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That Deafening Silence You Hear

by Macker ( 122 Comments › )
Filed under History, Islam, Saudi Arabia at November 5th, 2012 - 8:00 am

Imagine The Vatican and The Wailing Wall in Jerusalem being ripped up to make way for soulless buildings just like in Las Vegas. Or the Taj Mahal in India being demolished to replace it with something even more terrible.
Well, that’s what the Saudis have in mind for Mecca and Medina. And the Mohammedans say nothing about it:

In Mecca, the house of one of Mohammed’s wives has been demolished to make space for public lavatories. His birthplace may disappear, too, as part of King Abdullah’s scheme to complement the skyscrapers and shopping malls with a Grand Mosque fashioned from the same materials as a multi-storey car park in Wolverhampton.
As for Islam’s second holiest place, the city of Medina, a recent article by Jerome Taylor in the Independent revealed a megalomaniac plan to pull down three 7th-century mosques. Taylor added: “Ten years ago, a mosque which belonged to the Prophet’s grandson was dynamited. Pictures of the demolition that were secretly taken and smuggled out of the kingdom showed the religious police celebrating.”
Only a small minority of the world’s billion Muslims are Wahhabis, despite the tens of billions of petrodollars spent by the Saudis propagating their creed. (Bosnia, for example, is now littered with Saudi-style mosques, replacing the graceful Ottoman architecture that Wahhabis detest.) Many pilgrims to Mecca are revolted by the marriage of Puritanism and greed they find there. Yet protests are scattered and muted. Why?

That giant clock is only part of the grand scheme to ensure their followers don’t worship superstitious idols. Islam is the perfect embodiment of what George Orwell foretold in “Nineteen Eighty-Four”: “And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed-if all records told the same tale-then the lie passed into history and became truth. ‘Who controls the past’ ran the Party slogan, ‘controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.’
THAT…is why it must be destroyed, like dominoes.

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  1. Prebanned
    1 | November 5, 2012 8:12 am

    Many pilgrims to Mecca are revolted by the marriage of Puritanism and greed they find there. Yet protests are scattered and muted. Why?

    They don’t want to die!


  2. rain of lead
    2 | November 5, 2012 8:24 am

    mornin ya’ll
    gleefully awaiting our morning banter with ferb


  3. 3 | November 5, 2012 8:33 am

    @ rain of lead:

    Yeah, the boy ain’t all there, is he? Guggi is right. He makes Germans look bad.


  4. Storagemanager
    4 | November 5, 2012 8:36 am

    For a long time, intrepid critics of Barack Obama have described him, accurately, as a pathological liar. The Benghazi affair must force even the most circumspect among us to recognize that the problem is even more serious: the president of the United States has no conscience.

    Most men do bad things during their lives. But most men know when they are doing a bad thing, and, more importantly, they feel bad about it. This is why, for most of us, bad behavior has its limits. There is a point beyond which we simply will not go, even for a greatly desired advantage. Our minds will not let us do it. We say things like “I couldn’t live with myself if I did that.”

    This principle seems to extend very far down through the depths of human weakness, even to the actions of criminals. A “crime of passion” is so named in part because we presume that the criminal, had he not been momentarily overruled by a violent emotion, would have stopped himself short of committing the crime. This conception also implies that once the violent emotion has passed, the criminal will feel remorse, and probably also shame.

    If a sane man lacks this capacity for stopping or rebuking himself — not merely in a moment of extreme passion, but in calm moments, in long-anticipated situations, or in prepared statements — then we say he has no conscience. Barack Obama has long been a candidate for inclusion in the category of the conscienceless. Benghazi seals his fate.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/obama_a_man_without_a_conscience.html#ixzz2BM4ZUEcw


  5. rain of lead
    5 | November 5, 2012 8:37 am

    keep your spirits up

    I want to tell all of you in no uncertain terms that Mitt Romney will win the election tomorrow and become our 45th President. Do not believe anything that Minitru tells you

    I hope you remember this today: it is the last chance for the Ministry of Truth to freak you out, and they will find some way to do it. It’s 530am as I write this and I don’t know what the freak-out push will involve, but I know they will do something. It’s probably going to involve trotting out a bunch of clowns who will make ridiculous predictions about Barack Obama winning reelection “in a landslide”, when all evidence to the contrary can be seen with your own eyes on the ground where you live.

    Read more http://hillbuzz.org/

    A Better America


  6. Storagemanager
    6 | November 5, 2012 8:39 am

    A Vote For Obama-Biden Is A Vote For National Collapse

    By MARK STEYN

    Read More At IBD: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/110212-632060-romney-ryan-will-at-least-try-to-fix-problems.htm#ixzz2BM5YvwVy


  7. 7 | November 5, 2012 8:41 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    That is the textbook definition of a sociopath. One of the things that Obama shows in spades is a flattened affect. He just doesn’t show emotion normally on any level. People joke about him being Spock, but this isnot the behavior of a well-functioning human being. In a word, he is not well. He is probably not insane, as he knows the difference between right and wrong, but he is disturbed, as he really doesn’t care when he does wrong.


  8. Storagemanager
    8 | November 5, 2012 8:41 am

    “You know what ‘Baraka’ means in Arabic? Blessing,” says veteran Islamist leader Hassan al-Turabi, who is linked to al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in the 1990s.

    Turabi told AFP news agency that he hopes U.S. President Barack Obama will win a second term on Tuesday.

    “Obama of course,” Turabi said when asked about his U.S. presidential preference during an interview.

    “He’s gentle towards the Muslims generally,” Turabi said, and referred to Obama’s childhood spent in Muslim-majority Indonesia, and his Kenyan father who was raised a Muslim.

    Obama uses the word “terrorism” far less than his predecessor George W. Bush, and his name is a variant of the Arabic word “Baraka,” Turabi said.

    Obama, a Christian, was elected the first African American U.S. president in 2008 and is in a tight race against Republican rival Mitt Romney.

    Turabi has been a force in Sudanese politics for six decades, and was a key figure behind the 1989 coup which brought the Islamist regime of President Omar al-Bashir to power.

    Sudan then became a notorious refuge for militant Islamists, including bin Laden, leading to American sanctions which Obama renewed last week.http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/11/05/247718.html


  9. rain of lead
    9 | November 5, 2012 8:44 am

    could Obama lose Chicago. CHICAGO? CHICAGO!

    Massive Decrease in Early and Absentee Voting—in Chicago

    The Illinois Republican party claims early and absentee voting has precipitously fallen since the 2008 presidential election.

    According to the numbers, at this point in 2008, there were 260,376 early voters and 304,290 absentee voters. Now, the party maintains, there are 195,064 early voters and 46,232 absentee voters. That’s a loss of 57 percent of voters, since the last election

    The Chicago Board of Elections is reporting 240k in early voting and claiming it’s on track to surpass 2008 -- but they’re actually combining 2012 Early Voting and absentee voting, and then comparing that sum to 2008′s early voting numbers (excluding absentee). There is a significant 57% drop in voter participation in the City of Chicago from 2008 -- in the President’s hometown. I’d also point out that despite the Chicago Board’s point that early voting is four days shorter this year than in 2008, Illinois recently instituted “vote-by-mail” without an excuse needed, i.e. early voting by mail. This did not exist in 2008 and should have vastly expanded the numbers.”


  10. citizen_q
    10 | November 5, 2012 8:45 am

    Good morning all!

    He’s to the defeat of the obama regime!

    On topic, this is islam.

    This is what we are importing by allowing muslim immigration invasion.


  11. coldwarrior
    11 | November 5, 2012 8:55 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    the prediction is for historically high turnout in the T in PA.

    this might be a bloddy night for the dems. PA has been slowly marching toward the red since the late 80′s…the county i live in was once a bulwark of conservative dems, it is now firmly red. this is repeated elsewhere. it looks like our koke of a senator Dem Bob Casy jr will lose to former unuion coal miner and now mine owner tom smith.

    (useless bob jr is the son of the brave conservative old school democrat governor bob casey Casey who is best known for leading the pro-life wing of the Democratic Party, taking the lead in fighting Planned Parenthood v. Casey, a major Supreme Court case that upheld almost all the prohibitions on abortion that Casey signed into law. He championed unions, believed in government as a beneficent force, and supported gun rights. )He was forbidden from speaking at the 82 dem convention.

    it looks ugly for the dems here on the ground in PA, they have lost allegheny county as well, the dems in PGH despise these communists like obama and want the party purged of these aged hippie commies. obama has to get almost more votes on phillie county than there are voters to keep this race even close, the ‘burbs around phillie are trending to romney and as i said, the T is pissed and ready to vote in record turnout.

    pennsyltucky strikes back, revenge of the bitter clingers.

    so its off to the CC, bbl!


  12. Storagemanager
    12 | November 5, 2012 8:55 am

    There are many questions, and here are a few more.

    Why did CBS release a clip that appeared to back up Obama’s claim in the second debate on Oct. 19, a few days before the foreign policy debate, and not release the rest of that interview at the beginning?

    Why on the Sunday before the election, almost six weeks after the attack, at 6 p.m. does an obscure online timeline posted on CBS.com contain the additional “60 Minutes” interview material from Sept. 12?

    Why wasn’t it news after the president said what he said in the second debate, knowing what they had in that “60 Minutes” tape — why didn’t they use it then? And why is it taking Fox News to spur other media organizations to take the Benghazi story seriously?

    Whatever your politics, there are a lot of loose ends here, a lot of unanswered questions and a lot of strange political maneuvers that don’t add up.

    That’s what reporters should live for, but this time they’re not. We will.

    Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2012/11/05/what-president-obama-really-said-60-minutes-interview-about-benghazi/#ixzz2BM9h1VmI


  13. coldwarrior
    13 | November 5, 2012 9:00 am

    The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in the Keystone State finds incumbent Democratic Senator Bob Casey, Jr. with 46% of the vote, while Republican Tom Smith attracts 45%. Nine percent (9%) are still undecided…

    bbl!


  14. 14 | November 5, 2012 9:02 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    On topic, this is islam.

    Yes, they have no need of history because they are stuck in the 7th Century anyway. They have a vastly different values system that places no value on anything outside of Imperial Islam. They have a values system that relies on a Master-Slave relationship everywhere. As the Saudis are the Masters of Mecca, what they do with it is entirely up to lem. They could raise the city and build it completely anew, and the Mohammedan world would be silent. They only recognize other Mohammedans as Masters, though, and believe that infidels in the top position must be resisted to the death.


  15. ferb123
    15 | November 5, 2012 9:05 am

    Hello,
    just 1 day to go!
    An irish bookmaker already declared Obama as winner and pay out to those who bet on Obama!
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/nov/4/bookie-declares-election-over-pays-out-obama-win

    but its not too late. You can still bet on Obama on intrade or many other bookmaker :)


  16. Storagemanager
    16 | November 5, 2012 9:06 am

    Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”


  17. 17 | November 5, 2012 9:06 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    I hope you are right. If Pennsylvania goes to Romney, the election is essentially over with. It is only by keeping Pennsylvania in the Obama camp that Obama has a chance of winning. Even if he does that, he still has to win both Ohio and Wisconsin to win. If he wins all three, then we have lost the election, though. Dick Morris was on Fox yesterday predicting that Romney would win all three. HE’s saying Romney in a Landslide. I hope, I hope, I hope! If Romney wins big we’ll get the Senate as well. That’s really what we need to do to save the country. We can’t have four more years like the last four.


  18. Storagemanager
    18 | November 5, 2012 9:06 am

    Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”


  19. ferb123
    19 | November 5, 2012 9:07 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    mornin ya’ll
    gleefully awaiting our morning banter with ferb

    morning :)


  20. Storagemanager
    20 | November 5, 2012 9:09 am

    Obama and McCain will be very happy…..

    A suicide car bombing killed at least 50 members of the Syrian security forces and gunmen loyal to President Bashar al-Assad on Monday in Hama province, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

    “A fighter from the (al-Qaeda inspired) Nusra Front blew himself up … in the Hama countryside. At least 50 were killed,” said Rami Abdelrahman, the head of the observatory. (Reuters) http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-4301449,00.html


  21. Storagemanager
    21 | November 5, 2012 9:10 am

    America has no business in a Sunni vs Shia war…no matter who wins it is a loss for Israel.


  22. rain of lead
    22 | November 5, 2012 9:12 am

    @ ferb123:

    re intrade
    eh, not so much
    WAYYYY to many hoops to jump through to join here in the good ol US of A

    intrade is mainly for suckers in Europe


  23. 23 | November 5, 2012 9:12 am

    @ ferb123:

    A bookmaker declared it so, so it is all over! Right. So what’s he going to do when Romney wins? He’ll have paid out both sides of the bet. Did you see the poll I linked on the previous thread? CNN used a D+11 poll to get Obama even with Romney. If you believe that there will really be a D+11 vote, I might be interested in a bet with oyouon that! No way Obama gets even close to that. Gallup is predicting an R+0 or R+1 turnout, and Gallup has been doing this for a while. If Gallup is anywhere near right, Obama will lose in a historic fashion. Did you see where Minnesota is in play? I don’t really expect to win there, but that it is close is telling. Romney is up with independents in every poll. That and turnout will be telling. We have the momentum and we have the enthusiasm. Obama has nothing but the color of his skin.


  24. Storagemanager
    24 | November 5, 2012 9:14 am

    Mooch: Imagine What Barack Can Do In 4 More Years…

    Bone chilling.
    http://weaselzippers.us/


  25. 25 | November 5, 2012 9:17 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    It is a loss for America, too. Ideally, if the Sunni are winning we should help the Shia, and if the Shia are winning we should help the Sunni. Keep it going, and kill as many of the bastards as possible.


  26. Storagemanager
    26 | November 5, 2012 9:18 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Obama has his hate & anger at America…for the trolls..that is enough.


  27. Storagemanager
    27 | November 5, 2012 9:19 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    It is a loss for America, too. Ideally, if the Sunni are winning we should help the Shia, and if the Shia are winning we should help the Sunni. Keep it going, and kill as many of the bastards as possible.

    In a just world…but…in this world…that will never happen…


  28. Storagemanager
    28 | November 5, 2012 9:22 am

    New Black Panther Thugs Say They Are Considering Monitoring Polling Stations…http://weaselzippers.us/


  29. ferb123
    29 | November 5, 2012 9:22 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    A bookmaker declared it so, so it is all over! Right. So what’s he going to do when Romney wins? He’ll have paid out both sides of the bet. Did you see the poll I linked on the previous thread? CNN used a D+11 poll to get Obama even with Romney. If you believe that there will really be a D+11 vote, I might be interested in a bet with oyouon that! No way Obama gets even close to that. Gallup is predicting an R+0 or R+1 turnout, and Gallup has been doing this for a while. If Gallup is anywhere near right, Obama will lose in a historic fashion. Did you see where Minnesota is in play? I don’t really expect to win there, but that it is close is telling. Romney is up with independents in every poll. That and turnout will be telling. We have the momentum and we have the enthusiasm. Obama has nothing but the color of his skin.

    The betting sites are not betting on the party ID turnout, but on who become next president.
    And here all bookmaker says the same. Obama is the big fav!
    http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politics-and-election/us-presidential-election/winner


  30. 30 | November 5, 2012 9:22 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    Yeah, and that’ll win him California and most of the NOrtheast (with the exception of New Hampshire), but that isn’t going to fly in flyover country. At the end of the day he’s been a miserable failure. That may send a tingle down Ferb’s leg, but that won’t win voters in Ohio. The only thing I am really worried about is Fraud. The Dems always have fraud on their side. That is why they’ve been so hysterical about voter ID. Cut out the fraud, and the Dems might not hold the Senate today. There is no doubt that Al Franken stole his seat.


  31. theoutsider
    31 | November 5, 2012 9:22 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    IF, @ Iron Fist:
    Keep Dreaming ON. Romney is toast.


  32. ferb123
    32 | November 5, 2012 9:25 am

    Obama will make me rich tomorrow XDDDD


  33. 33 | November 5, 2012 9:26 am

    @ ferb123:

    They are all paying attention to the same cooked polls. You aren’t going to get voters to D+11 or even D+7 (what Obama got in 2008). If you have realistic samples in these polls, Romney wins. I can’t help it if you don’t understand how that works. I’ve been patient and explained this to you many times. Tomorrow, we will demonstrate very forcefully how this works. In Europe, it may not matter who votes or who you vote for, but in America it makes a massive difference. We’ll do a better job of getting our people to th epolls in the critical states, and Romney is up among independents by double-digits. That’ll carry the day easily. If you’ve really bet a lot of money on Obama, I hope it isn’t money you need to pay the rent…


  34. citizen_q
    34 | November 5, 2012 9:28 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”

    Sounds like the inspiration for the demoncraps elections strategy. Can’t stand on the facts or their record; demonize and eliminate the competition.


  35. rain of lead
    35 | November 5, 2012 9:31 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    Obama will make me rich tomorrow XDDDD

    hope ya didn’t bet the egg money


  36. theoutsider
    36 | November 5, 2012 9:32 am

    Congratutations on your second term President Obama.


  37. rain of lead
    37 | November 5, 2012 9:34 am

    @ theoutsider:

    hahahaha
    dream on


  38. 38 | November 5, 2012 9:35 am

    @ theoutsider:

    We’ll know in 48 hours, but the undecideds at this late a date always berak for the challenger. And independents are Romney’s by double-digits. YOu have to get the D+11 turnout just to make it a tie. You don’t really believe that Obama is going to get a bigger turnout this election than he got in 2008, do you? I know I don’t, and neither does Gallup. They are predicting an R+0 or R+1 turnout, which would be in line with the Republicans having the enthusiasm this year. Obama can’t win if we get that kind of turnout. You know this. Why do you persist in denying it? You can’[t depress my vote. I’ve already voted in a state that will go heavily to Romney.


  39. RIX
    39 | November 5, 2012 9:38 am

    I am guessing that the Obama Storm Troopers ,SEIU, ACORN, Move On,
    New Black Panthers etc. are getting ready for tomorrow.


  40. momcat
    40 | November 5, 2012 9:39 am

    Good morning. I have a question for the day. What is the best party food and drink for election day?


  41. rain of lead
    41 | November 5, 2012 9:39 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    how big will tennessee go for romney?
    the last # I heard was that 1.4 MILLION people had voted early here


  42. 42 | November 5, 2012 9:40 am

    Rasmussen has Romney at 50% in Virginia:

    Mitt Romney still earns 50% support in Virginia just before Election Day.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Virginia Voters shows Romney with 50% of the vote to President Obama’s 48%. One percent (1%) likes another candidate, and another one percent (1%) is undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

    This is unchanged from two weeks ago and the week before that when it was Romney 50%, Obama 47%.

    Virginia is Romney’s. yay! That is a toss-up state because of the massive presance of Federal Workers in the area around DC. Another domino falls…


  43. 43 | November 5, 2012 9:41 am

    @ momcat:

    Bacardi 151. It is a food, a drink, and in an emergency you can run your car on it! :mrgreen:

    {momcat}


  44. rain of lead
    44 | November 5, 2012 9:41 am

    @ momcat:

    not sure about the food and drink but I do know the Dems are gonna need a great big crying towel


  45. bluliner10
    45 | November 5, 2012 9:41 am

    @ momcat:
    I am thinking Chili and Texas Tea!!!


  46. Storagemanager
    46 | November 5, 2012 9:42 am

    momcat wrote:

    Good morning. I have a question for the day. What is the best party food and drink for election day?

    buffalo wings and beer


  47. momcat
    47 | November 5, 2012 9:44 am

    I do have some tennessee moonshine


  48. citizen_q
    48 | November 5, 2012 9:44 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    America has no business in a Sunni vs Shia war…no matter who wins it is a loss for Israel.

    I respectfully disagree.

    They are both our fanatical enemies. We have business is goading sunni and shia to war upon each other. Let them kill each other in an attempt to sate their tribal and deity’s insatiable blood-lust.

    Weakens them, and keeps their attention away from civilization.

    Just my opinion, FWIW.


  49. 49 | November 5, 2012 9:45 am

    @ rain of lead:

    Yeah, I saw that. I don’ tknow how big we’ll go for Romney, but it’ll be big. You have to remember, you have the Nashville and Memphis vote that goes Democrat. They’d go Democrat if the Dems ran Satan himself onthe ticket. But the rest of the state offsets that. I’ll be so glad when this is done and won. I am looking forward to gloating Wendesday, and then for the next four years. I am starting to smell a landslide coming on. If the Dems are having to cookthe polls to D+11 to pull even (CNN poll), then they are in deep trouble. I know their talking points are upbeat, but Obama isn’t drawing the crowds he was drawing in 2008. He has to do better than 2008 to win. I don’t see that as a reachable goal.


  50. Storagemanager
    50 | November 5, 2012 9:45 am

    Full CBS interview reveals Obama
    didn’t call Libya an act of terrorism
    Questions Raised Over CIA Operator’s Laser Capability in Libya http://www.foxnews.com/


  51. momcat
    51 | November 5, 2012 9:46 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    lol. Multi use is always good.


  52. Storagemanager
    52 | November 5, 2012 9:47 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    Storagemanager wrote:
    America has no business in a Sunni vs Shia war…no matter who wins it is a loss for Israel.

    I respectfully disagree.
    They are both our fanatical enemies. We have business is goading sunni and shia to war upon each other. Let them kill each other in an attempt to sate their tribal and deity’s insatiable blood-lust.
    Weakens them, and keeps their attention away from civilization.
    Just my opinion, FWIW.

    That is not what Obama is doing…he is letting the Sunni win one country after another…and then ruled by the Muslim brotherhood.


  53. rain of lead
    53 | November 5, 2012 9:47 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I agree memphis will go hard for Obama but Nashville might be a suprise and swing for Romney, I think it will


  54. ferb123
    54 | November 5, 2012 9:47 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ theoutsider:
    We’ll know in 48 hours, but the undecideds at this late a date always berak for the challenger. And independents are Romney’s by double-digits. YOu have to get the D+11 turnout just to make it a tie. You don’t really believe that Obama is going to get a bigger turnout this election than he got in 2008, do you? I know I don’t, and neither does Gallup. They are predicting an R+0 or R+1 turnout, which would be in line with the Republicans having the enthusiasm this year. Obama can’t win if we get that kind of turnout. You know this. Why do you persist in denying it? You can’[t depress my vote. I’ve already voted in a state that will go heavily to Romney.

    rasmussen has also Obama and Romney tied in popular votes and they are surely not using D+11. How you explain this?


  55. Storagemanager
    55 | November 5, 2012 9:49 am

    The Sunni under the Muslim brotherhood are building the Caliphate they have fought and dreamed of since 1922.


  56. 56 | November 5, 2012 9:50 am

    Rasmussen’s final Daily Tracking Poll is out:
    \

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 49% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 48%. Two percent (1%) prefer some other candidate, and one percent (1%) remains undecided.

    This is still essentially a tie, but I think a tie goes to the challenger. The undecides are going to break for Romney. They’ve had four years to decide for Obama and haven’t. They aren’t going to suddenly jump on his bandwagon at this late date. Oh, some will, but th emajority will go to Romney. And we’ll win.


  57. 57 | November 5, 2012 9:51 am

    @ rain of lead:

    A serving of crow with a nice California WHINE to go along with it.


  58. 58 | November 5, 2012 9:53 am

    @ ferb123:

    Rasmussen is reportedly using a D+3 model. I don’t think you are going to get D+3 this time around. I’ve never denied that this is a close election. But a close election will usually go to the challenger. As I said before, the undecideds have had four years to vcome to thier conclusion about Obama. What they are deciding today is whether they will go vote or not tomorrow. A majority of those who vote will vote for Romney. Even if things are statistically tied and the models are correct, the breaking undecideds will carry the day for Romney.


  59. Storagemanager
    59 | November 5, 2012 9:54 am

    Unreal: US Ambassador To Pakistan Met With Radical Leftist Group Code Pink, Discussed “Classified” Drone Casualty Counts… http://weaselzippers.us/


  60. African Moondog
    60 | November 5, 2012 9:55 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politics-and-election/us-presidential-election/winner

    I suspect that Romney will win the popular vote but Obama will succeed in the Electoral college. If my suspicion is well founded means a nightmare four years -- for Obama and everyone else.


  61. 61 | November 5, 2012 9:58 am

    @ African Moondog:

    I don’t see that happening. It takes a very unusual confluence of events for that to happen. From an Electoral College perspective, Romney needs to win one of the following: Wisconsin, Ohio, or Pennsylvania. You have Coldwarrior’s report from Pennsylvania upthread, and I have repeated stated my reasonss for believing that Wisconsin will fall in the Romney camp. If Romney wins all his expected states and one of the three aforementioned, it will be very difficult if not impossible for Obama to pull off an Electoral College win.


  62. 62 | November 5, 2012 10:02 am

    @ African Moondog:

    Could happen. But you won’t hear the Democrats screeching like Banshees how the election was stolen “from the people” this time around or cries to eliminate the Electoral College.

    In many ways Obama should hope he does lose the election, especially if the Republicans take both houses of Congress. Because his disgraceful handling of Benghazi is something Congress is going to take up in tne new term. These are impeachable offenses (among his others) that are more egregious than anything Richard Nixon has done.

    If he is no longer in office, Congress will let it go (they shouldn’t, but they will). However, Eric Holder should get no such pass.


  63. 63 | November 5, 2012 10:03 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    BEsides, there is this:

    August 9, 2011 | 3:38 p.m.

    Providing a significant boost to an effort to end-around the Electoral College, California Gov. Jerry Brown signed legislation on Monday that would award the Golden State’s 55 electoral votes to the presidential candidate garnering the most votes nationwide.

    If Romney wins the popular vote, he wins California no matter what the voters of California decide. Sweet!


  64. ferb123
    64 | November 5, 2012 10:03 am

    African Moondog wrote:

    ferb123 wrote:
    http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politics-and-election/us-presidential-election/winner
    I suspect that Romney will win the popular vote but Obama will succeed in the Electoral college. If my suspicion is well founded means a nightmare four years — for Obama and everyone else.

    @all
    just out of curiosity. Would you support a change of the election rules, so that popular votes decide the winner?


  65. citizen_q
    65 | November 5, 2012 10:07 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    citizen_q wrote:
    Storagemanager wrote:
    America has no business in a Sunni vs Shia war…no matter who wins it is a loss for Israel.
    I respectfully disagree.
    They are both our fanatical enemies. We have business is goading sunni and shia to war upon each other. Let them kill each other in an attempt to sate their tribal and deity’s insatiable blood-lust.
    Weakens them, and keeps their attention away from civilization.
    Just my opinion, FWIW.

    That is not what Obama is doing…he is letting the Sunni win one country after another…and then ruled by the Muslim brotherhood.

    I was speaking in general that we have a natural wedge to exploit relative to sunni and shia.

    Couldn’t the argument also be made that obama is enabling the shia, by looking the other way when the opposition in iran was crushed by the mullahs, and offering what amounts to lip service to iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons?

    IMHO, he is enabling the advancement of islam, irregardless of the major sect.


  66. theoutsider
    66 | November 5, 2012 10:09 am

    It look’s like Dick Morris, and Scott Rassmussen have declared the race over. I guess it is.


  67. yenta-fada
    67 | November 5, 2012 10:10 am

    From Canada, where I have no real information except the ‘net, I have the opinion that there is MASSIVE resentment regarding this miserable 4 year experiment of voting solely along racial lines. He is an incompetent crook. Who cares what color he is if you are hurting as a result of his commie agenda? People don’t want to be called ‘racist’, so they have learned to shut up. That doesn’t mean they aren’t angry. They will show up to vote on the ABO ticket.


  68. Storagemanager
    68 | November 5, 2012 10:11 am

    @ citizen_q:
    True….Obama hates both Israel and America….he supports anyone that hates us both…..but…in the end I think it is the Muslim brother he wants to win.


  69. yenta-fada
    69 | November 5, 2012 10:12 am

    If Leno could say it, he might muse ‘If your middle name is ‘Hussein’, you might be a Muslim.


  70. yenta-fada
    70 | November 5, 2012 10:14 am

    Israel unveils Winston Churchill bust. (I like the timing)

    http://www.jpost.com/Features/InThespotlight/Article.aspx?ID=290513&R=R1


  71. 71 | November 5, 2012 10:14 am

    @ theoutsider:

    No, but it’ll be over tomorrow night. Everything that can be done to change the polls has been done except for the get out the vote efforts. Those will be critical, I believe. We’ll win that one because we have voter enthusiasm on our side. Will you really go stand in line for four hours to vote for four more years of the same thing we’ve gotten from Obama? Four more years of high unemployment, declining labor force participation, anemic GDP growth, and disaster abroad? What has Obama done that people should be enthusiastic about him? ObamaCare? Polls show that a solid majority of the population wants it repealled.


  72. ferb123
    72 | November 5, 2012 10:14 am

    more polls are coming…

    this one sees Obama +2,
    electoral college Obama 303, Romney 235

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2228171/National-poll-predicts-point-popular-vote-win-Obama-electoral-college-LANDSLIDE-Mitt-Romney.html


  73. bluliner10
    73 | November 5, 2012 10:14 am

    @ ferb123:
    NO! High population cities and states like CA and NY deciding what is best for the United States is even worse than a second term for the current president.


  74. RIX
    74 | November 5, 2012 10:16 am

    If Obama loses (Please God make it so) he may rue how
    he handled Sandy.
    Just doing a fly by for a photo op reflects his character but
    poor political calculation.
    Imo, he would have done better looking deeply involved and
    presidential, letting surrogates campaign.
    You can’t purchase that kind of exposure.


  75. Canoe Convoy
    75 | November 5, 2012 10:17 am

    @ yenta-fada:
    True, correct.


  76. yenta-fada
    76 | November 5, 2012 10:17 am

    Canadian blogger, Scaramouche, attempts to talk about the shifting roles of Islamist factions as they radicalize:

    “Not unlike the rulers they helped depose, Islamists placate the West. Not unlike those they replaced, who used the Islamists as scarecrows to keep the West by their side, the Muslim Brotherhood waves the specter of what might come next should it fail now: the Salafis who, for their part and not unlike the Brothers of yore, are torn between fealty to their traditions and the taste of power.

    It’s a game of musical chairs. In Egypt, Salafis play the part once played by the Muslim Brotherhood; the Brotherhood plays the part once played by the Mubarak regime. In Palestine, Islamic Jihad is the new Hamas, firing rockets to embarrass Gaza’s rulers; Hamas, the new Fatah, claiming to be a resistance movement while clamping down on those who dare resist; Fatah, a version of the old Arab autocracies it once lambasted.

    How far off is the day when Salafis present themselves to the world as the preferable alternative to jihadists?”

    (From an Israeli paper)


  77. Canoe Convoy
    77 | November 5, 2012 10:18 am

    @ bluliner10:
    Agree with bluliner, here. I don’t want my vote, and my voice, to be ignored any more than they are now.


  78. 78 | November 5, 2012 10:18 am

    @ bluliner10:

    But it will be interesting to see what California does if that unlikely event does happen. The only reason that they changed their law was because they saw the Democrat being the one on the short end of the stick. Legally, they can do tha. It’ll be interesting watching them crawfish if Romney wins the popular vote, but Obama wins the EC. Legally, they can’t do that, but I expect them to try and possibly succeed.


  79. citizen_q
    79 | November 5, 2012 10:18 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    True….Obama hates both Israel and America….he supports anyone that hates us both…..but…in the end I think it is the Muslim brother he wants to win.

    He has been working more with the mo-bro-hoods it seems. He met a lot with regards to egypt from news reports I have read. Who knows what obama was doing that has not been reported.

    Look at Benghazi. From what I have reading we were running a Mid-East version of Fast and Furious to arm the syrian opposition. The opposition to my understanding being a smorgasbord of jihadist groups many with brotherhood and al’qaida affiliations.


  80. theoutsider
    80 | November 5, 2012 10:19 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Get your friends and family out to vote, if you want to make a difference.


  81. yenta-fada
    81 | November 5, 2012 10:19 am

    Don’t make me stop this bus and tell you to stop batting around the trolls. lol


  82. 82 | November 5, 2012 10:21 am

    @ theoutsider:

    That is one thing I agree with you on. I’ve done all I can. I wish I had had the financial resources to go to Ohio and help with their get out the vote efforts, but I simply didn’t. We’ve been ate up with medical bills this year.


  83. 83 | November 5, 2012 10:22 am

    @ yenta-fada:

    Hey, the OUtsider and I are agreeing on something. It’s a sign of the impending apocalypse. The world will end on December 12 8O


  84. ferb123
    84 | November 5, 2012 10:24 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ bluliner10:
    But it will be interesting to see what California does if that unlikely event does happen. The only reason that they changed their law was because they saw the Democrat being the one on the short end of the stick. Legally, they can do tha. It’ll be interesting watching them crawfish if Romney wins the popular vote, but Obama wins the EC. Legally, they can’t do that, but I expect them to try and possibly succeed.

    Isnt it very unfair/undemocratic if CA do this. Because CA always goes to the democrats.
    Why not introducing such a law in Texas? If democrats win populate vote, but lose electoral then Texas become blue. XDDD


  85. 85 | November 5, 2012 10:30 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    Isnt it very unfair/undemocratic if CA do this. Because CA always goes to the democrats.

    That is, really, a question that is up to the State in question under our system. The system is designed to work with the Electoral College really determining who becomes President, irrespective of the popular vote. This is a built-in safeguard against one populous section of the country dominating the entire country. By having so many electors, California already exerts too much influence on the National Election. This is California’s attempt to make themselves more central to the Presidential election. It is about sectional politics rather than Democrat vs. Republican politics. And no, California went for Ronald Reagan twice. It is only since Clinton that California has become such a steadfast Democrat stronghold.


  86. yenta-fada
    86 | November 5, 2012 10:32 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:

    Hey, the OUtsider and I are agreeing on something. It’s a sign of the impending apocalypse. The world will end on December 12

    Vote for the Mormon. Maybe he’s got ‘schlep’. (Yiddish for ‘pull’ or
    ‘connections’. :-)


  87. ferb123
    87 | November 5, 2012 10:33 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    but you want protest if Texas introduces such a law,dont you ???


  88. lobo91
    88 | November 5, 2012 10:35 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    but you want protest if Texas introduces such a law,dont you ???

    Since it’ll never happen, it’s a moot point.


  89. ferb123
    89 | November 5, 2012 10:36 am

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ yenta-fada:
    Hey, the OUtsider and I are agreeing on something. It’s a sign of the impending apocalypse. The world will end on December 12
    Vote for the Mormon. Maybe he’s got ‘schlep’. (Yiddish for ‘pull’ or
    ‘connections’.

    ooh nooooooo. Vote for Obama, he will try to prevent oceans from rising (at least in this term) XDDDD


  90. 90 | November 5, 2012 10:37 am

    What if Gallup is right? Fo rthe Outsider, he also has a much less rosey scenario where Nate Silver is right. I doubt that seriously. Silver uses internet polls in his formulation, and those are as valid as pissing into the wind.


  91. 91 | November 5, 2012 10:41 am

    This is really interesting:

    There’s a better chance of True Confessions from some of the pollsters. Just remember that Reagan-Carter in 1980 was “too close to call” for the pollsters, including Gallup. And if either candidate wins big in this election, there will be a target-rich environment for poll skeptics.

    I take comfort in that. The pollsters, for the most part, are part of the Democrat Machine. They are going to ridiculous lengths to keep Obama competitive. If they weren’t, the picture of this race would look different. Vastly different.


  92. yenta-fada
    92 | November 5, 2012 10:45 am

    Obama’s 10 biggest terror financing blunders.

    http://moneyjihad.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/obamas-10-biggest-terror-finance-blunders/


  93. ferb123
    93 | November 5, 2012 10:45 am

    Obama could earn a record share among latino voters this time
    http://www.businessinsider.com/obamas-latino-vote-romney-colorado-nevada-virginia-florida-2012-11


  94. 94 | November 5, 2012 11:07 am

    Another positive view:

    Mitt Romney will be the next president of the United States. Paul Ryan, as vice president, will be breaking lots of 50-50 tie votes in the Senate. Bank on it.

    Here’s the big picture for the presidency: Romney will win the entire South, including “swing” states North Carolina, Florida and Virginia, plus all the usual solid-red states of the inland West. That gets him to 248 electoral votes. From there, he will need only one state from each of the next two conglomerations of three. He will need to win either Ohio, Pennsylvania, or Michigan, plus either Colorado, Wisconsin, or Minnesota. He will indeed take two of those six in the right combinations, and he will be president. And that doesn’t even include New Hampshire (an absolute tossup), Iowa (I think it will go for Romney), or Nevada (probably an Obama state), or the lone elector from the Second Congressional District in Maine, which will go for Romney, too. And it doesn’t include still theoretically possible longer shots Oregon (actually, it’s doable) and New Mexico (probably not). Any of those states could help form other combinations that bring Romney to the 269-269 tie that he needs to carry the day — or better.

    What it boils down to is that it is Obama, not Romney, who really has to “run the table” in order to eke out a victory. But he won’t. Romney will win, 284 Electoral Votes to 254 for Obama.

    A slightly less rosey take than Michael Barone or George Will (let alone Dick Morris), but certainly an acceptible result. I think we are going to get the Presidency, but we’ll see what the margins look like. I am hopeful about the Senate, but I think it is a toss-up. We’ll get it if Romney wins in a landslide, though.


  95. 95 | November 5, 2012 11:12 am

    @ ferb123:

    Latino Decisions is a bogus poll. The more reliable polls have Romney in the mid to upper 30′s.


  96. waldensianspirit
    96 | November 5, 2012 11:17 am

    Polls schmolls

    If Obama gets it and still continues to ignore the population and not represent all reasonable Americans the pressure will mount until there is President Biden who’ll surely be all to all. Imagine another getting the Presidency beyond their wildest dreams


  97. theoutsider
    97 | November 5, 2012 11:18 am

    President Obama is going to have a good night


  98. waldensianspirit
    98 | November 5, 2012 11:21 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    President Obama is going to have a good night

    Obama has damaged your health. There are technologies on hold because of him and his playing at “engineering” green shit


  99. waldensianspirit
    99 | November 5, 2012 11:27 am

    Insurance!=health

    Especially the expense for expensive sake kind. And all the debt is being converted from virtual monies to cold hard decades long smothering debt.


  100. 100 | November 5, 2012 11:39 am

    @ waldensianspirit:

    IF Obama wins re-election all bets are off. It isn’t just ObamaCare. Obama will have the National Debt over $20 trillion by 2016. Given the way GDP will fall off, that’ll be pushng 1.5 times our GDP. All that needs happen to throw us into a Greece-style economic crisis is for intrest rates to increase a little. That’ll happen eventually, just because our debt-to-income ratio will be so bad. We’re done if Obama is re-elected. I don’t know what will come thereafter. That is anybody’s guess. We’ll probably break up into regional nations, but it is hard to say just how we will crash and burn, just that a crash is inevitible. The world will go back to being similar to what it was in the late 19th and early 20th Century, except with a triumphant Islam replacing Germany as the chief threat to world peace. It is not an appealing scenario, and it is being decided tomorrow.


  101. Storagemanager
    101 | November 5, 2012 11:40 am

    “We are hurting down here,” one woman says. “And we need help. Immediately.”

    The video then details Obama returning to the campaign trail.

    “Don’t boo, vote,” the president is heard saying toward the end of the video. “Vote. Voting’s the best revenge.”
    http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/video-sandy-victims-beg-help_660345.html


  102. heysoos
    102 | November 5, 2012 11:42 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    President Obama is going to have a good night

    and if BO wins, you’ll be celebrating your own demise…what sort of fool are you?….you want an Ophone that bad?….4 more years of liberal engineering and your shallow snark fest will be over…how much debt is too much? and by what means would you suggest to pay it off?….BO have big night, what exactly do you win?


  103. Storagemanager
    103 | November 5, 2012 11:43 am

    In case you needed a refresher course, here’s a look at some of the top members of the Hope and Change-minted team that the Beltway reformer-in-chief brought with him four years ago. Barack Obama’s Chicago-marinated culture of corruption brought us $16 trillion in debt, trillion-dollar porkulus, Obamacare, and edujobs slush funds, heightened national INsecurity, and entrenched wealth redistributionism disguised as social justice. The First Lady exulted on Twitter yesterday:

    “If this is what the President can do in 4 years, imagine what he can do in twice the time.”

    Yes. What you see here is what you’ll get. Imagine the continued horror, wreckage, obstructionism, deception, divisiveness, and cronyism. Then make sure you do your part to stop it tomorrow and send all of them packing.
    http://michellemalkin.com/


  104. Storagemanager
    104 | November 5, 2012 11:45 am

    Valerie Jarret: “after we win this election its payback time. There is going to be hell to pay”…..Update:

    Obama calls for “REVENGE”

    Even far left Obamabots note that he’s lost it: there’s no excuse for saying that “voting’s the best revenge.” It’s off-putting to voters looking for just a tad more optimism from politicians on both sides of the aisle and it gives easy fodder for Republicans to keep pumping their worn-out narrative that Obama is the most divisive politician of all time.

    http://sheikyermami.com/2012/11/02/valerie-jarret-after-we-win-this-election-its-payback-time-there-is-going-to-be-hell-to-pay/


  105. Storagemanager
    105 | November 5, 2012 11:49 am

    Vote Obama and cut the throat of America…

    President Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency has devoted an unprecedented number of bureaucrats to finalizing new anti-coal regulations that are set to be released at the end of November, according to a source inside the EPA.

    More than 50 EPA staff are now crashing to finish greenhouse gas emission standards that would essentially ban all construction of new coal-fired power plants. Never before have so many EPA resources been devoted to a single regulation. The independent and non-partisan Manhattan Institute estimates that the EPA’s greenhouse gas coal regulation will cost the U.S. economy $700 billion.

    The rush is a major sign of panic by environmentalists inside the Obama administration. If Obama wins, the EPA would have another four full years to implement their anti-fossil fuel agenda. But if Romney wins, regulators will have a very narrow window to enact a select few costly regulations that would then be very hard for a President Romney to undo.

    Environmentalists at the EPA pulled this trick before in 2000 when the Clinton administration rushed out a finding that Mercury emissions from power plants were a growing public health threat pursuant to the Clean Air Act. That finding did not regulate power plants itself, but it did force the Bush administration to begin a lengthy regulatory process. The Obama EPA has estimated that this regulation alone will cost the U.S. economy $10.9 billion a year. http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/7384


  106. 106 | November 5, 2012 11:50 am

    heysoos wrote:

    how much debt is too much?

    Exactly! The debt is going to bury this country. I’ll admit, that could happen even if Romney wins. But it assuredly will happen if Obama wins. That’s Obama’s game plan. If Obaam wins, we’ll not get the Senate, either, so Obama will continue to preside without a budget. Sequestration will hit and We’ll go merrily off the Fiscal Cliff. We could crash and burn as early as next year.


  107. 107 | November 5, 2012 11:53 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    President Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency has devoted an unprecedented number of bureaucrats to finalizing new anti-coal regulations that are set to be released at the end of November

    That’s one reason we may get Pennsylvania. A lot of coal miners there, and those people know that t vote Obama is to vote themselves out of a job.


  108. waldensianspirit
    108 | November 5, 2012 11:55 am

    I predict 50 States turns into 4 regions


  109. Storagemanager
    109 | November 5, 2012 11:57 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    I predict 50 States turns into 4 regions

    Obama wants all 57 states.


  110. Alberta Oil Peon
    110 | November 5, 2012 11:58 am

    @ Storagemanager:
    Nah, it’s a win for Israel, and civilization as a whole. The less there are, the less there are.


  111. waldensianspirit
    111 | November 5, 2012 11:58 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:
    I predict 50 States turns into 4 regions

    Obama wants all 57 states.

    Oh there’ll be 7 interstitial places like Dearborn


  112. 112 | November 5, 2012 12:00 pm

    If I were a bookmaker, I would want people to LOSE. Therefore, I would be trying to convince folks to bet on Obama for a win, make him the odds on favorite, and then make serious bank when Romney wins.


  113. RIX
    113 | November 5, 2012 12:02 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    I predict 50 States turns into 4 regions

    Obama wants all 57 states.

    He did say that he had one more to go.
    Must be the Midwestern State of Oceania or the
    Coastal State of East Illinois.
    “He strides above us like a god.”


  114. Alberta Oil Peon
    114 | November 5, 2012 12:03 pm

    momcat wrote:

    Good morning. I have a question for the day. What is the best party food and drink for election day?

    Well, if you were to ask this question at AOSHQ, I can guarantee you the answer would be Valu-Rite vodka, and pudding.


  115. 115 | November 5, 2012 12:06 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Could be. The Old South, the Left Coast, the Northeast, and something in the middle section? Most of the Old West will go with the Old South. We are more akin than not. The Northeast might form some kind of confederation with the Left Coast. These are the Debtor States, really. You can add Illinois to that. I think it’ll be a split based on fiscal soundness, with the Solvent States splitting off from the Debtor States. That’ll happen over the question of whether to bail out one of the big debtor states like California or Illinois. That what I think will happen, anyway. There is no reason for the Solvent States of America to allow themselves to be plundered to bail out the prolifigate states like California, or, especially, their nutso public employees pension systems.


  116. 116 | November 5, 2012 12:09 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    If I were a bookmaker, I would want people to LOSE. Therefore, I would be trying to convince folks to bet on Obama for a win, make him the odds on favorite, and then make serious bank when Romney wins.

    Bingo! Why would you trust a bookmaker to tell you the truth about something that you were planning to bet on? Do you ask your bookmaker to recommend your horses at the track, too? It is a foolish datapoint. One hat underscores the overall unseriousness of Ferb.


  117. Canoe Convoy
    117 | November 5, 2012 12:10 pm

    @ momcat:
    Bacon-wrapped shrimp and a nice glass or a couple of wine, perhaps.


  118. waldensianspirit
    118 | November 5, 2012 12:13 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    That’s very much along the lines I’m seeing. And no joke the interstitials are gonna be painful thorn to their neighbors for the duration of the nations Farrakhan’s Nation included


  119. 119 | November 5, 2012 12:17 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    I can see that. We’ve imported too many Muslims. We even have a colony here in Tennessee, though it has been resisted by the local population. If everything breaks up, they won’t find themselves welcome around these parts. By much of anyone. They’ll need to migrate to Dearbornistan, and settle in their own Shariia-State hellhole.


  120. 120 | November 5, 2012 12:22 pm

    New Thread


  121. 121 | November 5, 2012 12:23 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Fist, alas from what I understand this is not so. Doriangray can explain.


  122. 122 | November 5, 2012 12:28 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    K. I figured they’d have backed off from this the moment that they thought they might help elect a Republican rather than a Democrat.


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