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Courage for the Long War Ahead

by Kafir ( 205 Comments › )
Filed under Elections 2016, Patriotism, Politics at November 7th, 2012 - 10:35 am

On November 6, the people of the United States rejected President Barack Obama. And re-elected him to a second term in office.

Though Obama failed to win a majority in the popular vote–and may even have lost the popular vote outright–he won enough votes in the Electoral College to claim victory. The same constitutional peculiarity that brought George W. Bush into office in 2000 may have returned Obama to the White House.

The voters also re-affirmed the results of the historic Tea Party election of 2010, returning Republicans to power in the House of Representatives. And yet the voters also retained Democrats in control of the Senate, preserving the results of the anti-war wave election of 2006.

The U.S. Congress is now divided between two parties whose members were elected on platforms of protest, each determined to stop the other from pursuing its policies.

But it need not be an era without hope. The same principles that built this Republic can save it again. Indeed, those timeless principles are the only solution, the only vision.

Our fault, as a nation, was to forget the lessons of our own success. Having triumphed in a global, decades-long struggle against collectivism and totalitarianism, we refused to celebrate that victory, failing for twenty years to teach its lessons to the next generation.

And as Andrew Breitbart often reminded us, the most important battles must be cultural ones, because culture and media inevitably shape the political choices we make together.

That war must begin anew. And it begins now.




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  1. 1 | November 7, 2012 10:40 am

    Rubio 2016.


  2. Tanker
    2 | November 7, 2012 10:44 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Rubio 2016.

    Just hoping we can hang on as a nation until 2016. Not sure the fight hasn’t been taken out of many!


  3. BuddyG
    3 | November 7, 2012 10:51 am

    50.3% of voters apparently want a big gov’t entitlement society.

    Goes to show that America is in decline.


  4. ferb123
    4 | November 7, 2012 10:54 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Rubio 2016.

    Rubio is not moderate enough.
    Chris Christie would be interesting, since republicans can sell him as man of action


  5. waldensianspirit
    5 | November 7, 2012 10:55 am

    @ ferb123:
    26 trillion and counting


  6. waldensianspirit
    6 | November 7, 2012 10:58 am

    No nation has ever continued on with fake currency. None.


  7. ferb123
    7 | November 7, 2012 10:58 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    26 trillion and counting

    26 trillion ???


  8. waldensianspirit
    8 | November 7, 2012 11:00 am

    @ ferb123:
    Yes 16.4 plus what is coming next; another 10 trillion onto the USA debt.

    This is the single issue I care about but your side won’t even converse about it


  9. Brick
    9 | November 7, 2012 11:01 am

    Yesterday tells me we are clearly outnumbered. Willing or unwilling, the productive are simply hosts for the parasites. We can’t currently supply them with enough blood which necessitates the need to borrow from China. And, our numbers are dwindling. Time for a good guy flea dip.


  10. Speranza
    10 | November 7, 2012 11:02 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    Rubio is not moderate enough.
    Chris Christie would be interesting, since republicans can sell him as man of action

    That blowhard who grew up in Livingston and Mendham (two tony cities) New Jersey trying to sound as if he is from Hoboken will never be forgiven for his Obama boot licking.


  11. waldensianspirit
    11 | November 7, 2012 11:02 am

    Brick wrote:

    Yesterday tells me we are clearly outnumbered. Willing or unwilling, the productive are simply hosts for the parasites. We can’t currently supply them with enough blood which necessitates the need to borrow from China. And, our numbers are dwindling. Time for a good guy flea dip.

    Little Shop of Horrors


  12. Brick
    12 | November 7, 2012 11:02 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    Rubio 2016.

    Rubio is not moderate enough.
    Chris Christie would be interesting, since republicans can sell him as man of action

    Deck chairs. Titanic.


  13. Speranza
    13 | November 7, 2012 11:03 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Rubio 2016.

    Too soon to start annointing a candidate.
    One thing for sure -- no more Santorum types.


  14. buzzsawmonkey
    14 | November 7, 2012 11:06 am

    And here is a visual for the morning.


  15. Daffy Duck
    15 | November 7, 2012 11:08 am

    Brick wrote:

    Deck chairs. Titanic.

    Spot on.

    Game over.


  16. 16 | November 7, 2012 11:09 am

    Go to your local Wal-Mart or your local mall, “The People of Wal-Mart” are Obama’s constituency, not because of Wal-Mart, but because a good portion of our population have been so dumbed-down by a worthless education system, then coddled and subsidized by government that they’ve lost all hope of achieving anything. Instead of using the bully pulpit of the Presidency to break the tragic cycle of black children and the dissolution of the black family, he’s glorified the destructive culture in order to get their votes. He capitalizes on the misery of every single “interest group” that comprises his constituency by highlighting grievance instead of actual unity. He doesn’t lift people up, he reenforces their victimhood.

    He’s not graduated from his “community organizer” (rabble rouser) roots, he just has a nicer office and title.


  17. 17 | November 7, 2012 11:12 am

    I heard a caller on Boortz suggest Republicans go along with Obozo for the next two years, to show just how bad things will be under the vision he has.

    I can see that, on one hand, it’d mean that Obama couldn’t blame the right for the inevitable failure of Democratic-Socialist policies. OTOH, it’d make it even harder to trust anyone to be a real fiscal conservative after we’d aided in destroying this nation even further.


  18. Speranza
    18 | November 7, 2012 11:14 am

    mfhorn wrote:

    I heard a caller on Boortz suggest Republicans go along with Obozo for the next two years, to show just how bad things will be under the vision he has.
    I can see that, on one hand, it’d mean that Obama couldn’t blame the right for the inevitable failure of Democratic-Socialist policies. OTOH, it’d make it even harder to trust anyone to be a real fiscal conservative after we’d aided in destroying this nation even further.

    I think we need total separation from the coming disaster.


  19. 19 | November 7, 2012 11:15 am

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    No nation has ever continued on with fake currency. None.

    That’s why Zimbabwe no longer HAS a currency.

    Ironically, they are using US dollars.

    Out of the frying pan…


  20. BatGuano
    20 | November 7, 2012 11:17 am

    America is now a cargo cult.


  21. 21 | November 7, 2012 11:18 am

    Wheeeeeeeeee……. Are we having fun yet……

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  22. heysoos
    22 | November 7, 2012 11:19 am

    the MSM, unions and Wall Street choose the president…votes are just the chits that prove their stranglehold on all of us


  23. ferb123
    23 | November 7, 2012 11:21 am

    mfhorn wrote:

    I heard a caller on Boortz suggest Republicans go along with Obozo for the next two years, to show just how bad things will be under the vision he has.
    I can see that, on one hand, it’d mean that Obama couldn’t blame the right for the inevitable failure of Democratic-Socialist policies. OTOH, it’d make it even harder to trust anyone to be a real fiscal conservative after we’d aided in destroying this nation even further.

    simply boycott Obama does not help the GOP. It makes the GOP even look worse.
    To gain reputation the House of Representatives should cooperate with Obama.


  24. Speranza
    24 | November 7, 2012 11:22 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    To gain reputation the House of Representatives should cooperate with Obama.

    Cooperate where it is good for the nation, not to help in the destruction of America though.


  25. 25 | November 7, 2012 11:22 am

    @ ferb123:

    But why cooperate with the destruction of America? That’d be like drilling holes in the bottom of a boat that’s already leaking.


  26. Daffy Duck
    26 | November 7, 2012 11:22 am

    @ doriangrey:

    I hope to accurately time the false-rebound-before-the-final-plunge to cash-out 401K.

    /gawd, I *hope* there is a false-rebound….


  27. 27 | November 7, 2012 11:25 am

    @ Daffy Duck:

    I’m thinking of converting everything to gold.

    My wife would LOVE that! Rings. Necklaces.


  28. heysoos
    28 | November 7, 2012 11:25 am

    mfhorn wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    But why cooperate with the destruction of America? That’d be like drilling holes in the bottom of a boat that’s already leaking.

    right there is the root of the problem…people are too stupid to understand what is happening or they just don’t care….ferb is their poster boy


  29. Daffy Duck
    29 | November 7, 2012 11:27 am

    @ mfhorn:

    See Brick’s #12…we’re not on a leaky boat anymore; the bulkheads have failed.

    / I can do Titanic analogies all day.


  30. buzzsawmonkey
    30 | November 7, 2012 11:27 am

    mfhorn wrote:

    I heard a caller on Boortz suggest Republicans go along with Obozo for the next two years, to show just how bad things will be under the vision he has.

    I can see that, on one hand, it’d mean that Obama couldn’t blame the right for the inevitable failure of Democratic-Socialist policies. OTOH, it’d make it even harder to trust anyone to be a real fiscal conservative after we’d aided in destroying this nation even further.

    Go along for four years, and that’s an entire four years without standing up for/articulating any conservative principle whatsoever. The public, which already in many cases rejects clear enunciation of a conservative principle as if they are being talked to in Estonian, is not going to be able to comprehend conservatism if it is not placed before them for four years. And the entire country will be on some kind of dole by then.


  31. John Difool
    31 | November 7, 2012 11:29 am

    That war must begin anew. And it begins now.

    WOLVERINES !


  32. 32 | November 7, 2012 11:30 am

    heysoos wrote:

    right there is the root of the problem…people are too stupid to understand what is happening or they just don’t care….ferb is their poster boy

    Ignorance has become our currency, I offer popular TV as hard evidence. We’re increasingly a coarse, uniformed, society that actually revels in our stupidity.


  33. Daffy Duck
    33 | November 7, 2012 11:30 am

    @ mfhorn:

    Good plan. And don’t forget steel, lead, and brass -- “the other precious metals.”

    And toilet paper.

    Lots of toilet paper.


  34. Speranza
    34 | November 7, 2012 11:31 am

    By the way I cannot understand why anyone would listen to anything Dick Morris predicts any more.


  35. 35 | November 7, 2012 11:31 am

    Obama’s victory last night was Pyrrhic, it is going up in flames right this moment… Dow -350 NASDAQ -80


  36. heysoos
    36 | November 7, 2012 11:32 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    right there is the root of the problem…people are too stupid to understand what is happening or they just don’t care….ferb is their poster boy
    Ignorance has become our currency, I offer popular TV as hard evidence. We’re increasingly a coarse, uniformed, society that actually revels in our stupidity.

    MacDuff wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    right there is the root of the problem…people are too stupid to understand what is happening or they just don’t care….ferb is their poster boy
    Ignorance has become our currency, I offer popular TV as hard evidence. We’re increasingly a coarse, uniformed, society that actually revels in our stupidity.

    AmIdol bots…been saying that for years


  37. 37 | November 7, 2012 11:32 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Go to your local Wal-Mart or your local mall, “The People of Wal-Mart” are Obama’s constituency, not because of Wal-Mart, but because a good portion of our population have been so dumbed-down by a worthless education system, then coddled and subsidized by government that they’ve lost all hope of achieving anything. Instead of using the bully pulpit of the Presidency to break the tragic cycle of black children and the dissolution of the black family, he’s glorified the destructive culture in order to get their votes. He capitalizes on the misery of every single “interest group” that comprises his constituency by highlighting grievance instead of actual unity. He doesn’t lift people up, he reenforces their victimhood.
    He’s not graduated from his “community organizer” (rabble rouser) roots, he just has a nicer office and title.

    I’m a retail clerk, though not at WalMart.

    Not that it matters.

    I see that type of customer every day.


  38. 38 | November 7, 2012 11:33 am

    @ Daffy Duck:

    Ok. Titanic analogy: Putting another 300′ gash in the side.


  39. buzzsawmonkey
    39 | November 7, 2012 11:33 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Obama’s victory last night was Pyrrhic,

    No surprise. He already proved himself to be a Pyrrhick of the first magnitude in the first four years.


  40. John Difool
    40 | November 7, 2012 11:36 am

    Noreaster lashing areas hit hard by Sandy.

    Yesterday I would have felt sorry for them but from here on out I’ll be reveling in what ever misery comes their way.

    That goes for my state to.


  41. Daffy Duck
    41 | November 7, 2012 11:37 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Ignorance has become our currency, I offer popular TV as hard evidence. We’re increasingly a coarse, uniformed, society that actually revels in our stupidity.

    Here’s a post from HA that I tend to agree with:

    Our only hope is to help them fail quickly.

    Let us declare the election a Liberal Mandate. Let them eat the rich, tax the middle class, and transfer all the wealth to their favorite cronies. Let them buy the populace with free birth control, food stamps, and cell phones. Let them fool the masses with little logos and touchy-feely sentiments.

    Speaker Boehner, stand aside and let them have at it because, lets face it, there is no way we can contruct our argument in a way they will understand. All we can do is wait and say, “I told you so.”

    I mean, I guess it has to be much worse than 8% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits to get their attention. We just need to let them get us there as quickly as we can.

    sgmstv on November 7, 2012 at 8:39 AM

    Rapid failure will end the misery sooner.


  42. 42 | November 7, 2012 11:38 am

    @ 1389AD:

    I can relate. I do phone sales for a life insurance company (warm call) and the number of people who think you should be able to get $10,000 in coverage with no health questions for less than $20/month at age 60 or 70 is nuts.

    I’ve had people asking for as much as 1.2 million in life insurance with no health questions.


  43. John Difool
    43 | November 7, 2012 11:39 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Obama’s victory last night was Pyrrhic, it is going up in flames right this moment… Dow -350 NASDAQ -80

    1/6 of the economy is doomed within the next two years anyway when Obamacare goes into full effect. 2/6 if you count the American auto industry who are moving overseas as fast as they can shutter the doors.

    Looks like they’re getting it out of the way early.


  44. 44 | November 7, 2012 11:40 am

    1389AD wrote:

    I’m a retail clerk, though not at WalMart.

    Not that it matters.

    I see that type of customer every day.

    It’s like a zombie apocalypse, they just don’t get it, even when it’s explained to them. I posted these same paragraphs on Facebook and received a comment:

    “I love WalMart….”

    I rest my case. She didn’t get that it wasn’t about Wal-Mart at all (even though I expressly said that). God help us.


  45. Mars
    45 | November 7, 2012 11:43 am

    Two days. That’s how long we have to mourn. Then we need to get up, dust off, and get ready.

    We have two years to get our asses going and field some candidates that we would be proud to vote for.

    First we need to primary everyone. I don’t care if they are conservative or RINO. Primary them all. If they can’t handle the heat they have no business being our candidate.

    Second make sure the damn house holds the Presidents feet to the fire every f-ing second of every day for the next two years.

    Third. Block everything that has even the slightest hint of pork or left agenda. Let nothing pass that doesn’t meet the smell test.

    Fourth. Tell people why these things are being blocked. Don’t just hope for the best. Get on whatever media will take you even if it’s just Fox. (Fox btw has a huge liberal following, so it isn’t just preaching to the choir.)

    Fifth. Stop with the blame assigning. The problem isn’t within the Romney camp or anything like that. The problem is with the media. They are the enemy. Not opposition, not biased. They are directly working against the interests of the country. Taking the fight directly to them will get airtime with them, and will let you get information out. Kissing up does no good. Create an antagonistic relationship with them, they can’t shut up and will want to fight.

    6. Do not let Benghazi go. Even though impeachment in the Senate will not happen, go through the process in the House. Get it out there so people know exactly what happened.

    7. Do not let fast and furious go. Get the emails, get them out to the people let them see for themselves.

    This is just my two cents. Not that anyone in politics has the balls to do any of it anymore.


  46. 46 | November 7, 2012 11:43 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    God help us.

    I don’t think God has any intention in helping us.


  47. John Difool
    47 | November 7, 2012 11:44 am

    @ Daffy Duck:

    I would agree the best medicine is more misery to shock the masses awake, however keep in mind they’ve had around 20% unemployment, $10 a gallon gas, crushing inflation & burdensome tax rates in Europe for years and those idiots keep putting socialists into power every election.

    I do believe the general voting public here have become as they are abroad, insane- because that is the pure definition of insanity.


  48. 48 | November 7, 2012 11:44 am

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Well, instead of 4 years, just say ‘Ok, to show you that Democratic Socialism isn’t the answer, we’re going to give you two years of what the President wants. We’ll show you, over the next 2 years, that big government handouts aren’t the answer. That they’ll only result in massive deficits, higher unemployment, and loss of real wages. Then, after you’ve had 2 years of that, during the next mid-terms, you can judge based on what’s happening.

    Again, I don’t agree with the idea 100%, but it’s interesting.


  49. Mars
    49 | November 7, 2012 11:44 am

    Daffy Duck wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    Ignorance has become our currency, I offer popular TV as hard evidence. We’re increasingly a coarse, uniformed, society that actually revels in our stupidity.

    Here’s a post from HA that I tend to agree with:
    Our only hope is to help them fail quickly.
    Let us declare the election a Liberal Mandate. Let them eat the rich, tax the middle class, and transfer all the wealth to their favorite cronies. Let them buy the populace with free birth control, food stamps, and cell phones. Let them fool the masses with little logos and touchy-feely sentiments.
    Speaker Boehner, stand aside and let them have at it because, lets face it, there is no way we can contruct our argument in a way they will understand. All we can do is wait and say, “I told you so.”
    I mean, I guess it has to be much worse than 8% unemployment and trillion dollar deficits to get their attention. We just need to let them get us there as quickly as we can.
    sgmstv on November 7, 2012 at 8:39 AM
    Rapid failure will end the misery sooner.

    It gains us nothing other than further blurring the line. It will leave the people in the nation (especially the “independents” more confused than they are now.)

    Then they really will have a case with their “both parties are the same” crap that I have to hear all the fucking time.


  50. 50 | November 7, 2012 11:45 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    God help us.

    I don’t think God has any intention in helping us.

    Yeah, we’ve pretty much torched that bridge……..


  51. Mars
    51 | November 7, 2012 11:47 am

    My state went for Romney. Then guess what they did. They voted for the most radical partisan liberal lineup in the history of my state.

    Right across the fucking board.

    Then they went and voted for all the conservative ballot initiatives except for one.

    People are confused. They are not being told the truth about anything anymore on the media and have no clue which party does what.

    All they know is what the press tells them.


  52. John Difool
    52 | November 7, 2012 11:48 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    MacDuff wrote:
    God help us.
    I don’t think God has any intention in helping us.

    Yeah, we’ve pretty much torched that bridge……..

    Never assume his punishing us isn’t in fact, helping us.


  53. 53 | November 7, 2012 11:50 am

    You wanna know why we’re an obese society? Because we’re eating the bread and watching the circuses.


  54. buzzsawmonkey
    54 | November 7, 2012 11:50 am

    @ mfhorn:

    Two years—that is to say, as a prelude to the Congressional elections—makes some sense.

    And, by the way, I am in a mood to slug anyone who describes themself as an “independent.” “Independent” is the political equivalent of being a Reform Jew who doesn’t have the guts to become a Unitarian.


  55. 55 | November 7, 2012 11:51 am

    John Difool wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    MacDuff wrote:
    God help us.
    I don’t think God has any intention in helping us.
    Yeah, we’ve pretty much torched that bridge……..

    Never assume his punishing us isn’t in fact, helping us.

    God IS not punishing us, he is leaving us to our own devices.


  56. waldensianspirit
    56 | November 7, 2012 11:53 am

    Just every day read the national debt into congressional records.


  57. John Difool
    57 | November 7, 2012 11:53 am

    I’ll bet Israel feels as if they may as well be on the outer fringes of another galaxy right now, they are so alone.

    I feel sorry for us, but I really feel sorry for them.


  58. Tanker
    58 | November 7, 2012 11:54 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    MacDuff wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    MacDuff wrote:
    God help us.
    I don’t think God has any intention in helping us.
    Yeah, we’ve pretty much torched that bridge……..
    Never assume his punishing us isn’t in fact, helping us.

    God IS not punishing us, he is leaving us to our own devices.

    Which is what he should do…He only promised us salvation If we believe in him. Not prosperity here on earth. That he left for us to choose!


  59. 59 | November 7, 2012 11:55 am

    I going to have to take my Romney sticker off of my car -- if I encounter some triumphal ObamaBot with a smart-ass remark, I may find myself in jail for assault. Or worse.


  60. John Difool
    60 | November 7, 2012 11:58 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    I going to have to take my Romney sticker off of my car — if I encounter some triumphal ObamaBot with a smart-ass remark, I may find myself in jail for assault. Or worse.

    I plan on leaving mine on until they dry-rot or fade away. When the misery & malaise index gets past the redline mark within the next few years I want it there as a reminder for those who voted for more of it & for those who didn’t bother to vote at all.


  61. buzzsawmonkey
    61 | November 7, 2012 12:10 pm

    …America our nation has been beaten by strangers who have turned our language inside out who have taken the clean words our fathers spoke and made them slimy and foul…

    we stand defeated America

    —John Dos Passos


  62. Mars
    62 | November 7, 2012 12:15 pm

    And one added thing. If and when we regain control. We have to redesign the Electoral College.

    I’ve reviewed the maps and the county by county breakdown s and the EC does not reflect the will of the people accurately. We can’t just keep assigning all the votes based on who wins the state. That’s just setting all of us Dem and republican alike up for a big mess down the road.

    Plus it puts all the power in the hands of the cities and as O would say “disenfranchises” the rural areas.


  63. Mars
    63 | November 7, 2012 12:16 pm

    (And this isn’t new for me. I also spoke out against the design of the EC after the Bush/Gore debacle. Even though I approved of the way it turned out, we shouldn’t have been in the mess in the first place.)


  64. 64 | November 7, 2012 12:17 pm

    I may not be popular for saying this, but the GOP needs to enter the 21st century. America has changed and the GOP needs to change its approach to winning elections. They need to broaden the base.

    Romney ran the best he could, but the country has changed and his campaign was based on the assumption this is the same country as recently as the 90′s.

    One thing, the GOP needs to adopt the tactics of Saul Alinsky. It’s time to play the Left’s game. The media needs to be treated as an enemy entity. They are part of the DNC. We need to recruit charismatic people who can appeal on TV and for low information voters.

    I can write more but will not since most people will disagree with what I think needs to be done.

    I am dedicating myself now to defeating Chris Cristie in 2013. I will do a post on that.


  65. 65 | November 7, 2012 12:18 pm

    Mars wrote:

    (And this isn’t new for me. I also spoke out against the design of the EC after the Bush/Gore debacle. Even though I approved of the way it turned out, we shouldn’t have been in the mess in the first place.)

    I think the EC should be proportional.


  66. 66 | November 7, 2012 12:19 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I going to have to take my Romney sticker off of my car — if I encounter some triumphal ObamaBot with a smart-ass remark, I may find myself in jail for assault. Or worse.

    Not worth it.


  67. waldensianspirit
    67 | November 7, 2012 12:20 pm

    No my change would be anybody with property and paying taxes votes


  68. Alberta Oil Peon
    68 | November 7, 2012 12:21 pm

    OK, we all know the media is the enemy, so what are you going to do about? Starve the beast, dammit! Cancel your cable TV. Cancel your newspaper, and any magazine subscriptions from publishers allied to the lamestream media. Be sure to tell them why.

    Stop going to movies. That’s just putting money in the hands of the Donks. Maybe if Clint Eastwood produces a movie, or somebody else with good conservative credentials does, go watch it. But don’t watch Disney, or any of the usual Hollywood crap. If you want to watch, download a pirate copy from a torrent site. You know that’s what many of the 47% do anyway, why should you subsidize their thefts by being a paying customer?

    If your Internet provider is allied to the MSM, find another one, or consider banding together with other like-minded people and starting your own.

    I’ve heard talk about the Feds simply confiscating money in 401k’s to pay for their deficits, so if you are lucky enough to have one, it would be smart to keep abreast of this issue, and do what you can to make it possible to cash out in a huge hurry if this should come to pass.


  69. 69 | November 7, 2012 12:22 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    No my change would be anybody with property and paying taxes votes

    That attitude will not win us voters. We need to compete with the Dems for voters. We need to deal with reality and come up with a new strategy.


  70. waldensianspirit
    70 | November 7, 2012 12:25 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:
    No my change would be anybody with property and paying taxes votes

    That attitude will not win us voters. We need to compete with the Dems for voters. We need to deal with reality and come up with a new strategy.

    Well if you change the EC then the Dems will win every time because every Dem in the blues will vote


  71. gizbot7
    71 | November 7, 2012 12:26 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Rubio 2016.

    Rubio is not moderate enough.
    Chris Christie would be interesting, since republicans can sell him as man of action

    Can you just shut the F up for once? I have unfortunately scrolled through your crap for a while now, and gotta tell ya — you are nothing more than an imbecilic ass.


  72. 72 | November 7, 2012 12:27 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    Rubio 2016.

    Rubio is not moderate enough.
    Chris Christie would be interesting, since republicans can sell him as man of action

    Chris Cristie is dead politically. He will lose in 2013.


  73. John Difool
    73 | November 7, 2012 12:29 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I may not be popular for saying this, but the GOP needs to enter the 21st century. America has changed and the GOP needs to change its approach to winning elections. They need to broaden the base.
    Romney ran the best he could, but the country has changed and his campaign was based on the assumption this is the same country as recently as the 90′s.
    One thing, the GOP needs to adopt the tactics of Saul Alinsky. It’s time to play the Left’s game. The media needs to be treated as an enemy entity. They are part of the DNC. We need to recruit charismatic people who can appeal on TV and for low information voters.
    I can write more but will not since most people will disagree with what I think needs to be done.
    I am dedicating myself now to defeating Chris Cristie in 2013. I will do a post on that.

    I’ve been saying for years the right needs to adopt Alinsky tactics & it’s been met with mostly chagrin by the folks who still thing putting on the bow-tie & playing the nice guy will win you the day, it won’t.

    Some on the right get it, like Andrew Brietbart did & James O’Keefe & most of the other Breitbart folks but that mentality needs to trickle up to the GOP establishment.


  74. buzzsawmonkey
    74 | November 7, 2012 12:29 pm

    ferb123 wrote:

    Chris Christie would be interesting, since republicans can sell him as man of action

    The Republicans can sell him by the pound and build a giant war chest for the next bout. There appear to be plenty of Democrats who’d love to munch his ass.


  75. waldensianspirit
  76. Speranza
    76 | November 7, 2012 12:30 pm

    A guy from Powerline writes

    When Obama was elected 4 years ago, I quickly dismissed it as a product of Bush fatigue and naiveté. But now that he has been reelected, despite a stagnant economy and staggering deficits, I am convinced there is something deeper and more troubling at work. The simple stubborn fact is that this is no longer the 1980 electorate, and it never will be again. This time, Carter won a second term. Reagan was defeated.

    Alexis de Tocqueville is credited with saying that a democracy “can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy…. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”.

    Last night proved that we have now crossed de Tocqueville’s point of no return. I would say that I hope our new American majority will come to regret their decision as we slide into Western Europe and, ultimately, Greece, but that’s exactly the problem – they won’t.


  77. buzzsawmonkey
    77 | November 7, 2012 12:32 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Report: Obama May Levy Carbon Tax To Cut U.S. Deficit…

    And the revanchist regime shifts to high gear.


  78. 78 | November 7, 2012 12:32 pm

    Well I’m off to start on Flyovercountry’s advice… Time to start drinking heavily.


  79. Mars
    79 | November 7, 2012 12:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I may not be popular for saying this, but the GOP needs to enter the 21st century. America has changed and the GOP needs to change its approach to winning elections. They need to broaden the base.
    Romney ran the best he could, but the country has changed and his campaign was based on the assumption this is the same country as recently as the 90′s.
    One thing, the GOP needs to adopt the tactics of Saul Alinsky. It’s time to play the Left’s game. The media needs to be treated as an enemy entity. They are part of the DNC. We need to recruit charismatic people who can appeal on TV and for low information voters.
    I can write more but will not since most people will disagree with what I think needs to be done.
    I am dedicating myself now to defeating Chris Cristie in 2013. I will do a post on that.

    You’re not wrong. But, here’s the rub. Read Alinsky. It is impossible to adopt his tactics without domination of the media.

    Plus go on twitter, read the comments to every conservative in Hollywood who came out. Read the death threats the libs have been pouring on Romney.

    We are dealing with a country of children who only want as much free stuff as possible.

    Soros came out today and was gloating like a bloated toad. I would imagine he begins his process of destroying our currency tomorrow at the latest.


  80. John Difool
    80 | November 7, 2012 12:33 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    A guy from Powerline writes
    When Obama was elected 4 years ago, I quickly dismissed it as a product of Bush fatigue and naiveté. But now that he has been reelected, despite a stagnant economy and staggering deficits, I am convinced there is something deeper and more troubling at work. The simple stubborn fact is that this is no longer the 1980 electorate, and it never will be again. This time, Carter won a second term. Reagan was defeated.
    Alexis de Tocqueville is credited with saying that a democracy “can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy…. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”.
    Last night proved that we have now crossed de Tocqueville’s point of no return. I would say that I hope our new American majority will come to regret their decision as we slide into Western Europe and, ultimately, Greece, but that’s exactly the problem – they won’t.

    We are living through the Fall of the Roman Empire: PartII


  81. Mars
    81 | November 7, 2012 12:34 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    No my change would be anybody with property and paying taxes votes

    I have a major problem with that. I can’t afford property and I can’t find work in order to pay taxes. But hey I gave up my health and well being to serve my country so fuck me I guess.


  82. waldensianspirit
    82 | November 7, 2012 12:34 pm

    @ Speranza:
    No. They aren’t looking to be better off in 4 years. They are looking for you to be worse off every year


  83. 83 | November 7, 2012 12:35 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    A guy from Powerline writes
    When Obama was elected 4 years ago, I quickly dismissed it as a product of Bush fatigue and naiveté. But now that he has been reelected, despite a stagnant economy and staggering deficits, I am convinced there is something deeper and more troubling at work. The simple stubborn fact is that this is no longer the 1980 electorate, and it never will be again. This time, Carter won a second term. Reagan was defeated.
    Alexis de Tocqueville is credited with saying that a democracy “can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy…. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”.
    Last night proved that we have now crossed de Tocqueville’s point of no return. I would say that I hope our new American majority will come to regret their decision as we slide into Western Europe and, ultimately, Greece, but that’s exactly the problem – they won’t.

    As a commentor on my blog pointed out, it wasn’t de Tocqueville that said that. It was Alexander Fraser Tyler, Cycle Of Democracy (1770)


  84. taxfreekiller
    84 | November 7, 2012 12:35 pm

    We are all carbon now.


  85. waldensianspirit
    85 | November 7, 2012 12:35 pm

    Mars wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:
    No my change would be anybody with property and paying taxes votes

    I have a major problem with that. I can’t afford property and I can’t find work in order to pay taxes. But hey I gave up my health and well being to serve my country so fuck me I guess.

    The jobs would come right back


  86. John Difool
    86 | November 7, 2012 12:36 pm

    @ Mars:

    Assuming he isn’t on top of it today.

    There is no uncertainty in the markets right now & there won’t be for the next 3 years. In fact, the markets are so certain right now they are taking a deep plunge & taking the dollar with it.


  87. Mars
    87 | November 7, 2012 12:36 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    waldensianspirit wrote:
    No my change would be anybody with property and paying taxes votes
    That attitude will not win us voters. We need to compete with the Dems for voters. We need to deal with reality and come up with a new strategy.

    Well if you change the EC then the Dems will win every time because every Dem in the blues will vote

    Not quite sure where you see that. County by county breakdown shows the Republicans would have won the EC quite easily this time around. ALL the blue was centered on the cities.


  88. waldensianspirit
    88 | November 7, 2012 12:39 pm

    @ Mars:
    Dem vote is less in California, New York etc because it is too easy for them; not all have to show up.


  89. 89 | November 7, 2012 12:39 pm

    @ Mars:

    We adopt their tactics.

    I want to write more but it would cause too much controversy. The fact is the GOP needs to realize the nation has changed and adapt.

    One thing, we need to treat the media as enemy #1.


  90. taxfreekiller
    90 | November 7, 2012 12:42 pm

    On what God is doing.

    We are so much better off than 90% of the earth so he is doing his work were it is most needed. He also invented personal responsibility and will hold U.S. to that, as he should.


  91. Brick
    91 | November 7, 2012 12:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I may not be popular for saying this, but the GOP needs to enter the 21st century. America has changed and the GOP needs to change its approach to winning elections. They need to broaden the base.
    Romney ran the best he could, but the country has changed and his campaign was based on the assumption this is the same country as recently as the 90′s.
    One thing, the GOP needs to adopt the tactics of Saul Alinsky. It’s time to play the Left’s game. The media needs to be treated as an enemy entity. They are part of the DNC. We need to recruit charismatic people who can appeal on TV and for low information voters.
    I can write more but will not since most people will disagree with what I think needs to be done.
    I am dedicating myself now to defeating Chris Cristie in 2013. I will do a post on that.

    I owe you an apology, Rodan. Awhile back I gave you a raft of shit about you wanting Americans to suffer to teach them a lesson so to speak. This morning I understand exactly where you were coming from.


  92. Mars
    92 | November 7, 2012 12:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    We adopt their tactics.
    I want to write more but it would cause too much controversy. The fact is the GOP needs to realize the nation has changed and adapt.
    One thing, we need to treat the media as enemy #1.

    Please explain how to do that without having the media?

    It doesn’t do any good to go forward that way if no one sees it.

    Ask anyone on the street if they know about the incredible work that O’Keefe has done on voter fraud. Or ask about all the amazing work that Bretibart did and his organization carries on. Hell, ask anyone about Benghazi or Fast and Furious.

    No one knows any of this. The press won’t carry it and the blogosphere is so segmented into self-perpetuating little loops that no one will deviate from their own turf.

    I even feel sick to my stomach when I stumble any of the liberal websites. I don’t even go to Huffpoo for movie news.


  93. taxfreekiller
    93 | November 7, 2012 12:47 pm

    Clear it is many expect others to do the job of the sheep dog.

    To many sheep not enough sheep dogs to protect the flock.

    The flock will be made smaller by these wolfes of the commie Democrats eating the less able who fall behind on their taxes.

    Time will come when the sheep dogs will rule once more and the flock will grow and will be able to seek happiness once more.


  94. 94 | November 7, 2012 12:50 pm

    @ Brick:

    I saw this coming. Nothing does Obama damage and Conservatives didn’t see reality. Americans want Marxism, let them see the consequences. meanwhile, the GOP needs to adapt to the 21st century.


  95. 95 | November 7, 2012 12:51 pm

    @ Mars:

    We have to start somewhere. What Republicans are doing now aint working.


  96. song_and_dance_man
    96 | November 7, 2012 12:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    One thing, the GOP needs to adopt the tactics of Saul Alinsky. It’s time to play the Left’s game.

    I’ve been saying much the same thing with different words. Enough playing Mr. Nice Guy. We need to take the fight to them with the same kind of tactics they use.

    One of the reason I liked Newt for the pick was his eagerness to call out Chair. He was the only candidate that had the balls to charge B. Hussein with the truth of his idealism and associations to the most radical group on the Left.


  97. taxfreekiller
    97 | November 7, 2012 12:53 pm

    First the evil will eat those of the cult who stray from the cults ways. This will weaken the cult. The cult is only about power. Power will make them mad as always. Then they will turn on themselves and lust for more blood.

    Avoid the freezy.

    Know yourself and those you need to trust.

    Beware of the RINO’s they eat their own.


  98. Speranza
    98 | November 7, 2012 12:53 pm

    Brick wrote:

    I owe you an apology, Rodan. Awhile back I gave you a raft of shit about you wanting Americans to suffer to teach them a lesson so to speak. This morning I understand exactly where you were coming from.

    I hate this because me and so many of my friends will suffer along with the rest of the nation but it is almost as if we deserve the coming deluge. Still I hope we (thanks to a GOP congress) can staunch the bleeding until 2016.
    Btw is there anyone here who thinks that things would have been better last night if Gingrich, Santorum, Bachmann, Cain or Palin had been the nominee? Yeah I did not think so. There is something fundamentally wrong with America when a wholly qualified, reasonable, patriotic good man such as Mitt Romney can lose to an Obama who was such a disastrous first term POTUS.

    Thank you George W. Bush for giving us a John Roberts.


  99. Mars
    99 | November 7, 2012 12:55 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    We have to start somewhere. What Republicans are doing now aint working.

    Once again. You are not wrong. But, where can it start? Without the media I’m hitting a dead end here. I mean Beck had it right, I noticed that GBTV is now of Dish networks lineup and that’s a huge step forward. We need more of that, we need some of our big money people to buy out some of the traditional outlets out from under the libs.

    But, how do we get them to do that?

    The papers are dying so they’d be cheap, but nobody really cares about anything past the sports, comics, and coupons.

    We need our hands on one of the the alphabet networks.


  100. waldensianspirit
    100 | November 7, 2012 12:55 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Brick:
    I saw this coming. Nothing does Obama damage and Conservatives didn’t see reality. Americans want Marxism, let them see the consequences. meanwhile, the GOP needs to adapt to the 21st century.

    Disagree with this. The blue states need to suffer. The conservatives need to beef up and defend the quality of life in the red states. And Fight the feds as one group


  101. Mars
    101 | November 7, 2012 12:57 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Brick wrote:
    I owe you an apology, Rodan. Awhile back I gave you a raft of shit about you wanting Americans to suffer to teach them a lesson so to speak. This morning I understand exactly where you were coming from.
    I hate this because me and so many of my friends will suffer along with the rest of the nation but it is almost as if we deserve the coming deluge. Still I hope we (thanks to a GOP congress) can staunch the bleeding until 2016.
    Btw is there anyone here who thinks that things would have been better last night if Gingrich, Bachmann, Cain or Palin had been the nominee? Yeah I did not think so. There is something fundamentally wrong with America when a wholly qualified, reasonable, patriotic good man such as Mitt Romney can lose to an Obama who was such a disastrous first term POTUS.
    Thank you George W. Bush for giving us a John Roberts.

    We only have to hold out till 2014. Patterns right now show that there will probably be huge gains in the senate and at the state level for the GOP if we don’t fuck it all up.


  102. buzzsawmonkey
    102 | November 7, 2012 12:59 pm

    taxfreekiller wrote:

    We are all carbon now.

    Well said.


  103. John Difool
    103 | November 7, 2012 12:59 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Romney is a good man but he let Scoamf off the hook in the 3rd debate & decided to do the nice guy routine.

    Benghazi & F&F should have been his two main talking points & he should have opened up on Obama hard with them & struck while the iron was hot & momentum was still strong.


  104. Speranza
    104 | November 7, 2012 12:59 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I may not be popular for saying this, but the GOP needs to enter the 21st century. America has changed and the GOP needs to change its approach to winning elections. They need to broaden the base.
    Romney ran the best he could, but the country has changed and his campaign was based on the assumption this is the same country as recently as the 90′s.
    One thing, the GOP needs to adopt the tactics of Saul Alinsky. It’s time to play the Left’s game. The media needs to be treated as an enemy entity. They are part of the DNC. We need to recruit charismatic people who can appeal on TV and for low information voters.
    I can write more but will not since most people will disagree with what I think needs to be done.
    I am dedicating myself now to defeating Chris Cristie in 2013. I will do a post on that.

    Face it -- The “culture wars” have been lost. We can no more go back to the America of 1957 then the people of 1912 America could go back to the America of 1857.


  105. song_and_dance_man
    105 | November 7, 2012 1:01 pm

    @ taxfreekiller:
    “It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains” -- Patrick Henry


  106. Mars
    106 | November 7, 2012 1:02 pm

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/11/07/white-house-insider-shut-up-move-on-or-not/

    WH Insider says numbers don’t add up.


  107. Speranza
    107 | November 7, 2012 1:02 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Romney is a good man but he let Scoamf off the hook in the 3rd debate & decided to do the nice guy routine.
    Benghazi & F&F should have been his two main talking points & he should have opened up on Obama hard with them & struck while the iron was hot & momentum was still strong.

    Not sure about that. I really do not think that Americans give a crap about foreign policy f*ck ups much (at least when they happen on a Democrats watch) unless we are involved in a shooting war. I was impressed by Romney’s demeanor at the third debate. The problem is with the nation. How many of the unemployed/underemployed Americans voted for Romney? I think the answer would be “far too many”.


  108. 108 | November 7, 2012 1:02 pm

    @ Mars:

    I mean Beck had it right, I noticed that GBTV is now of Dish networks lineup and that’s a huge step forward. We need more of that, we need some of our big money people to buy out some of the traditional outlets out from under the libs.

    But, how do we get them to do that?

    The papers are dying so they’d be cheap, but nobody really cares about anything past the sports, comics, and coupons.

    We need our hands on one of the the alphabet networks.

    That is what I have been thinking about. It’s time to form a parallel media.


  109. taxfreekiller
    109 | November 7, 2012 1:03 pm

    All the talk shows have this problem.

    The host gets on for 9 min. then the adds 3 min, then the ABC,CBS,NBC,AP news lies told as truth 3 min. for a total of 15 min. then over and over for the 24 hours.

    The host makes the money for the stations to broadcast the AP lies.

    We conservatives are as a matter of fact the customers of the companies who sell their products on the conseveative talk shows.

    The Govt. claims they “own” the AM/FM waves the antenas send out.

    The sheep only have the $ and time to listen to the free AM/FM.

    We have to find a way to reach around the Goverment and the ABC’s etal and reach the dumbed down voters and pass the word of truth to them on who is getting the con run on them.


  110. Speranza
    110 | November 7, 2012 1:07 pm

    Mars wrote:

    We only have to hold out till 2014. Patterns right now show that there will probably be huge gains in the senate and at the state level for the GOP if we don’t fuck it all up.

    We have no problems winning on the state and local level, however on the national level -- well that is a different story. We need to be able to appeal to younger people and folks of Spanish background.


  111. taxfreekiller
    111 | November 7, 2012 1:07 pm

    Hire the illegals to do the work at the newspapers we buy.
    Hell have them deliver the papers.
    That way they will learn how the system works.
    Just make sure they have green cards.


  112. Speranza
    112 | November 7, 2012 1:09 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    One of the reason I liked Newt for the pick was his eagerness to call out Chair. He was the only candidate that had the balls to charge B. Hussein with the truth of his idealism and associations to the most radical group on the Left.

    On a national level he just would not sell to the public. Whom would he have won over that Romney failed to win? So he was a good debater -- Obama debated terribly but guess who won?


  113. waldensianspirit
    113 | November 7, 2012 1:10 pm

    Watch the private sector companies over the next 5 months in blue states. Mass exodus pending


  114. song_and_dance_man
    114 | November 7, 2012 1:12 pm

    @ Speranza:
    He would have changed the debate and points of contention and focused more on just how we got to this place both socially and economically.


  115. Mars
    115 | November 7, 2012 1:13 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    We only have to hold out till 2014. Patterns right now show that there will probably be huge gains in the senate and at the state level for the GOP if we don’t fuck it all up.
    We have no problems winning on the state and local level, however on the national level — well that is a different story. We need to be able to appeal to younger people and folks of Spanish background.

    I notice Univision is starting to lean more our direction on some things. How do we get the word out. I know the dems have used the illegal immigration issue to drive a wedge between the Hispanics and the GOP, but the fact remains illegal immigration hurts them as much as it hurts everyone else. Only the companies profit. And it’s going to get worse. As more and more people compete for less and less jobs, the illegals that haven’t already decided this country is lost will be holding jobs that people want but federal law says they can’t work because wages are too low.


  116. Brick
    116 | November 7, 2012 1:14 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    We only have to hold out till 2014. Patterns right now show that there will probably be huge gains in the senate and at the state level for the GOP if we don’t fuck it all up.
    We have no problems winning on the state and local level, however on the national level — well that is a different story. We need to be able to appeal to younger people and folks of Spanish background.

    Disagree entirely. Pandering to different voter blocs is precisely how we got here. Liberty, equal opportunity, pursuit of happiness -- who doesn’t that appeal to?


  117. taxfreekiller
    117 | November 7, 2012 1:14 pm

    What we see happen here on this conservative blog is the same thing that happens at Republican precicent, county, state and national conventions.

    Lots of good ideas get kicked around, a over lord/lords, “leaders”,, its my way I have so and so power and I have more votes so your good idea outsider is not going to even get a reading before the whole of a convention at any level.


  118. song_and_dance_man
    118 | November 7, 2012 1:15 pm

    Sixty years before Christ’s birth, great orator and statesman Marcus Tullius Cicero watched plaintively as his republic faded before his eyes and Julius Caesar became the first Roman emperor. As today, some felt betrayed by their leaders, but Cicero knew that the people themselves were ultimately responsible for Rome’s slide into empire, saying, “Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have … rejoiced in their loss of freedom … who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of … “more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.’ Julius was always an ambitious villain, but he is only one man.”

    One man can accomplish much, but only when aided by others. A leader is no more an island than is any citizen, and if he works ill, it’s only because of millions of enablers. Perhaps no one said this better than British statesman and philosopher Edmund Burke, who instructed, “Society cannot exist unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere, and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.” That is, if men assume that freedom is license, if they assume that they can do whatever they want and abandon a freely accepted moral code in favor of the law of the jungle, the resulting moral anarchy will inevitably lead to the loss of freedom. Thus, if a people loses its virtue, it is doomed. It is beyond salvation by party, politician, or prophet. It is obvious to many why this is so, yet others don’t see the relationship between freedom and morality; they compartmentalize man’s existence.

    Selwyn Duke

    It is time to pray


  119. Mars
    119 | November 7, 2012 1:16 pm

    Seriously I’m with TFK here. We need to go guerrilla now. Underground papers and magazines, graffiti, revolutionary phrasing. Go back to the 60′s but without the firebombing and murders.

    I wish I had the money to start printing massive flyers just based on the pamphlets I get from the Freedom Center. Hell, I wish I had the money to buy a couple thousand and leave them in strategic places around town.


  120. lobo91
    120 | November 7, 2012 1:17 pm

    @ Brick:

    Liberty, equal opportunity, pursuit of happiness — who doesn’t that appeal to?

    Considering what happened last night, just over 50% of the population, apparently.


  121. Emperor
    121 | November 7, 2012 1:19 pm

    What we really need is a leader who isn’t afraid to get down and dirty, fighting down at the Democrat’s level not taking any bullshit…doing everything it takes to win. Another Nixon, maybe.

    Certainly we shouldn’t even bother talking about lofty policy objectives, entitlement reform, whatever, in the current context. The most important task is to stop the bleeding -- which can only be done by stopping the Democrats.

    Romney was a good candidate in many ways but in one sense, he was simply too much of a gentleman. We need a cutthroat.


  122. 122 | November 7, 2012 1:19 pm

    Mars wrote:

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/11/07/white-house-insider-shut-up-move-on-or-not/
    WH Insider says numbers don’t add up.

    I’m sure they don’t.

    But we no longer live under the rule of law, and there’s nothing we can do about it.

    Even if we were able to prove the election was stolen, it wouldn’t make any difference because we don’t have any way of depriving the “winners” of their ill-gotten gains.


  123. 123 | November 7, 2012 1:19 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Seriously I’m with TFK here. We need to go guerrilla now. Underground papers and magazines, graffiti, revolutionary phrasing. Go back to the 60′s but without the firebombing and murders.
    I wish I had the money to start printing massive flyers just based on the pamphlets I get from the Freedom Center. Hell, I wish I had the money to buy a couple thousand and leave them in strategic places around town.

    I have been calling this for a while. The Left did not take over night. The Right needs to do the same.


  124. Brick
    124 | November 7, 2012 1:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Brick:
    Liberty, equal opportunity, pursuit of happiness — who doesn’t that appeal to?
    Considering what happened last night, just over 50% of the population, apparently.

    Ouch. Nicely played.


  125. 125 | November 7, 2012 1:20 pm

    Emperor wrote:

    What we really need is a leader who isn’t afraid to get down and dirty, fighting down at the Democrat’s level not taking any bullshit…doing everything it takes to win. Another Nixon, maybe.
    Certainly we shouldn’t even bother talking about lofty policy objectives, entitlement reform, whatever, in the current context. The most important task is to stop the bleeding — which can only be done by stopping the Democrats.
    Romney was a good candidate in many ways but in one sense, he was simply too much of a gentleman. We need a cutthroat.

    Yup, we need a brawler to win.


  126. 126 | November 7, 2012 1:20 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Watch the private sector companies over the next 5 months in blue states. Mass exodus pending

    Not to the red states where the federal grabbermint can still get at them, but overseas.


  127. song_and_dance_man
    127 | November 7, 2012 1:21 pm

    Livery and freedom only work when there is a controlling moral authority from the majority. We have lost that and that is why we are entering what some describe as the Winter of America.


  128. Mars
    128 | November 7, 2012 1:21 pm

    Everyone should read what is being said on Ulsterman right now. I’m not saying that there was a Republican/Dem conspiracy to commit massive vote fraud, but something isn’t sitting right. If the Rep helped in this then they would be running around right now saying we need to go more the left to appeal to women and minorities. Now go check your news sources. That is exactly what they are saying today.

    The rumble of Jeb Bush 2016 has been running around the elite circles for a while. Now they are going to ram it down our throats unless we start the ground offensive now.


  129. Emperor
    129 | November 7, 2012 1:22 pm

    @ Speranza:
    This is all well and good.. But there is only so much you can do without compromising principles -- which always backfires.

    In Europe you see that in elections between a socialist and the so-called “center-right” party that pretends to be socialist, the voters go with the real deal every time.


  130. Mars
    130 | November 7, 2012 1:23 pm

    “Late last night Congressman West maintained a district-wide lead of nearly 2,000 votes until the St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections ‘recounted’ thousands of early ballots,” the campaign said. “Following that ‘recount’ Congressman West trailed by 2,400 votes.”

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/this-race-is-far-from-decided-allen-west-wants-a-recount/

    Recounting during an election? There is something really fishy going on here.


  131. 131 | November 7, 2012 1:24 pm

    @ Mars:

    No way with Jeb. The stench of the Bush family is part of the reason we lost.


  132. 132 | November 7, 2012 1:25 pm

    Brick wrote:

    Liberty, equal opportunity, pursuit of happiness — who doesn’t that appeal to?

    Over half the voting population, apparently. It isn’t as bad for me. I live in a deep Red State. Only four counties in the whole State of Tennessee went for Obama.


  133. Brick
    133 | November 7, 2012 1:25 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Seriously I’m with TFK here. We need to go guerrilla now. Underground papers and magazines, graffiti, revolutionary phrasing. Go back to the 60′s but without the firebombing and murders.
    I wish I had the money to start printing massive flyers just based on the pamphlets I get from the Freedom Center. Hell, I wish I had the money to buy a couple thousand and leave them in strategic places around town.

    When you’re outnumbered, and the opposition effectively controls the major terrain features, the only course left is asymmetric. I agree with newsletters/flyers/etc. The decline of print media lies not with the media -- but with the message. I see no reason why a conservative based news analysis/opinion periodical couldn’t be a viable commercial entity. It would have to be easily digestible (pardon the pun). Some unconventional delivery/propagation conduits already exist and are simply lying dormant.


  134. Mars
    134 | November 7, 2012 1:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    No way with Jeb. The stench of the Bush family is part of the reason we lost.

    You’re thinking like a rational human being. Think like an elite. This is exactly what they want. Where the hell do you think Christie got his damn orders?

    This is Rove all the way.


  135. Mars
    135 | November 7, 2012 1:27 pm

    Brick wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Seriously I’m with TFK here. We need to go guerrilla now. Underground papers and magazines, graffiti, revolutionary phrasing. Go back to the 60′s but without the firebombing and murders.
    I wish I had the money to start printing massive flyers just based on the pamphlets I get from the Freedom Center. Hell, I wish I had the money to buy a couple thousand and leave them in strategic places around town.

    When you’re outnumbered, and the opposition effectively controls the major terrain features, the only course left is asymmetric. I agree with newsletters/flyers/etc. The decline of print media lies not with the media — but with the message. I see no reason why a conservative based news analysis/opinion periodical couldn’t be a viable commercial entity. It would have to be easily digestible (pardon the pun). Some unconventional delivery/propagation conduits already exist and are simply lying dormant.

    Let’s buy the NY Times I hear it needs a bailout.


  136. Mars
    136 | November 7, 2012 1:28 pm

    Brick wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Seriously I’m with TFK here. We need to go guerrilla now. Underground papers and magazines, graffiti, revolutionary phrasing. Go back to the 60′s but without the firebombing and murders.
    I wish I had the money to start printing massive flyers just based on the pamphlets I get from the Freedom Center. Hell, I wish I had the money to buy a couple thousand and leave them in strategic places around town.

    When you’re outnumbered, and the opposition effectively controls the major terrain features, the only course left is asymmetric. I agree with newsletters/flyers/etc. The decline of print media lies not with the media — but with the message. I see no reason why a conservative based news analysis/opinion periodical couldn’t be a viable commercial entity. It would have to be easily digestible (pardon the pun). Some unconventional delivery/propagation conduits already exist and are simply lying dormant.

    The Freedom Center pamphlets are perfect. Everyone here should get one. Once you’ve ordered one they keep sending you the new ones as they come out. Small book samples that are easy to read in one sitting.

    They lay everything out in a very easily digestible fashion and the writers are some of the best we have.

    (The one before last was by Robert Spencer.)


  137. buzzsawmonkey
    137 | November 7, 2012 1:29 pm

    Brick wrote:

    When you’re outnumbered, and the opposition effectively controls the major terrain features, the only course left is asymmetric. I agree with newsletters/flyers/etc. The decline of print media lies not with the media — but with the message. I see no reason why a conservative based news analysis/opinion periodical couldn’t be a viable commercial entity. It would have to be easily digestible (pardon the pun). Some unconventional delivery/propagation conduits already exist and are simply lying dormant.

    Perhaps my graphics background is speaking too loudly here, but it seems to me that we need…posters. Lots of posters.

    I have a poster that hung in my office that read, “Privately owned and operated businesses competing with each other strive constantly to provide you with better products—cheaper.” The images show the “old” product and the then-new improved version.

    It seems to me that we need to produce lots and lots of images and graphic exhortations like this, and spread them around—to people, to businesses, put ‘em on walls, etc. We need to educate people, and the media won’t do it; the Internet has people who go to their own areas of interest.

    Posters can go anywhere.

    What say you folks?


  138. waldensianspirit
    138 | November 7, 2012 1:29 pm

    So we have all the Dem Presidents out there loud and influencing the mess. President George W Bush is silent influencing the mess


  139. Speranza
    139 | November 7, 2012 1:30 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    As a commentor on my blog pointed out, it wasn’t de Tocqueville that said that. It was Alexander Fraser Tyler, Cycle Of Democracy (1770)

    Thanks for the correction.


  140. 140 | November 7, 2012 1:30 pm

    The American flag at the Follansbee, WV McDonald’s is flying at half-staff and upside down today. Someone at the restaurant told a reporter that this was “the owner’s decision.”


  141. 141 | November 7, 2012 1:30 pm

    @ Mars:

    I’m doing a Chris Cristie post as we speak.


  142. Brick
    142 | November 7, 2012 1:31 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Brick wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    Seriously I’m with TFK here. We need to go guerrilla now. Underground papers and magazines, graffiti, revolutionary phrasing. Go back to the 60′s but without the firebombing and murders.
    I wish I had the money to start printing massive flyers just based on the pamphlets I get from the Freedom Center. Hell, I wish I had the money to buy a couple thousand and leave them in strategic places around town.
    When you’re outnumbered, and the opposition effectively controls the major terrain features, the only course left is asymmetric. I agree with newsletters/flyers/etc. The decline of print media lies not with the media — but with the message. I see no reason why a conservative based news analysis/opinion periodical couldn’t be a viable commercial entity. It would have to be easily digestible (pardon the pun). Some unconventional delivery/propagation conduits already exist and are simply lying dormant.

    Let’s buy the NY Times I hear it needs a bailout.

    That’ll be the next big push from the FSA. Gov’t subsidies to all failing media. “Don’t worry about the bottom line guys, we’ll take care of that. Just remember who’s paying your bills and everything will be groovy.” -- under the guise of the First Amendment is too important to let fail!


  143. 143 | November 7, 2012 1:32 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Obama ran the nastiest campaign in American history, and he won. There is a lesson there. We need to demonize and destroy whomever the Democrats put up in 2016. I despair, though, because 2016 will be too late. We’ll be $21 trillion in debt, and we can’t dig out from under that with this economy.


  144. 144 | November 7, 2012 1:32 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I think the GOP should formally throw Bush under the Bush. We should say that we have nothing to do with Bush’s failures and we reject his ideology. We need to treat him the way Dems treated LBJ.


  145. 145 | November 7, 2012 1:33 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Obama ran the nastiest campaign in American history, and he won. There is a lesson there. We need to demonize and destroy whomever the Democrats put up in 2016. I despair, though, because 2016 will be too late. We’ll be $21 trillion in debt, and we can’t dig out from under that with this economy.

    We need to launch a slash and burn campaign in 2016. We also need to appeal to more voters.


  146. lobo91
    146 | November 7, 2012 1:35 pm

    Looks like that big snowstorm is coming to get all those people whose homes were damaged last week.

    I hope they enjoy the voice mail they get when they call Obama for help. He’s going to be busy partying.

    //Let them eat snow


  147. Brick
    147 | November 7, 2012 1:37 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Brick wrote:
    When you’re outnumbered, and the opposition effectively controls the major terrain features, the only course left is asymmetric. I agree with newsletters/flyers/etc. The decline of print media lies not with the media — but with the message. I see no reason why a conservative based news analysis/opinion periodical couldn’t be a viable commercial entity. It would have to be easily digestible (pardon the pun). Some unconventional delivery/propagation conduits already exist and are simply lying dormant.
    Perhaps my graphics background is speaking too loudly here, but it seems to me that we need…posters. Lots of posters.
    I have a poster that hung in my office that read, “Privately owned and operated businesses competing with each other strive constantly to provide you with better products—cheaper.” The images show the “old” product and the then-new improved version.
    It seems to me that we need to produce lots and lots of images and graphic exhortations like this, and spread them around—to people, to businesses, put ‘em on walls, etc. We need to educate people, and the media won’t do it; the Internet has people who go to their own areas of interest.
    Posters can go anywhere.
    What say you folks?

    Kind of a modern equivalent of handbills? From digital springs the analog. Would be effective for those still looking for something better or at least open-minded enough to do so. They could be both messages themselves and signposts to outlets for further messages.


  148. 148 | November 7, 2012 1:37 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Ironically the hardest hit areas like on Staten Island and parts of Queens are Republican.


  149. Alberta Oil Peon
    149 | November 7, 2012 1:39 pm

    Like I said above, starve the media to death. Simply don’t buy their shit. Take your TV out into the back forty, and use it for target practice. As long as you keep buying their crap, they will keep feeding it to you, and use the profits to work against you. How hard can that be to figure out?

    You know who the enemies are. Stop giving them money, FFS.


  150. lobo91
    150 | November 7, 2012 1:40 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I despair, though, because 2016 will be too late. We’ll be $21 trillion in debt, and we can’t dig out from under that with this economy.

    I think $21 trillion is probably a conservative estimate, actually. That assumes that things otherwise stay pretty much the same, which they won’t.

    Once we officially go back into a recession in a few months, the Dems are going to demand (and probably get) another TARP style infusion of cash.

    We’ll probably be looking at $22-24 trillion by the time Obama gets done.


  151. buzzsawmonkey
    151 | November 7, 2012 1:40 pm

    Brick wrote:

    Kind of a modern equivalent of handbills? From digital springs the analog. Would be effective for those still looking for something better or at least open-minded enough to do so. They could be both messages themselves and signposts to outlets for further messages.

    Nineteen boxcutters hijacked four airplanes and brought down the WTC. When high-tech is not practical, you go low-tech.

    Good graphics communicate with people. Posters—good posters—are an important teaching tool. Or can be. Look at the posters from the first half of the 20th century, particularly those from WWII. They were used as a major communications tool in schools, in manufacturing plants, in stores and shop windows.

    Something I said last time, and this time; Obama’s graphics were excellent. Republican graphics sucked. McCain’s sucked, and Romney’s sucked. That “R” of his was ugly and unbalanced. People respond to these things, subliminally—and the Republicans, or “conservatives” if you prefer, have been ceding the visual war for decades. We have to recapture the momentum in the visual war.


  152. song_and_dance_man
    152 | November 7, 2012 1:41 pm

    The Founders told us that ultimately our elected politicians are a mirror of ourselves. Just like you, before November 7, 2012, I lived in the fervent hope that the degradation of the Clinton and Obama years might be an exception to the long trend of American history. But two times eight years of radical leftists in high office can’t be an accident. We can’t just blame our sleazy media, or just the leftist political class, as corrupt and malevolent as they truly are.

    No — the balance of decency in America has changed. Every society has normal, decent people and the other kind. The America we grew up in was fundamentally decent. Decency was the expected standard.

    Now the balance has changed.

    The evidence for our sleazified culture can be seen all around. We have a President who won on revenge against middle class values. That’s what he meant by telling his people to vote for revenge. And they did — showing us exactly who they are.

    We are now a society divided between the makers and the takers, and the takers are on a campaign of theft and revenge.


  153. buzzsawmonkey
    153 | November 7, 2012 1:41 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Ironically the hardest hit areas like on Staten Island and parts of Queens are Republican.

    Not so ironically, they’ve been getting shit response from FEMA by all accounts.


  154. lobo91
    154 | November 7, 2012 1:41 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Ironically the hardest hit areas like on Staten Island and parts of Queens are Republican.

    Obama would call those people bumps in the road.


  155. lobo91
    155 | November 7, 2012 1:42 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Ironically the hardest hit areas like on Staten Island and parts of Queens are Republican.

    Not so ironically, they’ve been getting shit response from FEMA by all accounts.

    I hope they don’t think it’s going to improve now.


  156. Mars
    156 | November 7, 2012 1:42 pm

    WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STOP SAYING 2016!

    We need to do all this by 2014 or there won’t be an election in 2016.

    Every candidate from both sides must be primaried. They have to face the fire or they won’t be ready for the 2014 mid terms. Every democrat needs to be tied directly to this mess and every little thing that goes wrong the next two years must be set at their feet.

    If the groundwork isn’t set by 2014 we don’t stand a chance in 2016.


  157. Mars
    157 | November 7, 2012 1:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I think the GOP should formally throw Bush under the Bush. We should say that we have nothing to do with Bush’s failures and we reject his ideology. We need to treat him the way Dems treated LBJ.

    And yet oddly O is the evolution of all of LBJ’s ideas.


  158. Brick
    158 | November 7, 2012 1:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    Obama ran the nastiest campaign in American history, and he won. There is a lesson there. We need to demonize and destroy whomever the Democrats put up in 2016. I despair, though, because 2016 will be too late. We’ll be $21 trillion in debt, and we can’t dig out from under that with this economy.

    We need to launch a slash and burn campaign in 2016. We also need to appeal to more voters.

    Zombies. We know they like brains/free stuff. Why do we want those people in our camps or want to appeal to them?


  159. Speranza
    159 | November 7, 2012 1:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I think the GOP should formally throw Bush under the Bush. We should say that we have nothing to do with Bush’s failures and we reject his ideology. We need to treat him the way Dems treated LBJ.

    How long until Jeb Porky Bush becomes the “choice du jour”?


  160. Mars
    160 | November 7, 2012 1:45 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    The Founders told us that ultimately our elected politicians are a mirror of ourselves. Just like you, before November 7, 2012, I lived in the fervent hope that the degradation of the Clinton and Obama years might be an exception to the long trend of American history. But two times eight years of radical leftists in high office can’t be an accident. We can’t just blame our sleazy media, or just the leftist political class, as corrupt and malevolent as they truly are.
    No — the balance of decency in America has changed. Every society has normal, decent people and the other kind. The America we grew up in was fundamentally decent. Decency was the expected standard.
    Now the balance has changed.
    The evidence for our sleazified culture can be seen all around. We have a President who won on revenge against middle class values. That’s what he meant by telling his people to vote for revenge. And they did — showing us exactly who they are.
    We are now a society divided between the makers and the takers, and the takers are on a campaign of theft and revenge.

    All it takes is a look at popular culture to see that.


  161. Mars
    161 | November 7, 2012 1:46 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Speranza:
    I think the GOP should formally throw Bush under the Bush. We should say that we have nothing to do with Bush’s failures and we reject his ideology. We need to treat him the way Dems treated LBJ.

    How long until Jeb Porky Bush becomes the “choice du jour”?

    Read Ulsterman, especially the comments. It’s already started, in fact the elites were working on it two years ago.


  162. Mars
    162 | November 7, 2012 1:47 pm

    If we don’t get our shit together now it will be Bush/Christie 2016 vs Hillary/Obama. )Though I can’t see either of those two taking the second banana position.


  163. song_and_dance_man
    163 | November 7, 2012 1:47 pm

    Mars wrote:

    WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STOP SAYING 2016!

    We need to do all this by 2014 or there won’t be an election in 2016.

    The midterms are the key to lame-ducking Hussein, and lame-ducking him hard with no compromise. Hopefully before then Benghazi will become too huge to ignore.


  164. bluliner10
    164 | November 7, 2012 1:47 pm

    LtCol West demanding a recount. Good on him, Rodan you want a warfighter? Here he is.


  165. lobo91
    165 | November 7, 2012 1:50 pm

    @ Speranza:

    How long until Jeb Porky Bush becomes the “choice du jour”?

    Probably next week


  166. darkwords
    166 | November 7, 2012 1:51 pm

    @ Rodan: I agree with Rodan. If the GoP can’t step up and change to embrace better health care and more hispanics. Then I need to move on to a smaller party and be more active. I think Romney did fine. I think he got rope a doped like McCain though. Pressured to not run negative while he opponent did. I think there is a huge voter population there that responds to tabloid advertising.


  167. 167 | November 7, 2012 1:53 pm

    @ Brick:

    Why do we want those people in our camps or want to appeal to them?

    So we can win, that’s why. We need to appeal to low information voters.


  168. Brick
    168 | November 7, 2012 1:54 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Brick wrote:
    Kind of a modern equivalent of handbills? From digital springs the analog. Would be effective for those still looking for something better or at least open-minded enough to do so. They could be both messages themselves and signposts to outlets for further messages.
    Nineteen boxcutters hijacked four airplanes and brought down the WTC. When high-tech is not practical, you go low-tech.
    Good graphics communicate with people. Posters—good posters—are an important teaching tool. Or can be. Look at the posters from the first half of the 20th century, particularly those from WWII. They were used as a major communications tool in schools, in manufacturing plants, in stores and shop windows.
    Something I said last time, and this time; Obama’s graphics were excellent. Republican graphics sucked. McCain’s sucked, and Romney’s sucked. That “R” of his was ugly and unbalanced. People respond to these things, subliminally—and the Republicans, or “conservatives” if you prefer, have been ceding the visual war for decades. We have to recapture the momentum in the visual war.

    So, where would one start?


  169. 169 | November 7, 2012 1:55 pm

    @ darkwords:

    The GOP needs to appeal to a broader audience. We need to appeal to low information voters. That means coming up with better slogans.


  170. 170 | November 7, 2012 1:56 pm

    @ Speranza:
    @ lobo91:

    It’s begun already. The Texas Mafia is happy at Romney’s lost. Mitt should never had Rove as an adviser. Rove did not have the best intentions.


  171. 171 | November 7, 2012 1:57 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    LtCol West demanding a recount. Good on him, Rodan you want a warfighter? Here he is.

    I pray he pulls it out.


  172. Brick
    172 | November 7, 2012 1:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Brick:
    Why do we want those people in our camps or want to appeal to them?
    So we can win, that’s why. We need to appeal to low information voters.

    You can’t have a platform that espouses fiscal responsibility while simultaneously promising free stuff to attract the lo-fo-vos.


  173. Mars
    173 | November 7, 2012 1:58 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ Rodan: I agree with Rodan. If the GoP can’t step up and change to embrace better health care and more hispanics. Then I need to move on to a smaller party and be more active. I think Romney did fine. I think he got rope a doped like McCain though. Pressured to not run negative while he opponent did. I think there is a huge voter population there that responds to tabloid advertising.

    There are only two things that can be done to improve healthcare right now. Get the government limits off of interstate health insurance trading and get some damn tort reform so the doctors aren’t afraid their going to be sued if the tell you something you don’t want to hear.

    As for the hispanics, I agree we need them, they are conservative at heart, but for some reason they have bought all the spoonfed bullshit the liberals have given them..

    So you want to make some suggestions on how to accomplish these things or do you just want to be “that guy”.


  174. 174 | November 7, 2012 2:00 pm

    @ Brick:

    Low information voters did not vote for free stuff. They voted against Romney because he was portrayed as evil. We need a message that low information voters can understand.


  175. Brick
    175 | November 7, 2012 2:00 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ darkwords:
    The GOP needs to appeal to a broader audience. We need to appeal to low information voters. That means coming up with better slogans.

    That’s classic branding. Equally important however, is a message carrier that can be effectively contrasted against the bad guy. Buy brand B because we’re not Brand A isn’t much of a slogan.


  176. Runner
    176 | November 7, 2012 2:01 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Something I said last time, and this time; Obama’s graphics were excellent. Republican graphics sucked. McCain’s sucked, and Romney’s sucked. That “R” of his was ugly and unbalanced. People respond to these things, subliminally—and the Republicans, or “conservatives” if you prefer, have been ceding the visual war for decades. We have to recapture the momentum in the visual war.

    As a designer, I have noticed this for some time now. Republicans need to reposition their brand (hell, they need to define their brand first) and good graphics is a key component to reinforcing your message. Obama’s campaign in particular had some of the best graphics I have ever seen in politics in my lifetime. It’s a result of big-name designers and advertising guys working for his campaign.

    I would love to be a part of putting together some posters with conservative messages but don’t really have any good ideas for messages. I have been thinking about starting one of those online stores where you can purchase tshirts, mugs, etc. with my graphics on them but never seem to find the time. I don’t even know how much something like that could be helpful or influential but it’s worth investigating, I guess.


  177. 177 | November 7, 2012 2:02 pm

    @ Mars:

    As for the hispanics, I agree we need them, they are conservative at heart, but for some reason they have bought all the spoonfed bullshit the liberals have given them..

    That’s partly the GOP’s fault. After Bush got 44% in 2004, the Republicans did turn their backs on that community. You have to engage a community to win its vote. I will write about this in the future.


  178. Speranza
    178 | November 7, 2012 2:02 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ Rodan: I agree with Rodan. If the GoP can’t step up and change to embrace better health care and more hispanics. Then I need to move on to a smaller party and be more active. I think Romney did fine. I think he got rope a doped like McCain though. Pressured to not run negative while he opponent did. I think there is a huge voter population there that responds to tabloid advertising.

    As I have written earlier -- I don’t blame Romney at all. The only fault I found in him was during the primaries when he sounded too nativist at times. That was because of folks like Bachmann and Santorum. Mitt really wanted to win.


  179. Mars
    179 | November 7, 2012 2:02 pm

    Brick wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ Brick:
    Why do we want those people in our camps or want to appeal to them?
    So we can win, that’s why. We need to appeal to low information voters.

    You can’t have a platform that espouses fiscal responsibility while simultaneously promising free stuff to attract the lo-fo-vos.

    Don’t have to promise free anything. Have to get the message out about prosperity and fiscal responsibility without the damn media spinning everything into a backasswards mess.

    The fact remains that it seems like everyone wants free stuff and maybe they do. But, that is largely because the press isn’t telling them what the actual human costs of everything are.

    “Free healthcare” is great in their minds, but they don’t know what the quality is going to be, they don’t know about the death auditing, they don’t know about what happens when the money runs out.

    Just like the tobacco taxes, our politicians never thought ahead to what happens when they finish banning smoking and the tax revenue dries up. Where does SCHIP get it’s money then?

    The public isn’t being told these things, and as long as they only have the old media in their brains they won’t be.


  180. 180 | November 7, 2012 2:03 pm

    @ Brick:

    Right, we need a combo of our Brand is better for you because of x. The other one is not good for you because of X.


  181. Speranza
    181 | November 7, 2012 2:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    @ lobo91:
    It’s begun already. The Texas Mafia is happy at Romney’s lost. Mitt should never had Rove as an adviser. Rove did not have the best intentions.

    Having Rove as an adviser is similar to having Liz Taylor as a marriage counselor.


  182. Runner
    182 | November 7, 2012 2:04 pm

    Runner wrote:

    I have been thinking about starting one of those online stores where you can purchase tshirts, mugs, etc. with my graphics on them but never seem to find the time

    I should also say that the goal wouldn’t be to make money but get a message out.


  183. Mars
    183 | November 7, 2012 2:04 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    darkwords wrote:
    @ Rodan: I agree with Rodan. If the GoP can’t step up and change to embrace better health care and more hispanics. Then I need to move on to a smaller party and be more active. I think Romney did fine. I think he got rope a doped like McCain though. Pressured to not run negative while he opponent did. I think there is a huge voter population there that responds to tabloid advertising.

    As I have written earlier — I don’t blame Romney at all. The only fault I found in him was during the primaries when he sounded too nativist at times. That was because of folks like Bachmann and Santorum. Mitt really wanted to win.

    Crap that’ what we’ve been missing. How the hell do we buy the Enquirer away from Hillary’s buddy?

    That is the number one read paper in the US. People still respond to tabloid tactics. Hell watch any reality show and you’ll see that.


  184. 184 | November 7, 2012 2:05 pm

    New Thread.


  185. 185 | November 7, 2012 2:05 pm

    @ Mars:

    You are onto what I have been thinking. We need to start buying into the media.


  186. buzzsawmonkey
    186 | November 7, 2012 2:07 pm

    Runner wrote:

    I would love to be a part of putting together some posters with conservative messages but don’t really have any good ideas for messages. I have been thinking about starting one of those online stores where you can purchase tshirts, mugs, etc. with my graphics on them but never seem to find the time. I don’t even know how much something like that could be helpful or influential but it’s worth investigating, I guess.

    First thing: get some good, terse, one-sentence conservative messages. Think them up yourself; stripmine Milton Friedman or anyone else you can think of for good quotes.

    Second: make some good, clear graphics that underscore the message to go with the quote(s). Study some of the motivational posters from WWII, or the children’s posters that used to be in schools in the ’30s, ’40s and ’50s. These things were designed to communicate a clear message quickly and simply.

    Third: AVOID SARCASM OR IRONY. They only play to people already “in the choir.” If you have something to say, say it directly, not by trying to be snarky. Snark turns people off even if they agree with you, more often than not; it can reinforce the opposite message with people who don’t initially agree with you.

    Produce; distribute.


  187. Mars
    187 | November 7, 2012 2:08 pm

    Runner wrote:

    Runner wrote:
    I have been thinking about starting one of those online stores where you can purchase tshirts, mugs, etc. with my graphics on them but never seem to find the time
    I should also say that the goal wouldn’t be to make money but get a message out.

    That’s only possible for people with enough income to not have to worry about it.

    Hell, part of me almost wishes O hadn’t been lying about the student loan bailout. I could get a lot further without my student loans hanging over my head. (Or a 3000 dollar divorce attorney bill, or 4000 dollars to my ex wife for a debt I took responsibility for, or 17000 in old debts that a collection agency wants to file in court for.)

    (Yeah, if I do get a job I lose every penny of it. Student loans take half and collections get the other half. Then I’m still stuck without a way to pay my attorney or get my ex off my back.)


  188. Brick
    188 | November 7, 2012 2:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Brick:
    Low information voters did not vote for free stuff. They voted against Romney because he was portrayed as evil. We need a message that low information voters can understand.

    While I disagree with your low-fo-vo reasoning, I agree that future messaging must be tiny, succinct, bite-sized, deep fried, and sugar coated.


  189. buzzsawmonkey
    189 | November 7, 2012 2:08 pm

    Brick wrote:

    So, where would one start?

    See my #186 above.


  190. lobo91
    190 | November 7, 2012 2:12 pm

    Here’s an election result I didn’t hear anyone mention last night:

    Puerto Ricans opt for statehood in referendum

    A slim majority of Puerto Ricans sought to change their ties with the United States and become the 51st U.S. state in a non-binding referendum that would require final approval from Congress.

    The two-part referendum asked whether the island wanted to change its 114-year relationship with the United States. Nearly 54 percent, or 922,374 people, sought to change it, while 46 percent, or 786,749 people, favored the status quo. Ninety-six percent of 1,643 precincts were reporting as of early Wednesday.

    The second question asked voters to choose from three options, with statehood by far the favorite, garnering 61 percent. Sovereign free association, which would have allowed for more autonomy, received 33 percent, while independence got 5 percent.

    President Barack Obama earlier expressed support for the referendum and pledged to respect the will of the people in the event of a clear majority.

    It is unclear whether U.S. Congress will debate the referendum results or if Obama will consider the results to be a clear enough majority.


  191. ferb123
    191 | November 7, 2012 2:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Brick:
    Low information voters did not vote for free stuff. They voted against Romney because he was portrayed as evil. We need a message that low information voters can understand.

    how about “party for everybody” :mrgreen:


  192. song_and_dance_man
    192 | November 7, 2012 2:15 pm

    @ ferb123:
    Go back to the swamp Foster


  193. eaglesoars
    193 | November 7, 2012 2:20 pm

    Hi everyone. Busy morning. Had a Dr appt and overheard some waiting room conversation. Older black ladies. They’re just so ‘proud’. I’m thinking, yeah, wait 18 mos and try to figure out why you can’t get a Dr appt. You both have about 10 yrs max before your return-on-investment ratio heads south and you’ll be lucky to get even palliative care.

    I’m so pissed off, I can’t even bring myself to feel sorry for them. I just feel like “fuck you, you deserve every iota of what you’re going to be in for”


  194. 194 | November 7, 2012 2:23 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Wow, that’s historic. We maybe getting a 51st state!


  195. lobo91
    195 | November 7, 2012 2:23 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    But they’ll have a nice shiny card, probably with Obama’s picture on it in a hologram.


  196. Brick
    196 | November 7, 2012 2:28 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I’m so pissed off, I can’t even bring myself to feel sorry for them. I just feel like “fuck you, you deserve every iota of what you’re going to be in for”

    Yep. Charity begins and now it ends at home. Every solicitation I get from any national charity, I will henceforth return with “Obama’s pending tax-increases, and healthcare costs prevent me from contributing at this time.”


  197. Brick
    197 | November 7, 2012 2:29 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Wow, that’s historic. We maybe getting a 51st state!

    Where will they put the extra star on the flag?


  198. eaglesoars
    198 | November 7, 2012 2:30 pm

    Oh lookie here! FEMA has deserted Staten Island ahead of the bad weather.

    Just packed up a skedaddled.

    And a set of buses which served as a pair of warming centers at the site for the past several days were missing, according to non-FEMA volunteers who continued to hand out supplies from a nearby building despite the storm.

    Volunteers at a nearby donation distribution center said the buses vanished on Wednesday.

    “FEMA packed up and left,” said Louis Giraldi, 47, a volunteer handing out cleaning supplies to victims.

    “We don’t know where they are, so there’s nothing here but us.”


  199. eaglesoars
    199 | November 7, 2012 2:31 pm

    Brick wrote:

    “Obama’s pending tax-increases, and healthcare costs prevent me from contributing at this time.”

    Oooo, nice one!


  200. lobo91
    200 | November 7, 2012 2:31 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    The election’s over. No need for them to be out in the cold pretending to help now.

    Welcome to the new normal.


  201. Purre
    201 | November 7, 2012 2:34 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Yeah. Besides, those in trouble are probably just republicans anyway. Or if they are not, they are at the most mere bumps in the road.


  202. Runner
    202 | November 7, 2012 2:34 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Good advice. Especially about being ironic or snarky, which tends to be my nature. At least the snark part. I’m still trying to get a grasp on irony.

    I love WWII posters, WPA posters, and anything from the Machine Age. Hell, even the Soviet posters were gorgeous. If I could read the messages I might not think so but graphically speaking, they are beautiful.


  203. Canoe Convoy
    203 | November 7, 2012 2:36 pm

    So, this is what it must have been like during the beginning of Peronist Argentina. I love my nation, but now there is no escape from the financial Day Of Reckoning heading toward us at full throttle. We aren’t quite at “Hunger Games” levels yet, though.


  204. 204 | November 7, 2012 3:19 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    Like I said above, starve the media to death. Simply don’t buy their shit. Take your TV out into the back forty, and use it for target practice. As long as you keep buying their crap, they will keep feeding it to you, and use the profits to work against you. How hard can that be to figure out?
    You know who the enemies are. Stop giving them money, FFS.

    Watch Sun News on YouTube.

    Thanks to our fine neighbors to the north, Sun News is what Fox should have been.

    US cable companies are missing out on profits because they don’t carry it. They’d have something to offer conservatives if they did.


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