I disagree with Dr. K. that Obama won the debate on points. The fact that Romney was still standing and remained credible and Obama was not able (even with the tacit support of Momma Cass aka Candy Crowley) to deliver a knock out was a victory for our side. I have always maintained that if Romney could come across as a competent, intelligent, and reasonable man i.e. as a legitimate presidential candidate, the nation would fire Barack Obama.
by Charles Krauthammer
“And the suggestion that anybody in my team, whether the secretary of state, our U.N. ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we’ve lost four of our own, governor, is offensive.”
— Barack Obama,
second debate, Oct. 16Fight night at Hofstra. The two boxers, confined within a ring of spectators — circling, feinting, taunting, staring each other down — come several times, by my reckoning, no more than one provocation away from actual fisticuffs, of the kind that on occasion so delightfully break out in the Taiwanese parliament. Think of it: the Secret Service storming the ring, pinning Mitt Romney to the canvas as Candy Crowley administers the 10 count.
The actual outcome was somewhat more pedestrian. President Obama gained a narrow victory on points, as borne out by several flash polls. The margin was small, paling in comparison to Romney’s 52-point victory in the first debate.
At Hofstra, Obama emerged from his previous coma to score enough jabs to outweigh Romney’s haymaker, his dazzling takedown of the Obama record when answering a disappointed 2008 Obama voter.
That one answer might account for the fact that, in two early flash polls, Romney beat Obama on the economy by 18 points in one poll, 31 in the other. That being the overriding issue, the debate is likely to have minimal effect on the dynamics of the race.
[............]
The rub for Obama comes, ironically enough, out of Romney’s biggest flub in the debate, the Libya question. That flub kept Romney from winning the evening outright. But Obama’s answer has left him a hostage to fortune. Missed by Romney, missed by the audience, missed by most of the commentariat, it was the biggest gaffe of the entire debate cycle: Substituting unctuousness for argument, Obama declared himself offended by the suggestion that anyone in his administration, including the U.N. ambassador, would “mislead” the country on Libya.
This bluster — unchallenged by Romney — helped Obama slither out of the Libya question unscathed. Unfortunately for Obama, there is one more debate — next week, entirely on foreign policy. The burning issue will be Libya and the scandalous parade of fictions told by this administration to explain away the debacle.
No one misled? His U.N. ambassador went on not one but five morning shows to spin a confection that the sacking of the consulate and the murder of four Americans came from a video-motivated demonstration turned ugly: “People gathered outside the embassy and then it grew very violent and those with extremist ties joined the fray and came with heavy weapons.”
[.......]
The video? A complete irrelevance. It was a coordinated, sophisticated terror attack, encouraged, if anything, by Osama bin Laden’s successor, giving orders from Pakistan to avenge the death of a Libyan jihadist.
Not wishing to admit that we had just been attacked by al-Qaeda affiliates, perhaps answering to the successor of a man on whose grave Obama and the Democrats have been dancing for months, the administration relentlessly advanced the mob/video tale to distract from the truth.
And it wasn’t just his minions who misled the nation. A week after the attack, the president himself, asked by David Letterman about the ambassador’s murder, said it started with a video. False again.
Romney will be ready Monday.
You are offended by this accusation, Mr. President? The country is offended that your press secretary, your U.N. ambassador and you yourself have repeatedly misled the nation about the origin and nature of the Benghazi attack.
The problem wasn’t the video, the problem was policies for which you say you now accept responsibility. Then accept it, Mr. President. You were asked in the last debate why more security was denied our people in Libya despite the fact that they begged for it. You never answered that question, Mr. President. Or will you blame your secretary of state?
Esprit d’escalier (“wit of the staircase”) is the French term for the devastating riposte that one should have given at dinner but comes up with only on the way out at the bottom of the staircase. It’s Romney’s fortune that he’s invited to one more dinner. If he gets it right this time, Obama’s narrow victory in debate No. 2, salvaged by the mock umbrage that anyone could accuse him of misleading, will cost him dearly.
It was a huge gaffe. It is indelibly on the record. It will prove a very expensive expedient.
Read the rest - The great gaffe
Tags: Charles Krauthammer
Two morning threads? Deathmatch!
Obama went to the UN what, two weeks after the Libya attack, and peddled the fiction that an internet video was behind the attack. Worse, he used it to pander to the Islamists and denigrate American freedom of expression. Piss on a Crucifix and the State will pay you money. Denigrate the Prophet Mohammed, and the State will arrest and question you. What message does that send to terrorists?
Obama created the Libya mess by overthrowing Qaddafi.
Iron Fist wrote:
Obama: “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam”
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/25/obama-the-future-must-not-belong-to-those-who-slander-the-prophet-of-islam/
Oh, yours was a rhetorical question?
My bad.
@ Daffy Duck:
I didn’t have a link to the quote, but Obama made it pretty clear where he stands on freedom of expression in America, didn’t he? It is really scary how much this guy is in the bag for the Islamists. He doesn’t even hide it. Well, hopefully we’ll take care of that in less than three weeks.
@ Iron Fist:
Obama said he will stand with the Muslims.
Dam
Ms tfk is down running the phone bank calling voters to get out and vote.
Someone just called and Big Tex at the State Fairo of
Texas over in Dallas had an electric caused fire and burned to the ground this morning.
Rebuild.
@ Iron Fist:
So instead of calling him a Filthy Communist Bastard, I can instead call him a Filthy Mohammedan Bastard. Got it!
Momma Cass aka Candy Crowley
DAMMIT!! I KNEW Candy Ass reminded me of somebody and I could never quite put my finger on it
@ Iron Fist:
Yeah, I read that UN speech as lip-service to US Constitution / Bill of Right re: First Amendment, but that his real love was the Prophet PBUH.
And, my confidence of victory Nov. 6th increases every day. When traditional leftist newspapers begin endorsing the Republican candidate, that can’t be good for Bambi’s chances.
@ Macker:
As I’ve said before, I don’t think Obama is a Muslim. I think he is an atheist who has a great fondness for Islam. That is a distinction. He doesn’t believe in any god other than himself, but he is predisposed to take the Mohammedans side in any disputes that arise. Little things like films about Mohammed or killing American ambassadors. Things that aren’t “optimal”, as Obama says.
@ eaglesoars:
I try not to imagine Candy singing “Dream A Little Dream Of Me”….
@ Iron Fist:
At least we can agree to disagree on that particular issue. 8)
taxfreekiller wrote:
Yep. Big Texas is no more. Burnt smooth to the ground.
@ Daffy Duck:
Did you see yesterday where the Nashville Tennessean endosed Romney? That is big news. They are a Leftist paper, really, catering to the government in Nashville (though we now have a Republican government in Nashville). That they endorsed Romney is big news. I don’t knoww how much weight newspaper endorsements carry any more, though. Who reads dead-tree newspapers?
Damn, no Big Tex! But KSM, Zawahiri and Castro continue to draw breath…life is not fair.
What do weeping liberals say now that Barry is going down faster than an intern in the Clinton WH?
@ Urban Infidel:
I hope the all have a good reason to drink in less than three weeks. On the previous thread we were (among other things) discussing the validity of the Gallup poll that shows Romney at 52 Obama 45. Per the discussion, the numbers look real. Anything can happen in three weeks, but barring a miricle it looks like the Obama Error may be coming to an end. It can’t happen soon enough for me.
@ Iron Fist:
Yes, that was one I saw here as endorsing Romney, the others being the Orlando paper (Sentinal?) and some New York (NEW YORK???) paper.
I agree that dead-tree readership is down, but all these papers have websites. I don’t know if I’m a “typical” voter, but I will be checking to see who Detroit News and Free Press endorse, even though I never read the actual paper…just sayin’
Rodan wrote:
I am sure Romney will also stand with the Muslims.
I do not see what is bad about tolerate people with other religion.
Daffy Duck wrote:
It was The New York Observer. An old school NY liberal rag.
@ Urban Infidel:
Thanks! See, I’m not crazy…
ferb123 wrote:
No one put tolerance in question but his stand with the Muslims against free speech.
ferb123 wrote:
Yes, it’s always good to tolerate people who are trying to kill you because of your religion… You fuckin imbecile…
@ Iron Fist:
I’m not a big time drinker, but I plan on lining up a few on election night. It’s so tense, the country is wound up tighter than Barney Frank’s wedding band.
Urban Infidel wrote:
I was down in DUMBO the other day, and picked up a freebie magazine: Wedding Pride. An entire slick-mag giveaway to discuss same-sex nuptials, chock-full of ads for photogs and caterers and the like, and with Modern Bride-type articles about how to handle the preparations.
doriangrey wrote:
hmmm, but not all muslims are terrorists and not all terrorists are muslims.
@ Urban Infidel:
I don’t drink anymore, so election night I’ll be very pensive. I expect to be up all night. I’ve already signed up for PTO the next day. This is such a momentous election. If we lose here, we have probably lost the country for good. Four more years of Obama means at least another $5 trillion in debt. That’ll put our national debt at over $21 trillion. I don’t think we can come back from those numbers.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I didn’t read the articles but I saw at least 2 headlines in 2 different papers this morning that said people identifying as LGBT are only 3.4% of the U.S. population.
@ Urban Infidel:
I hope to start celebrating my 52nd birthday, which is the day after the Election, the night before…like around 9:00 PM Eastern Time!
eaglesoars wrote:
Which shows you how very effective the communist-founded gay-rights lobby has been at wagging the dog of society.
@ ferb123:
When was the last time you saw a Paleostinian kids’ TV show?
Iron Fist wrote:
Remember that nite we got absolutely shit-faced at that party? That’ll be me Nov 6 regardless of the results.
@ ferb123:
No but nearly all Muslims support terrorism. Look at their response to he Mohammed cartoons in 2005. Riots and murders and the Muslims squawked how they all felt that it was justified. You don’t see much dissent from th eMuslim community on that kind of thing. Part of that is because the Muslims will killdissenters, but that kinnd of proves my point. Islam is a violent religion/political ideology. It always has been. It always will be. Freedom is anathema to Islam, and Islam is anathema to freedom. We see very well which side of that divide Obama comes down on.
Yesterday an obama flack on Megyn Kelly’s show screamed out that UN ambassador Susan Rice did not clam that the attacks were the result of the video. Even after Megyn played the clip of Rice lying he shouted that she never said what she said.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Yeppers. I’m waiting for Ion Pacepa’s new book “Deception”
@ eaglesoars:
Good times! I still don’t remember how I got back to the hotel. But, like I said, I don’t drink anymore. Wah. So I’ll be climbing the walls election night.
ferb123 wrote:
You mean this kind of tolerance ?
Egyptian blogger Alber Saber’s arrest underlines differences on freedom of speech
Question: how do you define free speech ?
Guggi wrote:
As far as I know Hillary said she finds this makefunofmuslims-video is disgusting but not forbidden in the US.
Romney said the same, disrespectful but not forbidden.
@ eaglesoars:
Gallup did that poll, too. You have to wonder if Gallup sees a shift coming and is trying to get ahead of it. At the end of the day they are a commercial enterprise, after all.
Iron Fist wrote:
It involved driving over a mailbox.
@ eaglesoars:
The gay-rights movement is designed to do two things: destroy First Amendment free speech and First Amendment freedom of religion. It has been terrifyingly successful at both.
Its collateral objective is to destroy the concept of objective truth; the movement’s support for “transgenderism,” which is a concept antithetical to “gay and proud,” is primarily to use “transgenders” as a back door to achieving same-sex marriage—but if you can persuade the society that “personal feelings” trump physical body configuration and DNA, the concept of objective truth is dead.
ferb123 wrote:
The collective deafening silence coming from U.S. mosques after bin Laden’s killing should tell you everything.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Yeah, I’ve alway swondered how that worked. If I insisted that I was really a tall, thin black man, they would lock me up as delusional. But if I insisted that I was really a girl, they’d use the best of medical surgery to
maimcorrect my physiology to meet my delusion. It is, at the root of it, insane.Former SEAL Team 6 commander supports Romney.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I think that started really in France w/the foucault/diderot crowd. They just used literture/philosophy. They destroyed the study of philosophy as far as I’m concerned.
Daffy Duck wrote:
Wow! Just wow
There is a reason Obama shuts down access to resources for Christians and Jews. He believes the world’s resources belong to muslims
The Hill isn’t bullish on Obama:
But the Outsider and ferb believe in fairies! They believe!
@ ferb123:
We are not speaking about Clinton or Romney but about Obama and hist understanding of free speech. What I wanted to kn ow from you: how do you define free spreech.
Btw.: tolerance is not a one way street.
Iron Fist wrote:
I use the example of believing that you’re Napoleon when you are not, in fact, Napoleon—no matter how good your French or how well you dress the part.
Transgenderism, though it negates the whole concept of “gay”—what could be less “gay” than undergoing a course of self-mutilation to make a same-sex attraction socially and personally palatable?—is pushed by the gay-rights lobby because:
1) It provides an outer border of weirdness that makes people running around in leather harnesses look almost normal;
2) Every time someone undergoes postmodern flesh sculpture to become “transgendered,” whether he/she/whatever tries to stay “married” to a now-same-sex parter, wants to marry a putatively opposite-sex partner, or demands a new identification and a retroactively-altered birth certificate, another step has been taken towards muddying the “gender” waters and creating same-sex marriage as a fact even if it is not legal in a particular jurisdiction;
3) In addition to “feelings” trumping body configuration and DNA, the retroactive alteration of birth certificates and drivers’ licenses, etc., drives another nail into the coffin of objective facts and accurate records.
@ eaglesoars:
You know, I almost got a degreein philosophy from FSU, and I never read either of those. That was in the late ’80s. I guess just missed it. True, I focused on Political Philosophy, but there we looked at Communism mostly. We never had anything on Movement COnservatism, and that was at the height of the Reagan Administration. Universities Create their own reality, but that reality doesn’t survive contact with the real world. Hence the Higher Education bubble that Instapundit is always talking about.
So, ms tfk is the smart one.
She put one of our old wood chairs out by the Romney/Ryan sign, then in the chair she put another sign,,,”Just Vote No To This Chair”.
Not the local Republican Headqts are all going to do that also.
eaglesoars wrote:
Iron Fist wrote:
You didn’t miss anything. They’re both big-word-bullshitters. Hell, I majored in the ’70s and completely missed Habermas. Yank in the EU had to fill me in.
@ Iron Fist:
islam is a political and military doctrine.
Guggi wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech
XDDDDDD
ehm, whats Obama understanding of free speech?
Any link?
@ Guggi:
Hit him again! He deserves it. How, indeed, does Obama define free speech? He hasn’t inveighed against the Piss Christ or the blatant anti-Semitism that comes from the Islamic world. He has only taken a stand against things that insult Islam’s Prophet. He is very selective about where he’d restrict free speech. And yes, when you go to the UN and accuse someone of having fomented the “anger” that lead to an attack that killed Americans, you are trying to quash their speech. Obama can’t send stormtroopers to arrest the guy who made this video, can he?
ferb123
“What Winston Churchill Said.”
It ain’t “the prophet of Islam”; it’s the throw-fit of Islam.
ferb123 wrote:
“Everything should be free. I’ll make a speech.”
@ Rodan:
Check it out: Via Rasmussen Florida: Romney 51%, Obama 46%
Fist Obama misleds himself and that poor trail marking leds to the rest of the misdirection.
@ ferb123:
Hey, ferb, did you read the article in The Hill that I linked? Pretty slick, huh?
Obama understanding of free speech?
Well he would ban things like http://www.wattsupwiththat.com
or http://www.sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com
When all you have is lies and fraud you can not allow the truth and free speech to have even a toe hold.
LBJ
Jimmy Carter
Bill Clinton
Al Gore
John Kerry
B. Obama
Most common to all of them.
Lies.
@ ferb123:
Islam is a garbage religion.
ferb123 wrote:
You’ve nothing to rpovide than a wiki-article about free speech ? You don’t think for yourself ?
The discussion started about what O. thinks about free speech:
“The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam”
This is his understanding of free speech. Slander Christians with pissing on their holiest signs but never ever say a word against Islam. He poses to be a “constitutional scholar” but he is a disgrace to his guild.
taxfreekiller wrote:
Ferb123 is Gumbyand Pokey from Hot Air.
@ taxfreekiller:
I would add The Bush clan to that list.
What is hot air?@ Rodan:
If you are free in your speech and he doesn’t like it, he wants your future curtailed.
@ taxfreekiller:
The blog Hot Air.
@ Rodan:
The Bush family for all their faults do not hate the constitution and the U.S.,
sorry to say the same can not be said for these hate American commie thug Democrats who enable the destruction of U.S. and lust for more trouble for all of U.S..
Is Hot Air a big blog?
@ Rodan:
Sooooooooooo, did we ever get the necessary congressional approval to stay in Libya after the initial 60 day term that didn’t require it?????????????
Mormon church:”our system of Church government, evil speaking and criticism of leaders by members is always negative. Whether the criticism is true or not”
Are you sure Romney has a different position as Obama concerning freedom of speech?
XDDDD
@ waldensianspirit:
Ding!
@ Rodan:
Did you see my #62 above?
Rodan wrote:
yer bein’ played with, Rodan
@ taxfreekiller:
I will give you that point. But they have enabled the Saudi and Muslim Brotherhood infiltration of American politics. John McCain is another scumbag as well.
nerd321,
That is for members only, you would never make the grade to be a Mormon anyway so stuff it.@ ferb123:
@ ferb123:
First, you have to provide a link or other source that will prove your alleged Mormon church quote is accurate—and is church policy. I don’t think you can.
Then, you have to recognize that Romney is not running for head of the Mormon church.
@ ferb123:
Has Romney gone to th eUN and called for the imposition of Mormon speech codes on the United States (and presumably the world)? You are pretty weak, as trolls go. I’ll repeat: have you read the link to the Hill that I provided. Another quote:
Pretty slick, huh?
Rodan wrote:
Nope, I am not GumbyandPokey from Hot Air.
(I have to insist on that because I do not want you bully this guy for what he is not responsible )
No, I am not way into blogs, I do have vietnam vet buddies who do a lot of talk on the net regarding our work down on the Mexican border, some of them may post on it , I’ll check it out later.@ waldensianspirit:
huckfunn wrote:
Yes sir! That confirms what other polls and what I have been seeing. Florida is a wrap. I have not seen an Obama d here in 4 days.
ferb123 wrote:
What is your first language? It’s clearly not English.
Odd little yellow dick.
@ ferb123:
You are not fooling any of us here.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
http://www.i4m.com/think/leaders/mormon_loyalty.htm
@ waldensianspirit:
I just realized that!
@ taxfreekiller:
Ah, I guessed wrong, tfk. hotair.com. Started and sold by Michelle Malkin
Oh, now I remember after that good looking babe sold it I never went back.@ waldensianspirit:
@ taxfreekiller:
I KNOW who you are over there!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
german
@ taxfreekiller:
Iron Fist wrote:
Exactly. He is an Islamophile.
@ ferb123:
I am Dutch!
/////
@ Speranza:
He views Islam as a 3rd World movement.
Rodan wrote:
jetzt wirklich? Hallo Nachbar.
XDDDDDDDD
@ Speranza:
You gotta a some of comments to go through to catch up:-)
@ ferb123:
You seem to have misread your own source, which has the following statements:
These two statements clearly express what you do not understand, which is that the Mormon Church apparently, and quite correctly, differentiates between how the church governs itself and how people are expected to behave in the public sphere.
I am Neanderthal!
@ ferb123:
I’m not Dutch, I am messing with you.
Rodan wrote:
Add McCain to that list.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Funny how people who defend Islam trash Mormonism?
I’m an Aggie American
waldensianspirit wrote:
I was at lunch.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Is that even possible for transsexuals?
Rodan wrote:
The Book of Mormon is a Broadway musical. Can’t wait to see The Holy Koran: The Musical on Broadway.
@ Speranza:
McCain is an open supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood. So is his Girlfriend from South Carolina.
fraud123,
I am from Iraq, speak farsie and am transgender and lucky to be alive.
@ Speranza:
Bloomberg would condemn it!
@ Urban Infidel:
It is indeed. Scary, isn’t it? It is the enabling of a delusion, really. And the Left is all for it. Of course, Leftism is based on delusions, after all. And myth. There is nothing substantive about Leftist thought, to the degree that they do think.
ferb123 wrote:
Why do you only provide me a cherry picked quote instead of the link and the whole article ?
Aren’t ad hominem attacks the most and best used weapons of the left ?
Rodan wrote:
He would seek to have it shut down.
There is but one Fraud, praise Allah!
Urban Infidel wrote:
I’ve read of several cases recently where transsexuals have sued to have their birth certificates retroactively altered. I don’t know the success rate of such suits. I’m sure that driver’s licenses have been altered for them.
Rodan wrote:
Have you noticed that McCain no longer comes on Sean Hannity’s show after their confrontation over Libya? As for Miss Lindsey I hope he gets primaried.
I Am Fraud Therefore The One Allah.
Iron Fist wrote:
Transsexualism is another form of junk science.
taxfreekiller wrote:
Who is your prophet?
@ Speranza:
Hannity exposed his Pro Muslim Brotherhood garbage.
Speranza wrote:
I can see the chorus line now:
Gimme crap Koran, I don’t care
Gimme crap Koran, I don’t care
Gimme crap Koran, I don’t care
How many folks I blow away!
Hey,
fraud123
Got your account still at lgf’s blog?
@ Speranza:
Bloomberg would protest in the front. I sometimes think he’s a secret Muslim.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
To amend my post to UI, I’ve read that they do it in Canada. I don’t know about the United States, but I’d say it varies state to state. I’d be surprised if states like California and Massachuttes don’t retroactively change transsexual’s birth certificates. The only way you’d be able to know their true sex then would be a DNA assay. Can’t change their DNA.
@ Guggi:
Ahhh, the old Catch 22. The left will provide a cherry picked statement to conduct their criticism…but if the right does it…the same courtesy is not extended.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
hmm ok, originally I had this statement from http://www.mormongags.com/content/freedom-speech
Since this webpage looks a little bit cheap I googled the other link.
You guys really have no sense of humour. XDDDDD
Speranza wrote:
It looks like that is in the works. We’ll see how it goes. Corker had a number of primary challengers this time (most of whom were Ron Paul nuts), but nothing that we could really get behind. I voted for one particular black lady, mostly to send a message to Corker that I was dissatisfied with his representation. I’ll still vote for him over the Democrat, though. Voting for the Democrat simply isn’t an option in this election, even though the Democrat is so conservative that the DNC won’t support him.
Oh, man……….
‘My son is not very optimal -- he is very dead’: Mother of diplomat killed in Benghazi attack slams Obama’s comment on raid
@ ferb123:
Why do you attack Mormonism but defend Islam?
@ ferb123:
You don’t really understand the concept of “fact” too well, do you?
So—since German is your first language, are you of Turkish (or other Muslim) descent?
@ eaglesoars:
I saw that. I wonder if the MFM (and I include Fox in that) will give it any mention? It seems newsworthy to me.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Matchmaker matchmaker bring me a goat!
@ Rodan:
No, Bloomberg is no doubt an atheist, but like Obama he has an unhealthy regard for Islam.
Look out gang.
Since “Big Bird” and “binders full of women” doesn’t seem to be sticking for the left, Obama is trotting out a new “zinger:”
“Romnesia”
LOLOLOL
/ Found at HuffPo, so will spare you the linkage.
Daffy Duck wrote:
I’d rather live in Romnesia than continue along Obama’s Zimbab Way.
@ eaglesoars:
I’m glad she spoke out.
Daffy Duck wrote:
Three rings to rule them all
Three rings to bind them
Three rings to hire women—
How else you gonna find them?
Iron Fist wrote:
Funny how that works?
@ bluliner10:
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope you did not think it is funny about me being transgender and that I am from Iraq.@ ferb123:
@ Daffy Duck:
Desperate, and you can see why. It is really looking darfk for Team Obama. He might win, still. Then again, I might be appointed Lord High Executioner of the Known Universe. It could happen!
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Ha! Tha was awesome.
I left Iraq because I can not have children to sell to a mulla or have two or three wifes to cook and clean for no pay.
Here I can hire illegal immigrants even cheaper.
Given Mohammed’s known marital proclivities, I anticipate that Honey Boo Boo will be the first centerfold in Playboy—the Sharia Edition™.
Heh:
$13 million is over a third behind. Who do they think they are, the Federal Government? That money has to come from somewhere. Hopefully the Obama Campaign.
Mulla, Mulla, Mulla
Cash,,,Cash,, Cash,,,
choices
Rodan wrote:
Other users here attack Obama on restricting freedom of speech because of this Islam stuff.
That sounds very ridiculous to me, so I posted this mormongag to stimulate the discussion.
hmmm, a little bit cheap, I know. Sorry
@ ferb123:
Yeah right.
Cheap is another word for on the dole.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Nope XDDDDDD
@ ferb123:
ferb123 wrote:
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hmm ok, originally I had this statement from http://www.mormongags.com/content/freedom-speech
Since this webpage looks a little bit cheap I googled the other link.
You guys really have no sense of humour. XDDDDD
They humored you didn’t they? Also, I am amazed at how much your English has improved — and so quickly! Kudos on all of your hard work!
littlebittydafeyduckdick
@ taxfreekiller:
Say what?
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Actually I am catholic. But I consider me not to be a religous person. But thats another story …
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Yowza! Gross, but accurate.
You guys are gonna love this video.
@ ferb123:
So you are not a Catholic since you don’t believe in the faith.
@ Rodan:
Like I said earlier, he’s not a very good troll. He’s still ducking the question about the article in the Hill that I linked above.
Iron Fist wrote:
They must have Teacher’s Union instructors at Troll Community College.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Sung to “Brand New Key”….
This is too kook for skool. Remember that TV show “Ive Got a Secret”?
(yes, I am older than dirt)
The man with the secret is this episode (1956) is the last person alive to have seen John Wilkes Booth shoot Lincoln
linky
Exhibit #9,453,231 for why you shouldn’t post stupid crap online:
The article at the link has a whole slew of this idiot twit’s idiotic tweets.
If this is an example of Obama’s support, I think we’re in good shape.
@ lobo91:
Yes, that poor young lady is not optimal. How dare the evil rethuglicans look into her publically broadcast personal views!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I have a girlfriend in Wales who is gonna choke………..
What a shock (NOT):
eaglesoars wrote:
Amazing that someone who saw the shooting of Lincoln—even as a small child—was alive in the mid-’50s.
As Faulkner said, “The past is not dead. It is not even past.”
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Faulkner I actually like. For some reason Hemingway and Fitzgerald….not so much
fraud123 is the one intened by the barb
correction
littlebittydaffyduckyellowdickshowing@ Daffy Duck:
@ lobo91:
And I’ll bet she’s into non-missionary intercourse too like Sandra Fluke!
James Rosen just covered docs from Chris Stevens to State BEGGING for more security FOR 44 DAYS BEFORE HIS MURDER
Fox is KILLING -- Dana Perino: “I’M STUNNED”
Yet O blamed it on an obscure film makder and perp-walked him for a parole violation in the middle of the night -- and he still sits in jail.
ferb123 wrote:
Du bist Deutscher ? Was soll der interne Mormomenquatsch ? Soll das witzig sein ? Witz komm heraus, du bist umzingelt, oder wie ?
Wie ist es nun: darf man Christen und ihre Religion in den Dreck ziehen aber nichts gegen den Islam sagen ? Hat dir pc schon so das Gehirn vernebelt, dass du dich aus lauter Angst vor dem Islam selbst in den Dreck trittst und alle erkämpften Freiheiten über Bord wirfst ?
Ich möchte jetzt wissen wie du selbst zur Rede- und Meinungsfreiheit stehst. Mit deinen eigenen Worten, kein Wiki-Artikel.
Falukner had some knowing of family trees being grafted odd.
On one side of ours, real good horse theft people, so good in fact they got to be Texas Rangers due to great use of guns and fast horses.
Fast forward from the 1880′s to large land owners in central Texas and oil, and money and inbred bad. Our side would leave west Texas and go vist, large family reunions, thing is some of them were how you say, into young boys, so my grand dad would walk around them and pick out the ones who had that problem, show them his colt and that it was loaded, just so they would leave us kids from west Texas alone for sure.
Bat Shit Crazy and Rich to Boot. Pure Faulkner.
@ eaglesoars:
But, but Obama respects freedom of speech!
[/As long as it's politically correct speech]
Macker wrote:
She’s clearly the audience targeted by the Eva Longoria/Scarlett Johansson ad.
Watif Lotin
eaglesoars wrote:
I’ve never read much Faulkner. Fitzgerald is good, as far as he goes.
Hemingway was a fucking pig. He was a major apologist for the Stalinists in the Spanish Civil War. John Dos Passos—who is very, very good—and who had been a friend of Hemingway’s broke with him because Hemingway defended the Stalinists’ murder of an old friend of Dos Passos’ during the conflict.
Dos Passos started out as a soft lefty “anarcho-syndicalist” in college, became an ardent patriot and a supporter of Sen. McCarthy in the Fifties. A much better writer than Hemingway, and a much more ambitious one. Strongly recommend his USA trilogy (The 42nd Parallel, Nineteen Nineteen, and The Big Money; read them in order, and try to find editions with Reginald Marsh’s superb illustrations), Manhattan Transfer, Midcentury, and his book The Best Times, which chronicles some of his travels and his breaks with Hemingway and Fitzgerald. Also his history of WWI, Mr. Wilson’s War, is pretty good; JDP was first an ambulance driver, then a soldier, in WWI, and a correspondent in WWII.
@ taxfreekiller:
My family only got the Bat Shit Crazy part. Thank God. Money would have made it worse.
@ eaglesoars:
This is really blowing up in his face.
Iron Fist wrote:
Of course, it’s not just Obama. That’s the standard meaning of “free speech” on the left.
I guess we shouldn’t be surprised by such an Orwellian concept. These are the same people, after all, who have managed to turn support for unrestricted abortion into “reproductive rights.”
@ Iron Fist:
Hee. I remember you at the meet-up in Oakland, Fist! All I could think was how much you’d be hurtin’ the next day!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Ah, you’ve forgotten. You recommended them to me awhile back and I did get them. Just haven’t read them yet. (You knew me then as wahabicorridor)
I always sensed an undercurrent in Hemingway that was not quite right. Something about his insistence on his masculinity that I found overwrought and unconvincing.
Fitzgerald was just an emotional pouf
But tfk is right -- Faulkner knew Bat Shit Crazy and he just nailed it.
Macker wrote:
Well, of course; the new Civility means that she was honor-bound to lose the Battle of Missionary Rigidity.
waldensianspirit wrote:
And remember -- it’s the Muslims who get to define “slander.” To them, the Jews slander the prophet by existing.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
My family in Spain fought those Commies.
eaglesoars wrote:
I remember. I do have lapses, sometimes—is my face red!
Hemingway was someone determined to tamp down girlymanhood and become the biggest, butchest, fightin’-est guy ever. This led him to become a two-fisted asshole.
@ lobo91:
Yep. Not reproducing is reproductive rights. Like with the transsexual thing Buzz and I were discussing above, the Left are really railing against biology and reality. They want to overturn thenatural order of things to produce some utopia where everything goes according to a good little Leftist plan, and no one thinks for themselves, let alone utters a politically incorrect thought. We think of the Left as wanting nobody’s feelings are hurt, but that isn’t really true. Politically disfavored groups can have their feelings (or worse) hurt. Witness ferb’s ignorant Mormon bashing or the Piss Christ that the Left just loves to hold up as an icon of free speech. Insult Mohammed, and the Leftist President of the United States no less will inveigh against you from the forum of the Leftist United Nations. Insult a Christian and you are cheered.
@ taxfreekiller:
It’s cool, that’s what I figured.
Welcome back, by the way.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
He used both fists?
[/gross]
@ Iron Fist:
Heck you get TV appearances.
@ Iron Fist:
Some animals are more equal than others.
Ok this is getting good.
The Chicago Jewish Star endorses Romney
Chicago? Jewish? Romney?
wonders never cease and all that stuff…………………
Seems the troll disappeared again and again I won’t get an answer.
@ Guggi:
You’re good at that! I doubt seriously he speaks German, though.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
@ Iron Fist:
ROFLMAIAO!
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Hey, I had to admit to not having read them yet!!
Thanks for the validation re Hemingway. I knew there was something off about the guy
Iron Fist wrote:
Me too.
@ Guggi:
Funny he disappeared when you wrote German to him. Or was that Austrian?
eaglesoars wrote:
He was, apparently, super-Momma-dominated. Momma even sent him the gun with which his father killed himself.
Hemingway was one sick puppy.
Obama to financial cliff—bring it on.
Rodan wrote:
German
Quatsch (as in “Mormonenquatsch”) is a very German/German word. The Austrian equivalent would be “Holler”
(both words mean “nonsense”)
Iron Fist wrote:
One of these days this crap is going to send these people straight to a hell of their own making. It wasn’t that long ago that people with certain disabilities, eg, epilepsy, could not legally marry in some states in order to preclude disabled offspring. Margaret Sanger at work.
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Speranza wrote:
Yea, I remember the burning of overturned cars and beating up of citizens by rampaging groups of Mormons all over the country when it opened. Also when Big Love debuted on HBO.
Obama really, really, really hates “the rich.”
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
didn’t know that one! Is that the gun he killed himself with?
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Something like that would have been tailor-made for Alan Sherman…..
eaglesoars wrote:
I can’t remember; wouldn’t surprise me.
@ Rodan:
Hell, I’m starting to think I’M more Jewish than Bloomberg!
Carolina Girl wrote:
Hello, mother
Back in Bekaa
Here I am at
Hajj in Mecca…
Carolina Girl wrote:
Pope Ben is more jewish than Bloomberg.
Seriously
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
So he’s a selfhating person ?
@ eaglesoars:
You’ll like this.
Deeper link at Instapundit. Again, Margaret Sanger at work. No word as to whether Ginsberg agrees with Sanger on race.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Of course, it was immediately appropriated by the #tcot at Twitter and turned into “Obanesia”
Did anyone else notice that Romney got greater laughter and more sustained applause?
Carolina Girl wrote:
Over at the Tatler, someone suggested that a dose of Milk of Romnesia would be a good way to counteract this case of Obamarrhea we have…
@ Guggi:
I had two years of German in high school, and two years in college (all more that 20 years ago). And I could only about halfway follow that. I imagine ferd lost his shit over it. He might try babelfish on it, though.
@ Carolina Girl:
Salt Lake City was such a mess. NATO flying surveillance, they brought out my battalion as our sister battalion at Pendleton was in Afghanistan at the time. We spent hours studying the Book of Mormon so we could win the hearts and minds. Nothing like standing in the bazaar with nothing but a bicycle, short-sleeved white button down shirt, black tie, black slacks and a heavy name plate…damn Mormons, vicious people. I am still on Xanax from those riots.
Guggi wrote:
Deeply. It comes out in most everything he does. Narccissists are usually repressing self-hatred. They think they are so great because secretly, sometimes even hidden from themselves, they think that they are so inadequate.
Carolina Girl wrote:
Any Catholic is more Jewish than Bloomberg!
@ eaglesoars:
Hey -- I’m old enough to remember seeing that episode. I asked my mom at the time -- “how do we know? Anybody could say they were in the audience when Lincoln was shot.”
Ah yes -- skeptical even then…
Iron Fist wrote:
Let him try, I’ve nothing to hide. Same questions as I asked him in English.
@ bluliner10:
bluliner10 wrote:
Can I bum some from you? Just until the election…
New Thread.
Daffy Duck wrote:
Yes, I seldom post, but often read over here and I missed reading you TFK.
I see your (our)man Cruz seems to be kicking Sadler’s butt by double digits. Heh. I remember you coming on here when he won the primary (though the Board was distracted and gave it scant notice) and I’ve been pulling for him.
Iron Fist wrote:
…and he should get used to it
this was certainly not the last time that I use the German language to him. Oh and I habe a lot of words babelfish doesn’t know 
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
And who might that someone be, hmmmm?
This is an excellent CBS report on Mitt Romney. Don’t let the “CBS” fool you, it’s really quite good.
eaglesoars wrote:
I forget; it wasn’t me, but it was in a thread where I posted the Romnesia/Zimbab Way comment.
Carolina Girl wrote:
I was only 4 in 1956 so……Somewhere today someone asked If you cold bring back just one sitcom what would it be? I thought screw the sitcoms -- I want What’s My Line or I’ve Got a Secret. That Groucho Marx show was great too.
This is an excellent CBS report on Mitt Romney. Don’t let the “CBS” fool you, it’s really quite good.
@ Iron Fist:
Depending on the results after the election you may keep them or send them back post-haste! Behead those who insult Joseph Smith!
eaglesoars wrote:
“You Bet Your Life”. Yeah, he really doesn’t get enough credit for that show, it was some of the best of the “Golden Age” of TV.
Carolina Girl wrote:
I must have missed it all.
Guggi wrote:
Naja, einige hier behaupten ja, dass Obama die Pressefreiheit einschränken will, aber nur einseitig, nämlich nur wenn es sich um islamfeindliche Bemerkungen handelt. Dann schaukeln sich einige natürlich hier gegenseitig hoch, Obama ist auf der Seite der Muslime also auch auf Seite der Terroristen, er ist kein richtiger Amerikaner, etc.
Meiner Meinung nach klingt das ziemlich unsinnig. Obama wird die Pressefreiheit genausowenig abschaffen wie Romney. Dass mit dem Mormomenzitat war natürlich etwas provokant gebe ich zu. Natürlich würde Romney jetzt nicht die Meinungsfreiheit abschaffen, wenn er Präsindent wird. Bei dieser Schlammschlacht haben beide Seiten so ihre Gemeinheiten auf Lager, Obama wird von einen Seite als muslimischer Kommunist verteufelt, während Romneys Zugehörigkeit zu den Mormonen zu Last gelegt wird. Ich wollte die Diskursion ein wenig auf Romney lenken, um dann darauf zu kommen, wie unsinnig beide Positionen sind.
Zu Rede und Meinungsfreiheit:
Nun ja, was wollen Sie hören. Ich schätze Rede und Meinungsfreiheit. Natürlich darf keiner zu schaden kommen. Irgentwo ist natürlich die Grenze. Ich habe z.B. erst kürzlich gelesen, dass in Kanada ein Mädchen zu Tode gemobbt wurde, weil Fotos und andere Sachen über sie im Netz verbreitet wurde. Das hat mit Meinungsfreiheit natürlich nichts zu tun.
Dann gibt es eben noch Fälle von Volksverhetzung, die man natürlich unterbinden muss.
Was dem video über Muslime betrifft so gebe ich zu, dass ich es nicht gesehen haben. Aber von dem was ich gelesen und gehört habe, glaube ich nicht, dass man es unter Zensur legen sollte. So etwas muss eine Gemeinschaft aushalten, was übrigens auch die Haltung von Obama und Romney ist (soviel ich weiss)
Rodan wrote:
Ihr müsst mir schon ein wenig Zeit geben. Meine Muttersprache ist eben nicht englisch. Ich brauche einige Zeit, um die ganze Postings hier zu lesen
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eaglesoars wrote:
I saw this on youtube a few weeks ago.
@ ferb123:
I’ve got a post on the next thread that might interest you. More polling data, this time from Rasmussen.
Iron Fist wrote:
Wenn ich es richtig sehe, haben beide 48% bei Rasmussen.
In Ohio sieht Rasmussen Obama knapp vorne. Hat sich nicht viel verändert seit einigen Tage der habe ich etwas übersehen?
@ ferb123:
Hablo Espanol, no Aleman.
Rodan wrote:
tschuldigung, leider spreche ich kein spanisch
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Guggi wrote:
Na da bin aber gespannt, ob da auch Wörter dabei sind, die ich nicht kennne. Aber bitte nur hochdeutsch.
Ich spreche kein bayrisch oder schwäbisch
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Turducken.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Turducken ist wirklich ein Wort, das ich vorher nicht gekannt habe. Musste im Wiki nachlesen, was dat ist.
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taxfreekiller wrote:
Their is an Apache I know who could answer that..wink wink nod nod…
ferb123 wrote:
ad 1) Ein US-Präsident, der in einer Rede vor den VN sagt
“The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam” und sich zudem noch für ein privat produziertes Video entschuldigt, hat seine Aufgabe verfehlt. Gerade zu einem Zeitpunkt wo sich muslimische Länder ihrer Christen brutal entledigen -- von Pakistan bis Ägypten über den Irak nach Syrien, den Libanon oder den Iran, aber auch die Türkei hat sich mehrheitlich seiner Christen in den letzen Jahrzehnten entledigt -- kommt es einer Unterwerfung unter den Islam gleich, wenn O. solche Statements von sich gibt. Danützen dann auch Statements über Gleichbereichtung der Geschlechter etc. nichts mehr.
ad 2) So wie das Gesetz zur KV behandelt wurde, in einer Nacht-und Nebelaktion durchgepeitscht, muss der Eindruck entstehen, hier handelt es sich um eine kommunistische Vorgehensweise, wo dem dummen Pöbel von einer Elite von oben vorgeschrieben wird, was “gut für ihn ist” (siehe Che Guevara). Mitten in einer der schwersten Wirtschaftskrisen so ein Gesetz durch zu drücken, widerspricht jeder wirtschaftlichen Vernunft. Ein heruasragendes Merkmale der Kommunisten war, dass sie nicht einen Funken wirtschaftlicher Vernunft besaßen.
Jedem, auch den Teilnehmern hier auf diesem Blog, war klar, dass die KVersorgung dringend einer Reform bedurfte, weil sie ineffizient und zu teuer wurde. Dass man das mit einem Gesetz tut, das die Kosten noch erhöht, sowohl auf Seiten der Versicherten als auch auf Seiten des Staates und erst recht auf Seiten der Wirtschaft, ist an Dummheit nicht zu überbieten und zeigt, dass die Demokraten und O. keine Ahnung von Wirtschaft haben und dass es hier vor allem um Stimmenkauf ging. Wir in Europa sind ja daran gewöhnt und haben unsere Freiheiten längst an den Staat verkauft.
Mobbing findet nicht nur im Internet sondern auch z.B. am Arbeitsplatz statt und ist in der Hauptsache nicht eine Frage der Meinungs-und Redefreiheit, denn sobald offensichtlich falsche Behauptungen aufgestellt werden, kann der Rechtsweg beschritten werden. Bei dem jungen Mädchen in Kanada stellt sich die Frage wo das Umfeld (Eltern, Familie iA, Freunde, Lehrer etc.) war und warum sie nicht genügend Vertrauen hatte sich diesen anzuvertrauen bzw. warum sie nicht umfassend über die Gefahren der social medias aufgeklärt war.
Auch Volksverhetzung trifft nicht auf das Vid zu. Weshalb hat sich O. also für dieses Vid vor der UN entschuldigt? Er hat mit dieser Entschuldigung die verfassungsmäßigen Recht der US-Bevölkerung in Frage gestellt und ein ganzes Volk gedemütigt. Wer das nicht versteht, versteht die US-Bevölkerung nicht.
Die Vorstellung die O. in den letzten vier Jahren geboten hat, war in der Tat eine, die einem links-linken community organizer zu Gesicht stehen würde und nicht einem Staasmann, der in äußerst schwierigen Zeiten die Weltmacht USA zu lenken hat. Jörg Schönenborn hat vor zwei Wochen in der ARD-Diskussion am Sonntag Mittag wörtlich gesagt: wir stimmen doch überein, dass wir (Europäer) Obama mögen, weil er ein schwaches Amerika repräsentiert. Deutlicher kann man es nicht sagen.
Übrigens: Ihre Referenz zu dem Mormonenzitat war a) falsch, weil es nicht die Beziehung der Mormonen nach außen referierte und war b) unredlich weil aus dem Kontext gerissen. Wenn Sie hier provozieren wollen, dann lassen Sie sich nicht bei Unredlichkeiten erwischen.
@ Guggi:
wow, danke für dieses ausführliches posting (das hier ausser mir wahrscheinlich keiner lesen kann XDDDDDD).
kann ich davon ausgehen, dass wir uns in dem Punkt einig sind, dass wir beide deutsch können XDDDDD