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Honesty In Government: Not So Much.

by Flyovercountry ( 128 Comments › )
Filed under Economy, Politics, unemployment at October 8th, 2012 - 3:00 pm

Hat tip Yenta Fadda

Well, we knew going into this campaign season that the goal of Barack Obama, beyond all election goals was to have unemployment below 8.0%. No sitting President, outside of FDR has ever been reelected with numbers that bad. Just like many of us predicted, and were roundly ridiculed as conspiracy theorists, the last employment report before the election gave us an unemployment number of 7.8%. The problem for those of us on the right, is not the concept that for the first time in 44 months there may be some real headway in the world of employment statistics, that our friends, neighbors, and family members may in fact be experiencing an end to the economic misery that has been needlessly inflicted upon us. The problem is that this report could only be considered truthful in the land of Unicorns, the mythical kingdom where our President seems to be from.

For those who do not know by now, the Bureau of Labor Statistics does not determine its full employment report based on hard data. The contents of this monthly report are based upon the interpretation of answers to two surveys which have been conducted randomly each and every month of our nation’s existence. One survey conducts a poll amongst 400,000 companies which meets the minimum size requirements to be considered, and the other survey is of 60,000 U.S. households. The reports that are created from these surveys are nothing more than the interpretations of those wonderfully accurate polls that we have all become so fond of.

This is not the conspiratorial part of the article, just some perfunctory analysis of the obviously fudged statistical conclusions of our federal government, used to tell us what the state of our economy is. While the more oft reported U3 number, the guess as to how many Americans are actively looking for work, but can not find it has been falling steadily for the past two years, the truer measure of labor force participation and real unemployment number U6 has remained unchanged since 2009. It stands fast at 14.7%. While our economy added 114,000 jobs, our population increased by 150,000 during September. This marks the 48th consecutive month that available jobs increased by a number lower than population growth. In what universe would an unemployment decrease be possible?

In the Universe of Unicorns, where we could merely shift people from one category to another with a number two pencil, an eraser, and creative accounting. According to zerohedge.com, the BLS report included a seasonal adjustment of 377,000 jobs, (something that happens every year at this time in anticipation of temporary workers being added to cover increased commerce around the holiday season,) What makes this so startling this time around, is that it represents the largest such adjustment in the history of our government’s tracking of these statistics. Merry Christmas! Then there is the adjustment made to reflect the real change in Birth versus Death rates, as compared to the estimations. Unfortunately, the revisions are also estimates, albeit supposedly more refined estimations. For July and August, those revisions were for a total of 52,000 people, also a new record for such revisions, by a mere 1000%. So, out of the 114,000 jobs added, 429,000 were nothing more than pure statistical fudging.

So, outside of the outright lies being told to us by the BLS, which should just have its moniker officially changed to BS, of what quality were the non fictional jobs added to give us this far from rosy picture? As it turns out, of the very same quality that sent the Democrats into a tizzy in 2004.

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This report is part of a broader trend that we’ve seen over the past few years, in which job gains have been concentrated in lower-wage positions. And this isn’t just spin from the Romney campaign. Over the summer, the liberal National Employment Law Project released a report that was highlighted in the Atlantic, which focused on this trend. The report found that:

– Lower-wage occupations were 21 percent of recession losses, but 58 percent of recovery growth.

– Mid-wage occupations were 60 percent of recession losses, but only 22 percent of recovery growth.

This is illustrated by the NELP chart above. Though Obama has touted modest job gains during the recovery as evidence things are getting better, looking merely at the headline jobs and unemployment number obscures the fact that the middle class has still struggled to find quality jobs, while more Americans are settling for lower-paying work.

Now, on to the more conspiratorial part of today’s musings. (you didn’t believe that I would have skipped that after reading the headline did you?) Guess what! As it happens, at least two of the economists who produced today’s full unemployment report are Obama donors. Just because people are in government positions does not mean that they are non partisan, even though they are required by law to be so. It is an impossible task to ask any person with an opinion to suddenly cast their personal feelings aside simply because their employment requires a certain amount of neutrality. They still root for one side over the other. Keeping that in mind, due to simple attrition and propensities for hiring versus not hiring, meaning that Democrats hire a lot more than Republicans do while in charge, about 80% of those who work for the federal government, even when the Republicans are in charge, tend to be left of center politically. The BLS, (BS,) is certainly no exception to that rule.

So, exactly how out of whack was today’s employment report? Check out Hilda Solis’ reception on CNBC, hardly a hostile forum for her.

Still not convinced that this report is utter nonsense? Consider this little bit of historical perspective. The last time we experienced an increase in total employment of 853,000 jobs, it was 1983, and our GDP was growing at an eyepopping 9.2% per year. Currently our GDP is growing at a putrid 1.1% per year. On its face, this report is baloney from its first sentence to its last. Only a true moron would be capable of believing it, which pretty much sums up the exact voting block B. Hussein Obama is shooting for.

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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128 Responses to “Honesty In Government: Not So Much.”
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  1. Mars
    1 | October 8, 2012 3:09 pm

    At least these numbers and the polling numbers have something in common. Neither one is honest in the least. Dems lie.

    As an aside I just noticed that Dreams from My Real Father is up on Netflix instant. Anyone who has it should watch this documentary and get it’s rating as high as we can.

    http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Dreams_from_My_Real_Father/70257081?trkid=134852


  2. song_and_dance_man
    2 | October 8, 2012 3:10 pm

    …the truer measure of labor force participation and real unemployment number U6 has remained unchanged since 2009. It stands fast at 14.7%. While our economy added 114,000 jobs, our population increased by 150,000 during September. This marks the 48th consecutive month that available jobs increased by a number lower than population growth. In what universe would an unemployment decrease be possible?

    This is the type of original writing that needs the attention of the greater blogosphere and honest news outlets.


  3. song_and_dance_man
    3 | October 8, 2012 3:12 pm

    Great piece fly.


  4. lobo91
    4 | October 8, 2012 3:18 pm

    While our economy added 114,000 jobs, our population increased by 150,000 during September. This marks the 48th consecutive month that available jobs increased by a number lower than population growth. In what universe would an unemployment decrease be possible?

    To borrow a phrase from a beloved former Dem president, “It depends on the meaning of ‘unemployment.’”


  5. song_and_dance_man
    5 | October 8, 2012 3:31 pm

    I find it absurd that the Left would glee over a near 8% unemployment rate. Of course they will say, we are turning a corner in the, until now after 3+ years, Obama Boom.

    kapow and shazaam


  6. 6 | October 8, 2012 3:38 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    [Deleted]


  7. Lily
    7 | October 8, 2012 4:01 pm

    After the horrible performance that obama had in the debate and then these new numbers on the Friday after the debate. The books were cooked to help obama look better. Like you said anyone who believes this number are morons.


  8. song_and_dance_man
    8 | October 8, 2012 4:11 pm

    @ Lily:
    blue meat for the Chair hoard


  9. song_and_dance_man
    9 | October 8, 2012 4:20 pm

    Hey Rodan

    The Village Voice picked up on you again!

    “If Obama has the New Yorker making fun of him, then you know he is in trouble,”

    This is a another writer from the site, and not the one who picked up your work last time.


  10. coldwarrior
    10 | October 8, 2012 4:22 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    This is the type of original writing that needs the attention of the greater blogosphere and honest news outlets.

    and this

    shadow stats…the real numbers


  11. song_and_dance_man
    11 | October 8, 2012 4:26 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    and this

    shadow stats…the real numbers

    That’s a fairly scary stat. 1 in 4 employable people out or can’t find work.


  12. song_and_dance_man
    12 | October 8, 2012 4:28 pm

    good job rodan and fly

    shopping beckons and bbl


  13. coldwarrior
    13 | October 8, 2012 4:29 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    and this
    shadow stats…the real numbers
    That’s a fairly scary stat. 1 in 4 employable people out or can’t find work.

    that is the reality.

    so the choice is clear, cut regulations and taxes and grow the economy, get the boot of govt off of the necks of the poeple and companies that create wealth. grow the economy, cut govt and we can be sitting pretty in less than 8 quarters


  14. Will Consult for Food
    14 | October 8, 2012 4:29 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    Raises hand. Sobs.

    I’m about to get off the unemployment rolls by taking on some contract work. I sure hope I can keep it up long term otherwise I will end up as one of the uncounted.


  15. coldwarrior
    15 | October 8, 2012 4:34 pm

    @ Will Consult for Food:

    i was one of the uncounted my last year of nursing school, yet i was for real unemployed.


  16. Lily
    16 | October 8, 2012 4:34 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    I take it they are not fans of conservatives. ;)
    /irony here is they are the ones wearing tin foil on their heads and going la la la I can’t here you! I guess Lara Logan is a tin foiler too…because she is saying obama is lying to us.
    /I know it was posted before but this article bears repeating. If obama is lying to us about this he is certainly lying about other things. Rubber met road.

    Our enemies are writing the story, she suggests, and there’s no happy ending for us.

    As a journalist, I was queasy. Reporters should tell the story, not be the story. As an American, I was frightened.

    Logan even called for retribution for the recent terrorist killings of Christopher Stevens, the U.S. ambassador to Libya, and three other officials. The event is a harbinger of our vulnerability, she said. Logan hopes that America will “exact revenge and let the world know that the United States will not be attacked on its own soil. That its ambassadors will not be murdered, and that the United States will not stand by and do nothing about it.”

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/10/08/cbs-lara-logan-obama-is-lying-to-the-american-people-jihadists-are-stronger-than-ever-and-they-are-coming-after-us/


  17. lobo91
    17 | October 8, 2012 4:35 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I’m one, too.


  18. 18 | October 8, 2012 4:36 pm

    This is interesting for whre it is as much as what it is. Someone took the Joy-Juice out of the CBS watercooler:

    CBS News) The former head of a Special Forces “Site Security Team” in Libya tells CBS News that in spite of multiple pleas from himself and other U.S. security officials on the ground for “more, not less” security personnel, the State Department removed as many as 34 people from the country in the six months before the terrorist attack in Benghazi that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others.

    Lt. Col. Andy Wood will appear this week at a House Oversight Committee hearing that will examine security decisions leading up to the Sept. 11 terrorist attack on the U.S. compound in Benghazi.

    Speaking to CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson, Wood said when he found out that his own 16-member team and a six-member State Department elite force were being pulled from Tripoli in August -- about a month before the assault in Benghazi -- he felt, “like we were being asked to play the piano with two fingers. There was concern amongst the entire embassy staff.”

    That’ll leave a mark. Benghazi should be where Obama’s career went to die, and Hillary’s along with it. This is stunningly incompetent. Or collusion. This really helped al Qaeda get back into the Jihad game.


  19. Lily
    19 | October 8, 2012 4:37 pm

    @ Lily:

    PIMF ….darn keyboard….HERE=HEAR


  20. lobo91
    20 | October 8, 2012 4:38 pm

    @ Lily:

    As a journalist, I was queasy. Reporters should tell the story, not be the story.

    What this person really objects to is having a reporter tell something other than the approved story.


  21. lobo91
    21 | October 8, 2012 4:40 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson

    The same reporter who broke the Fast & Furious story.

    Interesting…


  22. 22 | October 8, 2012 4:42 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I think she’ll be off the Obmamas’ Christmas Card list…


  23. citizen_q
    23 | October 8, 2012 4:42 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    This is stunningly incompetent. Or collusion. This really helped al Qaeda get back into the Jihad game.

    Can’t it be all three?

    I wonder if obama and kilinton think they can abate jihad and leverage the jihadists by allowing, shepherding, by partnering with groups like the muslim brotherhood to bring a caliphate into existence.


  24. Lily
    24 | October 8, 2012 4:43 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    If you add up all the things obama has done just since the embassies attack ….. on the day our ambassador was killed…he moaned that HE HAD A BAD DAY!
    Not to mention all the shuffling around to make sure it was not called a terrorist attack..then him not containing the site of the attack and all the other embassies that were being attacked…if you just take in account what he has done since then it has to be collusion. If you add what he has done in the middle east in total it most certainly is collusion.


  25. citizen_q
    25 | October 8, 2012 4:44 pm

    @ lobo91:
    In a very ugly way she was the story.


  26. Lily
    26 | October 8, 2012 4:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    As a journalist, I was queasy. Reporters should tell the story, not be the story.

    What this person really objects to is having a reporter tell something other than the approved story.

    Yep!


  27. RIX
    27 | October 8, 2012 4:46 pm

    The Gallup Organization expressed skepticism of the
    new unemployment numbers.
    This is while Gallup is being threatened by the DOJ
    with a lawsuit for alleged overcharging of the government.


  28. Lily
    28 | October 8, 2012 4:48 pm

    @ RIX:

    The DOJ is everywhere it seems but never where the law is actually being broken.


  29. lobo91
    29 | October 8, 2012 4:49 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    The DOJ is everywhere it seems but never where the law is actually being broken.

    The Department of Just Us…


  30. Lily
    30 | October 8, 2012 4:51 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    The DOJ is everywhere it seems but never where the law is actually being broken.

    The Department of Just Us…

    No kidding.


  31. Lily
    31 | October 8, 2012 4:52 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    In a very ugly way she was the story.

    And she is standing up and saying OBAMA IS LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!! This bears repeating over and over again.


  32. song_and_dance_man
    32 | October 8, 2012 4:54 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    so the choice is clear, cut regulations and taxes and grow the economy, get the boot of govt off of the necks of the poeple and companies that create wealth. grow the economy, cut govt and we can be sitting pretty in less than 8 quarters

    I’m not gone yet.

    Trump had it right when he was considering a run. To get America back on it’s feet with manufacturing everyone would need to tighten their collective belts. Getting the jobs back from China, India and Mexico would require us to pay more for goods in the interim as we re-tooled, but it would be essential if we are ever to become a self reliant country again.

    This is a quote from a fabulous book by Bill Bryson titled The Life and Times of the Thunderbolt Kid. A book I highly recommend. Highly recommend.

    By 1951, when I came sliding down the chute, almost 90 percent of families had refrigerators, and nearly three-quarters had washing machines, telephones, vacuum cleaners, and gas or electric stoves—things that most of the rest of the world could still only fantasize about. Americans owned 80 percent of the world’s electrical goods, controlled two-thirds of the world’s productive capacity, produced more than 40 percent of its electricity, 60 percent of its oil and 66 percent of its steel. The 5 percent of people on earth who were Americans had more wealth the the other 95 percent combined.

    I know we can never get back to those types of numbers, but we can regain a self-sustaining productivity in all these areas if we quit out-sourcing work for just lower costs.

    But the Left will not have it. They are brokeback and just can quit.

    btw, the book I quoted from is not about economics. It is a memoir of his life growing up in Des Moines. And it will literally make you laugh out loud.


  33. Tanker
    33 | October 8, 2012 4:55 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:
    The DOJ is everywhere it seems but never where the law is actually being broken.

    Amen…damn where is that ding button!


  34. lobo91
    34 | October 8, 2012 4:56 pm

    @ Lily:

    And she is standing up and saying OBAMA IS LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!

    And she’s not even an American.


  35. Lily
    35 | October 8, 2012 4:59 pm

    @ Tanker:

    8-)


  36. song_and_dance_man
    36 | October 8, 2012 5:00 pm

    Will Consult for Food wrote:

    I’m about to get off the unemployment rolls by taking on some contract work. I sure hope I can keep it up long term otherwise I will end up as one of the uncounted.

    I’m sure it differs from state to state, but I had got unemployment for only about a year. After that it’s get a job, or go on welfare. That was in the 80′s when I decided to take a break from being productive. I was also into drugs heavily at the time and that didn’t do much for me wanting to find a job.


  37. song_and_dance_man
    37 | October 8, 2012 5:02 pm

    Lily wrote:

    /I know it was posted before but this article bears repeating. If obama is lying to us about this he is certainly lying about other things. Rubber met road.

    I don’t thinks he’s told the truth but a few times. My Muslim faith and 57 states being two of these rare occurrences.


  38. song_and_dance_man
    38 | October 8, 2012 5:02 pm

    Lily wrote:

    PIMF ….darn keyboard….HERE=HEAR

    here here


  39. lobo91
    39 | October 8, 2012 5:05 pm

    LOL

    “I think President Obama’s got to feel good about the election today. Venezuela’s, not ours. At least it shows his policies are popular somewhere.”

    --Greg Gutfeld


  40. Lily
    40 | October 8, 2012 5:07 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    LOL! There were other spelling mistakes I overlooked too! Darn keyborad!


  41. RIX
    41 | October 8, 2012 5:07 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    The DOJ is everywhere it seems but never where the law is actually being broken.

    Holder seems to redefine criminality.
    Voter intimidation by Black Panthers?
    No problem, he can’t prosecute “my people.”


  42. Lily
    42 | October 8, 2012 5:09 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    He is a pathological liar.


  43. Lily
    43 | October 8, 2012 5:11 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ RIX:

    The DOJ is everywhere it seems but never where the law is actually being broken.

    Holder seems to redefine criminality.
    Voter intimidation by Black Panthers?
    No problem, he can’t prosecute “my people.”

    No kidding.


  44. song_and_dance_man
    44 | October 8, 2012 5:14 pm

    Looks like the jobs report is helping much.

    From Drudge: Pew R 49% O 45 %

    I am now more happy.

    bbl really have to get vittles.


  45. citizen_q
    45 | October 8, 2012 5:15 pm

    Lily wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    In a very ugly way she was the story.

    And she is standing up and saying OBAMA IS LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!! This bears repeating over and over again.

    Not parroting the lefty orthodoxy will get your story buried, ignored.

    She isn’t saying anything we don’t already know. What is novel is that one of their own after being mugged by reality is admitting what we have been screaming about for ages.


  46. lobo91
    46 | October 8, 2012 5:15 pm

    @ Lily:

    It’s really amazing how bad the Attorneys General have been under the past few Democrat administrations.

    Janet Reno used the DOJ as Clinton’s personal legal defense firm. Holder, of course, was one of her top lieutenants.

    And Ramsey Clark, LBJ’s Attorney General, turned out to be a full-blown Marxist and terrorist supporter.


  47. Lily
    47 | October 8, 2012 5:18 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It seems through the years they keep getting worse and worse. Isn’t Holder doing everything he can to advance obama’s policy’s and protect him too?
    I do not think that obama will ever replace Holder he knows too much.


  48. Guggi
    48 | October 8, 2012 5:21 pm

    The sky is falling, WaPo reports:

    Pew poll shows Romney leading by 4 percent

    Mitt Romney has jumped out to a slight lead in the aftermath of a strong debate last week, according to a new poll from the Pew Research Center. Pew, which in mid-September showed Romney trailing President Obama by eight points, now shows him leading the president by four points among likely voters — the first time Romney has led by that much. The poll is the second survey today to suggest a significant post-debate bounce for Romney. A Gallup tracking poll conducted in the three days after the debate showed Romney and Obama tied at 47 percent among registered voters.


  49. Lily
    49 | October 8, 2012 5:22 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    In a very ugly way she was the story.

    And she is standing up and saying OBAMA IS LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!! This bears repeating over and over again.

    Not parroting the lefty orthodoxy will get your story buried, ignored.

    She isn’t saying anything we don’t already know. What is novel is that one of their own after being mugged by reality is admitting what we have been screaming about for ages.

    I am sorry what happened to her. But I never would have fallen hook line and sinker concerning what was being put out about the damn Arab Spring it had all the markings of the Muslim Brotherhood on it. Not to mention 9/11 told me everything I needed to know about Islam. Then I studied it. The more I learn about it the more it makes me sick and if I ever hear that every religion has it’s radicals like Islam again I am going to throw up.


  50. lobo91
    50 | October 8, 2012 5:24 pm

    @ Guggi:

    The left will just repeat what we’ve been saying, which is that the polls are BS.


  51. Lily
    51 | October 8, 2012 5:25 pm

    @ Guggi:

    The AP and the MSM is in total disconnect with the American people…most people are not buying what they are trying to shove down our throats.


  52. Lily
    52 | October 8, 2012 5:29 pm

    Good grief they really are trying to scramble and make obama look good. Sorry you are making him look EVEN MORE PATHETIC.

    Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) said Monday that Abraham Lincoln “wasn’t a great debater” during a visit to the Obama campaign field office in Denver, Colo., according to Denver West Word reporter Sam Levin.

    Lincoln famously participated in the Lincoln-Douglas Debates — a series of seven debates in 1858, that pitted the future president against Stephen Douglas.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/10/08/another-excuse-for-obamas-debate-thrashing-colorado-dem-gov-says-abraham-lincoln-wasnt-a-great-debater-either/


  53. citizen_q
    53 | October 8, 2012 5:34 pm

    @ Lily:
    You should hear the hysterics from our local news teams here in the DC area over the anti-Jihad Metro Ads, by Pamela Geller’s group.

    The nerve to suggest that jihadists are savages!

    Tell that to the Fogel family for instance.


  54. coldwarrior
    54 | October 8, 2012 5:35 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Looks like the jobs report is helping much.
    From Drudge: Pew R 49% O 45 %
    I am now more happy.
    bbl really have to get vittles.

    if they are using the 2008 enhanced over sampled dem model and these are the numbers, little bammy is in a heap big pile of trouble


  55. Guggi
    55 | October 8, 2012 5:39 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    The left will just repeat what we’ve been saying, which is that the polls are BS.

    From the same source a follow up:

    …But will it matter in the long run: In 2004, nearly six in ten registered voters who watched the presidential debate said they thought Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry had won. And in 2000, 41 percent said Al Gore won as compared to 32 percent who opted for then Texas governor George W. Bush. So, the “winner” of the first debate wound up losing in each case. Which is either a trend or totally irrelevant depending on your partisan perspective.


  56. coldwarrior
    56 | October 8, 2012 5:44 pm

    @ Guggi:

    they were both debating W…not exactly a tough debate opponent, truth be told.

    and now we find out that 0 aint all that either.


  57. lobo91
    57 | October 8, 2012 5:45 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I just put a post into the queue that needs to be scheduled.


  58. Lily
    58 | October 8, 2012 5:48 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Good heavens! There are so many examples of them murdering innocent people that they are too numerous to even begin to type. Didn’t 9/11 give these people an idea of what type of people they are? Plus all through the 90′s the terrorists attacks. Unreal.


  59. Lily
    59 | October 8, 2012 5:51 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Personally they are trying to reframe excatly what happened in that debate between Romney and obama. obama’s messiah like image the media has been promoting was cracked in 90 minutes. Done. The debate was huge..because it showed excatly how little of a man obama really is.
    All the media is trying to say it wasn’t a big deal…but really it was a big deal.


  60. lobo91
    60 | October 8, 2012 5:54 pm

    @ Lily:

    All the media is trying to say it wasn’t a big deal…but really it was a big deal.

    To quote Joe Biden, “This is a big f***** deal!”


  61. huckfunn
    61 | October 8, 2012 5:55 pm

    Regional Zeta boss arrested in Mexico. This guy was a particularly bloodthirsty monster.

    In a written statement, the Mexican Navy said, “Squirrel is credited with being the mastermind of the deaths of 72 undocumented migrants in San Fernando. He is the alleged perpetrator of the narco graves found in Tamaulipas state, with more than 200 bodies and the execution of more than 50 people by his own hand in different parts of the republic, [as well as] the murder of David Hartley, an American citizen killed at Falcon Dam on September 30, 2010.”

    The statement also said Martinez Escobar is a suspect in the beheading of Mr. Flores Villegas, whose decapitated body was delivered to the Mexican military in a suitcase.


  62. Lily
    62 | October 8, 2012 5:57 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    All the media is trying to say it wasn’t a big deal…but really it was a big deal.

    To quote Joe Biden, “This is a big f***** deal!”

    LOL! Yeah it was. But the media is telling us our eyes and ears were lying.


  63. Lily
    63 | October 8, 2012 5:59 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Aren’t all the Zeta’s blood thristy monsters? Glad they got one.
    Looked into that group they worship the devil. No lie!


  64. lobo91
    64 | October 8, 2012 5:59 pm

    Wow…I actually agree with Bob Beckel about something.

    Neither of us understand why people will pay all that money to buy Starbucks coffee.


  65. lobo91
    65 | October 8, 2012 6:04 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Aren’t all the Zeta’s blood thristy monsters? Glad they got one.
    Looked into that group they worship the devil. No lie!

    Their core is also made up of deserters from the Mexican Special Forces.


  66. Lily
    66 | October 8, 2012 6:07 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Aren’t all the Zeta’s blood thristy monsters? Glad they got one.
    Looked into that group they worship the devil. No lie!

    Their core is also made up of deserters from the Mexican Special Forces.

    That is one nasty outfit the Zeta’s…and they do have this worship of the devil to boot. I would venture they are responsible for a lot of the killings going on in Mexico..they tend to be just a little more careful here..but they are here in the States too. Seems like the DOJ would be concerned about that…but nope.


  67. huckfunn
    67 | October 8, 2012 6:08 pm

    @ Lily:
    @ lobo91:
    He’s implicated in the murder of a U.S. citizen on Falcon Lake, Texas 2 years ago. That should be enough to extradite him to the U.S. Otherwise, he’ll end up directing his mob from some Hilton-like prison in Mexico until he engineers his own escape.


  68. Lily
    68 | October 8, 2012 6:10 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Yep because being behind bars doesn’t hinder them at all.


  69. lobo91
    69 | October 8, 2012 6:11 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    They won’t extradite him to the US unless prosecutors agree not to seek the death penalty or life without parole.


  70. citizen_q
    70 | October 8, 2012 6:12 pm

    @ Lily:
    They are delusional behind their multi-culti blinders.


  71. citizen_q
    71 | October 8, 2012 6:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    They won’t extradite him to the US unless prosecutors agree not to seek the death penalty or life without parole.

    Guess air-strikes are out of the question then.


  72. coldwarrior
    72 | October 8, 2012 6:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I just put a post into the queue that needs to be scheduled.

    sorry, was occupied making some killer guacamole…

    your post is now the special report on the front page for all to see


  73. lobo91
    73 | October 8, 2012 6:14 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Thanks.

    My opinion of Martin Dempsey has dropped by about 40 points recently.


  74. huckfunn
    74 | October 8, 2012 6:16 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    They won’t extradite him to the US unless prosecutors agree not to seek the death penalty or life without parole.

    True. However, several other big time cartel bosses have already been extradited to the U.S. under the same arrangement. Put ‘em in a supermax and throw away the key.


  75. 75 | October 8, 2012 6:18 pm

    @ Lily:

    What I wonder about the Zetas, now that the PRI is running the show again, whether they might take a break.


  76. huckfunn
    76 | October 8, 2012 6:18 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    sorry, was occupied making some killer guacamole…

    It’s been reported that members of the Killer Guacamole Cartel are running amok in Clinger Country.


  77. lobo91
    77 | October 8, 2012 6:19 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    sorry, was occupied making some killer guacamole…

    I can email you some of the green chile chicken enchiladas I made last night.

    Still some green chile stew left, too.

    //Fall in the southwest is green chile season


  78. lobo91
    78 | October 8, 2012 6:19 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ Lily:

    What I wonder about the Zetas, now that the PRI is running the show again, whether they might take a break.

    Entirely possible.


  79. yenta-fada
    79 | October 8, 2012 6:20 pm

    OT Warning to those who bank online. Hacking from Russia and Eastern European countries.

    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=212456


  80. 80 | October 8, 2012 6:22 pm

    Looks like the left is getting more desperate by the hour if this is all they can come up with.


  81. coldwarrior
    81 | October 8, 2012 6:22 pm

    @ lobo91:

    SEND IT!


  82. coldwarrior
    82 | October 8, 2012 6:23 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    sorry, was occupied making some killer guacamole…
    It’s been reported that members of the Killer Guacamole Cartel are running amok in Clinger Country.

    I control the killer guac tribe here in bitter clinger country.


  83. lobo91
    83 | October 8, 2012 6:23 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Green chile was the thing I missed most in Kuwait.


  84. coldwarrior
    84 | October 8, 2012 6:25 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Green chile was the thing I missed most in Kuwait.

    that is entirely understandable. they are yummy


  85. song_and_dance_man
    85 | October 8, 2012 6:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Still some green chile stew left, too.

    I made some last night. Really delish.


  86. lobo91
    86 | October 8, 2012 6:28 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    The dining facilities in Kuwait have “Mexican food” every Wednesday for lunch.

    I usually went to Subway on Wednesdays…


  87. song_and_dance_man
    87 | October 8, 2012 6:29 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    It’s been reported that members of the Killer Guacamole Cartel are running amok in Clinger Country.

    The Tortilla Chip Brigade must be assembled to counter these dips.


  88. coldwarrior
    88 | October 8, 2012 6:31 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    The dining facilities in Kuwait have “Mexican food” every Wednesday for lunch.
    I usually went to Subway on Wednesdays…

    :lol:

    i believe that!


  89. coldwarrior
    89 | October 8, 2012 6:32 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:
    It’s been reported that members of the Killer Guacamole Cartel are running amok in Clinger Country.
    The Tortilla Chip Brigade must be assembled to counter these dips.

    too late!

    we crunched them!


  90. song_and_dance_man
    90 | October 8, 2012 6:33 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    that is entirely understandable. they are yummy

    Many agree to this. NM has the best chile in the world. I made some tamales the first year I was here that were to die for. And I made the chile the old fashion way. Boil down red Hatch and puree to yummy goodness. Add a chicken, a roast and a good chunk of ham combined with plenty of spices that must include cumin.


  91. song_and_dance_man
    91 | October 8, 2012 6:35 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    we crunched them!

    I knew they would be bagged someday! 8-O


  92. song_and_dance_man
    92 | October 8, 2012 6:37 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The dining facilities in Kuwait have “Mexican food” every Wednesday for lunch.

    LA has some of the best mom and pop mexican diners. So does this place. But nothing like my two grandmas did it. They were both born here.


  93. yenta-fada
    93 | October 8, 2012 6:37 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    that is entirely understandable. they are yummy
    Many agree to this. NM has the best chile in the world. I made some tamales the first year I was here that were to die for. And I made the chile the old fashion way. Boil down red Hatch and puree to yummy goodness. Add a chicken, a roast and a good chunk of ham combined with plenty of spices that must include cumin.

    Most of the ‘immigrants’ we get just make halal foods. :-( We are pretty far away from Mexico. Chinese, Indian, Korean, Vietnamese, and Greek food is plentiful.


  94. 94 | October 8, 2012 6:38 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    Or perhaps they’re exhorting Romney to do the Nasty with Ann, just to see how boring it’d be compared to what they all do?

    /EEEEWWWWWW!


  95. song_and_dance_man
    95 | October 8, 2012 6:38 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Looks like the left is getting more desperate by the hour if this is all they can come up with.

    That sign doesn’t even make sense unless one is gratified just to see the f-word.


  96. coldwarrior
    96 | October 8, 2012 6:39 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    we crunched them!
    I knew they would be bagged someday!

    ha!


  97. coldwarrior
    97 | October 8, 2012 6:40 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    oh my, that sounds fabulous


  98. song_and_dance_man
    98 | October 8, 2012 6:41 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    We are pretty far away from Mexico. Chinese, Indian, Korean, Vietnamese, and Greek food is plentiful.

    I lived in a city called Rowland Heights in SoCal that had been pretty much taken over by Orientals. Half of the shops didn’t even utilize english to market their wares or services. However, there are plenty of authentic diners that serve food that is a far cry from what you might get at a place like Panda Express.


  99. 99 | October 8, 2012 6:41 pm

    Humpf. I did make ham fried rice tonight, and I maintained control with the ginger, garlic and red pepper, so it turned out pretty good.


  100. coldwarrior
    100 | October 8, 2012 6:43 pm

    ruh ro!

    Only 73 percent who support Obama say they are “extremely likely” to vote, compared to 86 percent who back Romney. Likewise, 84 percent of Republicans say they are extremely likely to vote, compared to 76 percent of Democrats.

    Among those extremely likely to vote, Romney actually leads Obama 52 percent to 46 percent. That’s up from a 2-point lead last week. Obama led 50 percent to 47 percent among this group three weeks ago.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82122.html#ixzz28ka2nXzz


  101. song_and_dance_man
    101 | October 8, 2012 6:45 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Humpf. I did make ham fried rice tonight, and I maintained control with the ginger, garlic and red pepper, so it turned out pretty good.

    The ginger sounds good.

    I came up with a new dish not long ago. Pickled ginger cole slaw. Man is it good.


  102. yenta-fada
    102 | October 8, 2012 6:45 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Looks like the left is getting more desperate by the hour if this is all they can come up with.

    They don’t know any more about Romney than they know about Obama. They just know how they FEEL.


  103. coldwarrior
    103 | October 8, 2012 6:46 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    there was a vitenamese restaurant in philly’s china town of all places that was one of the best places i ever ate. just a hole in the wall, nothing special about the decor, but damn damn damn…the food!


  104. song_and_dance_man
    104 | October 8, 2012 6:47 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    OT Warning to those who bank online. Hacking from Russia and Eastern European countries.
    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=212456

    Good thing I bank with a small time FCU.


  105. lobo91
    105 | October 8, 2012 6:47 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    LA has some of the best mom and pop mexican diners. So does this place. But nothing like my two grandmas did it. They were both born here.

    My grandparents ran a motel, general store and cafe in western NM for about 45 years.


  106. yenta-fada
    106 | October 8, 2012 6:51 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    OT Warning to those who bank online. Hacking from Russia and Eastern European countries.
    http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=212456
    Good thing I bank with a small time FCU.

    I think you have the right idea. We don’t have all that many banking choices up here. Six major banks and a smattering of this and that for various communities and work-oriented organizations.


  107. song_and_dance_man
    107 | October 8, 2012 6:52 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    My grandparents ran a motel, general store and cafe in western NM for about 45 years.

    My dad’s mom, who was Spanish/Jew, ran the best restaurant in Artesia. I’ve NEVER had a chili relleno or chile verde that has matched it. Every summer, after we moved to LA, we would vacation there, and I always made it my duty to furtherlearn how to cook from her. My other grandma was also a fine cook and I learned things from here as well.

    When my parents divorced while I was still a young boy I became the cook of the house. And I could really cook even thought I was only 10 or so.


  108. song_and_dance_man
    108 | October 8, 2012 6:56 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    there was a vitenamese restaurant in philly’s china town of all places that was one of the best places i ever ate. just a hole in the wall, nothing special about the decor, but damn damn damn…the food!

    I know what you mean. I’ve been to many really wonderful restaurants that are one-offs that serve some of the best chow to be had.


  109. song_and_dance_man
    109 | October 8, 2012 6:58 pm

    Well, I’m gonna eat some more of the green chili stew I made last night.

    bbl


  110. coldwarrior
    110 | October 8, 2012 7:00 pm

    the puti wants a fire out on the deck and its a perfect fall night in PA for it.

    bbl


  111. Moe Katz
    111 | October 8, 2012 7:07 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    song_and_dance_man wrote:
    coldwarrior wrote:
    that is entirely understandable. they are yummy
    Many agree to this. NM has the best chile in the world. I made some tamales the first year I was here that were to die for. And I made the chile the old fashion way. Boil down red Hatch and puree to yummy goodness. Add a chicken, a roast and a good chunk of ham combined with plenty of spices that must include cumin.
    Most of the ‘immigrants’ we get just make halal foods. We are pretty far away from Mexico. Chinese, Indian, Korean, Vietnamese, and Greek food is plentiful.

    Quebec City is, like, a sushi joint on every block.


  112. Lily
    112 | October 8, 2012 7:09 pm

    Good grief! And if a white person said this????

    A prominent Ivy-League professor denounced Columbus Day and mocked those who celebrate it byreleasing a list of individuals he deems are the “15 most overrated white people” on Monday.

    Marc Lamont Hill, Associate Professor of English Education at Columbia University, wrote that the holiday is one of America’s “most bizarre cultural rituals” and that he finds it perplexing people “continue to praise the vicious conquistador as a hero.”

    “To honor the true spirit of Columbus Day, I have created my own list of overrated white people,” he wrote in his article published on the Huffington Post.

    The list includes Elvis Presley, Ronald Reagan, Babe Ruth, William Shakespeare, Tim Tebow, among others.

    “Elvis didn’t write his own songs (despite taking credit for them), barely played the guitar, and was a worse actor than the entire cast of Belly,” wrote Hill.

    “Despite being a cheap facsimile of Little Richard, he is still known as the ‘King of Rock ‘n Roll.’ Only in America,” he added.

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/10/08/columbia-professor-mocks-columbus-day-with-list-of-15-most-overrated-white-people/#disqus_thread


  113. lobo91
    113 | October 8, 2012 7:16 pm

    @ Lily:

    Marc Lamont Hill belongs on a list of the most overrated black professors.

    Of course, if I were to compile such a list, I’d be attacked as a racist.


  114. lobo91
    114 | October 8, 2012 7:17 pm

    @ Lily:

    Hill hosts the nationally syndicated television show Our World With Black Enterprise and is a regular guest on CNN, MSNBC, and FOX News. He describes himself as a “social justice activist and organizer” on his website and one of the “leading hip-hop generation intellectuals.”

    Whatever


  115. coldwarrior
    115 | October 8, 2012 7:20 pm

    @ Lily:

    let that shithead come here to pgh, go to bloomfield and tell the italians that to their faces, go ahead, tough guy. i dare ya.

    you’ll swim with the fishes, thug.

    (back to the fire…bbl)


  116. Lily
    116 | October 8, 2012 7:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Marc Lamont Hill belongs on a list of the most overrated black professors.

    Of course, if I were to compile such a list, I’d be attacked as a racist.

    Hill is a racist…imagine if a white person complied a list of over-rated black people on Martin Luter King holiday. Unreal.


  117. Lily
    117 | October 8, 2012 7:24 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Hill hosts the nationally syndicated television show Our World With Black Enterprise and is a regular guest on CNN, MSNBC, and FOX News. He describes himself as a “social justice activist and organizer” on his website and one of the “leading hip-hop generation intellectuals.”

    Whatever

    Yep *whatever* he will be regulated to the dust bins of history. His opinion isn’t worth a bag of rocks.


  118. 118 | October 8, 2012 7:25 pm

    Macker wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    Or perhaps they’re exhorting Romney to do the Nasty with Ann, just to see how boring it’d be compared to what they all do?
    /EEEEWWWWWW!

    They should be yelling “FK U Obama FK U”!


  119. Lily
    119 | October 8, 2012 7:28 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Macker wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:
    Or perhaps they’re exhorting Romney to do the Nasty with Ann, just to see how boring it’d be compared to what they all do?
    /EEEEWWWWWW!

    They should be yelling “FK U Obama FK U”!

    Yep they should. Excatly what has he done for anybody in this country?
    He had divided it, waged war on our culture, is racist…what a total failure he has been in every which way.


  120. Moe Katz
    120 | October 8, 2012 7:29 pm

    Hill is also an ignoramus. Harry is 3rd in line to the throne, not “234th.” And Elvis played a very credible rhythm acoustic guitar, much like any country/folk vocal artist.


  121. lobo91
    121 | October 8, 2012 7:30 pm

    @ Lily:

    Yep *whatever* he will be regulated to the dust bins of history. His opinion isn’t worth a bag of rocks.

    Here’s his list.


  122. Lily
    122 | October 8, 2012 7:32 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    Hill is making sure he makes it loud and clear he doesn’t like white people.


  123. Lily
    123 | October 8, 2012 7:34 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I saw it! I mean good grief on almost all of them…really he spent time to sit down and write how much he dislikes white people. Personally I don’t care what color skin you are. Yet he has to go on color of skin.


  124. Moe Katz
    124 | October 8, 2012 7:36 pm

    @ Lily:
    Indeed. And if you turned it around and published a list of the most overrated black celebrities you’d be crucified. I nominate Snoopp for openers.


  125. Lily
    125 | October 8, 2012 7:38 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    A little tid bit that some people might not know about the Snoop….he was into making porn too as one of his business adventures.


  126. lobo91
    126 | October 8, 2012 7:39 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Indeed. And if you turned it around and published a list of the most overrated black celebrities you’d be crucified. I nominate Snoopp for openers.

    Barack Obama


  127. Moe Katz
    127 | October 8, 2012 7:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Indeed. And if you turned it around and published a list of the most overrated black celebrities you’d be crucified. I nominate Snoopp for openers.

    Barack Obama

    How could I have overlooked one that obvious?


  128. Moe Katz
    128 | October 8, 2012 7:46 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    A little tid bit that some people might not know about the Snoop….he was into making porn too as one of his business adventures.

    Such a wholesome fellow….


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