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Inconvenient truths are the ultimate gaffes

by Speranza ( 175 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Elections 2012, Media, Mitt Romney at September 21st, 2012 - 8:00 am

The Knish eviscerates the”gotcha” culture of manufactured “gaffes”. Somehow pointing out that Obama apologized to the Islamic world (which he did) is a gaffe, saying that 47% of the population hooked on government will not vote for  candidate who prefers to help get people onto payrolls and off of welfare rolls is  a “gaffe’, saying that Palestinian/Islamic culture is inferior to Israeli/Jewish culture is another “gaffe”. The problem is that all these so called “gaffes” are inconvenient truths.

by Daniel Greenfield

Gaffe, a word that temporarily came to be associated with political misstatements, has returned to its origins as a social faux pas, such as saying something at a dinner party that everyone knows to be true, but that know mustn’t be said out loud.

The media is still doing its best to pretend that a gaffe is a mistake, when they are actually using it to mean the telling of inconvenient truths. Obama’s reign of error is a constellation of inconvenient truths, economic, security and legal, that cannot be discussed in public. The telling of these inconvenient truths has been met with cries of racism, no matter how little they have to do with race. Now they are being met with cries of “Gaffe, Gaffe”, when Romney brings them up.

Did Obama skip presidential intelligence briefings on the most serious national security threats for a week before September 11? Did the Benghazi consulate lack basic security in a city where Islamist militias were running rampant and attacks on foreign diplomats had already taken place? Was the entire situation a result of an illegal war fought by Obama under false pretenses that armed Islamist militias and set them loose to persecute Libyan Sufis and seize half of Mali? Did Obama sleep through the beginning of the largest wave of attacks on America during his term while partying in Vegas?

Such inconvenient truths can only be met by accusing their teller of committing the horrible gaffe of politicizing the formerly apolitical and bipartisan arena of unilateral wars and the violence arising from them– an area that the Democrats decided was off-limits ever since they stopped criticizing such wars and began fighting them four years ago.

[......]

In a state of national and international disaster, the worst possible gaffe is telling the truth about the state of affairs we are in. These gaffes disturb the party-goers signing up to work for non-profits and watching cheerful reports about the Arab Spring and the economic recovery while the ship sinks around them. And the party men and women react to it with the outraged demeanor of spoiled children.

A gaffe occurs when Mitt Romney talks about a real problem. It’s the real part, more than anything else, that is the problem. Reality has no place in the hysterical media feed from an imaginary world as unreal as anything that Communist apparatchiks or Nazi propagandists were broadcasting to their people in the dying days of their regimes.

Consume enough media and you come to understand that the people manufacturing it are not only hacks, they’re clueless hacks, who like their master in the White House, have absolutely no idea how to solve any of the country’s problems and no interest whatsoever in even bothering to try. They are mechanical men marching to an ideological beat and have no more interest in reality than do the denizens of a mental ward.

[.........]

The left has long ago passed the point where they can be parodied. Any lunatic thing that you can imagine, they have already done or are planning to do. And compared to them the Soviet Union looks like a picture of credible management since its commissars reined in much of the insanity early on and at least made the occasional effort at applying their ideology to actual problems.

Our version of the Soviet Union is a ceaseless application of ideology whose only purpose is its application. There is no purpose to any of the three pieces of insanity listed above except the grad school exercise of a senseless ideological program chasing its own tail. Unlike the Soviet Union, there is no goal beyond the application of increasingly stifling programs of ideological conformity. There is no purpose except for the smug left to get even smugger at the expense of everyone else.

Men and women who are this ruined as policymakers, journalists and human beings are in no shape for an encounter with reality. When you’re crusading to ban plastic bags and include Islamist killers in the progressive camp, when your goal is to fight a truly progressive war on drugs and defend the rights of prisoners to unwillingly contract HIV from their servers, then reality is a foreign enemy to be fought tooth and nail.

[........]

Mentioning any of this is another gaffe, another cold blast of reality blowing through rooms heated to Hawaiian standard temperatures. And the people in those rooms are as threatened by reality gaffes as schizophrenics are by the gnawing sense that the world outside is a very different place than the one in their skulls. And they react to it in the same way, with fear, hate and barely restrained violence.

It’s not just Muslims who react with hysterical violence when the power of their delusion is undermined by an outside world that cares nothing for the status of a 7th Century pedophile warlord, not any different than his ilk cluttering up Afghanistan today. The left’s response to anything that lowers the status of their prophet, stops just short of torching fried chicken places, especially if those places are also against gay marriage.

The streams of reporters gritting their teeth at the sight of Romney, a man whom like McCain they would have had no objection to if not for his temerity in insulting the Prophet Ibn Hussein, don’t quite explode into violence. Instead they angrily denounce the faux pas all of that talk about real world economics and foreign policy is. Gaffes are what they call that kind of talk. And no one at a party likes a gaffe.

During the Bush years, the media complained that the party circuit had died. It’s come roaring back in the age of Obama and no one is willing to give it up. The media is an extension of the party, not just the cocktail parties, but the party behind the party, the one that believes in revolution for the sake of revolution, and that turned a grunt community organizer into a senator and then the man on top.

[.......]

The gaffe is that the emperor is naked. The gaffe is that the smartest man in America, the technocrat in chief, stumbles onto the Letterman set, which looks almost as fake as he does, and can’t even name the size of the national debt. And who cares anyway except that it’s big and getting bigger. No one is supposed to even bring that up, harsh the mellow and bring the party down. That’s another gaffe right there.

The gaffe is that the same people who are running the country into the ground are also showing up every night on the news and every day on the sites to lie through their teeth about it. The difference between liberal media and liberal politicians has become a technical formality that mostly has to do with who signs their checks. The gaffe is that no one is allowed to remind the sweating throngs of the government-media complex m that while they party, the arrow has moved closer to midnight.

In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. But that’s a myth. In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is a walking hate crime. In the kingdom of the blind, sight is a crime and mentioning what you see is a gaffe. In a kingdom where the king doesn’t know how much he owes and doesn’t want to know, mentioning the amount is a gaffe. Showing the king and his advisers up as fools and knaves is an even bigger gaffe. And when the king decides to parade around in his invisible clothes– mentioning that he’s naked is the biggest gaffe of them all.

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175 Responses to “Inconvenient truths are the ultimate gaffes”
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  1. John Difool
    1 | September 21, 2012 8:35 am

    So Brown smacks Ass-E-Hola upside her headress with her false native american claims & then Warren counters by flinging out the war on women, war on contraception crap, blah blah blah blah…..

    Can’t believe Dems still think this is the defining issue that’s gonna put them over the top, but then again I guess it’s all they got other than false charges of racism.

    She should just retire to her teepee on the plains & let Sandra Fluke run in her place.


  2. theoutsider
    2 | September 21, 2012 8:48 am

    @ John Difool:
    She won that debate, and she’s going to win that seat. Just like Tim Kaine is going to win in your home state.


  3. rain of lead
    3 | September 21, 2012 8:49 am

    maybe it’s just me but I think the dims are in for a rather large shock come election day


  4. rain of lead
    4 | September 21, 2012 8:50 am

    @ theoutsider:

    bwahahahahaha
    denial ain’t just a river in Egypt


  5. Speranza
    5 | September 21, 2012 8:51 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    maybe it’s just me but I think the dims are in for a rather large shock come election day

    For the good of the nation I sure hope so, otherwise we (America) will deserve all that they have in store for us.


  6. rain of lead
    6 | September 21, 2012 8:53 am

    @ theoutsider:
    @ theoutsider:

    oh yeah Tim “tax the poor!” Kaine
    we’ll see how well that works out


  7. John Difool
    7 | September 21, 2012 8:53 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    She won that debate, and she’s going to win that seat. Just like Tim Kaine is going to win in your home state.

    Teh stupid is strong with this one.


  8. Speranza
    8 | September 21, 2012 8:54 am

    Granny Warren, aka Fauxcahontas is one of the more repulsive liars in public life.


  9. theoutsider
    9 | September 21, 2012 8:56 am

    @ Speranza:
    You are are a pretty smart guy. I like talking to you, even when you call me names. What is your HONEST opinion of the 47% comment?


  10. rain of lead
    10 | September 21, 2012 8:57 am

    @ John Difool:

    it’s a pitful little troll
    it’s got nuthin, no challenge


  11. John Difool
    11 | September 21, 2012 8:58 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Granny Warren, aka Fauxcahontas is one of the more repulsive liars in public life.

    Brown up +6 in Mass today, down -4 two days ago. Thats a +10 point recovery.

    Guess we know who really won that debate, LOL.


  12. Speranza
    12 | September 21, 2012 9:03 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    You are are a pretty smart guy. I like talking to you, even when you call me names. What is your HONEST opinion of the 47% comment?

    Thank you.
    My honest opinion is that it (Mitt’s statement) was correct. 47% of the people are dependent on the government (that is why 1980 is not relevant to 2012 -- the nation has changed and not for the better), some cannot help it but others seem to make it a generational thing. Few of them will vote Republican for president. When you are hooked on government you are going to vote for the party of big government rather then the party that wants you off the welfare rolls and on to payrolls. When Bill Clinton said “the era of big government is over” sadly he was mistaken. Don’t get me wrong I support a social safety net but I want people working not on food stamps. When I lived in Brooklyn I used to see all these Russian immigrants driving nice cars to the supermarket and then pulling out food stamps to pay for things. They also were getting (believe it or not) free cable TV. Despite the fact that I did not even have a full time job (1994), (I was downsized from my previous job) I was doing office temp work (working a lot of grave yard shifts i.e. midnight to 8 AM at law firms) and I still did not want to switch places with them. I am afraid the old American work ethic is going the way of leisure suits.


  13. 13 | September 21, 2012 9:11 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ John Difool:

    it’s a pitful little troll
    it’s got nuthin, no challenge

    ADMINS: I wonder if an IP address search for the troll turns out to hail from Culver City, CA?


  14. John Difool
    14 | September 21, 2012 9:14 am

    Macker wrote:

    rain of lead wrote:
    @ John Difool:
    it’s a pitful little troll
    it’s got nuthin, no challenge

    ADMINS: I wonder if an IP address search for the troll turns out to hail from Culver City, CA?

    Wouldn’t surprise me a bit since it seems he’s at least a graduate of the school of Charles Johnson Political Predictions.


  15. theoutsider
    15 | September 21, 2012 9:16 am

    So all the Senior Citizens that have paid into Social Security their whole life, The middle class and working poor that get the mortgage tax credit, the child tax credit, and the earned income tax credit, are parasites? You agree with Romney on that? That is 80% of the 47%. Are you attacking them? If you are going run on that. Have at it Hoss.


  16. John Difool
    16 | September 21, 2012 9:19 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    So all the Senior Citizens that have paid into Social Security their whole life, The middle class and working poor that get the mortgage tax credit, the child tax credit, and the earned income tax credit, are parasites? You agree with Romney on that? That is 80% of the 47%. Are you attacking them? If you are going run on that. Have at it Hoss.

    That’s not who Romney was talking about & you damn well know it. Quit being intellectually dishonest & obtuse.

    Better yet, go be stupid somewhere else.


  17. coldwarrior
    17 | September 21, 2012 9:20 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    So all the Senior Citizens that have paid into Social Security their whole life, The middle class and working poor that get the mortgage tax credit, the child tax credit, and the earned income tax credit, are parasites? You agree with Romney on that? That is 80% of the 47%. Are you attacking them? If you are going run on that. Have at it Hoss.

    nice try.

    he was talking about the 47% who dont pay taxes.


  18. coldwarrior
    18 | September 21, 2012 9:22 am

    John Difool wrote:

    That’s not who Romney was talking about & you damn well know it. Quit being intellectually dishonest & obtuse.

    i’m still waiting for a definition of ‘success’ from *someone* around here vis a vis the sanctions against iran….i guess i will still have to wait


  19. rain of lead
    19 | September 21, 2012 9:23 am

    @ theoutsider:

    er… not quite

    Media Bias and the 47 Percent

    The narrative of the Romney campaign as portrayed by most major media last week has been one of a tone-deaf, elitist candidate. In a presidential race as tight as this one — the Gallup daily tracking poll Thursday showed the candidates tied at 47 percent — the media potentially can tip the balance for or against a candidate in a decisive way

    But the most controversial parts of his comments had to do with who makes up the 47 percent who are unconditionally in Obama’s camp. It’s important to note the context in which the statements were made. Romney was answering a direct question, which asked: “For the last three years, all everybody’s been told is, ‘Don’t worry, we’ll take care of you.’ How are you going to do it, in two months before the elections, to convince everybody you’ve got to take care of yourself?”

    His reply listed among the 47 percent who won’t vote for him those “who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what.”

    But Romney’s larger point was that it’s harder for candidates who want to talk about personal responsibility and smaller government to make headway when an increasing share of the population become recipients of government largesse. And it’s harder still when the media distort what the candidates actually say and the context in which they say it. Romney summed up his answer by saying, “what I have to do is convince the 5 to 10 percent in the center … ” He wasn’t writing off half the country but outlining a strategy to win the election.


  20. rain of lead
    20 | September 21, 2012 9:25 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    hey CW
    how’s life, the wife and young’uns?


  21. theoutsider
    21 | September 21, 2012 9:26 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    The 47% that don’t pay taxes NOW. Seniors are in that category.


  22. coldwarrior
    22 | September 21, 2012 9:26 am

    @ theoutsider:

    it comes down to this.

    47% dont have skin in the game. they arent paying the bill but they are using the hell out of services provided by the 53% who do pay the bill.

    if you dont see a problem here, then i cant help you.

    if we are going to tax people then EVERYONE should be on the hook even if just for a little bit. if we can get this economy rolling ang get the real unemployment rate down from the 20% it is now, then we wont have a revenue problem…we will still have a spending problem tho, a fixeable on but still a problem


  23. coldwarrior
    23 | September 21, 2012 9:29 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    The 47% that don’t pay taxes NOW. Seniors are in that category.

    you have redefined your initial argument down from many to just one group.

    i suggest you get you info straight before sounding off.

    yes, many seniors are part of this as well. and many are not. those who had the wise foresight and the will top invest for their own retirement pay taxes. my parents pay, you know why? my machinist dad was smart enough to salt a little bit away in investments over 40 years; there are many out there like him.

    the reality is half are taking and half are paying. no matter how you slice it it cant keep going on like this. reality sucks, n’est pas?


  24. John Difool
    24 | September 21, 2012 9:30 am

    The Dems know they can’t win with the REAL 47% alone & are left to manufacturing outrage & attempting to draw veterans & retirees into the mix, you know, people with brains & I.Q.’s.

    It may have dinged Romney up somewhat at first but upon further review people have seen past the media spin & are now seeing what the context is for themselves.It didn’t effect the independents whatsoever since most of them are still decidedly in the Romney camp.

    It’s not working. Romney is back up dead even with Dear Leader & by next week he’ll most likely be +1 or +2. Maybe more than that after further failures by He & his State Department after todays turmoil & unrest in the ME.

    After that it’s up to Romney to hand Zero his ass in the debates while trying to dodge the traps the lefty mods will be setting for him.


  25. theoutsider
    25 | September 21, 2012 9:31 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    They are paying payroll taxes, state taxes, local taxes, sales taxes. They have skin in the game. Those taxes are more regressive than the federal income taxes.


  26. coldwarrior
    26 | September 21, 2012 9:31 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    hey CW
    how’s life, the wife and young’uns?

    we are firmly in the middle class and paying taxes for the 47% who are essentially free riders.

    got a good gig, work 3 12′s off for 4 days…pick up a 12 of OT here and there. not to bad.


  27. coldwarrior
    27 | September 21, 2012 9:32 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    They are paying payroll taxes, state taxes, local taxes, sales taxes. They have skin in the game. Those taxes are more regressive than the federal income taxes.

    they have no skin in the real game. the fredgov game…keep redefining your argument.

    again, mitt was talking about federal taxes…state and local taxes are moot in this discussion


  28. rain of lead
    28 | September 21, 2012 9:32 am

    OMG
    this will just destroy Romney
    Median income in Ohio hits 27-year low

    Ohio households were poorer last year than they’ve been in more than 25 years, and the number of people living in poverty is higher than it’s been in more than 30 years, according to a census report released yesterday

    When adjusted for inflation, the 2010 annual median household income in Ohio of $46,093 was down by $543 from the previous year, and down 15.3 percent from the peak of $54,395 in 2000, according to the census’s Current Population Survey, which was released yesterday.

    The inflation-adjusted figure hasn’t been lower for Ohio since officials began keeping that record in 1984, census officials said

    …..wait, what?……


  29. John Difool
    29 | September 21, 2012 9:33 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    The 47% that don’t pay taxes NOW. Seniors are in that category.

    Seniors who draw SS are still paying taxes when they buy stuff with their money, not to mention almost $4 a gallon gas at the pumps, more in other places. Also if they’re drawing a pension, yep, taxes come out of that too.

    You’re argument is going down in flames, better grab a chute.


  30. rain of lead
    30 | September 21, 2012 9:36 am

    @ John Difool:

    oh and let’s not forget the Fed’s policy of o% intrest is hammering
    retired seniors who have $ invested and were expecting to live on interest income.

    Why does Obama hate old people?
    /


  31. coldwarrior
    31 | September 21, 2012 9:37 am

    @ rain of lead:

    we have been in recession/depression since 2000 if you look at the real numbers, not the fake numbers from the fedgov.

    read it and weep


  32. theoutsider
    32 | September 21, 2012 9:38 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    So, do you want to tax the poor more? Is that what your argument is? Let Romney run on that. Let the Senate and House run on that. Then, tell me how that works for you in November. I can’t being you are arguing for that.


  33. John Difool
    33 | September 21, 2012 9:39 am

    The real 47% are the able-bodied ones under retirement age who don’t pay any taxes all year long, draw a government check & other entitlements & then get a tax return at the end of the year with the same full deductions working tax-payers are allowed.This is just flat out tyranny.

    These are the succubus’ Romney is talking about,the Pauls who will consistently vote to Rob peter of his wallet.


  34. theoutsider
    34 | September 21, 2012 9:40 am

    @ theoutsider:
    typo, being=believe.


  35. John Difool
    35 | September 21, 2012 9:41 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    So, do you want to tax the poor more? Is that what your argument is? Let Romney run on that. Let the Senate and House run on that. Then, tell me how that works for you in November. I can’t being you are arguing for that.

    Tim Kaine wants to tax the poor more, why he just said it in yesterdays gubernatorial debate & now Allen is rapping him over the head with it.

    What was that you were saying about Kaine winning Virginia again?


  36. coldwarrior
    36 | September 21, 2012 9:41 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    oh and let’s not forget the Fed’s policy of o% intrest is hammering
    retired seniors who have $ invested and were expecting to live on interest income.
    Why does Obama hate old people?
    /

    cheap money is also a regressive tax because of the inflation in commodities and reduction of investment profit it brings.

    obama hate the poor!


  37. coldwarrior
    37 | September 21, 2012 9:44 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    So, do you want to tax the poor more? Is that what your argument is? Let Romney run on that. Let the Senate and House run on that. Then, tell me how that works for you in November. I can’t being you are arguing for that.

    yep.

    tax everyone. even if its just $100 a year. since when is it the american ideal to have free riders? when did we get to the point that it is fine to just roll over and suck on the govt teat? this attitude that has borne a 47% who are free riders is un american, anti-capitalistic, and depressing

    in my world there is a consumption tax and no income tax. but that will never happen.


  38. 38 | September 21, 2012 9:47 am

    The real figure Obama should be concerned about is the 8% unemployment rate. That isn’t going to go drastically down in the next eight weeks. It’s the economy, stupid. Romney needs to go on the offensive and stay on the offensive. Re-electing Obama means more of the same.


  39. coldwarrior
    39 | September 21, 2012 9:48 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    The real figure Obama should be concerned about is the 8% unemployment rate. That isn’t going to go drastically down in the next eight weeks. It’s the economy, stupid. Romney needs to go on the offensive and stay on the offensive. Re-electing Obama means more of the same.

    20%…

    you are using baked fed gov numbers


  40. theoutsider
    40 | September 21, 2012 9:51 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    What about the 5000 millionaires that don’t pay Federal Income Tax? What is your solution for them? Do you want to tax them at the same rate as you’d tax a family of four making 20,000 a year? Do you think $100 a year is a fair rate for millionaires?


  41. John Difool
    41 | September 21, 2012 9:53 am

    So again outsider, how does Kaine plan on getting any votes now since he says he wants to raise taxes on everybody, from the top down to the bottom?

    Keep in mind Kaine is a guy who put Va. -4 billion in the red & now McDonnell for two straight years has run several 100 million dollar surpluses & cut taxes.

    At the same time Kaine is also the one who was in charge of the DNC when the Dems epically lost in 2010, seeing his home go to R’s in 7 out of 9 House Seats.

    Every thing kaine touches goes from sugar to shit, real quick. he’s got that reverse-Midas touch just like his buddy Barry.

    Even Warner is backing away from the Dems & it wouldn’t surprise me if he ran as an (I) or flat out switched parties before his term expires ( Yes I’m making that prediction)

    So tell me Mr. outsider, how is Kaine going to win Va. again when he’s just come out & said he’s going to screw everybody, rich/poor, Democrat & Republican alike?

    That shit might fly in Clownifornia or the Northeast but trust me, that dog ain’t gonna hunt here, hoss.


  42. John Difool
    42 | September 21, 2012 9:59 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    What about the 5000 millionaires that don’t pay Federal Income Tax? What is your solution for them? Do you want to tax them at the same rate as you’d tax a family of four making 20,000 a year? Do you think $100 a year is a fair rate for millionaires?

    How many of those 5000 millionaires are donating to Barry’s campaign like Jay-Z & Beyonce & George Clooney. What about Warren Buffet who sucked up to Barrylicious & says everyone should pay their fair share & pay more taxes & then we all find out he hasn’t paid a dime of his own?

    What about GE, Barry’s largest contributor & former owner of MSNBC that has consistently run +4 billion dollar profits for several years running & haven’t paid a single dime in corporate taxes?

    Why is it you & your ilk don’t have a problem with these guys?


  43. Speranza
    43 | September 21, 2012 9:59 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    So all the Senior Citizens that have paid into Social Security their whole life, The middle class and working poor that get the mortgage tax credit, the child tax credit, and the earned income tax credit, are parasites? You agree with Romney on that? That is 80% of the 47%. Are you attacking them? If you are going run on that. Have at it Hoss.

    Nobody claimed that senior citizens who collect social security are parasites. Paul Ryan’s mom is on social security.


  44. coldwarrior
    44 | September 21, 2012 10:00 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    What about the 5000 millionaires that don’t pay Federal Income Tax? What is your solution for them? Do you want to tax them at the same rate as you’d tax a family of four making 20,000 a year? Do you think $100 a year is a fair rate for millionaires?

    proof please that they pay no taxes to the fed gov.

    i dont play the class warfare communist/leninist game. you have fun with that.

    look at the words you put in my mouth here. seriously, you are failing in this argument. no where did i say tax them 100 a year, nor did i discuss their rate. nice try at the red herring / straw man at the end there:

    “Do you think $100 a year is a fair rate for millionaires?”

    please learn to debate and get your facts right before commenting.

    so, thusfar you have moved the goalposts, used at least one straw man, and have fouled out on putting words in my mouth.

    everyone should pay fed gov tax. if we are going to have it, then everyone should pay. free-riders and generational / long term govt assistance is anathema to the American way of life.


  45. 45 | September 21, 2012 10:00 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yeah, I know that real unemployment is at 20% but people are used to hearing the 8% number. And that is appalling enough. Romney should win this election, just bases on the unemployment numbers.


  46. Speranza
    46 | September 21, 2012 10:01 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    The 47% that don’t pay taxes NOW. Seniors are in that category.

    No they are not. Seniors are retired. and not considered to be part of the work force the 47% consists of people who are of working age who do not work and are on some sort of public assistance.


  47. theoutsider
    47 | September 21, 2012 10:02 am

    @ Speranza:
    Mitt Romney did. Paul Ryan’s mother is in the 47%.


  48. Speranza
    48 | September 21, 2012 10:03 am

    @ theoutsider:
    Millionaires (actually billioniares) such as George Soros and Warren Buffett may now voluntarily pay the government more in taxes. See my thread of yesterday.


  49. coldwarrior
    49 | September 21, 2012 10:04 am

    how did we get to the point where it is ok for half of americans to pay the freight for the other half?

    this isnt what made america great, it is however that attitude that makes europe mediocre.


  50. Speranza
    50 | September 21, 2012 10:05 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Mitt Romney did. Paul Ryan’s mother is in the 47%.

    Mitt Romney did not say that and you know it. You think Paul Ryan wants to gut social security -- his mom is on it. His mom is not counted as part of the 47% as she is a retiree and not of work age. Stop parsing things.

    By the way the choice is between a liberal with sanity and a far left radical. Either way your side wins.


  51. John Difool
    51 | September 21, 2012 10:06 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    how did we get to the point where it is ok for half of americans to pay the freight for the other half?
    this isnt what made america great, it is however that attitude that makes europe mediocre.

    Khruschev didn’t say they would bury us, he said they would BARRY us.


  52. Speranza
    52 | September 21, 2012 10:07 am

    John Difool wrote:

    Khruschev didn’t say they would bury us, he said they would BARRY us.

    Stalin made Khruschev (the butcher of Budapest) seem like a boy scout.


  53. coldwarrior
    53 | September 21, 2012 10:12 am

    John Difool wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    how did we get to the point where it is ok for half of americans to pay the freight for the other half?
    this isnt what made america great, it is however that attitude that makes europe mediocre.

    Khruschev didn’t say they would bury us, he said they would BARRY us.

    this isnt all obama’s fault. there is a real problem here in america now where it is now perfectly fine to be on the govt teat, there is an entire culture and industry built on it.

    i remember when it was an embarrassment to take a handout from the govt and this wasnt very long ago. this change in social mores is by far the most dangerous change in the past 20 years


  54. 54 | September 21, 2012 10:12 am

    @ theoutsider:
    Funny, Romney never said anything about taxing the poor. He was talking about the entitlement mentality that has been mentioned above. Where those on the dole want more of the dole. I see even this type of thinking north of the border. I have been so disgusted with welfare bums and cheap trash that I despise seeing those on government bennies. Are there people that need assistance, yes. The trouble is that the f*ckers that don’t are gaming the system so badly that they are draining funds off from the ones that deserve and need it. I remember when people were ashamed to be on government assistance. We need more of that thinking again.


  55. theoutsider
    55 | September 21, 2012 10:13 am

    @ Speranza:
    47% of Americans are not on some sort of public assistance. Most of 47% get some sort of tax credit. The Mortgage tax credit, the child tax credit, the income earned tax credit, all of them passed by Republicans. At least 80% of that group pays taxes. Payroll, state, local, property, or sales.


  56. 56 | September 21, 2012 10:16 am

    @ Speranza:
    That’s the funny thing. Romney is a Liberal Republican. He is what they claim that they’ll vote for. What this tells us is that they’d reflexively fight against any Republican. It’ll be interesting to see what Romney actually does. The economy sucks and Obama’s made it worse. Romney should win.


  57. John Difool
    57 | September 21, 2012 10:17 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    how did we get to the point where it is ok for half of americans to pay the freight for the other half?
    this isnt what made america great, it is however that attitude that makes europe mediocre.
    Khruschev didn’t say they would bury us, he said they would BARRY us.

    this isnt all obama’s fault. there is a real problem here in america now where it is now perfectly fine to be on the govt teat, there is an entire culture and industry built on it.
    i remember when it was an embarrassment to take a handout from the govt and this wasnt very long ago. this change in social mores is by far the most dangerous change in the past 20 years

    It’s not Barry’s fault, but he & his ik are definitely exploiting it & making it exponentially worse.

    If this is allowed to go on much longer, we will soon reach the threshold where the takers well outnumber the makers & the rich & the corporations will start packing up & leaving in droves.The libs think it’s laughable this will happen but that is what is indeed happening in France after Hollande was elected promising a 75%-80% tax rate on the rich & corporations.

    Chavez is on the ropes in Venezuela with that shit too & his class warfare stuff is falling on deaf ears with crime rampant & the economy in shambles.

    In other words,it’s all shits & giggles until you run out of other peoples money.


  58. theoutsider
    58 | September 21, 2012 10:19 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Can you actually tell me anything Romney stands for?


  59. coldwarrior
    59 | September 21, 2012 10:19 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    47% of Americans are not on some sort of public assistance. Most of 47% get some sort of tax credit. The Mortgage tax credit, the child tax credit, the income earned tax credit, all of them passed by Republicans. At least 80% of that group pays taxes. Payroll, state, local, property, or sales.

    the 47% do not pay any taxes. no matter how you get to it that means that 53% are paying for 100%

    this is not sustainable.parse it howenver you want, its still half paying for the whole where there are many many free riders with no reason to keep an eye on fedgov and spending so long as they get their handout (tax credit for doing what the fedgov wants them to do)


  60. John Difool
    60 | September 21, 2012 10:21 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    47% of Americans are not on some sort of public assistance. Most of 47% get some sort of tax credit. The Mortgage tax credit, the child tax credit, the income earned tax credit, all of them passed by Republicans. At least 80% of that group pays taxes. Payroll, state, local, property, or sales.

    The 47% Romney speaks of don’t own homes, don’t work & don’t pay any taxes, put a -200% draw on entitlements while reaping a +200% reward.

    Put the goalposts back on the field please, they’re not supposed to be out in the parking lot.


  61. 61 | September 21, 2012 10:22 am

    @ John Difool:
    It is happening in California right now. People are moving jobs and money out of the state.


  62. 62 | September 21, 2012 10:25 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    That’s the funny thing. Romney is a Liberal Republican. He is what they claim that they’ll vote for. What this tells us is that they’d reflexively fight against any Republican. It’ll be interesting to see what Romney actually does. The economy sucks and Obama’s made it worse. Romney should win.

    Funny how that works?


  63. John Difool
    63 | September 21, 2012 10:26 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    It is happening in California right now. People are moving jobs and money out of the state.

    It’s happening in the Northeast too, people are moving in droves too the South & Southwest to get away from the nanny-tax-you-to-death shitholes.

    The libs aren’t very good with math. They believe if you raise taxes you reap more money but in reality the people just leave & then you wind up with an even smaller tax-base than what you had before & a whole lot less money. The libs however never learn & continue to do it time & time again.

    Whats the definition of insanity again.


  64. coldwarrior
    64 | September 21, 2012 10:26 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Can you actually tell me anything Romney stands for?

    continually making a profit and beating the market’s expectations.

    that is what he believes in. and that is fine by me.


  65. 65 | September 21, 2012 10:27 am

    @ theoutsider:
    That’s easy. Lower taxes and less regulation on businesses. Taxes go up for everyone who pays taxes next year. That is a given if Obama is re-elected. You can pretend all you want, but the Obama administration has been terrible on jobs. The only sector that has grown has been the Federal Government.


  66. 66 | September 21, 2012 10:28 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Can you actually tell me anything Romney stands for?

    Can you explain can heal the planet, make the ocean levels recede, stop droughts, prevent forest fires and cure the sick?


  67. theoutsider
    67 | September 21, 2012 10:29 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    Making a profit for himself, and that is it.


  68. 68 | September 21, 2012 10:29 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Plus leading economic indicators have declined 2 out of the last 3 months. Industrial production is down. But the outsider probably thinks the economy is strong.


  69. 69 | September 21, 2012 10:30 am

    @ theoutsider:

    What’s wrong with making a profit?


  70. John Difool
    70 | September 21, 2012 10:33 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Making a profit for himself, and that is it.

    Well then you just described just about every single multi-millionaire Democrat in office & our president who somehow can afford to buy a 35 million dollar home in Hawaii.


  71. coldwarrior
    71 | September 21, 2012 10:33 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Making a profit for himself, and that is it.

    and for his investors and stockholders who PAY TAXES!!!

    see, i am not a communist. i have no problem with people making a profit and being successful, that means they create jobs and those jobs PAY TAXES!


  72. theoutsider
    72 | September 21, 2012 10:35 am

    @ Rodan:
    Your message is kind of jumbled, but I never bought int that shit.


  73. 73 | September 21, 2012 10:36 am

    @ John Difool:
    @ coldwarrior:

    Khrushchev and Nixon where both right. America has become Communist and Russia Capitalist.


  74. 74 | September 21, 2012 10:37 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Your message is kind of jumbled, but I never bought int that shit.

    That is what he is preaching. Hey what do you think of his debacle in Univision yesterday? Ramos tore him a new one and your beloved god-king was reduced to giving long winded answers. He really looked like an idiot yesterday.


  75. John Difool
    75 | September 21, 2012 10:38 am

    MUSLIM DAY OF LOVE & MORE-HAM-ED APPRECIATION DAY

    “Obama, our patience has its limit. Don’t blame us if your citizens die. Blame yourself. U started it!”


  76. 76 | September 21, 2012 10:38 am

    @ theoutsider:
    For the President that is called growing the economy . Something Obama has singularly failed to do.


  77. theoutsider
    77 | September 21, 2012 10:40 am

    @ Rodan:
    Nothing. I’m for making a profit. The Bain model was not my type of profit. Rodan, 6 months ago you thought the same thing.


  78. theoutsider
    78 | September 21, 2012 10:43 am

    @ Rodan:
    Your god king just said Fuck You to half the country. How is he going to come back from that one?


  79. John Difool
    79 | September 21, 2012 10:44 am

    South Korea Navy Fires On North Korean Fishing Boats

    It’s as if the whole world is giving Barry the middle finger right now.


  80. RIX
    80 | September 21, 2012 10:45 am

    IL Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr has announced that he is
    forced to sell his second home in DC for $2.5M to pay
    medical bills for his treatment for depression an bipolar
    disorder.

    That’s nonsense he has a congressional health plan
    with a cap on out of pocket expenses


  81. John Difool
    81 | September 21, 2012 10:46 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Your god king just said Fuck You to half the country. How is he going to come back from that one?

    You got your answers & much more several times up-thread. Sorry that’s not good enough for you.

    Move along swee-pea,this discussion is getting mold on it.


  82. John Difool
    82 | September 21, 2012 10:49 am

    RIX wrote:

    IL Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr has announced that he is
    forced to sell his second home in DC for $2.5M to pay
    medical bills for his treatment for depression an bipolar
    disorder.
    That’s nonsense he has a congressional health plan
    with a cap on out of pocket expenses

    He’s selling his home because:

    1: He needs that money to pay off the folks who are gonna squeel on him in his corruption scandal

    2: He needs that money for the high priced attorney’s to represent in his corruption scandal

    3: Both

    Plus, how in the hell can he afford a 2.5 million dollar home on a civil-servants salary?


  83. Alberta Oil Peon
    83 | September 21, 2012 10:51 am

    @ theoutsider:
    You look like another satisfied customer of http://www.leftwingtalkingpointsRus.com


  84. theoutsider
    84 | September 21, 2012 10:52 am

    @ Rodan:
    When is the next radio show? I actually might call in, if it is not going to be the same blah blah blah.


  85. Speranza
    85 | September 21, 2012 10:53 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    That’s the funny thing. Romney is a Liberal Republican. He is what they claim that they’ll vote for. What this tells us is that they’d reflexively fight against any Republican.

    Exactly. McCain and Romney etc. are the tpe of Republicans the media always claim that the GOP should be listening to.


  86. Speranza
    86 | September 21, 2012 10:55 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    47% of Americans are not on some sort of public assistance.

    47% of Americans are not on some sort of public assistance. 47% of Americans of working age pay no taxes.


  87. coldwarrior
    87 | September 21, 2012 10:56 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Nothing. I’m for making a profit. The Bain model was not my type of profit. Rodan, 6 months ago you thought the same thing.

    i will admit i was very wrong on that 6 months ago.

    mea culpa, i was wrong.


  88. Speranza
    88 | September 21, 2012 10:56 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Can you actually tell me anything Romney stands for?

    He stands for weird things such as not spending what you don’t have, living within your means, helping those who create jobs do their thing, and standing by our allies. In other words he would be a perfect 1950′s Democrat.


  89. John Difool
    89 | September 21, 2012 10:57 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    When is the next radio show? I actually might call in, if it is not going to be the same blah blah blah.

    I hope you do a better job than when you were on Blogging Heads T.V. with Conn Carrol, Mr. Johnson, Rodan will eat you alive.


  90. Speranza
    90 | September 21, 2012 10:58 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Making a profit for himself, and that is it.

    If he wants to make money for himself he can make a shit load more in private industry as an entrepreneur then in government. See one Pawlenty, Timothy W. or one Clinton, William, J.


  91. huckfunn
    91 | September 21, 2012 10:59 am

    I’m sick to death of the constant “fairness” trope being pushed by the dims and MSM. “Fairness” is just a marxist term for wealth redistribution. “It’s not fair that you have more than me because (1) you only have more because you acquired it due to unfair advantage and (2) it just ain’t fair, damnit”. To make it “fair” the government must take some of what you have and give it to me. As Romney said, “this does not comport with the American experience”.


  92. Alberta Oil Peon
    92 | September 21, 2012 10:59 am

    @ John Difool:
    The headline is misleading. I would take “firing on” to mean “attempt to sink”, but the South Koreans were merely firing warning shots, and the Norks scurried away.


  93. John Difool
    93 | September 21, 2012 11:00 am

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    The headline is misleading. I would take “firing on” to mean “attempt to sink”, but the South Koreans were merely firing warning shots, and the Norks scurried away.

    True, but as we’ve seen before, doesn’t take much to initiate a Nork reaction, provoked or not.


  94. RIX
    94 | September 21, 2012 11:02 am

    @ John Difool:

    He’s selling his home because:

    1: He needs that money to pay off the folks who are gonna squeel on him in his corruption scandal

    2: He needs that money for the high priced attorney’s to represent in his corruption scandal

    3: Both

    Plus, how in the hell can he afford a 2.5 million dollar home on a civil-servants salary?

    My guess is both. Also his wife Sandy is a Chicago alderman,
    but lives in DC with their children enrolled in school there.
    Their principal residence in Chicago is a $3M mansion.
    Since the Jackson family business is extortion, he probably
    got the money that way & influence pedaling.


  95. Alberta Oil Peon
    95 | September 21, 2012 11:02 am

    @ RIX:
    Well, there’s his problem right there. He’s dealing with a doctor that doesn’t recognize the true nature of his problem. He isn’t bipolar; he’s monopolar, due to the fact that his head’s up his ass.


  96. John Difool
    96 | September 21, 2012 11:03 am

    Hey, Mr. Outsider, 47% aside, how does Barry & Co. plan on winning on this platform with 15-20% unemployment?

    100 DAYS TO GO UNTIL LARGEST TAX HIKES IN HISTORY


  97. Speranza
    97 | September 21, 2012 11:03 am

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ RIX:
    Well, there’s his problem right there. He’s dealing with a doctor that doesn’t recognize the true nature of his problem. He isn’t bipolar; he’s monopolar, due to the fact that his head’s up his ass.

    Can he speak in rhyme like his Daddy?


  98. Speranza
    98 | September 21, 2012 11:04 am

    @theoutsider
    What did you think of Obama’s description of middle America being made up of people who cling to their guns and Bibles?


  99. Speranza
    99 | September 21, 2012 11:05 am

    John Difool wrote:

    Hey, Mr. Outsider, 47% aside, how does Barry & Co. plan on winning on this platform with 15-20% unemployment?
    100 DAYS TO GO UNTIL LARGEST TAX HIKES IN HISTORY

    Give him an unfettered four years and our next stop will be Greece.


  100. 100 | September 21, 2012 11:05 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Your god king just said Fuck You to half the country. How is he going to come back from that one?

    Obama said Fuck you to half the country as well. That’s politics.

    Romney is not my god-king. he didn’t promise to stop the oceans levels from rising, prevent forest fires, stop droughts and heal the sick.


  101. Speranza
    101 | September 21, 2012 11:06 am

    RIX wrote:

    Since the Jackson family business is extortion, he probably
    got the money that way & influence pedaling.

    I would love to see Jesse Jackson’s and Al Sharpton’s tax returns.


  102. 102 | September 21, 2012 11:06 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Fairness = Marxism/Socialism. Plain and Simple!


  103. Alberta Oil Peon
    103 | September 21, 2012 11:07 am

    @ Speranza:
    Seems like Outsider has suddenly become scarce. They must gave had a cancellation at the nail salon.


  104. 104 | September 21, 2012 11:07 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    When is the next radio show? I actually might call in, if it is not going to be the same blah blah blah.

    Probably next Wednesday.


  105. John Difool
    105 | September 21, 2012 11:07 am

    RIX wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    He’s selling his home because:
    1: He needs that money to pay off the folks who are gonna squeel on him in his corruption scandal
    2: He needs that money for the high priced attorney’s to represent in his corruption scandal
    3: Both
    Plus, how in the hell can he afford a 2.5 million dollar home on a civil-servants salary?
    My guess is both. Also his wife Sandy is a Chicago alderman,
    but lives in DC with their children enrolled in school there.
    Their principal residence in Chicago is a $3M mansion.
    Since the Jackson family business is extortion, he probably
    got the money that way & influence pedaling.

    If he was smart instead of hiding in a mental institution for the last several months he would have just got convicted & sentenced like a big-boy & then Barry would have pardoned him

    I think he’s read the tea-leaves & sees Romney getting elected & knows he’s going to do a full stint now & has decided to sock away some cash while he’s in.


  106. 106 | September 21, 2012 11:07 am

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Seems like Outsider has suddenly become scarce. They must gave had a cancellation at the nail salon.

    Maybe Axelrod has ordered a break!


  107. coldwarrior
    107 | September 21, 2012 11:08 am

    Speranza wrote:

    @theoutsider
    What did you think of Obama’s description of middle America being made up of people who cling to their guns and Bibles?

    ahhh yes..the bitter clingers in Pennsyltucky.


  108. 108 | September 21, 2012 11:08 am

    @ huckfunn:

    Life isn’t fair. People need to expect this.


  109. Speranza
    109 | September 21, 2012 11:08 am

    @ Rodan:
    He (theoutsider) is not a very good debater and I do not mean that to be snarky to him because I am starting to actually get used to him. Gordon, Fulton Chain and Chen Zhen were better. I actually agreed with Fulton Chain on a lot of things.


  110. John Difool
    110 | September 21, 2012 11:10 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    Seems like Outsider has suddenly become scarce. They must gave had a cancellation at the nail salon.

    Maybe Axelrod has ordered a break!

    Either that or his master Chuckles Johansen & his badass correlator was onto him posting at a forbidden site & he just pulled the power plug to his p.c. out of the wall.


  111. Speranza
    111 | September 21, 2012 11:10 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    @theoutsider
    What did you think of Obama’s description of middle America being made up of people who cling to their guns and Bibles?

    ahhh yes..the bitter clingers in Pennsyltucky.

    That’s telling almost 1/3rd of the country to F*** Off!


  112. Speranza
    112 | September 21, 2012 11:11 am

    John Difool wrote:

    Either that or his master Chuckles Johansen & his badass correlator was onto him posting at a forbidden site & he just pulled the power plug to his p.c. out of the wall.

    The Stalin of the moonbat blogosophere Charles Fosterovich Johnson is a bit paranoid.


  113. Speranza
    113 | September 21, 2012 11:12 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Life isn’t fair. People need to expect this.

    No shit!


  114. Speranza
    114 | September 21, 2012 11:13 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    When is the next radio show? I actually might call in, if it is not going to be the same blah blah blah.

    Do you want to DJ the show?


  115. coldwarrior
    115 | September 21, 2012 11:14 am

    Speranza wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    @theoutsider
    What did you think of Obama’s description of middle America being made up of people who cling to their guns and Bibles?
    ahhh yes..the bitter clingers in Pennsyltucky.

    That’s telling almost 1/3rd of the country to F*** Off!

    whats funny is the jewish guys in squirrel hill (PGH)…they are armed and cling to their torah’s.


  116. John Difool
    116 | September 21, 2012 11:15 am

    Speranza wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Either that or his master Chuckles Johansen & his badass correlator was onto him posting at a forbidden site & he just pulled the power plug to his p.c. out of the wall.
    The Stalin of the moonbat blogosophere Charles Fosterovich Johnson is a bit paranoid.

    I recognize this persons posting style from either over at the swamp, DoD or both. Which is to say, not very bright or very good at constructive debate.

    Any speculations on who this may be?


  117. huckfunn
    117 | September 21, 2012 11:15 am

    Haw!


  118. theoutsider
    118 | September 21, 2012 11:16 am

    @ Speranza:
    @ Speranza:
    I guess I’m not a good debater, because every time we go at it, I beat you every time.


  119. theoutsider
    119 | September 21, 2012 11:18 am

    @ Speranza:
    I’m just gonna call in, OK.


  120. huckfunn
    120 | September 21, 2012 11:18 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    @ Speranza:
    I guess I’m not a good debater, because every time we go at it, I beat you every time.

    Guffaw… ***snort***


  121. RIX
    121 | September 21, 2012 11:20 am

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:
    Jesse Jackson SR actually built a career on extortion.
    As a yoot I saw him shut down a construction site until
    he got his envelope.
    Then he moved on to bigger fish like Anhauser Bush.
    Jr is just in the family business.


  122. John Difool
    122 | September 21, 2012 11:22 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    @ Speranza:
    I guess I’m not a good debater, because every time we go at it, I beat you every time.

    Yep, you certainly do always win, just like the Black Knight !:


  123. huckfunn
    123 | September 21, 2012 11:25 am

    THIS JUST IN: McDonald’s Calls Police On Man Dressed Up As The Burger King

    Police stated that, upon his arrival, the Burger King mascot reportedly began to hand out free hamburgers to customers, and stopped to take pictures with several children.

    Officers were additionally told that one child ran away from the man in fear,


  124. coldwarrior
    124 | September 21, 2012 11:28 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    @ Speranza:
    I guess I’m not a good debater, because every time we go at it, I beat you every time.

    your arguments do have validity, however, you fail in technique and rules.

    moving goal posts, changing subjects, half truths, and most of all the classic fail…a straw man, means that your points will never get across.

    a basic read in rhetoric and argument will fix these failings.


  125. Speranza
    125 | September 21, 2012 11:28 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    @ Speranza:
    I guess I’m not a good debater, because every time we go at it, I beat you every time.

    In your dreams. You state nothing but falsehoods and half truths.


  126. coldwarrior
    126 | September 21, 2012 11:28 am

    see yinz later…gonna go get some quality time on this.


  127. Speranza
    127 | September 21, 2012 11:28 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I’m just gonna call in, OK.

    We need someone to DJ. My request is for some British invasion rock and roll.


  128. John Difool
    128 | September 21, 2012 11:31 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    THIS JUST IN: McDonald’s Calls Police On Man Dressed Up As The Burger King
    Police stated that, upon his arrival, the Burger King mascot reportedly began to hand out free hamburgers to customers, and stopped to take pictures with several children.
    Officers were additionally told that one child ran away from the man in fear,

    And now the fast food companies are going to war with each other.

    This will escalate until McDonalds is forced to retaliate with a full scale Big-Mac Attack after Burger King launches a massive Whopper wave of Intercontinental Hamburger Missiles.

    Billions Will Die Covered In All Beef Patty Special-Sauce Lettuce Cheese, Pickles Onions On A Sesame Seed Bun !

    Like I said above, it’s as if the whole world is giving Barry the middle finger right now.


  129. Daffy Duck
    129 | September 21, 2012 11:34 am

    This is a great article, thanks for posting it, Speranza:

    The Knish says:

    Our version of the Soviet Union is a ceaseless application of ideology whose only purpose is its application. There is no purpose to any of the three pieces of insanity listed above except the grad school exercise of a senseless ideological program chasing its own tail. Unlike the Soviet Union, there is no goal beyond the application of increasingly stifling programs of ideological conformity. There is no purpose except for the smug left to get even smugger at the expense of everyone else.

    Reminds me of Orwell’s 1984:

    Quote #14
    “The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were- cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?” (3.3.14, O’Brien)

    http://www.shmoop.com/1984/power-quotes-5.html


  130. huckfunn
    130 | September 21, 2012 11:34 am

    @ John Difool:
    I’m guessing the Burger King will proclaim a death fatwah on Happy Meals and consumers thereof.


  131. John Difool
    131 | September 21, 2012 11:36 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    I’m guessing the Burger King will proclaim a death fatwah on Happy Meals and consumers thereof.

    Grimace just posted a video to YouTube maligning the Burger King prophet.

    Shit.Just.Got.Real


  132. buzzsawmonkey
    132 | September 21, 2012 11:37 am

    In carnie parlance, a “gaff” is the manner of rigging a carnival game so that the mark (the rube, the sucker) cannot win. Most carnie games are gaffed; the milk bottles you need to knock over are weighted, the coconuts at the coconut shy are glued to their posts, the rings at the ring-toss are too small to fit over the desirable prizes.

    To “blow the gaff” means to reveal, inconveniently, the way the game is fixed.

    Romney has made no “gaffes”—that is, he has not erred. He has, however, “blown the gaff” on several occasions, by revealing, candidly, the way the game has been rigged by the Carneys carnies, and their bosses.


  133. John Difool
    133 | September 21, 2012 11:41 am

    House clears Taxine Waters of any wrongdoing in banking scandal. Too bad, I was hoping Mr. Waters would be sharing a cell with Jesse Jackass Jr. & Eric Holder next year.


  134. Guggi
    134 | September 21, 2012 11:43 am

    47,000,000 (Millions) US-Americans are on foodstamps. Now do they math.


  135. John Difool
    135 | September 21, 2012 11:46 am

    Upon further review of the Waters article above, looks like she & her husband are going to let their grandson take the fall.

    Now that’s what I call integrity !


  136. huckfunn
    136 | September 21, 2012 11:50 am

    John Difool wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    I’m guessing the Burger King will proclaim a death fatwah on Happy Meals and consumers thereof.

    Grimace just posted a video to YouTube maligning the Burger King prophet.

    Shit.Just.Got.Real

    It’s on.


  137. 137 | September 21, 2012 11:55 am

    @ John Difool:
    Democrat Family Values®


  138. 138 | September 21, 2012 12:00 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    LOL, yeah that one cracked me up too! I needa link to that!


  139. John Difool
    139 | September 21, 2012 12:00 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Exactly how do you post pics?


  140. 140 | September 21, 2012 12:03 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Become a contributor ~:)

    You’re welcome to!


  141. John Difool
    141 | September 21, 2012 12:09 pm

    Kafir wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Become a contributor ~:)
    You’re welcome to!

    I’ll get with you on that later.I love to post in the comments section but I’m kinda shy when it comes to the podium. :)


  142. huckfunn
    142 | September 21, 2012 12:11 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Exactly how do you post pics?

    What Kafir said.


  143. huckfunn
    143 | September 21, 2012 12:12 pm

    Kafir wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    LOL, yeah that one cracked me up too! I needa link to that!

    To find a picture of anything just google it and then select “images”. I googled “naked Burger King” and a bunch of stuff popped up.


  144. Bumr50
    144 | September 21, 2012 12:15 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    I googled “naked Burger King” and a bunch of stuff popped up.

    Oh, I bet!


  145. lobo91
    145 | September 21, 2012 12:15 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    47,000,000 (Millions) US-Americans are on foodstamps. Now do they math.

    And they’re spending taxpayers’ money to advertise in order to get that number even higher.


  146. John Difool
    146 | September 21, 2012 12:16 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Guggi wrote:

    47,000,000 (Millions) US-Americans are on foodstamps. Now do they math.

    And they’re spending taxpayers’ money to advertise in order to get that number even higher.

    And everyone thought ACORN was dead.


  147. huckfunn
    147 | September 21, 2012 12:17 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    I googled “naked Burger King” and a bunch of stuff popped up.

    Oh, I bet!

    I googled “naked Huckfunn” and was most disappointed. :sad:


  148. lobo91
    148 | September 21, 2012 12:17 pm

    @ John Difool:

    And everyone thought ACORN was dead.

    Not everyone.

    ACORN didn’t go anywhere. It just changed names. Sort of like an LGF sockpuppet.


  149. RIX
    149 | September 21, 2012 12:21 pm

    Obama is now comparing the violence following the Arab Spring
    to the fall of the Berlin Wall.
    This is so silly, what can one say?


  150. buzzsawmonkey
    150 | September 21, 2012 12:23 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Obama is now comparing the violence following the Arab Spring
    to the fall of the Berlin Wall.
    This is so silly, what can one say?

    One can say that his followers will believe it.


  151. John Difool
    151 | September 21, 2012 12:24 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Obama is now comparing the violence following the Arab Spring
    to the fall of the Berlin Wall.
    This is so silly, what can one say?

    I don’t recall the East Germans spilling through the wall & burning down western Berlin & attacking their West German counterparts.


  152. coldwarrior
    152 | September 21, 2012 12:25 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Obama is now comparing the violence following the Arab Spring
    to the fall of the Berlin Wall.
    This is so silly, what can one say?

    I don’t recall the East Germans spilling through the wall & burning down western Berlin & attacking their West German counterparts.

    you are correct!

    this isnt the berlin coming down and freedom breaking out all over, this is the muzslime wall going up and oppression and evil taking over.


  153. John Difool
    153 | September 21, 2012 12:27 pm

    I think a better comparison & one Obunghole should have used was The Fall of Saigon.

    Or in this case, The Fall of Saigoat.


  154. RIX
    154 | September 21, 2012 12:39 pm

    @ John Difool:

    I don’t rec.all the East Germans spilling through the wall & burning down western Berlin & attacking their West German counterparts

    Exactly, Obama is either incapable of critical thought, or
    dishonest or both.
    I say both.


  155. 155 | September 21, 2012 12:41 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Obama is now comparing the violence following the Arab Spring
    to the fall of the Berlin Wall.
    This is so silly, what can one say?

    I don’t recall the East Germans spilling through the wall & burning down western Berlin & attacking their West German counterparts.

    you are correct!

    this isnt the berlin coming down and freedom breaking out all over, this is the muzslime wall going up and oppression and evil taking over.

    Indeed. It’s the difference between foreign policy success vs. foreign policy failure.


  156. John Difool
    156 | September 21, 2012 12:45 pm

    @ RIX:
    @ MacDuff:

    Hillary Clinton going on Pakistani state t.v. without a hijab on & telling muslims to remain calm, probably caused at least 20 deaths & a building or two to burn down.

    She should do that every day, every hour on the hour.


  157. RIX
    157 | September 21, 2012 12:45 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Obama is now comparing the violence following the Arab Spring
    to the fall of the Berlin Wall.
    This is so silly, what can one say?
    One can say that his followers will believe it.

    They’ll believe it even if they don’t understand it.


  158. RIX
    158 | September 21, 2012 12:50 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Democrats are notoriously not personally charitable.
    They believe in collective guilt & collective giving.
    They will spend until your last dime.


  159. 159 | September 21, 2012 12:50 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ RIX:
    @ MacDuff:

    Hillary Clinton going on Pakistani state t.v. without a hijab on & telling muslims to remain calm, probably caused at least 20 deaths & a building or two to burn down.

    She should do that every day, every hour on the hour.

    $70M in apologies on Pakistani TV for Americans exercising their First Amendment rights. It’s putrid beyond belief.


  160. Speranza
    160 | September 21, 2012 12:50 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Obama is now comparing the violence following the Arab Spring
    to the fall of the Berlin Wall.
    This is so silly, what can one say?

    He is as ignorant about history (even recent history) as he is about economics.


  161. lobo91
    161 | September 21, 2012 12:50 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ RIX:
    @ MacDuff:

    Hillary Clinton going on Pakistani state t.v. without a hijab on & telling muslims to remain calm, probably caused at least 20 deaths & a building or two to burn down.

    She should do that every day, every hour on the hour.

    Only if she does it live from Pakistan.


  162. Speranza
    162 | September 21, 2012 12:51 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    $70M in apologies on Pakistani TV for Americans exercising their First Amendment rights. It’s putrid beyond belief.

    It is so shameful as to be almost unbelievable. I wish to God Romney would start growing a pair and mentioning it in ads. Pock-ee-stan -- the nation that hid bin laden.


  163. 163 | September 21, 2012 12:53 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    EEEEWWWWWW!


  164. RIX
    164 | September 21, 2012 12:53 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ RIX:
    @ MacDuff:
    Hillary Clinton going on Pakistani state t.v. without a hijab on & telling muslims to remain calm, probably caused at least 20 deaths & a building or two to burn down.
    She should do that every day, every hour on the hour.

    She’s scaring the children!


  165. John Difool
    165 | September 21, 2012 12:54 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Actually I don’t think they were offended when she didn’t put a hijab on. Probably thought she was a man.


  166. RIX
    166 | September 21, 2012 12:54 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    Obama is now comparing the violence following the Arab Spring
    to the fall of the Berlin Wall.
    This is so silly, what can one say?

    He is as ignorant about history (even recent history) as he is about economics.

    He is not a really bright guy.


  167. lobo91
    167 | September 21, 2012 12:55 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Actually I don’t think they were offended when she didn’t put a hijab on. Probably thought she was a man.

    Or a goat


  168. 168 | September 21, 2012 12:55 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Obama is now comparing the violence following the Arab Spring
    to the fall of the Berlin Wall.
    This is so silly, what can one say?

    He is as ignorant about history (even recent history) as he is about economics.

    Must be all that CHOOM! he’s been doing…. 8)


  169. Speranza
    169 | September 21, 2012 1:10 pm

    RIX wrote:

    He is not a really bright guy.

    I never understood all the fawning over his so-called “intelligence”. Navy “corpse-man”, “Austrian” as a language -- gimme a break!


  170. Speranza
    170 | September 21, 2012 1:11 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Democrats are notoriously not personally charitable.
    They believe in collective guilt & collective giving.
    They will spend until your last dime.

    They also are very good at sheltering their own investments. They think they are immune from the effects of Obamanomics.


  171. RIX
    171 | September 21, 2012 1:18 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:
    He is not a really bright guy.
    I never understood all the fawning over his so-called “intelligence”. Navy “corpse-man”, “Austrian” as a language — gimme a break!

    There is a reason why he doesn’t release his college transcripts.


  172. RIX
    172 | September 21, 2012 1:22 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Democrats are notoriously not personally charitable.
    They believe in collective guilt & collective giving.
    They will spend until your last dime.

    They also are very good at sheltering their own investments. They think they are immune from the effects of Obamanomics.

    It’s really snobbish elitism.
    They actually have nothing but disdain for the Middle Class.
    Look how easily they bought into the nonsense that the Tea
    Party is a bunch of violent crypto Nazis.


  173. Speranza
    173 | September 21, 2012 2:08 pm

    RIX wrote:

    There is a reason why he doesn’t release his college transcripts.

    Take away the teleprompter and he is ummm…..uhhh….


  174. The Osprey
    174 | September 22, 2012 11:24 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Granny Warren, aka Fauxcahontas is one of the more repulsive liars in public life.

    Fauxcahontas, of the Cherohonkee tribe! :lol:


  175. The Osprey
    175 | September 22, 2012 11:27 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Obama is now comparing the violence following the Arab Spring
    to the fall of the Berlin Wall.
    This is so silly, what can one say?

    He is as ignorant about history (even recent history) as he is about economics.

    Must be all that CHOOM! he’s been doing….

    I did a lot of Choomin’ back in the day but I don’t think it’s the Maui Wowie that destroyed his brain,
    it’s the “Progressive-ism”.


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