Tucker Carlson and Neil Patel of The Daily Caller have an excellent article today entitled “Wave Goodbye to the Obama Media”. Carlson and Patel opine that by the next election cycle what we now know as the “mainstream” media will be largely gone, replaced by the new internet media. MSM have selected themselves for extinction by their own dishonesty and slavish devotion to the false prophet of a false ideology. The thugacracy currently occupying the White House is exactly the sort of regime that a free and independent press was supposed to guard against and protect us from. In modern history we have seen instances in which the press has been subverted and co-opted by totalitarian regimes, but in those cases the press was beaten into submission under threat of the noose or gulag. That obviously is not what happened to the American press. They willfully and lovingly became Obama’s concubines without any coercion whatsoever. The fact that we now have a President Obama is Exhibit “A” to MSM’s duplicity in electing a man with no experience, no accomplishments and seemingly no past. In doing so they have truly betrayed the trust of the American public. As Pat Caddell said, “Media have become the enemy of the American People”.
By tomorrow night we’ll likely know the name of the next president. But we already know the loser in this election cycle: political reporters. They’ve disgraced themselves. Conservatives have long complained about liberal bias in the media, and with some justification. But it has finally reached the tipping point. Not in our lifetimes have so many in the press dropped the pretense of objectivity in order to help a political candidate. The media are rooting for Barack Obama. They’re not hiding it.
Consider Benghazi. An American consulate is destroyed and a US ambassador murdered at a time when the president is boasting at every campaign stop that he has crushed al-Qaida. In an effort not to disrupt this narrative, the White House and the Obama campaign spend weeks claiming the incident was merely a protest over a video, rather than a real terror attack. Then intelligence surfaces showing just the opposite: The killers in Benghazi were no street mob, and Obama knew as much from the beginning.
Imagine if George W. Bush, or even Bill Clinton, had tried something like this during a re-election campaign. The howls from journalists would have been deafening, and unceasing. Instead, Obama has enjoyed every benefit of every doubt from the press every step of the way. Candy Crowley even broke character in the middle of a presidential debate to defend him. From their retirement, former presidents must be looking on in envious bewilderment.
[…]
Last month we found previously unseen video of then-Senator Barack Obama accusing the U.S. government of racism in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Even before our story appeared, liberal reporters tried to minimize and discredit it. Sam Feist, the Washington bureau chief at CNN, even boasted that his network had had possession of the tape for years, apparently unaware that some might wonder why they had never aired it.
We could go on. The point is that many in the press are every bit as corrupt as conservatives have accused them of being. The good news is, it’s almost over. The broadcast networks, the big daily newspapers, the newsweeklies — they’re done. It’s only a matter of time, and everyone who works there knows it. That may be why so many of them seem tapped out, lazy and enervated, unwilling to stray from the same tired story lines. Some days they seem engaged only on Twitter, where they spend hours preening for one another and sneering at outsiders.
By the next presidential cycle most of these people will be gone. They’ll have moved on to academia or think tanks or Democratic senate campaigns, or wherever aging hacks go when their union contracts finally, inevitably get voided. They’ll be replaced by a vibrant digital marketplace filled with hungry young reporters who care more about breaking stories than maintaining access to some politician or regulator.
All of this was probably inevitable, but it came faster than expected. Through their dishonesty the legacy media hastened their own end. Their moral authority has evaporated. So has their business model. Wave them goodbye on the way out.
Hat tip to Urban Infidel for the bumper snicker.
Rudy rips the Obama media on Sandy
A funny cartoon about the media at Althouse
darkwords wrote:
That is good. I like this one, too.
the media are a joke. it gets ridiculous when i have to fact check basically everything they write
coldwarrior wrote:
Yep. If they said it or printed it you can bet that it is something less than the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. They have made themselves irrelevant. For instance; I read somewhere that Pitt beat ND in OT 3.
coldwarrior wrote:
Including their attempts at “fact checking.”
Incoming J School freshman consistently say that their reason
for going into journalism is “To make a difference” or “To make
a better world”
And that is the problem, they are supposed to report ‘Who, What , Where & When”
Instead they get into the story & frame it the way that they want it perceived.
@ huckfunn:
@ lobo91:
every day i thank god for the blogs and the internet.
can you imagine if it was still the big 3, kronkeit, and the nyt 100% in control again?
Tomorrow night the the voting public will be standing at the edge of Mount Doom with the One Ring in their hands. If they can toss it in, the power of the media will be broken.
a young obama volunteer just had the misfortune of knocking on my door.
coldwarrior wrote:
Were you gentle or brutal? Do tell.
@ coldwarrior:
Are they crying now?
/lurk
coldwarrior wrote:
What happened? And don’t spare any details..
@ coldwarrior:
You were nice, right…
did their head explode from the shock of truth you gave them?
coldwarrior wrote:
Need help moving the body?
I think I just heard Zombie Kate Smith warming up.
@ MikeA:
Did you leave any smoking craters behind? Careful when deploying firepower.
/facetious
coldwarrior wrote:
Wife hates watching the alphabet network news with me. Other than the police blotter reports and the weather, I usually need to provide a running counter commentary pointing out how the stories they are covering are biased in their presentation usually because of what they don’t cover about the story.
She is especially tired of me asking the TV where the hell is the Benghazi coverage? I am reading new devastating revelations almost every day, and nothing. One day about a week after the attack the local Fox affiliate devoted somewhere between 2 and 3 minutes of airtime to some guy that had an impressive ET the Extra Terrestrial memorabilia collection, but not one word about Benghazi.
You would never know about Fast and Furious or the green crony-capitalism of solyndra if the MFM were your only source for news.
she was a cutie so i was nice (yeah, i’m a sexist, so sue me).
i simply asked her how she plans to pay back the 200k she owes because of obama’s debt. i said when she can answer that question i will be more than happy to hear what she has to say…i told her that 200k buys a really nice house for her and her future family. maybe pays for a college education…but instead she owes it to the bond market. every time she earns a dollar, hand a bunch over to pay for her man 0bama.
lobo91 wrote:
yenta-fada wrote:
I love Rudy. I wish he was still Mayor, or at least deputized to help out with the storm victims.
coldwarrior wrote:
Did she even have any sort of comeback? Or was all she said was: Thanks you anyway, and walk off.
@ coldwarrior:
Did her pupils dilate over the $200K?
@ coldwarrior:
Did she give you the cocker spaniel look, with her hear tilted?
i dont think anyone ever put the numbers and reality of debt to her like that. i hope the reality of being a debt slave for the rest of her life might turn on a light bulb, not now…maybe later. the seed of doubt (reality) has been planted tho.
i used to teach econ at a local university, so i know how to mess with the young minds full of mush.
coldwarrior wrote:
Oh-oh! I bet it went poorly for them! Yikes!
RIX wrote:
@ lobo91:
she got it when i listed what she could buy for what she owes..
like i say, they dont teach econ in schools anymore on purpose. ignorance makes people easy suckers
@ coldwarrior:
What? No ‘lady parts’ arguments? No war on ‘brown people’ stuff? What kind of Democrat is she?
the fact that they are knocking on doors here and had to send billie jeff in makes me wounder if they have internal polling that says PA is slipping away
Obama supporters are either died in the wool progressives that only care about power to the Progressive movement, or they are totally blind devotees to all things counter to what think is the establishment. There is nothing worse, in their eyes, than a vastly successful white male with seemingly impeccable morals and standards.
Urban Infidel wrote:
i was quite nice but didnt really let her get a word in. i saw her as i was unloading my golf clubs so was ready!
as long as i placed a seed of doubt for later i am quite pleased.
died=dyed
ButI guess they’ll probably still be Democrat Progressive slime when the die too.
As far as the media goes PEOPLE ARE VERY UNHAPPY!!! Very unhappy…my local newspaper has been called it at least 3 times for printing the biased AP stories on the front page! And today the paper basically threw the towel in for Romney by the editor because we need a strong Navy and obama is clue-less to this fact. People are out-done with the media..and the letters to the editor repeatedly want to know why Benghazi isn’t being reported on!!!!! If obama loses tomorrow and I pray he does his fall will take more than just him with him.
not startling to me at all, been saying this for 3 months now
Do you ever just turn your keyboard over and slam it a few times to clean it a little? You know, get the crumbs out of it? CVan we do that with our government?
@ coldwarrior:
father_of_10 wrote:
It isn’t that…I should know my family can never vote for an R…they are straight line D voters no matter what…not to mention they aren’t happy with the president and b*tch about Romney (basically the MSM talking points down to the letter) they can never, ever bring themselves to vote D no matter what is on the line..so I suspect they probably will just not vote period.
@ Lily:
PIMF bring themselves to vote R ever.
Bumr50 wrote:
heh.
@ coldwarrior:
Meanwhile, Obama is flying Springsteen around with him on Air Force One today.
father_of_10 wrote:
you might need Novocaine and pliers to remove some in govt…
Remembering the stories of petty vandalism from the klintons, for example the W keys missing from keyboards, I wonder what will greet President Romney.
I am thinking of a scene akin to a Section 8 housing eviction, but maybe I am giving the first family and cohort the benefit of possessing that high a level of class.
@ lobo91:
How much is that costing us?
/plus I noticed that Springsteen isn’t bringing in the people …
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2012/11/05/Madison-Fail-Obama-Springsteen-18K-Kerry-Springsteen-75K
father_of_10 wrote:
Is your keyboard ok?
/
This is only getting worse by the minute…and where is the media????
Not only that what does obama have to say???
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/05/superstorm-sandy-starting-to-bring-out-worst-in-public-along-east-coast/#ixzz2BNzgxtAX
@ Lily:
I don’t understand how Springsteen helps him.
Just had a phone call from a roofing company wanting to inspect my roof. Asking If i knew how old it was. That they wold have a teem of inspecters on my block tomorrow and could they inspect it. I told them that they should be standing in line to vote for Mitt. That would help my roof.
@ Bumr50:
I don’t either and it appears it isn’t helping him.
Obama publicly braying like an ass for over 4 years isn’t helping him
Nice to know he meant what he said…but revenge against who????
/this man is a national disaster.
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/05/obama-campaign-spokeswoman-he-has-no-regrets-about-revenge-comment/
@ Lily:
I am wondering who is paying for those apology ads for the innocence of muslims video in pock-e-stan that comrade zero and hillary bought in the wake of their Benghazi coverups.
@ momcat:
Indeed!
Bumr50 wrote:
Springsteen is just trying to be relevant. However, he’s just another old fart with a guitar.
citizen_q wrote:
You are.
I would have said “We are,” but I have no income at the moment.
@ citizen_q:
Excellent question…the stink concerning Benghazi and all the embassies that were attacked continues to smell to high heaven.
And where oh where is the media on this????
What about the movie about obama getting bin laden that is gonna air?
Isn’t that going to enrage the Islamists? This is disgusting spiking of the football by obama right before the election.
@ lobo91:
I want my money back.
I’m trying to decide whether or not to take Leia to the vet. She’s still not eating her food, for the fourth meal in a row now.
She will eat, though. I scrambled an egg for her this morning after I had breakfast, and she ate it.
Very strange.
huckfunn wrote:
What’s really funny is with obama beside him his crowds are less than when Springsteen is on his own!!!!! That’s funny!
citizen_q wrote:
You’ll have to call China for that.
@ lobo91:
Why don’t you give the Vet a call first and explain the situtation. They will tell you if she needs to be brought in if you are conflicted.
@ Lily:
Maybe she just wants scrambled eggs.
texasam7 wrote:
love it
@ Lily:
I have not heard anyone ask about how much of the roiting resulted directly from our grabbermint talking up the video as part of their coverup strategy? How many died in those riots? Not only our country’s embassies were attacked in those riots.
Seems to me riots were exactly what they wanted figuring that we sheep could not put a timeline together. Especially with the MFM parroting their talking points as news.
Turns out they have more and more blood on their hands, oops sorry too more and more bumps in the road.
@ Lily:
Lily wrote:
Apparently, the problem that’s been reported of ‘Romney’ votes being counted for Obama on some machines is hitting Kansas as well. One woman had to go back 4 times before her Romney vote registered correctly.
I think I might try to keep track of how many times this happens tomorrow, and will try to remind all voters to make sure their votes show correctly before they actually cast the ballot.
@ lobo91:
Comrade zero should refund it out of his campaign funds.
The old stream media is being replaced by the new stream media. It’s a shame many progs spend their time using their computers for gaming and persuing porn and everything in between rather than engaging in what we do.
@ mfhorn:
States need to take a close look at the code that’s in these machines. If there are extra lines in there saying to count every 10th Romney vote for Obama, and to ‘fix’ the problem after 3 or 4 attempts, they need to track down the programmer who put this in there. Jail time, permanent loss of voting rights, and a major fine.
Lily wrote:
Music lovers want to hear concerts and not libspeak.
Shut up and play.
citizen_q wrote:
It’s blood money now.
Lily wrote:
Obammy is just toxic. Springsteen simply not helping his own career by being a lackey. In fact there are plenty of people who will totally disown Springsteen as a result.
lobo91 wrote:
Maybe so! Something soft to eat.
citizen_q wrote:
There has been a lot of covering up now hasn’t there….and I’m not calling the media lame anymore…they are treasonous now.
With full apologies to Clement Moore
The night before elections
‘Twas the night before elections
and all through the town
Democrats were fretting
They all wore a frown
Ballot boxes were open, ready to stuff
Beyond the margin of theft, it must be enough
The unions were ready, their thugs to deploy
And others from ACORN, with plans to annoy
Left wing groups were running their ads in great fear
That the loss their power soon would be here
And then from the states there arose such a howl
But liberal activists wouldn’t throw in the towel.
@ lobo91:
Actually I would be happy if someone, I want to say journalist but that ship has sailed, would ask him bluntly, since we reasonably know that everyone that mattered including him had real time info on what was happening at the Benghazi consulate, on what justification did he expend US funds to pay for those commercials whose only purpose would be to strengthen his coverup.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
Isn’t that the truth! I don’t care if it’s a democrat or a Republican if they have the blood of Americans on their hands, collusion with the enemy and down right lying to the nation…I would want to expose the truth period.
Lily wrote:
The more you look the more bodies you find.
I am absolutely disgusted.
@ momcat:
There’s a thought. Oh yeah the obama’s are going to live large every second they can.
Leading Egyptian daily falsely claims Livni admitted to having ‘sex with Arabs’ for political gainFabricated story in Al-Masry Al-Youm, misrepresenting comments made by former foreign minister about her service in the Mossad, goes viral in Arabic media
song_and_dance_man wrote:
Excatly and apparently there are a lot of music lovers who aren’t taking the bait by obama having Springsteen with him. Tragic/not.
huckfunn wrote:
Oh yeah! obama has the anti-midas touch everything he touches he kills, our economy, our military, our foreign affairs, our embassies, an ambassador….the list goes on and on.
citizen_q wrote:
Excatly…with this president there really are dead bodies in his wake.
not following very close here…
but Springsteen and guys like Bono have passed the threshold of financial restriction…both are so filthy rich that in this point in their careers they say and do whatever they want….and with liberal celebrities it’s easily predictable…after all the dough, comes a cause to support
@ Lily:
The Clintons new how to hide them.
Well isn’t this special….thankfully they can’t vote here.
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/05/poll-78-in-socialist-run-france-want-obama-reelected/
@ Lily:
If there is violence followingn Obama loss, that comment will figure highly in the critiques form the Right, and justly so.
mfhorn wrote:
The hands of my grey matter are clapping.
momcat wrote:
There was a lot of rumor …not too much on hard facts….but with this administration goodnight in Georgia! There is most certainly dead bodies laying around obama’s feet.
Iron Fist wrote:
Oh indeed and obama will have to be held accountable…not to mention they are talking about revenge even if obama is re-elected!!! Good grief!
Back in Weimar Germany the MSM was the Hugenberg Press. Alfred Hugenberg was the R W Hearst of German publishers. It was Hugenberg that revived the NAZI party by bankrolling them when that party went bankrupt; he pulled them out of it. His reason was he thought that the NAZIs and Hitler could be manipulated. BUT, the tables were turned. THAT was the ultimate screwed up -- complicity of the press in politics.
In 1933 Goebbels and Gleichschaltung took over after Hugenberg realized he made a mistake.
lobo91 wrote:
http://www.dineshdsouza.com/archives/news/fact-checking-ap-2016-film/
Lily wrote:
I’m in favor of sending Obama to France so they can elect him.
Mars wrote:
I say Kenya
@ Mars:
@ song_and_dance_man:
Let him take reid, pelosi, schumer, bloomberg, whatshername, biden and UN with him.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
@ Iron Fist:
It will be ugly, especially if it’s close.
Most of the libs I’ve encountered in my life feel that they’re OWED an election after 2000.
“It’s a dangerous path, it’s a path that grows government, restricts freedom and liberty, and compromises those values, those Judeo-Christian, Western civilization values that made us such a great and exceptional nation in the first place,” Ryan said
@ Mars:
Ann Coulter said that Romney should appoint him as Ambassador to Libya.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
He’s so in love with communism and his actions have been criminal, so I vote we split the difference, Guantanamo.
@ citizen_q:
Are you fooling around with my wife?
@ Lily:
Of course they want Obama re-elected. They just elected a socialist themselves.
If they’re going down, they want to drag us down with them.
@ father_of_10:
Sometimes you just have to get a new
governmentkeyboard…Bumr50 wrote:
Why do him any favors? /
Mars wrote:
Sure a one way ticket is fine by me to oh ….lets go with Libya. France would be too cushy.
Mars wrote:
That would be better, for him and for us.
Bumr50 wrote:
ROFL. When she’s right she hits it out of the park.
@ mfhorn:
Makes me wonder if strategically we would be better off not voting until the last day. it would make it harder for them to figure out how many ballots they need to find in the back of Biden’s stationwagon, or was that Franken’s?
lobo91 wrote:
That would seem the case…but they really aren’t thinking all that clearly now are they? We have been keeping bad guys at bay…we go down bet your britches some bad guy is suddenly on the scene ….again.
@ Lily:
In their minds, we are the bad guys.
rgranger wrote:
Pretty sure that it was Frankens underwear. I think he still has some wedged up there if the way he walks is any indication.
I think the early voting shit is a scam set up by the libs in order to steal elections in a more convenient fashion. I really have no love of it.
Beckel’s actually defending the CNN D+11 sample as being accurate.
I want whatever he’s on…
lobo91 wrote:
Yeah I know they have short memories now don’t they? No wonder there has been two world wars in Europe they don’t study history much.
lobo91 wrote:
He’s been drinking the green kool-aid and I tell ya that stuff turns your brain to mush….or the
kool-aid which is much more lethal.
@ rgranger:
LOL! Sorry, no. One woman in my life is enough.
rgranger wrote:
Yeah, keyboards are cheap. Too bad this government isn’t. My thinks that a lot of the minorities/poor will vote Democrat because they are really truly afraid that Romney will cut off their welfare checks, food stamps, etc. . . . I guess the Democrats are fairly successful in buying votes that way. Was it de Toqueville that predicted that?
lobo91 wrote:
He’s in comrade zero’s choom gang.
Is theoutsider actually Kirsten Powers?
//
@ Lily:
I certainly hope that we don’t get involved in the next one, which is probably going to be the north against the south.
@ lobo91:
I don’t know but apparently they are scared about this election if she tweeted that! Good.
Lily wrote:
Bob is drinking far more than Kool-aid. I’m actually surprised he hasn’t just tipped out of his chair on Fox. Even Hannity seems worried for Bob’s health.
@ Mars:
I’m guessing he won’t be there on Wednesday if Romney wins.
I want to watch the Chris Mattews meltdown after the Romney win. We might be lucky enough to see a stroke on live TV.
Ack!
After Gutfeld gave a plug for his book, Kimberly Guilfoyle asked “Is this the ‘shameless plug’ block? I don’t have anything to plug!”
Beckel turned to her and said, “You’ve got plenty to plug, babe!”
//Brain bleach time…
The actual polling responses haven’t really changed, so they have had to keep adding points to the dems to get the results slanted in their favor.
//More “moderate Muslims,” no doubt
lobo91 wrote:
And that isn’t considered unforgivably sexist? Could you imagine the leftist outrage if a conservative had said that?
lobo91 wrote:
And mom just happened to have acid handy. You know, just in case she needed to murder her daughter.
@ lobo91:
The horrors to be born into that life…you can check-in but never check-out!~Only way to escape it is death.
Of course, Obama says the same thing. The difference is that Netanyahu actually means it.
just in case:
“Economy Set for Better Times Whether Obama or Romney Wins”
lets get that out there in case Romney wins…
Bumr50 wrote:
awwww Ann Coulter <3333333
XDDDDDDDD
@ father_of_10:
Probably optional equipment in cars sold there.
@ lobo91:
Murder is considered *destiny* now especially coming from the person who murdered her.
coldwarrior wrote:
No it won’t. Obama has plans and a better, thriving economy is not one of them.
coldwarrior wrote:
They’re nuts! Blinkered eyes not seeing epa regs, med costs etc. driving companies to slash and burn
ferb123 wrote:
Ferb, how do you reconcile your teams love for the murders in the name of Islam?
lobo91 wrote:
They are backed up against a wall…you know they have to be on pins and needles concerning our election….they know Romney will back them up…obama not so much…because you know he didn’t see it coming and it was because of a youtube video no one saw.
Ferb,
Are you comfortable with Obama’s total acceptance of the millions of unborn babies murdered?
ferb123 wrote:
You really think this election is a joke.
Ferb,
Are you OK with the Obama administration paying women less for the same job as men?
father_of_10 wrote:
I’m sure he is…because he is already partying because in his mind obama has this thing in the bag and already won.
Lily wrote:
You’re assuming he THINKS.
lobo91 wrote:
thats might be because Obama might think Netanyahu is not telling the full truth …
That economy statement was released to counter the statement I read earlier that they are expecting a boom economy if Romney is elected. That little tidbit about it happening if Romney or O are elected is just a case of “well it’s happening because The Won has done so much to make it happen.” Then they can credit O for the recovery if Romney wins. And if O wins then they’ll just say it’s Bush’s fault.
@ Mars:
Actually I do see a boom if Romney is elected…lots of businesses are holding back. If obama wins oh hell no there will be no boom.
I see the yard troll is back
song_and_dance_man wrote:
I didn’t look at its video but I’m guessing it is finally letting it’s inner anti-semite out to play.
@ ferb123:
Are you crazy? Really not telling the truth??? You honestly believe that…hey your racism is showing might want to pull down your skirt.
@ Mars:
gotta get the narrative set just right…
the left remembers how reagan kicked carter’s then mondale’s ass on the economy. gotta counter that this time!
@ song_and_dance_man:
Yeah and it’s hatred towards Israel is showing.
father_of_10 wrote:
actually, I am pro-choice.
Mars wrote:
Oh yeah it’s doing that and I didn’t click on it’s video either.
Mars wrote:
Too bad we couldn’t trade it in for one that is worthy. Gordon like, if you will.
ferb123 wrote:
So that would be a yes
Admins
when will you stop this antisemtic German troll with his idiotic XDDDD ?
ferb123 wrote:
Then how can you support the baby-killer? You are a liar.
ferb123 wrote:
Pro-choice really means pro-abortion. Haven’t you figured that out yet? Guess not.
father_of_10 wrote:
pimf. reverse what I said.
Guggi wrote:
Showing it’s true colors now isn’t Guggi?
@ Lily:
It’s a clip about the Obama-Sarkozy open mic bit about who hates Netanyahu more.
Ferb,
Obviously you are pro choice. Does that mean pro choice in retirement plans? In health care? In edication?
Are you pro choice in gun ownership?
Or is you version of prochoice only in killing babies? Do the unborn get a choice in your world?
Guggi wrote:
sorry, i have not been made aware of any reason to ban xd boy.
Guggi wrote:
Hmm, anti-semitic german. Where have we seen those before?
(I’m agreeing with Haysoos though, I don’t think this critter is actually German. Probably a homegrown national socialist.)
ferb123 wrote:
If only Chairs promiscuous mother shared that view 40 some years ago
@ Lily:
PIMF ISN’T IT GUGGI.
/Sorry {Guggi} my darn keyborad hates me.
Lily wrote:
Yep -- but oh, he will call himself an “anti-Zionist” and never an anti-Semite.
coldwarrior wrote:
I agree. He hasn’t done anything egregious like the few that HAVE been banned here.
lobo91 wrote:
So that proves Netanyahu lies???…wow how weak! It shows how much obama lies and what his true intentions are concerning Israel.
Isn’t stanley ann dunham the poster girl of the prochoice crowd?
coldwarrior wrote:
Rodan promised us to moderate his postings if he doesn’t stop this stupid XDDDD
Guggi wrote:
Slap him around then if he is really German..which is in question at times here.
Guggi wrote:
the xd crap is rather annoying.
father_of_10 wrote:
Just call The Orkin Man; they know how to deal with roaches.
Death to XDDDDDDDD!!!!!
I don’t mind how ferb or outsider style their posts
Guggi wrote:
Which makes his aversion even worse being that Semites incorporate more than just Jews, whereas Zion targets Jews and their religion.
Guggi wrote:
I have not made any antisemtic comment. But that so typical, because I am german I must be an antisemit.
For each person G-d is pro-choice…at the end of this life
coldwarrior wrote:
yes it is and beside the fact he knows we hate it he is still using it only to needle us.
ferb123 wrote:
Did you look at the comments on that video?
lobo91 wrote:
He didn’t pick it by accident. Especially since it doesn’t have anything to do with the point being discussed.
Ferb,
Are you going to answer my questions?
Nice comments on that video:
father_of_10 wrote:
That would be a first
lobo91 wrote:
Oh serious, you can not blame me what other people comments on that vid at youtbe.
ladies and gentlemen…
a car swarm
I’d like to give our troll an old, traditional German howdy.
Niemals sollst Du Freunde finden, Deine Freude möge vergehen und Übel möge Dich ereilen.
@ ferb123:
Where are your answers to my questions? Are you just anpther typical liberal that is completely shallow and totally without substance? Just a drive-by senseless poster?
lobo91 wrote:
Nodrog from the other place at least tried to make his arguments but this online creature only tries to provoke and stir sth*t here.
Russian attack sub detected near East Coast
How cozy
lobo91 wrote:
Since I think its legal, the answer is no.
@ ferb123:
So you just happened to link to a video posted by some Muslim guy in the UK who hates Israel?
father_of_10 wrote:
Actually he is dorftrottel.
Much better than just calling him a troll.
ferb123 wrote:
But it shows your tastes by attaching your self to it.
ferb123 wrote:
So you support the killing as long as it is not considered murder. YOU LIBERALS SURE LIKE TO KILL THE DEFENSLESS.
father_of_10 wrote:
the question was about abortion. so the pro choise relate to abortion.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
Kinda like blaming the youtube video for the terrorist attacks in Libya, right?
Well, I’m off to the vet with Leia. Again.
BBIAB
ferb123 wrote:
If you are pro choice, then you are supporting the killing of millions of unborn babies. Do you think God is going to approve of that when you get to the Pearly Gates?
father_of_10 wrote:
thats your view. I do not consider abortion as murder.
father_of_10 wrote:
Exactamundo.
‘Hey, I got a great idea. Let’s show that vid at the Friday Movie Night in the local Madrasa.*
/123 mode off
lobo91 wrote:
He had to have read the comments because he said Bibi was a liar. So yeah the ferb is in agreement with those comments. Yet the video only shows how obama is annoyed with dealing with Israel …not saying that Bibi lies..the lying part is from the commentors…yeah it thinks it’s smart…not so much.
@ ferb123:
Do you believe it is moral to use an ultrasound and if it doesn’t have a dangle, strangle?
father_of_10 wrote:
ehm, that vid about what Sarkozy and Obama think about Netanyahu has nothing to do with Libya
On Wednesday Mooch is gonna get her Revenge Vacation going on!
If it really is German and taking into account the current state of Europe.
It may want this added to it’s Christmas list.
http://www.tradece.com/4gb-rechargeable-digital-holy-quran-point-muslim-reading-pen-p-2090.html
ferb123 wrote:
Uh yes it is..and do you not know the hidden secret that women suffer emotionally after an abortion? I take it you are male. I have seen what women go through after an abortion and they are haunted from it.
And abortion now days is used as birth control.
ferb123 wrote:
I bet you would consider it murder if someone were attempting to abort YOU…
Lily wrote:
I does not prove that Netanyahu lies, but it might show that Obama and Sarkorzy do not blindly trust Netanyahu about the status of iranian nuclear program
doriangrey wrote:
I wouldn’t think a “german” would want to be a fellow traveler with Margaret Sanger and her fellow eugenicists. But, to each their own I guess.
And the hole gets bigger.
ferb123 wrote:
But you showed that video to support your view that Bibi lies..but it is in the comments were they are saying Bibi lies…so you are a liar by saying you have nothing to do with the comments you are in agreement with them. By putting that youtube clip up and saying that Bibi lies you exposed yourself.
I think we have been socked by a 1.0′er.
Foster, is that you?
doriangrey wrote:
I am sure you would not consider it murder if someone attemps to abort me now
ferb123 wrote:
You SAID BECAUSE OBAMA DOESN’T TRUST BIBI BECAUSE HE LIES! But it is in the comments that are calling him a liar. And WHY IN THE HELL WOULD BIBI LIE ABOUT IRAN? Iran wants to wipe them off the map…are the Iranians lying? You need to get your facts straight.
ferb123 wrote:
Chucky chunky Chucky.That’s silly and makes no sense
ferb123 wrote:
Of course I would you fucking imbecile. Just because I think you are a fucking imbecile doesn’t mean I think you should be a dead fucking imbecile. Oh, and yes, I am anti-abortion and anti-capital punishment.
ferb123 wrote:
Actually we would. We are assuming that even being wrong headed about so much, that you are a decent human being and haven’t committed any kind of crime that would warrant a death penalty.
We give you the respect and right to live as a human being. It isn’t our call to take that away from you unless you violate a law that subjects you to such a penalty.
The eugenicists do not see it that way. In fact:
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/02/28/australian-ethicists-call-for-after-birth-abortions-in-medical-journal/
And O’s own science czar Holdren has said it should be legal to kill children up to two years old.
What laws have these children violated?
ferb123 wrote:
Honestly no one here would think that. Where in the hell are your morals…oh you got none…sure we would like you to open up your eyes and face reality! But hey that’s asking a helluva lot out of you.
Lily wrote:
That really ridiculous. If you post a libya vid here and someone make a racist comment on youtube there, this would also not mean that you made a racist comment because you post this vid here.
Lily wrote:
http://www.adl.org/main_International_Affairs/ahmadinejad_words.htm
Dinnerjackets greatest hits.
Mars wrote:
Obamacare ….okay to kill children up to two years old! EVIL!
Lily wrote:
so why you only attack me and not doriangrey
ferb123 wrote:
Perhaps because I have morals, am intelligent and thoughtful, and well, honestly, better looking than you.
ferb123 wrote:
You said Bibi lies that is why obama doesn’t trust him…but it is in the comments that say Bibi is a liar…so you had to have read the comments…because NOWHERE IN THE VIDEO DOES IT SAY BIBI LIES..JUST THEIR DISTASTE FOR BIBI. You can’t even keep track of what you are saying here. That often happens when people lie…they get caught up in their lies and can’t keep track of them. You are a perfect example here.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
If you read the comment of dorangrey this answer somehow made sense
@ Mars:
Yep but according to the ferb Bibi lies! That is his own words but nowhere in the video does anyone say Bibi lies just in the comments.
Not to mention Iran has made it’s intentions VERY PUBLIC that they want to wipe Israel off the map. So Bibi is worrying about nothing?
Hardly!
ferb123 wrote:
No, actually it did not, it made you look like a damned fool for making assumption based on your own values which you attempted to project on me.
@ ferb123:
What in the hell are you talking about????? What has Dorian said to attack him for? You are changing the subject here.
ferb123 wrote:
I don’t dabble in cognitive dissonance.
doriangrey wrote:
You haven’t said anything.. he is cornered so he wants me to attack you. LOL!
doriangrey wrote:
Its much much more simple.
You are anti-Obama, I am pro Obama
doriangrey wrote:
It’s the fabulous hair.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
well, he was a rock star…great hair is a given.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
Really! the ferb is twisting itself in a pretzel.
ferb123 wrote:
No, it really is about the morals, ethics, and intelligence and you’re rather profound lack of all three.
NOTICE: Don’t feed the animals.
@ coldwarrior:
huckfunn wrote:
But we have it corned and it’s getting all scared and stuff.
Lily wrote:
I bet you would consider it murder if someone were attempting to abort YOU…
@ Lily:
PIMF CORNERED
/dag-gum keyboard.
coldwarrior wrote:
Well, ya still got’s to be able to keep it after ya get older…
an I am a doing that pretty well, unlike say… David Lee Roth or Klaus Meine… 
Lily wrote:
Turn it upside down and whack the shit out of it. Works for mine.
ferb123 wrote:
Are you really that stupid?
ferb123 wrote:
What is wrong with that statement??? Dorian doesn’t believe in abortion and neither do I. If you were the baby then you would consider it murder it the point here. Apparently you think this statement is some *Gotcha* line from Dorian. Nope. Epic Fail.
doriangrey wrote:
Dont forget the better looking
father_of_10 wrote:
It’s already trying to change the subject instead of defending it’s bigotary.
So ferbie, you still haven’t answered my other questions. Are you pro choice for education? Guns? Retirement? Health care?
also, since you do not think abortion is murder, then you do acknowledge that it is killing a living thing, though, right?
father_of_10 wrote:
Laptop here. The keyboards are communists …
ggbbl
doriangrey wrote:
Uh apparently so.
You are anti-Obama, I am pro Obama
And there is the crux-gist. The affiliation of all the Chair is and will be if he is allowed to move Forward. Nothing we say will move this one’s intent, which for the moment is an effort for thread derailment and the hope that it might find something we say that will be used against us.
I’m on to you Foster-Lite
@ ferb123:
And pray tell what is wrong with that~???? I’m probably better looking too.
@ song_and_dance_man:
Yep it turns the thread into *all about him*.
/and never answers questions.
@ Lily:
Good Lord. What’s THAT you are talking to tonight?
And, there’s a radio show tonight in the middle of Monday Night Football?
@ Calo:
I’m not sure what it is…but I think it came from somewhere else.
Hey {{Calo}}!
Calo wrote:
Somebody told me there was suppose to be a radio show tonight…
@ Lily:
Please return it to the sender then.
Hi {{Lily}}
@ Calo:
There’s a radio show tonight??? Probably pre-chatter because of the election tomorrow. Plus I have to do my duty and watch the Saints.
@ doriangrey:
So someone tells you and I gotta figure it out on my own?
Seems rather sexist, if you ask me.
@ Calo:
We have tried but it keeps coming back like a bad penny.
Lily wrote:
Well, somebody I was talking to last night said their would be a 1 hour long program tonight. But since he can’t spell, he might have had his night mixed up as well…
father_of_10 wrote:
Please explain what you exactly with pro choise in connection with education,Guns,Retirement,Health care.
No I do not consider an egg cell / 3 month fetus as living human
@ Calo:
@ doriangrey:
Did he at least spell day correctly?
Lily wrote:
oh, I am pretty sure you are good looking.
@ ferb123:
Uh hate to tell you it is a human being. That’s just wicked to think it isn’t.
I think Foster got lucky one day and decided against flushing his spawn.
The tissue paper had no voice.
@ doriangrey:
Well tomorrow is THE BIG DAY now isn’t it.
/you were talking to someone on the phone last night? LOL!
Lily wrote:
Thats your view, I see it differently.
@ ferb123:
Only Calo would know.
/but from your talking points it sounds like I could be old enough to be your mother. Thankfully my sons don’t talk like that around me nor do they think like that. You could tell my son his daughter wasn’t actually a human being when concieved though that would be interesting.
@ Lily:
Blogmockers all over the US were burning up the phone lines last night.
And, as always, it was a pleasure to hear from you.
radio show at 2100 eastern for an hour.
so please tune in…maybe i’ll actually call in for a change.
Calo wrote:
ROTFLMAO… Spelling on the phone?
I am back baby -- from the dead.
Onward to victory!
ferb123 wrote:
Then there is this….
Speranza wrote:
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! Really glad you are okay!
Speranza wrote:
onward indeed!
Speranza wrote:
Woohoo!
Calo wrote:
LOL!!! Yep burning up the lines we were then!
/glad to have talked to you too!
Speranza wrote:
Yo. Good to hear. Hope all is well with you and that you’ll regale us with some hurricane stories.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
ferb123 wrote:
Yes, people always see murder differently until it is themselves who are being murdered. Like it or not, a fertilized egg is alive. It is in it’s natural habitat where evolution has evolved it to survive until it reaches a certain specific state of maturity. Evolution placed it in the safest place it could, deep inside the female body for the specific purpose of protecting it and keeping it alive.
@ Lily:
@ coldwarrior:
I expect Romney to win but if he does not I will not blame him. It will be the nation’s fault.
This 123 is an infiltrator from 1.0. He wavers in and out of reason with intentional typos and grammatical error as a ruse. And if any will notice he uses language/reason that Foster might employ.
Foster or whoever you are, you are now transparent.
And you can drop the faux since there is nowhere else to go when you next say, huh, what, who?. We, or rather DoD, have the upper hand with this tactic. Go back and report your failure.
coldwarrior wrote:
If you call in for a hope, you’ll get nothing but revenge.
@ ferb123:
I am pro choice but I do not deny that it is a human being in the womb.
@ Speranza:
I’m not going to jinx it by saying anything yet…I’m on pins and needles… I agree Mitt Romney has given his all in this election and turned out to be much better than anyone would have thought. So yes if he loses it’s not his fault at all.
*crossing fingers that he doesn’t lose*
Back from the vet.
The good news is that Leia doesn’t have any apparent diseases that show up in blood work.
The bad news is that they don’t know why she’s not eating.
doriangrey wrote:
Excellent.
huckfunn wrote:
that revenge comment by 0 was quite the look into his unscripted, un-telepromted soul, wasnt it.
@ lobo91:
Well maybe just an upset belly for right now. Good they couldn’t find anything.
Lily wrote:
I believe in my heart of hearts that he will win. However I am also glad that I can say that I did all that I could to help him win (even if God forbid he does not). I sent him $105.
@ lobo91:
put a scoshe of olive oil on her food. its good her skin and the doggies love it
coldwarrior wrote:
Revenge if he loses and revenge if he wins…..is excatly what he is conveying. Nasty, nasty, nasty!
Lily wrote:
If nothing changes in a few more days, I have to take her back to have abdominal X-rays.
I can’t think of any POTUS that has used the word revenge before.
@ Lily:
this is what happens when the coddled racial hire is given some real responsibility and blows it.
Biden: “I’m The Guy Who Fell Off The Turnip Truck”…
waldensianspirit wrote:
And it backed up over him
@ lobo91:
Anything missing?
Speranza wrote:
He will win. WE now have your heart and my gut as indicators.
@ lobo91:
do you have a stethoscope? check for bowel sounds in all quadrants and measure the abdominal girth t.i.d.
Speranza wrote:
I listened to him talk last night and wow I like what I hear. When I hear obama I feel cold.
This country is silently rumbling under the surface and I think this bodes poorly for obama.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
Certainly not regarding other Americans.
@ waldensianspirit:
I’m gonna really miss him.
doriangrey wrote:
Thats your view, I see it differently. For me its not murder. I would not called a desperate woman who decide to do a abortion a murderer.
lobo91 wrote:
I think he was referencing his lineage.
coldwarrior wrote:
I don’t but the vet checked all that kind of stuff.
coldwarrior wrote:
Indeed it was. That was the real deal. That’s who he is. Revenge for 300 years of wrongs. He and a certain reverend want to make it Wright.
lobo91 wrote:
Well just sent a little prayer that her tummy changes and she is eating well again!
waldensianspirit wrote:
Not that I’ve noticed.
@ coldwarrior:
Translation:
Put you ear to hear belly area and see if you can hear rumbling. (rumbling is good!)
Take a tape measure and measure her abdominal area in about the same spot three times a day (big gains in abdominal girth is bad)
song_and_dance_man wrote:
Neither have I!!! Like I said when obama speaks there is a coldness. Not with Mitt Romney it’s USA, USA, USA. With obama it’s HAIL OBAMA, HAIL OBAMA, HAIL OBAMA.
ferb123 wrote:
I see your point now that you’ve taken off your tin foil propeller beanie.
Trolls from the swamp are easy prey
ferb123 wrote:
Ferb, that’s not my view or my opinion, that is that indisputable scientific and medical facts involved.
lobo91 wrote:
I know! Revenge upon Americans??? WTH? What kind of president says this????? One that needs to GO!
ferb123 wrote:
Well you know she should have thought first…abortion is the last resort. You don’t use it as birth control. Not to mention the added fact that the woman is haunted by it…oh they don’t tell her that before…but it leaves it’s mark. What about adoption? Totally out of the question with you!
lobo91 wrote:
And the only word close to that was avenge, and as you suggest it was mentioned not against fellows, but rather against those we were at war with.
MORMON VOLUNTEERS OUTPERFORM GOVERNMENT IN NEW ENGLAND SANDY AID
Check out the Secret Service guy standing by. He looks like he could be an offensive guard for the Packers.
@ yenta-fada:
Ya know, Rudy backed that nut job of a mayor not canceling the NYC marathon. He even went as far as to compare it to his decision to do same after 9/11. I’m from the same neck o’ the woods as all 3 of these characters so its not something in the water. I just don’t get it…. Christies a** kissing of the one and then Rudy… What a day that was… damn near lost my voice yelling at the radio. I thought to myself ‘Who are they gonna vote for ?’
doriangrey wrote:
And now we have to bear with it’s idea of Science proving Proggie thought in 123. pun intended
@ huckfunn:
Romney just doens’t talk the talk he walks the walk. With obama well you get lies.
doriangrey wrote:
No it is not indisputable scientific and medical facts involved.
It is higly controversial.
Lily wrote:
Yes’m! Geaux Saints.
Recently I posted on here the list of good deeds that Romney has done that have gone unreported. (As he would probably want it. If he was a self-promoter he would have tried to go to the press himself.)
The LDS religion promotes service in every day life. Romney has lived that, as do the people that Huckfunn just posted.
(Admittedly I’m not quite as good at being LDS. My penchant for cigars notwithstanding, I’m not really good at service.)
@ ferb123:
Ah yes it is scientific fact..what in the world are you smoking…highly controversial???? Ever hear of a SONOGRAM???
Pretty much gives a good picture that it is a living human being!
@ huckfunn:
Yep the Saints need to get in gear tonight!
song_and_dance_man wrote:
And indeed you got it in comment #322.
Give me a break. Mitt and the Chair are gonna be interviewed at the halftime show of the NFL game tonight.
Lily wrote:
If it is a common accepted scientific fact that a fertilized egg is fertilized egg and abortion is murder, you would not have any abortion.
ferb123 wrote:
Yeah, Cocoa is bite me during breakfast, can can we, however, donkeys are fuzzy. Rose galsses are trick.
lobo91
That is really good news. Feed her what she will eat for now. Better to keep her strength up than try and force food she doesn’t want. Try a boiled boneless/skinless chicken breast also.
Poor little girl.
ferb123 wrote:
Why is it always a “desperate” woman with you proggies? Why isn’t it her community leaders telling her if it doesn’t have a penis, abort it?
Lily wrote:
There, fixed that for ya!
ferb123 wrote:
U
ferb123 wrote:
sorry, should be
“If it is a common accepted scientific fact that a fertilized egg a living human being and abortion is murder, you would not have any abortion.”
ferb123 wrote:
Really? Then explain this riddle if a pregnant woman is murdered the killer is charged with a double-homicide. Plus what you just said makes about as much sense as my dog when you ask him a question and expect an answer back in English.
Look at me
That explains that creatures previous question.
Macker wrote:
Yep….gives me shivers……
Mini Foster is boring. I’m gonna watch the game.
The concept of life and when it is present (formation of a brain stem and presence of a heartbeat at about THREE weeks after conception, usually before the mother even realizes she is pregnant) is the same, to me, as what we quantify death (absence of a heartbeat and absence of brain stem activity).
song_and_dance_man wrote:
I would prefer that Ferb. He doesn’t speak unless there’s something intelligent to be said. Plus he understands the need for hard work.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
@ song_and_dance_man:
A NANCY!!!!! LOL!
Calo wrote:
BAM! Word Calo! Ferb that there is science.
life=working against entropy
death=entropy at work
a different way to look at the argument
Who is this nancy. Why, it’s Foster in home made capris
Lily wrote:
According to german law this would not be a double-homicide.
@ song_and_dance_man:
My mother used to try to make me pants when I was a little kid.
Absolutely hideous!
song_and_dance_man wrote:
Why yes!!!!
coldwarrior wrote:
The second law of thermodynamics at work. Science binds those who try to work against it.
ferb123 wrote:
Oh so we should go by German law???? Sorry this is the United States thank God.
@ Lily:
Yes, the legal definition of death is absence of a heartbeat and brain stem function.
Therefore the definition of life should be _______________?
muttersöhnchen
ferb123 wrote:
i oNCE saw the first sighting second bird that mama siad, just listen.
@ Lily:
I don’t think Germans really want to get into discussions about what constitutes murder…
//
Calo wrote:
Heartbeat and brain stem function. Which a sonogram shows.
Ferb is twisted in his thinking.
Calo wrote:
A kegger?
/
song_and_dance_man wrote:
And the little bird was hungry in the snow.
O’Reilly just read an email from someone who asked why FEMA didn’t loan generators to the gas stations that were without power.
O’Reilly said “Who the bleep knows?” (yes, he said “bleep”)
I think he’s getting tired of not having power at his house…
@ Lily:
You don’t even need a sonogram to prove the presence of the two..See, it IS actually science!
@ lobo91:
Ouch
@ Macker:
Right in Obama’s face…
lobo91 wrote:
Especially since modern German abortion law is based on a combination of the western german model which was an evolution of the Nazi model and the eastern german model which was based on the communist model.
Not exactly something that makes you go “Oh, what a good idea”. (Even though Europe raves about it and some lunatic libs want to import it here.)
Calo wrote:
Indeed! I sure would like ferb to debate my youngest son. My son would throw him out. A baby is a baby at the moment of conception.
Lily wrote:
I did not say you should go by german law. I just say that in germany this would be judged as single-homicide+forced abortion.
I dont know how the US handle such cases. My own opionion is “single-homicide+forced abortion”
@ Mars:
Double Ouch!!!!!
@ Mars:
That’s usually my standard for deciding something is a bad idea.
@ 287 lobo91: What are her favorite things? Ice Cream comes to my mind. Or bacon. But I read once when a dog or cat feels sick they will eat fresh grass.
@ ferb123:
I don’t remember asking your opinion about it. I was stating a fact here in the USA.
darkwords wrote:
I haven’t seen her eating grass.
I’m making some beef broth to put on her food. Maybe that will work.
@ 335 ferb123: You’ll feel silly in 100 years when science determines that life begins and evolves at conception and consciousness fully envelops at first breath. Pro Choice is fine, informed pro choice is better.
If the issues is that a child pre birth is not viable, then a man should be able to walk away from any responsibility. If a man has a responsibility here, then so should a woman. Let’s move into a world of equality and let bygones by bygones.
I think what baffles me about the liberal/european culture of death is this: It’s ok to kill babies and elderly, but guilty murderers aren’t to be killed.
Utterly nonsensical.
Lily wrote:
so if this example would be judged as double-homicide, its a riddle to me, since you allowed abortion with reason the fetus is not living human being but declared killing a pregnant woman as double-homicide.
@ ferb123:
Actually, it depends on the state here.
Mars wrote:
well they do need to cover their own asses no?
@ lobo91:
There are still FEMA generators left behind from the Derecho at public safety centers, clinics, V.F.D.s all across the Mid Atlantic. They passed them out in a flurry without transmittal recoords logging. Those little towns all over WVa and Va arn’t going to pipe up about possesion either
lobo91 wrote:
you know with Romney in the white house I am expecting to see states exercising rights a lot more, no?
Mars wrote:
What do you excatly mean by Nazi model and the eastern german model ???
lobo91 wrote:
True I should have been more clear…
Go research the court decision on abortion in german law. First you had the Western model, which was actually evolved from the original nazi abortion law established in 1943 where it was forbidden for all “Aryans” but was expanded to allow unrestricted abortion for all “inferiors”. This was changed not long after the war to extend protection to all Germans. Several years later it was again changed to allow abortion with restrictions. East German law was similar to West Germany until 1950 when they enacted a huge set of allowable exemptions in accordance with the laws of the Soviet State. 1976 Western German law was again changed to allow abortion in extreme circumstances up until the 12th week.
After reunification the German courts were required to create a law that would take into account both the Western law and the Eastern law. What they have now is the result. Unrestricted abortion in the first trimester. Late term allowable under negative situations, though there is usually no punishment for those who conduct late term abortions.
As abortion laws go I guess it really isn’t too extreme, and in fact does have required counseling and strict limits on state funding. But, as I have now laid out its history, you cannot deny where it came from.
Actually the more I read, if you have to have abortion then it isn’t really that bad of a law.
As for your comment about it not being a double homicide if an unborn child is killed in the commission of a crime, I actually can’t find any cases in german law yet. But, I have a hard time believing that is true considering this:
If it is life from the moment of conception than it is a double homicide. They have set their own precedent there.
Mars wrote:
Here you can find a case, where two men were jugded for murder of a woman + forced abortion
http://www.merkur-online.de/lokales/landkreis-erding/hoechststrafen-moerder-schwangerer-zorica-mm-1463121.html
ferb123 wrote:
this case explain it even clearer. Before birth it is not murder,
but it is ruled according to §218 StGB
http://www.juratelegramm.de/faelle/strafrecht/2_StR_336_07.htm
@ ferb123:
Please define death for me.
Mars wrote:
Actually the first abortion law §218 StGB was relased in 1871, which sentenced an abortion with up 5 years jail.
In 1926 this law has been changed, so under special circumstanced an abortion would not be punished. Abortion for medical reasons were allowed.
During the nazi times abortion for aryan women were strictened (even death sentence) but for non aryan woman it was allowed.
After 1945 all restriction introduced by the nazi were removed.
I would not say that the current german abortion laws are much inspired by how the nazi treated abortion.
Calo wrote:
enduring nonfunctionality of the brain.
@ ferb123:
Yes, absence of brain stem reflexes defines death.
@ ferb123:
Now, please define life for me.
I’m gonna drop a drive-by comment here. Ferb 123 is at least being civil, not blatantly insulting as some others we’ve seen. He’s voicing his opinion. I even agree with some of what he’s said.
I think abortion is a private personal choice, and that should not be outlawed. That doesn’t mean I support abortion as a contraceptive. There are other much better options.
@ Calo:
42
Calo wrote:
my persanal view is that human life starts after birth.
ferb123 wrote:
my persanal view is that human life starts after birth.
I’ll not agree with that persanal view, butt you’re allowed your opinion in my opinion.
@ Bunk X:
Not sure I’m following you there Bunk.
Comment 42, 42 days, 42 weeks?
What does 42 mean?
And, I am probably the worst Catholic on this blog.
I was just looking for clarification on the definition of life from Ferb. He seems to be across the board on the definition.
@ ferb123:
Ahh, so life begins and ends with respiration?