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Obama: “We leave nobody behind”

by Rodan ( 121 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Cult of Obama, Libya, Special Report at October 30th, 2012 - 11:25 pm

Obama said during the Hurricane Sandy press conference that he leaves no one behind.

Obama left behind 4 Americans to die in Benghazi. The sick part is that this story is not doing him any damage. The media has formed a shield wall around Obama and are protecting him. We do not have a free press.

(Hat Tip: TaxFreeKiller)

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  1. Fritz Katz
    1 | October 31, 2012 5:25 am

    We do not have a free press.

    I think it’s even worse than that — the media has become an “Enemy Of The American People” Our media is a tool of “organized governmental power”. If you haven’t seen Pat Caddell’s powerful speech from a month ago, it’s well worth your time:

    You don’t need to be psychic to make this prediction: After Romney wins next week (God willing!), the media will stop covering up news stories unfavorable to our corrupt regime — and to start making up false news stories for the next eight years to bring down the Romney/Ryan administration.


  2. 2 | October 31, 2012 7:36 am

    @ Fritz Katz:

    When Romney is elected, the media will immediately discover that the economy is awful, and even if Romney gets unemployment down in the 5% range and growth up to 4% the economy will still be awful. Rodan is right, we don’t have a free press. They aren’t journalists anymore. They are Democrat operatives with by-lines.


  3. Storagemanager
    3 | October 31, 2012 7:49 am

    Woods thought help was coming…he died because of it…..he painted a target with his laser for a plane that never came….Obama is a ZERO.


  4. Storagemanager
    4 | October 31, 2012 7:51 am

    Records Show Obama Met With Panetta, Biden 55 Minutes After State Department Notified White House Benghazi Consulate Was Under Attack… http://weaselzippers.us/2012/10/30/records-show-obama-met-with-panetta-biden-55-minutes-after-state-department-notified-white-house-benghazi-consulate-was-under-attack/


  5. 5 | October 31, 2012 7:51 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    If the reports are right, the plane was there. It just wasn’t allowed to fire. Whomever gave that order comited voluntary manslaughter.


  6. Storagemanager
    6 | October 31, 2012 7:52 am

    This story needs to stay hot….the dead can not rest without the TRUTH.


  7. Storagemanager
    7 | October 31, 2012 7:54 am

    EXPOSÉ: Italy, Land of Islam

    Education minister Profumo proposed that Islam be taught in public schools alongside Catholicism. Nazification of Israel ruled free speech. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/161550


  8. 8 | October 31, 2012 7:56 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    I agree. This should be the story of the election. If it were President McCain who has done this, it would be the story oof the election. The press has never been more in th ebag for a President ever. Only Fox News is giving this story anything like the coverage that it deserves. Of course, Fox has the most viewership, so the story is getting out.


  9. Storagemanager
    9 | October 31, 2012 7:58 am

    Over the weekend, Facebook took down a message by the Special Operations Speaks PAC (SOS) which highlighted the fact that Obama denied backup to the forces being overrun in Benghazi.

    The message was contained in a meme which demonstrated how Obama had relied on the SEALS when he was ready to let them get Osama bin Laden, and how he had turned around and denied them when they called for backup on Sept 11.

    I spoke with Larry Ward, president of Political Media, Inc — the media company that handles SOS postings and media production. Ward was the one who personally put the Navy SEAL meme up, and the one who received the warning from Facebook and an eventual 24 hour suspension from Facebook because Ward put the meme back up after Facebook told him to take it down.

    Here’s what Ward told me:
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/30/Facebook-Censors-Navy-SEALS-To-Protect-Obama-on-Benghazi-Gate


  10. 10 | October 31, 2012 7:59 am

    Obama leaves nobody behind.

    He just turns them into speed bumps.


  11. Storagemanager
    11 | October 31, 2012 7:59 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Drudge and Beck also…


  12. Storagemanager
    12 | October 31, 2012 8:03 am

    Sean Hannity on Benghazi Audio Tapes: “I’ve Heard They Are Damning” …..The heroes on the ground called for help – Obama did nothing.
    It Was Dereliction of Duty http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/10/sean-hannity-on-benghazi-slaughter-audio-tapes-ive-heard-they-are-damning-video/


  13. Storagemanager
    13 | October 31, 2012 8:06 am

    I still say…when Woods found Stevens was gone…someone in the Whitehouse said oh shit….we need an excuse for Stevens being dead….lets blame the video.


  14. 14 | October 31, 2012 8:11 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    I’m glad I don’t Facebook much. A little with my sister is about it, and even there not much. I’ve seen it put this way: Take a picture of two pigs in a pen, eating from a trough. One pig says “Boy, the food sure is good!” The caption: if you aren’t paying for it, you’re the product. That’s Facebook.


  15. Storagemanager
    15 | October 31, 2012 8:15 am

    Obama is the worst President in American history….Carter was better.


  16. Storagemanager
    16 | October 31, 2012 8:21 am

    A Tunisian man arrested in connection with the deadly attack Sept. 11 on the U.S. Consulate in Libya was identified by the internal surveillance video recorded during the attack, senior U.S. intelligence officials told Fox News.

    Ali Ani al Harzi and one other suspect were detained at an airport in Turkey in the days after the attack while travelling with false documents, and Harzi now has been identified as being present at the attack using the images obtained from the consulate compound video, Fox News’ sources say.

    Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans were killed in the attack, which is thought to have been carried out by a local Libyan extremist group known as Ansar al-Sharia.

    Harzi was transferred to Tunisian custody, but U.S. interrogators so far have not had access to him, much to the frustration of American authorities. Even so, U.S. intelligence agencies have confirmed through facial recognition technology that the Tunisian was present the night of the consulate attack.

    Sen. Saxby Chambliss blamed the Obama administration for the inability to question Harzi.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/30/us-officials-idd-libya-attack-suspect-on-surveillance-video-sources-say/


  17. Storagemanager
    17 | October 31, 2012 8:25 am

    First, on the question of whether Woods and others were made to wait when they asked permission to move out immediately to try to rescue those at the consulate. The answer seems to be yes, but not for very long. There was a brief, initial delay — two people said it was about 20 minutes — before Woods was allowed to leave. One official said Woods and at least one other CIA colleague were “in the car revving the engine,” waiting for permission to go. Woods died about six hours later, after he returned to the annex.

    The main reason for the delay, several sources said, was that CIA officials were making urgent contact with a Libyan militia, known as the February 17 Brigade, which was the closest thing to an organized security force in Benghazi. The United States depends on local security to protect U.S. diplomatic facilities everywhere, and officials wanted to coordinate any response to the consulate attack. After this delay, Woods and his colleague proceeded to the consulate.

    Here’s my question: Was it wise to depend on a Libyan militia that clearly wasn’t up to the job? Could it have made a difference for those under attack at the consulate if Woods had moved out as soon as he was, in one official’s words, “saddled and ready”?

    Second, why didn’t the United States send armed drones or other air assistance to Benghazi immediately? This one is harder to answer. The CIA did dispatch a quick-reaction force that night from Tripoli, with about eight people, but it had trouble at first reaching the compound. One of its members, Glen Doherty, died along with Woods when a mortar hit the roof of the annex about 4 a.m. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/david-ignatius-benghazi-questions-the-administration-must-answer/2012/10/30/02d02538-22e2-11e2-8448-81b1ce7d6978_story.html


  18. Storagemanager
    18 | October 31, 2012 8:40 am

    It has now been established through the persistent work of Congressional leadership figures and such investigative journalists, media and talk show hosts as the Fox News network, the Glenn Beck show, Michael Coren at Canada’s Sun News, Aaron Klein at World Net Daily and Diana West that the Benghazi mission played a central role in a U.S. government policy of “engaging, legitimating, enriching and emboldening Islamists who have taken over or are ascendant in much of the Middle East,” as Center for Security Policy president, Frank Gaffney, put it.

    According to media reporting, Benghazi was staffed by CIA operatives whose job may have been not just to secure and destroy dangerous weapons (like RPGs and SAMs) looted from former Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi’s stockpiles during and after the 2011 revolution, but also perhaps to facilitate their onward shipment to the Al-Qaeda- and Muslim Brotherhood-dominated Syrian opposition.

    President Barack Obama signed an intelligence finding sometime in early 2012 that authorized U.S. support for the Syrian rebels and by mid-June 2012, CIA operatives reportedly were on the Turkish-Syrian border helping to steer weapons deliveries to selected Syrian rebel groups. According to an Oct. 14, 2012 New York Times article, most of those arms were going to “hard-line Islamic jihadists.”

    Read more: Family Security Matters http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/benghazi-the-set-up-and-the-cover-up?f=must_reads#ixzz2Asc0bmuR
    Under Creative Commons License: Attribution


  19. Storagemanager
    19 | October 31, 2012 8:45 am

    No, the real reason why the liberal MSM needs Obama to look presidential now is because he showed America exactly what kind of president he truly is after the Benghazi terrorist attack. And the more information that comes out about Benghazi, the more Americans don’t like the president they are seeing. In fact, had it not been for Sandy diverting attention from the Benghazi story, Obama’s approval numbers would probably still be plunging.

    As I stated before, it’s hard to screw up as president when confronted with a natural disaster. (Unless you happen to be Republican in the cross-hairs of the liberal MSM) But when two high profile incidents like Benghazi and Sandy happen so close together, it’s easy for the average Joe to compare and contrast the president’s actions in handling both of the incidents. And in these two cases, the presidential contrasts in Obama’s actions will speak volumes to the American people.

    In politics timing is everything, and the timing of Benghazi, Sandy and the presidential election will prove to be the downfall of the Obama re-election campaign.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/10/benghazi_sandy_and_being_presidential.html#ixzz2AsdS6BJD


  20. Storagemanager
    20 | October 31, 2012 8:48 am

    Cindy Sheehan Was Cheered, Charles Woods Is Ignored

    10/30/2012 06:24 PM ET -- Libya: As the father of a former Navy SEAL slain at Benghazi wonders why our secretary of state lied to him, we wonder why our CIA director abetted a lie that contradicted counterterrorism officials and the FBI. During the 2004 presidential campaign, a media eager to deny George W. Bush a … More »

    Read More At IBD: http://news.investors.com/IBDEditorials.aspx#ixzz2Ase5AEPt


  21. taxfreekiller
    21 | October 31, 2012 11:19 am

    Democrat leader U.S. Senate member John F. Kerry advised there would have been an easy way to deal with this. Just cut a treason deal behind the American Peoples back like he helped do pror with the NVA/VC in Paris France.


  22. 22 | October 31, 2012 11:45 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Right now they’re the White House Stenographic Pool. That will change in January 2013, when they will tell us about their sacred duty to “speak truth to power” once more.


  23. darkwords
    23 | October 31, 2012 2:16 pm

    Obama means what he says “he leaves nobody behind” If you are somebody to his racial radical consciousness he will help out, else you are a nobody to him. Obama counts the tea party, the police, handicapped kids, and his grandmother as nobodies.


  24. lobo91
    24 | October 31, 2012 2:33 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Obama counts the tea party, the police, handicapped kids, and his grandmother as nobodies.

    And veterans.


  25. yenta-fada
    25 | October 31, 2012 2:47 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    EXPOSÉ: Italy, Land of Islam

    Education minister Profumo proposed that Islam be taught in public schools alongside Catholicism. Nazification of Israel ruled free speech. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/161550

    CIA hosts training by Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas supporter.

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/10/cia-hosts-training-by-muslim-brotherhood-leader-and-hamas-supporter.html


  26. yenta-fada
    26 | October 31, 2012 2:48 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    Right now they’re the White House Stenographic Pool. That will change in January 2013, when they will tell us about their sacred duty to “speak truth to power” once more.

    That is a sadly accurate expectation. These people are transparent except to the willfully blind. PRAVDA R US


  27. Lily
    28 | October 31, 2012 3:46 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    I still say…when Woods found Stevens was gone…someone in the Whitehouse said oh shit….we need an excuse for Stevens being dead….lets blame the video.

    At the last moment how did they even know about the video? That video was on the internet for months and all of a sudden on 9/11 of this year outrage broke out. Naw something more nefarious was going on.


  28. Moe Katz
    29 | October 31, 2012 9:34 pm

    If the rumors concerning his sexuality are true, he may have actually said “we leave nobody’s behind.”


  29. randian
    30 | October 31, 2012 11:00 pm

    Here’s my question: Was it wise to depend on a Libyan militia that clearly wasn’t up to the job?

    Isn’t there a more fundamental problem here, namely that a Libyan militia is Muslim?


  30. 31 | October 31, 2012 11:07 pm

    Uhhhh, i , uhhhhhh killed unnnn OBL, uhhhhh and FOUR AMERICAN heroes!


  31. Moe Katz
    32 | October 31, 2012 11:46 pm

    @ randian:
    Only if you believe they’re all the same and on the same side.


  32. Calo
    33 | October 31, 2012 11:56 pm

    @ Moe Katz:
    They are not all the same and on the same side, but stereotypes are difficult to avoid while observing from across the pond.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/9515684/US-suspends-Afghan-militia-training-after-attacks-on-Nato-forces.html


  33. Da_Beerfreak
    34 | October 31, 2012 11:57 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ randian:
    Only if you believe they’re all the same and on the same side.

    That is the baseline a lot of Folks start from since 9-11-01. :evil:


  34. Moe Katz
    35 | November 1, 2012 12:19 am

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    @ randian:
    Only if you believe they’re all the same and on the same side.

    That is the baseline a lot of Folks start from since 9-11-01.

    Yes, stupid, aren’t they?


  35. Calo
    36 | November 1, 2012 12:25 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    Sorry to intrude, but 9/11 was the first introduction to Islam for most Americans. And, it left a bitter taste in our psyche.


  36. Moe Katz
    37 | November 1, 2012 12:27 am

    @ Calo:
    This is going to leave a bitter taste in your psyche and mine, I’m going to do my stationary bike before my inner troll comes out any further.


  37. Calo
    38 | November 1, 2012 12:32 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    Good night Moe.

    I always enjoy your company, even if we disagree.

    *frantically checking my grammar and punctuation*


  38. Moe Katz
    39 | November 1, 2012 12:38 am

    G’night Calo — and don’t worry, I don’t correct anybody for free.


  39. randian
    40 | November 1, 2012 12:43 am

    Moe Katz
    Yes, stupid, aren’t they?

    I know we’re so stupid. Evidence that Muslims bat for team Islam first, last, and always is the product of our paranoid imagination. Protecting an infidel against other Muslims? That could be construed as befriending an infidel in preference to the believers, an act of apostasy punishable by death under Islamic law. What Muslim obeys Islam in preference to infidel paymasters? Nah, I am surely delusional.


  40. Moe Katz
    41 | November 1, 2012 12:53 am

    @ randian:
    I’m leaving now and won’t see the reply till tomorrow morning. Y’all’s response to 9-11 reminds me of some punch-drunk palooka with a room temperature IQ that took one on the proboscis and got blinded, and so is charging around the ring swinging at air.

    I know I’m out of the consensus here on that question, and I’m outta here for the night.


  41. Calo
    42 | November 1, 2012 1:25 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    My private opinion on politics is usually kept quiet and is not aired on a blog. :shock:
    But, you are pushing me tonight, Moe. Despite your call for sleep.

    Most Americans before 911 were oblivious to Islam.
    However, thank you for reminding us as to why we are just elephants in a room charging our drunk, dead trunks about after 911. We are a forgiving country, but we won;t forget.

    911 taught us who the enemy was. And, Islam keeps reminding us every day that we are not welcome in their worldview.

    Just an average American with an opinion, and a vote.


  42. darkwords
    43 | November 1, 2012 1:43 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    My response to 9/11? Pre 9/11 I had an ok view of islam. had visited several Islamic countries and didn’t find anything really disturbing. Just a lot of third world superstition and ignorance mixed in with a few educated rich people. I had thought of studying sufism. Post 9/11 i watched the islamic folly. I’ve met plenty of nice muslims since then. But I don’t think they control their own future. They come fundamentally from violence and hate. That is the face of islam. Christianity is fundamentally about love. Big difference. I would say i am more knowledgeable about sharia and suras now. I am also more consciousness that islam is something that should be stopped in its tracks and force-ably evolved. Like post war Japan.


  43. Moe Katz
    44 | November 1, 2012 2:17 am

    @ Calo:
    I’m sorry.


  44. Moe Katz
    45 | November 1, 2012 2:22 am

    @ darkwords:
    I do wish, just as fervently as you, that we could just magically change their culture but we plainly can’t. Genocidal ranting of the sort we hear on this forum on a regular basis may be fun and cathartic for some, but it’s not constructive. Reality sucks, but it’s better than the alternatives.


  45. 46 | November 1, 2012 12:03 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    Moe, read Andrew McCarthy’s “The Grand Jihad.” Are all Muslims violent? No. But do they agree with the aims of the Islamofacists to conquer the West and impose Shar’ia Law in a global caliphate? Yes.


  46. lobo91
    47 | November 1, 2012 12:08 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:

    Moe, read Andrew McCarthy’s “The Grand Jihad.” Are all Muslims violent? No. But do they agree with the aims of the Islamofacists to conquer the West and impose Shar’ia Law in a global caliphate? Yes.

    And the other problem is that the “violent/non-violent” categories are fluid.

    There are countless examples of Muslims who grew up in the west, spent their entire lives in a “secular” manner, and then something happened to cause them to become jihadists.

    Nidal Hassan is a perfect example.


  47. 48 | November 1, 2012 12:11 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Exactly! They aren’t all terrorists, no, but they nearly all support the broad goals and aims of the terrorists. And the ones that do not are considered “apostates”, which is worse than being an infidel.Islam is no more compatible with civilization than Nazism was. We didn’ thave to kill off all Nazis to win that war (neo-Nazis still exist), but we had to utterly destroy their ability to wage war or to be of any significant import on world matters.


  48. Prebanned
    49 | November 1, 2012 12:30 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ randian:
    I’m leaving now and won’t see the reply till tomorrow morning. Y’all’s response to 9-11 reminds me of some punch-drunk palooka with a room temperature IQ that took one on the proboscis and got blinded, and so is charging around the ring swinging at air.
    I know I’m out of the consensus here on that question, and I’m outta here for the night.

    Look at the percentage of non-muslim people in Pakistan since partitian as an example of what an islamic takeover does to a country.
    islam is murder, 9-11 is nothing compared to the bloodbath islam has created since the 7th century. 9-11 was a wake up call, if you still think islam is all sweet and nice that says something about you, not us.


  49. Moe Katz
    50 | November 1, 2012 5:01 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    @ lobo91:
    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Prebanned:
    Difficult to debate when you’re outnumbered like this.

    I think the Muslim world is evolving and the struggle has only begun. There are Islamofascists and there are liberals, and many in between. Any opinion poll I’ve seen shows that the Taliban are generally disliked and most don’t believe in that caliphate stuff. Tens of thousands of Pakistanis have been killed by Islamist terrorists. I certainly agree that jihadists are a threat, but I believe we need to stay rational, avoid overgeneralizing, and learn to distinguish friends from enemies.


  50. Moe Katz
    51 | November 1, 2012 5:09 pm

    Malala Yousafzai is a 14 year-old girl who stood against the Taliban in the Swat Valley of Pakistan and advocated for girls’ rights to go to school. She is a Muslim too, and she is not alone.


  51. Da_Beerfreak
    52 | November 1, 2012 5:33 pm

    It is easy to find exceptions from both sides of the issue. The challenge is to figure out where the average falls. For now there are a lot of Folks that are willing to error on the side of caution regardless of the facts.


  52. Moe Katz
    53 | November 1, 2012 6:45 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    It is easy to find exceptions from both sides of the issue. The challenge is to figure out where the average falls. For now there are a lot of Folks that are willing to error on the side of caution regardless of the facts.

    Here’s a fact for ya: Islamists lost the elections in Libya. Liberal secularists hold a plurality.


  53. Da_Beerfreak
    54 | November 1, 2012 7:16 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Here’s a fact for ya: Islamists lost the elections in Libya. Liberal secularists hold a plurality.

    True. But that didn’t help our Ambassador when push came to shove.


  54. Moe Katz
    55 | November 1, 2012 7:25 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    Here’s a fact for ya: Islamists lost the elections in Libya. Liberal secularists hold a plurality.
    True. But that didn’t help our Ambassador when push came to shove.

    My only point is that these societies are a mixed bag, full of contradictions and fault lines. You need to work with the good guys as well as kick butt with the bad guys. There is no purely military solution, that’s a crock.


  55. Da_Beerfreak
    56 | November 1, 2012 7:49 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    My only point is that these societies are a mixed bag, full of contradictions and fault lines. You need to work with the good guys as well as kick butt with the bad guys. There is no purely military solution, that’s a crock.

    I agree with that. The trick is finding the right balance between the carrot and the stick. I am one that believes that we must treat our Friends well and should show our Enemies no mercy. I also realize that shorting Friend from Foe is no easy task even under the best conditions.


  56. Moe Katz
    57 | November 1, 2012 7:54 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    I also realize that shorting Friend from Foe is no easy task even under the best conditions.

    And mistakes will be made….


  57. lobo91
    58 | November 1, 2012 7:57 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    Here’s a fact for ya: Islamists lost the elections in Libya. Liberal secularists hold a plurality.

    And the Islamists hold a majority of the guns.

    I think that gives them an effective veto.


  58. lobo91
    59 | November 1, 2012 7:57 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    I also realize that shorting Friend from Foe is no easy task even under the best conditions.

    And mistakes will be made….

    “Bumps in the road.”


  59. Da_Beerfreak
    60 | November 1, 2012 8:04 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:

    Here’s a fact for ya: Islamists lost the elections in Libya. Liberal secularists hold a plurality.

    And the Islamists hold a majority of the guns.

    I think that gives them an effective veto.

    “Might makes right.”
    Is still the primary method of gaining and holding power in a lot of places.


  60. Moe Katz
    61 | November 1, 2012 8:08 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Lobo, are you sure about that? My understanding is that the forces who committed the Benghazi attacks had been neutralized and at least some other militias disarmed.

    In the broader picture, speaking of the Islamic world as a whole, the Islamists have been better armed and prepared in the wake of the Arab Spring because only Muslim organizations were permitted under the existing dictatorships. So they got a head start when the dictatorships were removed. Still, I dare to think we’re only in the first quarter and a touchdown behind.


  61. Moe Katz
    62 | November 1, 2012 8:09 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Your irony is understood and I appreciate where you’re coming from. It’s just that I don’t see any alternative.


  62. Moe Katz
    63 | November 1, 2012 8:13 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    “Might makes right.”
    Is still the primary method of gaining and holding power in a lot of places.

    Sometimes, though, the people can rise up and defeat the bullies, just on the strength of their courage and will alone. Like Malala, or the Iranian girl who punched out the Mullah who was telling her how to dress. I think there’s reason for hope.


  63. yenta-fada
    64 | November 1, 2012 8:27 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    My doctor just got back from France. He was staying in a hotel across the street from a synagogue. That House of Worship had barbed wire around it, lights on all night, and armed guards. Turkish Jews, German Jews, British Jews, French Jews, Israeli Jews….see a pattern. Read Bruce Bawer, a gay writer who was hounded by Muslim harrassment out of Amsterdam and then moved to Norway with his partner. His books are a wake up call and very accessible to read. They are excellent for giving you the sense of the gathering storm in a way that few other writers can. At least check his reviews at amazon.com. There is a large piece here I think you are missing.


  64. Moe Katz
    65 | November 1, 2012 8:36 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Our little synagogue in Quebec City got firebombed back in the 90′s. You don’t have to tell me about these things.


  65. Moe Katz
    66 | November 1, 2012 8:39 pm

    It’s a mixed picture, Yenta, and it’s in flux. The attacks on synagogues are part of the truth. And the schoolgirls in Pakistan coming out and marching in support of Malala is another part of the truth.


  66. waldensianspirit
    67 | November 1, 2012 9:29 pm

    Exclusive: Romney’s heading to Pennsylvania as GOP drops millions on ads

    ht drudge.

    They say it is going to be a huge turnout


  67. waldensianspirit
    68 | November 1, 2012 9:30 pm

    wrong thread


  68. Moe Katz
    69 | November 1, 2012 9:41 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    wrong thread

    Thanks for dropping by.


  69. yenta-fada
    70 | November 1, 2012 10:11 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    It’s a mixed picture, Yenta, and it’s in flux. The attacks on synagogues are part of the truth. And the schoolgirls in Pakistan coming out and marching in support of Malala is another part of the truth.

    The LEADERSHIP of the Muslims in Western countries are Islamists. Organizations like CAIR and its Canadian counterpart, ISNA in U.S. and Canada, Muslim Student Associations of both countries, Canadian Arab Foundation, I could go on and on. (and I have, lol) The Imams are trained in the same way in backward Islamist States. The problem for the ‘moderate’ Muslims EVERYWHERE is that their own families, friends, and mosques will turn against them if they say ‘boo’! Look at the death threats made against Tarek Fatah in Toronto for trying to keep a single moderate Muslim group going. This is why totalitarians like Ergogan in Turkey are very accurate in saying “There is no moderate Islam, there is only Islam” In order for Muslims to integrate with democratic societies, they either have to leave their communities/families (which IS possible in a non-Muslim country), or stay silent while their leaders speak for them. I don’t think you understand how many Muslims there are in Toronto who are fully separated from the society at large and how much political influence they wield. That is partly the Leftist/Islamist axis Rodan is always talking about. The Unions give the Islamists great backing. Sid Ryan of CUPE, and the NDP/CAW stronghold in Windsor are perfect examples. It is complex, made more so by political correctness which silences any conversation involving Muslims as ‘Islamophobic’. It’s not that we are a bunch of haters. It is that we refuse to be blind to the insidious effects of Stealth Jihad on the Western world. That’s precisely what Bruce Bawer is so effective at defining with real world examples.


  70. Moe Katz
    71 | November 1, 2012 10:55 pm

    I don’t believe that stuff. Spencer and the rest; I think they’re hucksters. From time to time I look at Spencer’s site and try to identify the logical fallacies and rhetorical tricks. There aren’t that many of them, and he uses a lot of repetition. You’ll certainly never hear a single positive thing about any Muslims or Muslim country from any of these people; they rely on selectivity and innuendo. They also lead their readers to draw conclusions they would not themselves state openly, but of course they never correct the readers for drawing such conclusions. Yet they can’t be accused of saying these things because they don’t. Pipes is honorable, others less so IMHO.


  71. Calo
    72 | November 1, 2012 11:15 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ Calo:
    I’m sorry.

    No problem Moe.

    I usually just scroll past the keyboard warrior posts I see on the innertubes here and elsewhere.


  72. Moe Katz
    73 | November 1, 2012 11:20 pm

    Calo wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    @ Calo:
    I’m sorry.

    No problem Moe.
    I usually just scroll past the keyboard warrior posts I see on the innertubes here and elsewhere.

    I wasn’t at my best.


  73. yenta-fada
    74 | November 1, 2012 11:20 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    I wasn’t talking about Spencer. I’ve been following the rise of Canadian anti-Semitism for a decade online. I used to read a great guy out of Quebec. David Oulette? I can’t recall his name at the moment, but he reported daily. He may have gone on to become part of honest reporting Canada. Then there was the Canadian Coalition of Democracies run by Al Gordon. He was really patient and objective, but he got so much spam and threats, he shut down after a few years. Very few private individuals can keep this up month after month, year after year. The mainstream Jewish Community, imo, would vote for Obama if they could. I also read Scaramouche, blazingcatfur, smalldeadanimals, and a couple other Canadian sites. I buy a lot of books to support authors who write on jihad. Two of them have been lawfared out of existence. “Alms for Jihad” and Rachel Ehrenfeld’s “Funding Evil” Saudi oil money sues fact based books, magazines, and newspapers all over the world. So, I’m not relying at all on Spencer because the Canadian experience is unique. We are experiencing the exact same form of stealth jihad, it’s just that we enable it much better than the Americans, imho. Ergo, it’s more successful in Canada. Canada is a major destination for wealthy immigrants who seek a second passport. Has been for years. Quebec has been for longer, since French is a major language for North African/Lebanese Muslims. Bruce Bawer is not a huckster, nor is Ayaan Ali Hirsi for openers.


  74. Moe Katz
    75 | November 1, 2012 11:26 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Well, I don’t trust Ayaan at all, something fishy about her. Bruce Bawer I don’t know. Most of this literature is riddled with fallacies and hidden agendas, IMHO.


  75. Moe Katz
    76 | November 1, 2012 11:28 pm

    @ Calo:
    My metaphor about the punch-drunk fighter was over the top and I know it angered you, but it wasn’t intended for you.


  76. Moe Katz
    77 | November 1, 2012 11:29 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    There’s an Islamophobia industry out there.


  77. Calo
    78 | November 1, 2012 11:32 pm

    @ Moe Katz:
    Yes, I know it wasn’t intended for me.

    @ Moe Katz:
    Agreed, that is what I meant when I said I usually just scroll on by those posts/sites.


  78. yenta-fada
    79 | November 1, 2012 11:32 pm

    @ Moe Katz:
    p.s. you didn’t address any of the points or Canadian Islamic groups that I posted about in #70. You just sort of went on about Robert Spencer.


  79. yenta-fada
    80 | November 1, 2012 11:33 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Well, I don’t trust Ayaan at all, something fishy about her. Bruce Bawer I don’t know. Most of this literature is riddled with fallacies and hidden agendas, IMHO.

    That is a broad and sweeping statement that doesn’t address any of my points again.


  80. yenta-fada
    81 | November 1, 2012 11:35 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    There’s an Islamophobia industry out there.

    Still not talking about all of the Canadian Muslim associations, are you? Nor do you (apparently) read of any of Canadian bloggers who are anti-Jihad.


  81. Moe Katz
    82 | November 1, 2012 11:39 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Yenta, I’m sorry but I wouldn’t believe anything from the people you cite without checking other sources, and I don’t have the time to do that. The Blazing Catfur lady, whatever her name is, is a nasty piece of work and a racist and I wouldn’t touch her with a man from Poland who was ten feet tall.

    If I may be permitted to change the subject, how are you health-wise?


  82. yenta-fada
    83 | November 1, 2012 11:50 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    Blazingcatfur is a guy. You didn’t mention the books I’ve read on the funding of Jihad and its many tentacles. You merely dismissed all of the blogs and authors I mentioned except for the one you don’t like.
    I consider that a poor excuse for a well-reasoned response. If you just toss off the main body of my references and jump on the one or two you don’t like, I’ll take that as putting your fingers in your ears and yelling lalalala or not wanting to do your homework. I’ve been at this a long time. I am not taking this personally or casting aspersions on your belief system. However, I am thinking you are not as educated on this topic as you would like to believe.
    Changing the subject doesn’t answer a single point. No, I’m not mad at you at all. I am not without a sense of humor, but this is the subject that originally led me to the swamp. I came over here after a couple of years and posted once. Got the old kickaroo. I’m not even a big Chuckie blaster because, in a free society, I can still change the channel. In a Sharia state……totalitarianism.


  83. 84 | November 2, 2012 12:02 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    There’s an Islamophobia industry out there.

    Hell NO.

    CzechRebel and I have been running a counterjihad blog for over five years. We get occasional contributions but nowhere near enough to defray our out-of-pocket expenses for Internet hosting & connectivity to keep the site up, and certainly not for the vast amounts of time and effort we and our contributors spend on getting material to put on it.

    None of us are in this for the money, and you can take THAT to the bank.

    Oh, and by the way, the term “Islamophobia” was, and is, an invention of the Muslim Brotherhood.


  84. 85 | November 2, 2012 12:03 am

    @ yenta-fada:
    Blazing Cat Fur and his wife Five Feet of Fury (a/k/a Arnie Lemaire and Kathy Shaidle) are real heroes. They know what they’re talking about.


  85. Moe Katz
    86 | November 2, 2012 12:04 am

    @ yenta-fada:
    lalalalalala


  86. yenta-fada
    87 | November 2, 2012 12:12 am

    @ 1389AD:

    It’s pretty hard to sum up years of work against jihad in a short post to anybody. Heck, my family and most friends don’t listen to me no matter how many facts I give them. That’s because they are leftists first. They have lived in a golden age, so to speak, and they cannot imagine that things could be different and freedoms could be lost.


  87. Calo
    88 | November 2, 2012 12:14 am

    @ Moe Katz:
    Some nights, I do the same.


  88. lobo91
    89 | November 2, 2012 12:16 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    I’m not even a big Chuckie blaster because, in a free society, I can still change the channel. In a Sharia state……totalitarianism.

    Even in a technically non-Sharia Muslim state, like Kuwait.

    The internet is filtered. Movies and TV shows are edited.

    How long before countries like Canada or the UK, which don’t value free speech the way the US does, begin doing the same in the name of “tolerance”?


  89. Moe Katz
    90 | November 2, 2012 12:21 am

    @ Calo:
    Ya gotta….


  90. yenta-fada
    91 | November 2, 2012 12:21 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    lalalalalala

    Logical Fallacies and the Art of Debate
    Contents:
    Introduction
    So why learn logical fallacies at all?
    Logic as a form of rhetoric
    Committing your very own logical fallacies
    The list of fallacies:
    argumentum ad antiquitatem
    argumentum ad hominem
    argumentum ad ignorantiam
    argumentum ad logicam
    argumentum ad misericordiam
    argumentum ad nauseam
    argumentum ad numerum
    argumentum ad populum
    argumentum ad verecundiam
    circulus in demonstrando
    complex question
    dicto simpliciter
    naturalistic fallacy
    nature, appeal to
    non sequitur
    petitio principii
    post hoc ergo propter hoc
    red herring
    slippery slope
    straw man
    tu quoque


  91. lobo91
    92 | November 2, 2012 12:26 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    argumentum ad nauseam

    See also: Obama 2012, “Tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires”


  92. yenta-fada
    93 | November 2, 2012 12:26 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    I’m not even a big Chuckie blaster because, in a free society, I can still change the channel. In a Sharia state……totalitarianism.
    Even in a technically non-Sharia Muslim state, like Kuwait.
    The internet is filtered. Movies and TV shows are edited.
    How long before countries like Canada or the UK, which don’t value free speech the way the US does, begin doing the same in the name of “tolerance”?

    We still have our kangaroo ‘human rights’ commission, but it has been expensively and privately challenged with some success. We self-censor much more like the Brits. i.e. If someone steps on our toes, we apologize. Not all Canadians are stupid enough to play by these rules. e.g. the permanently victimized and their enabling media and government agencies.


  93. yenta-fada
    94 | November 2, 2012 12:27 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    argumentum ad nauseam
    See also: Obama 2012, “Tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires”

    Leia says *woof, woof*. :-)


  94. lobo91
    95 | November 2, 2012 12:28 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    One of the biggest problems is the difference between your legal standards for libel and slander and ours.

    The truth is an absolute defense under US law for such charges. It’s not in Canada, Australia or the UK.


  95. waldensianspirit
    96 | November 2, 2012 12:28 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    millionaires and billionaires

    is now one word; millionairesandbillionaires. Should be added to the dictionary


  96. lobo91
    97 | November 2, 2012 12:31 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    millionaires and billionaires

    is now one word; millionairesandbillionaires. Should be added to the dictionary

    Make sure to note that it’s actually defined as “anyone who makes more money than we think they need.”


  97. Bumr50
    98 | November 2, 2012 12:31 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    If I see a “UN Observer” near my polling place I will raise the most ruckus possible without causing harm to myself or others.

    The event will be recorded, and I would expect the same from any other American citizen concerned about their rights.


  98. lobo91
    99 | November 2, 2012 12:37 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    If I see a “UN Observer” near my polling place I will raise the most ruckus possible without causing harm to myself or others.

    The event will be recorded, and I would expect the same from any other American citizen concerned about their rights.

    I’m pretty sure that nobody from the UN would make it into the city limits here.


  99. yenta-fada
    100 | November 2, 2012 12:41 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    If I see a “UN Observer” near my polling place I will raise the most ruckus possible without causing harm to myself or others.
    The event will be recorded, and I would expect the same from any other American citizen concerned about their rights.

    I believe you would. Most would not. We are being conditioned to follow orders. I’m not confrontational in person. Part of that is I react emotionally first, and figure out what I should have said afterwards. When I have the time to think, as I do online, I
    use that luxury. Putin is, as we speak, erasing the ability of the Russian people to use the internet freely. Could that happen here? OF COURSE it could!!


  100. lobo91
    101 | November 2, 2012 12:43 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    Putin is, as we speak, erasing the ability of the Russian people to use the internet freely. Could that happen here? OF COURSE it could!!

    And most people would never know it.

    If this site were shut down tomorrow morning, how many people would actually be aware of it? A few hundred, at most.


  101. yenta-fada
    102 | November 2, 2012 12:47 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:
    @ yenta-fada:
    If I see a “UN Observer” near my polling place I will raise the most ruckus possible without causing harm to myself or others.
    The event will be recorded, and I would expect the same from any other American citizen concerned about their rights.
    I’m pretty sure that nobody from the UN would make it into the city limits here.

    If they weren’t wearing uniforms, almost anybody from the UN would fit into Toronto. That is a GOOD thing. At least it used to be before November, 2004 when Muslims in Ontario ALMOST suceeded in putting a form of Sharia Law on the books of the Province. Who stopped them? NOBODY until some Iranian women from Quebec got on the case and found a Liberal Cabinet Minister who was sympathetic to their plight in their former country. The NDP/Socialists were completely caught off guard. They only listened to the Muslims, not the other people of Ontario. I have seen Sharia in action in my neighborhood and it is UGLY.


  102. yenta-fada
    103 | November 2, 2012 12:48 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Putin is, as we speak, erasing the ability of the Russian people to use the internet freely. Could that happen here? OF COURSE it could!!
    And most people would never know it.
    If this site were shut down tomorrow morning, how many people would actually be aware of it? A few hundred, at most.

    Exactly. Therein lies the problem.


  103. Calo
    104 | November 2, 2012 12:50 am

    @ lobo91:
    Meh, talk travels quickly via social media sites these days.

    I have no doubt if this site, or any Conservative site, was taken down it would be noticed by more than a few hundred people.


  104. lobo91
    105 | November 2, 2012 12:53 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    If anyone did ask why, all the powers that be would have to do is make something up about racism, threats of violence, child pornography, or the like. That would pretty much shut down any complaints. Nobody’s going to go on record as supporting a site accused of hosting child pornography, after all.


  105. yenta-fada
    106 | November 2, 2012 12:53 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Meh, talk travels quickly via social media sites these days.
    I have no doubt if this site, or any Conservative site, was taken down it would be noticed by more than a few hundred people.

    Which is why the loss of Andrew Breitbart was so strongly felt in the blogger community. If you look at history (generalization) often a relatively small number of people brought about great change. Good and bad.


  106. yenta-fada
    107 | November 2, 2012 12:56 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    If anyone did ask why, all the powers that be would have to do is make something up about racism, threats of violence, child pornography, or the like. That would pretty much shut down any complaints. Nobody’s going to go on record as supporting a site accused of hosting child pornography, after all.

    It would be tragic to lose hard won freedoms. I am baffled by those who cannot see this, but it possibly stems from my age and my own circumstances.


  107. lobo91
    108 | November 2, 2012 1:08 am

    I recently began reading Brad Thor’s novels, which are interesting because most of them involve current events. The bad guys are often (but not always) Muslim terrorists, for example. He hasn’t given in to the PC demands and changed them to Russian neo-Nazis or some other silliness. His characters frequently discuss the same kinds of things we do here, as well.

    His most recent book involves a plot to carry out a “digital Pearl Harbor,” a cyber-attack so massive that it would completely cripple the infrastructure of the US. The interesting thing about the plot, though, is that it isn’t being planned by foreign enemies. Those behind it are the executives of a technology company associated with the government. They realize that in today’s society, real power requires control of the flow of information. Once the dust settles, they intend to implement what’s known as “Internet 2.0,” which would be under their control.


  108. yenta-fada
    109 | November 2, 2012 1:09 am

    ‘night, lobo, Leia, Calo, Moe, lurkers, and the usual and unusual suspects. :-)

    http://www.jsmineset.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/clip_image00112.jpg


  109. lobo91
    110 | November 2, 2012 1:10 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    It would be tragic to lose hard won freedoms. I am baffled by those who cannot see this, but it possibly stems from my age and my own circumstances.

    The younger generation can’t comprehend a world that’s different from today’s.

    Unfortunately, they also mostly don’t understand how fragile it all really is.


  110. lobo91
    111 | November 2, 2012 1:10 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    Good night


  111. yenta-fada
    112 | November 2, 2012 1:11 am

    @ lobo91:

    Actually Panetta came out a couple of weeks ago and warned about a CYBER Pearl Harbor type of attack. He wasn’t even using the term ‘cyber’ correctly. I might have a glass of sherry. I feel the vapours coming on…..


  112. Calo
    113 | November 2, 2012 1:15 am

    @ yenta-fada:
    Nite Yenta.

    And, thank you for your Canadian perspective on sleep aides.


  113. lobo91
    114 | November 2, 2012 1:16 am

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Actually Panetta came out a couple of weeks ago and warned about a CYBER Pearl Harbor type of attack. He wasn’t even using the term ‘cyber’ correctly. I might have a glass of sherry. I feel the vapours coming on…..

    Of course he wasn’t. Do you think he has the slightest idea how computers or the Internet work?

    That’s one of the problems with the system as it exists today. The people “in charge” mostly don’t understand what they’re actually in charge of. They rely on a bunch of 20-somethings to tell them what’s going on.


  114. Calo
    115 | November 2, 2012 1:16 am

    @ lobo91:
    So, it’s just us two again left awake?


  115. lobo91
    116 | November 2, 2012 1:17 am

    Calo wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    So, it’s just us two again left awake?

    Looks that way


  116. lobo91
    117 | November 2, 2012 1:19 am

    Ugh. I just saw a commercial for FEMA’s flood insurance program.

    Just what we need…more taxpayer subsidies to allow people to live in places they shouldn’t.


  117. Calo
    118 | November 2, 2012 1:20 am

    @ lobo91:
    Leia sleeping yet?

    I got a wolf on the couch invading my space and a cat in my spot on the bed… I might have to sleep on the patio instead.

    Night Lobo.


  118. lobo91
    119 | November 2, 2012 1:22 am

    @ Calo:

    Leia sleeps in her own bed in the corner of my bedroom, which is where she is now.

    I’m headed that way myself.

    Night


  119. 120 | November 2, 2012 8:20 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    There were good Nazis. Not many, but they were there. I’d say they were about a plentiful as good Muslims. We didn’t let the presance of the Oskar Schindlers stop us from doing what was necessary to stop Nazism, nor did we say “Well, the Nazis are evolving. Things will be better when Hitler dies”, and try to wait them out. We are dealing with Islam as it exists today, not some fantasy of what it could be in 500 years. Islam as it is today is a vile, violent, repressive ideology, and nothing about little girls that occasionally stand up to the oppressors (and get shot for it) will make it better. Di d the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising make Hitler’s Germany more tolerable? Andf the comparison to Nazi Germany is most apt. Islam is expansionist and wants to conquer the world. It is violent and repressive, allowing almost no freedom of conscience or thought. I could go on, but as I said in my last post, Islam is not compatible with civilization. We didn’t try to understand the Nazis. We made sure that they’d never be a threat again. We should do the same with Islam.


  120. Moe Katz
    121 | November 2, 2012 7:28 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Well, needles to say, I don’t share your view of it. Again, I think we’re in the first quarter of the game and at most a touchdown behind. Open a beer, grab a sandwich, and stay tuned.


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