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Mitt Romney should change his stance on Syria

by Rodan ( 148 Comments › )
Filed under Elections 2012, Middle East, Mitt Romney, Progressives at October 10th, 2012 - 8:00 am

I give Mitt Romney credit for smashing the image of Obama as the wise philosopher/god-king during the debate last Wednesday. Whether Obama wins or loses, people no longer look at him as a deity but just another politician. Romney has gotten a bounce in the polls and the race is back to toss up.

On Monday Mitt Romney gave a foreign policy speech to Virginia Military Institute. Instead of offering a new foreign policy based on economic interests and realism, he promotes the same failed Wilsonian policies that both Bush and Obama have promoted. His main theme was intervention in Syria.

Mitt Romney does not understand the situation in Syria. He views it as some revolt for democracy but that is not the case. The Syria conflict pits the Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaeda vs. the Assad Regime, Iran and Hizb’Allah. The goal of the rebels is to establish another Islamic emirate then join up with other Islamist states like Egypt and form the Caliphate. That is their end game and the United States should not assist them in that goal.  Disappointingly, Mitt Romney supports helping the Syrian rebels, despite acknowledging they are Islamists.

The president has also failed to lead in Syria, where more than — more than 30,000 men, women, and children have been massacred by the Assad regime over the past 20 months. Violent extremists are flowing into the fight. Our ally Turkey has been attacked. And the conflict threatens stability in the region.

[...]

he greater tragedy of it all is that we are missing an historic opportunity to win new friends who share our values in the Middle East — friends who are fighting for their own futures against the very same violent extremists and evil tyrants and angry mobs who seek to harm us. Unfortunately, so many of these people who could be our friends feel that our president is indifferent to their quest for freedom and dignity. As one Syrian woman put it, “We will not forget that you forgot about us.”

[...]

In Syria I’ll work with our partners to identify and organize those members of the opposition who share our values and then ensure they obtain the arms they need to defeat Assad’s tanks helicopters and fighter jets. Iran is sending arms to Assad because they know his downfall would be a strategic defeat for them. We should be working no less vigorously through our international partners to support the many Syrians who would deliver that defeat to Iran, rather than sitting on the sidelines. It’s essential that we develop influence with those forces in Syria that will one day lead a country that sits at the heart of the Middle East.

The war in Syria is not in America’s interest. Most Americans realize this and oppose involvement. Mitt Romney is taking neither a popular position nor the correct one. This is a pissing match between the Muslim Brotherhood/al-Qaeda against Assad/Iran/Hizb’Allah. Both sides are evil and we should stand back and let them kill each other. The Syrian rebels are doing well without us with the assistance they are receiving from Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Any weapons we give them will eventually be used against us.

Turkey is not an ally. They are ruled by the AKP who are an affiliate of the Muslim Brotherhood. Erdogan is a Neo-Ottoman and envisions a Caliphate led by Turkey. He is a bad character and as vile as Assad or the Ayatollahs. If Turkey wants to get involved in Syria they can do it on their own. Turkey’s goal is another Islamist emirate friendly to them and the Muslim Brotherhood. Today’s Turkey is not the same nation that was our cold war ally. That is outmoded thinking and we should not view them as a friend.

On September 11th 2001 we were attacked by al-Qaeda. They are an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. It would be an injustice to those who died on 9/11 to support the same organization and its ideological allies in Syria. In memory of the dead of 9/11, Mitt Romney should reconsider his stance on Syria.

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148 Responses to “Mitt Romney should change his stance on Syria”
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  1. coldwarrior
    1 | October 10, 2012 8:25 am

    lets see what his fp is after he gets ‘the briefing’


  2. theoutsider
    2 | October 10, 2012 8:26 am

    You’re right Rodan, He should do that if he was smart. But, since 17 of his 24 Foreign Policy advisers, are Bush 43 advisers, you are stuck with them if he is elected. Pieces of shit like John Bolton, Dan Senor, and Elliot Cohen are going to be in charge.


  3. coldwarrior
    3 | October 10, 2012 8:29 am

    @ theoutsider:

    sadly.


  4. coldwarrior
    4 | October 10, 2012 8:30 am

    a realpolitik/realist approach to fp CAN be forced by a congress that is not willing to fund nation building…


  5. 5 | October 10, 2012 8:37 am

    The world would shit if MItt said “let them kill each other”…and then they’d scream WARMONGER! Then again, that’s what they call conservatives and Republicans anyway!


  6. 6 | October 10, 2012 8:44 am

    I’m going to do something I very rarely do…

    Mitt Romney should reconsider his stance on Syria.

    I agree.


  7. coldwarrior
    7 | October 10, 2012 8:44 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    I’m going to do something I very rarely do…
    Mitt Romney should reconsider his stance on Syria.
    I agree.

    HOLY SHIT!!!!

    END TIMES ARE UPON US!!!

    BUY GOLD AND AMMO AND WATER FILTERS!!!!!


  8. MikeA
    8 | October 10, 2012 8:45 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ Mike C.:

    I think I saw the 4 horsemen roll by on the street….


  9. coldwarrior
    9 | October 10, 2012 8:49 am

    MikeA wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ Mike C.:
    I think I saw the 4 horsemen roll by on the street….

    ahhh, that explains that horrible smell….pestilence and death.


  10. 10 | October 10, 2012 8:51 am

    You should always be buying ammo, regardless of portents.

    If only LuckyGunner would fix the mess with my most recent order…


  11. coldwarrior
    11 | October 10, 2012 8:52 am

    @ Mike C.:

    i have enough, now i just rotate stock at this point.

    i don’t want to live in a world that requires more ammo than i already have. it just wouldnt be worth it.


  12. MikeA
    12 | October 10, 2012 8:54 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    You never have “enough”. Just ask my wife… ;)


  13. 13 | October 10, 2012 8:54 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    a realpolitik/realist approach to fp CAN be forced by a congress that is not willing to fund nation building…

    This is where a fiscally Conservative Congress can make a difference. They can tell Romney no on Syria.


  14. MikeA
    14 | October 10, 2012 8:56 am

    @ Rodan:

    How about we just arm the other side a little. Just enough to keep them killing each other. Say its to help them but never enough to win.


  15. coldwarrior
    15 | October 10, 2012 8:59 am

    MikeA wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    How about we just arm the other side a little. Just enough to keep them killing each other. Say its to help them but never enough to win.

    iran -- iraq war style where the soviets and the americans just kept the joint on slow boil while each side massacred each other…


  16. 16 | October 10, 2012 9:00 am

    @ MikeA:

    I don’t want my tax dollars going to al-Qaeda. That said, we can encourage the Turks and Saudis to keep arming them. I can live with that so they can continue to kill each other!

    :lol:


  17. 17 | October 10, 2012 9:00 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    See my #16. I think we should encourage the Turks and Saudis to do this.


  18. MikeA
    18 | October 10, 2012 9:01 am

    @ Rodan:

    We could spend some money on popcorn and make it pay per view event. Make some money. The capitalist mystem is great!!!


  19. theoutsider
    19 | October 10, 2012 9:03 am

    @ Rodan:
    I think Romney could score some points if he talked about Afghanistan in the debate. 80% of the country wants to get out of there sooner than later. He could make an issue of it, if he had any balls.


  20. 20 | October 10, 2012 9:04 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ MikeA:

    What I was after was all-puropse revolver food. .38 Special +P fits everything I own in revolvers. Jacketed to keep me from having to scrape lead out of the barrels, cheap enough to practice with, but good enough for something more serious, should push come to shove. I ordered 400 rounds of stuff that fit the bill, but their real-time listing let me down, as they did not, in fact, have any of it. That’s a first. Trying to work it out now. I still have a couple hundred rounds of +P and regular .38 Special, and a bunch of .357 magnum, so I’m not totally out or anything. And lots of .22 LR, 9 mm, 5.56 Nato and .44 magnum on hand.


  21. MikeA
    21 | October 10, 2012 9:07 am

    @ Mike C.:

    I am having a hard time finding 7.62 NATO mil surp. None to be had. Can get the russian steel cased stuff but not crazy about running that through my FAL’s. I have about 500 rounds of .44 mag for a gun I no longer own. Been trying to get rid of it but no takers.


  22. citizen_q
    22 | October 10, 2012 9:10 am

    @ Mike C.:
    O/T was thinking of ordering from LuckGunner. What is your opinion of them?

    I have had order problems with venders before that I would do business with again. Sometimes things happen, sometimes there are problems with the business.


  23. 23 | October 10, 2012 9:12 am

    MikeA wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    I am having a hard time finding 7.62 NATO mil surp. None to be had. Can get the russian steel cased stuff but not crazy about running that through my FAL’s. I have about 500 rounds of .44 mag for a gun I no longer own. Been trying to get rid of it but no takers.

    What kind of .44 mag? How old? I might be interested.


  24. 24 | October 10, 2012 9:14 am

    @ MikeA:

    I am enjoying al-Qaeda killing members of Hizb’Allah!


  25. 25 | October 10, 2012 9:15 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    O/T was thinking of ordering from LuckGunner. What is your opinion of them?
    I have had order problems with venders before that I would do business with again. Sometimes things happen, sometimes there are problems with the business.

    I like LuckyGunner. This is the first time I haven’t had my order delivered in 3 days. But like you say, stuff happens.

    I like ordering online, as for most stuff, it’s cheaper than going to the bricks and mortar gun store, and at LuckyGunner, at least, keeps me from drastically overspending by walking by the gun cases and racks and going “Ooh! I always wanted one of those!”


  26. 26 | October 10, 2012 9:17 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Romney really could have flanked Obama on foreign policy. He could have painted Obama as enabling the Arab Spring disaster and call for a realistic and cautious foreign policy. But he is influenced too much by the Leftists in the GOP foreign policy establishment.


  27. 27 | October 10, 2012 9:18 am

    @ theoutsider:

    LOL! The ‘Stache is a piece of shit? Alrighty then.

    John Bolton would run circles around you, leaving you sucking your thumb and crying for mama.


  28. MikeA
    28 | October 10, 2012 9:20 am

    @ Mike C.:

    8 boxes of Federal JHP .44 Mag -- 50 rounds / box
    1 box of Fed Hydra Shok -- 20 rounds
    2 boxes of Corbon .44 Spec JHP -- 20 rounds / box
    1 box of .44 Mag reloads -- about 40 left in box


  29. coldwarrior
    29 | October 10, 2012 9:22 am

    @ Rodan:

    only help ‘spread democracy’ when you know that the outcome will be an ally and not another hostile country more radical than before.

    this is fp 101. it aint rocket surgery


  30. citizen_q
    30 | October 10, 2012 9:23 am

    @ Mike C.:
    Thanks!

    I usually buy my ammo at gun shows with cash. I keep an eye on prices and don’t buy if too overpriced.

    Without seeming too conspiratorial, as a resident of the peoples republik of MD, the less of a paper trail the better.

    There have been cases of teams of MD troopers in SWAT gear showing up people’s houses for a friendly chat after purchasing ammo. One case that I remember offhand was some guy who had purchased some handgun ammo I think 9mm, but the state had no record of his purchase of a handgun in that caliber. The guy had recently moved to MD, and there is no requirement to register firearms you own that are legal in MD when you move.


  31. 31 | October 10, 2012 9:23 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    HOLY SHIT!!!!

    END TIMES ARE UPON US!!!

    BUY GOLD AND AMMO AND WATER FILTERS!!!!!

    You’re not kidding!

    Matt Lauer Scolds Robert Gibbs Over Big Bird Ad: Is This A Campaign With ‘Ideas And Solutions On Its Side?’


  32. 32 | October 10, 2012 9:24 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yup and stay away from promoting it in the Islamic world.


  33. 33 | October 10, 2012 9:25 am

    @ Kafir:

    The Big Bird ad really shows how desperate Obama is. It’s tough when you are no longer viewed as a Philosopher/God king!


  34. coldwarrior
    34 | October 10, 2012 9:27 am

    Kafir wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    HOLY SHIT!!!!
    END TIMES ARE UPON US!!!
    BUY GOLD AND AMMO AND WATER FILTERS!!!!!

    You’re not kidding!
    Matt Lauer Scolds Robert Gibbs Over Big Bird Ad: Is This A Campaign With ‘Ideas And Solutions On Its Side?’

    FURTHER PROOF!

    (quickly turns the durango into a post-apocalyptic mad max lookin armored death machine)


  35. coldwarrior
    35 | October 10, 2012 9:29 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yup and stay away from promoting it in the Islamic world.

    democracy needs to be earned not given


  36. 36 | October 10, 2012 9:31 am

    MikeA wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    8 boxes of Federal JHP .44 Mag — 50 rounds / box
    1 box of Fed Hydra Shok — 20 rounds

    2 boxes of Corbon .44 Spec JHP — 20 rounds / box
    1 box of .44 Mag reloads — about 40 left in box

    You must have had a revolver. Super Blackhawk?

    I’d be interested in the Federal rounds. No interest in the .44 Special or reloads. This is fodder for one of these…

    http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/1894centerfire/1894SS.asp

    OTOH, you could buy one of those bad boys for yourself and use up that ammo…


  37. 37 | October 10, 2012 9:31 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    EXACTLY! If you don’t earn it you damn sure don’t appreciate it!


  38. MikeA
    38 | October 10, 2012 9:33 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Lets talk. I just checked. The rounds are American Eagle .44 Mag JHP. Still in the boxes. Make an offer.

    And buying another firearm now would not go over well with the wife. Just got another FAL a few months ago so I have to cool it for a bit… ;)


  39. 39 | October 10, 2012 9:35 am

    @ citizen_q:

    The Peoples’ Democratic Republic of Maryland? Repeat the Mike C. mantra after me…

    “Allied, Mayflower, North American, Ryder, U-Haul…” North or south -- either one will do.


  40. 40 | October 10, 2012 9:35 am

    Good move on Romney’s part.


    DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Wading into an explosive social issue, Republican Mitt Romney on Tuesday said he would not pursue any abortion-related legislation if elected president.

    “There’s no legislation with regards to abortion that I’m familiar with that would become part of my agenda,” he told the Des Moines Register in an interview posted on the newspaper’s website.

    The former Massachusetts governor said he would instead use an executive order to reinstate the so-called Mexico City policy that bans American aid from funding abortions. President Barack Obama waived the order soon after taking office.

    Cutting off government funding is good enough for me. No need to get distracted on this issue outside of that.


  41. theoutsider
    41 | October 10, 2012 9:35 am

    @ Rodan:
    Romney supported the Arab Spring all along, so he couldn’t get out completely. He could have hired a couple doves, or some ambiguous foreign policy guys that might balance out his trove of Neocons, but he didn’t.


  42. 42 | October 10, 2012 9:38 am

    @ Rodan:

    That was really desperate. I was shocked. All I can think is that their internal polls must be terrible. Obama still thinks he has this thing won. Good. I hope he’s still thinking that when Mitt breaks 270 electoral votes.


  43. citizen_q
    43 | October 10, 2012 9:40 am

    @ Mike C.:
    I hear you.

    But the wife has put down roots. Funny cuz this is my home state not hers.

    We’ve talked about moving, maybe back to Texas, but that is not in the immediate future.


  44. 44 | October 10, 2012 9:41 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    That was really desperate. I was shocked. All I can think is that their internal polls must be terrible. Obama still thinks he has this thing won. Good. I hope he’s still thinking that when Mitt breaks 270 electoral votes.

    Even the Leftist media is laughing at Obama’s Big Bird ad. It has to be one of the worse ads I have seen. It also implied Romney is a criminal like Bernie Madoff or Ken Lay. That actually is slander and I hope Romney calls Obama on it.

    Romney has smashed the image of Obama as a wise above it it all deity. He is now just a politician. Obama is very beatable now.


  45. 45 | October 10, 2012 9:43 am

    And this is good:\

    A new Obama ad that has ruffled feathers by mockingly portraying Big Bird as a corporate villain will stay on the air, a senior Obama campaign adviser said Wednesday.

    “I don’t know of any plans to change that ad,” Robert Gibbs told TODAY’s Matt Lauer.

    The ad sarcastically compares the beloved Sesame Street character, the breakout star in last week’s presidential debate, to major white-collar criminals and “gluttons of greed” Bernie Madoff, Kenneth Lay and others.

    But the organization behind Sesame Street asked the Obama campaign to take down the ad.

    Ihope they play it in all fifty states. The economy is in the shitter and we are at war and Obama’s worried about Big Bird? Out of touch, much? Wow. I mean, wow!


  46. 46 | October 10, 2012 9:43 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Romney could have said the the result of the Arab Spring has changed his mind. He needs a Nationalistic interest only foreign policy. Not some Leftist we are all one foreign policy. I am not voting on foreign policy since Romney and Obama bothy support different variants of Progressive foreign policy.


  47. citizen_q
    47 | October 10, 2012 9:44 am

    Holy crap! Move over Penn St.

    Ripped out, smashed up and sent in a skip to landfill: Jimmy Savile headstone removed at 1am by family ‘out of respect for public opinion’ -- as police launch hunt for BBC child abuse accomplices

    It has contacted the BBC and ITV, which are handing over details of victims who are willing to co-operate.

    As the astonishing breadth of the Savile sex scandal became clear, the BBC was facing its biggest crisis in years with renewed questions over why it failed to act on a damning but never broadcast Newsnight film on Savile’s crimes nearly a year ago.

    It also emerged yesterday that:

    Police have already identified at least 30 victims of Savile who was at his offending peak at the height of his fame during the 1970s and 1980s
    Savile targeted boys as well as girls – who were mainly aged between 13 and 16
    The first known complaint dates from 1959 when the star was 33 and at the start of his showbusiness career

    Police have already formally recorded eight criminal allegations – two rapes and six of indecent assault.

    Celebrities likely to be questioned include convicted paedophiles Gary Glitter and Jonathan King as well as other former colleagues at Radio 1 and BBC TV.

    Detectives will also probe claims that Savile was free to roam NHS wards attacking young patients, and allowed to prey on teenage pupils at state schools.

    Incredibly, five separate police forces investigated Savile while he was still alive yet none of them ever brought charges, it was revealed yesterday.

    Metropolitan Police Commissioner Bernard Hogan-Howe pledged that detectives would now be ‘asking questions’ of living celebrities about allegations of sex attacks.

    He added that police were aware of reports in the Press about a number of individuals. He said: ‘We have seen enough in these public reports that it would be negligent if we did not act and ask questions about them.’

    Glitter, who allegedly raped a girl of 13 in Savile’s BBC dressing room, is likely to be questioned.

    Savile died in October last year, denying his alleged victims the chance for justice.


  48. 48 | October 10, 2012 9:44 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Obama thought he won the debate that night. That shows how out of touch he is.


  49. 49 | October 10, 2012 9:45 am

    MikeA wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Lets talk. I just checked. The rounds are American Eagle .44 Mag JHP. Still in the boxes. Make an offer.
    And buying another firearm now would not go over well with the wife. Just got another FAL a few months ago so I have to cool it for a bit…

    Well, I’d like to offer 30 cents a round, but that would be a rip-off. How about 60 cents/round, I pay the shipping?


  50. MikeA
    50 | October 10, 2012 9:48 am

    @ Mike C.:

    Works for me. Just let me know how to get hold of you off the boards. Maybe send Rodan an email since he knows how to get hold of me. Then we can talk off-line.


  51. coldwarrior
    51 | October 10, 2012 9:49 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    The Peoples’ Democratic Republic of Maryland? Repeat the Mike C. mantra after me…
    “Allied, Mayflower, North American, Ryder, U-Haul…” North or south — either one will do.

    go north!

    PA has excellent gun laws


  52. citizen_q
    52 | October 10, 2012 9:51 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Obama thought he won the debate that night. That shows how out of touch he is.

    And how much stock he puts in the yes people surrounding him.

    Obama believes his own press. In a way it is sad, being surrounded by sycophants has skewed his perceptions of everything including himself. He should have had his comeuppance long long ago. Certainly not as President of the US where his need to grow-up has such far reaching impact.


  53. 53 | October 10, 2012 9:52 am

    @ Kafir:

    Too little too late, Matt.


  54. theoutsider
    54 | October 10, 2012 9:54 am

    @ Rodan:
    The Arab Spring didn’t change Romney’s mind. He wants more of it. War in Syria and Iran are acceptable to him.


  55. citizen_q
    55 | October 10, 2012 9:56 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    Tis true. I like PA too, beautiful country. Might even be able to afford more than a postage stamp of land.

    However all my work opportunities are in the D.C., No. VA area if my current job hits problems, sequestration anyone? Wife’s work is in Annapolis.

    The wife’s friends are all local. That is important to her, and therefore me.


  56. 56 | October 10, 2012 9:59 am

    @ theoutsider:

    War in Iran is acceptible to me. We need to bomb Iran, bare minimum today. Iran is our enemy. We are crazy to dare them to get nuclear weapons. The only reason to suspect that they don’t have nuclear bombs yet is that they haven’t used one. It isbeyond foolish t allow them a free hand to persue nukes the way Obama has.


  57. 57 | October 10, 2012 10:00 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Iran is a different category than the Arab Spring. I agree with Romney on Iran, but disagree on Syria.


  58. 58 | October 10, 2012 10:01 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    We need to bomb Iran

    This is the most essential military action we need to take. They are under a regime that believes that a nuclear war will bring back the 12th Iman.


  59. darkwords
    59 | October 10, 2012 10:04 am

    @ theoutsider:John Bolton is a good man to have in charge. That you call him a POS says more about you than it does about Bolton.


  60. 60 | October 10, 2012 10:06 am

    MikeA wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Works for me. Just let me know how to get hold of you off the boards. Maybe send Rodan an email since he knows how to get hold of me. Then we can talk off-line.

    Agreed.


  61. 61 | October 10, 2012 10:07 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    go north!

    PA has excellent gun laws

    VA’s are as good or better, too.


  62. 62 | October 10, 2012 10:14 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    We need to bomb Iran

    This is the most essential military action we need to take. They are under a regime that believes that a nuclear war will bring back the 12th Iman.

    Which I hear is an Empty Chair!


  63. citizen_q
    63 | October 10, 2012 10:17 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    go north!
    PA has excellent gun laws
    VA’s are as good or better, too.

    I need to look to NJ or Del to feel better about gun laws.


  64. theoutsider
    64 | October 10, 2012 10:17 am

    @ Rodan:
    You want to go with Iran? Lose 100,000 of our guys for nothing? Are you going to enlist?


  65. citizen_q
    65 | October 10, 2012 10:18 am

    Macker wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    We need to bomb Iran
    This is the most essential military action we need to take. They are under a regime that believes that a nuclear war will bring back the 12th Iman.

    Which I hear is an Empty Chair!

    Maybe obama is the 12th imam?

    /


  66. darkwords
    66 | October 10, 2012 10:20 am

    Stacey Dash on POTUS character


  67. 67 | October 10, 2012 10:20 am

    @ theoutsider:

    You can take care of Iran with B-2s. Why do you want the Iranians to get nuclear weapons? Do you want them to nuke Israel? Do you really think that the Iranians are subject to deterrance? If they were subject to deterrance, they wouldn’t be trying to get nuclear weapons in the first place.


  68. bluliner10
    68 | October 10, 2012 10:22 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Yes, I would pull back my retirement papers for a chance to fight Iran.


  69. 69 | October 10, 2012 10:25 am

    @ theoutsider:

    [GAZE]


  70. 70 | October 10, 2012 10:25 am

    This seems to be getting some traction:

    ABC News has learned that Eric Nordstrom, the former Regional Security Officer at the U.S. Embassy in Libya, has told congressional investigators that security at the U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, was “inappropriately low” – and believed that State Department officials stood in the way of his attempts to change that.

    Nordstrom and the commander of a 16-member Security Support Team, Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Wood, heard that foreign fighters were flowing across the Egyptian border and were making their way across the border to the Libyan city of Derna – which is to the east of Benghazi — and from there were making their way to Benghazi. But State Department officials seemed oblivious to their Benghazi post’s vulnerability.

    Libya should kill Obama’s chances at re-election. It would destroy any Republican president trying to run fo rre-election under these circumstances. The incompetance here goes all the way to the top. It is part and parcel to Obama’s disasterous policy vis the Mohammedans in every theater.


  71. theoutsider
    71 | October 10, 2012 10:28 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    We can bomb them over and over again. Don’t you think that after we kill thousands of their citizens, they’re going to retaliate? They’ll start with our soldiers in Afghanistan.


  72. coldwarrior
    72 | October 10, 2012 10:29 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    Mike C. wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    go north!
    PA has excellent gun laws
    VA’s are as good or better, too.

    I need to look to NJ or Del to feel better about gun laws.

    ouch


  73. 73 | October 10, 2012 10:30 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Theyr’re already killing our soldiers in Afghanistan, just as they were killing our soldiers in Iraq. We already have casus beli. Are you saying we should just let them hit us and do nothing? How respected on the world stage do you think that will be?


  74. theoutsider
    74 | October 10, 2012 10:30 am

    @ bluliner10:
    Take back your retirement papers, and join the military right now.


  75. 75 | October 10, 2012 10:32 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    You want to go with Iran? Lose 100,000 of our guys for nothing? Are you going to enlist?

    Who is talking about a land invasion. There is no ground troops required. We have enough air power to turn that nation into rubble.


  76. theoutsider
    76 | October 10, 2012 10:33 am

    @ Macker:
    You are unemployed right now. Pledge yourself them. Do you want to die fighting Iran?


  77. 77 | October 10, 2012 10:33 am

    @ darkwords:

    Hear! Hear!


  78. coldwarrior
    78 | October 10, 2012 10:33 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    We can bomb them over and over again. Don’t you think that after we kill thousands of their citizens, they’re going to retaliate? They’ll start with our soldiers in Afghanistan.

    if we would get rid of the RoE’s and let our soldiers fight and destroy things like they are trained and equipped to do and quit coddling the enemy then we would not have to worry about your scenario.

    but, because we are led by the spineless, our troops get to be put in harms way while our fp is handcuffed


  79. theoutsider
    79 | October 10, 2012 10:36 am

    @ Rodan:
    Are you fucking kidding me? If they are attacked, the region is going to explode.


  80. bluliner10
    80 | October 10, 2012 10:36 am

    @ theoutsider:
    Jackass, I have been a Marine for 30 years. I just got back from Afghanistan in January which is my 4th combat tour since 2005. I would gladly stay if we would take on Iran, they deserve all the bloodshed they can be dealt.


  81. coldwarrior
    81 | October 10, 2012 10:38 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Are you fucking kidding me? If they are attacked, the region is going to explode.

    if iran is attacked, the region will be pretty quiet.

    the saudis sure wont mind, nor will most of the iraqis. afghanistan will just sit there. the syrians are pre-occupied right now. the turks wont say a word

    how do you mean explode?


  82. coldwarrior
    82 | October 10, 2012 10:39 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Macker:
    You are unemployed right now. Pledge yourself them. Do you want to die fighting Iran?

    i love this argument.

    lets carry it to the final conclusion. only those who have served may make policy.

    fine by me. i am all for a praetorian system…a permanent warrior class. count me in.


  83. waldensianspirit
    83 | October 10, 2012 10:40 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    You want to go with Iran? Lose 100,000 of our guys for nothing? Are you going to enlist?

    Sesame Nation


  84. 84 | October 10, 2012 10:40 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Are you fucking kidding me? If they are attacked, the region is going to explode.

    Maybe you have not been paying attention but Iran is enemies with the Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaeda. Again, how will the region explode? Now if the consequences of weakening Iran would be to empower the MB block, then that is a different subject.


  85. 85 | October 10, 2012 10:41 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Are you kidding? The DEMOCRATS will go nuts! Harry Reid might do a suicide bomb in the Senate, or aother speech on Romney’s tax returns (same thing, really). That is what the Outsider really means. Just as we’d have3 won this war already without the Democrats actively taking the side of the enemy both in Iraq and Afghanistan. We have to defeat our domestic enemy or they will destroy us.


  86. 86 | October 10, 2012 10:41 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Iran is very unpopular right now with the Sunni countries. From the Muslim Brotherhood perspective, a weakened Iran is in their interest. So they would love us to tame the Persians, but not for the reasons we are doing it.


  87. darkwords
    87 | October 10, 2012 10:42 am

    @ 82 coldwarrior: I’d prefer that to the social justice society.


  88. bluliner10
    88 | October 10, 2012 10:43 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    Good plan, Praetorian Task Force aye!


  89. 89 | October 10, 2012 10:43 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    We have to defeat our domestic enemy or they will destroy us.

    I would add the Foreign policy establishment of the Republican Party to the enemies list as well. They have brainwashed GOP politicians into believing this Islamic democracy crap. Many in the GOP fp establishment have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and Saudi Arabia.


  90. 90 | October 10, 2012 10:44 am

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Good plan, Praetorian Task Force aye!

    This is what the Outsider wants. He wants a Military regime like Star-ship Troopers.


  91. coldwarrior
    91 | October 10, 2012 10:44 am

    i will admit, i do like that idea


  92. 92 | October 10, 2012 10:45 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Sorry. Bad back, legs, and feet.


  93. darkwords
    93 | October 10, 2012 10:45 am

    The biggest economic advance in OBamas admin was McDonald’s going for he $1 cup of coffee. But he boiled all that off by telling the staff you didn’t build that “Big Mac”. There is no pride in an obama world.


  94. 94 | October 10, 2012 10:46 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    i will admit, i do like that idea

    The Outsider wants a military regime.


  95. coldwarrior
    95 | October 10, 2012 10:46 am

    Rodan wrote:

    bluliner10 wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Good plan, Praetorian Task Force aye!

    This is what the Outsider wants. He wants a Military regime like Star-ship Troopers.

    nah, the civies can be in charge of everything else.

    the Praetorians get to handle ‘diplomacy by other means’ and foreign relations. btw, that also means that the president MUST come out of the Warrior Class / Praetorian system. He will have had to serve since he is the CinC.


  96. 96 | October 10, 2012 10:46 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Dying fighting them is damn sure better than dying kissing their infidel hating asses. Or dying from shame when they nuke Israel even after all those promises we made ourselves of Never Again……..


  97. coldwarrior
    97 | October 10, 2012 10:47 am

    Rodan wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    i will admit, i do like that idea

    The Outsider wants a military regime.

    a little junta never hurt anyone…

    :lol:


  98. 98 | October 10, 2012 10:48 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    He must be a closet fan of Pinochet!


  99. 99 | October 10, 2012 10:48 am

    @ waldensianspirit:

    And for the next debate, instead of a candidate slumped at the lectern like a muppet whose puppeteer has gone out for a smoke, maybe Elmo’s guy could shove his arm up the back of the presidential suit.

    !

    Gotta love Mark Steyn.


  100. theoutsider
    100 | October 10, 2012 10:49 am

    @ Rodan:
    Attacking Iran, will cause American deaths in Afghanistan,retaliation against Israel, possible civil war in Lebanon, Palestine, and maybe Jordan. We have already Civil war in Syria. Why do you want more wars in that region? 10 dollar a gallon gas?


  101. darkwords
    101 | October 10, 2012 10:49 am

    @ 90 Rodan: What is there bad about Doogie Howser telepathically killing insects? Or nude shower scenes with Dina Meyer


  102. 102 | October 10, 2012 10:52 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    possible civil war in Lebanon, Palestine

    There’s a downside to that? Where? If Hezbollah is tied down in Lebanon and the Palestinians are busy killing each other, the world can breathe a sigh of relief. At least those terrorists won’t be killing Westerners.


  103. theoutsider
    103 | October 10, 2012 10:52 am

    @ Rodan:
    @ Rodan:
    Fuck Pinochet, you are the guy that always defends him.


  104. theoutsider
    104 | October 10, 2012 10:54 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    They WILL be killing Westerners. We are over there, Iron Fist!


  105. darkwords
    105 | October 10, 2012 10:54 am

    @ theoutsider: Obama would prefer $10 a gallon gas. We can observe though that every POTUS has fought. Even if they came into the office anti war. I can only assume the “For your eyes only” intelligence is significantly spooky. We might do well to have a strong asymmetric warfare system. There are plenty of taliban that are killing little girls to justify sanctioning the perps.

    It might seem that you want to leave the war to your grandkids after you are long gone.


  106. 106 | October 10, 2012 10:55 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Attacking Iran, will cause American deaths in Afghanistan

    How?

    retaliation against Israel

    They can retaliate with Jericho Missiles and go after Hizb’Allah.

    possible civil war in Lebanon, Palestine, and maybe Jordan

    Lebanon is already on the verge of civil war between the Muslim Brotherhood/AQ vs. Hizballah. If Israel goes after the Hezzies, the MB/AQ will take advantage and go after them as well. Then they will probably tangle with Israel afterwards.

    As for civil war in Jordan and the Palestinians, please explain this? Both the government in Jordan and the MB opposition both hate Iran. As for the Palis, Hamas is no longer allied with Iran. They are part of the MB block.

    Why do you want more wars in that region? 10 dollar a gallon gas?

    If that is what forces us to developer own resources and look after ourselves, so be it. More war in the Mideast means more dead Jihadis. It is a long term win-win.


  107. waldensianspirit
    107 | October 10, 2012 10:56 am

    Yea worry about the will be; not are


  108. coldwarrior
    108 | October 10, 2012 10:56 am

    @ theoutsider:

    a secure straights of hormuz and a decapitated persian led and more stable and friendly iran makes higher gas prices how?

    these guys (iran) are blood enemies of the oil tics. decapitating iran makes the area less volitile.


  109. 109 | October 10, 2012 10:56 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    @ Rodan:
    Fuck Pinochet, you are the guy that always defends him.

    He was the greatest Latin leader of the 20th century. Stop hating!


  110. bluliner10
    110 | October 10, 2012 10:57 am

    @ theoutsider:
    Ummm, they are already killing westerners, have been for a long time. No offense it is time for payback. And if I were allowed to make ROE, it would be very bloody for Iran.


  111. 111 | October 10, 2012 10:58 am

    @ theoutsider:

    As I said, they are lalready killing our people in Afghanistan, and they were killing our people in Iraq. That is a pretty big deal to me. I’d have gone to war with Iran five years ago over their involvement with the terrorists in Iraq. But the DEMOCRATS wouldn’t have stood for it. Why do you want Iran to get an atomic bomb? You know they will use it once the get it. Israel, over here, once Iran gets a nuke, a nuclear war is inevitible. Better to get the war over now, before Iran gets nukes. Better for them, too. If Iran nukes us or Israel, we’ll exterminate the Persians.


  112. 112 | October 10, 2012 10:58 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    A Lebanon Civil war is al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood vs. Hizballah. Just like Syria, let them kill each other!


  113. coldwarrior
    113 | October 10, 2012 10:59 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    They WILL be killing Westerners. We are over there, Iron Fist!

    fear is no way to run foreign policy. everyone who is over there is aware of the risks and has volunteered at least once to be there. they are there of their own free will and i can assure you, they would just love to take the gloves off and fight.


  114. theoutsider
    114 | October 10, 2012 11:00 am

    @ darkwords:
    Romney is the only one that prefers $10 a gallon gas. He and his kids are going to make a fortune on it, and none of them will have to shed a drip of blood.


  115. 115 | October 10, 2012 11:02 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Little does theoutsider comprehend that the Mohammedans have been killing Westerners for over 200 years!


  116. 116 | October 10, 2012 11:03 am

    @ theoutsider:

    You are hallucinating. If Romney is elected, we’ll be able to drill over here again. What a novel idea! We’ll even do the Keystone XL Pipeline, and use Canada’s resources as well! Makes those sand miners in the desert ever so much less important.


  117. bluliner10
    117 | October 10, 2012 11:03 am

    Macker wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Little does theoutsider comprehend that the Mohammedans have been killing Westerners for over 2001400 years!

    FIFY


  118. coldwarrior
    118 | October 10, 2012 11:06 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    the coal stocks went up after the debate…he wins, the mines are back in business.


  119. darkwords
    119 | October 10, 2012 11:07 am

    @ 114 theoutsider: Obama prefers the high cost of gas because it forces people into wind and solar power. Solyndra.


  120. 120 | October 10, 2012 11:09 am

    Something to chew on while contemplating $10 a gallon gasoline:

    thought of my fellow Californian Energy Secretary Steven Chu last week, when I paid $4.89 a gallon in Gilroy for regular gas — and had to wait in line to get it. The customers were in near revolt, but I wondered against what and whom. I mentioned to one exasperated motorist that there are estimated to be over 20 billion barrels of oil a few miles away, in newly found reserves off the California coast. He thought I was from Mars.

    California may face the nation’s largest budget deficit at $16 billion. It may struggle with the nation’s second-highest unemployment rate at 10.6 percent. It will soon vote whether to levy the nation’s highest income and sales taxes, as if to encourage others to join the 2,000-plus high earners who are leaving the state each week. The new taxes will be our way of saying, “Good riddance.” And if California is home to one-third of the nation’s welfare recipients and the largest number of illegal aliens, it is nonetheless apparently happy and thus solidly for Obama, by a +24 percent margin in the latest Field poll.

    Obama will destroy this nation if he is given another four years. That it is even close is a frightening indictment of our Democracy.


  121. citizen_q
    121 | October 10, 2012 11:11 am

    Doesn’t obama want $10 a gallon gas and sky high electricity, so that he can enrich and empower his supporters as part of his green energy con?

    Don’t normally feed the troll, but expensive energy is the policy of our obama administration. If they can’t do in front door through the legislative process, Cap and Trade, they do it via bureaucratic regulation, EPA.

    Not much of an argument, a feared possible consequence is already policy, for finally standing up to a long time enemy.

    Don’t normally feed troll, but while others have been making excellent points I did not see this one.


  122. coldwarrior
    122 | October 10, 2012 11:11 am

    bluliner10 wrote:

    Macker wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Little does theoutsider comprehend that the Mohammedans have been killing Westerners for over 2001400 years!
    FIFY

    nothing new under the sun…


  123. 123 | October 10, 2012 11:13 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Yep! Jobs, jobs, jobs! Obama is against all that.


  124. 124 | October 10, 2012 11:14 am

    Raddatz needs to be removed as the VP debate moderator.

    Obama attended VP debate moderator’s wedding


  125. coldwarrior
    125 | October 10, 2012 11:15 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Yep! Jobs, jobs, jobs! Obama is against all that.

    in north america it seems like recently we are finding energy everywhere we look, off of CA, utica and marcellus shale, the dakotas, western canada…that’s a good chunk of north america right there.

    the only reason for high energy prices is:

    citizen_q wrote:

    Doesn’t obama want $10 a gallon gas and sky high electricity, so that he can enrich and empower his supporters as part of his green energy con?
    Don’t normally feed the troll, but expensive energy is the policy of our obama administration. If they can’t do in front door through the legislative process, Cap and Trade, they do it via bureaucratic regulation, EPA.
    Not much of an argument, a feared possible consequence is already policy, for finally standing up to a long time enemy.
    Don’t normally feed troll, but while others have been making excellent points I did not see this one.


  126. coldwarrior
    126 | October 10, 2012 11:15 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Raddatz needs to be removed as the VP debate moderator.
    Obama attended VP debate moderator’s wedding

    that’s just perfect.


  127. 127 | October 10, 2012 11:17 am

    This is awesome!

    Civil war leaves Syrian economy, cities in ruins


  128. 128 | October 10, 2012 11:24 am

    @ theoutsider:

    No, that was Obama.

    And Obama’s energy department…

    Chu, September 2008: Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.


  129. citizen_q
    129 | October 10, 2012 11:25 am

    Rodan wrote:

    This is awesome!
    Civil war leaves Syrian economy, cities in ruins

    Although there are some pockets of Syria that have been relatively shielded from the conflict, the destruction in most of the country’s major cities is staggering. Experts warn that whenever the civil war ends, it will take a monumental international effort, and perhaps a generation of Syrians, to rebuild what has been broken.

    Rebuilding if and when it occurs should be completely funded from muslim charities, which all muslims are required to contribute to. Be less money for dawa and jihad.


  130. coldwarrior
    130 | October 10, 2012 11:25 am

    Rodan wrote:

    This is awesome!
    Civil war leaves Syrian economy, cities in ruins

    odd they dont mention that assad is fighting foreign terrorists.


  131. 131 | October 10, 2012 11:30 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Doesn’t fit the narrative…


  132. bluliner10
    132 | October 10, 2012 11:33 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Doesn’t fit the narrative…

    The narrative has been the sudden groundswell of Jeffersonian democracy…oh wait…the MOB Rules…


  133. coldwarrior
    133 | October 10, 2012 11:38 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Doesn’t fit the narrative…

    seriously…

    British police have searched two east London properties as part of the investigation into the activities of a man and a woman arrested on suspicion of supporting terrorism offences in Syria.

    Police took the pair, both aged 26, into custody late on Tuesday, after they flew into Heathrow Airport from Egypt. Police provided few details.

    Most of those fighting the regime of President Bashar al-Assad are believed to be ordinary Syrians and soldiers who have defected, having become fed up with the authoritarian government, analysts say. But increasingly, foreign fighters and those adhering to an extremist Islamist ideology are turning up on the front lines.

    The rebels are trying to play down their influence for fear of alienating Western support, but as the civil war grinds on, the influence of these extremists is set to grow.
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    The Syrian government has always blamed the uprising on foreign terrorists, despite months of peaceful protests by ordinary citizens that only turned violent after repeated attacks by security forces. The transformation of the conflict into an open war has given an opening to the foreign fighters and extremists.


  134. coldwarrior
    134 | October 10, 2012 11:39 am

    bluliner10 wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Doesn’t fit the narrative…
    The narrative has been the sudden groundswell of Jeffersonian democracy…oh wait…the MOB Rules…

    i do not believe that islam and ‘democracy’ are compatible


  135. Speranza
    135 | October 10, 2012 11:39 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Attacking Iran, will cause American deaths in Afghanistan,retaliation against Israel, possible civil war in Lebanon, Palestine, and maybe Jordan. We have already Civil war in Syria. Why do you want more wars in that region? 10 dollar a gallon gas?

    Where exactly is “Palestine?”


  136. waldensianspirit
    136 | October 10, 2012 11:40 am

    Solyndra! Solyndra! Solyndra! Solyndra! Solyndra!

    I was invited to work there. Didn’t do it. Because I knew


  137. Speranza
    137 | October 10, 2012 11:41 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    He could have hired a couple doves,

    Like Susan Rice that idiot.


  138. 138 | October 10, 2012 11:42 am

    @ Speranza:

    Because that’s working out so well for the Obama Administration…

    [/Libya]


  139. 139 | October 10, 2012 11:45 am

    Sorry Sesame Workshop…but in Обама’s refusal to take down the ad, you’ve just been nationalized!


  140. bluliner10
    140 | October 10, 2012 11:47 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    bluliner10 wrote:
    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Doesn’t fit the narrative…
    The narrative has been the sudden groundswell of Jeffersonian democracy…oh wait…the MOB Rules…
    i do not believe that islam and ‘democracy’ are compatible

    islam is the grandfather of modern totalitarianism. Its tenets are found in the works of Marx, Hitler and Mao. Not to mention the whole social justice movement. All of it is garbage.


  141. Speranza
    141 | October 10, 2012 11:48 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Because that’s working out so well for the Obama Administration…
    [/Libya]

    Don’t forget Samantha Power and Chas Freeman and all the other anti-American idiots.


  142. 142 | October 10, 2012 11:53 am

    @ Speranza:

    The only thing that really worries me about a Romney Administration is if he’s going to re-tread any of the Obama people. It is customary to do so, but I think custom should be ignored in this instance. Everyone in the Obama Administration is worthless at best. Most of them are quite malevolent in their own right. I wouldn’t trust any of them as far as I could backpack a Ford Explorer…


  143. Speranza
    143 | October 10, 2012 11:53 am

    Rodan wrote:

    This is awesome!
    Civil war leaves Syrian economy, cities in ruins

    Bwaaaaa


  144. Speranza
    144 | October 10, 2012 11:54 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    The only thing that really worries me about a Romney Administration is if he’s going to re-tread any of the Obama people. It is customary to do so, but I think custom should be ignored in this instance. Everyone in the Obama Administration is worthless at best. Most of them are quite malevolent in their own right. I wouldn’t trust any of them as far as I could backpack a Ford Explorer…

    I don’t think he will. Obama’s people are to the left of Brezhnev.


  145. 145 | October 10, 2012 11:56 am

    I need a new President. Wow.


  146. waldensianspirit
    146 | October 10, 2012 11:56 am

    http://globalr2p.org/whoweare/donors.php

    Connection 3


  147. 147 | October 10, 2012 12:01 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    For some reason she reminds me of Janet Reno….


  148. 148 | October 11, 2012 1:14 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    You should always be buying ammo, regardless of portents.
    If only LuckyGunner would fix the mess with my most recent order…

    Yup.

    And using some of it at the range, on a regular basis.

    Macker wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    For some reason she reminds me of Janet Reno….

    Yup.

    Speranza wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    The only thing that really worries me about a Romney Administration is if he’s going to re-tread any of the Obama people. It is customary to do so, but I think custom should be ignored in this instance. Everyone in the Obama Administration is worthless at best. Most of them are quite malevolent in their own right. I wouldn’t trust any of them as far as I could backpack a Ford Explorer…

    I don’t think he will. Obama’s people are to the left of Brezhnev.

    Hell, they’re to the left of Pol Pot.

    citizen_q wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    This is awesome!
    Civil war leaves Syrian economy, cities in ruins

    Although there are some pockets of Syria that have been relatively shielded from the conflict, the destruction in most of the country’s major cities is staggering. Experts warn that whenever the civil war ends, it will take a monumental international effort, and perhaps a generation of Syrians, to rebuild what has been broken.
    Rebuilding if and when it occurs should be completely funded from muslim charities, which all muslims are required to contribute to. Be less money for dawa and jihad.

    Some things should never be rebuilt.

    Such as Muslim countries.

    That’s why there’s a “dustbin of history.”


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