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US Military Working Dog Teams National Monument

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Filed under Dog Day Afternoon, Military, Open thread at November 2nd, 2012 - 2:00 pm

Here’s to America’s military dogs and their human handlers!

Artist's model of US War Dogs monument
Artist’s model of US War Dogs monument

GOP USA: New national monument to honor war dogs

By Sue Manning October 30, 2012 12:00 pm

LOS ANGELES, Calif. – The act of Congress is in the books, the bills are paid, the sculptures are being cast, and one of the biggest parades in the world will start a glory tour and countdown to dedication.

The first national monument to pay tribute to military dogs will be unveiled in California in just two months. The U.S. Working Dog Teams National Monument will honour every dog that has served in combat since World War II.

Some cities, cemeteries and military bases across the country already have such memorials. But none has been elevated to national monument level, where it will be in the company of the Statue of Liberty,Yosemite National Park and Mount Rushmore National Memorial.

In 2000, John Burnam, a 65-year-old veteran military dog handler, wrote a book called “Dog Tags of Courage.” A year later, he got an email from a reader wondering why there were no national monuments to the dogs of war.

In “Dog Tags” and a 2008 book, “A Soldier’s Best Friend,” Burnam wrote about his time with the Army’s 44th Scout Dog Platoon when he was in Vietnam in 1967 and 1968.

His first dog, Timber, was injured in an ambush a few months after they teamed up, so he spent most of his tour with a German shepherd named Clipper.

“He saved my life and saved the lives of others by alerting on ambushes, snipers and booby traps. I wanted to give something back to these animals that have done so much and asked for so little, except for food and water and the love of their handlers,” said Burnam, who received the Legion of Merit, Bronze Star and Purple Heart.

Back then, handlers were not able to adopt their dogs when they were retired.

“I always worried about them but I know they died over there and they died as heroes,” he said.

In 2004, Burnam and two other dog handler veterans pursued the idea in earnest, forming the John Burnam Monument Foundation Inc. But it took two more years, until he met Rep. Walter B. Jones, R-N.C., that the monument project started to take shape.

In 2007, Jones introduced legislation authorizing establishment of the monument. Passed unanimously by Congress, it was signed the next year by President George W. Bush, then amended and signed by President Barack Obama.

Burnam designed the monument, which depicts the modern military handler and four dogs — a Doberman, German shepherd, Labrador retriever and Belgian Malinois, all breeds used in wars.

The silicon bronze handler stands more than 9 feet tall and weighs 1,500 pounds. Each dog is about 5 feet tall and weighs 550 pounds. Burnam called them “hero-sized.”

The figures will stand on a pedestal, in front of a large granite wall. One side of the wall will have photos etched in black marble veneer showing dog teams in combat from the different wars. The other side will have an inscription written by Burnam.

The sculptor, Paula Slater, said it was the largest and most complex monument she had ever done. She worked for thousands of hours, saying that finishing a project of that size “is like giving birth to a baby — five of them.”

The money for the monument came slowly. Burnam made one of many fundraising pitches on the reality TV show “Who Let the Dogs Out,” featuring Tillman, the skateboarding, surfing and snowboarding bulldog. The president of New Balance Pet Foods Inc., the company that Tillman represents, attended the show taping and volunteered to pitch in more than $1 million.

“Don’t do a thing. Natural Balance and Petco (Animal Supplies Inc.) will take care of it,” Joey Herrick said. To raise funds for the monument and its maintenance, Natural Balance created a jerky bark treat sold by Petco. Maddie’s Fund, a family-funded pet rescue foundation, also signed on as a corporate sponsor.

The public will get a sneak peak of the monument at the Tournament of Roses parade in Pasadena on Jan. 1, when a floral replica will be used as Natural Balance’s float. Burnam, dogs and handlers from every military service branch will ride on it.

When the float goes on display afterward at Victory Park, the real bronze monument will make its public debut next to it, Herrick said. Then the bronze monument will go on tour as it heads to Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio. The location was chosen as the site for the monument because that’s where most of the nation’s military’s dogs are trained.

Meanwhile, Tillman, the dog that helped get Burnam the monument funding, is also getting personal recognition for his military service. For his work entertaining troops at bases and for going through a mini Marine boot camp, the athletic bulldog has been made an honorary private 1st class.

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  1. lobo91
    1 | November 2, 2012 2:24 pm

    Woof!


  2. 2 | November 2, 2012 2:27 pm

    Harry Reid says he will not work with Romney:

    Today, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pledged to stonewall any attempt by Mitt Romney to pass his agenda if elected. “Mitt Romney’s fantasy that Senate Democrats will work with him to pass his ‘severely conservative’ agenda is laughable,” spat Reid. Of course, when Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) suggested two years into President Obama’s presidency (after the stimulus package and Obamacare) that Obama’s failures to lead in bipartisan fashion made his defeat his first political priority, the left went insane; they still cite the line as evidence that McConnell wouldn’t let Obama get anything done. But Reid is doing it before Romney even takes office.

    We need to take the Senate as well as the Presidency if we want to save this country. The Democrats are trying to destroy us. The last four years should have made that clear. FOr the last two years Reid has blocked Any kind of budget for America, preferring to have Obama blow an extra trillion dollars a year to put us far enough in debt that we are in the shape of Greece except without anyone to bail us out. This is their tactic. It is not some accident, mistake, or the act of well-meaning fools. They intend to destroy us.


  3. Storagemanager
    3 | November 2, 2012 2:32 pm

    Rush to Brian Williams at NBC….have you heard about Benghazi Brian…four people died there and your network is covering it up.


  4. Storagemanager
    4 | November 2, 2012 2:34 pm

    The vice jester

    Biden: “There’s Never Been A Day In The Last Four Years I’ve Been Proud To Be His Vice President”… http://weaselzippers.us/


  5. darkwords
    5 | November 2, 2012 2:37 pm

    OT: Navajo codetalker dies.


  6. 6 | November 2, 2012 2:42 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    A further note: Reid wouldn’t be saying this if he thought Obama was going to win. There’d be no point in it. The only reason to say this is if he is greatly concerned that Obama is going to lose. The confident/wise response would have been “I’m not worried about it” when asked if he could work with Romney.


  7. lobo91
    7 | November 2, 2012 2:43 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Right


  8. huckfunn
    8 | November 2, 2012 2:43 pm

    Yesterday I asked the question “where do several million people without water and power go to poop?”.
    Here is the answer.


  9. lobo91
    9 | November 2, 2012 2:45 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    With any luck, though, Reid won’t be the majority leader again even if the Dems do retain the Senate.

    I think a lot of them are tired of his crap. He’s been a disaster for them.


  10. darkwords
    10 | November 2, 2012 2:50 pm

    @ 3 Storagemanager: That question needs to be shouted out more. It is interesting how the media is very interested in a sensitive social consciousness when it comes to a killer storm. And is insensitive to killer muslims. It suggests to me that they aren’t really sensitive to death at all, but are trying to hide their personal vacant characters behind the deaths of a few innocents.

    The storm is a chance for them to project the lie that they are good people via their concerns for life.


  11. darkwords
    11 | November 2, 2012 2:52 pm

    @ 8 huckfunn: Central park if you are a Republican, your neighbors back yard while they are asleep and unawares if you are Democrat.


  12. 12 | November 2, 2012 2:56 pm

    Good news from Wisconsin:

    About 2,500 people waited up to 90 minutes to get into the rally, with hundreds more in an outside holding area.

    We’ll see if these numbers turn into winning numbers of votes. Romney is drawing big crowds, though. I think we’ll win Wisconsin. Had Scott Walker lost, I would put Wisconsin out of reach, but Walker won. Kleefisch won. We won the Senate re-call elections (except for one), and the Supreme Court election. I think Wisconsin will fall to Romney next Tuesday, and with it the Presidency. Polls show it tied, and I think most of the ties will go to the challenger. People who are undecided at this stage will either vote for Romney or they will stay home. They’ve already decided against Obama.


  13. huckfunn
    13 | November 2, 2012 2:57 pm

    @ darkwords:
    That makes sense. Do you live up there?


  14. lobo91
    14 | November 2, 2012 2:58 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I just don’t see any enthusiasm on the Obama side.

    “Four more years” of what? Unemployment? High gas prices? Islamists taking over the Middle East?

    Sorry, but I don’t see that being outweighed by free contraceptives.


  15. 15 | November 2, 2012 2:59 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I don’ tknow. The Democrats are all kinds of dumb. They made Nancy Pelosie Minority Leader after they got kicked out of the House. I could easily see them keeping Reid on as Minority Leader if they lose the Senate and White House. Maybe not if they lose both, though. If they wind up losing the House, Senate, and White House, maybe they’ll see it as the big rejection that they have gotten from the public and change their tune. I doubt it, though. I could see them filibustering the next budget if that happens. We’ll need to be able to peel some Democrats off to get anything done in the Senate.


  16. huckfunn
    16 | November 2, 2012 3:00 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I also think the people in Wisconsin have election fatigue and many are pissed at the unions and dims for putting the electorate through the political wringer for failed causes.


  17. 17 | November 2, 2012 3:00 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    The vice jester
    Biden: “There’s Never Been A Day In The Last Four Years I’ve Been Proud To Be His Vice President”… http://weaselzippers.us/

    Ya know, he did say that he always means what he says, and I’ll have to take him at his word.


  18. lobo91
    18 | November 2, 2012 3:00 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Remember, if you’re on Staten Island with no house, no food, and no power, you can go online to see where Obama’s appearing today to take a victory lap.
    //


  19. bluliner10
    19 | November 2, 2012 3:03 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I wonder if he will be an awards presenter at the NYC Marathon!


  20. lobo91
    20 | November 2, 2012 3:05 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I wonder if he will be an awards presenter at the NYC Marathon!

    Probably.

    Hey, if people need water, they can go run the marathon! They always pass out cups of water.
    //


  21. 21 | November 2, 2012 3:05 pm

    @ lobo91:

    No, if you asked me my gut feeling on this, I’d say we have th ePresidency won. I am somewhat concerned about voter fraud, but I don’t think they can steal three states. Obama has to win Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania to win th ePresidency, and I don’t see him being able to pull that off. I think he’ll get one of the three (most likely Pennsylvania), but I don’t think he’ll get all three. That said, I am going to be nervous as a cat in a room full of rocking chairs until we get the definitive answer on the sixth or seventh.

    I don’ tknow if we’ll get the Senate, though. I think that is going to depend on Romney’s margin of victory. If he wins big enough, we’ll win the Senate. If he squeaks through with 270 Electoral Votes, we probably won’t. That’s my gut feel for the race. I think it is pretty much set in stone now, though. I don’t think there is much that either candidate could do now to affect the race one way or another. Benghazi isn’t going to blow up until after the election, and Romney isn’t going to make a career-ending gaffe.


  22. lobo91
    22 | November 2, 2012 3:07 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I don’t think there is much that either candidate could do now to affect the race one way or another. Benghazi isn’t going to blow up until after the election, and Romney isn’t going to make a career-ending gaffe.

    Yup.


  23. Storagemanager
    23 | November 2, 2012 3:14 pm

    Obama Campaign Tries To Hold “Catholics For Obama” Rally In Colorado . . . Only 45 People Show Up… http://weaselzippers.us/


  24. citizen_q
    24 | November 2, 2012 3:17 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I don’ tknow. The Democrats are all kinds of dumb.

    Yep, heck I got into an argument with someone last week who still likes jimmy carter.


  25. heysoos
    25 | November 2, 2012 3:17 pm

    while drivers are freaking out trying to find gas around NYC, the gas is there but the electricity is not…meanwhile Bloomberg is sitting on three huge generators, waiting for the marathon…you think NY’s are gonna forget that?…there is so much wrong with this whole storm


  26. 26 | November 2, 2012 3:19 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Funny how the media is not reporting this. If the President was Republican they would blame him for that.


  27. 27 | November 2, 2012 3:20 pm

    @ heysoos:

    This is worse than Katrina. Yet Obama is be heralded as an awesome storm manager! This is just sick.


  28. heysoos
    28 | November 2, 2012 3:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    This is worse than Katrina. Yet Obama is be heralded as an awesome storm manager! This is just sick.

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    This is worse than Katrina. Yet Obama is be heralded as an awesome storm manager! This is just sick.

    truth and reality now share equal value


  29. 29 | November 2, 2012 3:23 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Yup Juche American style.


  30. 30 | November 2, 2012 3:24 pm

    Welly, welly, welly, well! This is interesting:

    In total, since 2008 in these 8 states:
    Independent registration has increased 969,589, or 14.4%, and now stands at 7,697,565;
    Republican registration has increased by 158,037, or 1.3%, and now stands at 12,047,112; and,
    Democratic registration has decreased by 372,827, or 2.5%, and now stands at 14,723,535.

    Democratic registration was down over 800,000 in our August voter registration report. Since then, Democrats have added 427,502 to the voter rolls just in these 8 states.

    In 6 states—Colorado, Florida, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania—Independent registration has grown faster than either Democratic or Republican registration. In Iowa, Republicans gained while Democrats and, to a lesser extent, Independents fell. In New Hampshire, voter registration fell across the board, but Republicans shed the fewest voters. And in 5 states—Colorado, Florida, Nevada, New Mexico, and North Carolina—Independent registration increased by double digits, the largest a gain of 25.2% in Colorado and the smallest 19.5% in Nevada.

    This is =from a Liberal group, Third Way. There is a graph at Hot Air. Notice that Pennsylvania has lost 5% of her Democrats. That makes a big difference when you have polls using D+13 for Pennsylvania. And notice the jump in independents. Every poll, including PPP, shows Romney with significant leads among independents. IF there are a lot more of them this time around, they could be an even bigger slice of the pie, and if they break heavily for Romney, that plus an actual break of only D+1 or D+2 could be the difference between winning and winning big. All the pieces are there indicating that Romney will win, though I am not confident of a landslide like Dick Morris.


  31. 31 | November 2, 2012 3:25 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    from a Liberal group, Third Way.

    It’s funny, Mussolini called Fascism the 3rd Way! Something to think about.


  32. 32 | November 2, 2012 3:28 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    He probably thinks Reagan was a bad President, too. I’ve ran into the type. They can be relatively intelligent otherwise, but politically they re dumb as a box of rocks.


  33. Guggi
    34 | November 2, 2012 3:28 pm


  34. 35 | November 2, 2012 3:30 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yeah, and the leaders of the group probably know that. Back during the Clinton Administration they often quoted or paraphrased Mussolini on individual rights. Maybe they didn’t realize that they were quoting fascist doctrine, but I’ve read Mussolini, and it stood out like a sore thumb to me.


  35. Guggi
    36 | November 2, 2012 3:35 pm


  36. heysoos
    37 | November 2, 2012 3:35 pm

    @ Guggi:
    years ago I had a male Husky/Malamute pup who died from pneumonia…later I was driving through FT Custer (MI)looked over and saw the state police training dogs…there were quite a few locals watching…I was dumbfounded when I saw these dogs climbing fences, going up and over 8-10ft wooden walls, attacking foes etc….in one exercise where a man went down and another flew to protect it…I immediately went out and found the highest quality German Shepherd I could find….he lived 16yrs and was the finest animal God ever made…just unbelievably smart and loyal


  37. 38 | November 2, 2012 3:36 pm

    @ ferb123:

    Ties usually go to the challenger, but this points to something I’ve been saying: this is a turnout election. It is in converting likely voters to actual voters that this campaign will be won or lost. Romney apparently has a good ground game going in early voting in Ohio, and the word I am getting from people that I know in the State is universally positive. We’ll know in less than five days, I assume. Rasmussen also thinks that Wisconsin, not Ohio, will be the pivotal State this time around, and Wisconsin will fall to Romney. It is tied in the polls, but the same electoral machine that won the last four elections will win next Tuesday. Remember, none of these telephone polls decide anything. The poll next Tuesday is really the only one that matters.


  38. 39 | November 2, 2012 3:38 pm

    New York might be in play all of a sudden. Interesting article at Hill Buzz.


  39. 40 | November 2, 2012 3:39 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Oh, and it’s too late for Obama to build any momentum. All he can do at this stage is try to blunt Romney’s momentum. How successful he’ll be at that is anybody’s guess, but he doesn’t appear to have done much over the last couple of weeks to do it. You can’t really take a one point fluctuation in a poll with a 3% margin of error as dispositive of anything. It is just bouncing around in the margin of error. Again, basic statistics.


  40. heysoos
    41 | November 2, 2012 3:40 pm

    liberals cannot defeat conservatives at the polls, impossible if they get off their ass and vote…that’s why Fists enthusiasm is growing on me…the two party system works best when the independent numbers are large….ironically, partisanship hurts everybody….the broadest color in the spectrum is the purple in the middle


  41. 42 | November 2, 2012 3:40 pm

    @ PaladinPhil:

    I’ll only believe that if Romney somehow manages to win New York, but if it were even in play Romney would be winning in a landslide. If Obama has to fight for New York, he’s going to lose Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Ohio.


  42. darkwords
    43 | November 2, 2012 3:41 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I don’t think Obama did enough to stop the hurricane. He could at least have sent the secret service led by Kanye West to stop the weather machines run by George Bush and Dick Cheney. They must still be operating them.


  43. ferb123
    44 | November 2, 2012 3:43 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    Ties usually go to the challenger, but this points to something I’ve been saying: this is a turnout election. It is in converting likely voters to actual voters that this campaign will be won or lost. Romney apparently has a good ground game going in early voting in Ohio, and the word I am getting from people that I know in the State is universally positive. We’ll know in less than five days, I assume. Rasmussen also thinks that Wisconsin, not Ohio, will be the pivotal State this time around, and Wisconsin will fall to Romney. It is tied in the polls, but the same electoral machine that won the last four elections will win next Tuesday. Remember, none of these telephone polls decide anything. The poll next Tuesday is really the only one that matters.

    but nearly all other pollster say Obama is slightly leading in Ohio, so it is not really a tie (only in rasmussen poll)
    If Obama wins Ohio the race is over.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/oh/ohio_romney_vs_obama-1860.html


  44. Guggi
    45 | November 2, 2012 3:44 pm

    @ heysoos:

    My father loved German shepards and trained them as rescue dogs in the mountains but his absolute favorite was a shepard crossbreed whom he saved from being euthanized because the dog was so dangerous. The dog was the most intelligent and loyal dog he ever had. He told incredible stories about this dog and how they rescued people in the mountains.


  45. 46 | November 2, 2012 3:44 pm

    Alabama crews are denying that the unions wouldn’t let them help with the hurricane damage:

    NEW YORK Alabama power companies are denying a local TV station’s report that linemen who had traveled to New Jersey from Alabama (a right to work state) to help restore power to those hit hard by Superstorm Sandy were told they could not work there because they were non-union.

    The report by WAFF TV quotes a worker from Decatur Utilities saying he was told by crews in New Jersey they could not work there, after the utility receiving a call to assist in Seaside Heights, N.J.

    The Decatur employee told WAFF that crews were told to stand down, and that linemen from Trinity, Ala.-based Joe Wheeler are already headed back home. Moore said they are frustrated being told, “Thanks, but no thanks.”

    However, Decatur Utilities, based in Decatur, Ala., denied the report.

    A misunderstanding? The unions have to understand how bad that would look.


  46. Storagemanager
    47 | November 2, 2012 3:45 pm

    Woman, 29, Arrested After Being Spotted Masturbating Inside A Starbucks In Florida http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/masturbation/starbucks-masturbator-647093


  47. heysoos
    48 | November 2, 2012 3:46 pm

    @ Guggi:
    I believe anything when it comes to a good dog…I’ve seen it with my own eyes…I could write my own little book…I was very fortunate


  48. citizen_q
    49 | November 2, 2012 3:50 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    It was a she, and a friend of my wife. She’s a die-hard dem, and in love with Carter for his supposed help in Argentina, where her husband is from.

    Not being familiar with the topic I could not speak to it. If he did do some good, well even a blind pig finds a truffle now and then.


  49. 50 | November 2, 2012 3:52 pm

    @ ferb123:

    As I’ve repeatedly told you, if Obama wins Ohio, it is not all over. Obama has to win Ohio, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania to win. Has to. He can’t afford to lose one of those states. But all of the polls I’ve seen that are credible on Ohio show it statistically tied. Really, you need to take a statistics class. Up by one or two points doesn’t mean you are winning if the margin of error is 3 points. The way some of these polls cook the books is in manipulating the margin of error. I’ve seen polls this election cycle showing Obama up by 8, but with a 10% margin of error. That high a margin of error means the whole poll is essentially worthless, but it made Obama look good. I think you are going to be sorely disappointed in our election Tuesday. Romney is goig to win. The only real question is how big a win it is going to be.


  50. 51 | November 2, 2012 3:54 pm

    With much of the NY/NJ in tatters, the economy in crisis, tens of millions of people without work and without any hope of that changing, lives permanently ruined and four years of presidential incompetence, at home and abroad, this man actually has the temerity to say “voting is the best revenge”.

    The sombitch can’t even bring himself to exact revenge on the perpetrators of the Libyan atrocity, yet he preaches revenge on Romney?!

    Good God, he makes me physically sick.


  51. heysoos
    52 | November 2, 2012 3:55 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    bro, I don’t know why you do it…anyway I for one appreciate the effort to find and relate these various polls, how they work and what they mean….thank you for that


  52. 53 | November 2, 2012 3:59 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    You’re kind of a big ol’ gun toting’ tattooed geek, aren’t you? ;)


  53. Lily
    54 | November 2, 2012 3:59 pm

    They are already getting caught cheating in Ohio and what does our president have to say about this?????? Of course he doesn’t care when laws are broken he breaks them himself.

    A Vote for Romney — Goes to Obama?

    Claims increase of machines switching votes in Ohio, other battlegrounds

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/02/claims-increasing-switched-votes-in-ohio/#ixzz2B657oNeC


  54. heysoos
    55 | November 2, 2012 4:00 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    I hear you…I am usually pretty ambivalent toward pols and elections…but this time I feel my sensibilities are being insulted…I can tolerate a lot of bullshit but BO has taxed me dry…I really despise this asshole…he’s not just ideologically wrong, he’s aggressively malicious about it


  55. 56 | November 2, 2012 4:00 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Not a problem. It is something I love to do. I’ve got a degree in political science that makes meno money, but it does give me the background to realize when someone is trying to pull something on me. I’ve had the statistics and polling classe. Doing honest polls is hard. OTOH, it is easy to do a poll to get you a pre-determined answer. There’s all kinds of ways to skew a poll while still being “valid” enough to fool people that don’t look at your methodology and questions.


  56. 57 | November 2, 2012 4:01 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Very much so. I’m a computer programmer by trade :)


  57. Lily
    58 | November 2, 2012 4:01 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    People are getting more angry….this is just going to go downhill as each day passes. Where is the outrage from the media about what is going on? Like the outrage against Bush concerning Katrina. People should have food to at least last a few days.


  58. Lily
    59 | November 2, 2012 4:03 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    With any luck, though, Reid won’t be the majority leader again even if the Dems do retain the Senate.

    I think a lot of them are tired of his crap. He’s been a disaster for them.

    From your words to God’s ears…I’m sick of Reid, he is disgusting.


  59. ferb123
    60 | November 2, 2012 4:06 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    As I’ve repeatedly told you, if Obama wins Ohio, it is not all over. Obama has to win Ohio, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania to win. Has to. He can’t afford to lose one of those states. But all of the polls I’ve seen that are credible on Ohio show it statistically tied. Really, you need to take a statistics class. Up by one or two points doesn’t mean you are winning if the margin of error is 3 points. The way some of these polls cook the books is in manipulating the margin of error. I’ve seen polls this election cycle showing Obama up by 8, but with a 10% margin of error. That high a margin of error means the whole poll is essentially worthless, but it made Obama look good. I think you are going to be sorely disappointed in our election Tuesday. Romney is goig to win. The only real question is how big a win it is going to be.

    Obama has a comfortable lead in Pennsylavia. Even rasmussen see Obama leading there with 5% points.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/pa/pennsylvania_romney_vs_obama-1891.html

    Wisconsin looks like Ohio. All pollsters see Obama leading, except Rasmussen who have tie.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/wi/wisconsin_romney_vs_obama-1871.html

    So looks like 4 more Obama years :)


  60. Lily
    61 | November 2, 2012 4:06 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 3 Storagemanager: That question needs to be shouted out more. It is interesting how the media is very interested in a sensitive social consciousness when it comes to a killer storm. And is insensitive to killer muslims. It suggests to me that they aren’t really sensitive to death at all, but are trying to hide their personal vacant characters behind the deaths of a few innocents.

    The storm is a chance for them to project the lie that they are good people via their concerns for life.

    Actually the storm is showing obama’s lack
    of concern in my opinion. Red Cross is stuck on stupid, FEMA is handing out cards to buy stuff that isn’t there, yet Mitt Romney’s donated food was a help. Obama, state and local government is failing the people big time. Obama is too busy campaigning right now.


  61. Storagemanager
    62 | November 2, 2012 4:07 pm

    Biden’s gift for reading people played a role in the endorsement. He and Bloomberg have been friendly for years, and have played golf together. The V.P. had called the mayor over the weekend, and the had talked several times this week about Sandy. Then yesterday morning, Biden was in Davenport, Iowa, about to go to church for All Saints’ Day. Finally, he made the ask, nudging Bloomberg toward the endorsement: “Mike, there’s too much at stake. We really need you to do this.” And the mayor did. http://weaselzippers.us/


  62. Lily
    63 | November 2, 2012 4:10 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Good news from Wisconsin:

    About 2,500 people waited up to 90 minutes to get into the rally, with hundreds more in an outside holding area.

    We’ll see if these numbers turn into winning numbers of votes. Romney is drawing big crowds, though. I think we’ll win Wisconsin. Had Scott Walker lost, I would put Wisconsin out of reach, but Walker won. Kleefisch won. We won the Senate re-call elections (except for one), and the Supreme Court election. I think Wisconsin will fall to Romney next Tuesday, and with it the Presidency. Polls show it tied, and I think most of the ties will go to the challenger. People who are undecided at this stage will either vote for Romney or they will stay home. They’ve already decided against Obama.

    IF this is something the media is most certainly burying…obama is not, repeat not drawing big crowds…Romney is drawing huge crowds. The media were all over the amount of people obama was drawing in 2008….they aren’t mentioning anything about the crowds obama is drawing this election cycle…because it would look bad.


  63. citizen_q
    64 | November 2, 2012 4:12 pm

    @ Lily:
    Did he do anything more than spend a few hours for a dog and pony show cheerled by chirsti filled with empty promises?


  64. 65 | November 2, 2012 4:14 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    I hear you…I am usually pretty ambivalent toward pols and elections…but this time I feel my sensibilities are being insulted…I can tolerate a lot of bullshit but BO has taxed me dry…I really despise this asshole…he’s not just ideologically wrong, he’s aggressively malicious about it

    It’s not just about politics, it’s a lot scarier than Republican/Democrat/Conservative/liberal policy differences. Obama said he wanted to “fundamentally change America” -- that was unacceptable in 2008 and it’s even more unacceptable now that we’ve gotten a good picture of what that change looks like.


  65. Lily
    66 | November 2, 2012 4:15 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Obama Campaign Tries To Hold “Catholics For Obama” Rally In Colorado . . . Only 45 People Show Up… http://weaselzippers.us/

    What a damn disgrace he would want to hold a Catholic’s for obama Rally. Glad only 45 showed up. He has pissed the Catholic Church off and has waged war against it. This is insulting to do this.


  66. Lily
    67 | November 2, 2012 4:18 pm

    @ ferb123:

    They are doing it with fraud and why in the hell do continue to beat the drums for obama when you don’t have to live in this country?
    /I honestly do not expect an answer and if you say George Bush ..he isn’t on the ballot this year.


  67. 68 | November 2, 2012 4:20 pm

    @ Lily:

    I’d be willing to bet those 45 were Obama staffers; I mean, it isn’t like we have a secret handshake….you know, like they paraded those “doctors” with lab coats for the health care bill.


  68. 69 | November 2, 2012 4:21 pm

    @ Guggi:

    I have always owned only German Shepherds. I absolutely love them.


  69. Lily
    70 | November 2, 2012 4:24 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Yeah voting is the best revenge into throwing this Chicago thug out.
    /lots of women behind him …he is still projecting this war on women theme is my guess.


  70. 71 | November 2, 2012 4:25 pm

    @ ferb123:

    If Obama wins, how does that help you?


  71. 72 | November 2, 2012 4:26 pm

    @ ferb123:
    It is all in who shows up at the polls. It really does matter who votes and who they vote for. That is why I keep stressing the importance of enthusiasm. You point out that Rasmussen has Obama up by five, but you don’t really know what that means. 3%margin of error means he could be up as little as 2 points in real voting, and you can make up two points in get out the vote efforts. So PA is still very doable. Romney obviously feels it is, because he is campaigning there Sunday.


  72. 73 | November 2, 2012 4:27 pm

    @ ferb123:

    Read about PA.


  73. ferb123
    74 | November 2, 2012 4:28 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    They are doing it with fraud and why in the hell do continue to beat the drums for obama when you don’t have to live in this country?
    /I honestly do not expect an answer and if you say George Bush ..he isn’t on the ballot this year.

    ok you catch me. I want Obama to win because I like to see Ann Coulter mocking Obama for 4 more years
    XDDDDDDDDD


  74. Lily
    75 | November 2, 2012 4:29 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Did he do anything more than spend a few hours for a dog and pony show cheerled by chirsti filled with empty promises?

    He was out of there quicker than a kid in the kitchen grabbing some cookies and hears momma coming. All it was …was a photo-op and straight to Vegas! Oh yeah he is really concerned/NOT!


  75. Lily
    76 | November 2, 2012 4:31 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I’d be willing to bet those 45 were Obama staffers; I mean, it isn’t like we have a secret handshake….you know, like they paraded those “doctors” with lab coats for the health care bill.

    You know what you are probably correct…because obama has a lot of staffers…he is going to lose the Catholic vote and the Hispanic vote too because they are mainly Catholic also.


  76. Guggi
    77 | November 2, 2012 4:31 pm

    Lily wrote:

    and why in the hell do continue to beat the drums for obama when you don’t have to live in this country?

    Oh c’mmon, he is so incredible brave to fight for a politician in a far away country in the internet instead of going out at home and fight for -- hmmm -- a leftwing politician from Turkish or Arab descent in Germany. I gues wants be looked at as European “intellectual” :-P


  77. Lily
    78 | November 2, 2012 4:32 pm

    @ ferb123:

    That is not an answer…you are defleating away from the question.


  78. Guggi
    79 | November 2, 2012 4:33 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    gues

    maybe this should read “guess he” ?


  79. darkwords
    80 | November 2, 2012 4:35 pm

    @ 78 Lily: I don’t think ferb answers questions.. too risky.


  80. Lily
    81 | November 2, 2012 4:35 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    and why in the hell do continue to beat the drums for obama when you don’t have to live in this country?

    Oh c’mmon, he is so incredible brave to fight for a politician in a far away country in the internet instead of going out at home and fight for — hmmm — a leftwing politician from Turkish or Arab descent in Germany. I gues wants be looked at as European “intellectual”

    LOL!!!! If that he is trying to do oh dear what an epic fail! 8-)


  81. Lily
    82 | November 2, 2012 4:36 pm

    @ Lily:

    PIMF IF THAT IS WHAT HE IS TRYING TO DO


  82. citizen_q
    83 | November 2, 2012 4:36 pm

    @ Lily:

    I just don’t understand anyone who could support obama and the demoncraps. There is something wrong with them.


  83. Lily
    84 | November 2, 2012 4:37 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 78 Lily: I don’t think ferb answers questions.. too risky.

    I have noticed that. ;)


  84. 85 | November 2, 2012 4:37 pm

    @ Guggi:
    He doesn’t look very intellectual. He doesn’t even understand basic statistics. Oh, and from what I’ve heard, Rasmussen is using a D+3 sample. Gallup is expecting actual turnout to be R+1 or R+0. Either one makes most of the statistical models invalid.


  85. ferb123
    86 | November 2, 2012 4:38 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    That is not an answer…you are defleating away from the question.

    Ok next try.
    I have bet 5 millions bucks on Obama at intrade. XDDDDDD


  86. 87 | November 2, 2012 4:39 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I just don’t understand anyone who could support obama and the demoncraps. There is something wrong with them.

    Not only do they lack answers, they fundamentally misunderstand the question and refuse to have it explained to them.


  87. heysoos
    88 | November 2, 2012 4:41 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ ferb123:
    That is not an answer…you are defleating away from the question.

    Ok next try.
    I have bet 5 millions bucks on Obama at intrade. XDDDDDD

    your fake germantics changes from day to day…you are almost coherent one day, then have this ridiculous Hollywood stumble the next…if you want to continue looking stupid go ahead


  88. Lily
    89 | November 2, 2012 4:44 pm

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Lily:

    I just don’t understand anyone who could support obama and the demoncraps. There is something wrong with them.

    I honestly don’t understand it either …. but we will see in just a few days how this country will swing.

    The 2012 Choice

    This election will tell us what kind of America we believe in. Is it the one our Founders bequeathed to their posterity of limited government, or is it the one re-made in the image of liberal paternalistic government?

    The choice, as President Obama has said, could not be clearer. Is our country a giant ATM, dispensing money and benefits to increasing numbers of people while requiring little, if anything, of the recipients? Or, is America a land of opportunity where people can rise as far as their skills and desire to work will take them, with a safety net for those who need it?

    We have become a debtor nation with too many of our fellow citizens believing the productive “owe” them just for being alive. Debt shackles individuals and nations. Benjamin Franklin said: “Think what you do when you run in debt; you give to another power over your liberty.”

    Government under President Obama has reduced our liberty by expanding its power over us (think Obamacare) and deepening our debt. There is no indication things will get better if he wins a second term; quite the opposite.

    In its endorsement of Mitt Romney, the influential Des Moines Register got to the heart of the matter. It noted, “…the single most important challenge” for the next president will be “…pulling the economy out of the doldrums, getting more Americans back in the workforce in meaningful jobs with promising futures, and getting the federal government on a track to balance the budget in a bipartisan manner that the country demands.”

    http://www.patriotpost.us/opinion/15263


  89. Lily
    90 | November 2, 2012 4:47 pm

    @ ferb123:

    Honestly this has become down-right silly on your part. No actual answer at all and this answer is just downright trollish.
    People give you answers in depth and this is how you responsed?


  90. 91 | November 2, 2012 4:47 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    I have bet 5 millions bucks on Obama at intrude.

    And I’m posting this from my yacht off the coast of Sardinia.


  91. citizen_q
    92 | November 2, 2012 4:48 pm

    Later all


  92. Lily
    93 | November 2, 2012 4:49 pm

    @ citizen_q:

    Later c_q!


  93. Lily
    94 | November 2, 2012 4:55 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Well it is acting like the media to be honest…they are trying to put all sorts of blame on Romney they are swinging the idiot bat wildly around.

    Blaming Mitt Romney for deadly meningitis and other wild liberal media claims

    With just a few days left until the election, the left’s out-of-control fringe has taken control – blaming Mitt Romney for deadly meningitis or even warning that his presidency will lead to the slow killing of gays. And when they aren’t doing that, they are calling, well, somewhat tongue in cheek, for a complete halt to sex with Republicans.

    Maybe it is true about someone putting drugs in Halloween candy.

    This close to Election Day, it’s getting harder to rank the liberal arguments on a scale of 1-10 (1 being sane and 10 being bonkers.) Perhaps they need the speakers from “Spinal Tap” to measure their level of lunacy.

    At the top of the list is blaming Romney for a meningitis outbreak based on something he didn’t do. Let’s say 10.5 on the scale. Salon.writer Craig Unger pinned the recent spike in meningitis, which resulted in the deaths of 29 people, on Romney.

    Unger used one of the oldest and lamest campaign tricks. Find a lawyer to make some wacky accusation and then write about it. As it turns out, Unger was complaining about a recent problem that happened in 2012 and Romney hasn’t even been governor since 2007.

    But if Romney wasn’t killing meningitis victims, then he must be planning to kill gays. That’s according to Sirius XM “Out Q 108″ radio host and gay-left activist Michelangelo Signorile. He told one gay, pro-Romney caller that he should buy some arsenic to commit suicide, since it would be less awful than the “slow painful death” President Romney would apparently administer if he became the next inhabitant of the Oval Office.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/02/blaming-mitt-romney-for-deadly-meningitis-and-other-wild-liberal-media-claims/#ixzz2B6JQhAap


  94. ferb123
    95 | November 2, 2012 4:59 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    It is all in who shows up at the polls. It really does matter who votes and who they vote for. That is why I keep stressing the importance of enthusiasm. You point out that Rasmussen has Obama up by five, but you don’t really know what that means. 3%margin of error means he could be up as little as 2 points in real voting, and you can make up two points in get out the vote efforts. So PA is still very doable. Romney obviously feels it is, because he is campaigning there Sunday.

    I am not that bad in statistic :)
    I think the main problems of all these polls is not the statical error but the systematic errors.


  95. ferb123
    96 | November 2, 2012 5:01 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ ferb123:
    It is all in who shows up at the polls. It really does matter who votes and who they vote for. That is why I keep stressing the importance of enthusiasm. You point out that Rasmussen has Obama up by five, but you don’t really know what that means. 3%margin of error means he could be up as little as 2 points in real voting, and you can make up two points in get out the vote efforts. So PA is still very doable. Romney obviously feels it is, because he is campaigning there Sunday.

    I am not that bad in statistic
    I think the main problems of all these polls is not the statical error but the systematic errors.

    and all these poll doesnt mention any systematic errors afaik.


  96. Lily
    97 | November 2, 2012 5:02 pm

    EW reporting the news that the mainstream media isn’t????

    ‘Sons of Anarchy’ star: Storm aftermath ‘a lot worse than how it’s being portrayed by media’

    EW spoke to

    Sons of Anarchy – and Staten Island native — Theo Rossi (Juice Ortiz), who was home visiting family and friends when Sandy hit. He’s remained there ever since and gave us this first-hand account of the devastation.

    “It’s so bad here, a lot worse than how its being portrayed by the media. They are finding bodies left and right, elderly people who don’t even watch the news or who knew the storm was coming. I was just with one of my best friends from high school and college, and his house is completely gone. One story I heard was about this one guy who evacuated his house during Hurricane Irene but then it got looted. So when they told him to evacuate for Sandy, he said, ‘I’m not leaving.’ Now they can’t find him, his 13-year-old daughter is dead, and his wife is in critical condition at the hospital. These are the stories. My stepfather and my mother, I love them to death. But when they heard the storm was coming, they said, ‘It’s not going to be that bad. Irene didn’t do anything.’ They had two flashlights and a couple of scented candles. Little did they know. It’s just not worth it. If you’re told to evacuate, you need to get out.

    The one weird thing is how there is no power. The other weird thing is how there’s no gas. To get gas requires a three-and-a-half hour wait. It’s like this odd, post-apocalyptic kind of thing. Most trees are down. Power lines are down. It’s like a movie, or like The Walking Dead. You can’t believe it. Especially when you grow up here. I moved to Los Angeles in 1999, but this has always been my home. There’s the place I kissed a girl, that’s the place I played handball. I know this island in and out. To see it completely destroyed is bizarre

    .


  97. waldensianspirit
    98 | November 2, 2012 5:02 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    And I’m posting this from my yacht off the coast of Sardinia.

    How is the water today? Clear blue and marine life teaming all around?


  98. heysoos
    100 | November 2, 2012 5:06 pm

    @ ferb123:
    non too soon, people are going to quit caring what you think…if you are a german which I doubt, then you are a piss poor representative of your country…these folks here give you well thought out responses and rather than thank them for the effort you continue your game of fraud, bullshit and ill manners…are all krauts as rude as you are?…are they all as stupid as you try to be?…no wonder you are up to your knees in your own shit…after all Americans have done to help you worthless fascists out you come to this little out of the way blog of friendly people and spit on us?….fuck you adolf


  99. Lily
    101 | November 2, 2012 5:09 pm

    Strong-arming are they??

    Report: Biden Pressured Bloomberg To Endorse Obama, “Mike, There’s Too Much At Stake. We Really Need You To Do This”…

    Biden’s gift for reading people played a role in the endorsement. He and Bloomberg have been friendly for years, and have played golf together. The V.P. had called the mayor over the weekend, and the had talked several times this week about Sandy. Then yesterday morning, Biden was in Davenport, Iowa, about to go to church for All Saints’ Day. Finally, he made the ask, nudging Bloomberg toward the endorsement: “Mike, there’s too much at stake. We really need you to do this.” And the mayor did

    .

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/02/report-biden-pressured-bloomberg-to-endorse-obama-mike-theres-too-much-at-stake-we-really-need-you-to-do-this/


  100. Lily
    102 | November 2, 2012 5:11 pm

    @ heysoos:

    It is odd he comes to this blog..he would get more attention on Hot Air or Ace of Spades or any other semi-Conservative site..yet he parks here….odd isn’t it?


  101. 103 | November 2, 2012 5:13 pm

    @ Lily:

    GAZE — I tell you it’s the only solution.


  102. Lily
    104 | November 2, 2012 5:14 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Been trying to! ;)


  103. Guggi
    105 | November 2, 2012 5:15 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    then you are a piss poor representative of your country

    This I told him some days ago :-)


  104. heysoos
    106 | November 2, 2012 5:15 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    It is odd he comes to this blog..he would get more attention on Hot Air or Ace of Spades or any other semi-Conservative site..yet he parks here….odd isn’t it?

    altogether way too odd…he’s a LGF leftover who got tossed in the garbage over there…a friggin idiot swept up by his ability to troll…he’s his own hero because nobody else will have him, not even DoD


  105. Lily
    107 | November 2, 2012 5:16 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Makes perfect sense to me.


  106. heysoos
    108 | November 2, 2012 5:16 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    then you are a piss poor representative of your country
    This I told him some days ago

    and I have no beef with Germany…this guy is using them…
    sometime I just go off


  107. 109 | November 2, 2012 5:16 pm

    9 year old at Mooch rally says Romney will send all the Blacks back to the “crop field.”

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/02/9-year-old-black-boy-at-mooch-rally-if-mitt-romney-win-well-be-going-back-to-the-crop-fields/#disqus_thread

    This is like child abuse. I hope the kid can rise about the absolute morons that are apparently raising him. But of course Mitt makes a statement about China and the MSM is all over it -- but remains silent regarding the venom emanating from the Obummer/Plugs camp.


  108. 110 | November 2, 2012 5:18 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Registration is never open at Hot Air. And if it went to Ace, the morons over there would turn it into hamburger on the first thread.


  109. 111 | November 2, 2012 5:19 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Attention whores don’t care -- they come for the snacks.

    @ heysoos:

    Some of us won’t have to quit because some of us never started.


  110. heysoos
    112 | November 2, 2012 5:21 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Registration is never open at Hot Air. And if it went to Ace, the morons over there would turn it into hamburger on the first thread.

    he’s here only because you guys are nice to him, the way it should be…but he abused his vibe fucking around for attention….he thinks it’s just groovy that we are in financial straights and digs BO for putting us there


  111. Canoe Convoy
    113 | November 2, 2012 5:22 pm

    O/T: To answer Iron Fist’s question in the previous thread, Walker is putting his organization to use getting out the vote for R/R and T. Thompson for Senate. Those of us in WI 2nd Congressional District are getting little high-profile support against a D who has been in State Office since the early 1990s. The rest of the State may see Rs enter office, but, around Madison, the district will remain in D hands.

    Oh, well — I still intend to vote. My voice will be heard at the ballot box on Tuesday.


  112. 114 | November 2, 2012 5:23 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    9 year old at Mooch rally says Romney will send all the Blacks back to the “crop field.”
    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/02/9-year-old-black-boy-at-mooch-rally-if-mitt-romney-win-well-be-going-back-to-the-crop-fields/#disqus_thread
    This is like child abuse. I hope the kid can rise about the absolute morons that are apparently raising him. But of course Mitt makes a statement about China and the MSM is all over it — but remains silent regarding the venom emanating from the Obummer/Plugs camp.

    Will they have jobs in the crop field? Since this country has not had any slavery for well over a hundred years, then I would think a farm job would be OK to have, especially if you are one of Obama’s typical black people living in an American Ghetto where unemployment for black males 18 to 30 is just about 60% or so. One more win for Romney! Another job opportunity in the private sector.


  113. Lily
    115 | November 2, 2012 5:23 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I saw that and it is beyond bizarre why would a 9 year-old be worried about who is elected president and more over, thinking he will become a slave! It is child-abuse and really I am just sick of the racist card being used; Biden—-ROMNEY WILL PUT YA’LL BACK IN CHAINS! Comment was over the top…these people are living in the past. It isn’t the 1800′s and it isn’t the 1960′s either. I’ll be glad, and really hope obama is voted out, so I don’t have to hear about this backward insanity anymore. Not to mention the stupid War on Women too. I’m disgusted by it all…but they never mention obama’s record is always some imaginary *outrage* they go on about.


  114. Lily
    117 | November 2, 2012 5:24 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    Registration is never open at Hot Air. And if it went to Ace, the morons over there would turn it into hamburger on the first thread.

    *Shhhhhh* hence the reason I mentioned those two sites. 8-)


  115. heysoos
    118 | November 2, 2012 5:25 pm

    liberals…human shield children, complete with their own saints
    gag me


  116. 119 | November 2, 2012 5:25 pm

    Srill playing “Whack the Troll”? Silly waste of time if you ask me. Certainly nobody is sharpening their debating skills in all of this. But whatever…


  117. Buckeye Abroad
    120 | November 2, 2012 5:26 pm

    We had some “puppy pushers” in my old unit in Korea. Their motto was, “talk shit, get bit”.


  118. 121 | November 2, 2012 5:28 pm

    I stepped in some ferb yesterday and had to scrub the ferb out of my oxfords with a wire brush, bleach and gasoline to get the smell out. Then I felt guilty about using the gasoline that way since the poor souls in New York and New Jersey are so low on gas and other supplies.


  119. 122 | November 2, 2012 5:28 pm

    Stephen Greene wargaming the Electoral College. He comes to a similar conclusion I have, i.e. that Obama needs to win both Ohio and Wisconsin to win this thing. He has Pennsylvania leaning Obama, but that is in Obama’s must win collumn as well. It’s an interesting read. Romney has the momentum, though.

    With this kind of a sweep, there’s even an outside chance of CT, MI, or OR coming along for a ride on the Red Express.

    Likely? Hahahahahahahaha, no. But the Momentum Charts show that it is possible. They also show that Obama has, in just four years, pissed away every single gain he and his party had made in the wake of the Great Recession and the Republican meltdown. We’re fighting on his turf now.

    Even if Obama wins next week, his legacy is one of great potential that was instantly squandered.

    Mitt has the momentum, though. That much is clear. I’ll take anything that gets us over 270, though, and that looks likely. Ohio or Wisconsin will win it for us. Pennsylvania would, too. Obama has to hold all three to win. I don’t think he can do it.


  120. heysoos
    123 | November 2, 2012 5:29 pm

    liberals…
    Children Of The Corn (for ethanol, while others starve to make a point)


  121. heysoos
    124 | November 2, 2012 5:30 pm

    @ father_of_10:
    they have plenty of both to run the NYC marathon…all’s cool


  122. 125 | November 2, 2012 5:35 pm

    They’ve decided to Cancel the marathon in New York. You have to wonder why it took so long…


  123. Lily
    126 | November 2, 2012 5:35 pm

    Oh snap!

    Clint Eastwood Slams Obama On Benghazi…

    Clint Eastwood: “I find myself being very resentful about this whole thing in Benghazi. That’s been kind of a tragedy that should have never happened. Or there should have been an attempt. All that you can ask is when there is a crisis like that is to make an attempt. That is the American way.”

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/02/clint-eastwood-slams-obama-on-benghazi/


  124. heysoos
    127 | November 2, 2012 5:37 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I had a feeling….people were outraged and they should be


  125. Buckeye Abroad
    128 | November 2, 2012 5:41 pm

    @ ferb123:

    Not going to happen kid. Hope you continue to post after the 6th though. It’s entertaining. :)


  126. Lily
    129 | November 2, 2012 5:43 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Yep and they got this to look forward to….this is gonna be bad..with people having no heat.

    Near-freezing temps add to Sandy misery; potential nor’easter looms

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/02/14880382-near-freezing-temps-add-to-sandy-misery-potential-noreaster-looms?lite


  127. ferb123
    130 | November 2, 2012 5:44 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    non too soon, people are going to quit caring what you think…if you are a german which I doubt, then you are a piss poor representative of your country…these folks here give you well thought out responses and rather than thank them for the effort you continue your game of fraud, bullshit and ill manners…are all krauts as rude as you are?…are they all as stupid as you try to be?…no wonder you are up to your knees in your own shit…after all Americans have done to help you worthless fascists out you come to this little out of the way blog of friendly people and spit on us?….fuck you adolf

    wel, the only one who answer in a friendly way is actually Iron Fist. I do not agree with him but he stays friendly. Most of you here react like you, somehow typically republican XDDD


  128. waldensianspirit
    131 | November 2, 2012 5:45 pm

    People running. What’s the big deal if they want to run?


  129. ferb123
    132 | November 2, 2012 5:45 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    Not going to happen kid. Hope you continue to post after the 6th though. It’s entertaining.

    thank you
    at least one here who understand me XOXO


  130. Buckeye Abroad
    133 | November 2, 2012 5:46 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ ferb123:

    If Obama wins, how does that help you?

    Schadenfreude. There isn’t a simple English translation, but it means “enjoyment of the suffering of others.”

    It’s a german thing.


  131. heysoos
    134 | November 2, 2012 5:46 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    @ ferb123:
    non too soon, people are going to quit caring what you think…if you are a german which I doubt, then you are a piss poor representative of your country…these folks here give you well thought out responses and rather than thank them for the effort you continue your game of fraud, bullshit and ill manners…are all krauts as rude as you are?…are they all as stupid as you try to be?…no wonder you are up to your knees in your own shit…after all Americans have done to help you worthless fascists out you come to this little out of the way blog of friendly people and spit on us?….fuck you adolf

    wel, the only one who answer in a friendly way is actually Iron Fist. I do not agree with him but he stays friendly. Most of you here react like you, somehow typically republican XDDD

    and you are an idiot…you don’t count, it’s not gonna turn for you if you decide to bug me….fuck off


  132. Buckeye Abroad
    135 | November 2, 2012 5:47 pm

    @ ferb123:

    I’ve been here way too long.


  133. Canoe Convoy
    136 | November 2, 2012 5:48 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I think the Wisconsin will vote R this year — just not the district I’m in.


  134. Lily
    137 | November 2, 2012 5:49 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    People running. What’s the big deal if they want to run?

    A lot of out-of-town people will be coming in and the hotels are filled to capacity because of people having no homes to go to. So the hotels don’t want to throw out people who don’t have anywhere to go for someone coming to run the Marathon from out-of-town..not to mention with gas in short supply they are using generators and gas that could be used in damaged areas.


  135. ferb123
    138 | November 2, 2012 5:51 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    If Obama wins, how does that help you?

    Schadenfreude. There isn’t a simple English translation, but it means “enjoyment of the suffering of others.”
    It’s a german thing.

    no, no this is not just a german thing.
    Its common all over the world :)


  136. yenta-fada
    139 | November 2, 2012 5:55 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    They’ve decided to Cancel the marathon in New York. You have to wonder why it took so long…

    Bloomberg is doing an Obozo “leading from behind” announcement. These elitists are so removed from normal human behavior, that they require a giant cluebat in order to act with a degree of real concern. Why would gas be a problem? You just get in the back of the limo and wait for it to take you where you want to go. /


  137. lobo91
    140 | November 2, 2012 5:56 pm

    @ Lily:

    The one weird thing is how there is no power. The other weird thing is how there’s no gas.

    Those two actually go together quite well.

    There is gas. It’s in storage tanks underground and requires power to pump it.

    In some places, they may actually be out of gas, but that’s because there’s no way to get trucks there to deliver it.


  138. 141 | November 2, 2012 5:57 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    Bloomturd is dumber than a box of rocks. The only individuals I know who come close to him for being clueless are the guy who runs the swamp “Across the Street” and two grammatically/synapse challenged trolls.


  139. heysoos
    142 | November 2, 2012 5:57 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Yep and they got this to look forward to….this is gonna be bad..with people having no heat.
    Near-freezing temps add to Sandy misery; potential nor’easter looms
    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/02/14880382-near-freezing-temps-add-to-sandy-misery-potential-noreaster-looms?lite

    I’m starting to worry about by my NYC boasting…they don’t seem to be as smart as I always thought…no food, water or blankets?…they had a week to figure it out….as for the entire storm story, my feelings are mixed…typically for every story of extreme stupidity, there is a story of extraordinary effort…my heart goes out to the victims…but with this, try real hard to not be dead weight


  140. waldensianspirit
    143 | November 2, 2012 5:57 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    no, no this is not just a german thing.
    Its common all over the world :)

    And as we both know,Obama is dishing out the hurt on the USA so you get your jollies


  141. Buckeye Abroad
    144 | November 2, 2012 5:58 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    Its common all over the world

    Though many Germans belive that, it isn’t. In fact, Anglophiles find your humor odd and we actually lampoon it.


  142. lobo91
    145 | November 2, 2012 6:00 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I’m starting to worry about by my NYC boasting…they don’t seem to be as smart as I always thought…no food, water or blankets?…

    There are a lot of people whose homes were destroyed or severely damaged.

    All the food and blankets in the world won’t do you much good if they’re under 6 feet of water.


  143. lobo91
    146 | November 2, 2012 6:02 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:

    no, no this is not just a german thing.
    Its common all over the world

    And as we both know,Obama is dishing out the hurt on the USA so you get your jollies

    Many Europeans want to see us knocked down a few pegs, because they’re stupid enough to think it’ll “make the world a better place.”

    By the time they realize how mistaken they were, it’ll be too late.


  144. waldensianspirit
    147 | November 2, 2012 6:03 pm

    @ Lily:
    Eastwood is on the mark!


  145. waldensianspirit
    148 | November 2, 2012 6:05 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Zero sum game, eh. To the zeroes


  146. heysoos
    149 | November 2, 2012 6:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    I’m starting to worry about by my NYC boasting…they don’t seem to be as smart as I always thought…no food, water or blankets?…
    There are a lot of people whose homes were destroyed or severely damaged.
    All the food and blankets in the world won’t do you much good if they’re under 6 feet of water.

    I made that distinction earlier today….losing your home and everything in it a life changing trauma I’m sure…so pack for two…I just don’t get a vibe that they were as well prepared as they easily could have been, but I don’t want to sound too harsh either…this thing is a bitch and and I don’t want to seem decisive


  147. ferb123
    150 | November 2, 2012 6:06 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    Its common all over the world
    Though many Germans belive that, it isn’t. In fact, Anglophiles find your humor odd and we actually lampoon it.

    you deny you would feel Schadensfreude for democrats if Obama loses?


  148. heysoos
    151 | November 2, 2012 6:06 pm

    devicive that is


  149. waldensianspirit
    153 | November 2, 2012 6:09 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    you deny you would feel Schadensfreude for democrats if Obama loses?

    Actually we’re gong to relax a few days and then hold Romney’s feet to the fire to get Washington fixed and the economy going again.


  150. Guggi
    154 | November 2, 2012 6:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Many Europeans want to see us knocked down a few pegs, because they’re stupid enough to think it’ll “make the worldthem look a better place.”


  151. lobo91
    155 | November 2, 2012 6:12 pm

    Oh, look: another Obama scandal the media will ignore:

    Examiner Editorial: Insiders get rich on Obama’s green energy stimulus

    “I had a friend who said, ‘You don’t just pick the winners and losers,’ ” Mitt Romney told President Obama in the first presidential debate. “You pick the losers.”

    Romney’s assessment of the billions that Obama has wasted on green energies is dead on. And unfortunately, it only tells half of the story. According to a Washington Examiner analysis of publicly available data, corporate insiders at the 15 publicly traded green energy companies that received federal stimulus subsidies pocketed tens of millions by selling their stock after the government’s money poured in and before their companies’ values plummeted.

    The Obama administration gave more than $700 million in grants and guaranteed an additional $500 million in loans to publicly traded green energy companies through its 2009 stimulus package. If Obama had invested all that money in a Standard & Poors index fund of the top 500 publicly traded companies, his investment would have seen a 73 percent return since he took office. In contrast, the Obama “green energy” stimulus portfolio has fallen by 78 percent — performing about five points worse than green energy companies that didn’t get subsidies.

    The insider trades by officers and directors of these companies tell us still more. They cashed out a net $63.9 million in stock gains before their companies’ stock prices collapsed.

    Biofuel manufacturer Amyris Inc., for example, was given $24.3 million in taxpayer money to turn plant sugars into diesel fuel. At one point, this helped push its stock price above $30 a share. Today, Amyris has closed two of its three plants, and its stock sells for less than $3. Amyris’ insiders got rich first, though, netting $21 million in stock sales after the firm went public in September 2010.

    Solazyme, another biofuel manufacturer, received $21.8 million from Obama’s Energy Department. Its stock once traded at more than $25 a share but now is worth less than $9. Its corporate insiders realized $18.4 million in capital gains before the stock price collapsed.

    Corporate insiders at A123 Systems were not as quick to cash out as their biofuel colleagues. The Massachusetts electric-car battery manufacturer received a $249 million grant from Obama’s Energy Department in 2009, before going bankrupt last month. Its stock was worth more than $25 a share when it first went public in September 2009. A123 officers and directors still made more than $11 million in stock sales.

    This analysis does not include some of the best-known Obama energy failures. Solyndra, for example, blew through more than $500 million in taxpayer-guaranteed loans before it could even go public. Another high-profile failure, First Solar, is not included because it sold off much of its $3 billion in federal loan guarantees to third parties before it laid off 30 percent of its workforce and its stock price declined by more than 90 percent from its 2011 high. The company’s head, Michael Ahearn, has extracted more than $329 million in stock sales since 2009 all by himself.

    [yawn]
    //


  152. Buckeye Abroad
    156 | November 2, 2012 6:20 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    Its common all over the world
    Though many Germans belive that, it isn’t. In fact, Anglophiles find your humor odd and we actually lampoon it.

    you deny you would feel Schadensfreude for democrats if Obama loses?

    I never considered a political election in terms how it would make me “feel”. Do you?

    I do know that Obama and the democrat party have been an absolute train wreck for my country and giving him another term would make it worse.


  153. ferb123
    157 | November 2, 2012 6:32 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:
    ferb123 wrote:
    Its common all over the world
    Though many Germans belive that, it isn’t. In fact, Anglophiles find your humor odd and we actually lampoon it.
    you deny you would feel Schadensfreude for democrats if Obama loses?

    I never considered a political election in terms how it would make me “feel”. Do you?
    I do know that Obama and the democrat party have been an absolute train wreck for my country and giving him another term would make it worse.

    So you really not feel Schadensfreude for all these socialist/progressive Obama supporter?
    O come on, are you human?


  154. lobo91
    158 | November 2, 2012 6:41 pm

    @ ferb123:

    So you really not feel Schadensfreude for all these socialist/progressive Obama supporter?
    O come on, are you human?

    This isn’t one of your soccer games. This is the future of our country.

    The only thing I feel for any of those people is contempt.


  155. Buckeye Abroad
    159 | November 2, 2012 6:51 pm

    @ ferb123:

    So you really not feel Schadensfreude for all these socialist/progressive Obama supporter?

    Es tut mir sehr leid für sie, aber das it alles. / I feel sorry for them, but that’s it. Ich habe keine personliche Blutrache. / I have no personal vendetta.

    O come on, are you human?

    Wie alt bist du eigentlich? / How old are you actually?


  156. 160 | November 2, 2012 6:55 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Ayup. This isn’t a game. It’s a contest to the death -- the potential death of the federal republic we grew up in. It’s been a very long battle, starting before most of us were born. And it now appears to be at the end game. Of course, everyone always thinks they’re seeing the end game, but we may actually be doing so. If that’s the case, it may get very ugly indeed. I hope not. I’m sure Jefferson, Madison, Adams and Washington had hoped their pleas would be heeded, too. But they weren’t, so they did what was necessary.

    Silly talk, I know. That could never happen again, right? Right?

    Buy more ammo. And somebody explain what that means to the ferb.


  157. Lily
    161 | November 2, 2012 7:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ ferb123:

    So you really not feel Schadensfreude for all these socialist/progressive Obama supporter?
    O come on, are you human?

    This isn’t one of your soccer games. This is the future of our country.

    The only thing I feel for any of those people is contempt.

    Apparently the ferb doesn’t understand excatly how serious this is. He seems to think it some form of amusement. It’s not..and there are a lot of Americans that do not find this amusing in the least bit. It’s our future and which way our country will go. It is very serious and I find it belittling by the likes of ferb who thinks it’s entertainment.


  158. Buckeye Abroad
    162 | November 2, 2012 7:23 pm

    Rearding ferb..if you haven’t noticed--he enjoys your reactions. Thats his kick and the reason he is here. Schadenfreude. He is causing discomfort and enjoys your pained responses. Content is irrelevant-- he wouldn’t comprehend your anguish depspite your best efforts. It’s a german thing.

    At least he isn’t shoving us into ovens yet.


  159. lobo91
    163 | November 2, 2012 7:27 pm

    @ Lily:

    Apparently the ferb doesn’t understand excatly how serious this is. He seems to think it some form of amusement. It’s not..and there are a lot of Americans that do not find this amusing in the least bit. It’s our future and which way our country will go. It is very serious and I find it belittling by the likes of ferb who thinks it’s entertainment.

    Not much really changes in most European countries, no matter who gets elected. The EU is the real power there, and they have no say over its decisions.

    Most “conservatives” in Europe would probably vote for Nancy Pelosi.


  160. ferb123
    164 | November 2, 2012 7:41 pm

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    So you really not feel Schadensfreude for all these socialist/progressive Obama supporter?
    Es tut mir sehr leid für sie, aber das it alles. / I feel sorry for them, but that’s it. Ich habe keine personliche Blutrache. / I have no personal vendetta.
    O come on, are you human?
    Wie alt bist du eigentlich? / How old are you actually?

    I have the impression that for some of your rupublican fellows it is more important that Obama fail than America succeed. Totally stupid, but there are such people in your country. I would called this Schadensfreude.
    And yes again, I think Obama is better for US(even US economy) than Romney.


  161. ferb123
    165 | November 2, 2012 7:44 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    So you really not feel Schadensfreude for all these socialist/progressive Obama supporter?
    O come on, are you human?
    This isn’t one of your soccer games. This is the future of our country.
    The only thing I feel for any of those people is contempt.

    Apparently the ferb doesn’t understand excatly how serious this is. He seems to think it some form of amusement. It’s not..and there are a lot of Americans that do not find this amusing in the least bit. It’s our future and which way our country will go. It is very serious and I find it belittling by the likes of ferb who thinks it’s entertainment.

    at the same time you find it amusing and entertaining bashing your president and everybody supporting him


  162. eaglesoars
    166 | November 2, 2012 7:44 pm

    Thanks for this 1389AD -- made my day!


  163. lobo91
    167 | November 2, 2012 7:49 pm

    @ ferb123:

    I have the impression that for some of your rupublican fellows it is more important that Obama fail than America succeed. Totally stupid, but there are such people in your country.

    No, there aren’t.

    If Obama succeeds, then America will fail. That’s what you don’t grasp.


  164. Guggi
    168 | November 2, 2012 8:05 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    at the same time you find it amusing and entertaining bashing your president and everybody supporting him

    There is a reason that Piefkes (Germans) are not much liked in the world -- beside by Arabas who cheer you for Nationalsozialism and the Shoa -- and you are a typical example of a Piefke: a big mouth, know-it-alls, arrogance and no manners.

    You think we are impressed with your performance, really ? You think you are a “hero” because you try to stir sh*t on this blog ? Your answers to serious questions are infantile and everybody can see your childish and stupid behavior. You don’t make a good figure here because you look more like a little boy in his puberty.


  165. Lily
    169 | November 2, 2012 8:15 pm

    @ ferb123:

    at the same time you find it amusing and entertaining bashing your president and everybody supporting him

    I find it amusing?? No I do not. I wish he were a better president ..he isn’t. He doesn’t care about Americans like he should.
    Not to mention I find you rather boorish. Here you are at the end of the thread insulting me.


  166. Buckeye Abroad
    170 | November 2, 2012 8:24 pm

    @ ferb123:

    I have the impression that for some of your rupublican fellows it is more important that Obama fail than America succeed.

    Though I actually don’t care what your impressions are nor your opinions, Obamas admininstration has been an epic failure and the results are there for all to see. No maliciousness needed. Obama has done all the work for the opposition. He is intellecutally and morally bankrupt and has nothing to offer and the American people know it.

    Totally stupid, but there are such people in your country.

    Insults? Your insecurity is showing. No worries. I’ve been amongst your kind for a very long time. It’s a german thing.

    And yes again, I think Obama is better for US(even US economy) than Romney.

    Based on what? The facts are he has made things worse, but I am certain your opinion aren’t based on them anyway. Europeans never had Americas best interests at heart, so you don’t have to answer that.


  167. 171 | November 3, 2012 5:18 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Thanks for this 1389AD — made my day!

    My pleasure!


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