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1972 Olympics Massacre: Germany’s secret contacts to Palestinian terrorists

by Speranza ( 151 Comments › )
Filed under Fatah, Germany, History, Terrorism at September 5th, 2012 - 2:00 pm

On the 40th anniversary of the Munich Massacre  (September 5, 1972), this long but interesting article from Der Spiegel is a must read.  However given the history of Willy Brandt’s appeasement of terrorists, can anyone actually say that they are surprised? The Germans were not the only ones who made deals with the Devil – the French and Greek governments also thought that Palestinian terrorists could be bought off.  We do know  (as was admitted during the film “One Day in September”) that the Brandt government was complicit in the Palestinian hijacking of a Lufthansa airliner so they could have an excuse to free the three Black September murderers that they were holding.  When I saw the photo of Brandt kneeling before the Warsaw Ghetto monument,  I was not impressed.

by Felix Bohr, Gunther Latsch and Klaus Wiegrefe

Eleven Israelis and one German police officer died in the Munich massacre of 1972, when Palestinian terrorists took Israeli athletes hostage at the Olympics. Now, government documents suggest that Germany maintained secret contacts with the organizers of the attack for years afterward and appeased the Palestinians to prevent further bloodshed on German soil.

In the busy streets of Beirut, the Lebanese capital, hardly anyone noticed the three Buick sedans that came to a stop just before the corner of Rue Verdun. Several couples got out of the cars. They were dressed casually and looked like tourists. Some of the people were in fact wearing blonde wigs and women’s clothing, which wasn’t recognizable from a distance.

In fact, the couples were all men, members of an Israeli special forces unit operating in enemy territory.

At about 1:30 a.m., they entered an apartment building. They rushed up the stairs to the upper floors, pulled Uzi submachine guns and explosives out from under their baggy clothing and received a radio message from their commander ordering them to blow open the doors to several apartments. They immediately opened fire, shooting and killing Abu Youssef, Kamal Nasser and Kamal Adwan, three senior officials with the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). Youssef’s wife and a female neighbor were also killed.

[........]

‘New Basis of Trust’

Operation Spring of Youth was part of a revenge campaign the Israelis waged against the backers of the Munich massacre of Sept. 5-6, 1972. Black September, a terrorist group with ties to the PLO, had killed 11 Israeli athletes and coaches in an attack during the Munich Olympics. After the Lebanon operation, the government in Tel Aviv gave the returning Israeli elite troops a hero’s welcome.

Walter Nowak, 48, the then German ambassador to Lebanon, condemned the Israeli action, saying that the dead Palestinians were among the most “rational and responsible” members of the PLO. A day after the retaliatory strike, the outraged diplomat wrote a letter to government authorities in Bonn, the then-German capital, saying that it was “not to be ruled out” that the Israelis had killed Abu Youssef and the others to hinder the peace process in the Middle East. “Those who don’t want to negotiate are bothered by those they might be expected to face in negotiations,” he wrote.

[......]

The Munich attack had occurred only six months earlier. Despite the still-vivid images of masked terrorists on the balconies of the Olympic Village and a burned-out helicopter on the tarmac at the NATO airbase at Fürstenfeldbruck, there was already active but secret diplomatic communication between Germans and Palestinians. West German representatives were talking to men like Abu Youssef, Ali Salameh and Amin al-Hindi, all of them masterminds of the Munich murders. Even the German Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA), which is obligated to prosecute criminals, was involved in meetings, according to documents in the Political Archives of the German Foreign Ministry and the Federal Archive in the western city of Koblenz, which SPIEGEL has now analyzed.

The motives were plain. Bonn knew that the Palestinians craved international recognition. Any contact with West German representatives, even in secret, upgraded the PLO’s status as an institution. In return, the government of then Chancellor Willy Brandt and Vice-Chancellor Walter Scheel hoped to protect Germany from further attacks. But the price they had to pay in return appears to have been high.

Spirit of Appeasement

In the coming weeks, during events to mark the 40th anniversary of the attack, the question will once again be raised as to why the German courts never tried any of the perpetrators or backers of the Munich massacre. The documents that are now available suggest one answer in particular: West Germany didn’t want to call them to account.

In the first few weeks after the attack, German government offices in Bonn were imbued with a spirit of appeasement. From the Israeli perspective, it felt like a bitter irony of history that it involved Munich — a city that became a symbol of the Western powers’ appeasement of Hitler after the Munich Agreement permitting Nazi Germany’s annexation of the Sudetenland was signed there in 1938.

Although the Munich attack involved multiple murders, the language in the files oddly downplays what happened there. Then-Chancellor Brandt is quoted as saying that the Olympic massacre was a “crazy incident,” while Paul Frank, a state secretary in the Foreign Ministry, refers to it simply as the “events in Munich.” Diplomats and senior Interior Ministry officials upgraded the status of Black September by calling it a “resistance group” — as if its acts of terror had been directed against Hitler and not Israeli civilians.

At the Foreign Ministry, in particular, some officials were apparently very sympathetic to the Palestinians. Walter Nowak, the German ambassador to Lebanon, once told Abu Youssef that the Germans were a people “with a substantial number of refugees,” because of the fact that ethnic Germans had been expelled from parts of Central and Eastern Europe after World War II. (Nowak himself was born in Silesia, which is now part of Poland, back when it belonged to Germany.) This, he added, made them more understanding of the Palestinian situation than other nations.

[.......]

‘The Munich Chapter Was Closed’

At the time, there were widespread fears of further attacks. The intelligence services regularly reported on plans to hijack German airliners. In most cases, they warned that hijackings could be used to secure the release of the three Olympic killers who had survived the firefight with the police in Fürstenfeldbruck.

And then, on Oct. 29, the warnings became reality. A group of PLO terrorists hijacked a Lufthansa flight en route to Frankfurt. The Bavarian state government immediately released the three prisoners, who were flown to Libya via Zagreb.

[........]

Frank pushed for a “fundamental clarification of the relationship with the Palestinians.” Because the conservative-led German government in the mid-1960s was considered pointedly pro-Israel, key Arab countries had broken off diplomatic relations with Bonn. Egypt and Algeria had only brought ambassadors back to Bonn shortly before the 1972 Olympics. Frank speculated that further attacks by Black September could threaten the German-Arab rapprochement. That, in turn, could jeopardize Germany’s oil supply and export contracts. This prompted Frank and his diplomats to seek direct contact with the PLO at the end of 1972, first in Cairo and then in Beirut.

While Chancellor Brandt issued a public promise to the Israelis that he would “not capitulate to terrorism,” Foreign Ministry sources suggest a different interpretation of events. Helmut Redies, a Middle East expert at the Foreign Ministry, merely asked the PLO to exclude West Germany and its citizens from its attacks. “It is critical to us that the Palestinians respect public safety in West Germany, and that no operations are conducted on the soil of the Federal Republic, or against German individuals and facilities abroad.”

Germany Did Not Push for Terrorist’s Extradition

PLO leader Yasser Arafat relented, and on January 1973, he made it clear that he had “officially decided” to comply with Germany’s wishes. In return, he asked to be allowed to send an envoy to Bonn. Arafat wanted to secure his influence among the several thousand Palestinians living in West Germany at the time, whose donations were one of his most important sources of funding. His wish was granted, and in 1975 Abdallah Frangi, an Arafat confidant who was the jovial son of a Bedouin, became the head of the so-called Palestine Information Office on Kaiserstrasse in Bonn.

The Black September terrorists had tried to reach Frangi several times by telephone on the day of the Olympic massacre. Frangi narrowly escaped death in a Mossad revenge attack in October 1972.

[........]

Frangi’s chutzpah was especially apparent ahead of the 1974 soccer World Cup, which was hosted by West Germany. According to the files, Frangi offered the Foreign Ministry a sort of anti-terror hotline. The PLO representative, who was married to a German woman from the western state of Hesse, explained that the Germans had nothing to fear in the way of attacks during the World Cup, because there were “no plans of this nature.” Nevertheless, he added, he would make himself “available” just in case, and could be reached at the home of his wife’s parents. In his memoirs, Frangi writes that the Munich murders were “no longer an issue” during talks in Bonn at the time.

Awkward Issue

This didn’t change when the French police arrested one of the main culprits in 1977. Abu Daoud, a teacher from Jerusalem, had coordinated the Black September operation in Munich and left the country on the morning of the attack. When the German Justice Ministry received an inquiry from Paris as to whether there was any interest in an extradition, it referred the request to the relevant authorities in Bavaria.

In Munich, Alfred Seidl, a senior official in the state’s Justice Ministry, recommended that Bonn support an extradition request by Israel instead of becoming directly involved. In this way, he argued, the German government “could possibly avoid having to issue its own extradition request or having Abu Daoud extradited to Germany.”

The matter became too awkward for the French after a few days, and they allowed Abu Daoud to fly to Algeria. They too were worried about attacks being carried out on their territory.

[.......]

In the fall of 1977, a member of Schmidt’s staff at the Chancellery even met with Ali Salameh, probably the key mastermind of the Munich attack. As a representative of the Palestinians, Salameh, nicknamed the “Red Prince,” demanded recognition of the PLO. In return, he offered that the PLO would not only distance itself from terrorism, but also become “actively involved in fighting terrorism.” To its credit, Bonn turned down the deal.

Tacit Permission

Whether or not Germany’s appeasement policy was a success is debatable. Despite Arafat’s guarantee of security, it was mostly luck and focused police work that prevented further PLO attacks in Germany or against Germans abroad. When in 1979 the police arrested 11 Palestinians with explosives in West Berlin and at a number of border crossings, Frangi’s friend, the armchair terrorist Hindi, asked the German Embassy in Beirut for a meeting. The files indicate that the mood was “relaxed and friendly.”

Hindi openly admitted that the men had had orders to send parcel bombs to Israel. He also said that he would continue to “conduct such operations against Israel” and that he would have to “use other countries as operating bases.” Hindi advised the Germans to take the Italians’ approach, saying that Rome “tacitly” allowed him and his compatriots to operate in Italy.

What happened after that remains one of the secrets of the former West Germany. It is clear that the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) cooperated with the PLO, as evidenced by a telex from the embassy in Beirut reporting on a meeting between Hindi and a BKA official on June 14, 1980. According to the message, Hindi complained that the press had gotten wind of the connections between the PLO and the BKA. He also claimed that the leak was on the German side. An indiscretion like this could jeopardize cooperation, Hindi threatened, telling the BKA official that either the two organizations “continue working together in secret, or not at all.”

Hindi died of cancer in 2010, and most of the others behind the Munich massacre are now dead, as well. One of the three terrorists whose release the PLO secured by hijacking a Lufthansa flight occasionally appears in documentary films. There is still a German warrant out for his arrest, but there is nothing to suggest that German authorities have ever tried to find him.

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  1. 1 | September 5, 2012 2:01 pm

    Thank you, Speranza.


  2. Speranza
    2 | September 5, 2012 2:12 pm

    @ Kafir:
    Danke. It is an anniversary that should be remembered.


  3. Speranza
    3 | September 5, 2012 2:13 pm

    They are all gone.


  4. Speranza
    4 | September 5, 2012 2:15 pm

    ABC 1972 Munich Massacre Coverage


  5. Speranza
    5 | September 5, 2012 2:17 pm

    Paradoxes, Ironies, and Other Wonders
    http://goodandmangled.blogspot.com/2006/09/connollystrasse-31.html

    I approached Connollystrasse 31 in Munich today with a sense of dread and foreboding similar to what I recall when the bus I was riding on from Cracow to Auschwitz neared its goal. In both cases I was drawn onward by a fascination and need to see a historical site firsthand, but I also recoiled at the thought of seeing the place where something so horrible had occurred.

    Connollystrasse 31 nowadays is, as a sign out front will tell you, the guest house for the Max Planck Society, Germany’s institute for the support of cutting-edge scholarship in many disciplines. In 1972, Connollystrasse 31 housed the athletes of the Israeli delegation to the games of the 20th Olympiad. They were assaulted here by a team of Palestinian guerrillas. Two Israelis were murdered in this apartment, and nine more were murdered at the Fürstenfeldbruck airport west of Munich when a poorly organized and executed rescue attempt by the German police collapsed in chaos, failure, and death. One of the German policemen was also killed at Fürstenfeldbruck.
    [.......]


  6. Speranza
  7. Speranza
    7 | September 5, 2012 2:32 pm

    The Munich Massacre: A survivor’s story


  8. Speranza
    8 | September 5, 2012 2:42 pm

    The German rescue mission was pathetic.


  9. Speranza
    9 | September 5, 2012 2:47 pm

    One terrorist, Jamal al-Gashey is still alive. I still have hopes that Mossad will kill him (and in a most cruel fashion).


  10. Speranza
    10 | September 5, 2012 2:48 pm

    Is everyone digesting their food?


  11. yenta-fada
    11 | September 5, 2012 2:50 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Germany and Israel mark Munich massacre in ceremonies

    Ceremonies before an audience of 500 people? Seems like the value of Jews as perennial scapegoats keeps rising. Humanity and decency, as measured by respect, are sinking as we speak. I’m glad that you marked the day, and not surprised by what it all says.


  12. yenta-fada
    12 | September 5, 2012 2:53 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Is everyone digesting their food?

    The whole blog seems to get fewer posts. You must get frustrated. Your work is very very good, and I appreciate it.


  13. yenta-fada
    14 | September 5, 2012 3:04 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Any comparison of the Muslim Brotherhood to the Nazis is purely coincidental. /

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EGYPT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-04-17-00-34


  14. Speranza
    15 | September 5, 2012 3:18 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Is everyone digesting their food?

    The whole blog seems to get fewer posts. You must get frustrated. Your work is very very good, and I appreciate it.

    Thanks. However it does tend to kill ones enthusiasm.


  15. Speranza
    16 | September 5, 2012 3:18 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Any comparison of the Muslim Brotherhood to the Nazis is purely coincidental. /
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EGYPT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-04-17-00-34

    They are blood brothers.


  16. Speranza
    17 | September 5, 2012 3:27 pm

    That Spielberg movie “Munich” which portrayed the Israeli avengers as the band that couldn’t shoot straight filled with remorse, was pure B.S.


  17. yenta-fada
    18 | September 5, 2012 3:29 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    Is everyone digesting their food?
    The whole blog seems to get fewer posts. You must get frustrated. Your work is very very good, and I appreciate it.
    Thanks. However it does tend to kill ones enthusiasm.

    In any volunteer organization I’ve ever seen, a few people do the lion’s share of the work. OTOH, the people I know who have been at the top of large charities that collect money for ‘good causes’ get huge paychecks and perks. It’s a strange world. I’m still trying to grasp it. lol


  18. 19 | September 5, 2012 3:30 pm

    Terrorism works. That is the lesson from Munich, and that is the lesson of 9-11. Unless you are willing to terrorize the terrorists and their supporters they will win a confrontation with civilized people.


  19. buzzsawmonkey
    20 | September 5, 2012 3:30 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    That Spielberg movie “Munich” which portrayed the Israeli avengers as the band that couldn’t shoot straight filled with remorse, was pure B.S.

    Once you’ve said “Spielberg,” saying “pure B.S.” is wholly redundant.


  20. yenta-fada
    21 | September 5, 2012 3:36 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Terrorism works. That is the lesson from Munich, and that is the lesson of 9-11. Unless you are willing to terrorize the terrorists and their supporters they will win a confrontation with civilized people.

    upding. (I miss a bit of upding now and then)


  21. Speranza
    22 | September 5, 2012 3:39 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    In any volunteer organization I’ve ever seen, a few people do the lion’s share of the work. OTOH, the people I know who have been at the top of large charities that collect money for ‘good causes’ get huge paychecks and perks. It’s a strange world. I’m still trying to grasp it. lol

    I know. I worked for many years at a non profit organization we used to say “nonprofit for us, not the higher ups”.


  22. Speranza
    23 | September 5, 2012 3:40 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Terrorism works. That is the lesson from Munich, and that is the lesson of 9-11. Unless you are willing to terrorize the terrorists and their supporters they will win a confrontation with civilized people.

    Terrorism works -- yes it does, and terrorism can only be emboldened when a Barack Obama is in the White House.


  23. yenta-fada
    24 | September 5, 2012 3:41 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    That Spielberg movie “Munich” which portrayed the Israeli avengers as the band that couldn’t shoot straight filled with remorse, was pure B.S.
    Once you’ve said “Spielberg,” saying “pure B.S.” is wholly redundant.

    Kal Penn, John Leguizamo, Tony Shalhoub . . . Boy, the DNC can bring in the celebrities by the boatload. The ‘A’ list is finding The Emperor toxic and don’t want to get any on themselves.
    a bit toxic.


  24. Speranza
    25 | September 5, 2012 3:41 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    That Spielberg movie “Munich” which portrayed the Israeli avengers as the band that couldn’t shoot straight filled with remorse, was pure B.S.

    Once you’ve said “Spielberg,” saying “pure B.S.” is wholly redundant.

    Besides the politically correct B.S. -- it was not a very good film.


  25. Speranza
    26 | September 5, 2012 3:43 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    John Leguizamao -- wow that should ace the election for them right there!


  26. yenta-fada
    27 | September 5, 2012 3:44 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Terrorism works. That is the lesson from Munich, and that is the lesson of 9-11. Unless you are willing to terrorize the terrorists and their supporters they will win a confrontation with civilized people.

    I find that the politically correct Police forces of the Western word have been guarding the terrorists whenever there is a public demonstration. That is another problem.


  27. buzzsawmonkey
    28 | September 5, 2012 3:45 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Besides the politically correct B.S. – it was not a very good film.

    Didn’t see it. I’ve never been a fan of Spielberg’s; he was better than Coppola, who is a complete slob as a filmmaker—but only because he had the wit to steal more from much earlier and better filmmakers than he. In the world of the blind, the one-eyed man is king, so Spielberg, a dwarf among Lilliputians, has been hailed as a genius.


  28. yenta-fada
    29 | September 5, 2012 3:46 pm

    500 Muslims bent on converting people to Islam descend on the London Olympics. Let the Christians try this one:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QpGPSx-hQjo#!


  29. buzzsawmonkey
  30. yenta-fada
    31 | September 5, 2012 3:48 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    One day I will ask you to do me a favor…….


  31. yenta-fada
    32 | September 5, 2012 3:52 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    And I’m going to pimp this yet again, because it is that good.

    It is a punch to the stomach good! What about sending it to The Jerusalem Post? You deserve a much larger audience. In fact, they need YOU.


  32. 33 | September 5, 2012 3:52 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    @ Speranza:

    They have Natalie Portman and Scarlett Johanason speaking as well.

    It’s about Obama the cool hip philosopher king.


  33. huckfunn
    34 | September 5, 2012 3:53 pm

    And now for the Cheeto news:
    Man stabbed to death over bag of Cheetos on Washington Avenue downtown.
    That’s an off-the-rack DOD thread right there.


  34. citizen_q
    35 | September 5, 2012 3:53 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Terrorism works – yes it does, and terrorism can only be emboldened when a Barack Obama is in the White House.

    There are plenty of enablers. on both sides of the aisle. Condi Rice and mccain come to mind right off.


  35. buzzsawmonkey
    36 | September 5, 2012 3:57 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    It is a punch to the stomach good! What about sending it to The Jerusalem Post? You deserve a much larger audience. In fact, they need YOU.

    Don’t know anyone there to send it to. If I can find Caroline Glick’s email, I might send it to her.


  36. Speranza
  37. Speranza
    38 | September 5, 2012 4:00 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Didn’t see it. I’ve never been a fan of Spielberg’s; he was better than Coppola, who is a complete slob as a filmmaker—but only because he had the wit to steal more from much earlier and better filmmakers than he. In the world of the blind, the one-eyed man is king, so Spielberg, a dwarf among Lilliputians, has been hailed as a genius.

    I saw “Munich” when my friend bought the bootleg copy for $5 on the streets of Chinatown.


  38. huckfunn
    39 | September 5, 2012 4:01 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    It is a punch to the stomach good! What about sending it to The Jerusalem Post? You deserve a much larger audience. In fact, they need YOU.

    Don’t know anyone there to send it to. If I can find Caroline Glick’s email, I might send it to her.

    Here ya go. caroline@carolineglick.com
    It’s on her website.


  39. yenta-fada
    40 | September 5, 2012 4:01 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    She’s great. I’ll look around for her addy.


  40. Speranza
    41 | September 5, 2012 4:01 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Complete vomit!


  41. Speranza
    42 | September 5, 2012 4:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    @ Speranza:
    They have Natalie Portman and Scarlett Johanason speaking as well.
    It’s about Obama the cool hip philosopher king.

    Scarlett Johansson is a blithering idiot, I have seen her interviews.


  42. yenta-fada
    43 | September 5, 2012 4:03 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Complete vomit!

    Out in the open with people listening to that crap like it was…..gospel.


  43. Speranza
    44 | September 5, 2012 4:04 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Terrorism works – yes it does, and terrorism can only be emboldened when a Barack Obama is in the White House.

    There are plenty of enablers. on both sides of the aisle. Condi Rice and mccain come to mind right off.

    I never understood the Condi Rice enthusiasm that so many on the Right have.


  44. 45 | September 5, 2012 4:05 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    It’s up now.


  45. 46 | September 5, 2012 4:05 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Only the elites love Condi. Most on the Right despise her. She’s an Arab loving National Building idiot.


  46. yenta-fada
    47 | September 5, 2012 4:06 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    @ Speranza:
    They have Natalie Portman and Scarlett Johanason speaking as well.
    It’s about Obama the cool hip philosopher king.
    Scarlett Johansson is a blithering idiot, I have seen her interviews.

    Those ‘celebrities’ just read the scripts. Portman is bright, but lives in the kool-aid world. Acting is NOT THAT HARD. Really, it’s not.


  47. Speranza
    48 | September 5, 2012 4:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Only the elites love Condi. Most on the Right despise her. She’s an Arab loving National Building idiot.

    I do not think she is a bad woman, only that she is extremely overrated and naive. She is pure “Bush family” all the way!


  48. yenta-fada
    49 | September 5, 2012 4:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Only the elites love Condi. Most on the Right despise her. She’s an Arab loving National Building idiot.

    She’s an academic and, as such, never had to make a real decision. That’s why she was a natural for politics. A very bad choice for such an important job. Mind you, watching Clinton….. More romancing the Arabs.


  49. Speranza
    50 | September 5, 2012 4:13 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Those ‘celebrities’ just read the scripts. Portman is bright, but lives in the kool-aid world. Acting is NOT THAT HARD. Really, it’s not.

    Correct. All they do is read other peoples lines. Still she is half Israeli and I am disappointed in her.


  50. Speranza
    51 | September 5, 2012 4:14 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    Complete vomit!

    Out in the open with people listening to that crap like it was…..gospel.

    Yet the British seem to reserve their hatred for Israel who never harmed them and does not wish them any ill.


  51. yenta-fada
    52 | September 5, 2012 4:14 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    Only the elites love Condi. Most on the Right despise her. She’s an Arab loving National Building idiot.
    I do not think she is a bad woman, only that she is extremely overrated and naive. She is pure “Bush family” all the way!

    When you think about it, Presidents need people they can trust around them. Bammy can trust Jarrett and Mooch to bring Stalinism to the masses to punish America.


  52. 53 | September 5, 2012 4:15 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I despise her.


  53. Speranza
    54 | September 5, 2012 4:15 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    She’s an academic and, as such, never had to make a real decision. That’s why she was a natural for politics. A very bad choice for such an important job. Mind you, watching Clinton….. More romancing the Arabs.

    She is an expert on a nation (the U.S.S.R.) which no longer exists.


  54. Speranza
    55 | September 5, 2012 4:16 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I despise her.

    Let her go back to academia and playing piano (of which I hear she is quite accomplished).


  55. Speranza
    56 | September 5, 2012 4:17 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    When you think about it, Presidents need people they can trust around them. Bammy can trust Jarrett and Mooch to bring Stalinism to the masses to punish America.

    It’s funny how Mooch banned Oprah Winfrey but keeps Valerie Jarrett around.


  56. The Osprey
    57 | September 5, 2012 4:17 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Kafir:
    Danke. It is an anniversary that should be remembered.

    I was 12 years old when this happened, and I remember it like it was yesterday. 40 Years. A generation ago. I’m tired of the appeasement of the Palestinians. Arafat was the Godfather of terrorism.


  57. yenta-fada
    58 | September 5, 2012 4:17 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    Complete vomit!
    Out in the open with people listening to that crap like it was…..gospel.
    Yet the British seem to reserve their hatred for Israel who never harmed them and does not wish them any ill.

    It seems relatively easy to make a Brit feel guilty for Colonialism. I’m not talking about the upper crust. The latter are historically Jew haters. Disraeli wouldn’t have lasted 10 minutes without Queen Victoria’s reliance on him.


  58. 59 | September 5, 2012 4:18 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Historically the British Elite (not the people) tended to look down on anyone who was Southern European/Mediterranean like the Spanish, East European like the Russians. They have a historical soft spot for the Muslims. Jews are Mediterranean and are fighting their historical Islamic allies, so they despise them.


  59. Speranza
    60 | September 5, 2012 4:18 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    I was 12 years old when this happened, and I remember it like it was yesterday. 40 Years. A generation ago. I’m tired of the appeasement of the Palestinians. Arafat was the Godfather of terrorism.

    I was 5 days short of my 19th birthday and I can still see it all in slow motion. there was no VCR’s, DVR’s, 24 hour cable stations or the Internet but we bonded so well with ABC’s Jim McKay (R.I.P.).


  60. The Osprey
    61 | September 5, 2012 4:18 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    That Spielberg movie “Munich” which portrayed the Israeli avengers as the band that couldn’t shoot straight filled with remorse, was pure B.S.

    I have deliberately avoided watching that movie.


  61. Speranza
    62 | September 5, 2012 4:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Historically the British Elite (not the people) tended to look down on anyone who was Southern European/Mediterranean like the Spanish, East European like the Russians. They have a historical soft spot for the Muslims. Jews are Mediterranean and are fighting their historical Islamic allies, so they despise them.

    Their attitude towards the Arabs/Muslims has always been condescending and patronizing. I have a thread in draft that I am working on which will explore this phenomenom.


  62. 63 | September 5, 2012 4:19 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    The Ottomans where on their knees in 1878 against Russia. The British sent their fleet to prevent the Russians from liberating Constantinople. Their elites have always had a soft spot for the Muslims. If Israel was Catholic, they would despise that nation just the same. Anyone who fights Islam is considered bad to the British Elite.


  63. Speranza
    64 | September 5, 2012 4:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    The Ottomans where on their knees in 1878 against Russia. The British sent their fleet to prevent the Russians from liberating Constantinople. Their elites have always had a soft spot for the Muslims. If Israel was Catholic, they would despise that nation just the same. Anyone who fights Islam is considered bad to the British Elite.

    How sad and pathetic -- an inability to distinguish friends and foes. The State of Israel wishes Britain no harm at all.


  64. 65 | September 5, 2012 4:21 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Maybe so, but the fact remains, they always side with Islamic interest against Catholics, Orthodox and now Jews. The British have been Islam’s biggest friends in the west going back to Elizabeth the 1st.


  65. yenta-fada
    66 | September 5, 2012 4:21 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    When you think about it, Presidents need people they can trust around them. Bammy can trust Jarrett and Mooch to bring Stalinism to the masses to punish America.
    It’s funny how Mooch banned Oprah Winfrey but keeps Valerie Jarrett around.

    Mooch is a jealous and vindictive beyotch. Oprah earned her money and Ozero adores the celebrity cult. Jarrett is some kind of Svengali, or as you have said, a Rasputin. She got both Obamas where they wanted to go and beyond. I was reading last night that Jarrett even follows the Obamas into their private quarters in the WH. It’s all a freak show.


  66. Speranza
    67 | September 5, 2012 4:22 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    That Spielberg movie “Munich” which portrayed the Israeli avengers as the band that couldn’t shoot straight filled with remorse, was pure B.S.

    I have deliberately avoided watching that movie.

    Besides being historical bull shit, it really was a purely crafted film. Spielberg is strange, he could be brilliant at times (Jaws, E.T.), ok (Saving Private Ryan), and awful (Munich, 1941).


  67. yenta-fada
    68 | September 5, 2012 4:23 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    That Spielberg movie “Munich” which portrayed the Israeli avengers as the band that couldn’t shoot straight filled with remorse, was pure B.S.
    I have deliberately avoided watching that movie.

    So have I. If I want gratuitous violence, I’ll look for something that doesn’t include dead Jews.


  68. 69 | September 5, 2012 4:24 pm

    @ Speranza:

    It was the same with Serbia in the 90′s The British were the ones who lead the demonetization of Serbia. 2 Million black Christians were killed in the Sudan and the British didn’t say anything about it.

    The British press is basically Pro-Islamic. Look at the demonization of the EDL.


  69. 70 | September 5, 2012 4:24 pm

    @ The Osprey:
    @ Speranza:

    I refuse to watch Munich.


  70. Speranza
    71 | September 5, 2012 4:24 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Mooch is a jealous and vindictive beyotch. Oprah earned her money and Ozero adores the celebrity cult. Jarrett is some kind of Svengali, or as you have said, a Rasputin. She got both Obamas where they wanted to go and beyond. I was reading last night that Jarrett even follows the Obamas into their private quarters in the WH. It’s all a freak show.

    She is pro Palestinian and plays a large part in his foreign policy decisions even though she has no background or training in international affairs.


  71. Speranza
    72 | September 5, 2012 4:25 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ The Osprey:
    @ Speranza:
    I refuse to watch Munich.

    Considering it was released in 2005 (I believe) it is a rather moot point. I think occasionally it shows up on Cable TV.


  72. 73 | September 5, 2012 4:25 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    @ Speranza:

    Another example is how much the British love Obama. He craps on them, yet they still love him. Romney who would be a real friend, they crap on him.


  73. yenta-fada
    74 | September 5, 2012 4:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    The Ottomans where on their knees in 1878 against Russia. The British sent their fleet to prevent the Russians from liberating Constantinople. Their elites have always had a soft spot for the Muslims. If Israel was Catholic, they would despise that nation just the same. Anyone who fights Islam is considered bad to the British Elite.

    Someone should write a book about the British love for Islam and put it in the historical context you do. Enough of this ‘clash of civilizations’ bs. Only one is civilized.


  74. 75 | September 5, 2012 4:26 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yes I change the channel.


  75. 76 | September 5, 2012 4:27 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Phillip Daniels wrote about it in the comments a few times.


  76. yenta-fada
    77 | September 5, 2012 4:29 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    Mooch is a jealous and vindictive beyotch. Oprah earned her money and Ozero adores the celebrity cult. Jarrett is some kind of Svengali, or as you have said, a Rasputin. She got both Obamas where they wanted to go and beyond. I was reading last night that Jarrett even follows the Obamas into their private quarters in the WH. It’s all a freak show.
    She is pro Palestinian and plays a large part in his foreign policy decisions even though she has no background or training in international affairs.

    Remember, she was born and partially raised in Iran. Why did her father choose to practice in Iran? Obviously they have the money to erase their personal history as much as possible. They just love rich totalitarians. I mean….the oppressed masses.


  77. bluliner10
    78 | September 5, 2012 4:29 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Terrorism works. That is the lesson from Munich, and that is the lesson of 9-11. Unless you are willing to terrorize kill the terrorists and their supporters they will win a confrontation with civilized people.

    Funny how this idea keeps coming back around. Wow, sorry fixed it for ya! I was on a tirade, but I had to back off. Don’t want to say something that gets me in trouble for contempt.


  78. buzzsawmonkey
    79 | September 5, 2012 4:30 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Thanks! I’ll send it along to her.


  79. yenta-fada
    80 | September 5, 2012 4:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Phillip Daniels wrote about it in the comments a few times.

    Yes, I miss Phillip. He is obviously fully engaged in his offline life which is very appropriate at his age.


  80. The Osprey
    81 | September 5, 2012 4:32 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    Terrorism works. That is the lesson from Munich, and that is the lesson of 9-11. Unless you are willing to terrorize the terrorists and their supporters they will win a confrontation with civilized people.
    I find that the politically correct Police forces of the Western word have been guarding the terrorists whenever there is a public demonstration. That is another problem.

    Look what happened to the EDL this weekend.


  81. yenta-fada
    82 | September 5, 2012 4:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    @ Speranza:
    Another example is how much the British love Obama. He craps on them, yet they still love him. Romney who would be a real friend, they crap on him.

    Fabian Socialists and utopians didn’t really do Britain any favors. I like George Bernard Shaw as a playwright, but he was apparently an unpleasant vegetarian mysoginist in real life. (not that there’s anything wrong in that)


  82. lobo91
    83 | September 5, 2012 4:34 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Phillip Daniels wrote about it in the comments a few times.

    Yes, I miss Phillip. He is obviously fully engaged in his offline life which is very appropriate at his age.

    I want an offline life…


  83. yenta-fada
    84 | September 5, 2012 4:34 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Thanks! I’ll send it along to her.

    Fabulous idea.


  84. buzzsawmonkey
    85 | September 5, 2012 4:35 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Jarrett is some kind of Svengali, or as you have said, a Rasputin. She got both Obamas where they wanted to go and beyond. I was reading last night that Jarrett even follows the Obamas into their private quarters in the WH. It’s all a freak show.

    Jarrett’s grandfather was Robert Taylor, much involved in building Chicago public housing; the now-demolished Robert Taylor Homes on the South Side (childhood home of Mr. T) were named after him. Taylor was a communist who worked with Obama’s communist mentor Frank Marshall Davis when Davis was in Chicago, as did Vernon Jarrett, Valerie Jarrett’s father-in-law.


  85. yenta-fada
    86 | September 5, 2012 4:36 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Me too, lobo. Truly.


  86. Speranza
    87 | September 5, 2012 4:37 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Fabian Socialists and utopians didn’t really do Britain any favors. I like George Bernard Shaw as a playwright, but he was apparently an unpleasant vegetarian mysoginist in real life. (not that there’s anything wrong in that)

    George Bernard Shaw also was a Stalin cheerleader.


  87. lobo91
    88 | September 5, 2012 4:38 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Do they sell those at Amazon?


  88. buzzsawmonkey
    89 | September 5, 2012 4:39 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    George Bernard Shaw also was a Stalin cheerleader.

    I may be misremembering, but I believe he was pro-Hitler early on, too—and, of course, not over-fond of Jews, and very pro-eugenics.


  89. RIX
    90 | September 5, 2012 4:39 pm

    Way off topic. When Michelle Obama spoke about her
    background, she was not entirely honest.
    When her father went to work at the pumping station
    he did not get up early and put on his “uniform”.
    They did not & do not wear uniforms.
    Also they were not poor, those are well paying Civil
    Service jobs.


  90. yenta-fada
    91 | September 5, 2012 4:39 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I read that mayor Daley fired Jarrett for incompetence when she was at the Chicago Housing Authority. So, is she a master crook? It’s a story about who-knows-who we are not likely to hear.


  91. lobo91
    92 | September 5, 2012 4:40 pm

    @ RIX:

    Another “composite character,” no doubt


  92. yenta-fada
    93 | September 5, 2012 4:41 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Way off topic. When Michelle Obama spoke about her
    background, she was not entirely honest.
    When her father went to work at the pumping station
    he did not get up early and put on his “uniform”.
    They did not & do not wear uniforms.
    Also they were not poor, those are well paying Civil
    Service jobs.

    She also said that Ozero’s mother was a bank secretary. My understanding was that she was the VP of a bank when Zero came to live with her. They lie like they breathe. All the time.


  93. lobo91
    94 | September 5, 2012 4:42 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Is it possible to be a Chicago pol and not be a master crook?


  94. yenta-fada
    95 | September 5, 2012 4:42 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Do they sell those at Amazon?

    For sure not in Canada. /


  95. yenta-fada
    96 | September 5, 2012 4:45 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Good catch! This problem does not get any press. We should have a thread on it. hint.


  96. lobo91
    97 | September 5, 2012 4:45 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    They lie like they breathe. All the time.

    Of course, when it comes to Obama and his inner circle, they have to lie.

    Even the Democrats would reject him if they knew the truth.


  97. 98 | September 5, 2012 4:45 pm

    It’s amazing to me that my “unconscious” remembers what my conscious does not. I remembered today was significant for some reason and that whatever the event was, it made me sad. But I’ve been overwhelmed at work and didn’t go over at the blogs for awhile

    Thank you, Speranza. Forty years later and I can remember the anguish I felt all that day as if it were happening today.


  98. Speranza
    99 | September 5, 2012 4:46 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Is it possible to be a Chicago pol and not be a master crook?

    That is quite the conundrum.


  99. buzzsawmonkey
    100 | September 5, 2012 4:46 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Is it possible to be a Chicago pol and not be a master crook?

    If you subscribe to the difference between honest graft and dishonest graft, maybe.


  100. Speranza
    101 | September 5, 2012 4:46 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Thank you, Speranza. Forty years later and I can remember the anguish I felt all that day as if it were happening today.

    It was one of the worst days of my life.


  101. 102 | September 5, 2012 4:47 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    In Soviet America the Government owns YOU.

    What say you counselor?


  102. lobo91
    103 | September 5, 2012 4:48 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Is it possible to be a Chicago pol and not be a master crook?

    That is quite the conundrum.

    Since Obama’s not a master crook, he had to make do with being president, rather than something really important like mayor of Chicago.


  103. Speranza
    104 | September 5, 2012 4:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Since Obama’s not a master crook, he had to make do with being president, rather than something really important like mayor of Chicago.

    His original goal was to be Mayor of Chicago. I wish he had achieved that.


  104. Speranza
    105 | September 5, 2012 4:56 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    George Bernard Shaw also was a Stalin cheerleader.

    I may be misremembering, but I believe he was pro-Hitler early on, too—and, of course, not over-fond of Jews, and very pro-eugenics.

    George Bernard Shaw Speaks on Hitler and Germany 1935


  105. buzzsawmonkey
    106 | September 5, 2012 5:01 pm

    @ Speranza:

    It is likely that Shaw, as an Irishman, had a deep subterranean hatred of England very similar to that which even many successful black Americans harbor towards the US.


  106. citizen_q
    107 | September 5, 2012 5:01 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Remember, she was born and partially raised in Iran. Why did her father choose to practice in Iran? Obviously they have the money to erase their personal history as much as possible. They just love rich totalitarians. I mean….the oppressed masses.

    interesting juxtaposition looking at hillary’s huma abedin.

    It seems our government is infiltrated significantly by muzzlims with brotherhood and other jihadist ties.


  107. yenta-fada
    108 | September 5, 2012 5:06 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    Remember, she was born and partially raised in Iran. Why did her father choose to practice in Iran? Obviously they have the money to erase their personal history as much as possible. They just love rich totalitarians. I mean….the oppressed masses.
    interesting juxtaposition looking at hillary’s huma abedin.
    It seems our government is infiltrated significantly by muzzlims with brotherhood and other jihadist ties.

    ya’ think?

    http://republicanredefined.com/2011/05/02/john-brennan-white-house-briefing-on-osama-bin-laden-kill-capture-operation-burial/


  108. citizen_q
    109 | September 5, 2012 5:07 pm

    @ Speranza:
    I will let this loathsome swine speak for himself. There are probably better clips of this, but I don’t have the time to dig.

    Death panels are not a new concept.


  109. 110 | September 5, 2012 5:09 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    If you wait long enough, they’ll show you the face they try desperately to hide. Obama’s done that a couple of times already. The media acts like Pravda -- they will not only cover his tracks, but they will continually tell us -- with a straight face no less -- that we did not hear what we know we heard. This wasn’t a slip of the tongue -- they really believe this.

    Remember Maxine Waters? She slipped up at a Congressional hearing and said she wanted to nationalize the oil companies. Obama meant every word of “you didn’t build that” -- he just wasn’t prepared for the backlash and tried to tap dance his way out of it. I notice they always play the SECOND “you didn’t do that” soundbite and not the first -- where he pays homage to the collective for putting a road by your house paid for by your tax dollars.

    And “Julia’s” name might as well have been Svetlana.


  110. citizen_q
    111 | September 5, 2012 5:09 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Did I understate that just a bit?


  111. 112 | September 5, 2012 5:11 pm

    Democrats reinstate “Jerusalem is capitol of Israel” language.
    Now if they can just find a way to erase all of Crackhead
    Barbie’s statements about what the Israeli Ambassador said.


  112. buzzsawmonkey
    113 | September 5, 2012 5:14 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Now if they can just find a way to erase all of Crackhead
    Barbie’s statements about what the Israeli Ambassador said.

    They can say she was drunk at the time—she usually sounds like it—and chalk it up to Debbie Wasserman Schlitz.


  113. citizen_q
    114 | September 5, 2012 5:14 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Democrats reinstate “Jerusalem is capitol of Israel” language.

    Really?

    Well, I feel soooo much better, I know the demoncraps mean what they say. /


  114. 115 | September 5, 2012 5:20 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    We need to find the video. They went to a voice vote three times on reinstating God and Jerusalem in the platform and the NO’s and the BOO’s outnumbered the “Yea’s” all three times but they put it in anyway.

    Daily Blaze might have it -- Rodan, this is threadworthy.

    MarKKKos Moulitsas already tweeting that they caved to conservatives.
    HUH????


  115. rain of lead
    116 | September 5, 2012 5:21 pm

    hey ya’ll
    go check instapundit
    he has a story about some group that is claiming to have stolen mitt romneys
    tax returns and are claiming they will release thim


  116. 117 | September 5, 2012 5:23 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    How is she polling in her district, anyone know?
    BTW since he’s running against another Democrat (due to Cali’s new primary system) we’re all hoping that Pete Stark will finally be put out to pasture here in Northern California.


  117. citizen_q
    118 | September 5, 2012 5:25 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    MarKKKos Moulitsas already tweeting that they caved to conservatives.

    I bet they are thinking more of their fund raising.

    The dimms hate Jews, but love the money from Jewish donors.

    Off to do yard work!


  118. RIX
    119 | September 5, 2012 5:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Another “composite character,” no doubt

    No doubt


  119. RIX
    120 | September 5, 2012 5:28 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Right.


  120. rain of lead
    121 | September 5, 2012 5:29 pm

    @ rain of lead:

    we know obama has mitts tax returns
    the IRS is part of the ex. brance
    could this be the way they are leaking them to the public?


  121. huckfunn
    122 | September 5, 2012 5:30 pm

    Great vid from Zombie at PJM. Interviewer axes peeps at the dim convention “how do you feel about being owned by the government?” Here are their sad enthusiastic responses:


  122. 123 | September 5, 2012 5:34 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    We need to find the video. They went to a voice vote three times on reinstating God and Jerusalem in the platform and the NO’s and the BOO’s outnumbered the “Yea’s” all three times but they put it in anyway.
    Daily Blaze might have it – Rodan, this is threadworthy.
    MarKKKos Moulitsas already tweeting that they caved to conservatives.
    HUH????


  123. RIX
    124 | September 5, 2012 5:43 pm

    FNC just announced that the Dems have discovered that
    God is not actually dead.
    Reference to God will be put into the platform.


  124. buzzsawmonkey
    125 | September 5, 2012 5:48 pm

    RIX wrote:

    FNC just announced that the Dems have discovered that
    God is not actually dead.

    It’s not even Easter…


  125. huckfunn
    126 | September 5, 2012 5:54 pm

    @ RIX:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Roll Away the Stone


  126. RIX
    127 | September 5, 2012 5:59 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    FNC just announced that the Dems have discovered that
    God is not actually dead.
    It’s not even Easter…

    Yeah,they could have waited.
    Bet ya that they will not insert language referring
    to Jerusalem as the indivisable capital of Israel.
    Their Muslim pals would not approve.


  127. RIX
    128 | September 5, 2012 6:00 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Is he still alive?


  128. Speranza
    129 | September 5, 2012 6:01 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Good grief what a bunch of blathering morons!


  129. RIX
    130 | September 5, 2012 6:02 pm

    I was wrong. Language about Jerusalem was put back
    in the Dem platform.


  130. 131 | September 5, 2012 6:09 pm

    RIX wrote:

    I was wrong. Language about Jerusalem was put back
    in the Dem platform.

    Against the wishes of the delegates…


  131. buzzsawmonkey
    132 | September 5, 2012 6:11 pm

    I just suggested to the Romney campaign that they revive the “revolving gate” of the Willie Horton ad to show the Democrats’ flipflop on God and Jerusalem.


  132. huckfunn
    133 | September 5, 2012 6:15 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Is he still alive?

    70 this year. I saw him with Joe Cocker in Dallas in 1970.


  133. huckfunn
    134 | September 5, 2012 6:17 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Good grief what a bunch of blathering morons!

    Behold… the democrat party.


  134. RIX
    135 | September 5, 2012 6:17 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    I was wrong. Language about Jerusalem was put back
    in the Dem platform.
    Against the wishes of the delegates…

    Yeah, they couldn’t get a clear favorable voice vote,
    so Villagrosia just said they did.
    They were afraid to poll the delegates, wouldn’t look
    good


  135. buzzsawmonkey
    136 | September 5, 2012 6:17 pm

    Lesley Gore on the government.


  136. Speranza
    137 | September 5, 2012 6:18 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I just suggested to the Romney campaign that they revive the “revolving gate” of the Willie Horton ad to show the Democrats’ flipflop on God and Jerusalem.

    I advised them to remind voters that two rabid Israel haters Jimmy Carter and Lincoln Chafee are speakers at the DNC.


  137. Speranza
    138 | September 5, 2012 6:19 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    @ huckfunn:
    Good grief what a bunch of blathering morons!

    Behold… the democrat party.

    Perfect little Stalinists.


  138. Speranza
    139 | September 5, 2012 6:22 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    We need to find the video. They went to a voice vote three times on reinstating God and Jerusalem in the platform and the NO’s and the BOO’s outnumbered the “Yea’s” all three times but they put it in anyway.
    Daily Blaze might have it – Rodan, this is threadworthy.
    MarKKKos Moulitsas already tweeting that they caved to conservatives.
    HUH????

    Did I hear Charles Johnson’s voice in the background with the “Noooos”?


  139. huckfunn
    140 | September 5, 2012 6:23 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    @ huckfunn:
    Good grief what a bunch of blathering morons!

    Behold… the democrat party.

    Perfect little Stalinists.

    I was thinking more along the lines of the the cattle cars rolling under the sign of arbeit macht frei.


  140. Speranza
    141 | September 5, 2012 6:24 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    How is she polling in her district, anyone know?
    BTW since he’s running against another Democrat (due to Cali’s new primary system) we’re all hoping that Pete Stark will finally be put out to pasture here in Northern California.

    Pete Stark (Stark Raving Mad) is one of the more vile congress critters out there.


  141. Speranza
    142 | September 5, 2012 6:27 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Now if they can just find a way to erase all of Crackhead
    Barbie’s statements about what the Israeli Ambassador said.

    Debbie Waterman Schultz aka Debbie Downer is one funny gal. With her accent she reminds me of so many Forest Hills (Queens), or Five Towns (Nassau County) girls I met in the 1970′s and early 80′s.


  142. huckfunn
    143 | September 5, 2012 6:29 pm

    FNC reports that ,in his speech, Billy Jeff will go with the “shared prosperity” theme. So much for that “centrist” concept.


  143. Speranza
    144 | September 5, 2012 6:31 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    FNC reports that ,in his speech, Billy Jeff will go with the “shared prosperity” theme. So much for that “centrist” concept.

    Bill Clinton wants Obama to lose -- do not forget that.


  144. huckfunn
    145 | September 5, 2012 6:35 pm

    @ Speranza:
    That’s true.


  145. huckfunn
    146 | September 5, 2012 6:37 pm

    Gagbad Bob Gibbs now giving the “straight skinny” on why they moved the acceptance speech from the 74,000 capacity stadium, to the 20,000 capacity arena.


  146. 147 | September 5, 2012 6:43 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Terrorism works – yes it does, and terrorism can only be emboldened when a Barack Obama is in the White House.

    Goes for any Demo☭rat since Dhimmi Carter.


  147. Speranza
    148 | September 5, 2012 6:45 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Gagbad Bob Gibbs now giving the “straight skinny” on why they moved the acceptance speech from the 74,000 capacity stadium, to the 20,000 capacity arena.

    I heard they are paying bums on the street to come on in and occupy seats.


  148. Speranza
    149 | September 5, 2012 6:46 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    That’s true.

    He (bill Clinton) still resents Obama’s low ball campaign against Hillary in 2008.


  149. Speranza
    150 | September 5, 2012 6:48 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    I’m glad that you marked the day, and not surprised by what it all says.

    For those of us who lived through it (the Munich Massacre), it was a terribly traumatic experience.


  150. 151 | September 6, 2012 12:06 am

    The Osprey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    @ Kafir:
    Danke. It is an anniversary that should be remembered.

    I was 12 years old when this happened, and I remember it like it was yesterday. 40 Years. A generation ago. I’m tired of the appeasement of the Palestinians. Arafat was the Godfather of terrorism.

    Two generations ago.

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Is it possible to be a Chicago pol and not be a master crook?

    No.


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