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Obama’s failings threaten six million Jews – Guest post

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Obama’s failings threaten six million Jews

With new figures showing that the Jewish population of Israel has reached the ominous figure of six million, President Obama needs to stop prevaricating over the issue of Iran and commit himself to a US-led mission or give Israel the green light to attack unilaterally.

Obama, however, seems relatively unconcerned about the fate of six million Jews and the 1.5 million Arabs who live in Israel, preferring instead to worry about how the issue is effecting his campaign for a second term in office.

Perhaps this is not surprising. According to a poll by Chicago Council for Global Affairs, the majority of Americans are against a US-led attack on Iran. The shadow of the Iraq war and the domestic economy no doubt explain this attitude of caution.

But Obama – as leader of the free world – also has a duty of care towards those who are threatened by belligerent regimes. Despite international condemnation, George W Bush was right to come to the aid of Iraqis who were oppressed by their own leader. Now, it is time for Obama to assist Israel in the destruction of Iran’s nuclear facilities.

Of course, there is a big difference between helping the dispossessed people of Iraq and assisting the technologically-advanced Israelis. But the truth is, Israel has a limited ability to destroy Iran’s weapons capability, whilst the US is unhindered by such limitations.

But it’s not just about weapons. It’s about providing reassurance to Israel. Obama has failed to guarantee the security of the Jewish state, which only serves to strengthen Iran’s hand.

By refusing to draw red lines, Obama is sending out the signal that Israel’s security is less important than the niceties of diplomatic talks. Obama’s personal dislike of Netanyahu and his reluctance to meet the Israeli leader is also a sign of the president’s weakness.

The Islamic regime has made it absolutely clear what its intentions are towards Israel and is accelerating its nuclear program. And yet Obama continues to argue that sanctions and soft diplomacy are the best way forward.

This is hardly reassuring for Israel, which faces its first major existential threat since the Yom Kippur War of 1973. Israel cannot afford to wait much longer. While it would be preferable for the US to lead the way, Israel still has the capability to at least slow down Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Obama should not stand in the way.

Obama’s lack of clarity and direction needs to be replaced by some clear and hard thinking. If he is not willing to assist Israel, then he must allow the Jewish state to take action on its own. Otherwise, six million Israeli Jews face the prospect of a deadly attack from an Islamic regime armed to the teeth with weapons of mass destruction.

Put simply, Obama has a moral duty to help prevent a second holocaust.

-Richard Mather

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  1. buzzsawmonkey
    1 | September 19, 2012 3:14 pm

    Obama sees his “moral duty,” not as preventing a second Holocaust, but as rectifying what he wrongly believes is the “holocaust” of the “Palestinians” not having a second state in addition to Jordan.

    He clearly supports Iran obtaining nuclear weapons, though he has used the uselessness of “sanctions” to cover his support for them; his plan has always been to use Iran’s nuclear capacity as a stick to force Israel to grant massive concessions to the “Palestinians” as the price for “protecting” whatever is left of Israel post-concessions from Iranian attack—at least for as long as he is in office.

    It is for this reason that he sat on his hands during the Iranian “Green Revolution” that was the precursor to the “Arab Spring”; he did not want to upset the possibility of a deal with the mullahs to hold off on a nuclear attack on Israel for the duration of his term in office.

    Talking of “moral duty” and Obama in the same sentence is foolish.


  2. BatGuano
    2 | September 19, 2012 3:27 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Obama is not reassuring Israel nor putting significant pressure on Iran.
    Iran will develop a nuclear weapon if they are not stopped. And, as an apocalyptic cult, will use it on Tel Aviv.What is to stop them?


  3. Lily
    3 | September 19, 2012 3:33 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Couldn’t agree more. Obama isn’t going to do anything …he has repeatedly snubbed Bibi. His actions make it loud and clear he is no friend of Israel and Israel knows this. As far as to which side of the line he will land on is very obvious..he will land on the side of the Islamist. Even our Embassy’s being attacked didn’t spark much outrage from him. All that was according to him ..is a youtube video *offended* muslims. When that film had really nothing to do with it. It was only an excuse to carry out these attacks right around 9/11. He should be outraged. Nope he isn’t. That is who we have in the White House.
    One of our Ambassador’s is murdered because muslims were offended. Right. Last time I looked being offended is when someone cuts in line before you. This wasn’t beinig offended these Embassy’s were attacked. I am sure Israel is paying verying close to our election in November because they know they will get NO HELP from this administration.


  4. buzzsawmonkey
    4 | September 19, 2012 3:34 pm

    @ BatGuano:

    There is nothing to stop them. But Obama believes that the existence of Israel is “the problem” in the Middle East and, like all too many American presidents, dreams of being “the” person to “solve” the problem.

    He probably believes that it is only “fair” for Iran to have nuclear weapons if Israel has them; he certainly believes, despite all evidence to the contrary, that his personal eloquence will persuade the mullahs to do as he wishes—and, of course, he doesn’t really care if Israel gets wiped off the map in the process.

    He is, however, willing to pretend to “save” Israel from Iranian nukes in exchange for brutal Israeli concessions, for his own self-aggrandizement—and, when Iran reneges on the deal after he leaves office, and attacks Israel anyway, well, tsk, tsk. Terribly unfortunate, utterly unexpected. Who could have possibly foreseen it?


  5. Lily
    5 | September 19, 2012 3:36 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Obama is not reassuring Israel nor putting significant pressure on Iran.
    Iran will develop a nuclear weapon if they are not stopped. And, as an apocalyptic cult, will use it on Tel Aviv.What is to stop them?

    Certainly not the obama administration! Good grief he would rather have the muslim brotherhood in the White House than Bibi! How many times did representives of the muslim brotherhood visit the White House under obama??? Yet he snubs Bibi every chance he gets. And the media continure to cover for him.


  6. lobo91
    6 | September 19, 2012 3:37 pm

    @ Lily:

    And the media continure to cover for him.

    Cover for him? They agree with him.


  7. John Difool
    7 | September 19, 2012 3:41 pm

    Obama will leave our armada of naval power in the Persian Gulf & ask the other countries to stay too until the day after the election. I have a feeling he’s set up a blockade to deter any Israeli flyovers.


  8. 8 | September 19, 2012 3:43 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I think it is worse than that. I think Obama doesn’t give a rat’s ass if there is a nuclear exchange between Israel and Iran. Israel gets wiped out and Iran loses a couple of cities. The mullahs consider it cheap at that price, and I think Obama agrees with them. He wants Iran to nuke Israel. He is that much a Third World anti-Semite.


  9. Lily
    9 | September 19, 2012 3:43 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    He probably believes that it is only “fair” for Iran to have nuclear weapons if Israel has them; he certainly believes, despite all evidence to the contrary, that his personal eloquence will persuade the mullahs to do as he wishes—and, of course, he doesn’t really care if Israel gets wiped off the map in the process.

    This is excatly what he believes. That him just entering in the room will settle the problem. Not to mention he does believe that it is only fair that if Israel has nukes why not Iran. Problem is anyone who thinks Iran should have nukes is insane. We are dealing with a rogue president who has done much more harm in the middle east than can be imagined in such a short time. I do believe this is what he wanted..this isn’t from being just ignorant (he is that) but combine it with willfull desire to flare up the middle east. A dangerous combo in my opinion.


  10. Lily
    10 | September 19, 2012 3:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    And the media continure to cover for him.

    Cover for him? They agree with him.

    Well that is mainly what I meant. They cover for him because they agree with him. Just should have added a few more words to get my point across. ;)


  11. John Difool
    11 | September 19, 2012 3:45 pm

    Yesterday it was B of A & today it’s JPMC that has it’s entire online banking network shutdown.

    Is this the Chinese playing with us?

    http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/14/technology/Chase_online_service/index.htm


  12. BatGuano
    12 | September 19, 2012 3:45 pm

    Israel is in its gravest danger since 1973 and Bibi is trying to get that point across to Obama. Obama doesn’t want to listen because Israel is an annoyance and he has a re-election campaign. He will have to deal with it now or in (god forbid) his second term.


  13. Lily
    13 | September 19, 2012 3:46 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    And the media continure to cover for him.

    Cover for him? They agree with him.

    And natch you caught one of spelling mistakes. Again. ;)


  14. buzzsawmonkey
    14 | September 19, 2012 3:48 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I think it is worse than that. I think Obama doesn’t give a rat’s ass if there is a nuclear exchange between Israel and Iran. Israel gets wiped out and Iran loses a couple of cities. The mullahs consider it cheap at that price, and I think Obama agrees with them. He wants Iran to nuke Israel. He is that much a Third World anti-Semite.

    I agree with you—except that I think he first wants to force Israel into deep concessions to the “Palestinians,” for two reasons:

    1) He wants to be lionized as the Man Who Created the Palestinian State; and

    2) He wants to stick it to Israel, and be seen to be sticking it to Israel, for his own personal gratification.

    After these things are accomplished, he’s perfectly OK with the exchange you describe—and, if the “Palestinians” are vaporized in the process, he won’t care. He just wants to hand Jerusalem over to the Muslims first.


  15. lobo91
    15 | September 19, 2012 3:49 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    Israel is in its gravest danger since 1973 and Bibi is trying to get that point across to Obama. Obama doesn’t want to listen because Israel is an annoyance and he has a re-election campaign. He will have to deal with it now or in (god forbid) his second term.

    When you come down to it, Obama agrees with Helen Thomas when it comes to Israel. If those pesky Jews would just go back to Poland, Russia, or Brooklyn, there wouldn’t be any problems in the Middle East.


  16. BatGuano
    16 | September 19, 2012 3:49 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    And the media continure to cover for him.
    Cover for him? They agree with him.

    And natch you caught one of spelling mistakes. Again.

    Spelling, Schmelling, we get it. :)


  17. Da_Beerfreak
    17 | September 19, 2012 3:50 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Obama will leave our armada of naval power in the Persian Gulf & ask the other countries to stay too until the day after the election. I have a feeling he’s set up a blockade to deter any Israeli flyovers.

    If the Israeli Air Force is blocked then the only remaining option becomes a missile attack… :shock:


  18. Lily
    18 | September 19, 2012 3:50 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    Israel is in its gravest danger since 1973 and Bibi is trying to get that point across to Obama. Obama doesn’t want to listen because Israel is an annoyance and he has a re-election campaign. He will have to deal with it now or in (god forbid) his second term.

    I think Bibi already knows what obama is like especially concerning Israel. He has been reaching out to the American people not the president. Trying to get across this is a very dangerous situation that they are in. Obama doesn’t care.


  19. waldensianspirit
    19 | September 19, 2012 3:50 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    Obama doesn’t want to listen because Israel is an annoyance

    Confirmed in first person with Obama’s open mic with the Russian president


  20. Lily
    20 | September 19, 2012 3:50 pm

    @ BatGuano:

    :lol:


  21. Mars
    21 | September 19, 2012 3:51 pm

    Things are just getting worse. I get pamphlets from Horowitz once every couple months or so, the one I got a couple weeks ago is titled “The Muslim Brotherhood in America”. The situation is far worse worse than it appears on the surface.

    I highly recommend people get over to his site and order a copy if it’s still available.


  22. lobo91
    22 | September 19, 2012 3:52 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    If the Israeli Air Force is blocked then the only remaining option becomes a missile attack…

    And the only way Israel can successfully attack those sites with missiles is if they’re armed with nukes.

    Their missiles aren’t accurate enough to accomplish the mission using conventional warheads.


  23. waldensianspirit
    23 | September 19, 2012 3:52 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    I have a feeling he’s set up a blockade to deter any Israeli flyovers.

    Or forward an alert to Tehran


  24. buzzsawmonkey
    24 | September 19, 2012 3:53 pm

    reprise:

    Jerusalem
    —apologies to William Blake and “Jerusalem

    And did those feet, ere election
    Once walk before the Western Wall?
    And did the president-to-be
    E’en then plan Netanyahu’s fall?

    Did his anti-colonial mind
    Then clench the fist of his left hand
    And dream Jerusalem held entire
    By murderous Palestinians?

    “Bring me my club of foreign aid!
    “Bring appeasement to the UN!
    “Bring a blind eye now to al-Qaed’!
    “Bring the old borders up again!

    “I will not cease to temporize
    “Nor oppose nuclear Iran
    “Till Arabs wrest Jerusalem
    “From Israel’s devastated land.”


  25. lobo91
    25 | September 19, 2012 3:53 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    BatGuano wrote:

    Obama doesn’t want to listen because Israel is an annoyance

    Confirmed in first person with Obama’s open mic with the Russian president

    That was the former French president, but yeah.


  26. lobo91
    26 | September 19, 2012 3:54 pm

    @ Mars:

    Horowitz was on with Megyn Kelly earlier today talking about just that topic, including Huma Abedin.


  27. waldensianspirit
    27 | September 19, 2012 3:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    That was the former French president, but yeah.

    Ah yea the other open mic


  28. BatGuano
    28 | September 19, 2012 3:55 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    BatGuano wrote:
    Obama doesn’t want to listen because Israel is an annoyance
    Confirmed in first person with Obama’s open mic with the Russian president

    Indeed!


  29. Da_Beerfreak
    29 | September 19, 2012 3:56 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    If the Israeli Air Force is blocked then the only remaining option becomes a missile attack…

    And the only way Israel can successfully attack those sites with missiles is if they’re armed with nukes.

    Their missiles aren’t accurate enough to accomplish the mission using conventional warheads.

    Completely agree. Blocking the IDF Air can only make things a lot worse.


  30. Lily
    30 | September 19, 2012 3:56 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Sad but true. He still will not recognise that Jerusalem is the captial of Israel. He simply refuses to do this.


  31. John Difool
    31 | September 19, 2012 3:57 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    I have a feeling he’s set up a blockade to deter any Israeli flyovers.
    Or forward an alert to Tehran

    Wouldn’t surprise me at all. However if i were the fleet Admiral that would be one 3 a.m. phone call that wouldn’t make it through to the Whitehouse.


  32. waldensianspirit
    32 | September 19, 2012 3:58 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Sad but true. He still will not recognise that Jerusalem is the captial of Israel. He simply refuses to do this.

    Well first he’d have to recognise the State-hood of Israel


  33. buzzsawmonkey
    33 | September 19, 2012 3:58 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Sad but true. He still will not recognise that Jerusalem is the captial of Israel. He simply refuses to do this.

    So many of the people who celebrated the reunification of Hitler’s capital have been avidly seeking the re-division of the Jewish capital.


  34. 35 | September 19, 2012 3:59 pm

    @ lobo91:

    He views it as a US/European colonial state. It’s part of his 3rd World Ideology.


  35. 36 | September 19, 2012 3:59 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Obama’s not very careful about those open mics is he? I get the impression he doesn’t really care if he is overheard. He probably thinks that the sheeple will still vote for him. Who knows? He may be right.


  36. BatGuano
    37 | September 19, 2012 3:59 pm

    @ lobo91:
    The mask slipped…again.


  37. John Difool
    38 | September 19, 2012 3:59 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    If the Israeli Air Force is blocked then the only remaining option becomes a missile attack…
    And the only way Israel can successfully attack those sites with missiles is if they’re armed with nukes.
    Their missiles aren’t accurate enough to accomplish the mission using conventional warheads.

    Completely agree. Blocking the IDF Air can only make things a lot worse.

    I was going to say this also. imagine if you’re in a command & control bunker within a few thousand miles say in Russia or China when the Israelis light up some boosters.

    By Dawns Early Light scenario.


  38. Guggi
    39 | September 19, 2012 4:00 pm

    I was told the Muslim Brotherhood is an secualar movement by Obama’s Director of National Intelligence James Clapper//////


  39. Lily
    40 | September 19, 2012 4:02 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Frankly it just horrific in my opinion how openly this anti-semitic president we is. It’s like he doesn’t care if people know..and that may be a good thing. He really doesn’t care if everyone knows how anti-Israel he is. I would just hope the people of the United States gets this and how dangerous he is concerning Israel and the middle east..they got a little taste of it last week. He sides with offended muslims over our own people’s deaths!


  40. lobo91
    41 | September 19, 2012 4:02 pm

    @ John Difool:

    imagine if you’re in a command & control bunker within a few thousand miles say in Russia or China when the Israelis light up some boosters.

    When that happens, the Russians and Chinese will know exactly where those missiles are headed. They know the Israelis have no reason to attack them.


  41. 42 | September 19, 2012 4:03 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The Israeli Airforce doesn’t have the logistics nor the heavy load to take out Iran’s nuke sites. Only the US does and we know the god-king will not do it.


  42. buzzsawmonkey
    43 | September 19, 2012 4:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    He views it as a US/European colonial state. It’s part of his 3rd World Ideology.

    It is an attitude widespread in the black community; even the allegedly-conservative Condoleezza Rice has compared “Palestinian” children to the four girls killed in the Birmingham church bombing. It is the result of so many in the Civil Rights Movement making common cause with the “Palestinians” from the time the PLO was formed in 1964, three years prior to the Six-Day War.

    Allen West is one of the few who mercifully does not wear these blinders.


  43. waldensianspirit
    44 | September 19, 2012 4:04 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Obama’s not very careful about those open mics is he? I get the impression he doesn’t really care if he is overheard. He probably thinks that the sheeple will still vote for him. Who knows? He may be right.

    The greater his mandate that way. Second term Obama is going to be just awful. Boehner will be an emotional patsy


  44. Lily
    45 | September 19, 2012 4:05 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Obama’s not very careful about those open mics is he? I get the impression he doesn’t really care if he is overheard. He probably thinks that the sheeple will still vote for him. Who knows? He may be right.

    He doesn’t care! He doesn’t care if people know his true intentions. The problem is the people of the United States need to wake up and realize excatly who and what he is. I mean he isn’t hiding it at all!


  45. lobo91
    46 | September 19, 2012 4:05 pm

    @ Lily:

    Frankly it just horrific in my opinion how openly this anti-semitic president we is. It’s like he doesn’t care if people know..and that may be a good thing. He really doesn’t care if everyone knows how anti-Israel he is.

    Despite all the feigned outrage over Romney’s comments, the reality is that Obama is using the exact same calculation. He knows that he has exactly 0 chance to get the votes of about 47% of the populace, so he basically doesn’t care what they (meaning we) think.

    The part that will vote for him basically share his views.


  46. John Difool
    47 | September 19, 2012 4:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    imagine if you’re in a command & control bunker within a few thousand miles say in Russia or China when the Israelis light up some boosters.
    When that happens, the Russians and Chinese will know exactly where those missiles are headed. They know the Israelis have no reason to attack them.

    Doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t fire back. Keep in mind even a non-nuclear strike on nuclear facilities will eventually cause a lot of radiation & fall-out to go into their territories since they are down-wind.


  47. Guggi
    48 | September 19, 2012 4:07 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Boehner will be an emotional patsy

    …and his a a dandy.


  48. 49 | September 19, 2012 4:07 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That’s because Allen West understands Islam.


  49. buzzsawmonkey
    50 | September 19, 2012 4:08 pm

    Lily wrote:

    He really doesn’t care if everyone knows how anti-Israel he is. I would just hope the people of the United States gets this and how dangerous he is concerning Israel and the middle east..they got a little taste of it last week.

    The Jews I know who are in the tank for Obama will go to any lengths whatever to deny and ignore this.

    A friend of mine told me yesterday that he’d had a friend of his over for Rosh HaShanah, and this guest, a liberal Jewish academic, was “furious at Netanyahu for trying to influence the US election.” According to my friend, his guest ended up espousing a fundamentally antisemitic position. To his credit, he told his guest—a specialist in “Holocaust studies”—to his face that if he wanted to know “how the Holocaust could have occurred” all he needed to do was look in the mirror, because it was the denial of people like him that permitted Hitler to come to power and permitted the US, even though it knew what was happening in the camps, from bombing the railways that led to them.

    My friend is nonconfrontational to a fault. But his parents were Holocaust survivors and he was really ticked off.


  50. Guggi
    51 | September 19, 2012 4:08 pm

    @ Guggi:

    a a

    nice, now I’m stuttering


  51. lobo91
    52 | September 19, 2012 4:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    The Israeli Airforce doesn’t have the logistics nor the heavy load to take out Iran’s nuke sites. Only the US does and we know the god-king will not do it.

    Short of using nuclear weapons, complete destruction of those facilities by air is basically impossible, even for us.

    The IAF can do sufficient damage to them to take them offline for a significant length of time, though.


  52. BatGuano
    53 | September 19, 2012 4:09 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:
    Boehner will be an emotional patsy
    …and his a a dandy.

    He’s a fancy boy.


  53. Lily
    54 | September 19, 2012 4:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Frankly it just horrific in my opinion how openly this anti-semitic president we is. It’s like he doesn’t care if people know..and that may be a good thing. He really doesn’t care if everyone knows how anti-Israel he is.

    Despite all the feigned outrage over Romney’s comments, the reality is that Obama is using the exact same calculation. He knows that he has exactly 0 chance to get the votes of about 47% of the populace, so he basically doesn’t care what they (meaning we) think.

    The part that will vote for him basically share his views.

    That outrage over what Romney said..just didn’t get the traction obama would have liked it would have in my opinion. Romney knows 47% will either vote the party line or vote for obama because they agree with him period. Hopefully that 47% might erode a bit. Because some of the ones that have to vote the party line are not happy with him and may not vote at all.


  54. Guggi
    55 | September 19, 2012 4:12 pm

    BatGuano wrote:

    He’s a fancy boy.

    Isn’t that the same ?


  55. Lily
    56 | September 19, 2012 4:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That’s because Allen West understands Islam.

    I think a lot of our military understand Islam..Allen West being the most vocal and very smart. He understands the enemy whether or not our presidents does..because actually our president sides with the enemy which is just disgraceful.


  56. BatGuano
    57 | September 19, 2012 4:14 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    BatGuano wrote:
    He’s a fancy boy.
    Isn’t that the same ?

    Yeah. It’s from a Seinfeld episode.


  57. lobo91
    58 | September 19, 2012 4:14 pm

    @ Lily:

    I think a lot of our military understand Islam..Allen West being the most vocal and very smart. He understands the enemy whether or not our presidents does..because actually our president sides with the enemy which is just disgraceful.

    Most of our military has spent years with a front-row seat to see Islam in action.

    When some idiot politician or academic goes on TV and talks about how peaceful and tolerant Islam is, they just laugh.


  58. John Difool
    59 | September 19, 2012 4:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    The Israeli Airforce doesn’t have the logistics nor the heavy load to take out Iran’s nuke sites. Only the US does and we know the god-king will not do it.

    Short of using nuclear weapons, complete destruction of those facilities by air is basically impossible, even for us.
    The IAF can do sufficient damage to them to take them offline for a significant length of time, though.

    You can take out the actual nuke plant making the fuel since that is where the sausage is getting made but that baby is above ground & doing that will make Chernobyl look like a day in the park.

    The Chinese, Russians & Pakistanis are downwind of that.


  59. 60 | September 19, 2012 4:16 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The problem for Israel is getting there and back.


  60. Lily
    61 | September 19, 2012 4:16 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    He really doesn’t care if everyone knows how anti-Israel he is. I would just hope the people of the United States gets this and how dangerous he is concerning Israel and the middle east..they got a little taste of it last week.

    The Jews I know who are in the tank for Obama will go to any lengths whatever to deny and ignore this.

    A friend of mine told me yesterday that he’d had a friend of his over for Rosh HaShanah, and this guest, a liberal Jewish academic, was “furious at Netanyahu for trying to influence the US election.” According to my friend, his guest ended up espousing a fundamentally antisemitic position. To his credit, he told his guest—a specialist in “Holocaust studies”—to his face that if he wanted to know “how the Holocaust could have occurred” all he needed to do was look in the mirror, because it was the denial of people like him that permitted Hitler to come to power and permitted the US, even though it knew what was happening in the camps, from bombing the railways that led to them.

    My friend is nonconfrontational to a fault. But his parents were Holocaust survivors and he was really ticked off.

    Good for your friend. My goodness it is unbelieveable how people have their heads buried in the sand over obama! What exactly has obama done good???? All he has done has made matters extremely much worse in every area. Every area! I simply do not understand this ….


  61. lobo91
    62 | September 19, 2012 4:17 pm

    @ John Difool:

    The Chinese, Russians & Pakistanis are downwind of that.

    They should have thought about that before they built it for them and spent years throwing up roadblocks in the path of everyone who tried to stop them.


  62. lobo91
    63 | September 19, 2012 4:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    The problem for Israel is getting there and back.

    It can be done.


  63. Da_Beerfreak
    64 | September 19, 2012 4:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    The Israeli Airforce doesn’t have the logistics nor the heavy load to take out Iran’s nuke sites. Only the US does and we know the god-king will not do it.

    If I were to put together the strike package for the IDF the nuke sites would be low on my list.

    First: destroy Iran’s ability to produce and distribute clean water and electricity

    Second: destroy Iran’s ability to store and transport food and fuel.

    Third: do as much damage as possible to Iran’s gulf ports.

    Fourth: let the chips fall where they may… :evil:

    Cry Haddock and let slip the Cats of War… :twisted:


  64. 65 | September 19, 2012 4:20 pm

    @ lobo91:

    How?


  65. Lily
    66 | September 19, 2012 4:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I think a lot of our military understand Islam..Allen West being the most vocal and very smart. He understands the enemy whether or not our presidents does..because actually our president sides with the enemy which is just disgraceful.

    Most of our military has spent years with a front-row seat to see Islam in action.

    When some idiot politician or academic goes on TV and talks about how peaceful and tolerant Islam is, they just laugh.

    I bet they do! Because they see them up close and personnal …there is nothing peaceful about Islam.


  66. John Difool
    67 | September 19, 2012 4:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    The Chinese, Russians & Pakistanis are downwind of that.
    They should have thought about that before they built it for them and spent years throwing up roadblocks in the path of everyone who tried to stop them.

    They did give a lot of thought to it which is why they believe that it was not only a deterrent but an excuse to retaliate if needed.


  67. 68 | September 19, 2012 4:21 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    They don’t have enough planes to hit multiple targets.


  68. lobo91
    69 | September 19, 2012 4:25 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    They don’t have enough planes to hit multiple targets.

    According to whom?


  69. Lily
    70 | September 19, 2012 4:27 pm

    Says a lot ….of course al-qaeda isn’t scared of obama.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/09/19/poll-americans-think-al-qaeda-more-scared-of-romney-than-obama/


  70. Da_Beerfreak
    71 | September 19, 2012 4:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    They don’t have enough planes to hit multiple targets.

    You are allowing ‘perfection’ to become the enemy of ‘good enough’. :wink:


  71. 72 | September 19, 2012 4:33 pm

    @ lobo91:

    The Israeli inventory.


  72. lobo91
    73 | September 19, 2012 4:34 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    The Israeli inventory.

    That’s not an answer.


  73. John Difool
    74 | September 19, 2012 4:37 pm

    @ lobo91:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    The Israelis have 160 F-15 Eagles,136 F-16 & 13 707′s . Not sure what the split is on how many of those 707′s are airborne command posts & aerial refuelers but that seems to be enough to get the job done.

    The problem of course is getting there & back & the element of surprise.


  74. The Osprey
    75 | September 19, 2012 4:37 pm

    Don’t fall for the media lie. Romney and Ryan are winning.
    http://www.unskewedpolls.com


  75. Guggi
    76 | September 19, 2012 4:38 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    It can be done.

    How (serious question) ?


  76. 77 | September 19, 2012 4:40 pm

    @ Lily:

    All of these polls indicate that the American people suffer from an appreciable level of schizophrenia and Obama just exacerbates that condition.


  77. Guggi
    78 | September 19, 2012 4:41 pm

    btw.: where is taxfreekiller ? Haven’t seen him for quite a time.


  78. Da_Beerfreak
    79 | September 19, 2012 4:41 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    You can take out the actual nuke plant making the fuel since that is where the sausage is getting made but that baby is above ground & doing that will make Chernobyl look like a day in the park.

    The Chinese, Russians & Pakistanis are downwind of that.

    Apples and Oranges.

    The Bushehr I reactor is of a completely different design than the one that was used at Chernobyl. Bombing the Bushehr I reactor would make one hell of a mess, but it wouldn’t come close to being another Chernobyl.


  79. Lily
    80 | September 19, 2012 4:42 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Bad link.

    But I don’t believe the media’s lies anyway…if most people think that al-qaeda is more scared of Romney than obama that says a lot to me. Not to mention the poor handling of last weeks Emabassy’s attacks and that is exactly what they were attacks…not offended muslims over a damn video they probably have never seen.


  80. John Difool
    81 | September 19, 2012 4:43 pm

    Of course even with close to 300 fighter aircraft & only 13 707′s the numbers are very not in favor of the Israelis even being able to launch a third or a quarter of those with current refueling capabilities in a single surprise attack, so we’re looking at maybe 25-40 fighters in the first strike & the high end is being generous.


  81. lobo91
    82 | September 19, 2012 4:44 pm

    @ John Difool:

    The IAF has 102 F-16I an 25 F-15I long range strike aircraft, all of which have the unrefueled range to hit those targets, and they have the ability to refuel them on the way back.


  82. Da_Beerfreak
    83 | September 19, 2012 4:44 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    btw.: where is taxfreekiller ? Haven’t seen him for quite a time.

    He got really pissed-off at us after the Texas primary election and left.


  83. The Osprey
    84 | September 19, 2012 4:44 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ The Osprey:
    Bad link.
    But I don’t believe the media’s lies anyway…if most people think that al-qaeda is more scared of Romney than obama that says a lot to me. Not to mention the poor handling of last weeks Emabassy’s attacks and that is exactly what they were attacks…not offended muslims over a damn video they probably have never seen.


    Let’s try that link again!


  84. Lily
    85 | September 19, 2012 4:46 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ Lily:

    All of these polls indicate that the American people suffer from an appreciable level of schizophrenia and Obama just exacerbates that condition.

    Yes it does. For one have you talked to anyone who will not vote for Romney…lets say a obama voter? They don’t agree with 99% of what obama is for but they simply have to vote the party line. Why? I don’t get an answer. What is this hold obama has on some people? Certainly not what he has done as president of the United States. Not to mention these people also are getting fed up with Islamist’s they are actually getting the point these people are not our friends and never will be. They are getting fed up with their protests and killing of our people. They are sick of them….yet they can’t vote for Romeny because well he is rich. So is obama and he is rich with our tax money.


  85. 86 | September 19, 2012 4:47 pm

    @ lobo91:

    See #74 for their inventoryIsrael has to refuel. The element of surprise is gone as well. All this talk of Israel hitting Iran, they are ready for it. It would be a suicide mission.

    We are just going to have to disagree on this.


  86. lobo91
    88 | September 19, 2012 4:48 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    See #74 for their inventoryIsrael has to refuel. The element of surprise is gone as well. All this talk of Israel hitting Iran, they are ready for it. It would be a suicide mission.

    We are just going to have to disagree on this.

    I’m sure the Israeli Defense Ministry will be crushed to hear your view. :)


  87. Lily
    89 | September 19, 2012 4:48 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Guggi wrote:

    btw.: where is taxfreekiller ? Haven’t seen him for quite a time.

    He got really pissed-off at us after the Texas primary election and left.

    Is that what happened?? I imagine he will be back..give him time to get over being mad.


  88. John Difool
    90 | September 19, 2012 4:48 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    The IAF has 102 F-16I an 25 F-15I long range strike aircraft, all of which have the unrefueled range to hit those targets, and they have the ability to refuel them on the way back.

    Yes & how exactly are they gonna put up that much airpower & noone see it happening? Even in the Osirik strike & the Syrian one a few years ago only a few fighters were used & those were straight line attacks afterburners blazing.


  89. Guggi
    91 | September 19, 2012 4:50 pm

    Tehran Fans Muslim Anti-U.S. Rage Over Muhammad Film

    Unlike most of the regimes in the Arab countries, which in the past two days have made efforts to quell the mass rage over the film on YouTube mocking the Prophet Muhammad and have condemned the attacks on American targets on their soil, Tehran is attempting to both encourage and direct the anti-American protests, calling to continue the attacks on U.S. diplomats and interests. It has even warned Arab leaders that suppressing the public’s anger could endanger their regimes.

    Tehran has directly accused the U.S. and Zionism of producing and distributing the film with the aim of harming Islam. At the same time, the news agency Fars, which is a mouthpiece of the Iranian regime, condemned recent reports in the Saudi and general Arab press about the completion of the filming of an Iranian movie about the life of the Prophet Muhammad, deemed blasphemous by Sunni Islam; the film is set for release in 2013. Fars called the reports a “Wahhabi-Zionist conspiracy” aimed at inciting mass fury – this time against Iran.[1]

    The YouTube Film

    Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei announced his harsh condemnation of the U.S. and Zionism over the YouTube film, saying that it was aimed at degrading and humiliating Islam. He added: “The Muslims should know that this desperate move [i.e. the film] in response to the Islamic awakening is a sign of the glory and importance of this uprising, and of its growth.”

    (…)


  90. lobo91
    92 | September 19, 2012 4:50 pm

    @ Rodan:

    BTW, I realize that you were in elementary school at the time of the Osirak raid, but popular opinion was that that was impossible, too.


  91. 93 | September 19, 2012 4:50 pm

    @ Lily:
    @ The Osprey:

    I was at a Republican meetup and they told me this election is not certain

    North Carolina is with Romney.
    In Florida, Romney is barely ahead.
    PA is gone for Obama.
    Mi is gone for Obama.
    Wisconsin is slipping away
    Obama is head in Virginia and Ohio.


  92. Da_Beerfreak
    94 | September 19, 2012 4:51 pm

    @ Lily:
    Ask CW…


  93. Lily
    95 | September 19, 2012 4:51 pm

    @ The Osprey:

    Might just be me…but I still can’t get that link. But I get what you are saying. All these polls showing obama ahead of Romney is a load of crap. Obama is in trouble just by the way he is handling things. In my opinion. His internals must really suck.


  94. 96 | September 19, 2012 4:53 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    BTW, I realize that you were in elementary school at the time of the Osirak raid, but popular opinion was that that was impossible, too.

    Apples and oranges. Iraq was closer and it was a one strike deal. Iran is farther, more targets and there is no element of surprise.

    But if you think Israel can pull it off somehow, there’s no convincing you.


  95. Lily
    97 | September 19, 2012 4:53 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Ask CW…

    Him and TFK got into it? That’ll probably pass. Most of those type of things do. Just saying. But really because I don’t know..my thinking it will pass may be wrong. ;)


  96. lobo91
    98 | September 19, 2012 4:53 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Yes & how exactly are they gonna put up that much airpower & noone see it happening? Even in the Osirik strike & the Syrian one a few years ago only a few fighters were used & those were straight line attacks afterburners blazing.

    Seeing it happening and doing anything about it are two different things.

    The Syrians saw that attack coming. Their vaunted S-300 SAM system (like most Russian built garbage) didn’t do squat.


  97. Da_Beerfreak
    99 | September 19, 2012 4:55 pm

    @ Lily:
    I hope it passes too. I liked TFK.


  98. lobo91
    100 | September 19, 2012 4:55 pm

    @ Rodan:

    But if you think Israel can pull it off somehow, there’s no convincing you.

    I think you’ve missed the point.

    It really doesn’t matter what either of us believe, since neither of us is the Israeli Defense Minister.


  99. buzzsawmonkey
    101 | September 19, 2012 4:56 pm

    There was a report a while back that Israel was getting some bases, or basing rights, in either Uzbekistan or Tajikistan. I’ve no idea whether that is true, but if so it might make an air raid more feasible.


  100. John Difool
    102 | September 19, 2012 4:56 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Good Lord, the dude looks like the subject of an episode of Criminal Minds”.

    Heres what he reminds me of.

    http://laithemslabyrinth.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/strangers-with-candy.jpg


  101. Lily
    103 | September 19, 2012 4:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    @ The Osprey:

    I was at a Republican meetup and they told me this election is not certain

    North Carolina is with Romney.
    In Florida, Romney is barely ahead.
    PA is gone for Obama.
    Mi is gone for Obama.
    Wisconsin is slipping away
    Obama is head in Virginia and Ohio.

    Oh trust me I have no misgivings that this election will be tight. I know it will. Like I have said before I will not give a sigh of relief till it’s over … anything can change on a dime with this one.
    If I were a betting person …I wouldn’t lay down any money on who will excatly win. Because I don’t know and this election to me could go either way to be honest. The only thing I do know is the bloom is off the rose concerning obama…but that may not make much of a difference.


  102. buzzsawmonkey
    104 | September 19, 2012 4:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I was at a Republican meetup and they told me this election is not certain

    No election is certain until the votes are counted—and this election will be close whatever happens.


  103. lobo91
    105 | September 19, 2012 4:59 pm

    @ Lily:

    Oh trust me I have no misgivings that this election will be tight. I know it will. Like I have said before I will not give a sigh of relief till it’s over

    “Over” meaning we actually see him and Mooch get on the plane headed for Chicago, Hawaii, Zimbabwe, or wherever the hell they plan to go after Romney takes office.


  104. 106 | September 19, 2012 5:00 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It really doesn’t matter what either of us believe, since neither of us is the Israeli Defense Minister.

    That’s very true we are just specualting here.


  105. lobo91
    107 | September 19, 2012 5:00 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    No election is certain until the votes are counted—and this election will be close whatever happens.

    These days, no election is over until the lawsuits are finished.


  106. Lily
    108 | September 19, 2012 5:01 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I hope it passes too. I liked TFK.

    Maybe closer to the election we will see him back. Hopefully.


  107. 109 | September 19, 2012 5:01 pm

    @ Lily:

    It just stuns me with a bad economy and the Islamic meltdown, that Obama is in the running. It shows the power of the media and entertainment industry.


  108. John Difool
    110 | September 19, 2012 5:02 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Yes & how exactly are they gonna put up that much airpower & noone see it happening? Even in the Osirik strike & the Syrian one a few years ago only a few fighters were used & those were straight line attacks afterburners blazing.
    Seeing it happening and doing anything about it are two different things.
    The Syrians saw that attack coming. Their vaunted S-300 SAM system (like most Russian built garbage) didn’t do squat.

    I’m not saying they can’t pull it off, I never bet against Israelis or the IDF but imo this is going to be an Independence Day type raid, all or nothing & I don’t think they’ll be getting many of those aircraft back.

    I believe the Jordanians & Saud’s will let them use airspace in a straight line attack, not like anyones going to see refueling above the skies of the southern Arabian peninsula.

    Any attack by Israel no matter where it comes from will no doubt result in retaliation against the Sauds from Iran so they’re probably just going to say to hell with it anyway & give them airspace.


  109. Lily
    111 | September 19, 2012 5:02 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Good Lord, the dude looks like the subject of an episode of Criminal Minds”.

    Oh yeah I saw that. He is creepy looking indeed.


  110. 112 | September 19, 2012 5:02 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Maybe he can fly to an Arab country and practice his “Muslim faith.”


  111. 113 | September 19, 2012 5:03 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Israel should not trust the Saudis.


  112. 114 | September 19, 2012 5:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    It just stuns me with a bad economy and the Islamic meltdown, that Obama is in the running. It shows the power of the media and entertainment industry.

    The fault, dear Brutus, lies not within our stars, but within ourselves.


  113. John Difool
    115 | September 19, 2012 5:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Maybe he can fly to an Arab country and practice his “Muslim faith.”

    How long before he can’t resist puffing a peter over there & gets swung by the neck from an Iranian crane?


  114. Daffy Duck
    116 | September 19, 2012 5:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    It really doesn’t matter what either of us believe, since neither of us is the Israeli Defense Minister.

    That’s very true we are just specualting here.

    I like to speculate…why is everyone seem focused on airstrike?

    Why not submarines and cruise missiles, that Israel does (allegedly) posses?


  115. lobo91
    117 | September 19, 2012 5:04 pm

    @ John Difool:

    I’m not saying they can’t pull it off, I never bet against Israelis or the IDF but imo this is going to be an Independence Day type raid, all or nothing & I don’t think they’ll be getting many of those aircraft back.

    That’s very possible, which is something most people don’t take into account. You’re talking about an existential threat, which is something we’ve never faced.

    That does change the math.


  116. Lily
    118 | September 19, 2012 5:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Oh trust me I have no misgivings that this election will be tight. I know it will. Like I have said before I will not give a sigh of relief till it’s over

    “Over” meaning we actually see him and Mooch get on the plane headed for Chicago, Hawaii, Zimbabwe, or wherever the hell they plan to go after Romney takes office.

    Excatly. This country doesn’t need another 4 years of him ..good grief …


  117. lobo91
    119 | September 19, 2012 5:07 pm

    @ Daffy Duck:

    I like to speculate…why is everyone seem focused on airstrike?

    Why not submarines and cruise missiles, that Israel does (allegedly) posses?

    Their sub-launched cruise missile capability isn’t sufficient to destroy those targets without using nukes.


  118. Lily
    120 | September 19, 2012 5:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    It just stuns me with a bad economy and the Islamic meltdown, that Obama is in the running. It shows the power of the media and entertainment industry.

    Yes it does. But a lot of people are seein that even though the media has always leaned democratic…the MSM is really just another arm of the obama re-election campagin. Even normal people are noticing that. Of course some people just spew the talking points of MSNBC like it’s the gospel too.


  119. 121 | September 19, 2012 5:08 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    It’s just crazy.


  120. 122 | September 19, 2012 5:08 pm

    @ Lily:

    The media needs to be treated as a hostile entity.


  121. lobo91
    123 | September 19, 2012 5:10 pm

    @ Lily:

    The main function of MSNBC at this point is to give conservatives something to laugh at.

    Tonight’s Rockies game will have more TV viewers than their primetime shows will.


  122. Lily
    124 | September 19, 2012 5:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    The media needs to be treated as a hostile entity.

    Yeah really they do.


  123. Daffy Duck
    125 | September 19, 2012 5:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Their sub-launched cruise missile capability isn’t sufficient to destroy those targets without using nukes.

    I guess I’m speculating by combining multiple posters thoughts:

    1. DaBeerfreak suggested the nuke sites would be low priority for him, I’ll go w/ that.

    2. If IDF uses IAF in one-off ‘kamikaze,’ then Israel is totally defenseless to counter-strikes, that I would assume would come from all corners of the ME, not just Iran.

    3. Ergo, conventional SLCM against soft / infrastructure targets, and retain IAF for wiping out Arab air strikes that are sure to come.


  124. Lily
    126 | September 19, 2012 5:14 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That channel is full on batsh*t nuts to be honest. How anyone could watch it is beyond me.


  125. citizen_q
    127 | September 19, 2012 5:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Israel should not trust the Saudis.

    Very true.

    However should Israel trust the United States?

    Sorry to throw a bomb like that and run, but I have to go pick up the car the mechanic, dinner, and prepare for another round of night work.


  126. lobo91
    128 | September 19, 2012 5:16 pm

    @ Daffy Duck:

    All sub-launched cruise missiles aren’t created equal.

    The Israelis have a handful of small diesel-electric subs that can each launch a handful of missiles. They were designed to be a nuclear delivery system, not for conventional strikes.

    They probably can be fitted with conventional warheads, but they’d be fairly small (1,000-2,000 lbs). It’s not worth using them in that configuration.


  127. Lily
    129 | September 19, 2012 5:16 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    With obama as our president …no. And I think Israel knows that can’t trust us with this administration to be honest.


  128. lobo91
    130 | September 19, 2012 5:18 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Very true.

    However should Israel trust the United States?

    I think that if the Israelis have learned one thing over the decades, it’s that when it comes to their own security, they really can’t fully trust anyone but themselves.


  129. 131 | September 19, 2012 5:18 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    However should Israel trust the United States?

    That’s the sad part.


  130. Lily
    132 | September 19, 2012 5:19 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Even though Israel could possibly do this on their own our help would help greatly in the mission being successful. This is the way I see it.
    But they aren’t going to get that help with obama at the helm.


  131. lobo91
    133 | September 19, 2012 5:20 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    That channel is full on batsh*t nuts to be honest. How anyone could watch it is beyond me.

    It’s the TV version of Democratic Underground.

    I watched a few hours of it when I was in Kuwait, only because AFN runs their programming a few hours a day.

    It was pathetic.


  132. lobo91
    134 | September 19, 2012 5:21 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Even though Israel could possibly do this on their own our help would help greatly in the mission being successful. This is the way I see it.
    But they aren’t going to get that help with obama at the helm.

    No, they’re not.


  133. Daffy Duck
    135 | September 19, 2012 5:23 pm

    @ lobo91:

    That is probably true, but I would think that “throwing away” their air force, in what most here conclude would not be successful in eliminated Iran nuke program, well, that would also seem “not worth using them (IAF) in that configuration.”

    Hopefully, things stay stagnate over there for a few months, and we elect some adults to the lead us…


  134. Lily
    136 | September 19, 2012 5:24 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I can only imagine. I have youtube clips of MSNBC and frankly they are disgusting I don’t watch that channel ever.


  135. Daffy Duck
    137 | September 19, 2012 5:24 pm

    @ Lily:

    No, they are on their own right now.


  136. Lily
    138 | September 19, 2012 5:25 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Even though Israel could possibly do this on their own our help would help greatly in the mission being successful. This is the way I see it.
    But they aren’t going to get that help with obama at the helm.

    No, they’re not.

    I imagine they are going to be watching our election in November as closely as we are. Could be a game changer…and hopefully obama is voted out …. that would make my day.


  137. Lily
    139 | September 19, 2012 5:26 pm

    @ Daffy Duck:

    Yes they are. Very much so.


  138. lobo91
    140 | September 19, 2012 5:29 pm

    @ Lily:

    I imagine they are going to be watching our election in November as closely as we are. Could be a game changer…and hopefully obama is voted out …. that would make my day.

    If Obama is reelected, the odds of an Israeli attack go way up.

    They’ll basically have nothing to lose at that point.


  139. Alberta Oil Peon
    141 | September 19, 2012 5:29 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:
    I suspect that even if Obama were to order U.S. Navy fliers to block an Israeli air raid on Iran, that they would prove to be woefully under-equipped, and totally surprised.

    At least, that’s how the reports would read.


  140. Daffy Duck
    142 | September 19, 2012 5:30 pm

    @ Lily:

    Of course, with the spineless appeasor in office, I guess it’s safe to say that Japan is on it’s own (re: China), or Taiwan, or probably anybody that historically has figured on USA having their back.

    The world “blowing up” is the fruits of leading from behind.


  141. lobo91
    143 | September 19, 2012 5:31 pm

    @ Daffy Duck:

    That is probably true, but I would think that “throwing away” their air force, in what most here conclude would not be successful in eliminated Iran nuke program, well, that would also seem “not worth using them (IAF) in that configuration.”

    I don’t agree with the idea that they would lose their whole air force.

    They would probably suffer some significant losses, but by no means crippling.


  142. Daffy Duck
    144 | September 19, 2012 5:31 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Agree.


  143. Lily
    145 | September 19, 2012 5:31 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I imagine they are going to be watching our election in November as closely as we are. Could be a game changer…and hopefully obama is voted out …. that would make my day.

    If Obama is reelected, the odds of an Israeli attack go way up.

    They’ll basically have nothing to lose at that point.

    Yep and hopefully they don’t let the obama administration know how or in what way they will do it..because for obama will leak that information in a nano-second. They may could use him to leak the wrong information though.


  144. lobo91
    146 | September 19, 2012 5:32 pm

    @ Daffy Duck:

    Of course, with the spineless appeasor in office, I guess it’s safe to say that Japan is on it’s own (re: China), or Taiwan, or probably anybody that historically has figured on USA having their back

    .

    Including the 47% of Americans who didn’t vote for him.


  145. Alberta Oil Peon
    147 | September 19, 2012 5:33 pm

    @ John Difool:
    Text of Telex sent from Jerusalem to Moscow and Beijing: “Put up your lead-lined umbrellas, boys, it’s going to be raining radioactive mullah-dust.”


  146. Lily
    148 | September 19, 2012 5:35 pm

    Daffy Duck wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Of course, with the spineless appeasor in office, I guess it’s safe to say that Japan is on it’s own (re: China), or Taiwan, or probably anybody that historically has figured on USA having their back.

    The world “blowing up” is the fruits of leading from behind.

    Yeah I have heard some information about China going after Japan..don’t know how much truth is in them though. All of our Allies have been dissed by this president. Even our enemies are rather stunned we have this jellyfish as our president. That says a lot there. We have a jellyfish as our president. A rogue jellyfish.


  147. lobo91
    149 | September 19, 2012 5:35 pm

    @ Daffy Duck:

    People seem to forget that the Israeli military establishment is used to fighting where they’re outnumbered and the fate of their nation hangs in the balance.

    We’re not.


  148. Daffy Duck
    150 | September 19, 2012 5:36 pm

    @ lobo91:

    At #117, you agreed w/ John that catastrophic IAF losses were a possibility. I inferred John was talking about a one-way ticket to Tehran.

    Of course, if IAF can arrange re-fueling, then IAF is not a write-off, but in my post, I was suppossing that they would have no co-operation from USA, Saudi, anyone, and that once IAF is in the air to Iran, all of Middle East becomes hostile airspace.


  149. Alberta Oil Peon
    151 | September 19, 2012 5:38 pm

    @ John Difool:
    Little of that will make it to the Russian or Chinese heartlands. Probably the bulk of it will fall on places like Afghanistan, the islamic former SSRs, and the Uighur regions of China. Sucks to be them; but then again, it always did.


  150. Lily
    152 | September 19, 2012 5:39 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Daffy Duck:

    People seem to forget that the Israeli military establishment is used to fighting where they’re outnumbered and the fate of their nation hangs in the balance.

    We’re not.

    They are completely surrounded by enemies we are not. They have to be on their toes. A no brainer.


  151. lobo91
    153 | September 19, 2012 5:39 pm

    @ Daffy Duck:

    At #117, you agreed w/ John that catastrophic IAF losses were a possibility. I inferred John was talking about a one-way ticket to Tehran.

    I think it’s possible, but not necessarily likely.

    My real point is that that possibility wouldn’t necessarily prevent them from launching the attack anyway (unlike our own military, which would never do so).


  152. huckfunn
    154 | September 19, 2012 5:40 pm

    This is great! Congress just passed the Buffet Rule Act which makes it perfectly legal for anyone, not just billionaires, to pay more taxes if they feel they are not taxed enough. I hope the IRS will set up a separate account for all the money they collect under the new act so that we can see how much extra revenue those folks from the “I’m not taxed enough” set kick in.

    “If Warren Buffett and others like him truly feel they’re not paying enough in taxes, they can use the Buffett Rule Act to put their money where their mouth is and voluntarily send in more to pay down the national debt, rather than changing the entire tax code to inflict more job-killing tax hikes on hard-working Americans,” said Rep. Steve Scalise, the Louisiana Republican who wrote the bill.


  153. Lily
    155 | September 19, 2012 5:42 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Daffy Duck:

    At #117, you agreed w/ John that catastrophic IAF losses were a possibility. I inferred John was talking about a one-way ticket to Tehran.

    I think it’s possible, but not necessarily likely.

    My real point is that that possibility wouldn’t necessarily prevent them from launching the attack anyway (unlike our own military, which would never do so).

    No our military would never do so..but for Israel and I think not likely too..but it is life or death of their nation. They may have no choice..especially with obama in office.


  154. Daffy Duck
    156 | September 19, 2012 5:43 pm

    @ lobo91:

    OK, I think we’re on the same page, but just different paragraphs. :-)

    I agree w/ your take on Israeli ingenuity, and that they have beaten the odds before.


  155. Lily
    157 | September 19, 2012 5:43 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Who in their right mind says they aren’t taxed enough? The American people are over taxed.


  156. lobo91
    158 | September 19, 2012 5:45 pm

    @ Lily:

    No our military would never do so..but for Israel and I think not likely too..but it is life or death of their nation. They may have no choice..especially with obama in office.

    I’m pretty sure that if the choice is between losing a few planes and/or pilots and having their country destroyed, they’re going to pick the former.

    According to some people here, they should apparently just all go out and commit suicide, since there’s no way to accomplish the mission without losses.


  157. 160 | September 19, 2012 5:49 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    That was already legal. There is nothing stopping Buffet from cutting the IRS a check except greed, because Buffet should be taxed more. They should take that son of a bitch’s last dime.


  158. Lily
    161 | September 19, 2012 5:50 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    No our military would never do so..but for Israel and I think not likely too..but it is life or death of their nation. They may have no choice..especially with obama in office.

    I’m pretty sure that if the choice is losing a few planes and/or pilots and having their country destroyed, they’re going to pick the former.

    According to some people here, they should apparently just all go out and commit suicide, since there’s no way to accomplish the mission without losses.

    I think they are smarter than that … to be honest. Yes they may have to take some losses…but they know their enemey a hell of lot better than we do. So I think they could come up with a plan without committing suicide.


  159. huckfunn
    162 | September 19, 2012 5:50 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Who in their right mind says they aren’t taxed enough? The American people are over taxed.

    Remember the big flappadoodle when Warren Buffet said he wasn’t paying enough taxes? There were several folks that said the same thing, more or less. I think maybe Bruce Springsteen was one of them.


  160. Alberta Oil Peon
    163 | September 19, 2012 5:51 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Well, if I were in charge of planning Israel’s attack on Iran, I would use some nukes to seal off the entrances to the underground uranium enrichment plant. Some conventional bombs to wreck the infrastructure around the Bushehr reactor, but it’s not that much of a threat on its own, anyway.

    And I would target the homes, offices, and dachas of the entire regime: Ahmanutjob, his ministers, all the ayatollahs, and as many mullahs as I could reliably locate. Hit the Parliament buildings and government office towers. Hit naval bases, air force bases, army bases, and Revolutionary Guard bases. Kill, destroy and demoralize as much of the regime as possible, while trying to minimize civilian casualties.

    And with any luck, the pro-Democracy or Persian nationalist opposition groups will be sufficiently emboldened to start a revolution and overthrow the remnants of the regime.


  161. John Difool
    164 | September 19, 2012 5:51 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    This is great! Congress just passed the Buffet Rule Act which makes it perfectly legal for anyone, not just billionaires, to pay more taxes if they feel they are not taxed enough. I hope the IRS will set up a separate account for all the money they collect under the new act so that we can see how much extra revenue those folks from the “I’m not taxed enough” set kick in.
    “If Warren Buffett and others like him truly feel they’re not paying enough in taxes, they can use the Buffett Rule Act to put their money where their mouth is and voluntarily send in more to pay down the national debt, rather than changing the entire tax code to inflict more job-killing tax hikes on hard-working Americans,” said Rep. Steve Scalise, the Louisiana Republican who wrote the bill.

    The fine print on the bottom should read:

    Buffet Rule really means if you’re filthy rich as long as you say you’re down with the struggle you get a free pass & it doesn’t mean that you actually have to be down with the struggle.


  162. huckfunn
    165 | September 19, 2012 5:52 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    That was already legal.

    That’s why it’s so funny. The GOP congressmen were just poking Buffet in the eye.


  163. Lily
    166 | September 19, 2012 5:54 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Who in their right mind says they aren’t taxed enough? The American people are over taxed.

    Remember the big flappadoodle when Warren Buffet said he wasn’t paying enough taxes? There were several folks that said the same thing, more or less. I think maybe Bruce Springsteen was one of them.

    Yeah I remember it…what comes out of an idiots mouth is mindboggling at times.


  164. huckfunn
    167 | September 19, 2012 5:55 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    The fine print on the bottom should read:

    Buffet Rule really means if you’re filthy rich as long as you say you’re down with the struggle you get a free pass & it doesn’t mean that you actually have to be down with the struggle.

    The people who say “I’m not taxed enough” actually mean “everyone else should pay more taxes”.


  165. lobo91
    168 | September 19, 2012 5:56 pm

    @ Lily:

    I think they are smarter than that … to be honest. Yes they may have to take some losses…but they know their enemey a hell of lot better than we do. So I think they could come up with a plan without committing suicide.

    Not according to General Rodan. He says they can’t do it.

    And we’re all in agreement that Iran is building nuclear weapons, and that they’ll use them against Israel first chance they get.

    Thus, the only logical answer is the Israelis should all commit suicide, since it’s inevitable that they’re going to be killed anyway.


  166. 169 | September 19, 2012 5:59 pm

    Daffy Duck wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Of course, with the spineless appeasor in office, I guess it’s safe to say that Japan is on it’s own (re: China), or Taiwan, or probably anybody that historically has figured on USA having their back.

    The world “blowing up” is the fruits of leading from behind.

    I predict that if Обама is re-elected, Japan will go nuclear within six months to counter Red China and Korea Borealis. They already have that capability; they just haven’t put an arsenal together yet.


  167. Lily
    170 | September 19, 2012 6:00 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Well there are many ways Israel could handle this. And I don’t agree with them committing suicide…if they attack Iran they are actually trying to save their country..so if committing suicide is the only option why attack Iran at all?


  168. Alberta Oil Peon
    171 | September 19, 2012 6:02 pm

    @ Macker:
    Probably South Korea and Taiwan also.


  169. lobo91
    172 | September 19, 2012 6:03 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Well there are many ways Israel could handle this. And I don’t agree with them committing suicide…if they attack Iran they are actually trying to save their country..so if committing suicide is the only option why attack Iran at all?

    You’ll have to ask Rodan.

    He’s the one who insists that it can’t be done.


  170. lobo91
    173 | September 19, 2012 6:04 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ Macker:
    Probably South Korea and Taiwan also.

    So much for Obama’s “world without nuclear weapons.”

    Of course, we’ll continue our plans for unilateral disarmament.


  171. John Difool
    174 | September 19, 2012 6:09 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Daffy Duck wrote:
    @ Lily:
    Of course, with the spineless appeasor in office, I guess it’s safe to say that Japan is on it’s own (re: China), or Taiwan, or probably anybody that historically has figured on USA having their back.
    The world “blowing up” is the fruits of leading from behind.

    I predict that if Обама is re-elected, Japan will go nuclear within six months to counter Red China and Korea Borealis. They already have that capability; they just haven’t put an arsenal together yet.

    I think China saber-rattling & threatening to take those Japanese islands is a dry-run on Taiwan to see how we’ll react. Go after the low-hanging fruit first.

    Obama kicking with Jay-Z & Beyonce underneath an 800k dollar tower of champagne at a swank NY club while our embassies were burning & our people were being killed, pretty much sent them a loud & clear message on that.


  172. 175 | September 19, 2012 6:11 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Geral Rodan?

    In a dickish mood I see. I guess people can’t have opinions of their own? Many Israelis says they can’t pull it off. Many of them served in the IDF, so they are talking shit?

    I guess you can’t handle differing opinions.


  173. 176 | September 19, 2012 6:12 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Drinking already, that’s why you are in an asshole mood?


  174. lobo91
    177 | September 19, 2012 6:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Geral Rodan?

    In a dickish mood I see. I guess people can’t have opinions of their own? Many Israelis says they can’t pull it off. Many of them served in the IDF, so they are talking shit?

    I guess you can’t handle differing opinions.

    All I’m doing is spelling out the inevitable conclusion of your assertions.

    Where am I wrong?


  175. lobo91
    178 | September 19, 2012 6:15 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Drinking already, that’s why you are in an asshole mood?

    Um…you’re the one calling people names.

    If anyone around here has a problem, it’s you.


  176. coldwarrior
    179 | September 19, 2012 6:19 pm

    jeez. overtime i log on anymore its fights.

    oh well. see yin later.


  177. 180 | September 19, 2012 6:19 pm

    @ lobo91:

    You started with the name calling here. Don’t play the self righteous victim here.

    If being a wise ass makes you feel better about yourself, then knock yourself out.

    You obviously can’t handle disagreement and prefer an echo chamber.

    Life is too short, I have better things to do with my time and get into a tit for tat over disagreeing over Israel striking Iran.

    Have good one.


  178. Lily
    181 | September 19, 2012 6:20 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    No fighting here. Hang around for a while. I give you a martini..
    <<<<<<<<<<<<< Martini for CW. ;)


  179. yenta-fada
    182 | September 19, 2012 6:21 pm

    What the lefties fail to take into consideration (or simply don’t even notice) is that Iran is ambitious wrt the rest of the Middle East. The Muslim Brotherhood takeover WILL reach Saudi Arabia and the rest of those oil rich states who pay other people to do the real work for them. The Sunni and Shia factions will continue to fester, and with increasing chaos, devolve into more dangerous tribalism. I know nothing about the military, but I’ve certainly learned about Islam. The Jews are first, but the Christians, African animists, Thai buddhists, etc. are already targets everywhere. We aren’t really ‘people’ to “devout” Muslims. The underpinnings of that so called religion are completely irrational. China and Russia don’t want their oil supplies disrupted. (Although Russia has oil)


  180. Lily
    183 | September 19, 2012 6:23 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Macker wrote:

    Daffy Duck wrote:
    @ Lily:
    Of course, with the spineless appeasor in office, I guess it’s safe to say that Japan is on it’s own (re: China), or Taiwan, or probably anybody that historically has figured on USA having their back.
    The world “blowing up” is the fruits of leading from behind.

    I predict that if Обама is re-elected, Japan will go nuclear within six months to counter Red China and Korea Borealis. They already have that capability; they just haven’t put an arsenal together yet.

    I think China saber-rattling & threatening to take those Japanese islands is a dry-run on Taiwan to see how we’ll react. Go after the low-hanging fruit first.

    Obama kicking with Jay-Z & Beyonce underneath an 800k dollar tower of champagne at a swank NY club while our embassies were burning & our people were being killed, pretty much sent them a loud & clear message on that.

    What does our preezy say about this? I thought I had read a few articiles about China wanting to take on Japan …. really as the world is burning our allies are being threatened obama is partying to raise funds for his re-election campagin.


  181. lobo91
    184 | September 19, 2012 6:25 pm

    @ Lily:

    as the world is burning our allies are being threatened obama is partying to raise funds for his re-election campagin.

    Priorities


  182. Lily
    185 | September 19, 2012 6:26 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Bingo…China is getting oil in Sudan while the Islamists are murdering whoever they can find or take them for slaves.


  183. Lily
    186 | September 19, 2012 6:27 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Russia wants to have a corner on the oil market…leverage to the EU.


  184. 188 | September 19, 2012 6:30 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    I think it is worse than that. I think Obama doesn’t give a rat’s ass if there is a nuclear exchange between Israel and Iran. Israel gets wiped out and Iran loses a couple of cities. The mullahs consider it cheap at that price, and I think Obama agrees with them. He wants Iran to nuke Israel. He is that much a Third World anti-Semite.
    I agree with you—except that I think he first wants to force Israel into deep concessions to the “Palestinians,” for two reasons:
    1) He wants to be lionized as the Man Who Created the Palestinian State; and
    2) He wants to stick it to Israel, and be seen to be sticking it to Israel, for his own personal gratification.
    After these things are accomplished, he’s perfectly OK with the exchange you describe—and, if the “Palestinians” are vaporized in the process, he won’t care. He just wants to hand Jerusalem over to the Muslims first.

    He’s a complete monster who likes to harm people purely for shits and grins, and on top of that, he wants adulation for being just what he is.


  185. yenta-fada
    189 | September 19, 2012 6:30 pm

    A lot of people I know are going through difficult times with health, money, family, work, etc. The stresses are real. It’s not like the old days when we could have a ‘fight night’. sigh :-(
    I wish I were a New Age moonbat who keeps seeing the pony in the horseshit. /


  186. 190 | September 19, 2012 6:30 pm

    Lily wrote:

    What does our preezy say about this? I thought I had read a few articiles about China wanting to take on Japan …. really as the world is burning our allies are being threatened obama is partying to raise funds for his re-election campagin.

    Either that, or as it was put so delicately in a downstairs thread…puffing some peters…that’s more important than the whole damn world blowing up!


  187. John Difool
    191 | September 19, 2012 6:31 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    as the world is burning our allies are being threatened obama is partying to raise funds for his re-election campagin.
    Priorities

    The world knows we have an incompetent eunuch as CINC who’s priorities are hanging out with the rich & famous & going on Late Night with David Letterman, this is why we’re starting to see the settling of scores now.

    Last Sunday we saw the most fights in NFL history & a lot of dirty playing & tons of blown calls thanks to the scab refs being on the field. The players were trying the refs & seeing what they could get away with.

    We have a scab president in the Whitehouse.


  188. Lily
    192 | September 19, 2012 6:31 pm

    Everyone left???
    Come on guys everyone has a different opinion.


  189. 193 | September 19, 2012 6:32 pm

    @ Lily:

    Oh great, another reason for Обама’s cheerleaders to blame Bush….


  190. 194 | September 19, 2012 6:33 pm

    @ Lily:

    Our “allies” being threatened doesn’t threaten Obama’s power-base except inasmuch as it threatens his re-election. Obama calculates that he has more to gain by partying with Beyonce and Jay-Z than he has to lose. He thinks that he has 47% of the vote locked up, and only has to snare another 3%. In this he is probably right (as was Romney when he said that he couldn’t win 47% of the voters, and implied that he wasn’t going to try). Those numbers are fairly accurate. No one is really denying them. Where Obama may be miscalculating though is his estimates of the enthusiasm of those 47%. If they aren’t really motivated to turn out, Romney will win by default. Obama is not a very strategic thinker. He never has had to be, though. He is used to everything being given to him on a silver platter. I hope that he is in for a nasty surprise over this. Enthusiasm is with the Romney voters. Not only do they like Romney (he continues to impress the base), but they really, really really dislike Obama. I am hoping that the enthusiasm gap is big enough for us to win the election on. I think it will be, but this will be a very close election.


  191. Lily
    195 | September 19, 2012 6:34 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    as the world is burning our allies are being threatened obama is partying to raise funds for his re-election campagin.
    Priorities

    The world knows we have an incompetent eunuch as CINC who’s priorities are hanging out with the rich & famous & going on Late Night with David Letterman, this is why we’re starting to see the settling of scores now.

    Last Sunday we saw the most fights in NFL history & a lot of dirty playing & tons of blown calls thanks to the scab refs being on the field. The players were trying the refs & seeing what they could get away with.

    We have a scab president in the Whitehouse.

    Wait a minute…the most fights in NFL history and a lot of dirty playing in the games last Sunday …yet I thought banning Sean Payton from the Saints Team for a damn year was suppose to fix that!!! Make an example out of the team so this sort of stuff doesn’t happen!!!
    (Since my Saints Team has been over bitch-slapped I haven’t gotten into football too much yet).


  192. lobo91
    196 | September 19, 2012 6:37 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Well isn’t this special…

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/09/19/report-jihadist-who-led-benghazi-attack-was-a-former-gitmo-detainee-released-by-u-s-in-2007/

    Terrorist grad school


  193. yenta-fada
    197 | September 19, 2012 6:37 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Russia wants to have a corner on the oil market…leverage to the EU.

    What I read that was back during the Nixon administration, Kissinger made a deal with Saudi Arabia to make sure that oil was internationally traded in the U.S. dollar. Essentially it is a “petrodollar currency”. Now nations are trading outside of the dollar, e.g. due to sanctions on Iran or, in the case of the Chinese, they are willing to trade in gold. There are so many games out there being played for resources, including food and clean water. The military is supposed to back the resources of a nation, but China is just buying them up everywhere it can since it holds a trillion or so U.S. treasuries. It’s a way to both diversify, get what they need, and internationalize the yuan. The things done in the name of religion just screws everything up even more.


  194. John Difool
    198 | September 19, 2012 6:37 pm

    First there was Wedding Gifts for Obama……Now it’s Yardsales for Obama.

    Surely to be followed by car washes & bake sales for Obama.


  195. Lily
    199 | September 19, 2012 6:38 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    A lot of people I know are going through difficult times with health, money, family, work, etc. The stresses are real. It’s not like the old days when we could have a ‘fight night’. sigh
    I wish I were a New Age moonbat who keeps seeing the pony in the horseshit. /

    Trust me you don’t want to be a moonbat who believe it or not are basically hysterical screaming fools. Their blood pressure rises just if you disagree with them. Not to mention they are very quick to temper.


  196. Lily
    201 | September 19, 2012 6:39 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    What does our preezy say about this? I thought I had read a few articiles about China wanting to take on Japan …. really as the world is burning our allies are being threatened obama is partying to raise funds for his re-election campagin.

    Either that, or as it was put so delicately in a downstairs thread…puffing some peters…that’s more important than the whole damn world blowing up!

    Insanity at it’s best …obama. But even though I may say insanity he knows what he is doing. Damn fool.


  197. Da_Beerfreak
    202 | September 19, 2012 6:40 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ Macker:
    Probably South Korea and Taiwan also.

    Even the Australian Government has sent up ‘trial balloons’ on building their own nuclear deterrent as a counter to the Chicoms.

    Mr. Peace Prize is causing the largest nuclear arms race in history…


  198. yenta-fada
    203 | September 19, 2012 6:40 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    The American people do not recognize the psychopathic side of Ozero because he is partly black. Culturally he is a hybrid of Muslim, black, and white, but they don’t see that either.


  199. lobo91
    204 | September 19, 2012 6:40 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Our “allies” being threatened doesn’t threaten Obama’s power-base except inasmuch as it threatens his re-election. Obama calculates that he has more to gain by partying with Beyonce and Jay-Z than he has to lose. He thinks that he has 47% of the vote locked up, and only has to snare another 3%.

    He thinks that his base will think it shows how cool he is.

    I think a lot of them are probably not all that impressed, while they’re scraping together the spare change to rent a DVD.


  200. 205 | September 19, 2012 6:41 pm

    @ John Difool:

    These are not the acts of someone with confidence in winning in November. Obama isn’t raising money the way he expected to be. This is good. Did you see that the DNC finished up something like $15 million in the hole? Couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch of anti-American abortion fanatics…


  201. yenta-fada
    206 | September 19, 2012 6:42 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Well isn’t this special…
    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/09/19/report-jihadist-who-led-benghazi-attack-was-a-former-gitmo-detainee-released-by-u-s-in-2007/
    Terrorist grad school

    Those guys did the work/study program before grad school.


  202. 207 | September 19, 2012 6:42 pm

    Lily wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    A lot of people I know are going through difficult times with health, money, family, work, etc. The stresses are real. It’s not like the old days when we could have a ‘fight night’. sigh
    I wish I were a New Age moonbat who keeps seeing the pony in the horseshit. /

    Trust me you don’t want to be a moonbat who believe it or not are basically hysterical screaming fools. Their blood pressure rises just if you disagree with them. Not to mention they are very quick to temper.

    Not to mention their obvious fate in the hereafter for all the evil they do and all the malice they bear.


  203. lobo91
    208 | September 19, 2012 6:42 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Mr. Peace Prize is causing the largest nuclear arms race in history…

    Since he wants to get rid of ours, maybe we could sell them instead of destroying them.

    At least it would bring in some cash…


  204. Da_Beerfreak
    209 | September 19, 2012 6:43 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ Macker:
    Probably South Korea and Taiwan also.

    So much for Obama’s “world without nuclear weapons.”

    Of course, we’ll continue our plans for unilateral disarmament.

    Mr. Peace Prize has only been interested in a “world without American nuclear weapons”.


  205. 210 | September 19, 2012 6:43 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah, maybe it is just me, but Obama seems surprisingly tone-deaf to that. Most Americans would like to have regular jobs. They don’t want to live off the leavings of an eliet class.


  206. lobo91
    211 | September 19, 2012 6:43 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Culturally he is a hybrid of Muslim, black, and white, but they don’t see that either.

    Culturally, he’s mostly red.


  207. yenta-fada
    212 | September 19, 2012 6:44 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
    @ Macker:
    Probably South Korea and Taiwan also.
    Even the Australian Government has sent up ‘trial balloons’ on building their own nuclear deterrent as a counter to the Chicoms.
    Mr. Peace Prize is causing the largest nuclear arms race in history…

    That is a clear statement.


  208. Lily
    213 | September 19, 2012 6:44 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think you are right. obama’s base isn’t all that happy with him. Even though they may not be able to vote Republican they just may not vote at all.


  209. 214 | September 19, 2012 6:45 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    The American people do not recognize the psychopathic side of Ozero because he is partly black. Culturally he is a hybrid of Muslim, black, and white, but they don’t see that either.

    The prisons are full of psychopaths of every shade, but the crime shows on television mostly demonize white, native-born Americans who are either from Christian families or whose religious background is unspecified.


  210. yenta-fada
    215 | September 19, 2012 6:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Culturally he is a hybrid of Muslim, black, and white, but they don’t see that either.
    Culturally, he’s mostly red.

    I forgot that. No wonder he’s such a confused lame POS.


  211. yenta-fada
    216 | September 19, 2012 6:46 pm

    Dinner.


  212. 217 | September 19, 2012 6:46 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
    @ Macker:
    Probably South Korea and Taiwan also.
    Even the Australian Government has sent up ‘trial balloons’ on building their own nuclear deterrent as a counter to the Chicoms.
    Mr. Peace Prize is causing the largest nuclear arms race in history…
    That is a clear statement.

    I’m more worried about their proximity to the Norks and to Pakistan. That’s an immediate threat and both countries are ruled by madmen.

    If I were an Aussie I’d be pushing for that option for sure. H-bombs, ICBMs, full-on nuclear missile defense systems, the whole works. Without delay.


  213. Lily
    218 | September 19, 2012 6:47 pm

    @ lobo91:

    obama promised to close Gitmo …hasn’t happened his base must not be too happy here either.
    obama made a lot of promise’s he hasn’t kept but he sure has kept his Marxist promises.


  214. lobo91
    219 | September 19, 2012 6:48 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    The prisons are full of psychopaths of every shade, but the crime shows on television mostly demonize white, native-born Americans who are either from Christian families or whose religious background is unspecified.

    Remember the “DC sniper” case?

    They were convinced the perp was a middle-aged white guy. Right up until the slapped the cuffs on a black Muslim convert.

    Oops.


  215. Lily
    220 | September 19, 2012 6:48 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    First there was Wedding Gifts for Obama……Now it’s Yardsales for Obama.

    Surely to be followed by car washes & bake sales for Obama.

    Saw that. When people have yard sales they need the money for themselves not some rich politican who is rolling in the money and doing everything to hurt the United States.


  216. 221 | September 19, 2012 6:50 pm

    @ Lily:

    I saw the other day where some black ministers were encouraging their parishiners to do exactly that. I think that black Christians are going to have to choose between their faith and their Party. What I am afraid, though, is that the vast majority of them will choose their race and party. While I think Obama’s enthusiasm even among black voters will be less than it was in 2008, I do expect him to take 99% of the black vote. I think it has been established beyond any reasonable doubt that if white people voted their race as strongly as blacks do, Obama wouldn’t have made it much beyond the State Senate.


  217. lobo91
    222 | September 19, 2012 6:50 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah, maybe it is just me, but Obama seems surprisingly tone-deaf to that. Most Americans would like to have regular jobs. They don’t want to live off the leavings of an eliet class.

    I know I would.

    Although in my case, I’m living off savings. I don’t even get any benefits. Hell, I can’t even access what limited military benefits I’m supposed to have, since they’ve screwed up my ID.


  218. 223 | September 19, 2012 6:51 pm

    Lily wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    First there was Wedding Gifts for Obama……Now it’s Yardsales for Obama.
    Surely to be followed by car washes & bake sales for Obama.

    Saw that. When people have yard sales they need the money for themselves not some rich politican who is rolling in the money and doing everything to hurt the United States.

    I live in a motorhome and I don’t have any unneeded items left to sell at a yard sale even for my own benefit. If I had anything to donate I’d have given it to the missions anyway.

    People here must be too broke to spend their money even at yard sales, which is why I see fewer and fewer of them as time goes by.


  219. Lily
    224 | September 19, 2012 6:52 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ Macker:
    Probably South Korea and Taiwan also.

    Even the Australian Government has sent up ‘trial balloons’ on building their own nuclear deterrent as a counter to the Chicoms.

    Mr. Peace Prize is causing the largest nuclear arms race in history…

    Good grief a complete nightmare!!! This is what happens when the United States has a jellyfish as a president.


  220. lobo91
    225 | September 19, 2012 6:54 pm

    @ Lily:

    Good grief a complete nightmare!!! This is what happens when the United States has a jellyfish as a president.

    Don’t insult jellyfish.


  221. Lily
    226 | September 19, 2012 6:56 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah, maybe it is just me, but Obama seems surprisingly tone-deaf to that. Most Americans would like to have regular jobs. They don’t want to live off the leavings of an eliet class.

    He is tone deaf! I mean he keeps doubling-down on crap that isn’t working for his campagin or our country!!! In fact he really is trying to run on the same things he did in 2008. No imagination at all. It is his 2008 re-do.


  222. buzzsawmonkey
    227 | September 19, 2012 6:56 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    First there was Wedding Gifts for Obama……Now it’s Yardsales for Obama.

    Surely to be followed by car washes & bake sales for Obama.

    Hey—if kiddies are having their lemonade stands shut down because of Obama’s regulations, as they are, bake sales have to be a fast ticket to the hoosegow.


  223. 228 | September 19, 2012 6:57 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
    @ Macker:
    Probably South Korea and Taiwan also.
    Even the Australian Government has sent up ‘trial balloons’ on building their own nuclear deterrent as a counter to the Chicoms.
    Mr. Peace Prize is causing the largest nuclear arms race in history…

    Good grief a complete nightmare!!! This is what happens when the United States has a jellyfish as a president.

    He’s a helluva lot worse than a jellyfish. He’s pure evil.

    Oh, and BTW, Bill Clinton actually started it by bombing the Serbs. Every other country on the planet saw that, without nukes, they were vulnerable.

    Then, Hussein pulled the rug out from under Gadhafi after Gadhafi had agreed to give up his nuke program.


  224. buzzsawmonkey
    229 | September 19, 2012 6:57 pm

    Lily wrote:

    He is tone deaf! I mean he keeps doubling-down on crap that isn’t working for his campagin or our country!!!

    He’s not tone-deaf; he’s a would-be dictator. He doesn’t give a shit what “works for the country”; all that matters is what he thinks should happen.


  225. John Difool
    230 | September 19, 2012 6:59 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    First there was Wedding Gifts for Obama……Now it’s Yardsales for Obama.
    Surely to be followed by car washes & bake sales for Obama.
    Hey—if kiddies are having their lemonade stands shut down because of Obama’s regulations, as they are, bake sales have to be a fast ticket to the hoosegow.

    I’ll bet you would get an exception if half or more of that money was going towards Dear Leader’s re-election efforts.


  226. Lily
    231 | September 19, 2012 7:00 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    The American people do not recognize the psychopathic side of Ozero because he is partly black. Culturally he is a hybrid of Muslim, black, and white, but they don’t see that either.

    The prisons are full of psychopaths of every shade, but the crime shows on television mostly demonize white, native-born Americans who are either from Christian families or whose religious background is unspecified.

    You mean the made-up ones? The Real Interrogations doesn’t show all white criminals at all. The made up TV shows aren’t anywhere near what happens in real life. My son is a Deputy with the Sheriff’s and doesn’t care for any of the made-up TV shows but he does like the shows on I.D. channel. Investigative Discovery Channel.


  227. John Difool
    232 | September 19, 2012 7:01 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
    @ Macker:
    Probably South Korea and Taiwan also.
    Even the Australian Government has sent up ‘trial balloons’ on building their own nuclear deterrent as a counter to the Chicoms.
    Mr. Peace Prize is causing the largest nuclear arms race in history…
    Good grief a complete nightmare!!! This is what happens when the United States has a jellyfish as a president.

    He’s a helluva lot worse than a jellyfish. He’s pure evil.
    Oh, and BTW, Bill Clinton actually started it by bombing the Serbs. Every other country on the planet saw that, without nukes, they were vulnerable.
    Then, Hussein pulled the rug out from under Gadhafi after Gadhafi had agreed to give up his nuke program.

    That shit would have never happened to the Serbs with Putin in charge of the U.S.S.R.

    In fact, they should have a do-over.


  228. Lily
    233 | September 19, 2012 7:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ 1389AD:

    The prisons are full of psychopaths of every shade, but the crime shows on television mostly demonize white, native-born Americans who are either from Christian families or whose religious background is unspecified.

    Remember the “DC sniper” case?

    They were convinced the perp was a middle-aged white guy. Right up until the slapped the cuffs on a black Muslim convert.

    Oops.

    Well actually *trying* to profile a killer is very hard to do.
    To be honest not all killers fit a certain *profile*. This is a work in progress to be honest. Sometimes *profiling* helps and sometimes it falls flat on it’s face. For example at one time they thought serial killers didn’t kill out of their race group. Since then this has been proven wrong.


  229. Lily
    235 | September 19, 2012 7:10 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I agree to a point. Race vs. Faith/Religion/and Religious Tenets.
    More than a few are going to land on the side of their faith…because what obama is trying to do goes against everything they believe in. But hey I’m in the South and religion is taken seriously. Obama has hurt himself here by going against religious tenets. Especially doubling down on abortion/gay marriage/and his war on religion which is our Constitutional right. Freedom OF Religion.
    So like you say he may still gather most of the black vote..he will not have all of it this time around.


  230. lobo91
    236 | September 19, 2012 7:13 pm

    @ Lily:

    Well actually *trying* to profile a killer is very hard to do.
    To be honest not all killers fit a certain *profile*. This is a work in progress to be honest. Sometimes *profiling* helps and sometimes it falls flat on it’s face. For example at one time they thought serial killers didn’t kill out of their race group. Since then this has been proven wrong.

    In that case, they were completey wrong, because he wasn’t a serial killer. He was a jihadist.


  231. Lily
    237 | September 19, 2012 7:13 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    I really haven’t seen that many myself since you have mentioned it.
    But then again I haven’t been looking for yard sales. Of course with you being in Motor home like my parents there is just so much you can keep…space is at premium. So gifts to my parents are either edible or flowers. That either have time limit or they can eat.


  232. lobo91
    238 | September 19, 2012 7:14 pm

    @ Lily:

    Obama has hurt himself here by going against religious tenets. Especially doubling down on abortion/gay marriage/and his war on religion which is our Constitutional right.

    In Obama’s America, you have whatever rights he decides you can have.


  233. Lily
    239 | September 19, 2012 7:15 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Good grief a complete nightmare!!! This is what happens when the United States has a jellyfish as a president.

    Don’t insult jellyfish.

    Ever stepped on one of them somes-of-b*tches??? They hurt!!!! August is the season they are really in flare!!!! Living close to the coast I have no love for jellyfishes.


  234. Lily
    240 | September 19, 2012 7:17 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    I have no disagreement with obama being evil. He cares for no one but himself and he certainly doesn’t love the country he is suppose to govern. I don’t like jellyfish anyway. Those things are a meance.


  235. Lily
    241 | September 19, 2012 7:19 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    He is tone deaf! I mean he keeps doubling-down on crap that isn’t working for his campagin or our country!!!

    He’s not tone-deaf; he’s a would-be dictator. He doesn’t give a shit what “works for the country”; all that matters is what he thinks should happen.

    True. He doesn’t care what works for our country…but he is tone deaf just like all wanna-be dictators. They don’t care about the people at all..only themselves.


  236. Lily
    242 | September 19, 2012 7:22 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Syrian general: We planned to send chemical weapons to Hezbollah

    This is getting worse by the second. Do we even have the intell to know what is what here?


  237. buzzsawmonkey
    243 | September 19, 2012 7:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    In Obama’s America, you have whatever rights he decides you can have.

    That is because he believes in “human rights”—i.e., rights as special privileges held by favored groups by government dispensation—instead of liberty protected by civil rights.


  238. lobo91
    244 | September 19, 2012 7:23 pm

    @ Lily:

    True. He doesn’t care what works for our country…but he is tone deaf just like all wanna-be dictators. They don’t care about the people at all..only themselves.

    He knows that what he’s doing won’t work. That’s the plan.

    You can’t “fundamentally transform” a country without tearing down the existing one first.


  239. 245 | September 19, 2012 7:23 pm

    Lily wrote:

    1389AD wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    @ 1389AD:
    The American people do not recognize the psychopathic side of Ozero because he is partly black. Culturally he is a hybrid of Muslim, black, and white, but they don’t see that either.
    The prisons are full of psychopaths of every shade, but the crime shows on television mostly demonize white, native-born Americans who are either from Christian families or whose religious background is unspecified.

    You mean the made-up ones? The Real Interrogations doesn’t show all white criminals at all. The made up TV shows aren’t anywhere near what happens in real life. My son is a Deputy with the Sheriff’s and doesn’t care for any of the made-up TV shows but he does like the shows on I.D. channel. Investigative Discovery Channel.

    We don’t get all that many channels here; we just get the basic cable that comes with our RV park rental. My husband watches both the made-up stuff and a couple of shows that are real. Problem is, both of those cherry pick cases that have non-Muslim white people for the bad guys.


  240. Speranza
    246 | September 19, 2012 7:26 pm

    Via The Jerusalem Post
    Experts: Only US can destroy Iran’s nuke program


  241. Lily
    247 | September 19, 2012 7:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Well actually *trying* to profile a killer is very hard to do.
    To be honest not all killers fit a certain *profile*. This is a work in progress to be honest. Sometimes *profiling* helps and sometimes it falls flat on it’s face. For example at one time they thought serial killers didn’t kill out of their race group. Since then this has been proven wrong.

    In that case, they were completey wrong, because he wasn’t a serial killer. He was a jihadist.

    Yep. So they didn’t even take that into account. Not sure if it would have mattered. He didn’t leave any signs behind (before they caught him) like allah akbar or such. It was only after they caught him they knew his real intent. If I remember correctly it was a sharp-eyed truck driver that actually got him caught too.


  242. John Difool
    248 | September 19, 2012 7:26 pm

    Lily wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    Syrian general: We planned to send chemical weapons to Hezbollah
    This is getting worse by the second. Do we even have the intell to know what is what here?

    The general defected three months ago so no telling if those weapons have been delivered since then. However, there has been significant Quds/Republican Guard force incursions into Lebanon over the past week supplying the Hezzbolls, so maybe the Iranians brought it for them.


  243. 249 | September 19, 2012 7:27 pm

    Lily wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    Syrian general: We planned to send chemical weapons to Hezbollah
    This is getting worse by the second. Do we even have the intell to know what is what here?

    Nope.

    Only thing I know is this: bad as the Syrian government and Hezbollah are, their enemies are worse. Their enemies want to install straight-up shariah, and no Christians will survive there.

    And where did the Syrians get those chem weapons? I seem to recall our having pissed away so much time before attacking Saddam Hussein that he had plenty of time to offload most of his contraband to Syria.

    We would have been better off having no involvement in either Gulf War, merely telling everyone involved that we will nuke them without warning if they attack any US businesses or citizens, and we will let them alone for the time being if they keep their problems among themselves.


  244. lobo91
    250 | September 19, 2012 7:29 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    And where did the Syrians get those chem weapons? I seem to recall our having pissed away so much time before attacking Saddam Hussein that he had plenty of time to offload most of his contraband to Syria.

    Some probably did come from Iraq, but Syria has been a producer of chemical weapons for decades.


  245. Lily
    251 | September 19, 2012 7:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    True. He doesn’t care what works for our country…but he is tone deaf just like all wanna-be dictators. They don’t care about the people at all..only themselves.

    He knows that what he’s doing won’t work. That’s the plan.

    You can’t “fundamentally transform” a country without tearing down the existing one first.

    Do you think he is that astute? Or did he under-estimate the tearing down of the United States?


  246. 252 | September 19, 2012 7:29 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Via The Jerusalem Post
    Experts: Only US can destroy Iran’s nuke program

    If anybody with any sense were in office here, we’d already have dropped thermonuclear devices on every hardened target that might be concealing a nuclear installation.


  247. Lily
    253 | September 19, 2012 7:30 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    1389AD wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    @ 1389AD:
    The American people do not recognize the psychopathic side of Ozero because he is partly black. Culturally he is a hybrid of Muslim, black, and white, but they don’t see that either.
    The prisons are full of psychopaths of every shade, but the crime shows on television mostly demonize white, native-born Americans who are either from Christian families or whose religious background is unspecified.

    You mean the made-up ones? The Real Interrogations doesn’t show all white criminals at all. The made up TV shows aren’t anywhere near what happens in real life. My son is a Deputy with the Sheriff’s and doesn’t care for any of the made-up TV shows but he does like the shows on I.D. channel. Investigative Discovery Channel.

    We don’t get all that many channels here; we just get the basic cable that comes with our RV park rental. My husband watches both the made-up stuff and a couple of shows that are real. Problem is, both of those cherry pick cases that have non-Muslim white people for the bad guys.

    Not the ones I’ve seen. Now I can agree on one thing I haven’t seen any muslim bad guys on any of the shows.


  248. lobo91
    254 | September 19, 2012 7:31 pm

    @ Lily:

    Do you think he is that astute?

    Yes


  249. lobo91
    255 | September 19, 2012 7:34 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Via The Jerusalem Post
    Experts: Only US can destroy Iran’s nuke program

    “Israel does not have the capability to carry out preventive strikes that could do more than delay Iran’s efforts for a year or two,” the report said

    I’m pretty sure that I said exactly that upthread.

    If the alternative is doing nothing and waiting to be killed, though, which do you think they’ll do?


  250. Lily
    256 | September 19, 2012 7:35 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I have to admit he has done a rather good job of being bad for our country in every area.


  251. lobo91
    257 | September 19, 2012 7:36 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    I have to admit he has done a rather good job of being bad for our country in every area.

    Nobody’s that (un)lucky.


  252. Lily
    258 | September 19, 2012 7:39 pm

    @ lobo91:

    True. He has divided this country and it’s just full of vingear and spit at each other ….


  253. 259 | September 19, 2012 7:44 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Not the ones I’ve seen. Now I can agree on one thing I haven’t seen any muslim bad guys on any of the shows.

    I can remember exactly ONE with a Muslim terrorist bad guy.

    White perps are overrepresented, both in terms of the percentage of the population as a whole, and in terms of the percentage of the population who are convicted of crimes. Although that might be because it’s hard to write a good detective story about a common street criminal or ghetto thug.

    But you NEVER see a story where an obviously liberal politician, bureaucrat, journalist, NGO creepazoid, or academic is caught committing a felony and has to pay the price for it. I suppose that is because, in real life, those types nearly always get away with the evil that they do.


  254. 260 | September 19, 2012 7:47 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    They may get away with it here on earth, but when it is time, they, like all of us, must answer to God Himself.


  255. Speranza
    261 | September 19, 2012 7:51 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    Via The Jerusalem Post
    Experts: Only US can destroy Iran’s nuke program

    “Israel does not have the capability to carry out preventive strikes that could do more than delay Iran’s efforts for a year or two,” the report said
    I’m pretty sure that I said exactly that upthread.
    If the alternative is doing nothing and waiting to be killed, though, which do you think they’ll do?

    My opinion is that if they were going to attack they would have done it when Bush was president. I still do not see the route they can take to Natanz (and what would be waiting for them if they could some how get there?). The idea that the Saudis will allow them to overfly their territory is a pipe dream. As I wrote almost three years ago on this very blog -- don’t be transfixed by Raid on Entebbe movies. Somethings are one off deals and cannot be repeated. Just my opinion.


  256. Speranza
    262 | September 19, 2012 7:54 pm

    Who’s sabotqaging Iran’s nuclear program?

    Tehran says power lines to two nuclear facilities were blown up—and is pointing the finger at outside sources. Has the West’s stealth war on Iran’s nukes gone from cyber warfare and targeted killings to attacks on civilian infrastructure?


  257. huckfunn
    263 | September 19, 2012 8:05 pm

    Haw! Iranian cleric gets his ass kicked by woman after he tells her she’s “badly covered”. Feel good story of the day.


  258. Da_Beerfreak
    264 | September 19, 2012 8:45 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Who’s sabotqaging Iran’s nuclear program?

    Tehran says power lines to two nuclear facilities were blown up—and is pointing the finger at outside sources. Has the West’s stealth war on Iran’s nukes gone from cyber warfare and targeted killings to attacks on civilian infrastructure?

    One can only hope… :wink:


  259. Alberta Oil Peon
    265 | September 19, 2012 9:36 pm

    @ John Difool:
    “Ain’t got no yard? Ain’t got no oven? Pimp yo’ ass for Obama!”


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