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Another Tea Leaf: Harry Reid Concedes The Election By Speaking To His Plans For Obstruction.

by Flyovercountry ( 82 Comments › )
Filed under Democratic Party, Politics, Progressives at November 2nd, 2012 - 6:00 pm
Political Cartoons by Chip Bok

I’ve been predicting a landslide election to fire Barack Obama this year roughly since the day he won his election in 2008. I was called crazy, over optimistic, and a Republican homer looking at the world through elephant colored glasses. The election cycle has gone through varying stages of optimism for both sides, with everyone one and their brother insisting that their horse would have no trouble winning in the end. During the first week of September, most in the country declared Mitt Romney’s candidacy to have been dead, left lifeless by the inevitability of the greatest political orator to have ever read words written on a teleprompter. The first debate happened, and suddenly, Barack Obama found himself in an election against the real Mitt Romney and not the straw man cardboard cutout which he had created for the express purposes of running as his adversary. Through all of that, my prediction never wavered. It is not that I am such a genius, as I would describe my own abilities as somewhat pedestrian, or average. What I am able to do though is pay attention to both history and reality.

Barack Obama’s policies have been tried before, both foreign and domestic. They were disastrous then as well. So, here we are again, trying the same old Marxist economic philosophy, once again calling them new. Shockingly, they produced the same exact results as they always have. Once again, when people express a desire to live a better life, our Socialist leader informs us that we are all too greedy for the larger benefit of all of society, and that our current economic malaise is the best living standard that we in fact deserve. He has gone on to say that this is the new normal that we should just accept now. My keen study of history has told me that this is a losing message, and one that always gets itself defeated by landslide proportions. It’s simply a matter of recognizing that I’ve seen this movie before. We’ve all seen this movie before.

Upon pointing out that we’ve all seen this before, I am quickly reminded that this time it’s different. Barack Obama is more like a cult figure, with a more fervent fanatical following than any politician in history. We’ve all seen that movie before as well, and truth be told, that movie never ends well for the cult leader either. In each instance, the more fervent the cult leader’s following is, the harder his fall from grace has been. Barack Obama will be no exception to that rule, and what we are witnessing now is the inevitable fall from the top, his implosion if you will.

There have been plenty of signs, and all of them glaring us right in the face. Starting with the polls, it has become necessary for the demographic models, which are supposed to be indicative of the proportionality of what our voting populace will resemble, to include samples of D+13 in order to make it appear as though Barack Obama is even close. These samples have become common place despite the fact that it has never happened before in history, and despite the fact that a record percentage of Americans now self identify as Republican and an opposite record low percentage of Americans now self identify as Democrats. Early vote totals have suddenly found their way into media reports, and these numbers should scare the October out of Team Obama. Using the all important Ohio as an example, a state where many are claiming Obama has a lock due to the early voting effort, as of this morning, he has 220,000 fewer early voters having cast their ballots so far, while Mitt Romney has outpaced John McCain by 50,000 votes. In 2008, the Obama margin of victory was 262,000 votes. My analysis already shows Mitt Romney winning the election with or without Ohio, but the example shows clearly that Barack Obama will not enjoy the same voter enthusiasm that gave him the historically high D+8 sample which produced his 53 to 47 margin in an election that he won. Scott Rasmussen last week predicted a sample that would end up being R+2, which would actually fit well with other partisan splits from previous elections.

This morning, Barack Obama spoke to one of his strong holds in Ohio, Franklin County, and drew an unimpressive 2800 people. Romney’s crowd in the normally Democratic stronghold of Avon Lake Ohio, in the Ashtabula, Cuyahoga, Lorain, Wood, corridor that has sent Dennis Kucinich and Marcy Kaptur to Washington for ever and a day, was an overflowing crowd of 15,000 plus, and would have been much larger had the local authorities not been forced to turn people away. Where the two campaigns send their candidates and surrogates are important clues, as well as the money that those campaigns spend, and where. Every indication was that the Obama Campaign gave up on Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, New Hampshire, and Colorado three weeks ago. His firewall so to speak became Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Nevada. In the mean time, Mitt Romney has taken to campaigning in Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Maine, and Oregon. While the Obama team immediately dismissed that turn of events as desperation, they have privately been shifting their funds into those states to keep what they already had listed as safe Obama territory, robbing their firewall of much needed funds.

Another of the tea leaves waiting to be read is the rhetoric itself. Ed Morrissey at Hot Air wrote three weeks ago that his realization of George H.W. Bushes impending defeat in his reelection bid against Bill Clinton occurred when he referred to Al Gore as Ozone Boy at a campaign event in Ann Arbor Michigan. Presidents who are winning do not self diminish in that fashion. True to that form, Barack Obama has named a new medical affliction called Romnesia. He has resorted to the juvenile name calling that people who are desperate resort to in these elections. Barack Obama has self diminished. So evident was this, that on Sunday evening of last week, his plane was actually turned around mid flight on its way to Florida in order to have Barack Obama not appear at another campaign event in which he would do more damage to his Presidential immage.

Perhaps my favorite sign of the impending Democrat Apocalypse to which we are about to be treated however, is the spate of pre elections obituaries being written and the pre election blame going on. One by one, I am watching the Democrat Pundits on television give their predictions of overwhelming victory with confidence in one sentence, and then explaining how the Romney victory should not be confused as an actual mandate in the next.

Then, there’s Harry Reid. The following is a quote from Senator Reid offered up yesterday in the Washington Times, and it says defeat in language so deafening, I find myself wanting to begin my celebrations early. I’ll knock on doors and make phone calls instead. No use in not continuing to work in an effort to make this a reality.

Five days before the election, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has ruled out trying to work with Mitt Romney should he win next week.
“Mitt Romney’s fantasy that Senate Democrats will work with him to pass his ‘severely conservative’ agenda is laughable,” Mr. Reid said in a statement on Friday, trying to puncture Mr. Romney’s closing election argument that he’ll be able to deliver on the bipartisanship President Obama promised in 2008 but has struggled to live up to.

This election is going to take the shape of another Republican Wave election, similar in result to the 2010 midterms. That would match the historical trend going back to include the previous 7 Presidential elections, just by the way as I have predicted for four solid years.

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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82 Responses to “Another Tea Leaf: Harry Reid Concedes The Election By Speaking To His Plans For Obstruction.”
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  1. waldensianspirit
    1 | November 2, 2012 6:06 pm

    Fantastic cartoon!


  2. lobo91
    2 | November 2, 2012 6:15 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Although it’s slightly inaccurate.

    Cindy Sheehan’s son Casey wasn’t a Marine. He was in the Army.


  3. RIX
    3 | November 2, 2012 6:17 pm

    Either Hillary or Obama would have won
    In 08. There was anti Bush sentiment and
    McCain was a poor candidate.
    But this time around with his record BHO
    would not even be competitive without
    the race factor.


  4. song_and_dance_man
    4 | November 2, 2012 6:21 pm

    I predicted Reagan 2x, Bush and then an unknown gov from AK interrupted my streak; Bush x2 and then an unknown Sen from IL once again disrupted. In both cases where I failed, and specially with Chair I thought for sure they would lose based on what I came to learn of them.

    I too believe Mitt will win big. And if Harry decides to obstruct the midterms in 14 will look like the Newt led (R) revolution of 94 with Reid ousted. He can then go fishing with Daschle.


  5. RIX
    5 | November 2, 2012 6:29 pm

    If it wear not for Sharing Engle, Reid would retired.
    She is the only carbon based lifeform in the State of
    Nevada that could have lost to.him.


  6. song_and_dance_man
    6 | November 2, 2012 6:29 pm

    RIX wrote:

    There was anti Bush sentiment and
    McCain was a poor candidate.

    I will never understand why the (R)’s power base in DC and the RNC throw bones out for veteran pols while thinking, they’ve paid their dues and it’s time to give them a shot for their years of service. The same thing happened in 96 with Dole who was never going to win against Wet.


  7. song_and_dance_man
    7 | November 2, 2012 6:35 pm

    Barone

    Bottom line: Romney 315, Obama 223. That sounds high for Romney. But he could drop Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and still win the election. Fundamentals.

    Michael knows and goes state by state. This dude can even go county by county in each state if he wanted to.


  8. RIX
    8 | November 2, 2012 6:41 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    Yup,the Republicans do seem to have
    a seniority system.


  9. 9 | November 2, 2012 7:34 pm

    Dang, what happened to this thread?


  10. song_and_dance_man
    10 | November 2, 2012 7:38 pm

    Macker wrote:

    Dang, what happened to this thread?

    It’s dead, Jim.


  11. Dolphin
    11 | November 2, 2012 7:42 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    Hahaha!

    :)


  12. 12 | November 2, 2012 7:45 pm


  13. eaglesoars
    13 | November 2, 2012 7:47 pm

    I don’t think this is concession by Reid. I think he’s trying to frighten people away from voting for Romney by assuring them he’ll make Romney impotent.

    Yes,, he is that ugly.


  14. gibsonz
    14 | November 2, 2012 7:52 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Ugly was a long ways back for Harry Reid…


  15. 15 | November 2, 2012 7:52 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I don’t think this is concession by Reid. I think he’s trying to frighten people away from voting for Romney by assuring them he’ll make Romney impotent.

    Yes,, he is that ugly.

    And that right there is an admission of defeat. If that’s the last arrow in your quiver, you’re going hungry tonight.


  16. Dolphin
    16 | November 2, 2012 7:55 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    He is evil. Along with the lot of them!


  17. Aussie Infidel
    17 | November 2, 2012 7:56 pm

    If by some unforeseen happenstance Obama should accidentally win then buy a ticket down under to NZ . We hobbits are very welcoming :)

    http://video.theaustralian.com.au/2298829462/Air-NZs-Hobbitthemed-safety-video


  18. eaglesoars
    18 | November 2, 2012 7:56 pm

    Flyovercountry wrote:

    And that right there is an admission of defeat. If that’s the last arrow in your quiver, you’re going hungry tonight.

    Point taken.


  19. eaglesoars
    19 | November 2, 2012 7:58 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    He is evil. Along with the lot of them!

    I haven’t met him in person, but I have talked to him on the phone several times (fundraising). It’s every bit as bad as you would imagine.

    If bitter could melt a phone………….


  20. Aussie Infidel
    20 | November 2, 2012 7:58 pm


  21. eaglesoars
    21 | November 2, 2012 8:01 pm

    gotta go -- being an adult sucketh big time.


  22. song_and_dance_man
    22 | November 2, 2012 8:18 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I think he’s trying to frighten people away from voting for Romney by assuring them he’ll make Romney impotent.

    I doubt that will deter those prone to vote for Mitt to abstain. More likely it’s a response vented from their internals—which probably show apathy— and threw that out to stimulate the (D) base. Especially in NV where the Las Vegas Review-Journal castigated the Chair and endorsed the Romster.


  23. 23 | November 2, 2012 8:24 pm

    I always said people vote their wallet, (not their private parts). The media could convince voters that while they were doing ok their neighbor wasn’t and so got Clinton elected. A Republican congress and Dick Morris got him reelected. The media can in noway convince the voters that while they are doing badly the rest of the economy is perpetually turning the corner, (which results in a circle). Even today they are pushing that meme. 300+ Romney, 53+ senate, which BTW Dick Morris agrees. Dick Morris is a freaking genius, he’s been predicting a landslide for a year as has Rush.


  24. darkwords
    24 | November 2, 2012 8:34 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:
    I liked the mobile middle earth app.


  25. darkwords
    25 | November 2, 2012 8:35 pm

    Romney Good, Obama bad.


  26. song_and_dance_man
    26 | November 2, 2012 8:37 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    300+ Romney, 53+ senate, which BTW Dick Morris agrees. Dick Morris is a freaking genius, he’s been predicting a landslide for a year

    Barone has it a bit higher. And he’s one who most should listen to; along with Dick.

    Bottom line: Romney 315, Obama 223. That sounds high for Romney. But he could drop Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and still win the election. Fundamentals. -- Barone


  27. song_and_dance_man
    27 | November 2, 2012 8:38 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Romney Good, Obama bad evil.

    There…I fell better


  28. song_and_dance_man
    28 | November 2, 2012 8:40 pm

    Slow night. Everybody must be saving their reserves for Tues. Mon and Tues are my RDO’s, but I’m seriously thinking about taking Wed off since this place will be hopping on the 6th.


  29. Calo
    29 | November 2, 2012 8:43 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    What are RDO’s?
    Work speak?


  30. Moe Katz
    30 | November 2, 2012 8:45 pm

    This may sound like sour grapes, but I was thinking it’s nice to have the polls this even but with Romney generally seen as the underdog.


  31. brookly red
    31 | November 2, 2012 8:51 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    This may sound like sour grapes, but I was thinking it’s nice to have the polls this even but with Romney generally seen as the underdog.

    fuget the polls, what is the Vegas over/under say?


  32. song_and_dance_man
    32 | November 2, 2012 8:53 pm

    Calo wrote:

    What are RDO’s?

    Regular Days Off

    @ Moe Katz:

    I’m with you. The prog MSM and their polls give a bit of satisfaction for the (D) base. It may spurn a sort of que sera and give some the hope that it’s a done deal, no need to go and vote. But it may come back to bite them in the ass; and I hope it does. Giving the impression to the base that Chair will once again Occupy DC.


  33. Moe Katz
    33 | November 2, 2012 8:54 pm

    @ brookly red:
    No idea. My point was that the perception of being the underdog may be helpful in getting a better turnout than the opposition. The old Confucian idea of encouraging the opposition to underestimate you.


  34. lobo91
    34 | November 2, 2012 8:57 pm

    I’m watching Judgment at Nuremburg this evening.

    If there was any justice, we’d see something similar in DC in the near future…


  35. brookly red
    35 | November 2, 2012 9:00 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    No idea. My point was that the perception of being the underdog may be helpful in getting a better turnout than the opposition. The old Confucian idea of encouraging the opposition to underestimate you.

    I see what you are saying and in a close election yes I agree, but with 23 million unemployed this is not going to be close…even with massive voter fraud


  36. 36 | November 2, 2012 9:03 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    This may sound like sour grapes, but I was thinking it’s nice to have the polls this even but with Romney generally seen as the underdog.

    Actually that’s a great place for us to be. No one who knows The One will stay home but Obama voters, Dems, who are very un-enthused, may stay home if they think this will go their way. Maybe not in Ohio, but in Pennsylvania, maybe not in Florida, but in Wisconsin. Axlerod’s mustache is going down BTW. Also BTW, Gary Johnson will be a big factor if we take Colorado.


  37. Moe Katz
    37 | November 2, 2012 9:03 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    I see what you are saying and in a close election yes I agree, but with 23 million unemployed this is not going to be close…even with massive voter fraud

    From your lips to God’s ears….


  38. quiet man
    38 | November 2, 2012 9:04 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Sorry for over reacting this morning. You convinced me about the truth of the subject the other day. I just saw the one “sound bite”

    As for Woods, a Marine…Left to die a hero and who still remains ignored. Makes me sick.


  39. quiet man
    39 | November 2, 2012 9:07 pm

    Did any of you hear the point that there were only three outcomes..a Romney Land slide, a Romney thin-win or an Obama thin win. No one thinks Obama will be a landslide except the blindest of the low information voters.


  40. lobo91
    40 | November 2, 2012 9:09 pm

    @ quiet man:

    I just can’t believe how hard it is to kill such a stupid rumor.

    There are a lot more important things to be talking about.


  41. lobo91
    41 | November 2, 2012 9:11 pm

    @ quiet man:

    Given that the people who have been hardest hit by Obama’s policies are his own base, I really can’t see them turning out in great numbers to re-elect him.


  42. quiet man
    42 | November 2, 2012 9:16 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I can tell you why. It makes sense. A general, in the line of command at the lower level of the chain defied orders to retrieve his fellows. Or one who told the chain to go fuck themselves for the thing.

    When everything coming from the white house is a lie and we all know it, people tend to let facts fall into patterns they can understand.


  43. quiet man
    43 | November 2, 2012 9:18 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I think there are great number of voters who, armed with only a couple of ideas refuse to see anything else. No actual policy or futures ever come into their vote.


  44. brookly red
    44 | November 2, 2012 9:18 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ quiet man:

    Given that the people who have been hardest hit by Obama’s policies are his own base, I really can’t see them turning out in great numbers to re-elect him.

    you know it comes down to the middle class are you better off than you were 4 years ago? Game over.


  45. song_and_dance_man
    45 | November 2, 2012 9:22 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    No one who knows The One will stay home but Obama voters, Dems, who are very un-enthused, may stay home if they think this will go their way.

    What I said in my 32 using different words. The writing is on the wall from the MSM, who are engendering some sort of Chair win in the States that matter least.

    Remember 2000. If Gore had won his home State Florida would not have mattered.

    It’s the little things Bob.


  46. lobo91
    46 | November 2, 2012 9:22 pm

    @ brookly red:

    you know it comes down to the middle class are you better off than you were 4 years ago? Game over.

    Exactly. All people have to do is look out the window while they’re driving to the polls. Count the foreclosure signs.


  47. 47 | November 2, 2012 9:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I just can’t believe how hard it is to kill such a stupid rumor.

    What are you talking about?


  48. song_and_dance_man
    48 | November 2, 2012 9:23 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    From your lips to God’s ears….

    …and then to the masses of real voters.


  49. lobo91
    49 | November 2, 2012 9:25 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    I just can’t believe how hard it is to kill such a stupid rumor.

    What are you talking about?

    The rumor about General Ham having been relieved of his command and “apprehended” by his deputy for trying to launch a rescue mission over Obama’s orders not to.


  50. brookly red
    50 | November 2, 2012 9:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    you know it comes down to the middle class are you better off than you were 4 years ago? Game over.

    Exactly. All people have to do is look out the window while they’re driving to the polls. Count the foreclosure signs.

    23,000,000 unemployed… TWENTYTHREE MILLION. That’s all I got to say.


  51. song_and_dance_man
    51 | November 2, 2012 9:32 pm

    quiet man wrote:

    I think there are great number of voters who, armed with only a couple of ideas refuse to see anything else. No actual policy or futures ever come into their vote.

    My pension fund is going to take a hit next year. It was protected during the time when others were hit well before. Just today I convinced one more to abandon the Chair. That she was ready to do so is probably the case across all industries and social groups.

    NY, NJ and the whole eastern board are in a state of shock, and they are noticing the relief effort is no where close to the response that was afforded to the south western coast after Katrina.

    Beck today noticed the Red Cross and United Way have gotten only 11 million from donations for relief. After Katrina they raised billions(I don’t recall the number cited)

    If only someone like Nagin were the Mayor of NY or the Gov. Chair would now be hounded like a Bush.


  52. lobo91
    52 | November 2, 2012 9:32 pm

    @ brookly red:

    23,000,000 unemployed… TWENTYTHREE MILLION. That’s all I got to say.

    Yup


  53. 53 | November 2, 2012 9:33 pm

    I would actually be better off if Obama wins. I have three jobs, one of which I have because there are too many people who would rather milk their government assistance, including unemployment benefits, than take on a difficult job, prison guard. I get 12.3 hours every Saturday for $12.33 an hour because no one else will take the job. That’s my house payment. I should be able to purchase another house to rent if interest rates remain this low for two years. Under Obama that’s a safe bet but once Romney gets elected the economy is going to go barn burners and interests will begin to rise. Still I voted for Romney and more so voted for Ryan. I’m dumb that way, I will prosper but I can’t say the country will under Obama.


  54. song_and_dance_man
    54 | November 2, 2012 9:35 pm

    @ lobo91:

    What do you think about the stories of a gun/arms running Op like F&F over there?


  55. 55 | November 2, 2012 9:37 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Rancher wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    I just can’t believe how hard it is to kill such a stupid rumor.
    What are you talking about?

    The rumor about General Ham having been relieved of his command and “apprehended” by his deputy for trying to launch a rescue mission over Obama’s orders not to.

    Holy crap! Stupid rumor right? I only ask because it’s plausible.


  56. brookly red
    56 | November 2, 2012 9:40 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    I would actually be better off if Obama wins. I have three jobs, one of which I have because there are too many people who would rather milk their government assistance, including unemployment benefits, than take on a difficult job, prison guard. I get 12.3 hours every Saturday for $12.33 an hour because no one else will take the job. That’s my house payment. I should be able to purchase another house to rent if interest rates remain this low for two years. Under Obama that’s a safe bet but once Romney gets elected the economy is going to go barn burners and interests will begin to rise. Still I voted for Romney and more so voted for Ryan. I’m dumb that way, I will prosper but I can’t say the country will under Obama.

    you figured in low interst, did you figure in higer taxes :)


  57. brookly red
    57 | November 2, 2012 9:47 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    Holy crap! Stupid rumor right? I only ask because it’s plausible.

    Plausible? If I had to bet my life on a blind guess and the 2 choices were did Obama screw the military for personal gain or not… I would not have to go with my gut.


  58. lobo91
    58 | November 2, 2012 9:48 pm

    @ Rancher:

    Holy crap! Stupid rumor right? I only ask because it’s plausible.

    Not a bit of it’s true. General Ham is still in command, and will be until sometime next year. He wasn’t relieved, and he certainly wasn’t “apprehended” by anyone (which only happens in movies, BTW).

    Some people have taken a few unrelated facts and spun an entire story out of them.

    There’s a similar rumor floating around that claims the commander of the Stennis battle group was similarly relieved. Never mind the fact that the Stennis wasn’t anywhere near Libya on September 11th. She was en route to the Persian Gulf at the time.

    The commander of the Stennis battle group has been “temporarily” relieved and returned to the States pending an investigation, but it involves an entirely separate issue (my understanding is that it has something to do with a port call in Thailand).


  59. lobo91
    59 | November 2, 2012 9:51 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    What do you think about the stories of a gun/arms running Op like F&F over there?

    I don’t have enough information to know what’s true in that case. My understanding is that Ambassador Stevens was working with the CIA to try to locate and recover some of the 20,000 surface-to-air missiles that “disappeared” from Qadaffi’s arsenal.


  60. brookly red
    60 | November 2, 2012 9:57 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    What do you think about the stories of a gun/arms running Op like F&F over there?

    I don’t have enough information to know what’s true in that case. My understanding is that Ambassador Stevens was working with the CIA to try to locate and recover some of the 20,000 surface-to-air missiles that “disappeared” from Qadaffi’s arsenal.

    Gee one would think an American president would want that mission to work and spare no expense to secure it… one would think.


  61. lobo91
    61 | November 2, 2012 9:58 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Gee one would think an American president would want that mission to work and spare no expense to secure it… one would think.

    You would think so.

    It would suck if one of them turned up outside the fence at JFK…


  62. brookly red
    62 | November 2, 2012 10:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Gee one would think an American president would want that mission to work and spare no expense to secure it… one would think.

    You would think so.

    It would suck if one of them turned up outside the fence at JFK…

    Actually I would think on a boat like flight 800 more likley.


  63. song_and_dance_man
    63 | November 2, 2012 10:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    My understanding is that Ambassador Stevens was working with the CIA to try to locate and recover some of the 20,000 surface-to-air missiles that “disappeared” from Qadaffi’s arsenal.

    If true that is the motive for the militias to come after him and the effort. And Chair, or at least his minions, must’ve have known what was going down. The 9/11 coincidence may have been cover upon cover with the Admin attempting additional cover to hide he real truth.

    Of course this is speculation, but the story will not go away. Some pundit or journalist I read today suggested that an Obama loss would do him better than a win with this story hovering on the back burners.


  64. lobo91
    64 | November 2, 2012 10:11 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    I certainly hope it doesn’t go away.


  65. Canoe Convoy
    65 | November 2, 2012 10:21 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    If true, that seems like a plausible explanation to me.


  66. song_and_dance_man
    66 | November 2, 2012 10:26 pm

    Some are saying that nothing could’ve have really been done during the Benghazi assault.

    It makes sense coming from an uninitiated chair where the deployment of forces would have had little effect due to the time it would take us to respond.

    The failure to react didn’t come after the attack, but rather from the Admins and/or the calls for support before the incident.


  67. song_and_dance_man
    67 | November 2, 2012 10:32 pm

    Let me edit that

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    The failure to react didn’t come after the attack, but rather from the Admins non response to the calls for support before the incident.


  68. lobo91
    68 | November 2, 2012 10:34 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    The failure to react didn’t come after the attack, but rather from the Admins and/or the calls for support before the incident.

    Absolutely. Their own emails show that they knew the consulate wasn’t defensible, yet they refused to do anything about it.

    I’ve worked with State Department RSOs before. Most of them are pretty sharp. A lot of them are former Special Ops people.


  69. brookly red
    69 | November 2, 2012 10:36 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    The failure to react didn’t come after the attack, but rather from the Admins and/or the calls for support before the incident.

    he was set up, why is it taking people so long to realize it…


  70. song_and_dance_man
    70 | November 2, 2012 10:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Absolutely. Their own emails show that they knew the consulate wasn’t defensible, yet they refused to do anything about it.

    I’ve worked with State Department RSOs before. Most of them are pretty sharp. A lot of them are former Special Ops people.

    It implies something was going down that was mighty important for Chair. I cannot guess the reason, but the reason for not sending more RSO’s in aid is something that may be left to a Senate inquiry.

    The whole thing smacks of collusion where the game got bent in OT.


  71. lobo91
    71 | November 2, 2012 10:50 pm

    @ brookly red:

    he was set up, why is it taking people so long to realize it…

    If you mean that someone in the administration deliberately wanted him to be killed, I’m not willing to make that leap, at least without some evidence of motive.

    Like everything else this administration does, incompetence and arrogance are simpler explanations.


  72. brookly red
    72 | November 2, 2012 10:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    he was set up, why is it taking people so long to realize it…

    If you mean that someone in the administration deliberately wanted him to be killed, I’m not willing to make that leap, at least without some evidence of motive.

    Like everything else this administration does, incompetence and arrogance are simpler explanations.

    well I respect you for even responding, I know it is hard to comprehend but when you look at the timeline it is hard think anything else.


  73. brookly red
    73 | November 2, 2012 10:56 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    The whole thing smacks of collusion where the game got bent in OT.

    define collusion.


  74. 74 | November 2, 2012 10:58 pm

    Wow just saw this woman on Fox, A10 pilot, my favorite combat close air support, oh hell my favorite combat plane ever, and she’s running for
    congress. What a woman, I just wish I had heard about her before now so I could have thrown a few dollars her way.
    Martha McSally


  75. song_and_dance_man
    75 | November 2, 2012 10:59 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    he was set up, why is it taking people so long to realize it…

    The Ambassador was a patsy?

    Whatever was happening within his appointment during the time prior to the attack must’ve been known,if not well known. The danger was sufficient enough for him to call for additional help.

    I have no idea about his real motives for taking the appointment, but taking a post in Libya whenever the Arab Spring began to flower, and Qaddafi was knifed in the butt, should have been a slight signal to get out.


  76. 76 | November 2, 2012 11:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    If you mean that someone in the administration deliberately wanted him to be killed, I’m not willing to make that leap, at least without some evidence of motive.

    No way did this help the administration in any conceivable way therefore it was not an objective. Rather it was something that their convoluted outlook on the world could not conceive of and therefore when the inevitable happened they had to invent a narrative that fit their world view.


  77. song_and_dance_man
    77 | November 2, 2012 11:08 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    define collusion.

    Here

    he was set up, why is it taking people so long to realize it…

    I didn’t go there, but there is some indication something else/facts were in work behind the narrative we’ve been fed. The story is half done and realized, but as the facts come out that collusion that you jumped to may pan out.


  78. lobo91
    78 | November 2, 2012 11:12 pm

    @ Rancher:

    No way did this help the administration in any conceivable way therefore it was not an objective.

    Exactly.


  79. brookly red
    79 | November 2, 2012 11:14 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    The story is half done and realized, but as the facts come out that collusion that you jumped to may pan out

    I didn’t jump to it I said it from day one and yes it does seem to be panning out.


  80. song_and_dance_man
    80 | November 2, 2012 11:32 pm

    Rancher wrote:

    No way did this help the administration in any conceivable way therefore it was not an objective.

    It didn’t help the Admin, but rather hurt it. There is something we know nothing about, for now, of a calculated risk that led Chairs Admin to disregard the calls for help from the Consulate. Was it dis-regard no time for you right now kind of mentality?

    I now think it was just another bumble from an inept POTUS who has no idea what his Muslim Outreach and foreign affairs would spawn. But then again he may have known that his influence might garner the response he sought and now 4 died with no help from his quasi purchase.


  81. unclassifiable
    81 | November 3, 2012 12:38 pm

    So…

    1) We don’t know why Stevens was in Benghazi.

    2) We won’t know why no attempt was made to provide him security after repeated request.

    3) We don’t know why they (the 4 Americans) were killed other than they were virtually unprotected American officials and staff.

    1) The coordination of efforts to snatch SAMs sounds plausible given the witches brew of Anti-American Terrorist Elements (AATEs) involved in the rebel’s command. The Administration is running out the clock until election day and then they will pull the old “national security” crap.

    2)”We did not want to inflame Libyan passions at this volatile time.” WTF???!!!! We helped the assholes and apparently American passions are of no consequence to this Administration.

    3)Well let’s go back to #1. SAMs are pretty valuable and if some one was taking 20K of them out of MY country after I had just won a civil war (albeit with our help supposedly) I might be disposed to kill those folks.

    Here’s a threat Dims. If WE lose this election but retain the House there will be a non-stop parade of Administration officials testifying about all this crap.


  82. skiyryder
    82 | November 4, 2012 2:20 am

    This one goes out to all my friends who also claimed I was “not right” in the head to believe it would be a landslide against Obama. My faith in the American people would not allow me to believe they would reelect this cult leader. Obama may end up being the best thing that EVER happened to the conservative movement…we are awake…and no longer silent…


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