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Post Election Analysis: No Use In Sugar Coating A Disaster.

by Flyovercountry ( 404 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Elections 2012, Progressives, Socialism at November 7th, 2012 - 5:30 pm

We’ve all seen this before, and we all had a good laugh, but it’s not at all funny, it’s what our nation has become. Idiots who are proud to sell out their future opportunity to amount to anything, or to have any ability what so ever to support themselves, have sold their souls, and along with that price, our future, for cheap consumer products. The message last night delivered by the people who bothered themselves to vote was loud and clear. “Soak anyone more successful than we are, and use that confiscation of their property rights to give us more free crap!”

I am sickened beyond belief, and not just at the prospect of a second Obama term in office, a man by the way who has yet to do anything at all to show that he deserves the respect befitting a man who holds his office. I am sickened that I live in a nation where 59,971,178 of my fellow citizens feel that he was worthy of their vote, and that he actually performed the duties of his position well enough to deserve a second term. Beyond that though, there are a couple of lessons that we can take from the disaster, and any time a lesson is learned, even though it is often painful as it is in this instance, it will turn out to be a positive thing.

You will notice that Barack Obama’s vote total was actually 10,000,000 less this year than it was four years ago. The problem of course is that Mitt Romney’s vote total was also lower than the number of supporters that John McCain actually had show up for him. Mitt Romney received 2,000,000 fewer votes. Barack Obama’s entire campaign was based on demonizing Mitt Romney, and it appears to have worked. When push came to shove, the undecided independent voters saw the choice in last night’s election as voting for Mitt Romney or staying home. They chose to stay home, so score one for dishonest negative advertising. Remember that lesson in four years, when you hear all about civility in campaigning and how it will damage our brand to go negative. Leo Durocher was correct about how well nice guys do. In two elections the geniuses who run the Republican Party refused to take on Barack Obama, fearing some sort of backlash if they, “went negative.” The irony of course is that pointing out the negatives surrounding Barack Obama would have been entirely true. Mitt Romney was so clean, that all the negatives surrounding him had to be completely fabricated, top to bottom, and there was no real backlash. So, how did that refusal to take on Barack turn out? Hear we are, saddled with four more years of watching the single worst President in our nation’s history go about the task of attempting to destroy the greatest republic the world has known.

During the last two weeks of the campaign, Mitt Romney switched his message from one of conservatism to one of appealing to the more liberal voters in our nation. I am growing tired of being the base voter in a party that considers me to be an embarrassment, rather than an important constituency. Sometime during the coming weeks the Republican Party will hit me up for a donation, for the important elections coming in two years, or to help Republican Governors running some where else, or for lobbying efforts necessary to stop the damage about to be inflicted by a man that they refused to fully engage over the last four months. Since Barry Goldwater we have nominated Richard Nixon twice, Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan twice, George H.W. Bush twice, Robert Dole once, George W. Bush twice, John McCain once, and Mitt Romney once. There is only one man from the conservative wing of our party, also knows as the voting base, on that list. He won by two of the largest landslides in our nation’s history, so please stop telling me that we need candidates exclusively from the liberal wing of our party in order to win the independents necessary for electoral success. During an argument at Tea Party Nation in which I was defending one of my essays that was slightly critical of Mitt Romney, one of his supporters called me out for believing that we conservatives were at all important to the Republican Party. What was lost on this particular dolt is that we conservatives are the only ones voting for Republican candidates, and that without the pesky, knuckle dragging, sloped fore headed base, they would never win another election. The time has come to abandon the Republican party, unless of course they start making an actual attempt to represent our principles. I don’t see that as happening, so maybe a shake up is in order. The fact is, that conservatism, when articulated clearly, and consistently wins elections. It is when the message waivers or submits its candidates to purity tests of singular issues that our side meets with electoral failure.

There really are two America’s, and the problem is that they are geographically intertwined. One American wishes to live under the rule of law established by our founders, who saw the destructive potential of a democracy, and the lasting virtue of a republic. Protecting individual rights against the tyranny of a majority who would simply vote themselves authority to systematically rob the fruits of the labors of those who chose to be productive. The second American wishes to live in a society that would seek to cede all responsibility and consequence to a federal authority in exchange for having their basic needs provided for. The second America is no longer the land of the free and the home of the brave, but is instead the land of the kept and the home of the clueless. They seek nothing more than to have their freedoms traded one by one for a stream of relatively cheap consumer products and state run reeducation at one of the labor camps known as land grant colleges. Unfortunately, these two Americas live side by side, and have very little if any geographical division, which would be necessary for the divorce that I believe is now inevitable. Said divorce will be a messy affair, but there is no chance of a reconciliation that I can see as being possible.

Sure, we have the usual suspects in our government talking about working together to solve our problems, but what we do not have is any possible ideological bridge where our differences can be placed into anything that resembles common ground. One America believes in a government limited in scope and authority by the constraints set in place by the governed, the other America sees that as an outdated notion which should be swept away as a footnote to a by gone era. One America seeks to maintain individual property rights and the rights guaranteed by the First Ten Amendments as the corner stone of our society, and the Other America has already taken the steps necessary to eliminate those Constitutional guarantees, once considered the entire basis of our founding. The problem is that in even those states where the Marxists lost last night, the Marxists still managed to receive between 40 and 49% of the vote. In those places where the Marxists won, our side managed to garner between 40 and 49% of the vote. The two Americas live in the same space, constantly violating the very laws of nature. Separation of our two diametrically opposed existences will be a painful and messy process, but our differences are irreconcilable, to borrow a phrase from the many divorce lawyers whom I have unfortunately made the acquaintance of.

I am definitely growing tired of living with an ungrateful soon to be ex spouse. While I wish her well, I also wish her to be gone. I would rather go about my own existence, and will bristle with the concept of her supporting her own self.

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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404 Responses to “Post Election Analysis: No Use In Sugar Coating A Disaster.”
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  1. Speranza
    1 | November 7, 2012 5:45 pm

    My only wish being that those who voted for him get hurt the most in the coming disaster.


  2. 2 | November 7, 2012 5:51 pm

    @ Speranza:
    I agree.


  3. 3 | November 7, 2012 5:57 pm

    During the last two weeks of the campaign, Mitt Romney switched his message from one of conservatism to one of appealing to the more liberal voters in our nation.

    What was not Conservative about Romney’s message the last 2 weeks? We need to accept the fact most Americans don’t like Conservatism as it is currently marketed.


  4. 4 | November 7, 2012 5:58 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    My only wish being that those who voted for him get hurt the most in the coming disaster.

    The Republicans should do nothing on sequestration. Let the taxes rise and cuts happen. Let Americans enjoy what they voted for.


  5. coldwarrior
    5 | November 7, 2012 6:06 pm

    my district is now dark red and went overwhelmingly for romney, was darkest blue less than a generation ago, i convinced 3 people to switch from dem to conservative, me and my compatriots are planning for 2014 and 2016.

    and the ghost of murtha is finally put in the ground with critz’s loss!

    the fight continues. what have YOU done or what will YOU do?


  6. 6 | November 7, 2012 6:10 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    We need to accept the fact most Americans don’t like Conservatism as it is currently marketed.

    Honestly, I’m not so sure the average American voter would know liberalism from conservatism if it bit them on the ass (because it has it has). Obama’s a rock star, an ersatz messiah. The TV News/Entertainment establishment adores him, people are mesmerized and that’s why he’s won-twice. in 2008, the country kinda sucked so we elected Obama. by 2012, the country has descended into major, epic suckle and we… ..reelect Obama.

    It’s just stunning, historically stunning.


  7. coldwarrior
    7 | November 7, 2012 6:12 pm

    Voter turnout in Beaver County barely surpassed 70 percent Tuesday, but it was still higher than surrounding counties.

    According to the Beaver County elections office, there were 80,908 ballots cast, but there are 115,157 registered voters, leading to a turnout figure of 70.26 percent.

    Republican nominee Mitt Romney received 52.43 percent (42,118 votes) and President Barack Obama received 45.85 percent (36,833 votes) in the county.

    In Allegheny County, turnout was 67.02 percent, while in Lawrence County it was 63.72 percent. Statewide voter turnout figures were not yet available on the Pennsylvania Department of State website Wednesday.

    we in BC are motivated.


  8. John Difool
    8 | November 7, 2012 6:13 pm

    Give people a choice between a liberal Democrat & a liberal Republican and they’ll pick the real thing every time.

    This is what happens in Europe right now.


  9. 9 | November 7, 2012 6:13 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    I warned about this. I kept telling people Obama is not a normal politician. I said only attacking him personally we can beat him. I turned out to be right.

    I’ll email you later some of my thoughts on the election.


  10. eaglesoars
    10 | November 7, 2012 6:14 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    the fight continues. what have YOU done or what will YOU do?

    I dunno cw. Right now I’m discouraged. I’m at the point where I think if you’re voting Dem, you’re pretty much brain dead. A couple people downstairs were talking about how they had defriended some people today for voting for O or spiking the football.

    I dumped my last 2 liberal friends back in 2004 over Bush.


  11. 11 | November 7, 2012 6:14 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Give people a choice between a liberal Democrat & a liberal Republican and they’ll pick the real thing every time.
    This is what happens in Europe right now.

    A Santorum style Republican would have lost big. Face it, the electorate is changed and the GOP needs to change with it. Not even Reagan would have won with this electorate.


  12. 12 | November 7, 2012 6:16 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The Republicans should do nothing on sequestration. Let the taxes rise and cuts happen. Let Americans enjoy what they voted for.

    I agree. People must choose salvation, you can’t save them from themselves and when you try too much, you are resented. That, in a sentence, is why conservatives are not overly popular -- they’re resented.


  13. 13 | November 7, 2012 6:16 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Republicans are going to have to do major rethink. I’ll email you later what some of my ideas are since many here will not like them.


  14. John Difool
    14 | November 7, 2012 6:17 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    During the last two weeks of the campaign, Mitt Romney switched his message from one of conservatism to one of appealing to the more liberal voters in our nation.
    What was not Conservative about Romney’s message the last 2 weeks? We need to accept the fact most Americans don’t like Conservatism as it is currently marketed.

    Not true. Conservatism wins everytime. The real problem is the Democrats are allowed to run as moderates & the DLSM covers for them. Which is why the most Dems can’t come out & say what they really want to do & have to wait until after they’re elected. Obama for instance runs as a fiscally responsible moderate when the exact opposite is true.

    The enemy is the media & that is where the real fight needs to go.


  15. 15 | November 7, 2012 6:17 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Yup, people need to learn there are consequences to action.


  16. 16 | November 7, 2012 6:18 pm

    Anyone feeling any better?
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    Me neither!


  17. coldwarrior
    17 | November 7, 2012 6:18 pm

    @ Rodan:

    luntz said something very very insightful today. he can show that the electorate is conservative at heart, they want spending to stop and govt to get off their backs.

    but, the gop does a piss poor job of selling it. they dont sell it, they preach and lecture. the dont communicate.


  18. 18 | November 7, 2012 6:19 pm

    @ John Difool:

    I agree that the media is the enemy. But lest face it, Americans don’t like the image of what Conservatism is. They associate Conservatives with being a bunch of old grouches. We need to change that image.


  19. 19 | November 7, 2012 6:19 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    The real problem is the Democrats are allowed to run as moderates Communists

    Fixed that fer ya!


  20. eaglesoars
    20 | November 7, 2012 6:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I’ll email you later what some of my ideas are since many here will not like them.

    Looking forward to it. Please be patient waiting for a reply. I’m on sosme pain med and am a bit groggy.


  21. John Difool
    21 | November 7, 2012 6:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Give people a choice between a liberal Democrat & a liberal Republican and they’ll pick the real thing every time.
    This is what happens in Europe right now.

    A Santorum style Republican would have lost big. Face it, the electorate is changed and the GOP needs to change with it. Not even Reagan would have won with this electorate.

    If what you’re proposing is running more RINO’s to the point where you can’t even tell the difference between them & democrats what’s the use?


  22. 22 | November 7, 2012 6:21 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Republicans need to broaden the base. Attacking Young people has bitten us in the ass. We need to appeal to low info voters. We need catchy new slogans and ruthless attacks.


  23. Da_Beerfreak
    23 | November 7, 2012 6:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    My only wish being that those who voted for him get hurt the most in the coming disaster.

    The Republicans should do nothing on sequestration. Let the taxes rise and cuts happen. Let Americans enjoy what they voted for.

    That’s not going to happen, Boehner is already selling us down the river.
    Boehner opens door to ‘new revenue’ to curb debt
    New revenue always makes the debt and deficit worse; raising taxes will only make a very bad situation much worse. :evil:


  24. 24 | November 7, 2012 6:23 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Republicans need to run on Economic/Fiscal Conservatism and Socially Libertarian. Young people are not into Social Conservatism. It’s the truth. Its not popular around here for me to say this, but it’s the truth. We need to make social issues a 10th Amendment thing and focus on economic freedom. We also need to stop the Wilsonian spread Democracy foreign policy. We need a Nationalist economic interest only foreign policy.


  25. Brick
    25 | November 7, 2012 6:23 pm

    We’ll be trying a two pronged resistance. Passively by going Galt to whatever degree we can to starve the beast AND actively by patronizing businesses/services/professionals that share a similar mindset. Today at my gastro appt’ I asked who he voted for before I answered any of his questions. He was very uncomfortable answering and I explained why I asked. His response was he prefers red to blue. Allrighty then Doc! Let’s get started. :) It’s easy. Fortunately, political affiliation isn’t yet a protected class and the only convenient handle I can think of to help separated the good guys from everyone else.


  26. 26 | November 7, 2012 6:24 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    Good let them raise taxes them. Let the economy remain sluggish for the next 4 years. That will help our side politically.


  27. John Difool
    27 | November 7, 2012 6:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Republicans need to broaden the base. Attacking Young people has bitten us in the ass. We need to appeal to low info voters. We need catchy new slogans and ruthless attacks.

    I agree in with that on it’s face. I drive through VCU everyday & it’s kind of soul crushing watching these vibrant young happy people with their whole lives in front of them, full of promise & a bounce in their steps & realizing they don’t have a clue that there will be no jobs & not much of a future out there for them when they get their degrees.

    Also I noticed a lot of them have been wearing “I am the 47%” t-shirts.

    I think we took for granted how much damage that one statement really did even if for the most part Mitt was taken out of context.


  28. eaglesoars
    28 | November 7, 2012 6:26 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    they dont sell it, they preach and lecture. the dont communicate.

    Really? Who keeps lecturing that I’m racist? Who keeps leturing all of us that those of us better off financially are unfair/immoral? Who keeps telling me that if I don’t support late term abortion, I hate women?

    AND WHO THE FUCK WANTS TO TAKE MY GUNS??


  29. coldwarrior
    29 | November 7, 2012 6:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Republicans need to broaden the base. Attacking Young people has bitten us in the ass. We need to appeal to low info voters. We need catchy new slogans and ruthless attacks.

    preachy scolds and grumps dont sell the product.

    conservative is a brand and should be treated as such. even the staid stogy old companies like coke are slick in marketing but very very conservative in reality


  30. 30 | November 7, 2012 6:27 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Mitt not responding to attacks against him in July and August killed him.


  31. John Difool
    31 | November 7, 2012 6:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Republicans need to run on Economic/Fiscal Conservatism and Socially Libertarian. Young people are not into Social Conservatism. It’s the truth. Its not popular around here for me to say this, but it’s the truth. We need to make social issues a 10th Amendment thing and focus on economic freedom. We also need to stop the Wilsonian spread Democracy foreign policy. We need a Nationalist economic interest only foreign policy.

    I totally agree with that.


  32. Da_Beerfreak
    32 | November 7, 2012 6:28 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    What I would like to do is totally illegal, but I can enjoy thinking about it. :twisted:


  33. 33 | November 7, 2012 6:28 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Young people view the GOP as scolds, that’s why Obama cleaned our clocks with people under 35. This has to change.


  34. 34 | November 7, 2012 6:28 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Tariffs, labeling China a currency manipulator, (most especially in light of our very own massive currency manipulation called quantitative easing,) promising specialized social welfare programs of his very own in terms of public education for college kids, special tax credits to continue for approved behaviors regarding cap and trade laws, minimum wage indexed to inflation, just to name a few things.


  35. Brick
    35 | November 7, 2012 6:28 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ coldwarrior:
    Republicans need to broaden the base. Attacking Young people has bitten us in the ass. We need to appeal to low info voters. We need catchy new slogans and ruthless attacks.

    I agree in with that on it’s face. I drive through VCU everyday & it’s kind of soul crushing watching these vibrant young happy people with their whole lives in front of them, full of promise & a bounce in their steps & realizing they don’t have a clue that there will be no jobs & not much of a future out there for them when they get their degrees.
    Also I noticed a lot of them have been wearing “I am the 47%” t-shirts.
    I think we took for granted how much damage that one statement really did even if for the most part Mitt was taken out of context.

    How do you take the truth out of context?


  36. 36 | November 7, 2012 6:29 pm

    @ John Difool:

    SO what I am advocating is more a re-branding, not RINOism!


  37. coldwarrior
    37 | November 7, 2012 6:31 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    the left has their own game.

    we need to change our because what we are doing is not working.

    i dont care what the left does to get votes, i cant control that. i can have input on the right tho.


  38. John Difool
    38 | November 7, 2012 6:32 pm

    @ Brick:

    How do you take the truth out of context?

    What I meant by that was the Dems & the DLSM expanded the 47% to include the military drawing government checks & retirees drawing SS & Medicare.

    Mitt was not talking about those folks.


  39. 39 | November 7, 2012 6:32 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    they dont sell it, they preach and lecture. the dont communicate.
    Really? Who keeps lecturing that I’m racist? Who keeps leturing all of us that those of us better off financially are unfair/immoral? Who keeps telling me that if I don’t support late term abortion, I hate women?
    AND WHO THE FUCK WANTS TO TAKE MY GUNS??

    Exactly.


  40. 40 | November 7, 2012 6:32 pm

    @ Flyovercountry:

    Tarrifs is a Conservative idea. Standing up to China is Conservative. It’s standing up for national interest. In fact this was the original Conservative positions before the 90′s. Reagan supported tariffs.

    promising specialized social welfare programs of his very own in terms of public education for college kids, special tax credits to continue for approved behaviors regarding cap and trade laws, minimum wage indexed to inflation, just to name a few things.

    Unfortunately, Romney is a moderate on these issues. But guess what, that’s where the electorate is. This is not 1980′s America. This is 2012. We need to accept this reality.


  41. 41 | November 7, 2012 6:33 pm

    Be back later!


  42. John Difool
    42 | November 7, 2012 6:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    SO what I am advocating is more a re-branding, not RINOism!

    I got it in your #24, you better explained it there and I agree.


  43. eaglesoars
    43 | November 7, 2012 6:37 pm

    It’s starting tp spit sleet here -- andit’s C-C-C-COLD!!


  44. Speranza
    44 | November 7, 2012 6:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    What was not Conservative about Romney’s message the last 2 weeks? We need to accept the fact most Americans don’t like Conservatism as it is currently marketed.

    I agree. His message was fine and was the right one. The problem was with the country, not Mitt Romney.


  45. Brick
    45 | November 7, 2012 6:37 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ Brick:
    How do you take the truth out of context?
    What I meant by that was the Dems & the DLSM expanded the 47% to include the military drawing government checks & retirees drawing SS & Medicare.
    Mitt was not talking about those folks.

    We know that, but Mitt did a pretty piss poor job extending and revising his remarks when given the opportunity to do so during the third debate to everyone else. At this point, I don’t think a reboot of the “R” party is viable. Too many existing weak-asses looking to hold the reins, owing too many favors to too many other existing weak-asses.


  46. 46 | November 7, 2012 6:38 pm

    I say that Congress should give obama everything he asks for. Everything. Then let people deal with what they voted for.


  47. eaglesoars
    47 | November 7, 2012 6:38 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    i dont care what the left does to get votes, i cant control that. i can have input on the right tho.

    Fair enough.


  48. Brick
    48 | November 7, 2012 6:40 pm

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    I say that Congress should give obama everything he asks for. Everything. Then let people deal with what they voted for.

    What about the 1/2 that didn’t vote for him?


  49. Speranza
    49 | November 7, 2012 6:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The Republicans should do nothing on sequestration. Let the taxes rise and cuts happen. Let Americans enjoy what they voted for.

    Tough love indeed -- elections have consequences.


  50. Speranza
    50 | November 7, 2012 6:40 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    my district is now dark red and went overwhelmingly for romney, was darkest blue less than a generation ago, i convinced 3 people to switch from dem to conservative, me and my compatriots are planning for 2014 and 2016.
    and the ghost of murtha is finally put in the ground with critz’s loss!
    the fight continues. what have YOU done or what will YOU do?

    I really do not understand Pennsylvania and Ohio at all.


  51. 51 | November 7, 2012 6:41 pm

    @ Brick:
    They are going to have to suffer right along. I am tired of holding shit at bay. Let the libs see what the hell they elected!


  52. John Difool
    52 | November 7, 2012 6:42 pm

    Brick wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    @ Brick:
    How do you take the truth out of context?
    What I meant by that was the Dems & the DLSM expanded the 47% to include the military drawing government checks & retirees drawing SS & Medicare.
    Mitt was not talking about those folks.

    We know that, but Mitt did a pretty piss poor job extending and revising his remarks when given the opportunity to do so during the third debate to everyone else. At this point, I don’t think a reboot of the “R” party is viable. Too many existing weak-asses looking to hold the reins, owing too many favors to too many other existing weak-asses.

    He should have gotten out there & better explained it, especially when Obama used it against him in the debates, I think he dropped the ball.

    We may have to reconcile ourselves with the fact that from here on out we’re going to have to run a Ron Paul type conservative.

    We just can’t run Ron Paul.


  53. Speranza
    53 | November 7, 2012 6:42 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Honestly, I’m not so sure the average American voter would know liberalism from conservatism if it bit them on the ass (because it has it has). Obama’s a rock star, an ersatz messiah. The TV News/Entertainment establishment adores him, people are mesmerized and that’s why he’s won-twice. in 2008, the country kinda sucked so we elected Obama. by 2012, the country has descended into major, epic suckle and we… ..reelect Obama.

    It’s just stunning, historically stunning.

    The education, the media and the entertainment -- all on the same side.

    Seventy-one years ago Erich Fromm wrote a book called “Escape From Freedom” his premise being that most people are afraid of freedom and preferred to be told what to do therefore many find totalitarianism to be an attractive alterantive.


  54. Lily
    54 | November 7, 2012 6:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    During the last two weeks of the campaign, Mitt Romney switched his message from one of conservatism to one of appealing to the more liberal voters in our nation.

    What was not Conservative about Romney’s message the last 2 weeks? We need to accept the fact most Americans don’t like Conservatism as it is currently marketed.

    I couldn’t agree more! Why are we blaming Romney? He did a hell of job and grew into each and every week. The American people wanted HAIL OBAMA HAIL OBAMA HAIL OBAMA…over USA USA USA! No this election lost is not Romney’s fault go ahead and disagree with me. This was the American peoples fault. Romney fought hard. The media was against him, obama raged about how evil Romney was…and YES PEOPLE VOTED ON SKIN COLOR!


  55. Lily
    55 | November 7, 2012 6:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    My only wish being that those who voted for him get hurt the most in the coming disaster.

    The Republicans should do nothing on sequestration. Let the taxes rise and cuts happen. Let Americans enjoy what they voted for.

    Yes they believed OBAMA CARED FOR PEOPLE…what nonsense…he doesn’t give a damn about American People…watch what happens in the hardest hit areas from Sandy…already FEMA pulled out the day after the electiion says a whole lot to me.


  56. Speranza
    56 | November 7, 2012 6:46 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I couldn’t agree more! Why are we blaming Romney? He did a hell of job and grew into each and every week. The American people wanted HAIL OBAMA HAIL OBAMA HAIL OBAMA…over USA USA USA! No this election lost is not Romney’s fault go ahead and disagree with me. This was the American peoples fault. Romney fought hard. The media was against him, obama raged about how evil Romney was…and YES PEOPLE VOTED ON SKIN COLOR!

    I grew to admire Mitt Romney during the election.


  57. BBEV
    57 | November 7, 2012 6:49 pm

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    @ Brick:
    They are going to have to suffer right along. I am tired of holding shit at bay. Let the libs see what the hell they elected!

    I agree. You want it here you get it. Do not come to my house for protection when the shit hits the fan.


  58. Lily
    58 | November 7, 2012 6:49 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    We need to accept the fact most Americans don’t like Conservatism as it is currently marketed.

    Honestly, I’m not so sure the average American voter would know liberalism from conservatism if it bit them on the ass (because it has it has). Obama’s a rock star, an ersatz messiah. The TV News/Entertainment establishment adores him, people are mesmerized and that’s why he’s won-twice. in 2008, the country kinda sucked so we elected Obama. by 2012, the country has descended into major, epic suckle and we… ..reelect Obama.

    It’s just stunning, historically stunning.

    Excatly as Rodan said obama could kill a baby on TV and the media would say how well he did it. What in the hell is wrong with people???
    They would sell their soul for free slice of pizza or a second rate phone! That is what the hell is wrong with people..abortion is their alter and so is obama ….they worship a man who doesn’t care that 4 Americans were killed and he basically watched it happen a 7 hour seige and no help came while those in D.C. WATCHED!!!!!! The American people voted in a MURDERER.


  59. Speranza
    59 | November 7, 2012 6:50 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    He should have gotten out there & better explained it, especially when Obama used it against him in the debates, I think he dropped the ball.

    We may have to reconcile ourselves with the fact that from here on out we’re going to have to run a Ron Paul type conservative.

    We just can’t run Ron Paul.

    That 47% comment was a total made up controversy. Every thing he said was correct. He came across very well in the first debate -- established himself as a credible alternative to Obama -- yet the public still chose their Hugo Chavez.
    Explain this insanity -- Scott Brown the very definition of a moderate Republican -- the type that the media and the Democrats are all crying out for -- wins in 2010 because of his opposition to ObamaCare and gets defeated two years later by an out an out liar named Elizabeth Warren. Tell me we are not living in an Age of Unreason.


  60. Da_Beerfreak
    60 | November 7, 2012 6:50 pm

    In 2008 the electorate was fooled.
    In 2012 the electorate were fools.
    :evil:


  61. Lily
    61 | November 7, 2012 6:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    Give people a choice between a liberal Democrat & a liberal Republican and they’ll pick the real thing every time.
    This is what happens in Europe right now.

    A Santorum style Republican would have lost big. Face it, the electorate is changed and the GOP needs to change with it. Not even Reagan would have won with this electorate.

    BINGO! Blaming Romney on obama’s re-election is futile..Romney did his best…he wanted a United America…but apparently that’s not what the 1/2 the people want!!!!!


  62. huckfunn
    62 | November 7, 2012 6:52 pm

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    I say that Congress should give obama everything he asks for. Everything. Then let people deal with what they voted for.

    Yep. Energy prices will necessarily skyrocket. Obatomy is already talking about a carbon tax. The new CAFE mileage standards (54 mpg by 2025) will add thousands to the cost of a new car. Cash for clunkers obliterated a generation of affordable cars for lower income people. The E15 mandate for 15% ethanol in gasoline will commence in 2014. Let’s see what that does to food prices. As always, the people hurt the most by these dumbass regulations are the those at the bottom of the food chain. The inner city poor will never be able to escape the city as they’ll never be able to afford a car.


  63. John Difool
    63 | November 7, 2012 6:52 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    my district is now dark red and went overwhelmingly for romney, was darkest blue less than a generation ago, i convinced 3 people to switch from dem to conservative, me and my compatriots are planning for 2014 and 2016.
    and the ghost of murtha is finally put in the ground with critz’s loss!
    the fight continues. what have YOU done or what will YOU do?

    I really do not understand Pennsylvania and Ohio at all.

    Ohio has a lot of the auto industry & companies connected to it based there, that could have a lot to do with it, especially since a good deal of Obama’s attack on Romney was saying he would have let the auto industry fail. Might have had a big effect there although, that’s not really what he said.

    Makes no difference because the unions are going to start cashing out now they got Barry re-elected & the fat cats will start cutting deals behind closed doors with company bigwigs to screw the investors because that industry is going to fail anyway & very soon. Whats left is going overseas just like what we’re seeing now with Fiat owned Jeep.

    Philadelphia along with being the armpit of the east coast is in essence also the Chicago of the east coast. They have a political machine in place there that is every bit as nasty as the one in the windy city & pretty much cancels out the votes of the rest of the state now just like in Illinois.


  64. Speranza
    64 | November 7, 2012 6:53 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    A Santorum style Republican would have lost big. Face it, the electorate is changed and the GOP needs to change with it. Not even Reagan would have won with this electorate.

    Santorum’s snarling countenance (yes there is a double standard) would have given Obama at least a 40 state win.


  65. Lily
    65 | November 7, 2012 6:55 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Republicans are going to have to do major rethink. I’ll email you later what some of my ideas are since many here will not like them.

    Yeah I know what they are …but Rodan really making a deal with the devil to defeat the devil …is that the best way..Surely there is another way…yes bring the fight…but not with Alinsky. To me that’s dangerous. I do agree something needs to change…but surely there has to be a better way than making a deal with the devil. Something new, not old.


  66. eaglesoars
    66 | November 7, 2012 6:55 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    The inner city poor will never be able to escape the city as they’ll never be able to afford a car.

    I do believe Obama intends to take tax revenue genterated in the suburbs and give them to the cities.

    And it won’t be the Upper East Side, either.


  67. Lily
    67 | November 7, 2012 6:56 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Anyone feeling any better?
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    Me neither!

    No…..heavens no. Just unbelievable how ignorant so many people are.
    Hate won last night.


  68. song_and_dance_man
    68 | November 7, 2012 6:57 pm

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    @ Brick:
    They are going to have to suffer right along. I am tired of holding shit at bay. Let the libs see what the hell they elected!

    Good to see you again. Leave a comment for nt2U who passed Tuesday. Top right/

    That is what many of us hope for as we suffer another 4 years from this man. Us, on the other side, are for the most part better off. It’s the schlemiels that voted for this bastard who will suffer most.


  69. BBEV
    69 | November 7, 2012 6:57 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    He should have gotten out there & better explained it, especially when Obama used it against him in the debates, I think he dropped the ball.

    We may have to reconcile ourselves with the fact that from here on out we’re going to have to run a Ron Paul type conservative.

    We just can’t run Ron Paul.

    That 47% comment was a total made up controversy. Every thing he said was correct. He came across very well in the first debate — established himself as a credible alternative to Obama — yet the public still chose their Hugo Chavez.
    Explain this insanity — Scott Brown the very definition of a moderate Republican — the type that the media and the Democrats are all crying out for — wins in 2010 because of his opposition to ObamaCare and gets defeated two years later by an out an out liar named Elizabeth Warren. Tell me we are not living in an Age of Unreason.

    We are living in a time when everything is backwards. Forget what you think you know even when you think you have it things will “CHANGE” again. Be prepaired.


  70. Lily
    70 | November 7, 2012 6:57 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Rodan:

    luntz said something very very insightful today. he can show that the electorate is conservative at heart, they want spending to stop and govt to get off their backs.

    but, the gop does a piss poor job of selling it. they dont sell it, they preach and lecture. the dont communicate.

    How can they with media distorting whatever is said…good heavens Big Bird was an issue instead of the massive debt we have.


  71. huckfunn
    71 | November 7, 2012 6:58 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I do believe Obama intends to take tax revenue genterated in the suburbs and give them to the cities.

    And it won’t be the Upper East Side, either.

    I’ve seen that theory and I don’t doubt for a minute that would be on BO’s list of things to do. I just don’t know how he accomplishes it. Of course I couldn’t see how he could “accomplish” many of the things he did.


  72. Speranza
    72 | November 7, 2012 6:59 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    luntz said something very very insightful today. he can show that the electorate is conservative at heart, they want spending to stop and govt to get off their backs.
    but, the gop does a piss poor job of selling it. they dont sell it, they preach and lecture. the dont communicate.

    Yet they voted for Obama after his horrendous record the past four years -- there is some severe cognitive dissonance out there and not some “piss poor salesmanship”!


  73. Lily
    73 | November 7, 2012 6:59 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:

    I agree that the media is the enemy. But lest face it, Americans don’t like the image of what Conservatism is. They associate Conservatives with being a bunch of old grouches. We need to change that image.

    I don’t see that…what they see Republicans as is EVIL plain and simple this was what obama pushed and the media and the people believed it.


  74. Lily
    74 | November 7, 2012 7:00 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    The real problem is the Democrats are allowed to run as moderates Communists

    Fixed that fer ya!

    Yes the rot has finally sunk in hasn’t it..the cancer is left to grow…leftism is the problem.


  75. 75 | November 7, 2012 7:01 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    I say that Congress should give obama everything he asks for. Everything. Then let people deal with what they voted for.

    Yep. Energy prices will necessarily skyrocket. Obatomy is already talking about a carbon tax. The new CAFE mileage standards (54 mpg by 2025) will add thousands to the cost of a new car. Cash for clunkers obliterated a generation of affordable cars for lower income people. The E15 mandate for 15% ethanol in gasoline will commence in 2014. Let’s see what that does to food prices. As always, the people hurt the most by these dumbass regulations are the those at the bottom of the food chain. The inner city poor will never be able to escape the city as they’ll never be able to afford a car.

    Don’t forget obamacare. I cannot WAIT to hear the wailing of the younger generation when they are FORCED to buy a health insurance policy. It is going to be hilarious! Can’t afford that unlimited text plan now can ya??
    I really don’t care anymore. I have lived the American Dream. I am sick to f’ing death of being demonized for it.
    Reap the whirlwind libs!


  76. John Difool
    76 | November 7, 2012 7:01 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Explain this insanity — Scott Brown the very definition of a moderate Republican — the type that the media and the Democrats are all crying out for — wins in 2010 because of his opposition to ObamaCare and gets defeated two years later by an out an out liar named Elizabeth Warren. Tell me we are not living in an Age of Unreason.

    Yea, I’m still scratching my head on that one. My best guess is it’s true, the demographics & the electorate have truly changed & in a big way. We may have now entered the stage that running even a moderate like Brown only works in a swing type state & not a deep blue one.

    Romney couldn’t even carry his own home state he was governor of for four years, term ending five years ago, but to be fair Gore couldn’t carry his own home state of Tennessee in 2004.


  77. Lily
    77 | November 7, 2012 7:02 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    Republicans need to broaden the base. Attacking Young people has bitten us in the ass. We need to appeal to low info voters. We need catchy new slogans and ruthless attacks.

    How is that going to help up against someone like obama? But I agree you need to reach low-info voters…problem is those voters didn’t want to hear the truth about obama..at least election cycle.


  78. song_and_dance_man
    78 | November 7, 2012 7:02 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    In 2008 the electorate was fooled.
    In 2012 the electorate were fools.
    :evil:

    The electorate has changed. There is no return to where we were in the 50′s unless we stamp out what was wrought in the 60′s. Reagan made some gains, but Wet wasted the momentum of prosperity. Hussein heralded it with a momentous death knell. Hope and Change. And he’s blithely, or better yet, focused on bringing it.


  79. Lily
    79 | November 7, 2012 7:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:

    Republicans need to run on Economic/Fiscal Conservatism and Socially Libertarian. Young people are not into Social Conservatism. It’s the truth. Its not popular around here for me to say this, but it’s the truth. We need to make social issues a 10th Amendment thing and focus on economic freedom. We also need to stop the Wilsonian spread Democracy foreign policy. We need a Nationalist economic interest only foreign policy.

    But from what I read that is excatly why some people voted for obama was BECAUSE OF SOCIAL ISSUES …and because obama CARES!! How do you reach fools like this?


  80. Buffalobob
    80 | November 7, 2012 7:04 pm

    The republican turnout was dismal. All during the campaign I was told that we would overwhelm the Dem turnout. Did not happen. The paulie’s didn’t get their way so they left. Others didn’t get everything they wanted, a perfect candidate, so they left. The progs have been at this game a long time, they take wins a little at a time and keep coming back for more. You have to win at all levels. Remember the 60s slogan of the hippies, Vote local, think global


  81. Speranza
    81 | November 7, 2012 7:04 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Yea, I’m still scratching my head on that one. My best guess is it’s true, the demographics & the electorate have truly changed & in a big way. We may have now entered the stage that running even a moderate like Brown only works in a swing type state & not a deep blue one.

    Romney couldn’t even carry his own home state he was governor of for four years, term ending five years ago, but to be fair Gore couldn’t carry his own home state of Tennessee in 2004.

    Howie Carr in the Boston Herald wrote today that Scott Brown caught the Democratic machine by surprise in 2010. The fact that Elizabeth Warren lied about her “Indian heritage” and did not have a Massachusetts law license and thought that Western Massachusetts had a coast line would have made her a laughing stock in any other state (outside of Vermont perhaps).


  82. BBEV
    82 | November 7, 2012 7:09 pm

    @ Lily:
    you can’t


  83. Mars
    83 | November 7, 2012 7:10 pm

    We don’t need to go alinsky we can go old school patriot. Pamphlets flyers posters. Then go into modern times with films television and find ways to get OUR news into the top if all searches. Other avenues are legal graffiti and of course word of mouth.

    If we could get any of the big money republicans to do something we could buy one of the big three networks and a major newspaper or two. Plus the Enquirer is still the best selling paper in the country. Buy it from Hillary’s buddy. Use it to put every rumor and innuendo that you can’t air on the news. As long as its with their celebrity gossip and soap opera news the regular readers will eat it up. Hell the entire country would know all about fast and furious and benghazi if the Enquirer had done full info on them.


  84. Brick
    84 | November 7, 2012 7:10 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    typicalwhitey wrote:
    @ Brick:
    They are going to have to suffer right along. I am tired of holding shit at bay. Let the libs see what the hell they elected!

    Good to see you again. Leave a comment for nt2U who passed Tuesday. Top right/
    That is what many of us hope for as we suffer another 4 years from this man. Us, on the other side, are for the most part better off. It’s the schlemiels that voted for this bastard who will suffer most.

    Hey there, SADM! :)

    Man, I logged in this a.m. and her RIP thread was the first thing I saw. Then my monitor went on the fritz. It was like a one-two punch after last night. :(


  85. song_and_dance_man
    85 | November 7, 2012 7:10 pm

    Lily wrote:

    How do you reach fools like this?

    give them phones and free money


  86. huckfunn
    86 | November 7, 2012 7:11 pm

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    Don’t forget obamacare. I cannot WAIT to hear the wailing of the younger generation when they are FORCED to buy a health insurance policy. It is going to be hilarious! Can’t afford that unlimited text plan now can ya??

    Exactly. And how many of those yoots will lose their jobs as a result of companies trimming their employee rosters to fit under the madates? Mom and Dad are gonna get pretty tired of those 40 year old “children” living in the basement.


  87. Lily
    87 | November 7, 2012 7:11 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:

    Mitt not responding to attacks against him in July and August killed him.

    From what I could tell NOTHING Mitt could have done would have helped. People sold their souls for free pizza and second-rate phones and believed the crap on the MSM. Not to mention they actually believe obama CARES about Americans. For instance how in the hell did states with the most coal plants fixing to be shut down GO BLUE??? There are going to be massive un-employment from the shut-downs high prices for electricty and yet they still voted for obama??? And one person said, “Although I’m unemployed I think the United States is racist so I voted for obama.” This election is un-explainable as for the ignorance of masses who voted obama…I don’t know how you reach those types of people …you can’t!!!


  88. Lily
    88 | November 7, 2012 7:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Young people view the GOP as scolds, that’s why Obama cleaned our clocks with people under 35. This has to change.

    Not where I live…but I suppose I live in a bubble as Calo says because young people down here don’t believe in obama and his horrific love of death.


  89. buzzsawmonkey
    89 | November 7, 2012 7:13 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Ohio has a lot of the auto industry & companies connected to it based there, that could have a lot to do with it, especially since a good deal of Obama’s attack on Romney was saying he would have let the auto industry fail. Might have had a big effect there although, that’s not really what he said.

    Romney and his campaign were stuck in what is called a “knowledge trap,” where they did not understand what the electorate did not know.

    Romney understands bankruptcy, and knows that “letting the auto industry fail,” i.e., go through a traditional bankruptcy that has not been jiggered to become a union payoff, would have enabled the industry to re-emerge strong and sound, if leaner. He knew that “bankruptcy” does not mean “permanent closure”—but he didn’t know that a majority of the population doesn’t know that, and that to them “letting the auto industry go bankrupt” means “letting it disappear.”

    Romney was like my father, who worked in theoretical physics and, when he was trying to help me with first-year highschool algebra, could not understand how I could possibly not “get it.” The math that was so bewildering to me was so simple to him that he could not muster the patience to explain it, and could only get mad at me for my slowness. Romney did not realize that he had to explain bankruptcy to the America people, because bankruptcy was so commonplace and familiar to him that he couldn’t begin to explain it and did not understand the need to.


  90. John Difool
    90 | November 7, 2012 7:14 pm

    Buffalobob wrote:

    The republican turnout was dismal. All during the campaign I was told that we would overwhelm the Dem turnout. Did not happen. The paulie’s didn’t get their way so they left. Others didn’t get everything they wanted, a perfect candidate, so they left. The progs have been at this game a long time, they take wins a little at a time and keep coming back for more. You have to win at all levels. Remember the 60s slogan of the hippies, Vote local, think global

    I’m sick to death of Ron Paul. Guy really doesn’t care about this country and it’s all about him and getting elected president which will never happen.

    You would think it would be like exposing him to sunlight or holy water for him to actually come out and endorse a fellow Republican and ask his followers to support them, unless of course that Republican was his own son.

    Don’t get me wrong, I like his domestic ideas & half of his foreign policy ideas, but the guy is not a team player and totally selfish.


  91. 91 | November 7, 2012 7:15 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    We need to accept the fact most Americans don’t like Conservatism as it is currently marketed.
    Honestly, I’m not so sure the average American voter would know liberalism from conservatism if it bit them on the ass (because it has it has). Obama’s a rock star, an ersatz messiah. The TV News/Entertainment establishment adores him, people are mesmerized and that’s why he’s won-twice. in 2008, the country kinda sucked so we elected Obama. by 2012, the country has descended into major, epic suckle and we… ..reelect Obama.
    It’s just stunning, historically stunning.

    You have it right, in a nutshell.

    The entertainment generation voted him in, everything and everyone else is booooring.


  92. Lily
    92 | November 7, 2012 7:15 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    What was not Conservative about Romney’s message the last 2 weeks? We need to accept the fact most Americans don’t like Conservatism as it is currently marketed.

    I agree. His message was fine and was the right one. The problem was with the country, not Mitt Romney.

    Indeed how do you fix crazy?????


  93. huckfunn
    93 | November 7, 2012 7:16 pm

    @ Speranza:
    I can only believe that Massa2shits has the dumbest electorate in the nation. 50 years of Kennedy. 40 years of Kerry. Now Warren? They deserve what they get.


  94. song_and_dance_man
    94 | November 7, 2012 7:16 pm

    @ Brick:
    Howdy

    It was a sudden blow. Even in her illness she was posting here not many days ago. That tells me something about the fortitude of those determined to not let the human condition get in the way of defining truth to the end.


  95. Lily
    95 | November 7, 2012 7:17 pm

    Brick wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    @ Brick:
    How do you take the truth out of context?
    What I meant by that was the Dems & the DLSM expanded the 47% to include the military drawing government checks & retirees drawing SS & Medicare.
    Mitt was not talking about those folks.

    We know that, but Mitt did a pretty piss poor job extending and revising his remarks when given the opportunity to do so during the third debate to everyone else. At this point, I don’t think a reboot of the “R” party is viable. Too many existing weak-asses looking to hold the reins, owing too many favors to too many other existing weak-asses.

    It would have made no difference…don’t you see that???? For one people actually bought into the fact Republicans would bring back slavery…how do you fight that kind of stupid…


  96. Mars
    96 | November 7, 2012 7:18 pm

    Go look at the percentages on the election from Wyoming. The rest of the country including montana have forgotten who they are.
    And Wyoming is both social and fiscal conservative and it works.

    Selling out your standards will do nothing but change you into your opponent.

    Fight hard and even dirty if you must but don’t change the roots of who you are or you’re done.


  97. eaglesoars
    97 | November 7, 2012 7:18 pm

    Mars wrote:

    If we could get any of the big money republicans to do something we could buy one of the big three networks and a major newspaper or two.

    Well, there’s Murdoch -- WSJ and Fox -- yeah, he’s Ausssie, but still……..


  98. 98 | November 7, 2012 7:18 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    In 2008 the electorate was fooled.
    In 2012 the electorate were fools.

    Fool them once, Shame on Обама.
    Fool them twice, Shame on those who voted for Обама.


  99. Lily
    99 | November 7, 2012 7:19 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Brick wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    @ Brick:
    How do you take the truth out of context?
    What I meant by that was the Dems & the DLSM expanded the 47% to include the military drawing government checks & retirees drawing SS & Medicare.
    Mitt was not talking about those folks.

    We know that, but Mitt did a pretty piss poor job extending and revising his remarks when given the opportunity to do so during the third debate to everyone else. At this point, I don’t think a reboot of the “R” party is viable. Too many existing weak-asses looking to hold the reins, owing too many favors to too many other existing weak-asses.

    He should have gotten out there & better explained it, especially when Obama used it against him in the debates, I think he dropped the ball.

    We may have to reconcile ourselves with the fact that from here on out we’re going to have to run a Ron Paul type conservative.

    We just can’t run Ron Paul.

    It WOULDN’T HAVE MATTERED. They believe every damn single lie. War on Women, America is racist, Global Warming…class warfare..come on this is not Romney’s fault! This is the 1/2 of the United States fault. Period.


  100. BBEV
    100 | November 7, 2012 7:19 pm

    @ Lily:
    As I said before you can not. We have to let America fall to the bottom before we can bring it back.


  101. 101 | November 7, 2012 7:19 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Not to mention they got another Kennedy to succeed Барни Франк!


  102. eaglesoars
    102 | November 7, 2012 7:20 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    I can only believe that Massa2shits has the dumbest electorate in the nation.

    California is giving them a run for that money. They just voted for a tax hike.


  103. 103 | November 7, 2012 7:20 pm

    What happened i think was that conservatives got hooked on Ron Paul, Gary Johnson and a few other fringes and decided if they couldn’t vote for them they weren’t going to vote, period.

    That’s why the voter turnout was lower this election, every non-vote was a vote FOR Obama.

    Electoral College is NOT set up for coalition governments with multiple parties. It’s majority winner in state take-all.


  104. Lily
    104 | November 7, 2012 7:20 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    I couldn’t agree more! Why are we blaming Romney? He did a hell of job and grew into each and every week. The American people wanted HAIL OBAMA HAIL OBAMA HAIL OBAMA…over USA USA USA! No this election lost is not Romney’s fault go ahead and disagree with me. This was the American peoples fault. Romney fought hard. The media was against him, obama raged about how evil Romney was…and YES PEOPLE VOTED ON SKIN COLOR!

    I grew to admire Mitt Romney during the election.

    So did I.


  105. buzzsawmonkey
    105 | November 7, 2012 7:21 pm

    Gays voted their dicks.
    Women voted their vaginas.
    Blacks voted their skin color.
    Jews voted their legacy fears of their grandparents’ persecution in the Old Country.
    Academics and Marxists (but I repeat myself) voted their hatred of the US.
    The welfare crowd voted for free stuff.
    And a bunch of other people voted with the above so they could do what their friends did.


  106. Brick
    106 | November 7, 2012 7:24 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Gays voted their dicks.
    Women voted their vaginas.
    Blacks voted their skin color.
    Jews voted their legacy fears of their grandparents’ persecution in the Old Country.
    Academics and Marxists (but I repeat myself) voted their hatred of the US.
    The welfare crowd voted for free stuff.
    And a bunch of other people voted with the above so they could do what their friends did.

    And may they all reap the fruits of what they helped sow.


  107. gulfloafer
    107 | November 7, 2012 7:24 pm

    The moonbats drank our milkshake. Drainage! The swamp minions are prolly carving a giant stone Easter Island CJ head out in the Mojave right about now.


  108. Da_Beerfreak
    108 | November 7, 2012 7:25 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:
    I see no way of avoiding a complete collapse now. That will be the ‘reset’ of this Country that the Fools in DC Town will not be able to control . :evil:


  109. 109 | November 7, 2012 7:25 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @ Brick:

    Not only did teh gheys vote with their dicks, they also voted with their mouths and assholes too!


  110. Dolphin
    110 | November 7, 2012 7:26 pm

    @ Lily:
    And add to that children are indoctrinated from pre-school to whenever the decide to quit (or graduate) college.

    I think we need to take back education and the media and it will do a lot, just don’t have any idea how to accomplish this. Those that agree with this are too busy working jobs trying to make ends meet and don’t have the time to home school or counter the media BS that is being fed to those 30 and under. Not only that they don’t want to know the truth -- it would make them accountable for their actions and the entitlement attitude they have. They are weak and stupid and want to stay that way because it is easier than the alternative.


  111. Lily
    111 | November 7, 2012 7:26 pm

    @ John Difool:

    This isn’t Romney’s fault…plain and simple it’s the people’s fault.
    Plain and simple.


  112. 112 | November 7, 2012 7:26 pm

    @ Rodan:
    INFILTRATION!


  113. John Difool
    113 | November 7, 2012 7:26 pm

    @ Lily:

    For instance how in the hell did states with the most coal plants fixing to be shut down GO BLUE???

    How? Very simple most people in Philly don’t give a rats ass about what puts food on the table for a good part of the rest of the state and their votes now pretty much cancel out all of the rest of Pa. As far as here in Virginia,the wealthy government workers & contractors in NOVA don’t give a damn about what’s happening in the mountains a short drive down 66 & the Obama administration has created enough government jobs & associated connected industries to swing the electorate blue for quite some time I’m afraid, possibly for good.


  114. Mars
    114 | November 7, 2012 7:27 pm

    Wsj and fox really aren’t in the running. Wsj maybe but the libs have vilified fox pretty effectively. We need a big three network new York times and the Enquirer.

    They’ll have a harder time destroying a reputation theythemselves built. And the Enquirer has no reputation but us read by almost everyone.


  115. buzzsawmonkey
    115 | November 7, 2012 7:27 pm

    The interesting thing is that it’s all right for gays to vote their dicks, for women to vote their vaginas, for blacks to vote their skin color, etc.—but God forbid you should be so crass and downright evil as to “vote your pocketbook.”


  116. BBEV
    116 | November 7, 2012 7:27 pm

    Well I guess I am not here so I will not be back. Have fun all see you at the bottom.


  117. waldensianspirit
    117 | November 7, 2012 7:27 pm

    We should scold instead of coddle them. When they have no future scold them for voting for no future. They need to feel pain before they’ll quit voting for nonsense and have ears that can hear.

    If people work against their better good out of hatred for others, fuck em. Aggregate with like minded people and play hard ball in business and dealings with all who drank the coolaid. Don’t waste resources on them. Obama has already bought them. Let reality be real.


  118. 118 | November 7, 2012 7:28 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    Don’t forget obamacare. I cannot WAIT to hear the wailing of the younger generation when they are FORCED to buy a health insurance policy. It is going to be hilarious! Can’t afford that unlimited text plan now can ya??

    Exactly. And how many of those yoots will lose their jobs as a result of companies trimming their employee rosters to fit under the madates? Mom and Dad are gonna get pretty tired of those 40 year old “children” living in the basement.

    Oh they won’t lose them. 30 hours is considered full time. I am seeing companies that are cutting back to 29 hours per week. Good luck buying a house on that pittance!
    I really don’t care anymore. I put everything I had into this election. If those dumbasses want socialized medicine..go for it. I can afford to buy the best just like they do in other socialized countries. I left it all on the line for my kids and grandkids.
    Now I am just researching how to preserve it and if I have to go offshore, I will.


  119. Speranza
    119 | November 7, 2012 7:29 pm

    Lily wrote:

    This isn’t Romney’s fault…plain and simple it’s the people’s fault.
    Plain and simple.

    Quite concur!


  120. 120 | November 7, 2012 7:29 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Decades of children indoctrinatated via the public school system created the people that dominate the MSM. It’s the communist way. Now all they have to do is wait for the old guard to die off, and the leftists are already saying so openly.


  121. Mars
    121 | November 7, 2012 7:29 pm

    What I don’t get is why trump or Forbes haven’t already done this. Superpacs aren’t doing us much good and that’s where their money goes. I think it’s time they walk the walk. Find a new way


  122. heysoos
    122 | November 7, 2012 7:29 pm

    wake me up when we lead the world in industrial hemp production…when we rule the designer nuclear reactor market…when we can desalinate for cents on the gallon…this brain numbing,destructive govt, who’s prime directive is re-election and the pretense of wealth and power is killing our spirit…the people need to somehow free themselves from the iron grip of govt….govt doesn’t solve problems, it creates them


  123. John Difool
    123 | November 7, 2012 7:29 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    This isn’t Romney’s fault…plain and simple it’s the people’s fault.
    Plain and simple.

    Nobody is blaming Romney. We’re just Monday morning arm-chair quarterbacking what just happened.


  124. Lily
    124 | November 7, 2012 7:29 pm

    BBEV wrote:

    @ Lily:
    you can’t

    Excatly…this wasn’t McCain..Romney put up a fight. Wanted a United America, strong military and 1/2 of Americans went with the fool who thinks destroying our military is good. These people are nutz!


  125. Lily
    125 | November 7, 2012 7:30 pm

    Mars wrote:

    We don’t need to go alinsky we can go old school patriot. Pamphlets flyers posters. Then go into modern times with films television and find ways to get OUR news into the top if all searches. Other avenues are legal graffiti and of course word of mouth.

    If we could get any of the big money republicans to do something we could buy one of the big three networks and a major newspaper or two. Plus the Enquirer is still the best selling paper in the country. Buy it from Hillary’s buddy. Use it to put every rumor and innuendo that you can’t air on the news. As long as its with their celebrity gossip and soap opera news the regular readers will eat it up. Hell the entire country would know all about fast and furious and benghazi if the Enquirer had done full info on them.

    Excatly you don’t fight evil with evil…you bring the truth!


  126. 126 | November 7, 2012 7:31 pm

    BBEV wrote:

    Well I guess I am not here so I will not be back. Have fun all see you at the bottom.

    What?


  127. Lily
    127 | November 7, 2012 7:32 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    How do you reach fools like this?

    give them phones and free money

    Or just the promise of it..those second-rate phones were enough for those fools to sell their souls.. truly a darkness has fallen over our country…


  128. buzzsawmonkey
    128 | November 7, 2012 7:32 pm

    Lily wrote:

    the fool who thinks destroying our military is good.

    Listening to people who talk about “defunding the military,” it is clear that their heads are stuck somewhere around 1970, when entitlements were relatively low and we were spending a lot on Vietnam. They don’t realize how big entitlements have grown, nor how small, relatively speaking, military spending is.


  129. gulfloafer
    129 | November 7, 2012 7:32 pm

    @ Brick:
    You forgot the Catholics. I’m sorry I just don’t get it. Oh well, my donations to them are about to decrease dramatically.


  130. Da_Beerfreak
    130 | November 7, 2012 7:33 pm

    Buffalobob wrote:

    The republican turnout was dismal. All during the campaign I was told that we would overwhelm the Dem turnout. Did not happen. The paulie’s didn’t get their way so they left. Others didn’t get everything they wanted, a perfect candidate, so they left. The progs have been at this game a long time, they take wins a little at a time and keep coming back for more. You have to win at all levels. Remember the 60s slogan of the hippies, Vote local, think global

    Got some numbers to back that claim up?? Or is it just a bunch of Sour Grapes?? :evil:


  131. Lily
    131 | November 7, 2012 7:33 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    the fool who thinks destroying our military is good.

    Listening to people who talk about “defunding the military,” it is clear that their heads are stuck somewhere around 1970, when entitlements were relatively low and we were spending a lot on Vietnam. They don’t realize how big entitlements have grown, nor how small, relatively speaking, military spending is.

    It is like these people actually believed we were still in the 60′s with all the revived 60′s mantra…unbelievable.


  132. Brick
    132 | November 7, 2012 7:34 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Brick wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    @ Brick:
    How do you take the truth out of context?
    What I meant by that was the Dems & the DLSM expanded the 47% to include the military drawing government checks & retirees drawing SS & Medicare.
    Mitt was not talking about those folks.
    We know that, but Mitt did a pretty piss poor job extending and revising his remarks when given the opportunity to do so during the third debate to everyone else. At this point, I don’t think a reboot of the “R” party is viable. Too many existing weak-asses looking to hold the reins, owing too many favors to too many other existing weak-asses.

    It would have made no difference…don’t you see that???? For one people actually bought into the fact Republicans would bring back slavery…how do you fight that kind of stupid…

    I’m past analyzing possible connection failures of Mitt’s campaign. I’m looking forward to some kind of conservative reconstruction that doesn’t involve a fresh coat of paint on an outdated republican shell. I’m looking for a completely fresh custom build. That way we can be completely self-defining and not be saddled with any kind of pre-existing party baggage.


  133. huckfunn
    133 | November 7, 2012 7:34 pm

    Before the election, I sent a donation to a New Jersey food bank for the the Hurricane Sandy relief effort. However after last night when I look at the “blue” northeastern states, my compassion is all used up. I wonder if the nor’easter blowing in will turn ‘em a little bluer. :twisted:


  134. Lily
    134 | November 7, 2012 7:35 pm

    gulfloafer wrote:

    @ Brick:
    You forgot the Catholics. I’m sorry I just don’t get it. Oh well, my donations to them are about to decrease dramatically.

    Catholic’s turned out in record numbers were I lived in the South…no you can’t blame this on the Catholic’s.


  135. Brick
    135 | November 7, 2012 7:36 pm

    BBEV wrote:

    Well I guess I am not here so I will not be back. Have fun all see you at the bottom.

    Huh?


  136. coldwarrior
    136 | November 7, 2012 7:36 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Yet they voted for Obama after his horrendous record the past four years — there is some severe cognitive dissonance out there and not some “piss poor salesmanship”!

    you can have the greatest product in the land, if you dont market it right, you wont sell.

    see, we won at the local level and expanded our lead in the house and in local state govts but this local popularity did not translate into a national victory. why is that? marketing. the local guy is known and very clear, he marketed himself well to his buyers; his buyers trust him and his product. the national product failed to do that for numerous reasons and lost.


  137. waldensianspirit
    137 | November 7, 2012 7:37 pm

    The blame is on Obama using tax payer dollars both present and future to buy votes for 4 years


  138. 138 | November 7, 2012 7:38 pm

    @ Lily:
    “Let’s become just like them.” Nah, I’ll pass.


  139. heysoos
    139 | November 7, 2012 7:38 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Before the election, I sent a donation to a New Jersey food bank for the the Hurricane Sandy relief effort. However after last night when I look at the “blue” northeastern states, my compassion is all used up. I wonder if the nor’easter blowing in will turn ‘em a little bluer.

    c,mon man, rise above it…when people are in dire straights you reach out, no question…compassion should be universal


  140. waldensianspirit
    140 | November 7, 2012 7:40 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    When the other side isn’t playing by the rules all that branding doesn’t mean squat. The Chicago above-the-law style won


  141. Lily
    141 | November 7, 2012 7:40 pm

    BBEV wrote:

    @ Lily:
    As I said before you can not. We have to let America fall to the bottom before we can bring it back.

    Tragically you are correct.


  142. Brick
    142 | November 7, 2012 7:40 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:
    Before the election, I sent a donation to a New Jersey food bank for the the Hurricane Sandy relief effort. However after last night when I look at the “blue” northeastern states, my compassion is all used up. I wonder if the nor’easter blowing in will turn ‘em a little bluer.

    c,mon man, rise above it…when people are in dire straights you reach out, no question…compassion should be universal

    Negative. One should never be compassionate towards evil.


  143. 143 | November 7, 2012 7:41 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    yeah I too am done with any charity stuff in a blue state. Go get your obama money losers.


  144. Lily
    144 | November 7, 2012 7:42 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Gays voted their dicks.
    Women voted their vaginas.
    Blacks voted their skin color.
    Jews voted their legacy fears of their grandparents’ persecution in the Old Country.
    Academics and Marxists (but I repeat myself) voted their hatred of the US.
    The welfare crowd voted for free stuff.
    And a bunch of other people voted with the above so they could do what their friends did.

    Just about all social issues….but hey the Republicans are stuck on social issues. Pure insanity.


  145. 145 | November 7, 2012 7:42 pm

    @ heysoos:
    Yeah…uh NO. They just voted to rob me of more of my hard earned money. Sucks to be them.


  146. John Difool
    146 | November 7, 2012 7:43 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    You are right about the marketing aspect. Explained properly, small government & personal liberty always wins the day. Here in Va. an amendment was put on the ballot to limit imminent domain to only include projects that would benefit a municipality or the general public at large, highway, water/sewage treatment plants ie no big box retail stores or stuff like that.

    It was very well explained & put forth in layman’s terms & the people voted for it overwhelmingly.


  147. heysoos
    147 | November 7, 2012 7:43 pm

    Brick wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    huckfunn wrote:
    Before the election, I sent a donation to a New Jersey food bank for the the Hurricane Sandy relief effort. However after last night when I look at the “blue” northeastern states, my compassion is all used up. I wonder if the nor’easter blowing in will turn ‘em a little bluer.
    c,mon man, rise above it…when people are in dire straights you reach out, no question…compassion should be universal

    Negative. One should never be compassionate towards evil.

    stupidity or whatever excuse is not evil…but refusing your brothers aid and comfort because of how they vote is


  148. Dolphin
    148 | November 7, 2012 7:43 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Me too. Sorry anyone that is dumpster diving after 3 days and is complaining about no electricity (while tuning away non-union linemen) I have no sympathy for. Yeah, living in Texas I have learned to prepare for the worse and it really only has happened once in the past 20+ years of living here. It is not cheap, but after Ike, we worked together as friends and neighbors and got it done without FEMA or minimal government help.


  149. gulfloafer
    149 | November 7, 2012 7:44 pm

    @ Lily:
    Really? The majority voted for big gubmint over their own values.


  150. huckfunn
    150 | November 7, 2012 7:44 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    c,mon man, rise above it…when people are in dire straights you reach out, no question…compassion should be universal

    I universally bequeath all of my compassion to you, to use as you see fit. I’m done with those who are too stupid to understand the the nature and cost of the freedoms that they have surrendered to Comrade Obama.


  151. buzzsawmonkey
    151 | November 7, 2012 7:44 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Before the election, I sent a donation to a New Jersey food bank for the the Hurricane Sandy relief effort. However after last night when I look at the “blue” northeastern states, my compassion is all used up. I wonder if the nor’easter blowing in will turn ‘em a little bluer.

    The people out on Staten Island who lost everything and are currently shivering while they wonder where the hell FEMA went to and why Bloomberg hasn’t sent over a generator or two are mostly conservative; Staten Island is the most conservative borough of NYC.


  152. Lily
    152 | November 7, 2012 7:44 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ Lily:
    And add to that children are indoctrinated from pre-school to whenever the decide to quit (or graduate) college.

    I think we need to take back education and the media and it will do a lot, just don’t have any idea how to accomplish this. Those that agree with this are too busy working jobs trying to make ends meet and don’t have the time to home school or counter the media BS that is being fed to those 30 and under. Not only that they don’t want to know the truth — it would make them accountable for their actions and the entitlement attitude they have. They are weak and stupid and want to stay that way because it is easier than the alternative.

    Actually you can counter-act it …it begins with the family…and yes I was able to counter-act the negativity with my sons and make sure they saw the lies…


  153. Da_Beerfreak
    153 | November 7, 2012 7:44 pm

    BBEV wrote:

    @ Lily:
    As I said before you can not. We have to let America fall to the bottom before we can bring it back.

    I agree with you. Add the fact that the sooner we hit the bottom the sooner we can start climbing out of the hole.


  154. John Difool
    154 | November 7, 2012 7:46 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:
    Before the election, I sent a donation to a New Jersey food bank for the the Hurricane Sandy relief effort. However after last night when I look at the “blue” northeastern states, my compassion is all used up. I wonder if the nor’easter blowing in will turn ‘em a little bluer.

    c,mon man, rise above it…when people are in dire straights you reach out, no question…compassion should be universal

    Nope. They voted to keep reaching into my pockets & forcibly taking from me so they can go get their help from Uncle Sugar from here on out.

    My compassion for half of this country has all but dried up now.


  155. Lily
    155 | November 7, 2012 7:46 pm

    BBEV wrote:

    Well I guess I am not here so I will not be back. Have fun all see you at the bottom.

    Yes you are here…where are you going????? Please don’t go!


  156. Brick
    156 | November 7, 2012 7:47 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    stupidity or whatever excuse is not evil…but refusing your brothers aid and comfort because of how they vote is

    LOL! I’d never refuse aid for any of my brothers or sisters. Oh, and what makes them my brothers and sisters is precisely that they didn’t vote for Zero -- so it’s all groovy. :)


  157. eaglesoars
    157 | November 7, 2012 7:47 pm

    Mars wrote:

    What I don’t get is why trump or Forbes haven’t already done this. Superpacs aren’t doing us much good and that’s where their money goes. I think it’s time they walk the walk. Find a new way

    Forbes publishes its own mag. Trump doesn’t have much cred in true conservative circles (alth’ I get a kick out of him!)

    Try Koch brothers.


  158. Guggi
    158 | November 7, 2012 7:47 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Mitt not responding to attacks against him in July and August killed him.

    Yes this was a very stupid decision and gave the Demorats all the time they needed to demonize and libel him.


  159. John Difool
    159 | November 7, 2012 7:47 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:
    Before the election, I sent a donation to a New Jersey food bank for the the Hurricane Sandy relief effort. However after last night when I look at the “blue” northeastern states, my compassion is all used up. I wonder if the nor’easter blowing in will turn ‘em a little bluer.
    The people out on Staten Island who lost everything and are currently shivering while they wonder where the hell FEMA went to and why Bloomberg hasn’t sent over a generator or two are mostly conservative; Staten Island is the most conservative borough of NYC.

    Isn’t Choomberg supposed to be a Republican or did he switch parties and I missed it somehow?


  160. buzzsawmonkey
    160 | November 7, 2012 7:47 pm

    In point of fact, one of the reasons FEMA is nowhere to be seen on Staten Island now that Obama’s safely re-elected is that Staten Island is not only the most conservative, but the whitest borough of NYC.

    In other words, they are the victims of President Revenge.


  161. Dolphin
    161 | November 7, 2012 7:48 pm

    @ heysoos:
    BS. Charity is one thing, but being forced to pay is no longer charity, it is called a tax -- I can no longer afford to take care of anyone else except for this household.

    Where was the “charity” for Texas when it was burning and in a sever drought?


  162. Lily
    162 | November 7, 2012 7:48 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    This isn’t Romney’s fault…plain and simple it’s the people’s fault.
    Plain and simple.

    Nobody is blaming Romney. We’re just Monday morning arm-chair quarterbacking what just happened.

    The problem is you can’t..because what happened last night was insane…how do you understand insanity?????


  163. Speranza
    163 | November 7, 2012 7:49 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Just about all social issues….but hey the Republicans are stuck on social issues. Pure insanity.

    It has not worked out too well the past two elections. We need to take more of a social libertarian view of things and to teach our candidates how to handle the “rape/abortion” gotcha questions.


  164. Brick
    164 | November 7, 2012 7:49 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    In point of fact, one of the reasons FEMA is nowhere to be seen on Staten Island now that Obama’s safely re-elected is that Staten Island is not only the most conservative, but the whitest borough of NYC.
    In other words, they are the victims of President Revenge.

    Yep. The first Jarrett’s payback.


  165. buzzsawmonkey
    165 | November 7, 2012 7:51 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Isn’t Choomberg supposed to be a Republican or did he switch parties and I missed it somehow?

    Bloomberg ran initially as a Republican because the Republican party in NYC is so moribund that he could buy the nomination instead of having to deal with a primary. (The Republicans didn’t even run a candidate against my Congresswoman)

    After Bloomberg was safely in office he switched to “Independent” for his illegal run for a third term. He bribed the City Council to abrogate the term limits law for him and then spent $100 million on the campaign.


  166. John Difool
    166 | November 7, 2012 7:51 pm

    Lily wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ John Difool:
    This isn’t Romney’s fault…plain and simple it’s the people’s fault.
    Plain and simple.
    Nobody is blaming Romney. We’re just Monday morning arm-chair quarterbacking what just happened.

    The problem is you can’t..because what happened last night was insane…how do you understand insanity?????

    I’m just posting at this point to avoid insanity. Conversing with you guys and talking about all of the shit that happened & where we go from here is medicine for my mind right now.


  167. Lily
    167 | November 7, 2012 7:52 pm

    Bunk X wrote:

    @ Lily:
    “Let’s become just like them.” Nah, I’ll pass.

    Excatly fighting evil with evil…bad mojo.


  168. lobo91
    168 | November 7, 2012 7:53 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Isn’t Choomberg supposed to be a Republican or did he switch parties and I missed it somehow?

    He’s actually a life-long Democrat. He switched parties to Republican the first time he ran so he could avoid the primary.

    Then he switched to Independent.


  169. Lily
    169 | November 7, 2012 7:54 pm

    gulfloafer wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Really? The majority voted for big gubmint over their own values.

    Got a link for that? Not in the south they didn’t.


  170. Brick
    170 | November 7, 2012 7:56 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Isn’t Choomberg supposed to be a Republican or did he switch parties and I missed it somehow?
    He’s actually a life-long Democrat. He switched parties to Republican the first time he ran so he could avoid the primary.
    Then he switched to Independent.

    Who knew principles were so malleable?


  171. lobo91
    171 | November 7, 2012 7:56 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    He bribed the City Council to abrogate the term limits law for him and then spent $100 million on the campaign.

    The most expensive political campaign in history by a big margin on a per-vote basis.

    He spent $104 million to get just over 1 million votes.

    It wasn’t that long ago that $104 million would have paid for a presidential campaign.


  172. Lily
    172 | November 7, 2012 7:56 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    In point of fact, one of the reasons FEMA is nowhere to be seen on Staten Island now that Obama’s safely re-elected is that Staten Island is not only the most conservative, but the whitest borough of NYC.

    In other words, they are the victims of President Revenge.

    Boy he didn’t waste anytime now did he?


  173. 173 | November 7, 2012 7:56 pm

    @ typicalwhitey:
    When Bunkessa and her HiSkool friends got their first minimum wage jobs, they’d already spent the $8/hour in their heads. Then they saw the chunk taken out for taxes. Cold splash of water, that.


  174. John Difool
    174 | November 7, 2012 7:56 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Isn’t Choomberg supposed to be a Republican or did he switch parties and I missed it somehow?
    He’s actually a life-long Democrat. He switched parties to Republican the first time he ran so he could avoid the primary.
    Then he switched to Independent.

    We’ll be seeing this rat in a future pesidential race you can count on it. May even run with or against Biden in 2016 in the Dem primary.


  175. lobo91
    175 | November 7, 2012 7:57 pm

    @ Brick:

    Who knew principles were so malleable?

    Not actually having any helps…


  176. Lily
    176 | November 7, 2012 7:57 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    BS. Charity is one thing, but being forced to pay is no longer charity, it is called a tax — I can no longer afford to take care of anyone else except for this household.

    Where was the “charity” for Texas when it was burning and in a sever drought?

    Excatly! Where was the government? Thankfully Texas and Louisiana have each others backs…


  177. gulfloafer
    177 | November 7, 2012 7:57 pm

    Lily wrote:

    gulfloafer wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Really? The majority voted for big gubmint over their own values.

    Got a link for that? Not in the south they didn’t.

    No, I don’t have a link for that. Google it.


  178. coldwarrior
    178 | November 7, 2012 7:58 pm

    Bunk X wrote:

    @ typicalwhitey:
    When Bunkessa and her HiSkool friends got their first minimum wage jobs, they’d already spent the $8/hour in their heads. Then they saw the chunk taken out for taxes. Cold splash of water, that.

    :lol:

    a priceless and timeless message


  179. Dolphin
    179 | November 7, 2012 7:58 pm

    @ John Difool:
    Ditto. I found myself very angry today and not very friendly. I am usually a very generous and giving person. Not so much now. I am going to become very selfish and non generous. I am very tired. And especially tired of working my ass off for those that are takers. There are going to be those that won’t like my new attitude -- guess what -- I don’t like their choices in leadership. Get over it.


  180. Brick
    180 | November 7, 2012 7:59 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Brick:
    Who knew principles were so malleable?
    Not actually having any helps…

    Really. :)

    Hey, this could be a boon for you? I’d think there’d be a lot of first time folks looking to get smart on proficient use of handguns now, yes?


  181. lobo91
    181 | November 7, 2012 7:59 pm

    @ heysoos:

    That part of the country mostly doesn’t believe in private charity, anyway. They think government should do everything.

    Let them have their way.


  182. Lily
    182 | November 7, 2012 8:00 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ John Difool:
    This isn’t Romney’s fault…plain and simple it’s the people’s fault.
    Plain and simple.
    Nobody is blaming Romney. We’re just Monday morning arm-chair quarterbacking what just happened.

    The problem is you can’t..because what happened last night was insane…how do you understand insanity?????

    I’m just posting at this point to avoid insanity. Conversing with you guys and talking about all of the shit that happened & where we go from here is medicine for my mind right now.

    Understand. What happened last is un-explainable…pure and simple.
    A great darkness is over our nation….I don’t know what the future holds but it looks bleak..right now.


  183. Guggi
    183 | November 7, 2012 8:00 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Standing up to China is Conservative. It’s standing up for national interest. In fact this was the original Conservative positions before the 90′s. Reagan supported tariffs.

    Within 20 years (starting with Clinton) the U.S.A has gone from the biggest creditor to the biggest debtor. Your trade deficit is now about US$ 470+ Billions that is the biggest in the world and you have trade deficits with more than 90 countries. But it goes worse: you have now the status (not the level !) of a third world country because you export primary products (e.g. coal) and import fabricated goods.


  184. Brick
    184 | November 7, 2012 8:00 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    BS. Charity is one thing, but being forced to pay is no longer charity, it is called a tax — I can no longer afford to take care of anyone else except for this household.
    Where was the “charity” for Texas when it was burning and in a sever drought?

    Excatly! Where was the government? Thankfully Texas and Louisiana have each others backs…

    I’m told you referendum’d no license conceal carry down there. Is that right?


  185. Guggi
    185 | November 7, 2012 8:01 pm

    typicalwhitey wrote:

    I say that Congress should give obama everything he asks for. Everything. Then let people deal with what they voted for.

    …and then start to rebuild this great country.


  186. lobo91
    186 | November 7, 2012 8:01 pm

    @ Brick:

    Hey, this could be a boon for you? I’d think there’d be a lot of first time folks looking to get smart on proficient use of handguns now, yes?

    Hopefully. Although I doubt that I’ll ever see enough business to live off of.

    There’s a gun show this weekend. Should be interesting.


  187. Lily
    187 | November 7, 2012 8:02 pm

    @ gulfloafer:

    I know Catholic’s in the South did NOT VOTE OBAMA!


  188. Brick
    188 | November 7, 2012 8:04 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Brick:
    Hey, this could be a boon for you? I’d think there’d be a lot of first time folks looking to get smart on proficient use of handguns now, yes?
    Hopefully. Although I doubt that I’ll ever see enough business to live off of.
    There’s a gun show this weekend. Should be interesting.

    Take Leia with you and tell her she’s on commission!


  189. Lily
    189 | November 7, 2012 8:04 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Ditto. I found myself very angry today and not very friendly. I am usually a very generous and giving person. Not so much now. I am going to become very selfish and non generous. I am very tired. And especially tired of working my ass off for those that are takers. There are going to be those that won’t like my new attitude — guess what — I don’t like their choices in leadership. Get over it.

    {Dolphin} right there with you…I’m tired and have no patience for the idiots. (Hope you are feeling better sick wise…did the new meds help?)


  190. huckfunn
    190 | November 7, 2012 8:04 pm

    @ Brick:
    @ typicalwhitey:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    The blue states just voted to impose misery and socialism on me. I do feel compassion for the innocents harmed by the storm. But that’s as far as it goes. If they need tangible compassion, they need to call O-hole or FEMA. Not another dime from me.


  191. John Difool
    191 | November 7, 2012 8:05 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Ditto. I found myself very angry today and not very friendly. I am usually a very generous and giving person. Not so much now. I am going to become very selfish and non generous. I am very tired. And especially tired of working my ass off for those that are takers. There are going to be those that won’t like my new attitude — guess what — I don’t like their choices in leadership. Get over it.

    I’m also not only mad at the ones who voted for more misery but the ones who do nothing but bitch about what Dems are doing, gas prices, insurance prices, taxes & the economy who didn’t go out & vote at all.

    I know a few like this personally and these are folks that would have no problem standing in a long line for a movie or a rollercoaster ride but to drive five minutes to their polling place to stand in line for ten minutes to vote is too much of an inconvenience.

    It’s folks like that I have the most contempt for.


  192. Lily
    192 | November 7, 2012 8:06 pm

    Brick wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    BS. Charity is one thing, but being forced to pay is no longer charity, it is called a tax — I can no longer afford to take care of anyone else except for this household.
    Where was the “charity” for Texas when it was burning and in a sever drought?

    Excatly! Where was the government? Thankfully Texas and Louisiana have each others backs…

    I’m told you referendum’d no license conceal carry down there. Is that right?

    Not to my knowledge to hold up gun rights passed. Correct me if I’m wrong.


  193. Brick
    193 | November 7, 2012 8:06 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Understand. What happened last is un-explainable…pure and simple.
    A great darkness is over our nation….I don’t know what the future holds but it looks bleak..right now.

    Darkest before the dawn or final dimming of the light?


  194. lobo91
    194 | November 7, 2012 8:08 pm

    @ Brick:

    Take Leia with you and tell her she’s on commission!

    She always goes with me. I’ve only done one show where she wasn’t allowed, and it was awful.


  195. Lily
    195 | November 7, 2012 8:08 pm

    Brick wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Understand. What happened last is un-explainable…pure and simple.
    A great darkness is over our nation….I don’t know what the future holds but it looks bleak..right now.

    Darkest before the dawn or final dimming of the light?

    Time will tell…darkest before the dawn on hoping that is it. ;)


  196. Brick
    196 | November 7, 2012 8:09 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Brick wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Dolphin wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    BS. Charity is one thing, but being forced to pay is no longer charity, it is called a tax — I can no longer afford to take care of anyone else except for this household.
    Where was the “charity” for Texas when it was burning and in a sever drought?
    Excatly! Where was the government? Thankfully Texas and Louisiana have each others backs…
    I’m told you referendum’d no license conceal carry down there. Is that right?

    Not to my knowledge to hold up gun rights passed. Correct me if I’m wrong.

    A relative down there texted me it passed. But, this relative is new to voting and would carry regardless, so I’m not really sure. :)


  197. Lily
    197 | November 7, 2012 8:09 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Is she eating better?


  198. 198 | November 7, 2012 8:09 pm

    @ John Difool:
    Ron Paul has good ideas on everything a President is not in control of, except for the power of veto. As for his foreign policy, that’s one thing that a President IS in control of, and in that arena Ron Paul is dangerously deluded.


  199. Lily
    199 | November 7, 2012 8:10 pm

    @ Brick:

    All I know and I think it was state wide…was to uphold gun rights and that did pass…


  200. lobo91
    200 | November 7, 2012 8:11 pm

    @ Brick:

    I’m told you referendum’d no license conceal carry down there. Is that right?

    No, it was a state constitutional amendment that subjects gun laws to a “strict scrutiny” standard.

    Some people believe that it may open the door to a court challenge of their existing permit laws, but it doesn’t invalidate them in and of itself.


  201. Lily
    201 | November 7, 2012 8:11 pm

    @ Brick:

    It did pass..


  202. John Difool
    202 | November 7, 2012 8:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    That part of the country mostly doesn’t believe in private charity, anyway. They think government should do everything.
    Let them have their way.

    They don’t believe in giving money to anything, which is why Obama has had to get 2/3rds of his campaign cash from foreign donors by turning off the AVS controls on his website the past two elections.


  203. Dolphin
    203 | November 7, 2012 8:12 pm

    @ Lily:
    Another thing I am changing. After the news of nt2u -- my medical issues are minor. I am usually not a complainer, but was more frustrated at being sick because I hadn’t been in such a long time.

    So, in short, I will survive! :)

    Thanks for asking.


  204. lobo91
    204 | November 7, 2012 8:12 pm

    @ Brick:

    A relative down there texted me it passed. But, this relative is new to voting and would carry regardless, so I’m not really sure.

    The amendment did pass, but that’s not what it was about.


  205. Lily
    205 | November 7, 2012 8:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Brick:

    I’m told you referendum’d no license conceal carry down there. Is that right?

    No, it was a state constitutional amendment that subjects gun laws to a “strict scrutiny” standard.

    Some people believe that it may open the door to a court challenge of their existing permit laws, but it doesn’t invalidate them in and of itself.

    That’s my understanding to uphold our right to carry was passed.


  206. 206 | November 7, 2012 8:13 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Is she eating better?

    I don’t care about the context, but that’s the funniest comment I’ve seen on the internest in weeks.


  207. lobo91
    207 | November 7, 2012 8:13 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Is she eating better?

    She ate about half a bowl of dog food this afternoon.


  208. Lily
    208 | November 7, 2012 8:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Brick:

    A relative down there texted me it passed. But, this relative is new to voting and would carry regardless, so I’m not really sure.

    The amendment did pass, but that’s not what it was about.

    I didn’t think so ..because I read it before I voted for it and it was about to uphold our gun rights.


  209. Lily
    209 | November 7, 2012 8:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Is she eating better?

    She ate about half a bowl of dog food this afternoon.

    That’s better then???


  210. 210 | November 7, 2012 8:14 pm

    @ Bunk X:
    Crap. I read that as “Is she eating butter.” :(


  211. Dolphin
    211 | November 7, 2012 8:14 pm

    @ Brick:
    First I have heard of it.

    Huck? Any input?


  212. Lily
    212 | November 7, 2012 8:15 pm

    Bunk X wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Is she eating better?

    I don’t care about the context, but that’s the funniest comment I’ve seen on the internest in weeks.

    LOL!


  213. lobo91
    213 | November 7, 2012 8:15 pm

    Louisiana Amendment Beefs Up the Right to Bear Arms

    There’s a significant development in Louisiana to add to our ballot-measure roundup. Voters in the state approved an amendment to the state constitution that strengthened the right to bear arms.

    Before voters approved the amendment by a vote of 73%-27% on Tuesday, the state constitution used to say this:

    The right of each citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged, but this provision shall not prevent the passage of laws to prohibit the carrying of weapons concealed on the person.

    Now it says this:

    The right of each citizen to acquire, keep, possess, transport, carry, transfer, and use arms for defense of life and liberty, and for all other legitimate purposes is fundamental and shall not be denied or infringed, and any restriction on this right shall be subject to strict scrutiny.

    The upshot is Louisiana will have a much harder time regulating concealed weapons in the future. Eugene Volokh, a law professor at UCLA, suggested on his blog Volokh Conspiracy that existing state laws such as a ban on stun guns could fall victim to the amendment. The state prohibition on granting concealed carry licenses to 18-to-20-year-olds could also be vulnerable.

    The amendment could also endanger a ban on carrying concealed weapons on university campuses in the state. As we reported in September, five states now allow students to carry concealed weapons on college campuses: Colorado, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah, and Wisconsin.


  214. eaglesoars
    214 | November 7, 2012 8:16 pm

    O’Reilly is being an idiot again. Saying if the economy doesn’t improve, the Dems are done.

    Does. Not. Get. It.


  215. lobo91
    215 | November 7, 2012 8:16 pm

    Bunk X wrote:

    @ Bunk X:
    Crap. I read that as “Is she eating butter.”

    I was wondering why you thought that was so funny


  216. Lily
    216 | November 7, 2012 8:17 pm

    @ Dolphin:

    Glad to hear you are okay….we are all in mourning over {NT2U}. :(


  217. lobo91
    217 | November 7, 2012 8:18 pm

    @ Lily:

    That’s better then???

    That’s the first dog food she’s eaten since Saturday, so yes.


  218. 218 | November 7, 2012 8:18 pm

    @ Lily:
    I read it as “butter.” Nevermind.


  219. Lily
    219 | November 7, 2012 8:18 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Bunk X wrote:

    @ Bunk X:
    Crap. I read that as “Is she eating butter.”

    I was wondering why you thought that was so funny

    Okay bunk… Is she eating butter~? ;)


  220. Lily
    220 | November 7, 2012 8:19 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    That’s better then???

    That’s the first dog food she’s eaten since Saturday, so yes.

    That’s GREAT. At least some good news for you. :)


  221. lobo91
    221 | November 7, 2012 8:19 pm

    @ Lily:

    I’m sure she would, if I gave her any.


  222. 222 | November 7, 2012 8:19 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I need some quadrifocals or something.


  223. John Difool
    223 | November 7, 2012 8:20 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    O’Reilly is being an idiot again. Saying if the economy doesn’t improve, the Dems are done.
    Does. Not. Get. It.

    O’Reilly will be happy to know Rick Santorum is already considering another run in 2016 because you know, he’s lookin’ out for us.

    *facepalm*


  224. lobo91
    224 | November 7, 2012 8:20 pm

    @ Lily:

    Her vet called me this morning. She doesn’t think there’s actually anything wrong with her, and that she’s just figured out how to get special food.

    In other words, she would have voted for Obama.


  225. 225 | November 7, 2012 8:21 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    @ Brick:
    @ typicalwhitey:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    The blue states just voted to impose misery and socialism on me. I do feel compassion for the innocents harmed by the storm. But that’s as far as it goes. If they need tangible compassion, they need to call O-hole or FEMA. Not another dime from me.

    That’s where I am right now too. I have to save my money for the coming tax increases.


  226. Brick
    226 | November 7, 2012 8:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Louisiana Amendment Beefs Up the Right to Bear Arms
    There’s a significant development in Louisiana to add to our ballot-measure roundup. Voters in the state approved an amendment to the state constitution that strengthened the right to bear arms.
    Before voters approved the amendment by a vote of 73%-27% on Tuesday, the state constitution used to say this:
    The right of each citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged, but this provision shall not prevent the passage of laws to prohibit the carrying of weapons concealed on the person.
    Now it says this:
    The right of each citizen to acquire, keep, possess, transport, carry, transfer, and use arms for defense of life and liberty, and for all other legitimate purposes is fundamental and shall not be denied or infringed, and any restriction on this right shall be subject to strict scrutiny.
    The upshot is Louisiana will have a much harder time regulating concealed weapons in the future. Eugene Volokh, a law professor at UCLA, suggested on his blog Volokh Conspiracy that existing state laws such as a ban on stun guns could fall victim to the amendment. The state prohibition on granting concealed carry licenses to 18-to-20-year-olds could also be vulnerable.
    The amendment could also endanger a ban on carrying concealed weapons on university campuses in the state. As we reported in September, five states now allow students to carry concealed weapons on college campuses: Colorado, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah, and Wisconsin.

    Not exactly as my relative framed it, but very cool nonetheless.

    Thank you. :)


  227. 227 | November 7, 2012 8:21 pm

    @ Lily:
    *bitter
    *batter
    *bugger


  228. eaglesoars
    228 | November 7, 2012 8:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    That’s the first dog food she’s eaten since Saturday, so yes.

    lobo, there’s this stuff called Nutrical. It comes in a tube and is brown goo. It’s hi-calorie nutrtional supplement you just squeeze over the dog food. most dogs love it. You can get it at the vet’s office (not expensive $13/tube or so) and I think some pet stores sell it.

    worth a try


  229. lobo91
    229 | November 7, 2012 8:22 pm

    Bunk X wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I need some quadrifocals or something.

    I actually need trifocals, but I have 2 different pairs of bifocals instead.

    I can’t see the computer screen with regular bifocals.


  230. lobo91
    230 | November 7, 2012 8:23 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’m going to try mixing her food with the other stuff, and then gradually going back to just the dog food.


  231. Lily
    231 | November 7, 2012 8:24 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    O’Reilly is being an idiot again. Saying if the economy doesn’t improve, the Dems are done.

    Does. Not. Get. It.

    Well they sure as hell got voted in last nigh(mare). So it doesn’t appear to be hurting them at all.


  232. huckfunn
    232 | November 7, 2012 8:24 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ Brick:
    First I have heard of it.

    Huck? Any input?

    There were no statewide propositions or referendums on my Texas ballot, so I don’t know where this is coming from. Lobo’s got some info on the Louisiana amendment.


  233. 233 | November 7, 2012 8:25 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I’ve got a bit of astigmatism, but I wear blended trifocals. Every time I see the word “better” I read “butter.”
    Yeah, things could be worse…


  234. lobo91
    234 | November 7, 2012 8:25 pm

    @ Brick:

    I’m glad they didn’t have a permitless concealed carry referendum. That’s an extremely dangerous proposition. I was really glad when our legislature voted it down.


  235. Moe Katz
    235 | November 7, 2012 8:26 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Great!


  236. Lily
    236 | November 7, 2012 8:27 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Her vet called me this morning. She doesn’t think there’s actually anything wrong with her, and that she’s just figured out how to get special food.

    In other words, she would have voted for Obama.

    Oh my she is pulling one over ya! LOL!


  237. Brick
    237 | November 7, 2012 8:28 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Bunk X wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    I need some quadrifocals or something.

    I actually need trifocals, but I have 2 different pairs of bifocals instead.
    I can’t see the computer screen with regular bifocals.

    Is your front sight picture better with the distance part or the cheater part of your lens?


  238. Lily
    238 | November 7, 2012 8:29 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ Brick:
    First I have heard of it.

    Huck? Any input?

    There were no statewide propositions or referendums on my Texas ballot, so I don’t know where this is coming from. Lobo’s got some info on the Louisiana amendment.

    Actually it was on the Louisiana ballot to beef up our right to carry.


  239. Dolphin
    239 | November 7, 2012 8:29 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    I just figured that out -- OP was thinking I was in LA.


  240. lobo91
    240 | November 7, 2012 8:29 pm

    @ Lily:

    Oh my she is pulling one over ya! LOL!

    She clearly was sick on Saturday from something. There’s a big spot on my carpet that I haven’t been able to get clean to prove it.

    But the vet thinks she’s just milking it now.


  241. Mars
    241 | November 7, 2012 8:29 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    huckfunn wrote:
    Before the election, I sent a donation to a New Jersey food bank for the the Hurricane Sandy relief effort. However after last night when I look at the “blue” northeastern states, my compassion is all used up. I wonder if the nor’easter blowing in will turn ‘em a little bluer.
    The people out on Staten Island who lost everything and are currently shivering while they wonder where the hell FEMA went to and why Bloomberg hasn’t sent over a generator or two are mostly conservative; Staten Island is the most conservative borough of NYC.

    Isn’t Choomberg supposed to be a Republican or did he switch parties and I missed it somehow?

    He did switch some time back.


  242. Brick
    242 | November 7, 2012 8:29 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Brick:
    I’m glad they didn’t have a permitless concealed carry referendum. That’s an extremely dangerous proposition. I was really glad when our legislature voted it down.

    Really? I figured it’d work like a strong quick shot of bleach in the gene pool.


  243. lobo91
    243 | November 7, 2012 8:31 pm

    @ Brick:

    Is your front sight picture better with the distance part or the cheater part of your lens?

    I shoot using the distant vision portion.


  244. Lily
    244 | November 7, 2012 8:33 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Oh my she is pulling one over ya! LOL!

    She clearly was sick on Saturday from something. There’s a big spot on my carpet that I haven’t been able to get clean to prove it.

    But the vet thinks she’s just milking it now.

    You know dogs…sometimes they eat something they shouldn’t and they do it without you seeing it.


  245. huckfunn
    245 | November 7, 2012 8:33 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’m going to try mixing her food with the other stuff, and then gradually going back to just the dog food.

    Last night I commented about what we feed our 15 year old lab. You may not have seen it as the threads were moving so fast.
    Brown a pound of ground turkey and, while browning, throw in about 1/3 package frozen peas and carrots. She really likes it. I add about 1/3 cup to her dry dog food each meal. We used to add rice, but she really farts up a storm with the rice.


  246. Dolphin
    246 | November 7, 2012 8:33 pm

    @ lobo91:
    If that is the case -- good on her, but from my experience an animal that quits eating is scary because they can go down hill so very fast! Really glad she is eating again!

    Night all. Thanks for being here and the friendship.


  247. Lily
    247 | November 7, 2012 8:34 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Have you used ammonia to clean it? Seems to work real well without damaging the color.
    /I use to clean houses for a living. ;)


  248. Lily
    248 | November 7, 2012 8:35 pm

    @ Dolphin:

    Night {Dolphin}!


  249. Brick
    249 | November 7, 2012 8:35 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    If that is the case — good on her, but from my experience an animal that quits eating is scary because they can go down hill so very fast! Really glad she is eating again!
    Night all. Thanks for being here and the friendship.

    Nite, D.


  250. Guggi
    250 | November 7, 2012 8:36 pm

    The NYT runs an article with opinions from all over the world about O.’s victory and yeahhhh, he’ll heal the ME and solve all problems.

    (like in Benghazi ?)

    (…)

    (from Egypt)

    Obama’s victory will be seen as an amber light in Tehran. To further isolate Iran, and be prepared for consequences of U.S. military options, Obama can’t ignore the Palestinians. His second term can see him belatedly deserve the Nobel Prize by bringing Israelis and Arabs to a settlement. He has made new friends in the Middle East, not least the region’s most powerful political force: the Muslim Brotherhood. They will expect leadership and reliability.

    (…)

    (from Israel)

    With the complex situation followed by the Arab Awakening, America needs to reach out to the Muslim and Arab world. It should be adamant in opposing extremist religious fanaticism while being firm in protecting its strategic and economic interests: but it should not launch a war, ideological or strategic, against Islam as such.

    Romney would have been incapable of such a differentiated approach. Obama has tried to suggest such opening in his Cairo speech; even if there was no follow up and his initial response to the demonstrations on Tahrir Square was confused, he understands how important this is. He is also well aware of the pitfalls of a more active involvement in the Syrian imbroglio.

    (…)

    (from Mongolia)

    Four years on it is safe to say that for the rest of the world Obama has not delivered on foreign policy promises. Obama promised much, and suggested that America would move beyond a foreign policy based on promoting American exceptionalism.

    Across Asia, the reaction to the elections has been muted. Asians woke up sometime ago to the reality that exceptionalism driven by narrow national political agendas is at the core of American foreign policy, and they have to endure its global implications.

    If Obama is to restore his credibility, he will need to do more than resort to rhetoric. He will need to convince people in Asia that he understands America must be humble and accommodate the realities of power-sharing in a rapidly changing world. He has many opportunities to do this in the way he deals with China, Iran, Syria, Russia — not to mention the mess in Afghanistan.

    (…)

    (from GB a French professor)

    Europe woke up with a deep sense of relief. ‘’Their candidate’’ had made it again. The Continent may have almost disappeared from the American radar screen, but for Europeans, America has kept its emotional — if not strategic — centrality. America may not be what it used to be — the one and only indispensable power — but Europeans follow its presidential elections with keen interest.

    Obama may have lost much of its magic, but fear of what a Romney victory could mean may has replaced the sense of hope that prevailed in 2008.

    Nevertheless Europeans in their majority could not understand why Americans had such hesitations in their political choices.

    (…)


  251. lobo91
    251 | November 7, 2012 8:36 pm

    @ Brick:

    Really? I figured it’d work like a strong quick shot of bleach in the gene pool.

    If that’s all it would do, I’d be okay with it. Unfortunately, it puts other people at risk.

    I don’t think there should necessarily be a training or licensing requirement to buy a gun, like some states have. If you’re going to carry it in public, though, it would be nice to know that you have some idea what you’re doing.

    I look at it the same way drivers licenses work. You don’t have to have a license to drive a car, as long as you’re on private property. You can let your 12 year old drive if you want. When you’re going to drive on the roads and endanger other people, you need a license.


  252. Moe Katz
    252 | November 7, 2012 8:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Republicans need to run on Economic/Fiscal Conservatism and Socially Libertarian. Young people are not into Social Conservatism. It’s the truth. Its not popular around here for me to say this, but it’s the truth. We need to make social issues a 10th Amendment thing and focus on economic freedom. We also need to stop the Wilsonian spread Democracy foreign policy. We need a Nationalist economic interest only foreign policy.

    That’s to an extent what our governing Conservative party does in Canada, with some success. But you have to suppress the socon loons in your movement.


  253. brookly red
    253 | November 7, 2012 8:37 pm

    you know all this disaster stuff round this way is somehow very strangely spiratualy comforting… seriously. God is speaking to those with ears to hear.


  254. huckfunn
    254 | November 7, 2012 8:38 pm

    @ Dolphin:
    G’nite, Dolphin


  255. Moe Katz
    255 | November 7, 2012 8:38 pm

    @ Moe Katz:
    There’s also an important urban/rural split there; if you want the urban vote you need to be socially liberal.


  256. lobo91
    256 | November 7, 2012 8:39 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Have you used ammonia to clean it? Seems to work real well without damaging the color.
    /I use to clean houses for a living.

    No, I haven’t tried that. Never even thought of it.

    I’ll have to get some. I doubt that there’s any here.

    Thanks.


  257. huckfunn
    257 | November 7, 2012 8:40 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    The NYT runs an article with opinions from all over the world about O.’s victory and yeahhhh, he’ll heal the ME and solve all problems.

    I’ll bet Putin’s all excited about 4 more years of flexibility.


  258. 258 | November 7, 2012 8:40 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Her vet called me this morning. She doesn’t think there’s actually anything wrong with her, and that she’s just figured out how to get special food.
    In other words, she would have voted for Obama.

    Sometimes a dog or a cat whose nose is temporarily stuffed up won’t eat for awhile because they’re too accustomed to recognizing food by smell. If they don’t recognize the familiar smell, they don’t consider it good to eat.

    John Difool wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    huckfunn wrote:
    Before the election, I sent a donation to a New Jersey food bank for the the Hurricane Sandy relief effort. However after last night when I look at the “blue” northeastern states, my compassion is all used up. I wonder if the nor’easter blowing in will turn ‘em a little bluer.
    c,mon man, rise above it…when people are in dire straights you reach out, no question…compassion should be universal

    Nope. They voted to keep reaching into my pockets & forcibly taking from me so they can go get their help from Uncle Sugar from here on out.
    My compassion for half of this country has all but dried up now.

    Dunno about you, but I’m too broke to send anything to anybody, for obvious reasons, even if I wanted to, which I no longer do.

    I feel nothing but contempt for Obama voters and all I want is to have as little contact with them as possible for the rest of my days. I feel soiled just by being in the same country with them.


  259. Lily
    259 | November 7, 2012 8:41 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah it cuts through stains well..dap some on a cloth and scrub.


  260. livefreeor die
    260 | November 7, 2012 8:41 pm

    Alot of good ideas and insights. Reading through the whole thread before replying was therapeutic. Made me feel less lonely today. I agree-we need to take on the media, education, and getting the message out. And most of all we have to stop protecting the morons who voted for the SCOAMF from the consequences of their actions. I plan to go to local businesses that share my values and avoid union related products as much as possible.
    One thing I was thinking is that we need to start moving conservatives out of areas where their votes don’t count electoral college wise and move them into states where it could swing the balance.


  261. lobo91
    261 | November 7, 2012 8:41 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Guggi wrote:

    The NYT runs an article with opinions from all over the world about O.’s victory and yeahhhh, he’ll heal the ME and solve all problems.

    I’ll bet Putin’s all excited about 4 more years of flexibility.

    no doubt


  262. coldwarrior
    262 | November 7, 2012 8:42 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ Moe Katz:
    There’s also an important urban/rural split there; if you want the urban vote you need to be socially liberal.

    or at least socially ‘neutral’.

    ‘its a states rights issue’ is a great place to start with the socon stuff and leave it at that.

    one day the gop will learn that america is not as socially conservative as it was. dont fall for the abortion / war on women gotcha questions, defer everything else to the state.

    the urban / suburban -- rural split this election was huge. the gop has no choice but to make inroads into the urban areas.


  263. 263 | November 7, 2012 8:42 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ eaglesoars:
    I’m going to try mixing her food with the other stuff, and then gradually going back to just the dog food.

    Last night I commented about what we feed our 15 year old lab. You may not have seen it as the threads were moving so fast.
    Brown a pound of ground turkey and, while browning, throw in about 1/3 package frozen peas and carrots. She really likes it. I add about 1/3 cup to her dry dog food each meal. We used to add rice, but she really farts up a storm with the rice.

    Tug Eats Everything -- Holiday Surprise


  264. Guggi
    264 | November 7, 2012 8:42 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    I’ll bet Putin’s all excited about 4 more years of flexibility

    Yes, he really is. No joke.


  265. Lily
    265 | November 7, 2012 8:42 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    you know all this disaster stuff round this way is somehow very strangely spiratualy comforting… seriously. God is speaking to those with ears to hear.

    Yes he is ….


  266. Dolphin
    266 | November 7, 2012 8:43 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Do you have a wet/dry vac? Hot water and vac it up. It works, even with odors. May take a time or two, but less expensive than carpet cleaning!

    Trust me -- cat is a carrier of giardia. Nasty!

    Also talk with your vet about black walnut extract. You can get it at a whole foods/vitamin place. You put a few sprinkles on their food and it calms their stomach. Cat loves it and actually begs for it when his tummy isn’t feeling good.

    http://www.sunshinehealthstore.com/cleansingdetox/black-walnut-extract-2-fl-oz.htm?gclid=COPQ2YKfvrMCFQ4EnQod1yYAPw


  267. Lily
    267 | November 7, 2012 8:43 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    I’ll bet Putin’s all excited about 4 more years of flexibility

    Yes, he really is. No joke.

    Grand. Hey {Guggi}!


  268. 268 | November 7, 2012 8:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    The NYT runs an article with opinions from all over the world about O.’s victory and yeahhhh, he’ll heal the ME and solve all problems.
    I’ll bet Putin’s all excited about 4 more years of flexibility.

    no doubt

    Not really. He isn’t going to be excited by any American president. He just perceived Romney to be anti-Russian, which he definitely is.


  269. Calo
    269 | November 7, 2012 8:44 pm

    @ typicalwhitey:
    Yep. Spent the day working on a survival mode strategy at work.

    I have a few people I work with who are gonna be PO’d at losing their health care benefits come the end of the year.


  270. lobo91
    270 | November 7, 2012 8:44 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah it cuts through stains well..dap some on a cloth and scrub.

    I’ll try it in my office first. The carpet in there is a real mess, thanks to a certain 4 legged member of the househould. Fortunately, nobody goes in there but me.


  271. eaglesoars
    271 | November 7, 2012 8:46 pm

    I’m falling asleep. Nite all. Thanks for being here. Much needed/appreciated today


  272. Moe Katz
    272 | November 7, 2012 8:46 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    What do you make of the intriguing fact that single women went overwhelmingly for Obama whereas married women voted Romney approximately 55:45 IIRC….


  273. Brick
    273 | November 7, 2012 8:46 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Brick:
    Really? I figured it’d work like a strong quick shot of bleach in the gene pool.
    If that’s all it would do, I’d be okay with it. Unfortunately, it puts other people at risk.
    I don’t think there should necessarily be a training or licensing requirement to buy a gun, like some states have. If you’re going to carry it in public, though, it would be nice to know that you have some idea what you’re doing.
    I look at it the same way drivers licenses work. You don’t have to have a license to drive a car, as long as you’re on private property. You can let your 12 year old drive if you want. When you’re going to drive on the roads and endanger other people, you need a license.

    Well, if the state issued license granted some kind of immunity from prosecution with exceptions for negligent discharge not in defense of life or property, I’d agree. Otherwise, I’m in the AKs for everyone camp. Pa is a shall issue state, no tests, no specific arms listed on the permit. Seems to work pretty well here.


  274. lobo91
    274 | November 7, 2012 8:47 pm

    @ Dolphin:

    Do you have a wet/dry vac? Hot water and vac it up. It works, even with odors. May take a time or two, but less expensive than carpet cleaning!

    I actually have a Hoover carpet cleaner. It didn’t help much this time. I have some spray that usually works well for small areas, and that didn’t work, either.


  275. Lily
    275 | November 7, 2012 8:47 pm

    @ livefreeor die:

    Hey {livefreeordie} ….yes it does bring you out of the doldrums from the nightmare last night…we have our own little place here. ;)


  276. brookly red
    276 | November 7, 2012 8:48 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    you know all this disaster stuff round this way is somehow very strangely spiratualy comforting… seriously. God is speaking to those with ears to hear.

    Yes he is ….

    seriously, I woke up this morning and understood how Lot felt. In and odd way our chickens ARE comming home to roost, these things must be.


  277. Lily
    277 | November 7, 2012 8:48 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Ammonia. Cheap and it works. Just my 2 cents. ;)


  278. 278 | November 7, 2012 8:48 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    What do you make of the intriguing fact that single women went overwhelmingly for Obama whereas married women voted Romney approximately 55:45 IIRC….

    Marriage requires devotion to something other than oneself.


  279. John Difool
    279 | November 7, 2012 8:49 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Guggi wrote:
    The NYT runs an article with opinions from all over the world about O.’s victory and yeahhhh, he’ll heal the ME and solve all problems.
    I’ll bet Putin’s all excited about 4 more years of flexibility.

    He was so excited he parked a Russian nuclear attack sub just off the Georgia coast the other night to observe our election.


  280. lobo91
    280 | November 7, 2012 8:49 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Ammonia. Cheap and it works. Just my 2 cents.

    I’ll get some tomorrow and try it.


  281. Lily
    281 | November 7, 2012 8:50 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    you know all this disaster stuff round this way is somehow very strangely spiratualy comforting… seriously. God is speaking to those with ears to hear.

    Yes he is ….

    seriously, I woke up this morning and understood how Lot felt. In and odd way our chickens ARE comming home to roost, these things must be.

    You know speaking of Lot … I prayed in the same way if there is at least 10 God-fearing people please God..but Your Will not my own.
    Our country has turned it’s back on God…God didn’t turn His back on us….all the more reason to pray for our country.


  282. brookly red
    282 | November 7, 2012 8:50 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    What do you make of the intriguing fact that single women went overwhelmingly for Obama whereas married women voted Romney approximately 55:45 IIRC….

    it is natural to seek a provider.


  283. lobo91
    283 | November 7, 2012 8:51 pm

    @ John Difool:

    He was so excited he parked a Russian nuclear attack sub just off the Georgia coast the other night to observe our election.

    Of course, the fact that we knew it was there means that we could take it out anytime we wanted to.


  284. John Difool
    284 | November 7, 2012 8:51 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    you know all this disaster stuff round this way is somehow very strangely spiratualy comforting… seriously. God is speaking to those with ears to hear.
    Yes he is ….

    seriously, I woke up this morning and understood how Lot felt. In and odd way our chickens ARE comming home to roost, these things must be.

    So whaddya think? Hope the Mayans are right?


  285. Lily
    285 | November 7, 2012 8:52 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Hope it works. I’m betting it will..may take some scrubbing though..but I’m sure you’ll get it. ;)


  286. huckfunn
    286 | November 7, 2012 8:52 pm

    Calo wrote:

    I have a few people I work with who are gonna be PO’d at losing their health care benefits come the end of the year.

    Wait a minute! Everybody gets healthcare now… and yippee, it’s free. Teh Owe said so. //////////


  287. coldwarrior
    287 | November 7, 2012 8:52 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    What do you make of the intriguing fact that single women went overwhelmingly for Obama whereas married women voted Romney approximately 55:45 IIRC….

    easy, i work with a bunch of chicks. thoe singles who voted for obama cared about rights and equal pay (war on women) then immediately turned around and bitched about how much taxes were taken out of their pay!

    the married chicks get it. they own a house or two, have kids, and are more looking out for their family. the single chicks dont have that grounding and are still mostly economically naive. the gop really dropped the ball with them. one of them even quoted that idiot yahoo from MO about legitimate rape.

    marketing and messageing.


  288. buzzsawmonkey
    288 | November 7, 2012 8:53 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    seriously, I woke up this morning and understood how Lot felt.

    I’m sorry, but your Lot has just been condemned under eminent domain.


  289. lobo91
    289 | November 7, 2012 8:53 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    Wait a minute! Everybody gets healthcare now… and yippee, it’s free. Teh Owe said so. //////////

    I’m certainly enjoying my government-provided healthcare.

    Not.


  290. livefreeor die
    290 | November 7, 2012 8:54 pm

    {Lily}
    I know what you and brookly red are saying. I have been feeling a strong spiritual presence in the last week when I prayed about the election. Glenn Beck today said he felt God’s presence but also felt that God was saying, “I’m here but I’m not giving you the easy path.”


  291. John Difool
    291 | November 7, 2012 8:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    He was so excited he parked a Russian nuclear attack sub just off the Georgia coast the other night to observe our election.
    Of course, the fact that we knew it was there means that we could take it out anytime we wanted to.

    Could be they were just dropping of their delegation of U.N. election observers.

    Don’t know how true it is but I saw a something that said it actually got as close as the mouth of Savannah Harbor.


  292. 292 | November 7, 2012 8:55 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    Lily wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    you know all this disaster stuff round this way is somehow very strangely spiratualy comforting… seriously. God is speaking to those with ears to hear.
    Yes he is ….
    seriously, I woke up this morning and understood how Lot felt. In and odd way our chickens ARE comming home to roost, these things must be.

    So whaddya think? Hope the Mayans are right?

    I don’t THINK they’re right, but hell YEAH I hope they are right.


  293. livefreeor die
    293 | November 7, 2012 8:56 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    I have an unmarried aunt who is a raging liberal. It dawned on me the other day that she has never been responsible for taking care of others. It’s all about her.


  294. lobo91
    294 | November 7, 2012 8:56 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Don’t know how true it is but I saw a something that said it actually got as close as the mouth of Savannah Harbor.

    We do the same thing with our subs.


  295. Daffy Duck
    295 | November 7, 2012 8:56 pm

    Well, now that we are in the final stages before the economic collapse, any predictions on who becomes the dictator coming out after?


  296. brookly red
    296 | November 7, 2012 8:57 pm

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    you know all this disaster stuff round this way is somehow very strangely spiratualy comforting… seriously. God is speaking to those with ears to hear.

    Yes he is ….

    seriously, I woke up this morning and understood how Lot felt. In and odd way our chickens ARE comming home to roost, these things must be.

    You know speaking of Lot … I prayed in the same way if there is at least 10 God-fearing people please God..but Your Will not my own.
    Our country has turned it’s back on God…God didn’t turn His back on us….all the more reason to pray for our country.

    what is our country? our borders? our culture? our people? we have become a Godless society, we will reap as we have planted. these things must be


  297. lobo91
    297 | November 7, 2012 8:58 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    I don’t THINK they’re right, but hell YEAH I hope they are right.

    I’m fairly certain that Obama’s re-election is what triggers the end of the world in December.


  298. huckfunn
    298 | November 7, 2012 8:58 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ huckfunn:

    Wait a minute! Everybody gets healthcare now… and yippee, it’s free. Teh Owe said so. //////////

    I’m certainly enjoying my government-provided healthcare.

    Not.


  299. Lily
    299 | November 7, 2012 8:58 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    you know all this disaster stuff round this way is somehow very strangely spiratualy comforting… seriously. God is speaking to those with ears to hear.
    Yes he is ….

    seriously, I woke up this morning and understood how Lot felt. In and odd way our chickens ARE comming home to roost, these things must be.

    So whaddya think? Hope the Mayans are right?

    The thing about the Mayan prediction isn’t the end of the world..but a change in the world…and yeah I have often thought if obama was re-elected I would look a litter closer to that . ;)


  300. lobo91
    300 | November 7, 2012 8:59 pm

    Daffy Duck wrote:

    Well, now that we are in the final stages before the economic collapse, any predictions on who becomes the dictator coming out after?

    I’m hoping it’s Dennis Miller.


  301. brookly red
    301 | November 7, 2012 8:59 pm

    Daffy Duck wrote:

    Well, now that we are in the final stages before the economic collapse, any predictions on who becomes the dictator coming out after?

    Satan same as always


  302. coldwarrior
    302 | November 7, 2012 8:59 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Marriage requires devotion to something other than oneself.

    a concept that is totally lost on a 25 yo unmarried female because she has no reference to understand what you are saying.

    message and marketing


  303. 303 | November 7, 2012 8:59 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    What do you make of the intriguing fact that single women went overwhelmingly for Obama whereas married women voted Romney approximately 55:45 IIRC….

    it is natural to seek a provider.

    And most of them are still single because they’re empty-headed floozies who have absolutely nothing to offer anybody (and who refuse to offer anybody anything) other than sex. And probably bad sex at that, complete with STDs.

    Hell yeah I’m bitter. But I see the skanks who shop at our store every day. With all kinds of trash tattoos, ugly figures squeezed into too-tight clothes, cheap wigs, baby daddies and baby mommas, complete illiteracy combined with willful ignorance, and so on and so forth. I’m feeling as though I’d rather die in my sleep than go back to work and see them all again tomorrow.


  304. Lily
    304 | November 7, 2012 9:00 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Yeah it cuts through stains well..dap some on a cloth and scrub.

    I’ll try it in my office first. The carpet in there is a real mess, thanks to a certain 4 legged member of the househould. Fortunately, nobody goes in there but me.

    Yep I would do that…try an area that is a mess first. Watch the fumes though. :)


  305. John Difool
    305 | November 7, 2012 9:00 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Calo wrote:
    I have a few people I work with who are gonna be PO’d at losing their health care benefits come the end of the year.

    Wait a minute! Everybody gets healthcare now… and yippee, it’s free. Teh Owe said so. //////////

    Can’t wait to see the lamentations & gnashing of teeth from the Obots when they first get the news they’ll have to pay $3500 to $4500 dollars a year for health insurance they were promised would be free or face a stiff fine punishable up to year in prison.

    It’ll be popcorn worthy.


  306. Daffy Duck
    306 | November 7, 2012 9:00 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    I wonder if there is an element of “self-fulfilling prophecy” aspect re: the Mayan thing.


  307. brookly red
    307 | November 7, 2012 9:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ 1389AD:

    I don’t THINK they’re right, but hell YEAH I hope they are right.

    I’m fairly certain that Obama’s re-election is what triggers the end of the world in December.

    But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.


  308. lobo91
    308 | November 7, 2012 9:02 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    1389AD wrote:

    Marriage requires devotion to something other than oneself.

    a concept that is totally lost on a 25 yo unmarried female because she has no reference to understand what you are saying.

    message and marketing

    Of course, that’s why so many people who get married that young end up divorced, too.


  309. buzzsawmonkey
    309 | November 7, 2012 9:02 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Can’t wait to see the lamentations & gnashing of teeth from the Obots when they first get the news they’ll have to pay $3500 to $4500 dollars a year for health insurance they were promised would be free or face a stiff fine punishable up to year in prison.

    It’ll be popcorn worthy.

    But building and staffing all those new prisons will create jobs!!!


  310. John Difool
    310 | November 7, 2012 9:03 pm

    Daffy Duck wrote:

    Well, now that we are in the final stages before the economic collapse, any predictions on who becomes the dictator coming out after?

    King Jay-Z & Queen Beyonce


  311. huckfunn
    311 | November 7, 2012 9:03 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Can’t wait to see the lamentations & gnashing of teeth from the Obots when they first get the news they’ll have to pay $3500 to $4500 dollars a year for health insurance they were promised would be free or face a stiff fine punishable up to year in prison.

    It’ll be popcorn worthy.

    Yes, indeedy. And just see what kind of “care” they get for the price. Remember what Long John Silver said… “Them that dies will be the lucky ones”. :evil:


  312. coldwarrior
    312 | November 7, 2012 9:03 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    And most of them are still single because they’re empty-headed floozies who have absolutely nothing to offer anybody (and who refuse to offer anybody anything) other than sex. And probably bad sex at that, complete with STDs.

    these are highly educated RN’s and DO’s i work with. total professionals most of whom are very conservative in their lives but the gop hasnt been able to reach them with a coherent message yet.

    message and marketing


  313. 313 | November 7, 2012 9:03 pm

    @ Brick:
    Cheater part on closeup stuff, but I hate tilting my head back, and sometimes I take the specs off to read the fine print. Long distance is cool with the glasses.


  314. Lily
    314 | November 7, 2012 9:04 pm

    livefreeor die wrote:

    {Lily}
    I know what you and brookly red are saying. I have been feeling a strong spiritual presence in the last week when I prayed about the election. Glenn Beck today said he felt God’s presence but also felt that God was saying, “I’m here but I’m not giving you the easy path.”

    How many times has God been rejetted in the last 4 years……it’s just amazing….no it isn’t going to be easy.


  315. coldwarrior
    315 | November 7, 2012 9:05 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    Marriage requires devotion to something other than oneself.
    a concept that is totally lost on a 25 yo unmarried female because she has no reference to understand what you are saying.
    message and marketing

    Of course, that’s why so many people who get married that young end up divorced, too.

    true that!


  316. buzzsawmonkey
    316 | November 7, 2012 9:05 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    What do you make of the intriguing fact that single women went overwhelmingly for Obama whereas married women voted Romney approximately 55:45 IIRC….

    They voted their vaginas, just as the gay men voted their dicks and blacks voted their skin color.

    That was supposedly praiseworthy—but if you’re suspected of “voting your pocketbook,” you are eeevil.


  317. Lily
    317 | November 7, 2012 9:06 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Our country is splintered like I have never seen it before.


  318. 318 | November 7, 2012 9:06 pm

    @ Lily:
    Never wear a Massachusetts Institute of Technology t-shirt to a polling place in LA.


  319. brookly red
    319 | November 7, 2012 9:06 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    And most of them are still single because they’re empty-headed floozies who have absolutely nothing to offer anybody (and who refuse to offer anybody anything) other than sex. And probably bad sex at that, complete with STDs.
    Hell yeah I’m bitter. But I see the skanks who shop at our store every day. With all kinds of trash tattoos, ugly figures squeezed into too-tight clothes, cheap wigs, baby daddies and baby mommas, complete illiteracy combined with willful ignorance, and so on and so forth. I’m feeling as though I’d rather die in my sleep than go back to work and see them all again tomorrow.

    exactly, for example there is a huge influx of Asain women marrying American men, why? like the cars of the 80′s domestic models are overpriced and underperforming. I don’t want to be judgementel but free markets are not man made they do occure in nature.


  320. 320 | November 7, 2012 9:07 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Remember what Long John Silver said… “Them that dies will be the lucky ones”. :evil:

    What I’ve been saying.
    I find myself envying nothreat. As someone who has already survived brain surgery, meningitis, abscesses, kidney infections, multiple bouts of pneumonia, and various other stuff, I have some idea what I’m talking about. I never wanted to live to see this day.


  321. Brick
    321 | November 7, 2012 9:08 pm

    Bunk X wrote:

    @ Brick:
    Cheater part on closeup stuff, but I hate tilting my head back, and sometimes I take the specs off to read the fine print. Long distance is cool with the glasses.

    The eye guy said I should consider bifocals -- but I still get a sharp front sight picture with my single visions so I think I’ll stick with them for a bit longer.

    I can always use diopters for matches if needed.


  322. Mars
    322 | November 7, 2012 9:08 pm

    Try this one here were last nights referendums.

    First to uphold the new restrictions on medical marijuana. (Thank god, we couldnt go back to the criminal free for all that the previously voted bill caused.)

    Second Parental notification for teen abortions Approved.

    Third Corporations not recognized as people. (Poorly written shit bill by the libs to limit campaign spending and advertising.) Passed

    Fourth No state funds for illegal aliens -- passed.

    State went half and half for dems/reps but went the right way on the other issues except one.


  323. 323 | November 7, 2012 9:08 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    Can I be your dog? You can save on the dry food.


  324. Lily
    324 | November 7, 2012 9:09 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Uhhhhhh my youngest son has tat’s and he isn’t trash and he is married and a good provider with a 15 month old baby and another on the way and he takes marriage and his wife and his children very seriously.


  325. 325 | November 7, 2012 9:10 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    exactly, for example there is a huge influx of Asain women marrying American men, why? like the cars of the 80′s domestic models are overpriced and underperforming. I don’t want to be judgementel but free markets are not man made they do occure in nature.

    Not to mention ugly, noisy, stinky, unreliable, and tastelessly accessorized.


  326. John Difool
    326 | November 7, 2012 9:10 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Can’t wait to see the lamentations & gnashing of teeth from the Obots when they first get the news they’ll have to pay $3500 to $4500 dollars a year for health insurance they were promised would be free or face a stiff fine punishable up to year in prison.
    It’ll be popcorn worthy.
    Yes, indeedy. And just see what kind of “care” they get for the price. Remember what Long John Silver said… “Them that dies will be the lucky ones”.

    Well, Nancy did tell them they were REALLY gonna love what was inside the bill once they passed it.

    I hope that promise holds true.

    Heh Heh Heh Heh


  327. brookly red
    327 | November 7, 2012 9:10 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ brookly red:

    Our country is splintered like I have never seen it before.

    these things must be


  328. huckfunn
    328 | November 7, 2012 9:10 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    I find myself envying nothreat.

    NoThreat, bless her heart. Her passing was a bad start to bad day.


  329. Mars
    329 | November 7, 2012 9:12 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    And most of them are still single because they’re empty-headed floozies who have absolutely nothing to offer anybody (and who refuse to offer anybody anything) other than sex. And probably bad sex at that, complete with STDs.
    Hell yeah I’m bitter. But I see the skanks who shop at our store every day. With all kinds of trash tattoos, ugly figures squeezed into too-tight clothes, cheap wigs, baby daddies and baby mommas, complete illiteracy combined with willful ignorance, and so on and so forth. I’m feeling as though I’d rather die in my sleep than go back to work and see them all again tomorrow.
    exactly, for example there is a huge influx of Asain women marrying American men, why? like the cars of the 80′s domestic models are overpriced and underperforming. I don’t want to be judgementel but free markets are not man made they do occure in nature.

    I’m a big fan of Asian immigration. Most are conservative and become big in business. (Or is that a racist generalization?) The women are mostly gorgeous too. (Have I got there yet?)

    Dog question.

    Does anyone know a cheap way to get canine insulin? My mothers dog just got diabetes and she is on extremely limited budget. $89 a bottle is ridiculous, and she already got rid of all of the insulin my father had.


  330. huckfunn
    330 | November 7, 2012 9:13 pm

    Bunk X wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Can I be your dog? You can save on the dry food.

    Yeah, I guess. But the first time I catch you eating out of kittie’s shitbox you go straight back to Kolifornia.


  331. Lily
    331 | November 7, 2012 9:13 pm

    Bunk X wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Never wear a Massachusetts Institute of Technology t-shirt to a polling place in LA.

    LOL! LOL! True! ;) It better be a damn LSU T-shirt or you are going to be looked at very funny!


  332. John Difool
    332 | November 7, 2012 9:13 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    Uhhhhhh my youngest son has tat’s and he isn’t trash and he is married and a good provider with a 15 month old baby and another on the way and he takes marriage and his wife and his children very seriously.

    I think it’s the exception not the rule. When I was coming up an ear ring or a tattoo was edgy & made one stand out as being sort of cool & unique.

    Now, you’re edgy ,you stand out & are unique if you have neither.


  333. Lily
    333 | November 7, 2012 9:16 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    1389AD wrote:

    I find myself envying nothreat.

    NoThreat, bless her heart. Her passing was a bad start to bad day.

    Indeed. :(


  334. 334 | November 7, 2012 9:16 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    Uhhhhhh my youngest son has tat’s and he isn’t trash and he is married and a good provider with a 15 month old baby and another on the way and he takes marriage and his wife and his children very seriously.

    But your youngest son is a MAN. And I presume he has artistically-done tats, not just all-caps gothic lettering of the name of some gang, pop star, or former paramour, together with a scattering of illegible, run-together blue-black smears.

    Let’s face it, not all that many tattoos look good on a woman.

    I’ve seen all kinds of ugly and cheaply-done and trampy-looking and outright disfiguring tats on women, sometimes on flabby and saggy body parts that should be concealed in public but aren’t.


  335. brookly red
    335 | November 7, 2012 9:16 pm

    Lily wrote:

    livefreeor die wrote:

    {Lily}
    I know what you and brookly red are saying. I have been feeling a strong spiritual presence in the last week when I prayed about the election. Glenn Beck today said he felt God’s presence but also felt that God was saying, “I’m here but I’m not giving you the easy path.”

    How many times has God been rejetted in the last 4 years……it’s just amazing….no it isn’t going to be easy.

    it’s as easy as breathing, temples have been destroyed before…


  336. huckfunn
    336 | November 7, 2012 9:18 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Well, Nancy did tell them they were REALLY gonna love what was inside the bill once they passed it.

    I hope that promise holds true.

    Heh Heh Heh Heh

    I hope somebody drops a house on her.


  337. Canoe Convoy
    337 | November 7, 2012 9:19 pm

    @ Speranza:
    @ Rodan:
    Strongly Agree with both of you. We are on the way to Peronist Argentina, only minus the Military Junta. Or, the Hunger Games.


  338. Lily
    338 | November 7, 2012 9:20 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    Uhhhhhh my youngest son has tat’s and he isn’t trash and he is married and a good provider with a 15 month old baby and another on the way and he takes marriage and his wife and his children very seriously.

    I think it’s the exception not the rule. When I was coming up an ear ring or a tattoo was edgy & made one stand out as being sort of cool & unique.

    Now, you’re edgy ,you stand out & are unique if you have neither.

    He has three that are easily covered up…plus he is a deputy with the sheriff’s department…which all of them have. They also get a discount at a certain tattoo palor if you are with Sheriff’s department. ;)


  339. Mars
    339 | November 7, 2012 9:20 pm

    My brother had a good one. He can’t wait till O says he inherited all these problems from the last administration.

    My joke was more tasteless. When Eric said what he wanted to hear from O I said “I’m immediately resigning and shooting Joe.”


  340. Daffy Duck
    340 | November 7, 2012 9:21 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Bunk X wrote:

    @ huckfunn:
    Can I be your dog? You can save on the dry food.

    Yeah, I guess. But the first time I catch you eating out of kittie’s shitbox you go straight back to Kolifornia.

    Bunk may gross you out worse than that, huck. Last night, he said, under a certain condition, that he would “eat a horse dick sandwich…”

    LOL :-)


  341. 341 | November 7, 2012 9:21 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Bunk X wrote:
    @ huckfunn:
    Can I be your dog? You can save on the dry food.

    Yeah, I guess. But the first time I catch you eating out of kittie’s shitbox you go straight back to Kolifornia.

    Probably with real cholera, if you eat fecal matter. :p


  342. coldwarrior
    342 | November 7, 2012 9:22 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ 1389AD:
    Uhhhhhh my youngest son has tat’s and he isn’t trash and he is married and a good provider with a 15 month old baby and another on the way and he takes marriage and his wife and his children very seriously.

    I think it’s the exception not the rule. When I was coming up an ear ring or a tattoo was edgy & made one stand out as being sort of cool & unique.
    Now, you’re edgy ,you stand out & are unique if you have neither.

    i have 2 tats


  343. 343 | November 7, 2012 9:22 pm

    @ Calo:
    If I’m not mistaken, there was no employer-provided health insurance coverage until Kaiser Steel used it to give raises to employees after the feds imposed price controls.


  344. brookly red
    344 | November 7, 2012 9:22 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    Uhhhhhh my youngest son has tat’s and he isn’t trash and he is married and a good provider with a 15 month old baby and another on the way and he takes marriage and his wife and his children very seriously.

    But your youngest son is a MAN. And I presume he has artistically-done tats, not just all-caps gothic lettering of the name of some gang, pop star, or former paramour, together with a scattering of illegible, run-together blue-black smears.

    Let’s face it, not all that many tattoos look good on a woman.

    I’ve seen all kinds of ugly and cheaply-done and trampy-looking and outright disfiguring tats on women, sometimes on body parts that should be concealed in public but aren’t.

    /you say that as if it was a bad thing LOL

    but seriously, women used to seek husbands, OK but the governmet is much less judgementel and can’t divorce you either


  345. Mars
    345 | November 7, 2012 9:22 pm

    Lily wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ 1389AD:
    Uhhhhhh my youngest son has tat’s and he isn’t trash and he is married and a good provider with a 15 month old baby and another on the way and he takes marriage and his wife and his children very seriously.
    I think it’s the exception not the rule. When I was coming up an ear ring or a tattoo was edgy & made one stand out as being sort of cool & unique.
    Now, you’re edgy ,you stand out & are unique if you have neither.

    He has three that are easily covered up…plus he is a deputy with the sheriff’s department…which all of them have. They also get a discount at a certain tattoo palor if you are with Sheriff’s department.

    Nice. I won’t get them myself but if you do keep them tasteful and hide able. I try not get too uptight on tattoos especially since I’ve been reading that most punk rock types tend to break conservative in their life.


  346. Lily
    346 | November 7, 2012 9:22 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    His tat’s are well done…plus if you saw him only one would show if he were in shorts the others are covered one on each bicep. And one is a tribal style eagle.


  347. John Difool
    347 | November 7, 2012 9:23 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Well, Nancy did tell them they were REALLY gonna love what was inside the bill once they passed it.
    I hope that promise holds true.
    Heh Heh Heh Heh
    I hope somebody drops a house on her.

    Well rumor has it she may be retiring before her term is up & she may not hold the minority leader position in the next Congress because will go to Wasserman-Schultz but it won’t make any difference her replacement will be just as batshit crazy as she is……maybe more.


  348. Brick
    348 | November 7, 2012 9:23 pm

    Mars wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    1389AD wrote:
    And most of them are still single because they’re empty-headed floozies who have absolutely nothing to offer anybody (and who refuse to offer anybody anything) other than sex. And probably bad sex at that, complete with STDs.
    Hell yeah I’m bitter. But I see the skanks who shop at our store every day. With all kinds of trash tattoos, ugly figures squeezed into too-tight clothes, cheap wigs, baby daddies and baby mommas, complete illiteracy combined with willful ignorance, and so on and so forth. I’m feeling as though I’d rather die in my sleep than go back to work and see them all again tomorrow.
    exactly, for example there is a huge influx of Asain women marrying American men, why? like the cars of the 80′s domestic models are overpriced and underperforming. I don’t want to be judgementel but free markets are not man made they do occure in nature.

    I’m a big fan of Asian immigration. Most are conservative and become big in business. (Or is that a racist generalization?) The women are mostly gorgeous too. (Have I got there yet?)
    Dog question.
    Does anyone know a cheap way to get canine insulin? My mothers dog just got diabetes and she is on extremely limited budget. $89 a bottle is ridiculous, and she already got rid of all of the insulin my father had.

    petmeds.com


  349. brookly red
    349 | November 7, 2012 9:25 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    Well, Nancy did tell them they were REALLY gonna love what was inside the bill once they passed it.

    I hope that promise holds true.

    Heh Heh Heh Heh

    I hope somebody drops a house on her.

    a house? LOL you mean THE house me thinks


  350. 350 | November 7, 2012 9:26 pm

    We need a woman like this featured in messages.

    Best wishes to her in everything she does!


  351. Mars
    351 | November 7, 2012 9:26 pm

    Yeah, I’m unemployed, overweight, and on disability. So I’m trying not to even look for a woman until two of those things are remedied. I have my kids every other week, but in between it’s like being alone no matter how many people are in the room.

    So hearing that most women out their have lost their minds almost makes me happy not to be looking.


  352. Lily
    352 | November 7, 2012 9:27 pm

    @ Mars:

    Oh dear both sons very conservative. LOL! ;)


  353. unclassifiable
    353 | November 7, 2012 9:28 pm

    Subject: Tough night
    Folks,

    First — I still believe our side was right.

    Second — I think that Mitt Romney would have made an excellent president. I believe him to be an honest and earnest patriot. Maybe I am repeating the first point but I believe we had the right message and the right man.

    Third --The majority of American voting citizens have disagreed with the first two points. They have chosen to learn from experience. We have no choice but to live amongst them. We do not have to agree and we do not have to necessarily be quiet about it. But, I have looked over the world and this country is still the last best hope on earth for peace and freedom. This does not make our collective citizenry any smarter but it at least still allows them to wise up if they choose to see what I believe will eventually befall all of us.

    Take care and try to keep your outlook bright.


  354. darkwords
    354 | November 7, 2012 9:28 pm

    @ 105 buzzsawmonkey: That is a good summary of how people voted. A dual message needed to be delivered in the tabloids. Vote your dick lose your job… Etc. Something to wake people up to a priority.


  355. Canoe Convoy
    355 | November 7, 2012 9:28 pm

    The news was so heartbreaking last night — intensified by some other patrons who were whooping and hollering every time another state was projected for Obama. Where is our Winston Churchill ?


  356. lobo91
    356 | November 7, 2012 9:29 pm

    @ Mars:

    So hearing that most women out their have lost their minds almost makes me happy not to be looking.

    That’s certainly been my experience.


  357. Mars
    357 | November 7, 2012 9:29 pm

    Brick wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    1389AD wrote:
    And most of them are still single because they’re empty-headed floozies who have absolutely nothing to offer anybody (and who refuse to offer anybody anything) other than sex. And probably bad sex at that, complete with STDs.
    Hell yeah I’m bitter. But I see the skanks who shop at our store every day. With all kinds of trash tattoos, ugly figures squeezed into too-tight clothes, cheap wigs, baby daddies and baby mommas, complete illiteracy combined with willful ignorance, and so on and so forth. I’m feeling as though I’d rather die in my sleep than go back to work and see them all again tomorrow.
    exactly, for example there is a huge influx of Asain women marrying American men, why? like the cars of the 80′s domestic models are overpriced and underperforming. I don’t want to be judgementel but free markets are not man made they do occure in nature.
    I’m a big fan of Asian immigration. Most are conservative and become big in business. (Or is that a racist generalization?) The women are mostly gorgeous too. (Have I got there yet?)
    Dog question.
    Does anyone know a cheap way to get canine insulin? My mothers dog just got diabetes and she is on extremely limited budget. $89 a bottle is ridiculous, and she already got rid of all of the insulin my father had.

    petmeds.com

    Nope tried them already. At the discount they are also 90 bucks.


  358. Lily
    358 | November 7, 2012 9:30 pm

    @ Mars:

    Not all women have lost their minds. LOL!


  359. huckfunn
    360 | November 7, 2012 9:31 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    a house? LOL you mean THE house me thinks

    More like this.


  360. 361 | November 7, 2012 9:31 pm

    @ huckfunn:
    “Momma, I gotta zit on my forehead.”
    “Okay, I’ll make an appointment.”


  361. Canoe Convoy
    362 | November 7, 2012 9:32 pm

    @ 1389AD: Concur.


  362. Lily
    363 | November 7, 2012 9:32 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    Subject: Tough night
    Folks,

    First — I still believe our side was right.

    Second — I think that Mitt Romney would have made an excellent president. I believe him to be an honest and earnest patriot. Maybe I am repeating the first point but I believe we had the right message and the right man.

    Third --The majority of American voting citizens have disagreed with the first two points. They have chosen to learn from experience. We have no choice but to live amongst them. We do not have to agree and we do not have to necessarily be quiet about it. But, I have looked over the world and this country is still the last best hope on earth for peace and freedom. This does not make our collective citizenry any smarter but it at least still allows them to wise up if they choose to see what I believe will eventually befall all of us.

    Take care and try to keep your outlook bright.

    Very well said and Amen to that! :)


  363. lobo91
    364 | November 7, 2012 9:32 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:

    Not all women have lost their minds. LOL!

    The single ones mostly have.


  364. Mars
    365 | November 7, 2012 9:33 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Oh dear both sons very conservative. LOL!

    I hope my kids turn out that well. With one very conservative parent and a lesbian anti-obama voter it could be up for grabs, lol.


  365. John Difool
    366 | November 7, 2012 9:33 pm

    Not a big fan of Lady GaGa but she recently gave 1 million dollars to the Red Cross to help out the Sandy victims & not Oba’Mao like the pos Bill Maher.mfhorn wrote:

    We need a woman like this featured in messages.
    Best wishes to her in everything she does!

    Yes, The GOP needs to get a GOTV operation like the Dems have in Organizing for America & send people like her door to door in minority communities.


  366. Canoe Convoy
    367 | November 7, 2012 9:33 pm

    Another thing that concerns me is the SCOTUS selections. This second term will haunt our nation for a long time, perhaps permanently.


  367. Lily
    368 | November 7, 2012 9:33 pm

    @ mfhorn:

    I am scared to click that link…I’m sure we will know soon enough..for one REVENGE is on the menu. :(


  368. buzzsawmonkey
    369 | November 7, 2012 9:34 pm

    Oh, God. Alan Grayson is back in the House.

    And J Street got 70 out of its 71 picks.


  369. Mars
    370 | November 7, 2012 9:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Not all women have lost their minds. LOL!

    The single ones mostly have.

    That’s how it feels. And as I’ve been informed by everyone including my own mother. I’m just not what women are looking for.


  370. Lily
    371 | November 7, 2012 9:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:

    Not all women have lost their minds. LOL!

    The single ones mostly have.

    I know a couple single women very conservative. Ones a cop. ;)


  371. Canoe Convoy
    372 | November 7, 2012 9:37 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Another thing is that many of these single women will not allow any input at all from the men in their relationships. Far too many have the attitude where its their way or the highway. When I encounter that, I hit the road. I look forward to a mate, not a second boss, or someone who is “always right.”


  372. lobo91
    373 | November 7, 2012 9:37 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Oh, God. Alan Grayson is back in the House.

    And J Street got 70 out of its 71 picks.

    Yup…Grayson’s back, and West is probably out.

    Not a good trade.


  373. Canoe Convoy
    374 | November 7, 2012 9:39 pm

    One thing for certain is that the Rs have to reach out to minorities. The demographics of our nation are changing, and you have to sell conservatism to folks.


  374. Lily
    375 | November 7, 2012 9:39 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Oh dear both sons very conservative. LOL!

    I hope my kids turn out that well. With one very conservative parent and a lesbian anti-obama voter it could be up for grabs, lol.

    My best advice is pray for them ….very hard.


  375. brookly red
    376 | November 7, 2012 9:40 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:

    Not all women have lost their minds. LOL!

    well the rug has been pulled out from under them… what do you expect when the gubermit messes around with nature? How do you reconsile a millinon years of child rearing with “punished by a baby” ? I don’t even blame Obama he is only a symptom, not the illness.


  376. John Difool
    377 | November 7, 2012 9:40 pm

    Canoe Convoy wrote:

    Another thing that concerns me is the SCOTUS selections. This second term will haunt our nation for a long time, perhaps permanently.

    I’m not really worried about the SCOTUS picks as I feel Oba’Mao swinging the court to far-left extreme will be the catalyst to start Red State secession from the union.

    In fact, it may be just what the doctor ordered.


  377. Lily
    378 | November 7, 2012 9:41 pm

    @ Mars:

    *OUCH*


  378. Mars
    379 | November 7, 2012 9:41 pm

    Lily wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    @ Mars:
    Not all women have lost their minds. LOL!
    The single ones mostly have.

    I know a couple single women very conservative. Ones a cop.

    I know a couple too. They were my lieutenants in the College Republicans I brought back to life. Way WAY out of my league.


  379. Brick
    380 | November 7, 2012 9:42 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Brick wrote:
    Mars wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    1389AD wrote:
    And most of them are still single because they’re empty-headed floozies who have absolutely nothing to offer anybody (and who refuse to offer anybody anything) other than sex. And probably bad sex at that, complete with STDs.
    Hell yeah I’m bitter. But I see the skanks who shop at our store every day. With all kinds of trash tattoos, ugly figures squeezed into too-tight clothes, cheap wigs, baby daddies and baby mommas, complete illiteracy combined with willful ignorance, and so on and so forth. I’m feeling as though I’d rather die in my sleep than go back to work and see them all again tomorrow.
    exactly, for example there is a huge influx of Asain women marrying American men, why? like the cars of the 80′s domestic models are overpriced and underperforming. I don’t want to be judgementel but free markets are not man made they do occure in nature.
    I’m a big fan of Asian immigration. Most are conservative and become big in business. (Or is that a racist generalization?) The women are mostly gorgeous too. (Have I got there yet?)
    Dog question.
    Does anyone know a cheap way to get canine insulin? My mothers dog just got diabetes and she is on extremely limited budget. $89 a bottle is ridiculous, and she already got rid of all of the insulin my father had.
    petmeds.com

    Nope tried them already. At the discount they are also 90 bucks.

    Well, shit. Here’s a thought, just spitballing -- diabetes in people can be mitigated by diet. Specifically controlling the type and amount of carbs. Check the ingredients of the dog food. Maybe switching food could have a positive effect? Find one with a protein/fat only content?


  380. Lily
    381 | November 7, 2012 9:43 pm

    @ brookly red:

    Well in a sense you are right we have been barrelling down a path to this..and this is what we got …Obama.


  381. John Difool
    382 | November 7, 2012 9:43 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Oh, God. Alan Grayson is back in the House.
    And J Street got 70 out of its 71 picks.

    Yup…Grayson’s back, and West is probably out.
    Not a good trade.

    West has filed a lawsuit for a recount. Bachmann’s challenger has done the same in Minnesota & we all know how recounts go up there.


  382. unclassifiable
    383 | November 7, 2012 9:44 pm

    @ Lily:

    It was a leter I sent out this morning to my consrvative co-workers.


  383. Lily
    384 | November 7, 2012 9:45 pm

    @ Mars:

    Never know …dazzle them with your brilliance! ;)


  384. Mars
    385 | November 7, 2012 9:45 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:
    *OUCH*

    Yeah.


  385. Calo
    386 | November 7, 2012 9:45 pm

    @ Bunk X:
    Bunk, yes I believe you are correct.
    Kaiser Steel (?) did introduce the concept of healthcare benefits for their employees and then furthered the concept into their own hospitals and physicians who are paid a salary and a bonus at year end for meeting budgetary goals of their healthcare organization. Interesting system. I worked at a Kaiser facility for a few years. The ER dice favorite order to send a patient up to the ICU with was No Code.

    Budgets!


  386. brookly red
    387 | November 7, 2012 9:46 pm

    Canoe Convoy wrote:

    One thing for certain is that the Rs have to reach out to minorities. The demographics of our nation are changing, and you have to sell conservatism to folks.

    WRONG. R’s have to be who we are and welcome minorities, once you compromise you are dead, and I don’t mean politicaly I mean spiritualy. I would rather lose a thousand elections than 1% of my sole… can you dig it? LOL


  387. Mars
    388 | November 7, 2012 9:46 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Oh, God. Alan Grayson is back in the House.
    And J Street got 70 out of its 71 picks.
    Yup…Grayson’s back, and West is probably out.
    Not a good trade.

    West has filed a lawsuit for a recount. Bachmann’s challenger has done the same in Minnesota & we all know how recounts go up there.

    Al Frankens underwear.


  388. Lily
    389 | November 7, 2012 9:47 pm

    @ unclassifiable:

    An excellent one at that too. Like my son said..one of the strangest elections he has ever seen…but what is …is.


  389. Calo
    390 | November 7, 2012 9:47 pm

    Regular unleaded gas at $2.89/gallon in Texas.
    Bite me.


  390. coldwarrior
    391 | November 7, 2012 9:47 pm

    Canoe Convoy wrote:

    One thing for certain is that the Rs have to reach out to minorities. The demographics of our nation are changing, and you have to sell conservatism to folks.

    message and marketing.

    the yahoos might not like including those catholic latins on the right but it is a natural fit. most latin immigrants are strong catholics and are by definition already more conservative than the average american


  391. 392 | November 7, 2012 9:48 pm

    New Thread.


  392. Mars
    393 | November 7, 2012 9:48 pm

    Lily wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Never know …dazzle them with your brilliance!

    I do that quite frequently. I’m like a “brother” to half the women in a three state area.


  393. Lily
    394 | November 7, 2012 9:48 pm

    @ Calo:

    8-) {{Calo}} Like I said if obama won the south is were to be …..


  394. 395 | November 7, 2012 9:50 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    The lovely Missus X was a complete liberal when we married. “Reagan? What an asshole!” was one of her comments. Another was “HA! I cancelled out your vote!” So I axed her why she would vote for people that wanted to destroy our income source, and she had no answer, but she thought about it.
    Now she’s a bigger Rush fan than I am, and although she’s still a registered Dem, she votes the GOP ticket and against liberal Propositions. As for Bunkessa and Bunkarina, I don’t ask. One gets it, one doesn’t.


  395. 396 | November 7, 2012 9:51 pm

    unclassifiable wrote:

    But, I have looked over the world and this country is still the last best hope on earth for peace and freedom. This does not make our collective citizenry any smarter but it at least still allows them to wise up if they choose to see what I believe will eventually befall all of us.

    I think it is truly all over and done with.

    What if there no longer is any last, best hope on earth for peace and freedom (which, btw, I see as mutually exclusive)? What if we have to wait for a few hundred years for a new one to develop…or not?

    I personally think that our insistence on democracy and equality carried with it the seeds of its own destruction, and that it isn’t coming back.


  396. coldwarrior
    397 | November 7, 2012 9:52 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    I personally think that our insistence on democracy and equality carried with it the seeds of its own destruction, and that it isn’t coming back.

    i’ll stay and fight.


  397. Mars
    398 | November 7, 2012 9:56 pm

    Calo wrote:

    Regular unleaded gas at $2.89/gallon in Texas.
    Bite me.

    Damn that’s cheap. We have two refineries and we’re at 3.59 though we are dropping to 3.49 tonight.


  398. unclassifiable
    399 | November 7, 2012 9:57 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    Well basically, I just can’t quit breathing so I got to hang around and figure this thing out.


  399. 400 | November 7, 2012 9:58 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I’m sorry, but your Lot has just been condemned under eminent domain.

    And it’s going to be razed first, then left undeveloped for the next twenty years due to lack of public funds, EPA regulations, and specious evidence that a endangered microscopic nematode might be using your property for intercontinental migration.


  400. Mars
    401 | November 7, 2012 10:00 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Canoe Convoy wrote:
    One thing for certain is that the Rs have to reach out to minorities. The demographics of our nation are changing, and you have to sell conservatism to folks.

    message and marketing.
    the yahoos might not like including those catholic latins on the right but it is a natural fit. most latin immigrants are strong catholics and are by definition already more conservative than the average american

    Yeah I do agree. Catholic hispanics are by nature far more conservative even than your average catholic in this country. I respect the hell out of my local hispanics. In fact I had a really good friend here in politics that was Hispanic and ran several pretty good campaigns. He lost a few years back and I’m not sure what happened after that. (His son is also Downs syndrome.) Good solid republican and thought he had a lock on his community. Unfortunately his mostly hispanic community went heavily native american and he was no longer able to edge out the democrat.


  401. 402 | November 7, 2012 10:27 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Stole that.


  402. 404 | November 7, 2012 10:33 pm

    Hmmm. Looks like we need an OOT, eh? Gimme a coupla minutes.


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