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Anti-Semitism without Jews in Malaysia

by Speranza ( 96 Comments › )
Filed under Anti-semitism, Canada, Israel at October 10th, 2012 - 12:00 pm

It is always interesting that some of the worst anti-Semitic Islamic nations are not even Arabs.

by Robert Fulford

In Kuala Lumpur, the capital of Malaysia, politicians and civil servants devote a surprising amount of time to thinking about Israel, 7,612 km away. Sometimes they appear to be obsessed by it. Malaysia has never had a dispute with Israel, but the government encourages the citizens to hate Israel and also to hate Jews whether they are Israelis or not.

Few Malaysians have laid eyes on a Jew; the tiny Jewish community emigrated decades ago. Nevertheless, Malaysia has become an example of a phenomenon called “Anti-Semitism without Jews.” Last March, for instance, the Federal Territory Islamic Affairs Department sent out an official sermon to be read in all mosques, stating that “Muslims must understand Jews are the main enemy to Muslims as proven by their egotistical behaviour and murders performed by them.” About 60% of Malaysians are Muslim.

In Kuala Lumpur, it’s routine to blame the Jews for everything from economic failures to the bad press Malaysia gets in foreign (“Jewish-owned”) newspapers.

The leaders of the country assume that Jews and Israelis deserve to be humiliated as often as possible. In 1984, the New York Philharmonic cancelled a visit because the Malaysian information minister demanded that a composition by Ernest Bloch, an American Jewish composer who died in 1959, be eliminated from their program. [........]  The government banned Schindler’s List, calling it anti-German and pro-Jewish propaganda. The same government later decided it could be shown if seven scenes were cut. Steven Spielberg refused, so the government removed all his films from Malaysia’s screens.

In 2003, the prime minister’s political party gave delegates to the United Malays National Organization copies of Henry Ford’s anti-Semitic book from the 1920s, The International Jew, a favourite of Hitler, translated into Bahasa Malay.

For half a century, Israel has tried to establish diplomatic relations, but Kuala Lumpur has always replied that Muslim opinion makes that politically impossible. Instead, Malaysia has joined the Arab campaign to defame Israel. Trade with Israel is officially banned — but goes on nevertheless, through covert arrangements with third countries. (Sales of products from Israel’s Intel computer chip factory to Malaysia amount to many millions of dollars a year. Malaysian policy softens temporarily when confronted with certain products at the right price.)

It’s only when we grasp the unremitting and mindless hostility of countries such as Malaysia that we begin to understand the pain and difficulty of Israel’s place in the world. This is the context in which we should think about the Harper government’s pro-Israel policy. Israel faces automatic enmity from all the Arab nations, most other Muslim-dominated states and the many organizations in democratic countries that dedicate themselves to showering abuse on Israel (and no one else) in the name of human rights.

Except during civil wars, no other state, not even the worst dictatorship, not even Iran or China, is so badly and so often maligned. Now only Canada and the United States (in certain moods) give Israel the benefit of the doubt.

Yet many Canadians apparently believe that there is something unfair in this situation, not in the invective heaped on Israel but in Canada’s habit of friendship with the only democracy in the Middle East. It’s argued that this policy has done harm to Canada. Jeffrey Simpson of The Globe and Mail says that because of our attitude to Israel, “Canada’s reputation in the Arab world is mud.”

[.......]

That phrase “honest broker” seems to me one of the most dubious of Canadian clichés. I have not once in several decades seen it applied to us by a citizen of some other country. In my experience, it’s one of those compliments many Canadians, and only Canadians, pay to Canada. Burman expresses nostalgia for an attribute that hasn’t existed, so far as I’m aware, since the 1950s.

Simpson says the Harper government’s policy is based on a simple-minded black-and-white view, on the evangelical Christian streak among Conservatives, on the idea that Israel is a democracy and Arab countries are not and on a hope of prying Canadian Jews away from the Liberals.

Or, just possibly, there might be another reason: Because it’s the right thing to do.

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  1. 1 | October 10, 2012 12:06 pm

    It is the Islam, not the Arab, that is the Enemy.


  2. 2 | October 10, 2012 12:26 pm

    I thought ////


  3. Speranza
    3 | October 10, 2012 12:32 pm

    What the **** did Israel ever do to Malaysia?


  4. Speranza
    4 | October 10, 2012 12:33 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Rodan:
    The Islamic ideology is the enemy. It is incompatible with our long held values.


  5. 5 | October 10, 2012 12:42 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Islam is a viriulently anti-freedom, anti-human Ideology cloaking itself as a religion. Though it has the trappings of religion, do not be confused. It has nothing to do with God, or even spirituality as those are know by the rest of the human race. Nazism is the closest thing we’ve seen to Islam, but Islam is far older, and even darker. The only reason you haven’t seen Islamic genocides on the scale of the Holocaust is lack of industrialization in the Islamic world, and you have seen Holocaust levels of ethnic/religious cleansing. It is just because of their technological backwardness it takes the Islamic world longer to do its purges.


  6. waldensianspirit
    6 | October 10, 2012 12:46 pm

    OT: O’Keefe does it again!


  7. 7 | October 10, 2012 12:59 pm

    For some reason, Malaysia (KL in particular) is considered one of the best duty spots for westerners in the oil biz. I don’t know why, having never been there myself.

    That’s just an observation, not a criticism of anything above. Like I said, I don’t know. Seems strange, though.


  8. 8 | October 10, 2012 1:07 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Business is business!


  9. 9 | October 10, 2012 1:08 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Speranza:

    I thought Malaysians were different kind of Muslims! Moderate and tolerant!
    ///


  10. citizen_q
    10 | October 10, 2012 1:10 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    What the **** did Israel ever do to Malaysia?

    Stand up to jihad and win.

    Plus, well, they are Jews, a dhimmi people under allah’s curse according to islam’s wretched scriptures.

    Islam is a failure as religion and political ideology. They need a boogey man to blame expressions of those failures on. Jews fit the bill.

    Not saying anything you did not already know. Sometimes I just fee like responding to a rhetorical question.


  11. 11 | October 10, 2012 1:10 pm

    So it begins.

    U.S. Military Is Sent to Jordan to Help With Crisis in Syria

    Where are the peace protesters? Oh that’s right, a Democrat is in the White House.


  12. 12 | October 10, 2012 1:17 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I imagine the Star Trek King is starting to sweat…bullets!


  13. 13 | October 10, 2012 1:19 pm

    @ Macker:

    Jordan is the next target of the MB. The US is going there to help the MB rebels in Syria. This is just crazy.


  14. 14 | October 10, 2012 1:20 pm

    @ Rodan:

    They are moderate and tolerant. For Muslims. That is as moderate and tolerant as they really get. Pay attention to any of them (like Tariq Ramadan, for example). They’re all sweetness and light for a little while, and then they are conspiracy theories and genocide. Islam commands them to enslave the world, and they are very serious about doing exactly that.


  15. waldensianspirit
    15 | October 10, 2012 1:23 pm

    Obama Says He Was ‘Just Too Polite’ at Debate
    So debates are won on the scale of jackassery. Who knew


  16. citizen_q
    16 | October 10, 2012 1:23 pm

    O/T Rush is comparing the obama’s admin lying about Bengazi to Clinton’s lying about Monica Lewinsky, just as I have been saying here.

    GMTA :-)


  17. 17 | October 10, 2012 1:26 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Nobody died in Zippergate. People died in Benghazi. They died for Obama’s policies and because Obama doesn’t want to believe that there is an Islamic threat to the United States. If Iran gets nukes on Obama’s watch, a lot more people are going to die for his policies.


  18. citizen_q
    18 | October 10, 2012 1:28 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Obama Says He Was ‘Just Too Polite’ at Debate
    So debates are won on the scale of jackassery. Who knew

    He knows he has already lost on the issues.

    I heard that his handlers had all sorts of zingers and one-liners prepared. Again ceding that they have lost on the issues. However, obama did not make the effort to prep with them.


  19. 19 | October 10, 2012 1:28 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    I guess his idea of “too polite” is not calling Romney a Cracka, among other things!


  20. 20 | October 10, 2012 1:28 pm

    Ah, jeez -- Alex Karras did die. RIP, Alex.


  21. Bumr50
    21 | October 10, 2012 1:29 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Obama still doesn’t know what happened at the debate because he’d never been ALLOWED to lose anything before. The MSM, progressive enablers, affirmative action, and heaven knows what else had protected him up to that point.

    I don’t think it was intentional on the part of the debate organizers. They probably thought he’d do fine with zero audience participation and little moderator interference, what with him being a sooper jeenyus and all.


  22. yenta-fada
    22 | October 10, 2012 1:31 pm

    I wrote Robert Fulford on Saturday to thank him for publishing this op-ed. He’s such a mensch & knows a lot about the arts and literature.
    He thanked me by e-mail. Whenever I write him, I include info on Islam and the Jews that is not widely known but is historically accurate. It is not the first time he has stood up for the Jews. Lefties see the National Post and react like vampires to crosses. They are soooo brainwashed.


  23. waldensianspirit
    23 | October 10, 2012 1:32 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    I heard that his handlers had all sorts of zingers and one-liners prepared.

    I imagine Obama was scared to deliver them without TOTUS or doing his homework for fear of goofing

    He prepared like he’s always prepared for tests


  24. citizen_q
    24 | October 10, 2012 1:34 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    People of obama’s ilk view deaths as the broken eggs needed for the omlette of their policies.

    He needs to be gone.

    He has more than a soft spot for islam. He is actively supporting it. What would obama or hillary for that matter be doing differently if they were not trying to facilitate the spread of islam?


  25. RIX
    25 | October 10, 2012 1:35 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Obama is tying his foreign policy cred to killing Bin Laden
    You would think that he led the raid.
    It’s wearing thin.


  26. 26 | October 10, 2012 1:35 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Islam commands them to enslave the world, and they are very serious about doing exactly that.

    With the help of people in the West!


  27. citizen_q
    27 | October 10, 2012 1:38 pm

    @ Bumr50:
    There is that aspect also. Good point.

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    I imagine Obama was scared to deliver them without TOTUS or doing his homework for fear of goofing

    Or maybe thought that Romney had his own and being the better person would not go there unless obama paved the way.


  28. waldensianspirit
  29. yenta-fada
    29 | October 10, 2012 1:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Islam commands them to enslave the world, and they are very serious about doing exactly that.

    With the help of people in the West!

    As the West continues to go hopelessly into more debt, the jizya to Islam will be cut off. They will riot, because that’s what they know how to do from their training in Muslim countries.
    Sharia compliant prisons for Muslims only! No infidels to convert.


  30. yenta-fada
    30 | October 10, 2012 1:42 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Bumr50:
    There is that aspect also. Good point.

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    I imagine Obama was scared to deliver them without TOTUS or doing his homework for fear of goofing

    Or maybe thought that Romney had his own and being the better person would not go there unless obama paved the way.

    Remember, Ozero thought he was WINNING the debate already.


  31. yenta-fada
    31 | October 10, 2012 1:43 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Obama still doesn’t know what happened at the debate because he’d never been ALLOWED to lose anything before. The MSM, progressive enablers, affirmative action, and heaven knows what else had protected him up to that point.

    I don’t think it was intentional on the part of the debate organizers. They probably thought he’d do fine with zero audience participation and little moderator interference, what with him being a sooper jeenyus and all.

    They threw up some of the kool-aid that evening and the next day.


  32. citizen_q
    32 | October 10, 2012 1:44 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Obama is tying his foreign policy cred to killing Bin Laden
    You would think that he led the raid.
    It’s wearing thin.

    It is also bogus. I understand that on Jarette’s consul he passed 3 times before, and only went forward this time because of the political fallout if the opportunity was finally lost due to his dithering and setting up the admiral in charge as a fall guy.

    A pathetic back story.

    On the other hand, who would not go after osama? I don’t see any special quality of character demonstrated to do what anyone I could think of would do in his place.


  33. citizen_q
    33 | October 10, 2012 1:46 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    He is a victim of believing his own press.

    I don’t doubt he thought he won simply by showing up.


  34. yenta-fada
    34 | October 10, 2012 1:47 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Calypso Louie and his followers wouldn’t go after osama.


  35. yenta-fada
    35 | October 10, 2012 1:49 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    He is a victim of believing his own press.

    I don’t doubt he thought he won simply by showing up.

    Not a victim. A malignant narcissist who gets off on choosing and watching drone strikes.


  36. yenta-fada
    36 | October 10, 2012 1:50 pm

    Later. Having a molar pulled. ouch ouch.


  37. yenta-fada
    37 | October 10, 2012 1:50 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Later. Having a molar pulled. ouch ouch.

    It’s like pulling teeth. lol


  38. citizen_q
    38 | October 10, 2012 1:52 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    You got me there.

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Not a victim. A malignant narcissist who gets off on choosing and watching drone strikes.

    I can see him pining for the day he can do that to US citizen’s on US soil.


  39. citizen_q
    39 | October 10, 2012 1:52 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Good luck!


  40. 40 | October 10, 2012 1:54 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Happy painkillers! They do give you painkillers in Canada, don’t they? 8O


  41. 41 | October 10, 2012 2:00 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Would Vampires also coil back from the Star of David? That is also a Holy Symbol…and I’m not even Jewish! 8)


  42. 42 | October 10, 2012 2:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Macker:

    Interesting polling data from Nevada.


  43. waldensianspirit
    43 | October 10, 2012 2:10 pm

    “I tease, it’s like one day I am going to walk out that gate. I’m just going to walk out. I’m going to walk out. No one’s going to know, I’m not going to notify anybody and I’m just going to walk … I’m going to go to CVS,” she said.

    Someone’s pissed at Barry.

    Why are they even running for a second term? We don’t want them suffering in the White House any longer either


  44. darkwords
    44 | October 10, 2012 2:13 pm

    @ 20 Mike C.: Great guy. I was always jealous of him because of his better half.


  45. darkwords
    45 | October 10, 2012 2:15 pm

    Obamas plan to levy a UN tax on the US to send money to the third world.

    I prefer to let Christian charities do this work.


  46. darkwords
    46 | October 10, 2012 2:16 pm

    Malaysia, cycles of ignorance. We need to label them as such. Unfit for common discourse until they become humans.


  47. darkwords
    47 | October 10, 2012 2:18 pm

    @ 6 waldensianspirit: Butt, Butt, sarah silverman, kristen bell, and the league of women voters say voter fraud never happens.


  48. Speranza
    48 | October 10, 2012 2:19 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Malaysia, cycles of ignorance. We need to label them as such. Unfit for common discourse until they become humans.

    I will never buy any clothing that has a “Made in Malaysia” label on it.


  49. Speranza
    49 | October 10, 2012 2:20 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Alex

    See headlines.


  50. 50 | October 10, 2012 2:20 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Unreal!


  51. citizen_q
    51 | October 10, 2012 2:21 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:
    I am betting that not being able to take one of her vacations for appearances sake until the election is over is tough on her as well.

    Here’s to hoping she returns to being a private citizen with all due speed!


  52. 52 | October 10, 2012 2:21 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Hey check my #42.


  53. waldensianspirit
    53 | October 10, 2012 2:30 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Obamas plan to levy a UN tax on the US to send money to the third world.
    I prefer to let Christian charities do this work.

    Josey Waaaaaales!!!!


  54. darkwords
    54 | October 10, 2012 2:32 pm

    @ 48 Speranza: We make such a big to do in this country about hate, bullying, and racism. In some manner that is preaching to the choir. The real problem is out there in the third world where poverty runs the educational systems. Poverty of pocketbook and poverty of mind.

    Here is where the UN could actually do some good. Publish an educational system for the third world that looks past all the malignant leaders it has. I think to be in the modern world and be respected one has to be on equal terms between men and women, allows gays the rights to exist and prosper, be kind to animals, kids, and old folks.

    Clean water, cheap food. Then a basic education that does away with superstition. We westerners would be shocked if we realized how much of the world believes in the evil eye. How ingrained black magic is into the thinking of third world peoples.

    Spoons, forks, doorknobs, planes, industrial foods. Those were all weird foreign things to my GF from China. China is actually a well educated country but she grew up with a strong belief in ghosts, and a strong cultural aversion to anything not Chinese. Especially black devils and white devils. Malaysia is the poor mans version of that.

    The internet will eventually kill all that off, but in islamic countries those people will be heretics first.


  55. darkwords
    56 | October 10, 2012 2:35 pm

    @ 53 waldensianspirit: Great movie. It’s carried its weight over time.

    I watched Coogan’s Bluff recentlly for the 4th time and still liked it. Eastwood knows his stuff. Josey Wales, The Unforgiven are a couple of my favorites. And the one where he steals a Russian airplane, or the one where he and Don Rickles rob the Nazis of a lot of gold in WWII.


  56. Speranza
    57 | October 10, 2012 2:39 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Here is where the UN could actually do some good. Publish an educational system for the third world that looks past all the malignant leaders it has.

    Zero chance the Useless Nations would do something like that.


  57. waldensianspirit
    58 | October 10, 2012 2:39 pm

    @ darkwords:
    Getting a hankerin’ to watch them again :-)


  58. lobo91
    59 | October 10, 2012 2:41 pm

    @ darkwords:

    The internet will eventually kill all that off, but in islamic countries those people will be heretics first.

    Very few people in the Islamic world have unfiltered internet access, though. Most of the governments over there severely restrict what their people can see.

    Kuwait has some of the most dangerous roads in the world, not because of the roads themselves, but because the Kuwaitis are such shitty drivers.

    The reason they’re shitty drivers is because of Islam. They don’t believe in things like the laws of physics (much less traffic laws), because they literally believe that everything happens because Allah wills it.

    They don’t wear seatbelts. In fact, most of them have removed the seatbelts from their cars. They don’t use child safety seats (or even know what they are). It’s common to see children standing on the center console of a car with their heads sticking out the sunroof.

    And Kuwait is a relatively modern Islamic country.


  59. lobo91
    60 | October 10, 2012 2:42 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The OIC runs the UN, aside from the Security Council.


  60. 61 | October 10, 2012 2:43 pm

    @ lobo91:

    And Kuwait is a relatively modern Islamic country.

    That is the scary part!


  61. 62 | October 10, 2012 2:44 pm

    @ Speranza:

    They wouldn’t even want to. An educated populace would cut into the oppertunities for graft. All the UN is is the world’s longest con game. All they are is a new aristocracy that is built mostly from the old aristocracy and the “leadership”, such as it is, of the Third World.


  62. lobo91
    63 | October 10, 2012 2:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    And Kuwait is a relatively modern Islamic country.

    That is the scary part!

    That’s the real reason there are no significant scientific advances coming out of the Islamic world. Even with an affluent, educated populace, they still cling to ideas like that.


  63. lobo91
    64 | October 10, 2012 2:51 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Most of the buildings in Kuwait wouldn’t come close to meeting western construction standards. They build cinder block buildings 15 or 20 stories high. The electrical wiring is a joke, even in brand new buildings.

    If a bunch of people die as a result, though, it’s because they were bad people.


  64. 65 | October 10, 2012 2:53 pm

    Just so you know, the State Department has apparently disowned Susan Rice’s lie about the Benghazi Attack:

    In an unusual display of disunity, State Department officials have disowned remarks by one of their top officials, U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice, regarding her explanation of the deadly terrorist assault on U.S. diplomats in Libya in September. Not only did they say Rice’s characterization of those attacks as “spontaneous” was wrong, but also, they said that assessment was never the conclusion of the State Department at any point in time.

    So the Obama Administration went on all the networks and lied, and they’ve been holding to this lie for a month. I hope Mitt Romney directly asks Obama what he intends to do about al Qaeda and this new wave of terrorism.


  65. citizen_q
    66 | October 10, 2012 2:53 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    they literally believe that everything happens because Allah wills it.

    And therefore common sense precautions are attempts to defy the will of allah?


  66. 67 | October 10, 2012 2:53 pm

    @ lobo91:

    So if a Hurricane hit Kuwait (not that it would), there would be massive damage then.


  67. lobo91
    68 | October 10, 2012 2:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    So if a Hurricane hit Kuwait (not that it would), there would be massive damage then.

    Hell, almost all the population lives in a narrow strip of land about 5 miles wide along the coast. It would look like nobody ever lived there after a hurricane.

    The real danger is an earthquake, though. A 5.0 quake that would break a few dishes in the US would kill hundreds of thousands there.


  68. lobo91
    69 | October 10, 2012 3:01 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    they literally believe that everything happens because Allah wills it.

    And therefore common sense precautions are attempts to defy the will of allah?

    Basically, yeah. When first responders get to the scene of a car accident, if there are seriously injured people there, they basically don’t do anything for them for about an hour. If they live that long, then they’ll take care of them.


  69. citizen_q
    70 | October 10, 2012 3:02 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Just so you know, the State Department has apparently disowned Susan Rice’s lie about the Benghazi Attack:

    In an unusual display of disunity, State Department officials have disowned remarks by one of their top officials, U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice, regarding her explanation of the deadly terrorist assault on U.S. diplomats in Libya in September. Not only did they say Rice’s characterization of those attacks as “spontaneous” was wrong, but also, they said that assessment was never the conclusion of the State Department at any point in time.

    So the Obama Administration went on all the networks and lied, and they’ve been holding to this lie for a month. I hope Mitt Romney directly asks Obama what he intends to do about al Qaeda and this new wave of terrorism.

    And is freezing out Fox News so that they cover-up with the help of the MFM. The MFM might be starting to report aspects of this disaster, but Fox has been on it the most and the least like to just accept the admins lies or bury the story to cover for obama and his toadys Rice and Hillary.


  70. Alberta Oil Peon
    71 | October 10, 2012 3:04 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Except that Christian Arabs are often as anti-Semitic as the muzz are. Remember that islam is largely nothing more than primitive Arab tribalism, codified. With a dollop of superstition thrown in.


  71. bluliner10
    72 | October 10, 2012 3:07 pm

    O/T RIP CSM Basil Plumley
    A good muldoon even if he was Army.

    The soldier stood and faced his God, Which must always come to pass; He hoped his shoes were shining bright, Just as brightly as his brass.

    “Step forward now, soldier, How shall I deal with you? Have you turned the other cheek? To my church have you been true?”

    The soldier squared his shoulders and said, “No, Lord, I guess I ain’t; Because those of us who carry guns, Can’t always be a saint.

    I’ve had to work most Sundays, And at times my talk was rough; I’ve had to break your rules my Lord, Because the world is awfully tough.

    But, I never took a thing That wasn’t mine to keep; Though I worked a lot of overtime, When the bills got just too steep.

    And I never passed a cry for help, Though at times I shook with fear; And sometimes … God forgive me, I’ve wept unmanly tears.

    I know I don’t deserve a place Among the people here; They never wanted me around, Except to calm their fears.

    If you’ve a place for me here, Lord, It needn’t be so grand; I never expected or had too much, But if you don’t, I’ll understand.”

    There was a silence all around the throne, Where the saints often trod; As the soldier waited quietly, For the judgment of his God.

    “Step forward now, soldier, You’ve borne your burdens well; Come walk peacefully on Heaven’s streets, You’ve done your time in HELL!”


  72. 73 | October 10, 2012 3:10 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    And now the State Department has essentially called them all liars. It especially doesn’t look good for Hillary Clinton. Obama might could claim he didn’t know because Hillary didn’t tell him, but she can’t credibly claim that she didn’t ask her own people just what the hell happened. I don’t think she’ll fall on her sword for Obama, though, so she’ll admit that she told the President the truth, likely within hours of the incident. Long before Susan Rice lied to the American people about it. I hope they are already taping the commercials that they are going to run over this. As I’ve been saying from the beginning, this would bring down a Republican Administration. This kind of lying and coverup might cause a resignation. It’d certainly cost him re-election.


  73. lobo91
    74 | October 10, 2012 3:12 pm

    @ bluliner10:

    O/T RIP CSM Basil Plumley
    A good muldoon even if he was Army.

    Amen. A truly great NCO.


  74. bluliner10
    75 | October 10, 2012 3:16 pm

    @ lobo91:
    We Were Soldiers Once…and Young is an amazing tale. I have a tattered copy that went to Iraq and Afghanistan with me. The guy would have eaten my lunch times over, but I would have been proud to have met him anyways.


  75. 76 | October 10, 2012 3:20 pm

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:

    Most Christian Arabs are not really Arabs actually Unless they are (Jordanian/Pali/Syrian members of Banu Ghassan). They have been Arabized. That said, you are right about Islam. It’s an Arab based religion. If you look at Non Arabic Islamic countries, they use Arab names.


  76. lobo91
    77 | October 10, 2012 3:21 pm


  77. bluliner10
    78 | October 10, 2012 3:28 pm

    Any of you SOB’s call me Grandpa…I’ll kill ya! A great line I have used myself…


  78. citizen_q
    79 | October 10, 2012 3:37 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I hope this buries obama’s reelection and nips hillary’s run in the bud.

    A time-line of the lies would be an effective ad. And Why, why the lies Their spin is bull, and should not be accepted.


  79. Lily
    80 | October 10, 2012 3:39 pm

    @ bluliner10:

    LOL!


  80. 81 | October 10, 2012 3:40 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    The why is the election and the concept that Obama is the Perfect Man. This destroys the Obama Administration’s foreign policy of the last four years. They have significantly had no foreign policy successes. None. Obama didn’t even get the Olympics for Chicago. Another four years of this? Can we really afford that in a dangerous world?

    [/Campaign Ad]


  81. lobo91
    82 | October 10, 2012 3:53 pm

    It depends on the meaning of “adequate”…

    State Dept: Security adequate in Benghazi

    WASHINGTON (AP) — State Department officials said Wednesday that security levels at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, were adequate for the threat level on the anniversary of 9/11 but that the compound was overrun by an “unprecedented attack” by dozens of heavily armed extremists.

    The officials testified before an election-season congressional hearing on accusations of security failures at the consulate that led or contributed to the deaths of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans. The officials said the number of U.S. and local security guards at the compound was consistent with what had been requested by the post.

    “We had the correct number of assets in Benghazi at the time of 9/11,” said Charlene Lamb, the deputy secretary of state for diplomatic security in charge of protecting American embassies and consulates around the world.

    I can think of at least 4 people who would disagree with this assessment…or would if they were still alive to do so.


  82. citizen_q
    83 | October 10, 2012 4:02 pm

    @ lobo91:
    The lies come so easily don’t they.

    I would wager that the State Dept’s security staffing is along the lines of the suicidal rules of engagement hampering our military, so as a bureaucrat she is technically correct. The reality speaks for itself.

    If were stationed overseas with the foreign service I would be very very concerned.


  83. huckfunn
    84 | October 10, 2012 4:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    “We had the correct number of assets in Benghazi at the time of 9/11,” said Charlene Lamb, the deputy secretary of state for diplomatic security in charge of protecting American embassies and consulates around the world.

    And that “correct” number of assets protecting the ambassador was exactly ONE Libyan security guard.


  84. 85 | October 10, 2012 4:06 pm

    New Thread.


  85. lobo91
    86 | October 10, 2012 4:11 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Someone mentioned earlier in the hearing that they had a 30% monthly turnover within their Libyan “security” force.


  86. huckfunn
    87 | October 10, 2012 4:25 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Someone mentioned earlier in the hearing that they had a 30% monthly turnover within their Libyan “security” force.

    The fact that they would depend on local yokels for diplomatic security is worse than incompetent; it’s dereliction of duty.


  87. lobo91
    88 | October 10, 2012 4:33 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    The fact that they would depend on local yokels for diplomatic security is worse than incompetent; it’s dereliction of duty.

    I still want to know who signed off on the waiver for the physical security of the compound. According to their own standards, a facility in that environment was supposed to have a wall all the way around, bulletproof windows, be set back 100 feet from the street, etc.

    It didn’t even have a fence. I have more security at my house than they did.

    Maybe I should send Leia over there to help them.


  88. buzzsawmonkey
    89 | October 10, 2012 4:38 pm

    Surprise! US troops are in Jordan!


  89. huckfunn
    90 | October 10, 2012 4:42 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I still want to know who signed off on the waiver for the physical security of the compound.

    Bottom line. The buck stops with Hillary and Obam-uh. She should resign or be run off. Yes, I know. It ain’t gonna happen.


  90. lobo91
    91 | October 10, 2012 4:45 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Surprise! US troops are in Jordan!

    There have been US troops in Jordan off and on for the past decade. I know several people who have spent time there.


  91. lobo91
    92 | October 10, 2012 4:47 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Bottom line. The buck stops with Hillary and Obam-uh. She should resign or be run off. Yes, I know. It ain’t gonna happen.

    The buck never stops with Obama.


  92. buzzsawmonkey
    93 | October 10, 2012 4:48 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    The buck never stops with Obama.

    Isn’t “buck” a raaaaaacist dogwhistle when applied to Obama, seeing as how “buck” was once a pejorative term applied to young men of color?

    //////


  93. lobo91
    94 | October 10, 2012 4:55 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Isn’t “buck” a raaaaaacist dogwhistle when applied to Obama, seeing as how “buck” was once a pejorative term applied to young men of color?

    Sorry…my “raaaaaacist dogwhistle meter is in for repair.


  94. buzzsawmonkey
    95 | October 10, 2012 5:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Sorry…my “raaaaaacist dogwhistle meter is in for repair.

    Understandably so, in light of the workout that it’s had these last few years.


  95. 96 | October 11, 2012 12:56 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    The fact that they would depend on local yokels for diplomatic security is worse than incompetent; it’s dereliction of duty.
    I still want to know who signed off on the waiver for the physical security of the compound. According to their own standards, a facility in that environment was supposed to have a wall all the way around, bulletproof windows, be set back 100 feet from the street, etc.
    It didn’t even have a fence. I have more security at my house than they did.
    Maybe I should send Leia over there to help them.

    Leia deserves to spend her golden years more peacefully than that, but yeah, you’re right.


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