, not so much.


  26. 26 | August 31, 2012 12:58 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Take a look at this!

    China—Not Wall Street—Caused 2008 Crisis: Study


  27. 27 | August 31, 2012 12:59 pm

    @ MikeA:
    Nah, Judas wasn’t gay or an abortionist. Gays and abortion are the twin themes of the Democrat convention, after all…


  28. RIX
    28 | August 31, 2012 12:59 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ RIX:
    You know very well Romney will meet with Jindal. And when Обама arrives, I hope Jindal blows him off!

    And Jidal would be within his rights.
    Obama has been very contentious with him.


  29. RIX
    29 | August 31, 2012 1:01 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    They’d bitch about the lack of diversity among the twelve disciples…

    No doubt & they only got there on the backs of the poor.


  30. 30 | August 31, 2012 1:09 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MikeA:
    Nah, Judas wasn’t gay or an abortionist. Gays and abortion are the twin themes of the Democrat convention, after all…

    “Everybody Fuck!
    Fuck! Fuck! Fuck!”

    See how all-inclusive the Demo☭rats are? 8)


  31. Speranza
    31 | August 31, 2012 1:10 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    They’d bitch about the lack of diversity among the twelve disciples…

    Like PMSNBC has lots of “people of color” with their own shows.


  32. 32 | August 31, 2012 1:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:

    Take a look at this!

    China—Not Wall Street—Caused 2008 Crisis: Study

    So how can we take advantage of the Chink in their Armor? There’s gotta be one ya know.
    I’ve got it! Tariffs up China’s ying-yang!


  33. 33 | August 31, 2012 1:12 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    They’d bitch about the lack of diversity among the twelve disciples…

    Like PMSNBC has lots of “people of color” with their own shows.

    And they all have the same color: Communist Red!


  34. 34 | August 31, 2012 1:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Take a look at this!
    China—Not Wall Street—Caused 2008 Crisis: Study

    Who told you this first… wink wink nod nod say no more… :wink:


  35. 35 | August 31, 2012 1:16 pm

    @ Speranza:
    They have Al Sharpton. That’s all they need. You don’t get more token than Al Sharpton …


  36. 36 | August 31, 2012 1:19 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Resist we much!


  37. 37 | August 31, 2012 1:19 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    They have Al Sharpton. That’s all they need. You don’t get more token than Al Sharpton …

    Sure you do, you get Barry “The Choom King” Soetoro… :twisted:


  38. 38 | August 31, 2012 1:22 pm

    Macker wrote:

    So how can we take advantage of the Chink in their Armor?

    RAAAAACIST!!!!

    /////


  39. 39 | August 31, 2012 1:29 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Yup!

    You should do a guest post on things you have called.


  40. 40 | August 31, 2012 1:32 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I’ll take Arthur Davis over Al Sharpton.


  41. 41 | August 31, 2012 1:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Yup!
    You should do a guest post on things you have called.

    Gadzooks no, people might start paying attention to what I say. Besides it would totally ruin my reputation as a dumb redneck washed up rock star… :razz:


  42. Lily
    42 | August 31, 2012 1:47 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Via ABC News:

    Romney to Visit Areas Damaged By Hurricane Isaac

    LAKELAND, Fla. — In a last-minute change of plans, Mitt Romney will head to visit storm-affected areas in New Orleans today, skipping a previously scheduled joint rally with running mate Paul Ryan in the battleground state of Virginia this afternoon.

    A Romney aide told ABC News that Romney will “join Gov. Jindal and will meet with first responders, thank them for their work and see areas impacted by the storm in LaFitte, La.”

    Jindal cancelled his plans earlier this week to attend the Republican National Convention after Hurricane Isaac moved up the Gulf Coast and wreaked damage across Louisiana. Two deaths have been reported in Louisiana as a result of the storm and widespread damage and flooding. The storm hit on the seven-year anniversary of Hurricane Katrina.

    The Romney campaign had been working to determine how they could visit the region throughout the week. The trip to New Orleans will be the maiden voyage of Romney’s new campaign plane.

    The White House has not announced any plans to visit the storm area.

    Perfect. Obama has just announced that he’s going Monday.

    Obama could give a crap about Louisiana…what has he said concerning the storm that dumped tons of rain in Louisiana….oh he had an interview with Reddit (spelling) while the storm was bashing Louisiana with heavy rain and basically stalled for a while. Yeah we feel your love obama for Louisiana/not. Him coming Monday is a disgrace to be honest.


  43. Lily
    43 | August 31, 2012 1:50 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I get the feeling that if Jesus Christ would have spoken
    at the RNC , the Media would have bashed Him.
    “Jesus really is a right wing religious zealot. That
    carpentry business that he and his father ran, they really didn’t
    build. They were helped by donkey carts.”

    Yep they would have. They are bashing the Republicans and staying away from obama’s failures or in this case what he wanted to transform the United States into a 2nd or 3rd world country.


  44. Lily
    44 | August 31, 2012 1:52 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Yup!
    You should do a guest post on things you have called.

    Gadzooks no, people might start paying attention to what I say. Besides it would totally ruin my reputation as a dumb redneck washed up rock star…

    No, no, no! It is your damn commie keyboard! Anyway you should do a guest post…tell it like it is!!!!!


  45. RIX
    45 | August 31, 2012 1:57 pm

    @ Lily:

    Yep they would have. They are bashing the Republicans and staying away from obama’s failures or in this case what he wanted to transform the United States into a 2nd or 3rd world country.

    The Dems have complete loons like Chris Matthews &
    Debbie Wasserman Schultz running around.
    Matthews thinks that even mentioning Chicago is racist.
    That’s a tough one because if my club gets to the World
    Series, they will have to be referred to as the “From an
    unknown location White Sox.”
    Schultz gets called on a lie about a newspaper story, but
    she was cool with it because that “should” have been the story


  46. Lily
    46 | August 31, 2012 2:00 pm

    @ RIX:

    Everything is racist is to them ..Holding Down the Fort
    Rule of thumb…saying Chicago…where will it end.
    /according to the obama administratiion he has divided this nation like I have never seen before..but he was suppose to be the great uniter…how has that been working out??? Badly.


  47. Speranza
    47 | August 31, 2012 2:01 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I get the feeling that if Jesus Christ would have spoken
    at the RNC , the Media would have bashed Him.
    “Jesus really is a right wing religious zealot. That
    carpentry business that he and his father ran, they really didn’t
    build. They were helped by donkey carts.”

    The more I study 20th century history,the more today’s Democratic Party reminds me of the Warsaw Pact political system.


  48. Speranza
    48 | August 31, 2012 2:02 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Everything is racist is to them ..Holding Down the Fort
    Rule of thumb…saying Chicago…where will it end.
    /according to the obama administratiion he has divided this nation like I have never seen before..but he was suppose to be the great uniter…how has that been working out??? Badly.

    Rush Limbaugh correctly said the other day that an obsession with race is the very definition of racism.


  49. 49 | August 31, 2012 2:03 pm

    RIX wrote:

    That’s a tough one becaues if my club gets to the World
    Series, they will have to be referred to as the “From an
    unkown location White Sox.”

    Or, you could alternately call it Anarchia….


  50. 50 | August 31, 2012 2:04 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The more I study 20th century history,the more today’s Democratic Party reminds me of the Warsaw Pact political system.

    Hence, my signature for the Demo☭rats…. 8)


  51. RIX
    51 | August 31, 2012 2:04 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The more I study 20th century history,the more today’s Democratic Party reminds me of the Warsaw Pact political system.

    They do, disinformation & outright lies.


  52. RIX
    52 | August 31, 2012 2:05 pm

    @ Macker:
    That would work.


  53. 53 | August 31, 2012 2:07 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    hey at least you don’t rant about Nazis on a daily occasion!


  54. RIX
    54 | August 31, 2012 2:07 pm

    @ Lily:
    Since the Zimmerman thing happened, racism has lost all
    meaning to me.
    They don’t care if he is actually guilty, they just
    demand a sacrifice.


  55. 55 | August 31, 2012 2:07 pm

    @ Speranza:

    You should do a thread on the comparisons.


  56. 56 | August 31, 2012 2:09 pm

    @ Speranza:
    @ RIX:
    @ Macker:

    OMG, the election is over!

    Chafee will speak at Dems’ convention as Obama backer


  57. 57 | August 31, 2012 2:15 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Boy, they’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren’t they? Chaffee? Oh he’ll change a lot of votes. We get Artur Davis and they get Lincoln Chaffee. I think we win that one.


  58. 58 | August 31, 2012 2:17 pm

    @ Rodan:
    @ Iron Fist:

    Iron Fist is right. We win that trade!


  59. lobo91
    59 | August 31, 2012 2:17 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Since the Zimmerman thing happened, racism has lost all
    meaning to me.
    They don’t care if he is actually guilty, they just
    demand a sacrifice.

    I think that all went out the window with the OJ Simpson case, personally.

    Even today, there’s almost a perfect split along racial lines as to whether people believe he was guilty.


  60. lobo91
    60 | August 31, 2012 2:19 pm

    God…now Alan Colmes is implying that calling phony “greens” watermelons (green on the outside, red on the inside) is racist.

    I’ve been using that term since before anyone ever heard of Obama.


  61. waldensianspirit
    61 | August 31, 2012 2:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    God…now Alan Colmes is implying that calling phony “greens” watermelons (green on the outside, red on the inside) is racist.
    I’ve been using that term since before anyone ever heard of Obama.

    One half of Skeltor’s face is racist toward the other half and vice versa


  62. citizen_q
    62 | August 31, 2012 2:31 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    God…now Alan Colmes is implying that calling phony “greens” watermelons (green on the outside, red on the inside) is racist.
    I’ve been using that term since before anyone ever heard of Obama.

    In a way it is good those low-lifes, such as that scum bag alan colmes, are resorting to blatantly false charges of racism for everything and anyone who disagree with them.

    The charge of racism seems to be the only arrow left if their quiver. Overuse in and of itself reduces its impact. Stretching as they are to make the charge will hasten to make it an empty joke.


  63. Speranza
    63 | August 31, 2012 2:33 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    God…now Alan Colmes is implying that calling phony “greens” watermelons (green on the outside, red on the inside) is racist.
    I’ve been using that term since before anyone ever heard of Obama.

    There is something rodent-like about Alan Colmes demeanor.


  64. Speranza
    64 | August 31, 2012 2:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    @ RIX:
    @ Macker:
    OMG, the election is over!
    Chafee will speak at Dems’ convention as Obama backer

    Lincoln Chafee is one big creep!


  65. Speranza
    65 | August 31, 2012 2:35 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    The more I study 20th century history,the more today’s Democratic Party reminds me of the Warsaw Pact political system.

    They do, disinformation & outright lies.

    Abusive political rhetoric and an inclination towards purges.


  66. Speranza
    66 | August 31, 2012 2:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    You should do a thread on the comparisons.

    I ought to. I am reading a book about the 1950′s purges in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Albania, Rumania and Bulgaria. We are all familiar with the 1930′s Soviet purges. Stalin was really freaked out over “Titoism” i.e. national communism.


  67. Speranza
    67 | August 31, 2012 2:37 pm

    If the RNC is smart, they will do an advertisemnt concerning Lincoln Chafee’s anti-Israel record when he was a Senator from Rhode Island.


  68. Speranza
    68 | August 31, 2012 2:38 pm

    I am surprised that Chuck Hagel is not listed as a speaker at the Democratic convention.


  69. AZfederalist
    69 | August 31, 2012 2:38 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    We love life, they love death. You can’t deter that.

    As an illustration, when you were growing up, did you ever have a waterfight with a kid who didn’t care if he got wet? Totally makes the game not fun and unwinnable. That is the kind of thing we are up against here on a much more mature and deadly scale.


  70. Speranza
    70 | August 31, 2012 2:39 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    We love life, they love death. You can’t deter that. You can and must destroy it if you want to live. The sooner we wake up to that, the fewer people have to die.

    All you can do is grant them their wish – kill them!


  71. AZfederalist
    71 | August 31, 2012 2:40 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Let us oblige them. ISLAM DELENDA EST!

    That’s not as extreme as it sounds. After all, no one would tolerate a resurgence of the Thuggee cult, why does civilization tolerate a cult that espouses the subjugation or destruction of those who do not accept the beliefs of that cult?


  72. AZfederalist
    72 | August 31, 2012 2:43 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Perfect. Obama has just announced that he’s going Monday.

    Good ol’ “I’ve got a bracelet too” leading from behind again.


  73. AZfederalist
    73 | August 31, 2012 2:46 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    redneck washed up rock star…

    Gotta contemplate that word combination there for a while …


  74. AZfederalist
    74 | August 31, 2012 2:49 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    We get Artur Davis and they get Lincoln Chaffee. I think we win that one

    They also got Charlie Crist. So basically we got Artur Davis, they got Chaffee and Crist and an un-named third round draft pick.


  75. 75 | August 31, 2012 2:50 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    Perfect. Obama has just announced that he’s going Monday.

    Good ol’ “I’ve got a bracelet too” leading from behind again.

    Romney’s campaign is running like a finely tuned Maserati while Obama’s is akin to abused MG.


  76. AZfederalist
    76 | August 31, 2012 2:51 pm

    I seem to be talking to myself here. Now I know how Lily feels.


  77. waldensianspirit
    77 | August 31, 2012 2:53 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    I seem to be talking to myself here. Now I know how Lily feels.

    It takes a certain skill :mrgreen:


  78. citizen_q
    78 | August 31, 2012 2:58 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    We love life, they love death. You can’t deter that. You can and must destroy it if you want to live. The sooner we wake up to that, the fewer people have to die.

    All you can do is grant them their wish – kill them!

    win win as far as I am concerned.


  79. Daffy Duck
    79 | August 31, 2012 3:01 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    But, Obungler *planned* his trip first:

    http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/carney-obama-louisiana-trip-planned-before-romneys-133998.html

    Hey, it’s the thought that counts.

    As Rush would say, “sybolism over substance.”


  80. RIX
    80 | August 31, 2012 3:06 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    @ RIX:
    @ Macker:
    OMG, the election is over!
    Chafee will speak at Dems’ convention as Obama backer

    And Gov. Charlie Crist too. We’re doomed


  81. Speranza
    81 | August 31, 2012 3:12 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    I seem to be talking to myself here. Now I know how Lily feels.

    Like McArthur, I have returned.


  82. Speranza
    82 | August 31, 2012 3:12 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    They also got Charlie Crist. So basically we got Artur Davis, they got Chaffee and Crist and an un-named third round draft pick.

    Chafee is a scum bucket, Crist is just a sun tan.


  83. 83 | August 31, 2012 3:17 pm

    @ RIX:
    Another loser. Again, we pulled in Artur Davis. They have a pantheon of losers. I think we win.


  84. Speranza
    84 | August 31, 2012 3:35 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Another loser. Again, we pulled in Artur Davis. They have a pantheon of losers. I think we win.

    They have a pantheon of nasty people as well.


  85. 85 | August 31, 2012 3:42 pm

    @ RIX:

    The migration from Republican to Democrat is flotsam and jetsam, while that from Democrat to Republican is an actual brain drain.


  86. unclassifiable
    86 | August 31, 2012 3:57 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    Obama is just inviting white guys.

    Does that make him RACISTS!!!??????


  87. 87 | August 31, 2012 3:59 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Let us oblige them. ISLAM DELENDA EST!

    They want to die. I’m okay with that.


  88. Speranza
    88 | August 31, 2012 4:01 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    @ AZfederalist:
    Obama is just inviting white guys.
    Does that make him RACISTS!!!??????

    Are they pasty faced white guys like a creep from Culver City?


  89. RIX
    89 | August 31, 2012 4:06 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ RIX:
    The migration from Republican to Democrat is flotsam and jetsam, while that from Democrat to Republican is an actual brain drain.

    True dat.


  90. unclassifiable
    90 | August 31, 2012 4:07 pm

    .@ Speranza:

    Well as you mentioned above Crist maintains one of those oompaloompa tans but he is still white. I guess that makes him toast.

    As for the Culver City Lump. Well that there is just your average grabastict piece of amphipian excrement.


  91. 91 | September 3, 2012 8:46 pm

    @ MacDuff:Libetarianism is pretty bad even without Stossel.

    Libertarians hate Israel (with a few honorable exceptions). They have justified Muslim terror. I have had many nasty arguments with them and as they do not argue logically, I clown around with them since I don’t want to lose my temper with them licking their lips at what they believe wll be the destruction of many of my family members in Israel. One of them is featured HERE.


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