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A Little Lesson On Polling, Before Half The Country Screams.

by Flyovercountry ( 295 Comments › )
Filed under Elections 2012, Politics, Polls at November 6th, 2012 - 8:00 am

Political Cartoons by Eric Allie

Tomorrow night, somewhere near half of the country will undoubtedly be crying foul, because their predictions for who would be the winner and who they voted for fell somewhat short of reality. Before you Democrats scream bloody murder about how Barack Obama could not possibly have lost the election when everyone you knew voted for him, and all of those polls said otherwise, maybe a small lesson as to how those models are put together, and why some are more predictive than others is in order.

This year has been one of the most egregious in my memory as far as pollsters using their publications to sway public opinion rather than recording it. It became so blatant this year, that the Obama Administration actually filed suit against Gallop, for using an unapproved demographic model in one of the polls that they published.

When you read the top line on a poll, you will see something like this:

Based on a survey of 750 likely voters, x percent support Barack Obama, y percent support Mitt Romney, z percent support another candidate, and t percent are undecided.

What you may not know is how that top line is constructed. First things first, it was not put together with a mere 750 interviews. For that model populace of 750 likely voters, our polling company probably conducted between 1500 and 2250 interviews. In order to collect those interviews, our polling company probably logged around 12500 phone calls. Out of those results, a sample population was literally constructed, based on the polling company’s educated guess as to what the demographic make up of the electorate would eventually be.

What is uncanny, is that within the 20 or so subgroups that make up the eventual demographic model, the polling companies will be in very close agreement. That is to say, in a much simpler version of one of their subgroups, they all pretty much agree that 86% of people who self identify as Republicans will be voting for Mitt Romney, and that 85% of those who self identify as Democrats will be voting for Barack Obama. To be certain, those groups are further splintered into categories delineated by age, gender, education, income, profession, and anything else the pollster feels is pertinent.

Where the pollsters disagree is in what that population that finally makes it to the polling booth will ultimately look like. Something that you may have noticed in some of the criticisms are the D/R/I splits. This is the easiest piece of information that will, within seconds give you some idea as to which way a polling company may be skewing its results. During the 2008 elections, the final model had a partisan split that favored Democrats by 8%. The D/R/I split was 39/31/30. For the midterm elections of 2010, that model had changed to reflect this split, 36/35/29.

So, we can see that relatively small changes in the demographics can lead to vastly differing results. A Democrat wave election of 2008 was changed to an historic Republican wave election in 2010 with our model’s makeup shifting in the following manner, 3% smaller representation of Democrats, a 4% increase in the representation of Republicans, and a 1% decrease in the percentage of Independents.

When the pollster contacts a respondent and asks those important questions about support and intentions, he will also ask for some demographic information. At the end of the day, he will know already that he wants his model to be x number of people who are 18 to 29 year old Republican men, and y number of 29 to 40 year old Democrat women, and so forth. That definitely will not be represented exactly in the number of respondents. What he will have is some representation from each of those groups that is included in his sample demographic.

This is how that sample is constructed. The model’s makeup is, within most polls, predetermined, before the first interview is conducted. So, we’ll give our example model a breakdown of 40/40/20, just as an example. The pollsters may have contacted, quite by accident more females then males, more Republicans than Democrats, more younger people than older, or any other possibility. For the ease of use, our example is only worried about total Democrats, total Republicans, and total independents. Out of 750 likely voters, we have determined that there will be 300 Democrats, 300 Republicans, and 150 Independents, regardless of who was actually contacted. If 86% of Republicans responded that they plan of voting for Mitt Romney, then the total added to his top line from that group will be 258. We’ll give Barack Obama the remaining 42. From the Democrats who responded, 255 will be added to Obama’s top line number with 45 being credited to Mitt Romney. Amongst the independents, let’s assume that they’ll split straight down the middle, for 75 each. This gives us a made up poll of a statistical tie, almost exactly 50/50. What happens to our example if we change the model?

Applying the interview results to the 2008 demographic split, we get a result that gives Barack Obama a decisive victory of 52.5% to 47.5%. If however, the demographics for the voting populace looks like the 2010 model, the same exact poll finishes with a top line that reads Obama 50.40% to Romney 49.60%, a much different result.

Bear in mind that in every poll which exists in the real world, Romney is winning the independents by huge double digit margins. In the last 7 Presidential Elections, the demographic split in the voting model reflected the previous midterm election almost exactly, and not the previous Presidential election. The polling companies today are trying their level best to pretend that 2010 plainly did not happen, and so by the way is our President. It is therefor hard to understand on what basis anyone with any sense of history is able to look at this year’s election and determine that not only will this old and tested rule be thrown out completely, but that the percentage make up of Democrats will exceed the record breaking make up of the 2008 elections by a ridiculous margin.

The bottom line is therefore easy to manipulate, base on the ultimate make up of the partisan split. For instance, if the sample chosen reflects something that looks like the latest piece of fiction as published by ABC, with a partisan split that predicts the D/R/I split will be 40/29/31, their numbers within the subgroups may be dead on accurate, but the question any sane person would ask, is where on Earth did you come up with that sample?

During the election of 2004, all of the major networks put together exit polling data based on unbelievably optimistic partisan models and announced around noon on election day that John Kerry would be inaugurated as our 44th President. So believing in the less than perfect science of polling were the Democrats at the time, that cries of shenanigans were shouted through out the land. Court challenges were filed, and subsequently thrown out by judges who are still laughing. (By the way, will somebody please tell the good people at NBC that they can call Ohio for George W. Bush already, it is now 8 full years past the election.) It is necessary to read usually until page 29 or 30 of published polls to see how they derived their top line numbers, and usually those methods of construction are more important than the headline the polling company gives its product.

Normally, I wouldn’t bother with an essay that was designed to prove to an unsuspecting public just exactly how wonkish I am, but when I see people on my side react with the same Eeyoreish hysteria each and every time one of these polls gets released, it makes me want to scream, wake up, we’ve all seen this movie before.

On Wednesday, the rest of us will know what the internal pollsters of each of the campaigns have told the respective candidates, that Mitt Romney will be our 45th President, and Barack Obama will have two years on the lecture circuit campaigning to win his party’s nomination for 2016. Every Democrat and his brother will be screaming bloody murder that the polls could not possibly have been that wrong, even though they’ve never actually gotten it right.

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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295 Responses to “A Little Lesson On Polling, Before Half The Country Screams.”
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  1. eaglesoars
    1 | November 6, 2012 8:09 am

    Flyover, this is a really good piece. Thanks. As a footnote, check this out.

    Obama will declare victory early in order to supress Romney votes.

    Don’t buy it.


  2. 2 | November 6, 2012 8:18 am

    Good article! It is what people need to know about polls. There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Polls are all three. Takning an unbiased, representative poll is hard. Getting a poll to say what you want it to say, OTOH, is pretty easy. The media have their narrative that they want to sell, and all the pollsters have cooperated with it. So when you are told that CNN has Romney tied with Obama, and that the split is D+11 (11ty!!), those in thenknow realize that had the sample been better constructed Romney would be winning comfortably. There’s no way Obama gets D+11 anywhere outside of San Franscisco. I thi8nk the real polls must be disasters for Obama. That’s why they are so transparently cooking the books for him.


  3. MikeA
    3 | November 6, 2012 8:18 am

    Thank you sir for putting a great piece together to simply explain how the polling results are generated. While I knew some of it from stats classes that I long since forgetten (and with therapy will forget about yet again), you have forged a wonderful piece.


  4. 4 | November 6, 2012 8:19 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’ve got a headline on that. I can see Obama trying it, and I can see the MFM going along with him. This is a get-out-the-vote election, and Obama will do anything he can to suppress our votes.


  5. ferb123
    5 | November 6, 2012 8:22 am

    Hello
    pollsters said that do not weight their polls by party identification

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/republicans-to-pollsters-too-many-democrats-in-your-surveys-20120925

    meanwhile at intrade: Obama winning chance 70.9% :mrgreen:
    http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=743474


  6. rain of lead
    6 | November 6, 2012 8:24 am

    something else for ya’ll to remember

    Will Someone in the Press Prematurely Project Obama the Winner Based on Dem-Dominated 31-State Exit Polls?

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/11/06/will-someone-press-prematurely-project-obama-winner-based-dem-dominated-#ixzz2BRryYcWw

    Set against this expectation, don’t be surprised if someone in the press, perhaps even at one of the big networks, gets overexcited and projects Barack Obama the election winner based on Tuesday’s early exit polls without realizing that their scope and design have changed from previous presidential elections in two fundamental ways.

    Networks, AP cancel exit polls in 19 states

    Breaking from two decades of tradition, this year’s election exit poll is set to include surveys of voters in 31 states, not all 50 as it has for the past five presidential elections, according to multiple people involved in the planning.

    Imagine that. The exit pollsters have excluded only four tiny 2008 Obama-favoring enclaves (three states and DC) with less than 4 million people and only 14 electoral votes, while casting aside 16 McCain-supporting states with about 24% of the nation’s population and 149 electoral votes, well over half of the 270 needed for victory. How convenient.

    Why exclude deep-red Texas but not deep-blue, heavily populated, and likely non-competitive California, Illinois, or New York?

    Despite what ABC’s Merkel has said about the continued existence of a true “national exit poll,” it seems pretty likely that news organizations will be receiving “overall” demographic-driven exit polling results from the 31 included states similar in appearance to ones presented in previous years which included the entire country. They will clearly show Obama leading Romney (if they don’t, we’re looking at a Romney landslide of epic proportions). Murphy’s Law (anything that can go wrong, will go wrong) says there’s a high likelihood that someone either won’t notice or won’t be told that this year’s “overall” demographic results aren’t comprehensive, and will jump at the chance to break what ends up being a bogus “Obama Pulling Away” or “Obama Wins” story.


  7. coldwarrior
    7 | November 6, 2012 8:25 am

    clarion county PA, (r) tom smith is not on the ballot on the machines.

    he is running for senate, no big deal, just write it in.


  8. coldwarrior
    8 | November 6, 2012 8:27 am

    @ ferb123:

    when your man loses today i expect you to be here, standing tall to take the abuse at 0900 eastern time tomorrow. if not i will delete your account.

    you can dish it out, i expect you to be able to take it.


  9. rain of lead
    9 | November 6, 2012 8:27 am

    @ ferb123:

    welcome back
    did you enjoy your ass beating from last night
    you really must have a thing for pain


  10. rain of lead
    10 | November 6, 2012 8:32 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    heh
    the little pos sure got quiet


  11. eaglesoars
    11 | November 6, 2012 8:34 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    you can dish it out, i expect you to be able to take it.

    This should be fun.


  12. coldwarrior
    12 | November 6, 2012 8:34 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    heh
    the little pos sure got quiet

    and if his man wins i expect everyone to be here to take abuse from him


  13. eaglesoars
    13 | November 6, 2012 8:37 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Obama will do anything he can to suppress our votes.

    Did you see the video Fox just aired of the New Black Panthers ‘guarding’ a polling place?

    I’m so glad I live in Virginia. I can take my gun(s) to the grocery store.

    back to bed. Molly had a difficult nite.


  14. ferb123
    14 | November 6, 2012 8:38 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    welcome back
    did you enjoy your ass beating from last night
    you really must have a thing for pain

    I enjoy every day here :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


  15. rain of lead
    15 | November 6, 2012 8:38 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    well if Obama wins he should be able to crow
    I really don’t think the American people are THAT stupid
    turnout
    turnout
    turnout
    turnout!


  16. Canoe Convoy
    16 | November 6, 2012 8:39 am

    I voted this morning. Voter # 45 — that was me.


  17. 17 | November 6, 2012 8:40 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’d have liked one of the SOBs to try and intimidate me. I’d have been so intimidated I’d have killed him.


  18. rain of lead
    18 | November 6, 2012 8:42 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    the crap that is gonna go on today is gonna be epic
    (and not in a good way)


  19. coldwarrior
    19 | November 6, 2012 8:43 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Did you see the video Fox just aired of the New Black Panthers ‘guarding’ a polling place?

    bring that son of a bitch over here to bitter clinger country.


  20. ferb123
    20 | November 6, 2012 8:48 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    when your man loses today i expect you to be here, standing tall to take the abuse at 0900 eastern time tomorrow. if not i will delete your account.
    you can dish it out, i expect you to be able to take it.

    hmmm, lets see. 9 am EST tomorrow spanking session with coldwarrior @blogmocracy. Marked. :mrgreen:


  21. eaglesoars
    21 | November 6, 2012 8:48 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’d have liked one of the SOBs to try and intimidate me. I’d have been so intimidated I’d have killed him.

    coldwarrior wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Did you see the video Fox just aired of the New Black Panthers ‘guarding’ a polling place?

    bring that son of a bitch over here to bitter clinger country.

    One of these days, we need a thread on MEN

    And the women who love them.

    ok. sleep


  22. coldwarrior
    22 | November 6, 2012 8:48 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    we vote in the basement of an old italian catholic chuch. maleek shabasshole wouldnt last 2 minutes there if yinz know what i mean.


  23. 23 | November 6, 2012 8:48 am

    Already a long, slow line here in AZ.

    Don’t mind the line as much as the disgusting old fart in line behind me chewing his gum halfway out his mouth. And he just belched.


  24. 24 | November 6, 2012 8:48 am

    Here is a link to the local Pittsburgh morning talk station’s streaming broadcast. Quinn and Rose in The War Room for western PA updates and reports of Demcong shenanigans

    http://www.iheart.com/#/live/2025/?autoplay=true

    http://www.warroom.com/index.php?signedup=1


  25. 25 | November 6, 2012 8:51 am

    I give it no more than a 50-50 chance that anything will be settled by 9 AM EST tomorrow.


  26. Miss Trixie
    26 | November 6, 2012 8:51 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    Obama will do anything he can to suppress our votes.
    Did you see the video Fox just aired of the New Black Panthers ‘guarding’ a polling place?
    I’m so glad I live in Virginia. I can take my gun(s) to the grocery store.
    back to bed. Molly had a difficult nite.

    Morning -- sent you an email last night.

    New avatar BTW. :cool:


  27. citizen_q
    27 | November 6, 2012 8:51 am

    Wifey and I voted this morning together.

    Doing our little part to turn MD into a red state.


  28. mawskrat
    28 | November 6, 2012 8:52 am

    Good Mornin All…..make it a great day by voting


  29. rain of lead
    29 | November 6, 2012 8:53 am

    looking around the net at reports of voting in ohio
    huge numbers of Romney voters
    every one saying massive turnout


  30. citizen_q
    30 | November 6, 2012 8:54 am

    @ Miss Trixie:
    I am looking forward to needing a new avatar.


  31. rain of lead
    31 | November 6, 2012 8:54 am

    @ Miss Trixie:

    hey chick
    long time no see
    welcome back


  32. coldwarrior
    32 | November 6, 2012 8:54 am

    @ Scott Madsen:

    my gf in high school babysat for him…back in the b94 daze


  33. rain of lead
    34 | November 6, 2012 8:58 am

    woah

    Final Romney Rally Rocks New Hampshire: 10K Overflow Crowd at 11PM

    Mitt Romney closed his campaign in the state where it began — New Hampshire — in front of a raucous, energetic, and enthusiastic crowd of over 10,000 at the Verizon Center. Thousands more people were outside of the arena, unable to get into the event.


  34. Storagemanager
    35 | November 6, 2012 8:58 am

    Pardon me…I need to throw up….

    KEANSBURG, N.J. – New Jersey’s famously tough-talking governor finally got a hug from his longest-running unrequited love.

    Speaking Monday at a briefing on storm recovery. Gov. Chris Christie revealed he unexpectedly spoke with Bruce Springsteen earlier in the day. Christie had been discussing storm-related matters with President Barack Obama when Obama handed the phone to Springsteen, who was traveling with him as part of a campaign trip.

    Christie also said he got a hug from Springsteen at Friday’s benefit concert for victims of Superstorm Sandy.

    The famously liberal Springsteen had never previously acknowledged the Republican governor. Christie considers himself among The Boss’ biggest fans and has attended hundreds of his concerts.

    Christie has praised Obama’s handling of the storm, while continuing to back Mitt Romney.

    Christie says he wept at home after talking by phone to his idol, calling it a major highlight during a tough week.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/05/christie-call-from-springsteen-made-me-weep/#ixzz2BS0tR7Ps


  35. coldwarrior
    36 | November 6, 2012 8:59 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ ferb123:
    when your man loses today i expect you to be here, standing tall to take the abuse at 0900 eastern time tomorrow. if not i will delete your account.
    you can dish it out, i expect you to be able to take it.

    hmmm, lets see. 9 am EST tomorrow spanking session with coldwarrior @blogmocracy. Marked.

    i will be in the ICU saving lives tomorrow AM. the crew here can more than handle you


  36. 37 | November 6, 2012 9:00 am

    @ Miss Trixie:

    {Miss Trixie}

    :P


  37. rain of lead
    38 | November 6, 2012 9:00 am

    @ ferb123:

    so if I read that right, it says the polls are crap.
    we knew that already

    what else ya got?


  38. 39 | November 6, 2012 9:01 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    Damn, I’m not that impressed by anybody.


  39. Storagemanager
    40 | November 6, 2012 9:01 am

    Thank GOD we have Obama!

    Russian Nuclear Sub Spotted Near US East Coast

    A Russian nuclear-powered attack submarine sailed within 200 miles of the U.S. East Coast, defense officials told a Washington newspaper.
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/


  40. rain of lead
    41 | November 6, 2012 9:02 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    no worries
    the little pest won’t be back
    after Obama loses, he’ll crawl back under his rock


  41. 42 | November 6, 2012 9:03 am

    @ rain of lead:

    [Dark, malevolent laughter]

    Obama couldn’t get but 15,000 at his Rally in Wisconsin yesterday, and that was during the day. I linked Althouse on it.


  42. coldwarrior
    43 | November 6, 2012 9:03 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Thank GOD we have Obama!
    Russian Nuclear Sub Spotted Near US East Coast
    A Russian nuclear-powered attack submarine sailed within 200 miles of the U.S. East Coast, defense officials told a Washington newspaper.
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/

    american nuke subs spotted off the coast of russia.

    this is what the sub guys do. now back to your regularly scheduled program


  43. rain of lead
    44 | November 6, 2012 9:04 am

    a metaphor

    Obama Ends Campaign in Half-Empty Arena


  44. Storagemanager
    45 | November 6, 2012 9:05 am

    A nation of dumpster diving, gas lines, class warfare, race cards, and no jobs.

    “This is about revenge.”
    — Rush Limbaugh on the policies of President Obama, February 27, 2009

    “Voting is the best revenge.”
    -- Barack Obama, November 2, 2012

    It was the grand leftist experiment.

    It was Obama’s Revenge
    http://spectator.org/archives/2012/11/06/obamas-revenge-americas-challe


  45. 46 | November 6, 2012 9:06 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Good guy doing a lot for us…. I’ve bumped into him a few times around the south hills here in PGH.


  46. Miss Trixie
    47 | November 6, 2012 9:07 am

    citizen_q wrote:

    @ Miss Trixie:
    I am looking forward to needing a new avatar.

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ Miss Trixie:
    hey chick
    long time no see
    welcome back

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Miss Trixie:
    {Miss Trixie}

    ♪ ♫ Good morning ♪ ♫ {{{all}}}!


  47. citizen_q
    48 | November 6, 2012 9:08 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    Damn, I’m not that impressed by anybody.

    Christie is exhibiting serial character flaws. I hope he is smart and stays in NJ. The country cannot afford more pols such as him.


  48. Storagemanager
    49 | November 6, 2012 9:09 am

    8 Reasons You Aren’t Safer than You Were 4 Years Ago

    The case against the appeaser-in-chief. http://pjmedia.com/blog/8-reasons-you-arent-safer-than-4-years-ago/


  49. bluliner10
    50 | November 6, 2012 9:09 am

    @ Storagemanager:
    I heard Rush go back to that Feb 2009 comment yesterday. Stunning in his prediction.


  50. 51 | November 6, 2012 9:10 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    We gave one of their ELINT ships safe harbour in Jacksonville while Sandy was passing. Too damn close to Savannah for my liking.


  51. 53 | November 6, 2012 9:12 am

    A prediction, with the methodology, and charts, ‘n shit :P

    As for where to place the line, I began with the RCP average* of Obama over Romney by 48.3 to 47.8 percent. And I decided to place that at 70% on the VAP scale, since our three known data points on that scale are between 68.6 and 73.2 percent turnout. That means that an oversample of 10% unlikely voters in our samples gives Barack Obama an advantage of 2.2% above where he would sit if turnout is 60% instead of 70%. Taking 1.1% away from Obama and giving 1.1% to Romney gives us a new estimate Romney over Obama by 48.9% to 47.2%.

    Finally, to account for 3.9% that are undecideds or others, I just split them proportionately while leaving 1% for other candidates. That gives us a final prediction of Romney over Obama by 50.4% to 48.6%. In other words, I am projecting a result similar to Scenario 3, giving Mitt Romney approximately 295 electoral votes.

    I’ll take that.


  52. Storagemanager
    54 | November 6, 2012 9:17 am

    Trolls…did you see storage link to the boogeyman

    With Election Day arriving, Newsmax magazine features billionaire business mogul David Koch in a rare and exclusive interview and cover story

    Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com: http://www.newsmax.com/#ixzz2BS5e7k5C
    Follow us: @newsmax_media on Twitter | newsmax on Facebook
    Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama’s Re-Election? Vote Here Now!


  53. rain of lead
    55 | November 6, 2012 9:17 am

    the girl is outof school today
    she might post here under my nic

    told her to id herself if she does


  54. 56 | November 6, 2012 9:18 am

    I am eating a Isley’s chipped ham and Lebanon Bologna w/american cheese sandwich and drinking a Yeungling for breakfast as a plenary act to the spirits of clingers past to guide the hands of the Pennsylvania electorate on this fateful day.


  55. coldwarrior
    57 | November 6, 2012 9:19 am

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    We gave one of their ELINT ships safe harbour in Jacksonville while Sandy was passing. Too damn close to Savannah for my liking.

    i am FAR more worried about the muzz and the commies who are here in this country now than some russian naval vessel.


  56. coldwarrior
    58 | November 6, 2012 9:20 am

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    I am eating a Isley’s chipped ham and Lebanon Bologna w/american cheese sandwich and drinking a Yeungling for breakfast as a plenary act to the spirits of clingers past to guide the hands of the Pennsylvania electorate on this fateful day.

    ah, a high church yinzer!


  57. Storagemanager
    59 | November 6, 2012 9:21 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Scott Madsen wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    We gave one of their ELINT ships safe harbour in Jacksonville while Sandy was passing. Too damn close to Savannah for my liking.

    i am FAR more worried about the muzz and the commies who are here in this country now than some russian naval vessel.

    Russia and China back Iran and Syria and will use Iran like a weapon.


  58. Storagemanager
    60 | November 6, 2012 9:23 am

    Drudge…four more tears

    In a conference call this afternoon, President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign had one central message for their supporters when Election Day arrives tomorrow: They should “keep calm,” even if they hear snippets of information favoring Republican Mitt Romney. http://www.drudgereport.com/


  59. coldwarrior
    61 | November 6, 2012 9:27 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    Scott Madsen wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    We gave one of their ELINT ships safe harbour in Jacksonville while Sandy was passing. Too damn close to Savannah for my liking.
    i am FAR more worried about the muzz and the commies who are here in this country now than some russian naval vessel.

    Russia and China back Iran and Syria and will use Iran like a weapon.

    bullshit.

    and i am in no mood to explain why this morning.

    russia is not the enemy. our real dangerous enemies are already HERE in america right now


  60. John Difool
    62 | November 6, 2012 9:28 am

    Our division in Richmond literally shut down today because the Mayors office decided utility contractors were not allowed to go out & perform work on election day.

    In other words, don’t want to tie the streets up so someone might be a few minutes later to vote for Obama.

    The Dems are scared shitless down here.


  61. rain of lead
    63 | November 6, 2012 9:28 am

    Romney up 92K in OH early voting?

    hmmmm

    So says Gannett’s Cincinnati.com, which has the data from the state government posted at its site this morning. I put the question mark on the data because I don’t see anything up yet at the Ohio Secretary of State’s website, but occasionally the media will get updates prior to the website. According to the data, Mitt Romney already has 697,143 votes before the polls opened a couple of hours ago, while Barack Obama only has 605,546, a difference of almost 92,000 votes. The data is time-stamped at 2:03 ET this morning, and the link on the front page of the site reads, “Early voters: How Ohio has voted.”

    Cuyahoga, which includes Cleveland, should be a Democratic stronghold, and perhaps the one area where Democratic early-voting efforts should have produced their biggest lead. Instead, Romney has a lead of about 14,000 votes already, 127,570 to 113,373. In Hamilton County, where Cincinnati itself is located, Romney leads by over 5,000, 29,969 to 24,808. A quick scan of the data shows Romney leading in every county with more than 25,000 EVs.

    This may be a very big deal, if these numbers are correct


  62. 64 | November 6, 2012 9:28 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Dearbornistan and on the Plateau near Nashville. Damned Right they are already here. We’ve been importing them like they were made of gold.


  63. Storagemanager
    65 | November 6, 2012 9:29 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    I study this shit..sell it to someone else.


  64. coldwarrior
    66 | November 6, 2012 9:30 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I study this shit..sell it to someone else.

    i live it.

    so sell it somewhere else pal.


  65. Storagemanager
    67 | November 6, 2012 9:30 am

    I said Islam was winning in 06 and took shit….bring it…I know of what I speak.


  66. coldwarrior
    68 | November 6, 2012 9:31 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Dearbornistan and on the Plateau near Nashville. Damned Right they are already here. We’ve been importing them like they were made of gold.

    yeah, lets not check that out.

    its like washing hands after the virus is already in the body.


  67. Storagemanager
    69 | November 6, 2012 9:32 am

    06 lgf….good Islam is helping us in Iraq…hahahahahahahahahahahaha


  68. Storagemanager
    70 | November 6, 2012 9:32 am

    good islam…hahahahahahahahaha


  69. 71 | November 6, 2012 9:33 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    You’re correct, slinging payloads is a bit messy, archaic, and unnecessary when all you have to do is sit back and watch seeds long planted strangle the native flora.


  70. EBL
    72 | November 6, 2012 9:33 am

    @ Storagemanager:Where?


  71. 73 | November 6, 2012 9:34 am

    @ rain of lead:

    IF those numbers are correct, Romney has won Ohio. I expect the Republicans to get more votes today no matter what the early vote tally really is. Obama’s “Firewall” was to be way up in EVs. If he is down he is already done.


  72. Storagemanager
    74 | November 6, 2012 9:34 am

    PM of Turkey…there is no good or bad Islam…there is just Islam.


  73. John Difool
    75 | November 6, 2012 9:34 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    In 2008 as soon as the polls opened at 6 a.m. the line was out of the building & into the parking lot. i live in Bobby Scott’s district which is predominantly Democrat & my polling location is minority heavy.

    At 6 a.m. this morning the line was only halfway up the hallway in the school where I vote so maybe this is a good omen as far as Dem enthusiasm.


  74. Storagemanager
    76 | November 6, 2012 9:35 am

    EBL wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:Where?

    where what?…


  75. coldwarrior
    77 | November 6, 2012 9:35 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    russia is not our enemy, they are competitors in the global game. islam and the left are. they are real, they are here, and no one wants to admit it.

    we have idiots in the gop who will bitch all day against russia and not bother to look in our own borders for the virus. its easy to blame an external force. its tough to look inside


  76. coldwarrior
    78 | November 6, 2012 9:37 am

    time to go vote.

    i bet none of the brave homies from the black panthers are at my polling place.

    two thumbs louie and nickie the knife wont play that game


  77. Storagemanager
    79 | November 6, 2012 9:37 am

    Google …Russia and China back Syria and China…
    About 116,000,000 results (0.33 seconds) http://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=Russia+and+China+back+Syria+and+Iran&oq=Russia+and+China+back+Syria+and+Iran&gs_l=hp.3…1834.14418.0.14805.36.32.0.1.1.1.891.7421.0j2j3j2j3j2j4.16.0.les%3B..0.0…1c.1.Ercbc9sorcM&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=105ad04a2e2a7787&bpcl=37189454&biw=1680&bih=904


  78. rain of lead
    80 | November 6, 2012 9:38 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think obama’s firewall is on fire like a california hillside
    during summertime


  79. Storagemanager
    81 | November 6, 2012 9:38 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Google …Russia and China back Syria and China…
    About 116,000,000 results (0.33 seconds) http://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=Russia+and+China+back+Syria+and+Iran&oq=Russia+and+China+back+Syria+and+Iran&gs_l=hp.3…1834.14418.0.14805.36.32.0.1.1.1.891.7421.0j2j3j2j3j2j4.16.0.les%3B..0.0…1c.1.Ercbc9sorcM&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=105ad04a2e2a7787&bpcl=37189454&biw=1680&bih=904

    should be Iran and Syria sorry.


  80. John Difool
    82 | November 6, 2012 9:38 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    A top cleric said Russia is the #1 enemy to Islam. Our real enemies our the Marxist interlopers who have managed to install themselves into the highest offices in the land.

    If there’s any doubt, just check out what Valerie Jarret said this morning & be afraid….be very afraid. Glenn Beck is all over it right now.


  81. 83 | November 6, 2012 9:39 am

    @ John Difool:

    Let’s hope. I know we have the enthusiasm this election, and if Gallup’s demographic prediction is close, that’ll carry the day for us. Also remember, all the polls show Romney doing veryu well with independents. It is only by over-representing Democrats that they are able to keep the polls competitive.


  82. rain of lead
    84 | November 6, 2012 9:41 am

    play nice
    back at lunch time


  83. RIX
    85 | November 6, 2012 9:41 am

    There is a Black Panther at the same Philly voting
    station as four years ago.
    He is opening doors for voters in his para-military uniform.
    He is able to do this due to Holder & a court consent decree.
    There should be a cop standing right next to him.


  84. MikeA
    86 | November 6, 2012 9:42 am

    @ John Difool:

    Got a link to what Jarrett said?


  85. Storagemanager
    87 | November 6, 2012 9:43 am

    And the Muslim brotherhood is not building a Caliphate with Americas help….hahahahahaha….maybe sleeping sheep listen…I do not.


  86. John Difool
    88 | November 6, 2012 9:43 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Let’s hope. I know we have the enthusiasm this election, and if Gallup’s demographic prediction is close, that’ll carry the day for us. Also remember, all the polls show Romney doing veryu well with independents. It is only by over-representing Democrats that they are able to keep the polls competitive.

    Not only that oversampling Dems but the media bleating the narrative that Obama has basically already won the election trying to tamp down conservative enthusiasm.

    If it’s close, you can count on several Dem media outlets calling it for Obama early to attempt conservatives from showing up at the polls like they did in 2000.


  87. 89 | November 6, 2012 9:44 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    ……you forgot Icepick Pete. He’s gone I’m sure, but the guy was so notorious I knew of him from an elderly Yinzer neighbor I drank and bitched about Clinton with in the Carolinas ten years before I moved here


  88. John Difool
    90 | November 6, 2012 9:46 am

    MikeA wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Got a link to what Jarrett said?

    No, but Beck was saying what she said in a nutshell was that they in essence have been compiling an enemies list during this campaign & won’t forget who their friends & who they’re enemies are after this election.

    That’s the sort of talk you’d expect straight out of Venezuela or any other banana republic


  89. Storagemanager
    91 | November 6, 2012 9:47 am

    Syrian Demonstrators: ‘To Hell with Freedom!’ We Want Islamic Caliphate, Koranic-Rule and AK-47s http://www.theblaze.com/stories/syrian-demonstrators-to-hell-with-freedom-we-want-islamic-caliphate-koranic-rule-and-ak-47s/


  90. Storagemanager
    92 | November 6, 2012 9:48 am

    Breaking: Obama Administration Hid Secret Meetings With Iran From Israel http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/horror-valerie-jarrett-is-meeting-with-iranians-on-nukes-and-israel/


  91. Storagemanager
    93 | November 6, 2012 9:49 am

    Fox news tv…RECORD turnout.


  92. bluliner10
    95 | November 6, 2012 9:52 am

    Today will or should be a good day. America will return to true prominence in the world, and the NHL should get back to work entertaining me.


  93. 96 | November 6, 2012 9:53 am

    @ John Difool:

    Did she say it again or is this a report from last week when she paid a visit to the Chicago headquarters.

    Original report came to Ulsterman from a in the room at the event campaign leaker to Wall Street Insider:

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/11/01/valerie-jarret-after-we-win-this-election-its-our-turn-payback-time-wsi/


  94. John Difool
    97 | November 6, 2012 9:54 am

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Did she say it again or is this a report from last week when she paid a visit to the Chicago headquarters.
    Original report came to Ulsterman from a in the room at the event campaign leaker to Wall Street Insider:
    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/11/01/valerie-jarret-after-we-win-this-election-its-our-turn-payback-time-wsi/

    Yea, that’s it. First time I heard about it though.

    Nevertheless, that’s crazy talk, pure & simple.


  95. Storagemanager
    98 | November 6, 2012 9:58 am

    The world needs a global capital and it should be the capital of Islamic Turkey, Istanbul, according to a UN special representative. Richard Falk, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Palestinian human rights, wrote a Nov. 1, 2012, opinion piece for the controversial al Jazeera English site calling for a “global capital” because of integration “by markets, by globally constituted battlefields, by changing geopolitical patterns.”

    While Turkey is a longstanding US ally and a member of NATO, its nearly 80 million population is 99.8 percent Muslim, according to the CIA Factbook. Its Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has had several run-ins with Israel over access to Gaza. In March, he urged Israel to “stop the brutal attack against Palestinians and stop the massacre and bloodshed.” http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/7399


  96. Pitiricus
    99 | November 6, 2012 10:00 am

    The UN is a real waste of good real estate in NYC…


  97. Miss Trixie
    100 | November 6, 2012 10:00 am

    @ John Difool:

    According to Jarrett:

    “After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve. There is going to be hell to pay. Congress won’t be a problem for us this time. No election to worry about after this is over and we have two judges ready to go.”

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/11/01/valerie-jarret-after-we-win-this-election-its-our-turn-payback-time-wsi/


  98. Pitiricus
    101 | November 6, 2012 10:00 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    I hope it means great Republican turnout!


  99. Storagemanager
    102 | November 6, 2012 10:00 am

    Chris Matthews seen holding his leg and mumbling….the thrill is gone…the thrill is gone…


  100. John Difool
    103 | November 6, 2012 10:04 am

    Miss Trixie wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    According to Jarrett:
    “After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve. There is going to be hell to pay. Congress won’t be a problem for us this time. No election to worry about after this is over and we have two judges ready to go.”
    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/11/01/valerie-jarret-after-we-win-this-election-its-our-turn-payback-time-wsi/

    Two judges ready to go ‘eh? I assume she means after two of the current ones have suspicious accidents or contract mysterious illnesses.

    Thats some chilling shit right there.


  101. Storagemanager
    104 | November 6, 2012 10:04 am

    Judge issuing order to reinstate booted Philadelphia election officials, Republicans say

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/06/judge-issuing-order-to-reinstate-booted-philadelphia-election-officials/#ixzz2BSHXDwFE


  102. 105 | November 6, 2012 10:04 am

    @ John Difool:
    There is a well written article out there about the connections between Jarret’s Family, Axelrod’s, and Frank Marshall Davis that is frifgtening in its implications. She is the brain or control of the usurping marxist troika. Look at her eyes, you won’t like what you don’t find there.


  103. coldwarrior
    106 | November 6, 2012 10:05 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Google …Russia and China back Syria and China…
    About 116,000,000 results (0.33 seconds) http://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=Russia+and+China+back+Syria+and+Iran&oq=Russia+and+China+back+Syria+and+Iran&gs_l=hp.3…1834.14418.0.14805.36.32.0.1.1.1.891.7421.0j2j3j2j3j2j4.16.0.les%3B..0.0…1c.1.Ercbc9sorcM&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=105ad04a2e2a7787&bpcl=37189454&biw=1680&bih=904

    and since 2001 america has helped create 11 islamic republics for the caliphate and actively arms al-qeda.

    look inward first.

    blaming russia for our problems is like obmama blaming bush for the economy.


  104. Storagemanager
    107 | November 6, 2012 10:07 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    was just stating a fact…america backs the sunni and russia backs the shia…


  105. coldwarrior
    108 | November 6, 2012 10:07 am

    John Difool wrote:

    A top cleric said Russia is the #1 enemy to Islam. Our real enemies our the Marxist interlopers who have managed to install themselves into the highest offices in the land.

    oh certainly not!

    russia is evil! they are our enemy! they are the big threat!

    NOT

    :lol:

    islam hates russia because russia kills its islamic enemies, and now the russian orthodox church is on the rise again.

    russia becomes more christian while we circle the drain. yeah, lets blame russia some more!

    :lol:

    pathetic and lazy.


  106. RIX
    109 | November 6, 2012 10:08 am

    @ Miss Trixie:
    The money quote from Jarrett is “Congress won’t be a problem
    for us this time.”
    They will recognize no Constitutional restraints.
    Every war we have fought was to avoid this.


  107. John Difool
    110 | November 6, 2012 10:09 am

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    There is a well written article out there about the connections between Jarret’s Family, Axelrod’s, and Frank Marshall Davis that is frifgtening in its implications. She is the brain or control of the usurping marxist troika. Look at her eyes, you won’t like what you don’t find there.

    Believe you me, I’ve seen that woman’s eyes, she has doll-eyes…black & lifeless.

    Batshit crazy all the way.


  108. Storagemanager
    111 | November 6, 2012 10:11 am

    People should worry…..what will a lame duck ..pissed off Obama do to America?


  109. Canoe Convoy
    112 | November 6, 2012 10:11 am

    @ Scott Madsen:

    I dislike this. The only way to get rid of this individual is to vote in a new President. Tomorrow can’t arrive quickly enough.


  110. Storagemanager
    113 | November 6, 2012 10:12 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    SUNNI Islam hates Russia…not SHIA Islam.


  111. coldwarrior
    114 | November 6, 2012 10:12 am

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    ……you forgot Icepick Pete. He’s gone I’m sure, but the guy was so notorious I knew of him from an elderly Yinzer neighbor I drank and bitched about Clinton with in the Carolinas ten years before I moved here

    :lol:


  112. 115 | November 6, 2012 10:13 am

    Kirly wrote:

    Already a long, slow line here in AZ.
    Don’t mind the line as much as the disgusting old fart in line behind me chewing his gum halfway out his mouth. And he just belched.

    Just as long as he voted for Romney . . .


  113. John Difool
    116 | November 6, 2012 10:14 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    People should worry…..what will a lame duck ..pissed off Obama do to America?

    I’m not too concerned about this, he can’t do anything domestically that can’t be rolled back come January.

    However, as far as foreign, can’t remember who it was but they were saying he could very well start another war out of spite just to bog down & embroil the next administration in.

    I could totally see him doing that.


  114. Storagemanager
    117 | November 6, 2012 10:15 am

    Will a lame Duck Obama…open the gates of Gitmo?


  115. Storagemanager
    118 | November 6, 2012 10:16 am

    @ John Difool:
    Syria


  116. 119 | November 6, 2012 10:17 am

    Judge reinstates Republican election monitors pushed out by Demcong Philly election officials

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/06/judge-issuing-order-to-reinstate-booted-philadelphia-election-officials


  117. John Difool
    120 | November 6, 2012 10:18 am

    Storagemanager wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Syria

    By default that draws in Iran too, so sure, why not.


  118. John Difool
    121 | November 6, 2012 10:21 am

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    Judge reinstates Republican election monitors pushed out by Demcong Philly election officials
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/06/judge-issuing-order-to-reinstate-booted-philadelphia-election-officials

    Wonder how many U.N. election observers were present & lodged formal protests when those GOP poll watchers were evicted?


  119. Storagemanager
    122 | November 6, 2012 10:23 am

    Video: Michele Bachmann stands by questions about Muslim Brotherhood in last debate, another Huma Abedin defender revealed http://www.shoebat.com/


  120. Storagemanager
    123 | November 6, 2012 10:28 am

    The fight to see which SUNNI group will ruile Syria…

    The head of Syria’s main opposition group abroad said on Tuesday it should retain a “central role” in any unified front against President Bashar al-Assad, possibly complicating unity efforts among the Syrian leader’s opponents.

    Factions in the Syrian National Council (SNC) are jostling for influence before talks in Qatar on Thursday on uniting exile opposition groups with the opposition fighting in Syria, in a drive to gain international support and arms to pursue the struggle.

    But early signs of internal rifts at the Qatar talks cast doubt on the latest quest for opposition unity.

    “We will go to this meeting [on Thursday] with an open heart and mind but we affirm the need to maintain the central role of the SNC in the opposition,” SNC leader Abdulbaset Sieda told an SNC conference in the Qatari capital Doha.

    “We see that any action that targets the SNC, with or without realizing it, will extend the life of the regime.”
    http://www.todayszaman.com/news-297292-opposition-group-demands-central-role-at-syrian-unity-talks.html


  121. 124 | November 6, 2012 10:30 am

    @ John Difool:
    No need for international observers in the enlightened cantons of America such as Philly, Detroit, Chicago et al, they are all in place like Plano Texas and the Northern burbs of Atlanta where all the Neanderthals dwell


  122. John Difool
    125 | November 6, 2012 10:33 am

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    No need for international observers in the enlightened cantons of America such as Philly, Detroit, Chicago et al, they are all in place like Plano Texas and the Northern burbs of Atlanta where all the Neanderthals dwell

    The money quote in the Examiner article over at Drudge was not only were the GOP poll workers being replaced with Democrats, but Black Panthers too.

    Of course we can always count on Holders DoJ not investigating or prosecuting this clear violation of constitutional & civil rights too.


  123. Guggi
    126 | November 6, 2012 10:34 am

    mawskrat wrote:

    105-year-old witch doctor in President’s ancestral Kenyan village predicts Obama will win

    witch docotr ? Raaaaacist !!!!


  124. 127 | November 6, 2012 10:34 am

    mawskrat wrote:

    Who needs polls? 105-year-old witch doctor in President’s ancestral Kenyan village predicts Obama will win

    That must be where the Outsider gets his information… :roll:


  125. 128 | November 6, 2012 10:36 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    Here we go!


  126. waldensianspirit
    129 | November 6, 2012 10:38 am

    Kirly wrote:

    Already a long, slow line here in AZ.
    Don’t mind the line as much as the disgusting old fart in line behind me chewing his gum halfway out his mouth. And he just belched.

    What we put up with to vote for love of country! :mrgreen:


  127. 130 | November 6, 2012 10:40 am

    @ John Difool:
    Great….so some frail old retiree has to tap a thug on the shoulder and say, “excuse me young man but you are sitting in my seat”

    That’ll work


  128. John Difool
    131 | November 6, 2012 10:41 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:
    Here we go!

    Yes indeed. There are a lot of widowed elderly people & single young folks in these areas who they know will be intimidated by the presence of Black Panthers leering & sneering at them as soon as they walk up to a polling place.

    It’s a feature, not a bug.

    Even the just-about-as-far-left as you can get SPLC has the NBP listed as hate-group. That the Democrats tolerate these thugs speaks volumes.


  129. heysoos
    132 | November 6, 2012 10:45 am

    looks like the shit is gonna hit the fan soon in the NYC area…Bloomberg and FEMA and the RC have all been a huge bust…a lot of people are getting very desperate and more cold is on the way…this disaster is going to double in magnitude due to inept govt…no fuel to escape the area, no heat with dropping temps, little food….this is going go medieval if something doesn’t happen damned fast


  130. 133 | November 6, 2012 10:47 am

    Several updates on the Ohio Early Voting numbers. It looks like early voting is up in McCain counties, down in Obama counties. Could be a trend.

    The Early Voting Numbers were not correct though. They were dummy data that Gannett “accidentally” put up. Oh, well. No votes will b counted until the polls close.


  131. 134 | November 6, 2012 10:49 am

    @ John Difool:

    The Democrats find them useful. They are like the SA, only black. A gang of thugs. If the Republicans had similar unsavory connections it’d be headline news every night until someone changed it.


  132. 135 | November 6, 2012 10:49 am

    @ John Difool:

    Send in the Cavalry:

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/1947689725001/


  133. Guggi
    136 | November 6, 2012 10:50 am

    Berlin is prepared to celebrate O.’s victory ! Champagne all over the city restaurants and hotels.


  134. John Difool
    137 | November 6, 2012 10:52 am

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Send in the Cavalry:
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/1947689725001/

    That’s the same exact polling location they were at in ’08. I noticed this time they don’t have batons or billy-clubs. Just made sure they were some really big guys & not some skinny punks this time.


  135. John Difool
    138 | November 6, 2012 10:53 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Several updates on the Ohio Early Voting numbers. It looks like early voting is up in McCain counties, down in Obama counties. Could be a trend.
    The Early Voting Numbers were not correct though. They were dummy data that Gannett “accidentally” put up. Oh, well. No votes will b counted until the polls close.

    Over at HA they’re reporting some early returns are already showing Romney up 15+ among independents this go around. Obama won indy’s by a huge margin last time.

    Lets keep our fingers crossed.


  136. 139 | November 6, 2012 10:55 am

    heysoos wrote:

    looks like the shit is gonna hit the fan soon in the NYC area…Bloomberg and FEMA and the RC have all been a huge bust…a lot of people are getting very desperate and more cold is on the way…this disaster is going to double in magnitude due to inept govt…no fuel to escape the area, no heat with dropping temps, little food….this is going go medieval if something doesn’t happen damned fast

    There should have been seabees sent to Fort Dix last week to erect housing and convoys moving people out by the end of the polls closing today. Nero Fiddles…..makes you wonder what he is holding back resources for?


  137. Moe Katz
    140 | November 6, 2012 10:55 am

    It is in Allah’s hands now.


  138. 141 | November 6, 2012 10:55 am

    I just got back from voting. I didn’t have to wait (we have a very good system here) but the turnout was heavy. LOTS of old people -- I’m 59, and I think I was the youngest person there.

    My wife got there a little before the polls opened at 6 and there were 30 people already in line with at least that many filling in behind her. I asked one of the workers and she said she can’t remember when it’s been this heavy.

    We’re an uncontested RED state (Kentucky) with nothing particularly of local interest and we’re coming out in droves. I don’t know what this means, but I hope it bodes well


  139. 142 | November 6, 2012 10:57 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    It is in Allah’s hands now.

    We were in Allah’s hands in 2008 and ever since. I’m kinda hoping for a Higher Power this time……..


  140. heysoos
    143 | November 6, 2012 10:58 am

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    looks like the shit is gonna hit the fan soon in the NYC area…Bloomberg and FEMA and the RC have all been a huge bust…a lot of people are getting very desperate and more cold is on the way…this disaster is going to double in magnitude due to inept govt…no fuel to escape the area, no heat with dropping temps, little food….this is going go medieval if something doesn’t happen damned fast
    There should have been seabees sent to Fort Dix last week to erect housing and convoys moving people out by the end of the polls closing today. Nero Fiddles…..makes you wonder what he is holding back resources for?

    Bloomberg is in shock…there is REAL work to be done and he’s riding the pines. exactly how BO leads…reacting to events instead of planning ahead


  141. 144 | November 6, 2012 10:58 am

    @ John Difool:
    They were reporting on veterans groups willing to escort people and officials. I don’t know if they are organized to do so or were just blowing hot air.


  142. 145 | November 6, 2012 10:58 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Heavy turnout in the Red areas of the Country could turn into a significant lead in the popular vote, for what that is worth. I’d be interested in hearing how the voting is going in Wisconsin. I am confident that we are going to win it, but I’d like some hard data to back up my confidence.


  143. Moe Katz
    146 | November 6, 2012 10:59 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    It is in Allah’s hands now.

    We were in Allah’s hands in 2008 and ever since. I’m kinda hoping for a Higher Power this time……..

    :)


  144. John Difool
    147 | November 6, 2012 11:00 am

    Over at AoS they’re saying lots of Co. voters being turned away from the polls after their names have been mysteriously vanished from the voter lists in their polling locations.

    They are supposed to be informed they have the right to fill out a provisional ballot but no one is informing them of that.

    Not gonna come out & start screaming “stolen election’ just yet, but it damn sure seems the Dems are trying their best early. Thats two potential swing states so far this shit is going on in.


  145. Mars
    148 | November 6, 2012 11:01 am

    Scott Madsen wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    There is a well written article out there about the connections between Jarret’s Family, Axelrod’s, and Frank Marshall Davis that is frifgtening in its implications. She is the brain or control of the usurping marxist troika. Look at her eyes, you won’t like what you don’t find there.

    Also connections with Mansour, Obama, and the Saudis plan to get puppets into high office.


  146. Moe Katz
    149 | November 6, 2012 11:03 am

    Mars wrote:

    Also connections with Mansour, Obama, and the Saudis plan to get puppets into high office.

    As opposed to Muppets?


  147. heysoos
    150 | November 6, 2012 11:03 am

    I can’t find anything new about the military/overseas ballots…well fuck those guys eh?


  148. 151 | November 6, 2012 11:04 am

    @ MacDuff:
    The little old lady that babysits for me was all up and down Zeros ass a few weeks ago. She knew everthing fron Stanley Anns porno shoots with FMD to Fast and furious and all that lays in between.
    She spends a lot of time on the net emailing to all of her friends. I hope there is large cohort of old folks just like her that have had nothing to do for the last four years but pay attention and judge current events by their still extant moral fiber and knowledge of the past


  149. John Difool
    152 | November 6, 2012 11:05 am

    heysoos wrote:

    I can’t find anything new about the military/overseas ballots…well fuck those guys eh?

    Drudge has a story up saying thousands of absentee ballots for the military were shipped late & won’t get there on time.

    Convenient, huh ?


  150. 153 | November 6, 2012 11:05 am

    @ heysoos:

    I heard that thousands hadn[‘t gotten their ballots. The Democrats don’t want the Military to vote. Remember when GOre’s lawyers got the military vote tossed in Florida? That is the Democrats in Action.


  151. 154 | November 6, 2012 11:05 am

    @ Mars:

    Yep, what a web they wove


  152. 155 | November 6, 2012 11:06 am

    Funny story for your perusal; I was at the health club yesterday and in the men’s locker room, there’s an area with chairs and a big TV set on a news channel or one of the business channels. While I was getting dressed, there were two old guys having a very loud and vocal political argument -- one for Romney, one for Obama. Everyone could hear it, and when each made a point, those in the locker room who agreed shouted “yeah!”. It was just so cool.

    BTW, Romney clearly won the voice vote.


  153. heysoos
    156 | November 6, 2012 11:07 am

    John Difool wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    I can’t find anything new about the military/overseas ballots…well fuck those guys eh?

    Drudge has a story up saying thousands of absentee ballots for the military were shipped late & won’t get there on time.
    Convenient, huh ?

    it’s such a simple job and now it’s a fucked up mess twice in a row…I hate the feds


  154. Guggi
    157 | November 6, 2012 11:07 am

    I’ve never seen such an hysterical media hype like this time with US-elections in Germany. Day in day out on tv nothing else as O. worship and how ugly, evil, greedy, stupid and what a religious fanatic Romney is. Even the more conservative channels like ZDF sind that song.


  155. 158 | November 6, 2012 11:08 am

    Guggi wrote:

    I’ve never seen such an hysterical media hype like this time with US-elections in Germany. Day in day out on tv nothing else as O. worship and how ugly, evil, greedy, stupid and what a religious fanatic Romney is. Even the more conservative channels like ZDF sind that song.

    Obama is a global cultural phenomenon.


  156. 159 | November 6, 2012 11:09 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    @ Scott Madsen:
    @ Guggi:
    @ MacDuff:

    Funny business in Philly!


  157. heysoos
    160 | November 6, 2012 11:10 am

    Guggi wrote:

    I’ve never seen such an hysterical media hype like this time with US-elections in Germany. Day in day out on tv nothing else as O. worship and how ugly, evil, greedy, stupid and what a religious fanatic Romney is. Even the more conservative channels like ZDF sind that song.

    it’s the greatest dog and pony show in the world!


  158. 161 | November 6, 2012 11:10 am

    Guggi wrote:

    what a religious fanatic Romney is

    All while Germany is importing real head-chopping, honor-killing Jihadi religious fanatics by the boatload. You’ve got to love European priorities. It is a damn fine thing that y’all don’t have a vote in this fight. I am hoping that we resoundingly dissappoint your media and so-called “intelligencia”.


  159. 162 | November 6, 2012 11:10 am

    Guggi wrote:

    I’ve never seen such an hysterical media hype like this time with US-elections in Germany. Day in day out on tv nothing else as O. worship and how ugly, evil, greedy, stupid and what a religious fanatic Romney is. Even the more conservative channels like ZDF sind that song.

    No offense to you, Guggi, but it seems that Germans, in particular, would nave learned the perils of cults of personality.


  160. lobo91
    163 | November 6, 2012 11:11 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I am hoping that we resoundingly dissappoint your media and so-called “intelligencia”.

    And our own.


  161. 164 | November 6, 2012 11:11 am

    @ Rodan:

    The Republican poll watchers are back, but you can see where this is going. The Democrats have been telegraphing for some time that voter fraud was going to eb a major part of their campaign. If we win this, I want to see voter ID in every state.


  162. 165 | November 6, 2012 11:12 am

    Guggi wrote:

    I’ve never seen such an hysterical media hype like this time with US-elections in Germany. Day in day out on tv nothing else as O. worship and how ugly, evil, greedy, stupid and what a religious fanatic Romney is. Even the more conservative channels like ZDF sind that song.

    Well then, At the closing of the polls this evening, I hope they will all sing along:


  163. John Difool
    166 | November 6, 2012 11:13 am

    Guggi wrote:

    I’ve never seen such an hysterical media hype like this time with US-elections in Germany. Day in day out on tv nothing else as O. worship and how ugly, evil, greedy, stupid and what a religious fanatic Romney is. Even the more conservative channels like ZDF sind that song.

    Present company excluded but I hope most of the German citizenry are sitting around tomorrow weeping into their beer steins


  164. Guggi
    167 | November 6, 2012 11:14 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Obama is a global cultural phenomenon.

    He’s a cult leader not a responsible politician.


  165. coldwarrior
    168 | November 6, 2012 11:14 am

    BAD NEWS

    nothreat passed away this morning.


  166. lobo91
    169 | November 6, 2012 11:14 am

    @ Rodan:

    What happened to the “Recent Comments” thing on the sidebar?


  167. 170 | November 6, 2012 11:15 am

    The Dead Always Vote Democrat.


  168. John Difool
    171 | November 6, 2012 11:15 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    The Republican poll watchers are back, but you can see where this is going. The Democrats have been telegraphing for some time that voter fraud was going to eb a major part of their campaign. If we win this, I want to see voter ID in every state.

    Hopefully with police escort this time or nothing will stop the Demofascists from throwing them out again.


  169. lobo91
    172 | November 6, 2012 11:15 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    BAD NEWS

    nothreat passed away this morning.

    Damn

    Condolences and prayers


  170. 173 | November 6, 2012 11:16 am

    How come lost ballots, when found, are ALWAYS predominately Democrat?


  171. John Difool
    174 | November 6, 2012 11:18 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    BAD NEWS

    nothreat passed away this morning.

    Oh jeez that’s awful news. May God give her eternal comfort & peace now. She will be missed.


  172. 175 | November 6, 2012 11:18 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    That Mormon threat, Germans so fear!
    ///////////


  173. lobo91
    176 | November 6, 2012 11:18 am

    father_of_10 wrote:

    How come lost ballots, when found, are ALWAYS predominately Democrat?

    Because they’re manufactured by Democrats who add in enough fake Republican ballots to make it look convincing?


  174. Guggi
    177 | November 6, 2012 11:19 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    It is a damn fine thing that y’all don’t have a vote in this fight.

    There are a lot voices all over Europe that Europeans should have the right to vote in US-presidential election. I’m not kidding you.


  175. 178 | November 6, 2012 11:19 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    BAD NEWS
    nothreat passed away this morning.

    I am sad at hearing this.


  176. 179 | November 6, 2012 11:20 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Oh, damn. I am so sorry to hear that. She will be missed.


  177. waldensianspirit
    180 | November 6, 2012 11:20 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Very very sad. She kept up a good fight and cheered others up as well


  178. 181 | November 6, 2012 11:20 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    Damn, I haven’t been around for a long while. I remember her being ill and didn’t realize it had progressed. Prayers for her family today and Sunday.


  179. 182 | November 6, 2012 11:21 am

    @ Guggi:

    We’d fight a war over that, and you would lose.


  180. John Difool
    183 | November 6, 2012 11:21 am

    Guggi wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    It is a damn fine thing that y’all don’t have a vote in this fight.

    There are a lot voices all over Europe that Europeans should have the right to vote in US-presidential election. I’m not kidding you.

    Would Europeans vote for a black man here if they actually could vote, because we know they’d never vote for a black man there.


  181. 184 | November 6, 2012 11:22 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    Damn, my condolences to her family.


  182. lobo91
    185 | November 6, 2012 11:22 am

    @ John Difool:

    Would Europeans vote for a black man here if they actually could vote, because we know they’d never vote for a black man there.

    As long as he was the candidate who they thought would do the most to neuter America, sure.


  183. 186 | November 6, 2012 11:23 am

    A reminder:

    If you see or hear anything at your polling place that doesn’t seem right, record it if possible.

    Call True The Vote at 855-444-6100 to report election fraud or voter intimidation.


  184. Guggi
    187 | November 6, 2012 11:23 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    No offense to you, Guggi, but it seems that Germans, in particular, would nave learned the perils of cults of personality.

    no problem I’m not German. :-P


  185. huckfunn
    188 | November 6, 2012 11:24 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    BAD NEWS

    nothreat passed away this morning.

    Truly sorry to hear that. She was a real live wire and I got a kick out of her. Rest in peace, Tina. We’ll miss you. :sad:


  186. 189 | November 6, 2012 11:25 am

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah, the Europeans resent us for stopping them from participating in their favorite pasttime: killing other Europeans. I say have at it, and not a drop of American blood to pull them out of the fire the next time they step into it.


  187. 190 | November 6, 2012 11:25 am

    @ lobo91:

    We turned off side comments so the blog doesn’t crash tonight when we comment on the election.


  188. Guggi
    191 | November 6, 2012 11:25 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    BAD NEWS
    nothreat passed away this morning.

    OmG it was that bad ? Condolences to her family and you.


  189. 192 | November 6, 2012 11:26 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Hopefully the Euros kill the Muzzies. I can support that!


  190. 193 | November 6, 2012 11:26 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    BAD NEWS

    nothreat passed away this morning.

    Oh damn….she was a sweetheart, one of my favorites. She’s had a rough go of it, but I was so hoping she’d pull through. RIP, prayers and condolences to her family.


  191. John Difool
    194 | November 6, 2012 11:26 am

    Guggi wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    No offense to you, Guggi, but it seems that Germans, in particular, would nave learned the perils of cults of personality.

    no problem I’m not German.

    You speak Austrian, right? : )


  192. lobo91
    195 | November 6, 2012 11:27 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I say have at it, and not a drop of American blood to pull them out of the fire the next time they step into it.

    I agree.


  193. Guggi
    196 | November 6, 2012 11:27 am

    @ Guggi:

    I’ll miss her badly.


  194. lobo91
    197 | November 6, 2012 11:28 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    turned off side comments so the blog doesn’t crash tonight when we comment on the election.

    Makes sense.

    I thought it was a glitch.


  195. lobo91
    198 | November 6, 2012 11:28 am

    Guggi wrote:

    @ Guggi:

    I’ll miss her badly.

    Me too.


  196. Guggi
    199 | November 6, 2012 11:28 am

    John Difool wrote:

    You speak Austrian, right? : )

    right :-P


  197. Buckeye Abroad
    200 | November 6, 2012 11:29 am

    @ John Difool:

    There are 577 French parliament seats. Approximately 8% of the population is black. Want to guess how many seats a black representative has? heh


  198. lobo91
    201 | November 6, 2012 11:29 am

    Guggi wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    You speak Austrian, right? : )

    right

    G’day, mate!

    Oh, wait…
    ///


  199. coldwarrior
    202 | November 6, 2012 11:30 am

    undiagnosed hemochromatosis (too much iron in the blood) caused cirrhosis of the liver caused liver failure caused death.

    so next time you see the box for being a organ donor, make sure you check it. she died while on the transplant list.


  200. lobo91
    203 | November 6, 2012 11:31 am

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ John Difool:

    There are 577 French parliament seats. Approximately 8% of the population is black. Want to guess how many seats a black representative has? heh

    None?


  201. 204 | November 6, 2012 11:31 am

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Damn, my condolences to her family.

    Me too.


  202. huckfunn
    205 | November 6, 2012 11:33 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    She was mid 40′s? I think she was posting as recently as this weekend.


  203. John Difool
    206 | November 6, 2012 11:33 am

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    There are 577 French parliament seats. Approximately 8% of the population is black. Want to guess how many seats a black representative has? heh

    None. Not one European country has ever elected a minority to high office.

    Well except Hitler if you count him, he was half jew but not sure if you can call that elected exactly.


  204. John Difool
    207 | November 6, 2012 11:34 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Yeah, the Europeans resent us for stopping them from participating in their favorite pasttime: killing other Europeans. I say have at it, and not a drop of American blood to pull them out of the fire the next time they step into it.

    We tried our hand at that past-time too, Americans killing other Americans & decided we didn’t like it too much.


  205. Alberta Oil Peon
    208 | November 6, 2012 11:34 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    So true. Russia is looking after Russia’s interests. The job at hand is to convince Russia that their interests and America’s interests have more in common than they have at odds.

    A rival does not necessarily have to be an enemy.


  206. 209 | November 6, 2012 11:36 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    undiagnosed hemochromatosis (too much iron in the blood) caused cirrhosis of the liver caused liver failure caused death.

    Oh damn. My mom was recently diagnosed with that. Luckily it was caught in time.


  207. Guggi
    210 | November 6, 2012 11:37 am

    John Difool wrote:

    Well except Hitler if you count him, he was half jew but not sure if you can call that elected exactly.

    nonsense, Hitler was NOT half-Jew.


  208. John Difool
    211 | November 6, 2012 11:38 am

    Unreal. If this isn’t illegal campaigning in a polling place i don’t know what is.


  209. lobo91
    212 | November 6, 2012 11:38 am

    @ John Difool:

    Part of that is due to the way they hold their legislative elections.

    They don’t have single-member legislative districts like we do. You vote for a party, not a candidate. They divide up the seats proportionally based on the percentage of the vote each party gets, and assign seats to people off the party’s “list.”


  210. citizen_q
    213 | November 6, 2012 11:38 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    I’ve never seen such an hysterical media hype like this time with US-elections in Germany. Day in day out on tv nothing else as O. worship and how ugly, evil, greedy, stupid and what a religious fanatic Romney is. Even the more conservative channels like ZDF sind that song.

    Obama is a global cultural phenomenon.

    Bad actors the world over want to see a weakened US.


  211. heysoos
    214 | November 6, 2012 11:39 am

    John Difool wrote:

    Unreal. If this isn’t illegal campaigning in a polling place i don’t know what is.

    painted especially for the election….bet me


  212. John Difool
    215 | November 6, 2012 11:40 am

    Guggi wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Well except Hitler if you count him, he was half jew but not sure if you can call that elected exactly.
    nonsense, Hitler was NOT half-Jew.

    It was my understanding he had Jewish blood in him from a close relative.


  213. lobo91
    216 | November 6, 2012 11:40 am

    John Difool wrote:

    Unreal. If this isn’t illegal campaigning in a polling place i don’t know what is.

    It’s only illegal if Republicans do it, silly.

    Yesterday, some genius tried to keep a voter out of a polling place in Denver because she was wearing an MIT sweatshirt.


  214. John Difool
    217 | November 6, 2012 11:41 am

    heysoos wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Unreal. If this isn’t illegal campaigning in a polling place i don’t know what is.

    painted especially for the election….bet me

    Judging from the decorum it looks like a school to me….which would be par for the course for Philly.


  215. lobo91
    218 | November 6, 2012 11:41 am

    heysoos wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    Unreal. If this isn’t illegal campaigning in a polling place i don’t know what is.

    painted especially for the election….bet me

    Probably paid for with stimulus money, too.


  216. Purre
    219 | November 6, 2012 11:42 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    May she rest in peace.


  217. pat
    220 | November 6, 2012 11:42 am

    As a member of the Gallup family (there are 44,000 of us) and a sometimes member of the Gallup Panel (about 1,500), let me add a bit. Someone said that pollsters do not select party. This is true if the pollsters are polling for party membership. Of course it is also true if the party is irrelevant (many polls are not about politics , per se). But if the polls are trying to determine who will win an election they do poll for party. However Gallup does not alter the number of respondents to compensate for party membership, so if more Democrats respond it is simply reported. Gallup then separately reports on party enthusiasm. When Gallup polls one of us, it already knows a great deal about each of its members. We are expected to provide honest answers and are polled about everything from foreign affairs to toothpaste.
    Secondly, it is generally recognized that in cold calls, Liberals seem far more interested in taking polls. No one knows why in spite of various theories. Age and employment may be the determining factor.Conservatives tend to be between 40-60 and actively employed. And the huge fly in the ointment is that one third of households now only have cell phones. And these are disproportionately liberal. Hugely so. And they are not reached by pollsters. In other words, the country may be much farther left than anyone realizes. And far more immature. Obama type immature. But this mass has as yet not shown up at the polls. But they may soon. They pay rent (that is what is meant by ‘household’) and pay bills already.


  218. Guggi
    221 | November 6, 2012 11:42 am

    But in Germany Cem Özdemir (Turkish born) is leader of the Green Party and in Austria there are also Arabs and Turks in the SPÖ (Social Democrats) in leading positions.


  219. John Difool
    222 | November 6, 2012 11:43 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    Unreal. If this isn’t illegal campaigning in a polling place i don’t know what is.

    It’s only illegal if Republicans do it, silly.
    Yesterday, some genius tried to keep a voter out of a polling place in Denver because she was wearing an MIT sweatshirt.

    i had a Romney/Ryan sticker & a George Allen sticker prominently displayed on my sweatshirt when I voted at my polling location & not a single word was said or a single eye was batted.

    And I live in a minority heavy district.


  220. Alberta Oil Peon
    223 | November 6, 2012 11:44 am

    @ Storagemanager:
    All muslims hate non-muslims, and all muslims not of their own sect. But they will forge temporary alliances with infidels if they deem it to be to their advantage. Iran plays footsie with the Russians because they think it gains them advantage over Israel, America, and the Sunnis. Russia plays footsie with Iran, because they think it gives them influence in the region.

    It is the Great Game. Read up on it.


  221. Guggi
    224 | November 6, 2012 11:45 am

    John Difool wrote:

    It was my understanding he had Jewish blood in him from a close relative.

    No that’s a rumor sprayed out by opponents in the own NSDAP. Not a shred of thruth in it.


  222. Moe Katz
    225 | November 6, 2012 11:46 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    BAD NEWS
    nothreat passed away this morning.

    Sorry to hear that, a nice person.


  223. Purre
    226 | November 6, 2012 11:46 am

    @ John Difool:
    Not true. In Finland we have had minorities in parliament and government. Also one of the minorities is overrepresented in government (Finland’s Swedish), since they have been in every government for decades (not sure if entire Finnish history).


  224. John Difool
    227 | November 6, 2012 11:47 am

    Guggi wrote:

    But in Germany Cem Özdemir (Turkish born) is leader of the Green Party and in Austria there are also Arabs and Turks in the SPÖ (Social Democrats) in leading positions.

    I think what we’re talking about here isn’t the run of the mill parliamentary type positions but actual positions of power in high government like a president or prime minister.

    Can’t see that happening in Europe anytime soon even though they are oh so more enlightened & tolerant than us assbackwards Americans.


  225. Dolphin
    228 | November 6, 2012 11:47 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    My heart is heavy with this news. Tina, you will be missed me. You were a good friend.


  226. John Difool
    229 | November 6, 2012 11:48 am

    Guggi wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    It was my understanding he had Jewish blood in him from a close relative.
    No that’s a rumor sprayed out by opponents in the own NSDAP. Not a shred of thruth in it.

    Well I stand corrected. Just an urban legend then.


  227. Moe Katz
    230 | November 6, 2012 11:48 am

    Guggi wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    It was my understanding he had Jewish blood in him from a close relative.
    No that’s a rumor sprayed out by opponents in the own NSDAP. Not a shred of thruth in it.

    However, he had some genetic haplotypes common to the Middle East and Arab North Africa. He was no pure Aryan.


  228. John Difool
    231 | November 6, 2012 11:49 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    John Difool wrote:
    It was my understanding he had Jewish blood in him from a close relative.
    No that’s a rumor sprayed out by opponents in the own NSDAP. Not a shred of thruth in it.

    However, he had some genetic haplotypes common to the Middle East and Arab North Africa. He was no pure Aryan.

    Dark hair, dark eyes, he didn’t have the traits of your average German or Northern European thats for sure.


  229. huckfunn
    232 | November 6, 2012 11:49 am

    John Difool wrote:

    Unreal. If this isn’t illegal campaigning in a polling place i don’t know what is.

    Here’s the polling place the next precinct over.


  230. huckfunn
    233 | November 6, 2012 11:51 am

    @ huckfunn:
    Can anyone see that picture? It was there a minute ago.


  231. John Difool
    234 | November 6, 2012 11:52 am

    @ huckfunn</b

    I can still see it.


  232. Purre
    235 | November 6, 2012 11:52 am

    @ huckfunn:
    I see it just fine.


  233. RIX
    236 | November 6, 2012 11:52 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    Horrible news.
    May she find peace & comfort with the Lord.
    Her pain & suffering is over, but sadly so
    is her life.


  234. Alberta Oil Peon
    237 | November 6, 2012 11:53 am

    Sorry to hear about NoThreat2U. That’s a damned shame. RIP.


  235. lobo91
    238 | November 6, 2012 11:53 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Can anyone see that picture? It was there a minute ago.

    Yes


  236. citizen_q
    239 | November 6, 2012 11:53 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    I have a heavy heart hearing that.


  237. lobo91
    240 | November 6, 2012 11:54 am

    @ John Difool:

    Dark hair, dark eyes, he didn’t have the traits of your average German or Northern European thats for sure.

    I always thought that was interesting.

    Did they not have mirrors in Nazi Germany?
    //


  238. Runner
    241 | November 6, 2012 11:54 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    BAD NEWS
    nothreat passed away this morning.

    So sorry to hear this.


  239. 242 | November 6, 2012 11:55 am

    @ John Difool:

    DNA proved Hitler had Jewish blood. Most Central and East Europeans have Jewish in them somewhere.


  240. huckfunn
    243 | November 6, 2012 11:55 am

    @ John Difool:
    @ Purre:
    @ lobo91:
    Every other time I refresh the page, it’s not there. Weird.


  241. Calo
    244 | November 6, 2012 11:56 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    I’m stunned and saddebed.


  242. Calo
    245 | November 6, 2012 11:56 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    I’m stunned.


  243. 246 | November 6, 2012 11:57 am

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    John Difool wrote:
    It was my understanding he had Jewish blood in him from a close relative.
    No that’s a rumor sprayed out by opponents in the own NSDAP. Not a shred of thruth in it.

    However, he had some genetic haplotypes common to the Middle East and Arab North Africa. He was no pure Aryan.

    That’s true. Those haplotypes are VERY common in Central Europe, by the way.

    People migrated and traveled a great deal in Roman times.


  244. Guggi
    247 | November 6, 2012 11:57 am

    John Difool wrote:

    Dark hair, dark eyes, he didn’t have the traits of your average German or Northern European thats for sure.

    blue eyes, Hitler’s famous blue eyes !!!! “The “Führer” looked at me with his wonderful blue eyes” this made people crazy. His charismatic blue eyes.


  245. 248 | November 6, 2012 11:57 am

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    @ Purre:
    @ lobo91:
    Every other time I refresh the page, it’s not there. Weird.

    M turned it off so we don’t get hosed tonight.


  246. CynicalConservative
    249 | November 6, 2012 11:59 am

    @ Rodan:
    I’d recommend temporarily killing video embeds for tonight too.

    /lurk


  247. CynicalConservative
    250 | November 6, 2012 11:59 am

    @ coldwarrior:
    Very sad to hear that.


  248. lobo91
    251 | November 6, 2012 11:59 am

    CynicalConservative wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I’d recommend temporarily killing video embeds for tonight too.

    /lurk

    Not a bad idea


  249. 252 | November 6, 2012 12:00 pm

    @ Guggi:

    See my #243. Hitler had some North African and Jewish blood. It doesn’t make him Jewish, but he did have some ancestry. You know Central and Eastern Europeans have intermarriage with Jews for centuries. SO Hitler having Jewish in him is not a big deal. I bet most people in that part of the world is given a DNA test will show some Jewish DNA. That does not mean Hitler ever considered himself Jewish.


  250. Moe Katz
    253 | November 6, 2012 12:00 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Hitler’s famous blue eyes !!!! “The “Führer” looked at me with his wonderful blue eyes” this made people crazy. His charismatic blue eyes.

    It’s only fair, we had Sinatra.


  251. John Difool
    254 | November 6, 2012 12:00 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Dark hair, dark eyes, he didn’t have the traits of your average German or Northern European thats for sure.
    blue eyes, Hitler’s famous blue eyes !!!! “The “Führer” looked at me with his wonderful blue eyes” this made people crazy. His charismatic blue eyes.

    Lol, I guess in a b/w photo, blue is black. However, Bashir Assad has blue eyes too, jus’ sayin’.


  252. huckfunn
    255 | November 6, 2012 12:00 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I was talking about the picture in #223. But I’m glad the sidebar comments are off. During the debates it only took about 1/2 hour before the channel was stuffed.


  253. 256 | November 6, 2012 12:01 pm

    @ John Difool:

    See my 243, it’s not an urban legend.


  254. Canoe Convoy
    257 | November 6, 2012 12:02 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Initial anecdotal reports indicate that several voting places around Dane County ( that’s Madison & surrounding communities) are that there are lines — except for the precincts in the University neighborhood (very little participation — I think several students are still sleeping off the weekend bender, in which case, I don’t want them at a poll). In my case, I had a line curling around the Fellowship Hall @ the Lutheran Church, all the way to the exit.


  255. 258 | November 6, 2012 12:02 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    M is trying to optimize.


  256. Guggi
    259 | November 6, 2012 12:02 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Dark hair, dark eyes,

    …and his hair was dark blonde not dark.


  257. lobo91
    260 | November 6, 2012 12:02 pm

    Group home accused of taking patients to vote for Obama, as agency disputes claim

    The father of a mentally handicapped woman claims his daughter and others were “carted off” to a North Carolina polling site last week and “coaxed” into voting for President Obama by workers of the group home where she stays — a claim the owner of the home disputes and that apparently has not yet triggered an investigation by election officials.

    The father, Cecil Pearson, said his daughter – who is 40 but has the “mentality … of a 7-year-old” – was “brainwashed the night before” and then taken to a Roanoke Rapids polling site on Friday to vote. He said his daughter told him what happened when he picked her up on Sunday.

    “They brought her a piece of paper and they indicated which block to check,” Pearson told FoxNews.com. “She voted for Barack Obama and was coaxed into doing that.” He claimed “more than four” people were brought to the site

    Sounds like a typical Obama voter, actually…
    //


  258. Moe Katz
    261 | November 6, 2012 12:02 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    The Ottoman Turks must have contributed too, especially as many of them came from places other than Anatolia itself….


  259. Canoe Convoy
    262 | November 6, 2012 12:03 pm

    @ coldwarrior: that is sad news. She will be missed.


  260. 263 | November 6, 2012 12:03 pm

    @ John Difool:

    my Grandma of Lebanese roots had hazel eyes. People from the Mediterranean, Southern, Central and Eastern Europe are mixed.


  261. John Difool
    264 | November 6, 2012 12:05 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    my Grandma of Lebanese roots had hazel eyes. People from the Mediterranean, Southern, Central and Eastern Europe are mixed.

    My wife is of Syrian ancestry & she has dark hair & blue eyes.


  262. 265 | November 6, 2012 12:05 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    Many East and Central Europeans intermarried with Jews through the centuries. Shake the family tree in that part of Europe and a Jew will pop out.


  263. lobo91
    266 | November 6, 2012 12:07 pm

    Allegation of unions putting illegal immigrants on voter rolls clouds Nevada voting

    Just hours before voters go to the polls in the battleground state of Nevada, a national group has announced it plans to file a complaint regarding illegal immigrants purportedly being allowed to vote.

    ALIPAC, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC, based in Raleigh, N.C., sent the Nevada secretary of state an email outlining its intention.

    “We want to stop the felonious thefts of American elections,” says William Gheen, ALIPAC’s president.

    Gheen points to a commentary published in Sunday’s Las Vegas Review Journal. In it, editorial writer Glenn Cook accuses the Culinary Union 226 of knowingly registering illegal immigrants and then pressured them to vote.

    Cook quotes an unidentified illegal immigrant who is on the Clark County voter rolls. The person claims a union representative told them they were “in so much trouble” for refusing to vote.

    Catherine Lu, a spokesperson for Nevada Secretary of State Ross Miller, said she could not comment on Cook’s editorial or ALIPAC’s official complaint.


  264. 267 | November 6, 2012 12:07 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Just because someone has some blood of an ethnic group in them, that doesn’t mean they identify with that group.


  265. Alberta Oil Peon
    268 | November 6, 2012 12:08 pm

    Regarding the polls, the thing to remember is that GOP support and enthusiasm is way up over what it was in 2008, and Dem support is way down. Many that voted for Obama in ’08 simply won’t bother to show up at the polls, like they haven’t bothered showing up at his campaign events. They know they are worse off, four years later.

    Know that the MSM will do its damndest to suppress the GOP vote by issuing false reports of a Dem blowout. They are Tokyo Rose for the 21st Century. Ignore them.

    Speaking as Canadian, I watch from the sidelines, but I know I would rather have a strong America on my border than a weak one.

    So listen, all of yinz. Get out there and vote for Romney, and vote for all the down-ticket GOP, too, so that NT2U’s children can have a strong and prosperous America in which to grow up. Do it for her. And don’t forget to drag out as many other people as you can to do the same!


  266. Moe Katz
    269 | November 6, 2012 12:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    Many East and Central Europeans intermarried with Jews through the centuries. Shake the family tree in that part of Europe and a Jew will pop out.

    True. But there’s not definite identification of Hitler as having Jewish ancestry, that’s just an inference. He carries a haplotype that is the most common in Jews, so it’s a reasonable bet ….


  267. lobo91
    270 | November 6, 2012 12:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:

    Just because someone has some blood of an ethnic group in them, that doesn’t mean they identify with that group.

    I don’t think the SS made such distinctions…


  268. Canoe Convoy
    271 | November 6, 2012 12:09 pm

    Too Early ? Kate Smith. You know the song.


  269. taxfreekiller
    272 | November 6, 2012 12:11 pm

    nothreat

    kind
    nice
    good
    All Great Sprits know and accept those over there on the other side.
    rip


  270. 273 | November 6, 2012 12:11 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    Right and agree with what you said.


  271. Moe Katz
    274 | November 6, 2012 12:11 pm

    @ Rodan:
    I, personally, trace my ancestry to a small bipedal ape in East Africa.


  272. John Difool
    275 | November 6, 2012 12:12 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Just because someone has some blood of an ethnic group in them, that doesn’t mean they identify with that group.

    True, her family were Assyrian Christians who left Syria for Armenia to escape muslim persecution but then later were forced out during the genocide by the Turks. My point was that in the ME brown eyes or black eyes are predominant & those are also dominant traits. It’s the exception, not always the rule.


  273. Moe Katz
    276 | November 6, 2012 12:14 pm

    Anyone for an evolution thread?
    //


  274. lobo91
    277 | November 6, 2012 12:16 pm

    Fisker Karmas catch fire after being submerged by Hurricane Sandy flood

    A total of 16 Fisker Karma extended-range electric cars, each costing more than a $100k, have gone up in flames after reportedly being partially submerged by flash floods caused by Hurricane Sandy. The brand new cars were parked in Port Newark, New Jersey, and are believed to have caught fire last night.

    Images of the wrecked Karmas, posted by Jalopnik, show the damage to each of the cars to be quite extensive.

    The reason for the fire remains unknown, though the floods, which contained salty seawater, may have caused a short that led to the fire.


  275. 278 | November 6, 2012 12:16 pm

    @ Moe Katz:

    I trace mine to refuges from another planet who crashed landed on Earth 10,000 years ago!


  276. bluliner10
    279 | November 6, 2012 12:17 pm

    RIP to nothreat2u, she was an interesting and entertaining poster. Wish I could say I knew her in the brick and mortar world, but that goes for a lot of folks. She will be missed.


  277. 280 | November 6, 2012 12:18 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Anyone for an evolution thread?
    //

    I can do a Evolution vs. Creationist vs. Ancient Aliens thread!


  278. Moe Katz
    281 | November 6, 2012 12:18 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Lobo, how’s Leia doing, how’s her appetite?


  279. John Difool
    282 | November 6, 2012 12:23 pm

    The blog has gotten sloooooooooooooooow for me.

    Getting a 500 internal server error most of the time I refresh now.


  280. lobo91
    283 | November 6, 2012 12:35 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Lobo, how’s Leia doing, how’s her appetite?

    Still won’t eat anything but scrambled eggs.


  281. Moe Katz
    284 | November 6, 2012 12:45 pm

    @ Rodan:
    LOL! Go for it!


  282. Moe Katz
    285 | November 6, 2012 12:46 pm

    @ lobo91:
    At least she’s eating that. I guess you’ll be taking her back to the vet before long….


  283. 286 | November 6, 2012 12:47 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I, personally, trace my ancestry to a small bipedal ape in East Africa.

    That’s interesting. I personally trace mine back to God.


  284. Moe Katz
    287 | November 6, 2012 12:49 pm

    e long….@ father_of_10:
    Would that be on your mother’s side of the family or on your dad’s?


  285. lobo91
    288 | November 6, 2012 12:58 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    At least she’s eating that. I guess you’ll be taking her back to the vet before long….

    Most likely.

    New thread, BTW


  286. Moe Katz
    289 | November 6, 2012 12:59 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Thanks.


  287. Speranza
    290 | November 6, 2012 1:30 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    threat

    May God receive her into His glory.


  288. Lily
    291 | November 6, 2012 1:35 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    BAD NEWS

    nothreat passed away this morning.

    I am so sorry to hear this…may God Shine His everlasting Light on her and may her family be comforted by Him. This is so so sad!


  289. Lily
    292 | November 6, 2012 1:38 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    @ Guggi:

    I’ll miss her badly.

    So will I…I’m so sorry I’ll miss Tina so much here. :(


  290. Lily
    293 | November 6, 2012 1:45 pm

    In Memory Of NoThreat2U and she loved this song.


  291. Buckeye Abroad
    294 | November 6, 2012 1:47 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ John Difool:

    There are 577 French parliament seats. Approximately 8% of the population is black. Want to guess how many seats a black representative has? heh

    None?

    Correct


  292. 295 | November 6, 2012 3:01 pm

    Kirly wrote:

    Already a long, slow line here in AZ.
    Don’t mind the line as much as the disgusting old fart in line behind me chewing his gum halfway out his mouth. And he just belched.

    Chewing gum online?!?

    I hope he brought enough for everyone.


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