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Bitterfest 2012

by Speranza ( 314 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Elections 2012, Mitt Romney, Politics, Republican Party, Socialism at November 8th, 2012 - 2:00 pm

Although he made some mistakes, Romney ran the best campaign he could. That he failed was the public’s fault. America lost the chance to have a real professional in the Oval Office.

by Jay Nordlinger

Four years ago, at just this time, I wrote a column headed “Bitterfest ’08.” I pledged a couple of weeks ago that I would not write such a column this year. I pledged to myself, I mean. I said, “If Romney loses, I’m not going to write another Bitterfest column. Just not gonna do it.” I had several reasons, all good.

But here I go . . .

  I got started early on this year’s Bitterfest — with an Election Night blogpost, here. I cited an Obama slogan: “Mitt Romney: Not one of us.” Yes, Mitt Romney is not one of them, I said — not one of Obama’s “us.” Neither am I.

What are we, some kind of American remnant? Well, perhaps. But that seems a little dark, even for me . . .

  Here is something else from that blogpost (not that I’ll repeat the whole thing): The American public took a look at Obama and his record. They took a look at Mitt and his. And they said, “Four more years!” Four more years of Obama, and all he represents.

You might say they were snookered the first time, in ’08. This time they knew what they were getting — and asked for it. Demanded it.

Okay.

  Every time a Republican presidential nominee loses, I hear the same thing, from Republicans, and especially from movement-conservative types: “The candidate wasn’t good enough. He should have done this, that, or the other thing. Or he should have been someone else. Then the people would have voted for us. Our standard-bearer was defective.”

I think this is baloney, particularly in 2012. The voters had a clear choice. Each presidential nominee was a good — very good — representative of his point of view. The voters had plenty of information, no matter how biased the media are. They had plenty of good, solid information. Conventions, debates, etc.

And they chose.

The Left is winning, in more than the electoral sense. The Left is winning culturally — psychologically, spiritually, if you will. They control education, the entertainment industry . . . need I give the whole list?

We are talking about some deep matters here, not about simple electioneering. I trust you know what I mean.

[.........]

  I think the people — the holy, sacred people — are wrong about movies, music, morality. A whole range of things. But they’re supposed to be brimming with wisdom when they enter the voting booths on Election Day?

That would be strange.

  I think Romney would have made an excellent president — a superb, sterling president. Perhaps an historic one, the “turnaround artist” we needed. There’s no way to find out, of course. It would have had to be tested.

  I suppose people didn’t care that he had extensive business experience. In fact, it may have worked against him. Say what you will about Obama’s background: At least it’s not tainted by business! Grubby, unseemly business.

What’s business good for, anyway? Jobs, prosperity, vitality? Hey, who needs business when ya got government?

Honestly, if people don’t respect businessmen, that makes perfect sense. They’ve been told all their lives, through movies and television and everything else, that businessmen are villainous. Sometimes these things have an effect, you know? That’s why people do them — make movies and such.

(I told you this would be a bitterfest. Credit me with truth in labeling, if with nothing else.)

  In our culture — as manufactured by Hollywood — businessmen are the villains, time after time. And the heroes? Lawyers, political activists, journalists, environmentalists. You know the deal.

  At the end of the ’08 campaign, Obama promised people that he would “fundamentally transform” our nation. Did he mean that businessmen would cease to be villains? No, no. Anyway, the people said, “Go ahead.” And they’ve now said, “We like it. Keep doing it.”

I was tremendously heartened by the tea-party movement. I had thought the country would go quietly unto social democracy. I thought they wanted to be Norway (without the oil, of course, because the people, through their elected representatives, won’t permit the acquisition of American oil). But the tea-party movement represented hope. Maybe there was life in the old gal yet. Maybe people still wanted the Constitution, fiscal discipline, and free enterprise.

They were demonized so quickly and thoroughly, the tea-party people. Tarred as racist. Once they succeed in tarring you as racist, you’re pretty much done.

Some time ago, a young woman was talking to me about a human-rights heroine in the Arab world. She belonged to an Islamist party (the heroine did). But don’t worry, said the young woman: It’s like how you can be a Republican and still not have sympathy with the tea-party people.

Ah, I see.

Anyway, it could be that the tea party was kind of the last gasp of Constitutionalism and free enterprise. A final spasm, before the Left achieves its dream of making our country like Europe.

The main Obama slogan was “Forward.” And “forward,” from these people, means lefter — more toward Europe, more toward social democracy and socialism. More toward collectivism in general. Ever bigger government, ever greater government dependence, an ever smaller private sphere.

It could be that Reaganism was a mere parenthesis — a brief slowing-down in this march “forward” toward Obama’s, and the Left’s, ideals.

  I’ve made this point a million times — I hope longtime readers will forgive the repetition: Conservatives always say that the Left monopolizes education, K through graduate school. And then when left-wing candidates win elections, these conservatives say, “Blow me down, how did that happen?!”

I was educated by the Left, like everyone else. But what they fed me, I largely spat out, eventually. It would not be normal for most people to do this. Most people accept what they’re taught. Hasn’t that been true in every time and place forever? (I don’t claim to be the Durants or someone.) (Wish I were.)

  The Left has . . . what? They have education, the movies, entertainment television, popular music, the news media — the core shaping institutions.

And we have . . . what? Country music, talk radio, and NASCAR?

Ain’t enough! Need more juice!

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  For the next four years, conservatives will be clinging to their guns and their religion more than ever, that’s for sure.

  Hey, won’t it be exciting to see what Obama’s “flexibility” leads to!

  And Obamacare! Like Julia, we’re wedded to the government forever. Amen.

  In this campaign, Mitt Romney did not have merely Obama and the Democrats to overcome: He had the grievance culture, the entitlement culture, and the Hollywood culture to overcome. These cultures, together, have triumphed in American life.

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  Perhaps the current America simply would not and could not elect a Mitt Romney. He is, in a way, out of his time. Out of step. A throwback. That’s one reason I like him so.

In America today, we have 14-year-olds screwing like banshees. Everyone thinks that’s cool, or most people do. We have abortion on demand. Nobody gets married, except gays. Divorce is over 50 percent, I believe. It’s “no fault” divorce at that. “The culture is a sewer,” as my friend Mark Helprin says.

Could a Mitt Romney win in this environment? An environment that adores Bill Clinton? Cool is king. Obama is cool. Romney is not. He’s square.

You know that Obama sex ad, the one appealing to the hookup culture? “When it’s your first time, make sure it’s with a really cool guy — but not your husband, ha ha ha!” I have paraphrased. But you know the ad I’m talking about.

If that ad doesn’t backfire but actually succeeds, Romney can’t win.

There is no place for Ozzie Nelson in this culture. There is a place, of course — but not an election-winning place. A remnant place. You get to be the target on Saturday Night Live. Never the cool kid, never the mainstreamer.

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  Romney wanted the continuation of American primacy in the world. As the 20th century was the “American Century,” he wanted the 21st century to be an American century. The public, I gather, is not much into that. Decline is a choice. And the people may well be saying, “Yes, please.”

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  I would find Obama’s victory this week easier to swallow if he had not campaigned like such a scoundrel — if he had not painted Romney as a plutocrat, felon, and traitor who would give your wife cancer and put y’all back in chains. (Obama had some help from his partners and friends, true.)

It’s one thing to be a left-winger who leads the country to ruin, wittingly or not. But do you have to be an SOB while you’re doing it?

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  I’ve said it a million times: There’s nothing compassionate about economic collapse. You think some belt-tightening is painful? Try economic collapse. You can ask the Grecians (as a great man once said). (Other than Keats, I mean.)

  Ahmadinejad was dead-right, I’m afraid: You can’t hold a $16 trillion debt and be a world power. Out of the mouths of genocidal maniacs . . .

  I doubt that many Americans were impressed by Romney’s acts of charity — his charitable giving. Charity is passé, even quaint (like so much about Mitt). If you want to give, you give to the government. And then government gives to the needy, on the government’s terms.

I remember a very good half-hour on Firing Line between Bill Buckley and Michael Kinsley. They were talking about the basics of life: the relationship between the citizen and the state, etc. And the subject of charity came up, somehow. Kinsley exploded, “People shouldn’t have to receive charity!” (I’m paraphrasing, but closely.) “They are owed payments by the government because they’re human beings!”

[........]

He also says that resistance to higher taxation is “unpatriotic,” as you know. (None dare call it McCarthyism.)

  I wonder: Is there enough oil and natural gas under private lands to keep us going? Because there’s no way in hell the Left will let us explore or drill elsewhere, no matter how discreetly, benignly, and beneficially we do it.

Let’s hope that importing is easy and convenient . . .

  Did Hurricane Sandy tip it for Obama? I don’t know how you’d measure such a thing. On MSNBC, Chris Matthews said, “I’m so glad we had that storm last week.” I’m sure he is.

(I have since learned he apologized for the remark.)

  If Obama had lost, I wonder how he would have behaved. Graciously? Like Mitt? Or no?

  Well, we won’t have to worry about the integrity of the Constitution. Because, no matter what the administration does, John Roberts will be there to stop what is unconstitutional. Yessiree, that’s our chief: caring not a fig about political pressures . . .

  Last Inauguration Day, Roberts messed up Obama’s presidential oath. This Inauguration Day, things should be pretty chummy between the two.

  The people saw the vice-presidential debate. And they wanted Obama-Biden anyway. Sometimes a cliché is handy: There’s no accounting for taste.

  “The bad old Republicans favor the rich!” say the Democrats. The thing about the rich: They’re going to be fine regardless. They’re not depending on Social Security and Medicare in their old age. They’re not looking for a job. They’re not worried about paying for groceries. In good times and bad, they’re basically fine.

No, it’s the less well off who need a robust economy. Why Republicans don’t make this point, routinely, is a mystery.

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  The Left should like America better now, right? And Europe should too, right? Among Europeans, there is a certain kind of pro-American, you may have discovered: He thinks America is okay when the people elect Democrats. Otherwise, no.

There is a certain kind of pro-Israel person too — or semi-pro-Israel person: He thinks the country is okay — legitimate — when the people have the wisdom to elect Labor. But when they’re so foolish or malevolent as to elect Likud, all bets are off.

You’ve met this type, right? If you haven’t, or would like to, you can read the New York Times.

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  It’s not very usual for a House member to be a vice-presidential nominee. William E. Miller was, in 1964. Later, there was an American Express ad, featuring him: “Do you know me?” I wonder how many did.

I will be interested to watch the career of Paul Ryan, that admirable man.

  I believe this about the election: that we gave it our best shot. That we “put it all on the field,” leaving “nothing in the locker room,” as Romney said. I think he was an excellent nominee. He made some mistakes — but anyone would. We worked hard. We had plenty of money. We offered a clear choice. Romney was a first-class alternative to Obama.

And the people said no. “Four more years!”

The thing is, in a democracy, the people decide. It’s their responsibility. They determine what kind of country we’ll be. All you can do is offer them an honest choice. They do the rest.

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  1. Mars
    1 | November 8, 2012 2:05 pm

    From Ulsterman. You have to see this crap to believe it.


  2. Speranza
    2 | November 8, 2012 2:13 pm

    Israel will be around long after Obama.


  3. 3 | November 8, 2012 2:18 pm

    Oh, joy. Holder may be gone, so they are going to shoot for worse:

    The second term game of Obama cabinet musical chairs kicked into high gear Thursday when Attorney General Eric Holder suggested that he might leave soon. He would join Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Treasury Secretary Tim Geither and Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood on the exit list.

    Names immediately surfaced of those who might replace Holder including Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, who has steered her department through controversial issues and come out generally unscathed.

    Senate sources said that she would be a good pick for Obama since she has years of experience in the area and is generally well regarded in Congress.

    Crappy Nappy for AG! Well, they’re going to force Susan Rice on us for Sec State. Maybe they can get Charles Manson to do a cameo as some cabinet-level official, too. Why not? It’d be one of the less insane things to come out of the Second Obamanation….


  4. RIX
    4 | November 8, 2012 2:22 pm

    We really have to face it, America has spoken & it was bitter.
    There is a visceral hatred of what is viewed as the established
    order.
    Translated , that is White Males & any White female that is not
    down with the struggle.
    This may an empty victory. There was a huge stock sell off
    yesterday & you know that capital is fleeing off shore.
    Ya can’t stick it to da man, if he has secured his stuff
    somewhere else.


  5. 5 | November 8, 2012 2:32 pm

    An email I just sent my wife:

    Yeah, and I agree that our family comes first. It is too late to save the nation, but we can do whatever we must to preserve our space in the world. I think America is done. In ten or fifteen years, we’ll be part of a Second Southern Confederacy, one that is rooted in the Original Constitution (minus slavery, of course). The Northeast and Left Coast will be budding North Korean-style Socialist Utopias. People will be starving to death there inside of twenty years. We have to get through the time in between, and that’ll be hard enough. Obama intends to destroy America, and I don’t think he’ll be content if a rump America is left to vex the Left with its “startling” success vis a vis the Socialist Paradises on the Left Coast and in the Northeast. We may not break up on Obama’s watch, though. The real crisis could be as far as ten years down the road, but it comes when we reach the logical end of borrowing from the future to blow the cash in the now. When that happens, the Red States and the Blue States just have to part ways. That won’t be easy. The plan of Blue States like California is to cannibalize the Red States to pay for their unsustainable lifestyles for a few more years. We can’t let that happen.

    The future as I see it. Obama is a symptom, but the disease is deeper than that.


  6. 6 | November 8, 2012 2:42 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Israel will be around long after Obama.

    Expect them to buddy up to Russia now. They have common enemies in the MB.


  7. 7 | November 8, 2012 2:43 pm

    @ RIX:

    Republicans need to learn the politics of personal destruction. I have been saying this the whole year. We also have to start reaching newer voters. We need to make the Democrats the establishment and us the rebels.

    Also the Republicans need to drop the lets make the world a better place spread democracy crap. We need a selfish foreign policy.


  8. RIX
    8 | November 8, 2012 2:56 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Republicans have got to identify Hispanics that are really not
    cultural Democrats.
    There needs to be a big push on campus & they need to peel away
    single woman by making it clear that nobody is after their contraception.
    I agree with you fight fire with fire.
    Why weren’t Catholics & other Christians carpet bombed with the story
    of Obama’s support for infanticide during the BAIPA debate?


  9. 9 | November 8, 2012 2:59 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I have been saying this the whole year. We also have to start reaching newer voters.

    If we could have gotten our old voters to the polls, we would have won. That is amazing to me. How anyone who voted for McCain (McCain!) could have stayed home while Obama won re-election is beyond me.


  10. 10 | November 8, 2012 3:03 pm

    @ RIX:

    Republicans do not know how to fight.


  11. 11 | November 8, 2012 3:05 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think many of them died. Let’s face reality, the Democrats are replenishing their ranks. We can’t depend on the current base forever. We need to expand our base.


  12. 12 | November 8, 2012 3:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    We need to expand our base.

    3 million didn’t die. That’d basically mean that only republicans died for the last four years. No, many, most of them even, sat at home. And how do you broaden the base? the Hispanic vote? They are mostly Catholic and they voted for the most anti-Catholic President in our history by a margin of 7-8 to 2-3. How do you reach out to them? We can’t promise them more goodies from the Government Grab-bag. Sorry, but that will still break the Country. We offered them religious freedom, and they rejected it in favor of government cheese. We can’t do outreach to such folks.


  13. MikeA
    13 | November 8, 2012 3:10 pm

    .@ Iron Fist:

    As John Wayne is supposed to have said,

    Life is hard, its hard when you’re stupid


  14. 14 | November 8, 2012 3:12 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    An email I just sent my wife:

    Yeah, and I agree that our family comes first. It is too late to save the nation, but we can do whatever we must to preserve our space in the world. I think America is done. In ten or fifteen years, we’ll be part of a Second Southern Confederacy, one that is rooted in the Original Constitution (minus slavery, of course). The Northeast and Left Coast will be budding North Korean-style Socialist Utopias. People will be starving to death there inside of twenty years. We have to get through the time in between, and that’ll be hard enough. Obama intends to destroy America, and I don’t think he’ll be content if a rump America is left to vex the Left with its “startling” success vis a vis the Socialist Paradises on the Left Coast and in the Northeast. We may not break up on Obama’s watch, though. The real crisis could be as far as ten years down the road, but it comes when we reach the logical end of borrowing from the future to blow the cash in the now. When that happens, the Red States and the Blue States just have to part ways. That won’t be easy. The plan of Blue States like California is to cannibalize the Red States to pay for their unsustainable lifestyles for a few more years. We can’t let that happen.

    The future as I see it. Obama is a symptom, but the disease is deeper than that.

    It is about the complete loss of the rule of law.

    Another symptom is vote fraud. More and more evidence is coming up, and some of us are compiling it.

    http://1389blog.com/category/evil/crime/election-fraud/

    Contributions of evidence and links eagerly accepted.

    Oh, and by the way:

    Valerie Jarrett has been re-elected, and will run in her own right in 2016. Mark my words.

    RIX wrote:

    We really have to face it, America has spoken & it was bitter.
    There is a visceral hatred of what is viewed as the established
    order.
    Translated , that is White Males & any White female that is not
    down with the struggle.
    This may an empty victory. There was a huge stock sell off
    yesterday & you know that capital is fleeing off shore.
    Ya can’t stick it to da man, if he has secured his stuff
    somewhere else.

    Those people who bash the ones who have stashed their cash (and perhaps themselves) overseas, are secretly wishing they could do the same.

    Oh, and by the way, what is happening to Zimbabwe right now. Evidently, they can no longer borrow jack $#!+ from anybody so they’re trying to extract loans from banks via blackmail.

    Sound familiar?

    That’s where the US grabbermint is headed too.


  15. 15 | November 8, 2012 3:13 pm

    doriangrey
    Am I hiring? The business has about 5 employees. I hired my neice to be manager at $30,000 a year and then 4 employees at $10 and hour. If the economy keeps going south, I might try to replace the $10 employees with $9 employees. That will only save me $6680 over 12 months, but still . . .


  16. 16 | November 8, 2012 3:15 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Here is some facts about the udervote:

    2012 Florida, Obama received 20,158 more votes than in 2008. Romney
    received 173,867 more than McCain did in 2008. No undervote for either.

    In
    2012 Virginia, Obama received 73,182 less votes than in 2008. Romney
    was plus 46,249. Undervote for Obama, overvote for Romney.

    In 2012 Ohio, Obama received 11,377 less votes than in 2008. Romney was plus 91,932. Undervote for Obama, overvote for Romney.

    In New Hampshire, Obama received 17,260 less votes than in 2008. Romney was plus 9,744.

    The under vote came from deep blue states. not swing states.

    The last four years. No, many, most of them even, sat at home. And how do you broaden the base? the Hispanic vote? They are mostly Catholic and they voted for the most anti-Catholic President in our history by a margin of 7-8 to 2-3. How do you reach out to them?

    Easy, do like what Bush did. Talk to Hispanics with respect. They did not for Obama, they voted against the GOP. Obama may have been anti-Catholic, but many Hispanics view the GOP as against them. Hence it was viewed as a defensive vote. The Democrats have built up a huge infrastructure in the Hispanic community. Republicans will need to the same.

    When Ann Coulter who is openly anti-Hispanic is viewed as the face of your party, its a problem.

    The GOP also lost Asians 75 -20%. It was a vote against the GOP here as well.

    It’s a matter of messaging and reaching out. It has nothing to do with handouts. Rush is totally wrong.

    We need to make the young, Hispanic and Asians HATE the Democrats. Hatred wins elections. We need to adopt a message of resentment and hate towards the Democrats.


  17. 17 | November 8, 2012 3:21 pm

    I just heard that 3 million Southern Baptists sat out the vote because Romney is a Mormon.


  18. 18 | November 8, 2012 3:22 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I just heard that 3 million Southern Baptists sat out the vote because Romney is a Mormon.

    See my #16. There was no voter drop off in swing states. It was in deep blue or red states.


  19. 19 | November 8, 2012 3:24 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I just heard that 3 million Southern Baptists sat out the vote because Romney is a Mormon.

    I doubt that. We know a lot of Southern Baptists and that isn’t what we were hearing from any of them.

    On another topic:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/msm-ignored-oct-30-report-showing-us-dropped-out-of-top-10-in-prosperity-index/


  20. Speranza
    20 | November 8, 2012 3:26 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I just heard that 3 million Southern Baptists sat out the vote because Romney is a Mormon.

    Jerks! (if true) They deserve Obama the Islamophile. However I am skeptical about that report.


  21. 21 | November 8, 2012 3:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Obama may have been anti-Catholic, but many Hispanics view the GOP as against them.

    See, though, that just defies logic. Ann Coulter isn’t the face of the Republican PArty. You keep saying that the illegal alien issue isn’t the issue pushing Hispanics away from the GOP, but what else could it be. Obama is the most anti-Catholic President the United States has ever had. That includes Whigs, Democrats, Republicans, Jeffersonians, the whole gamut, going back to a time when anti-Catholicism bred signs saying “No Dogs or Irish in this Establishment” in businesses. He wants to force y’all to change your religion to accomodate the State’s priorities. That’ll include gay marriage before the end of his term once the Supreme Court signs off on his forcing you to pay for abortion and contraceptives. I’m sorry, but short of trying to deport American citizens who are hispanic, it is difficult to see what Obama could do to more turn y’all against him, but he won your demographic with ease.


  22. 22 | November 8, 2012 3:26 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    This is rumor is just excuse mongering.


  23. Speranza
    23 | November 8, 2012 3:27 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    This is rumor is just excuse mongering.

    I don’t believe it at all. Disinformation.


  24. buzzsawmonkey
    24 | November 8, 2012 3:29 pm

    It is coming out that in the Philadelphia polling places where GOP poll watchers were physically chased out, there was 90% turnout (most unusual anywhere, especially unusual in “minority” precincts) that went 99% for Obama. Possible, but has a very Soviet Union feel to it.

    Likewise, it is coming out that 1 in 5 voter registrations in Ohio were bogus. Twenty percent, folks.

    Romney lost several states by margins of maybe 40,000. We’re looking at the possibility that the election was stolen by the theft/fraud of perhaps 250,000 votes scattered over about 5 states—each an amount sufficiently small to appear plausible, and scattered widely enough to be hard to detect. Add to that the possibility of some Romney votes getting “lost”—it is very difficult to believe all those tens of thousands at the rallies stayed home sucking their thumbs on election day—and you have to consider the real possibility that while our elections appear to be “free,” they may very well have achieved Potemkin village status.


  25. 25 | November 8, 2012 3:29 pm

    1389AD wrote:

    I doubt that. We know a lot of Southern Baptists and that isn’t what we were hearing from any of them.

    This just something I read over at another conservative site http://www.freedomtorch.com. No way for me to verify it.


  26. 26 | November 8, 2012 3:31 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    I linked this earlier, but you must have missed it:

    Evangelical Christian voters turned out in record numbers according to a national post-election survey done by the Faith and Freedom Coalition. However, despite a 78 to 21 percent split in favor of Mitt Romney among white evangelicals, the coalition’s leader implied that Barack Obama’s win was catapulted by votes from youths and minorities.

    “Evangelicals turned out in record numbers and voted as heavily for Mitt Romney yesterday as they did for George W. Bush in 2004,” said Ralph Reed, chairman of Faith and Freedom Coalition. “That is an astonishing outcome that few would have predicted even a few months ago. But Romney underperformed with younger voters and minorities and that in the end made the difference for Obama.”

    Reed added that the election was a “tale of two cities” and said, “Evangelicals and faithful Catholics turned out in large numbers and voted overwhelmingly for religious liberty, the sanctity of life and marriage, and limited government. But younger voters and minorities turned out in even larger numbers [than] in 2008 and delivered Obama to victory.”

    Overall, not factoring religion or faith, Obama easily won the youth vote nationally, 67 percent to 30 percent.

    The evangelical vote increased in 2012 to a record 27 percent of the electorate. This was the highest share of the vote in modern political history for evangelicals, according to the FFC.

    That would include Southern Baptists. I’d say that if we turned out a record number of Evangelicals, that no significant portion of them sat at home. Evangelicals are already some of the most politically active people in th enation.


  27. Mars
    27 | November 8, 2012 3:31 pm

    I’m working on an article on what can be done and how. It’s based on some things I’ve put up on here the last few days and some things that I have actually seen working in the past.

    There’s also a few things from Rodans ideas, things that let us get shots in without turning into our enemies.

    We are going to have to look at this as political guerrilla warfare. The “big tent” needs to go up. Hell, the circus has already begun.


  28. Mars
    28 | November 8, 2012 3:34 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    It is coming out that in the Philadelphia polling places where GOP poll watchers were physically chased out, there was 90% turnout (most unusual anywhere, especially unusual in “minority” precincts) that went 99% for Obama. Possible, but has a very Soviet Union feel to it.
    Likewise, it is coming out that 1 in 5 voter registrations in Ohio were bogus. Twenty percent, folks.
    Romney lost several states by margins of maybe 40,000. We’re looking at the possibility that the election was stolen by the theft/fraud of perhaps 250,000 votes scattered over about 5 states—each an amount sufficiently small to appear plausible, and scattered widely enough to be hard to detect. Add to that the possibility of some Romney votes getting “lost”—it is very difficult to believe all those tens of thousands at the rallies stayed home sucking their thumbs on election day—and you have to consider the real possibility that while our elections appear to be “free,” they may very well have achieved Potemkin village status.

    I’ve been getting word that the numbers of votes compared to the on the ground counts from some precincts are very different. To the factor of hundreds. Way more votes came out than went in.

    Unfortunately this is all word of mouth and nothing can be confirmed.

    I’m just glad my state has voter ID and our elections are harder to rig.


  29. Speranza
    29 | November 8, 2012 3:34 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    I doubt that. We know a lot of Southern Baptists and that isn’t what we were hearing from any of them.

    This just something I read over at another conservative site http://www.freedomtorch.com. No way for me to verify it.

    It sounds like someone is spreading a lot of disinformation in order to increase conservative anger at each other.


  30. 30 | November 8, 2012 3:36 pm

    @ Mars:

    My state has voter ID, and we went 59-39 for Romney. It isn’t proof, of course, but I’d be interested to see if across the board voter ID states went for Romney while non-voter ID states were more likely to go for Obama. Oh, and hve they finished counting Florida, yet? It doesn’t really matter, but I was wondering who won in the end.


  31. 31 | November 8, 2012 3:41 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    but what else could it be

    I keep saying. It’s the GOP’s tone and lack of outreach. Bush who was one of the worst candidates ever got 44%. How did he do that? easy, by actually really trying to win the Hispanic vote. If you recall, I warned during the primary that Romney attacking Perry and Gingrich’s immigration stance would backfire. I was right.

    It’s not the issue of illegal immigration, it’s the way the whole tone is and for many Republicans it has become Hispanic=illegal. Rubio and Martinez warned about this. The Romney campaign did not do Hispanic outreach until it was too late.

    I’m sorry, but short of trying to deport American citizens who are hispanic, it is difficult to see what Obama could do to more turn y’all against him, but he won your demographic with ease

    .

    It was a vote against the GOP, not Obama. The Republicans did not have a serious Hispanic outreach program. I was warning about this months ago. I stopped because I did not want start a fight here. Obama spent the last 4 years building infrastructure in the Hispanic community. They were able to convince Hispanic, that Republicans hate them. It worked because the Republicans did not even try to counter argue the Democrats. By the time they did the well was poison.

    Hispanic where not the only group, Asians, Young people and single women also went for Dems. They did so because the Democrats did the same thing. They convinced these groups that Republicans hate them. Hence they came out and voted against the Democrats.

    Keep in mind that the Blue Wall states that Obama and the Dems have Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and PA are mostly white. Yet the White Working class there went for Obama. They did so for the same reason Hispanics, Asians and Young people did. The Democrats made them hate Republicans.

    The problem is broader than Hispanics, it’s the GOP’s lack of marketing skills.

    Instead of making excuses, Republicans will need to build infrastructure and micro target. We need to emulate the Left and not dismiss what they did.


  32. 32 | November 8, 2012 3:42 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    It sounds like someone is spreading a lot of disinformation in order to increase conservative anger at each other.

    Take it at face value. I’m not saying it’s true. There were many variables involved with the outcome. Hell, they’re still counting votes in FL.


  33. 33 | November 8, 2012 3:43 pm

    Mars wrote:

    I’m working on an article on what can be done and how. It’s based on some things I’ve put up on here the last few days and some things that I have actually seen working in the past.
    There’s also a few things from Rodans ideas, things that let us get shots in without turning into our enemies.
    We are going to have to look at this as political guerrilla warfare. The “big tent” needs to go up. Hell, the circus has already begun.

    Look forward to it.

    I love your idea of Conservative staking over part of the media.


  34. 34 | November 8, 2012 3:44 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Plus excuse making.


  35. Speranza
    35 | November 8, 2012 3:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Plus excuse making.

    It certainly does not pass the smell test. In fact freedomtorch should be ashamed for not sourcing it.


  36. 36 | November 8, 2012 3:46 pm

    I think there was massive voter fraud. I even think there is a possibility that the fix was in electronically all along. But. No matter what we find out and no matter how heinous the fraud turns out to be, no one is going to arrest Obama and put Romney in as president. The best that could ever happen would be an impeachment, and that isn’t happening.


  37. Speranza
    37 | November 8, 2012 3:46 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Hell, they’re still counting votes in FL.

    Yeah what is the matter with these states that take days to count their votes?


  38. 38 | November 8, 2012 3:47 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I saw a link on facebook, on my phone since I am at work, that showed that statement. Almost all the states with voter id went to Romney. All the areas that went Obama didn’t have it.


  39. 39 | November 8, 2012 3:48 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I still don’t see how outreach helps us. Obama versus the GOP should have been an easy decision for any Catholic. Catholics voting for Obama would be like blacks voting for Nathan Bdford Forrest, who was, BTW, a Democrat…


  40. 40 | November 8, 2012 3:48 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:
    Hell, they’re still counting votes in FL.
    Yeah what is the matter with these states that take days to count their votes?

    Further, why are winners called when not all the votes are in? Some as low as 25% counted were being rapidly called. What’s the deal with jamming our vital voting process through like a quickie with an ugly whore?


  41. 41 | November 8, 2012 3:49 pm

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I saw a link on facebook, on my phone since I am at work, that showed that statement. Almost all the states with voter id went to Romney. All the areas that went Obama didn’t have it.

    I’m in NY and they didn’t ask me for ID.


  42. darkwords
    42 | November 8, 2012 3:49 pm

    Obama won the National Enquirer vote. He employed fear and revenge as his weapons of choice. He still hates America.


  43. 43 | November 8, 2012 3:49 pm

    @ PaladinPhil:

    That is suspicious. With Obama in th eWhite House, we won’t be seeing many more states requiring voter ID. Because it should be easier to vote than to buy beer, you know… :roll:


  44. 44 | November 8, 2012 3:50 pm

    @ Speranza:
    @ father_of_10:
    @ Urban Infidel:
    @ Iron Fist:

    If this happens, I am voting Libertarian.

    2016 election: Hillary Clinton vs. Jeb Bush?


  45. 45 | November 8, 2012 3:52 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I still don’t see how outreach helps us. Obama versus the GOP should have been an easy decision for any Catholic. Catholics voting for Obama would be like blacks voting for Nathan Bdford Forrest, who was, BTW, a Democrat…

    It’s not that simple. Obama and his micro targeting poisoned the well for Romney.

    Look at how Obama’s negative ads dug a big whole for Romney in Ohio. The Dems are better at this than we are. We need to learn.


  46. waldensianspirit
    46 | November 8, 2012 3:52 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I still don’t see how outreach helps us. Obama versus the GOP should have been an easy decision for any Catholic. Catholics voting for Obama would be like blacks voting for Nathan Bdford Forrest, who was, BTW, a Democrat…

    It doesn’t. Racial divide is growing and the American values are being discarded or not even picked up


  47. 47 | November 8, 2012 3:52 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Obama won the National Enquirer vote. He employed fear and revenge as his weapons of choice. He still hates America.

    He won the resentment vote. I heard a lot of ‘Romney’s-rich’-so-I’m-not-voting-for-him in the more stupid quarters.


  48. darkwords
    48 | November 8, 2012 3:53 pm

    @ 41 Urban Infidel: Obama was massaging the voter rolls for up to a year before the election. Looking at the low GoP turnout in such an important election, I do tend to think a lot of the stay at homes were anti Mormons upset about Joesph Smith still. Maybe more work with religious leaders would have helped. I also think the GoP failed to leverage Ron Paul supporters. Though we laugh at them a lot, they had a serious smart enthusiastic contingent of supporters that were young. It would be interesting to learn how they actually voted and why.


  49. 49 | November 8, 2012 3:54 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    2016 election: Hillary Clinton vs. Jeb Bush?

    If that’s the best we have to offer, I might actually leave the country. Have no idea where I’d actually go, just sayin’..


  50. 50 | November 8, 2012 3:55 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    He won the resentment vote. I heard a lot of ‘Romney’s-rich’-so-I’m-not-voting-for-him in the more stupid quarters.

    Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  51. 51 | November 8, 2012 3:55 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    2016 election: Hillary Clinton vs. Jeb Bush?
    If that’s the best we have to offer, I might actually leave the country. Have no idea where I’d actually go, just sayin’..

    I will vote Libertarian.


  52. darkwords
    52 | November 8, 2012 3:55 pm

    @ 36 father_of_10: WEll maybe some fraud will leak out of some election being recounted in great detail. Then it could escalate.


  53. Mars
    53 | November 8, 2012 3:56 pm

    Apparently the media is going apeshit over Rush’s Santa Claus bit yesterday. Calling him every name in the book.


  54. RIX
    54 | November 8, 2012 3:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Republicans do not know how to fight.

    Now would be a good time to learn.


  55. 55 | November 8, 2012 3:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Urban Infidel:

    He won the resentment vote. I heard a lot of ‘Romney’s-rich’-so-I’m-not-voting-for-him in the more stupid quarters.
    Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It mattered not when I told them that Obama is quite wealthy and has made more money as a sitting president than ever before in history. I even tossed in the Clintons and John Kerry as some of the richest people in politics.


  56. 56 | November 8, 2012 3:57 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That’s Politico’s masturbation fantasy. That way they couldn’t lose nomatter who wins. I think the Country and the Republican Party are sick of the Bushes. If Jeb runs I don’t think he’ll be anywhere near as popular as he thinks he will be. OTOH,

    This is interesting:

    Mitt Romney only lost his presidential bid on Tuesday night. So when does the courting of voters for the Republican 2016 nomination begin? How about next week?

    Florida Senator Marco Rubio is heading to the first caucus state of Iowa on Nov. 17 to headline an annual campaign fundraising birthday party for Iowa governor Terry Branstad.

    Last year all the presidential hopefuls, except for Mitt Romney, came to the party to court the governor and Iowa political dignitaries who attended the bash.

    The governor’s spokesperson, Tim Albrecht, a caucus expert himself, told ABC News that Branstad invited Rubio “a couple of months ago” and is “excited he accepted.”

    “Sen. Rubio is a star within our party,” Albrecht said. “We were excited Sen. Rubio accepted, and regardless of what happened on Tuesday he was going to come, and it guarantees a successful fundraiser.”

    My bet this early on, for what that’s worth, is that Rubio is the man to beat. You want to talk outreach to Hispanics? If Rubio can’t win them over, they aren’t winnable.


  57. darkwords
    57 | November 8, 2012 3:58 pm

    Any serious leadership test Obama will fail. HE let himself be ran by his need to be re elected as POTUS.


  58. RIX
    58 | November 8, 2012 4:00 pm

    The Catholic Church put on a full court press
    to defeat Obama.
    But Catholics split 50/50!


  59. 59 | November 8, 2012 4:00 pm

    I’m thinking a scorched earth policy. I am also thinking that conservatives need to be blatant about holding the liberals in disdain; we need to be in their face about their idiocy.

    Then there’s my thoughts on the fiscal cliff.


  60. darkwords
    60 | November 8, 2012 4:01 pm

    haha Bitterfest 2012 i like it


  61. darkwords
    61 | November 8, 2012 4:02 pm

    Liberals need to be corrected in School Boards and local governments. Focus on personal responsibility and competition and talk against anything else.


  62. darkwords
    62 | November 8, 2012 4:04 pm

    @ 58 RIX:
    Well i have a friend who is past child rearing years and she voted her body. No concern whatsoever about jobs, about Israel.

    How do you persuaded someone like that unless they have an actual revelation from G-d


  63. Lily
    63 | November 8, 2012 4:06 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Republicans need to learn the politics of personal destruction. I have been saying this the whole year. We also have to start reaching newer voters. We need to make the Democrats the establishment and us the rebels.

    Also the Republicans need to drop the lets make the world a better place spread democracy crap. We need a selfish foreign policy.

    I don’t know if that would have mattered in this election anyway. If our culture is corrupt and surely it is..how can you make people think that trillions of dollars in debt is more important than abortion? Or Big Bird? Whether or not ones realizes it the obama campaign ran on social issues…voting for obama is like having sex for the first time?? Really? Yet the American people felt this is fine. I found it outrageous..but not 1/2 of Americans. Our freedom of Religion is under attack…yet that didn’t even spur people to get out and vote against an atheist/pro-Islam president. Our foreign policy is in the sewer siding with our enemies and watching our people die and doing nothing. No none of that would have helped with people thinking like this. Our culture has embraced evil…and voted in evil. Because obama surely didn’t keep his mask on during this election….revenge, hate, racism, Romney evil (although he is an American), death threats against Romney if he won, New black panther intimation at some voting sites..there is a rot in America and we are reaping from that rot.


  64. 64 | November 8, 2012 4:08 pm

    I also think we underrated Obama’s lingering glow with his followers since we have just been so completely horrified by this presidency.


  65. Guggi
    65 | November 8, 2012 4:09 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Maybe they can get Charles Manson to do a cameo as some cabinet-level official, too.

    I doubt it. If he were a Latino or a Black, then yes, but as a white man, no.


  66. 66 | November 8, 2012 4:10 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Maybe they can get Charles Manson to do a cameo as some cabinet-level official, too.

    I hear Bashir Assad is looking for a job.


  67. 67 | November 8, 2012 4:11 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    we need to be in their face about their idiocy.

    This.


  68. 68 | November 8, 2012 4:11 pm

    Sultan Knish has some interesting thoughts on ‘what we lost.’


  69. 69 | November 8, 2012 4:13 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Rubio won 60% of them in Florida. Nationally he will get 40-45%. But the problem is bigger than Hispanics. It’s Asians, Young people and Single Women.

    As for Bush vs. Clinton, don’t rule it out. The Republican Establishment will go all in for Jeb Bush.


  70. waldensianspirit
    70 | November 8, 2012 4:13 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    If Rubio can’t win them over, they aren’t winnable.

    Think Allen West or Clarence Thomas could win the blacks over?


  71. Lily
    71 | November 8, 2012 4:14 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Republicans have got to identify Hispanics that are really not
    cultural Democrats.
    There needs to be a big push on campus & they need to peel away
    single woman by making it clear that nobody is after their contraception.
    I agree with you fight fire with fire.
    Why weren’t Catholics & other Christians carpet bombed with the story
    of Obama’s support for infanticide during the BAIPA debate?

    They were in a sense..they knew about it and didn’t care. Absolutely didn’t care about infanticide in the least. They were more concerned with and I quote some obama voters,
    “I am unemployed but voted for obama because this nation is still racist.”
    “I voted for obama because he really cares about the American people.”
    (could have fooled me because he has no concern about American lives Benghazi he watched Americans die)
    “I voted for obama because I know what the Republicans are all about and it is greed and more wars.”
    (again could have fooled me obama himself is pretty damn rich and started a war in Libya.)


  72. 72 | November 8, 2012 4:15 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Maybe they can get Charles Manson to do a cameo as some cabinet-level official, too.

    Obama would get away with it.


  73. waldensianspirit
    73 | November 8, 2012 4:15 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I also think we underrated Obama’s lingering glow with his followers since we have just been so completely horrified by this presidency.

    Obama also makes life harder for people they hate so they like that better than having their own quality of life improve


  74. MikeA
    74 | November 8, 2012 4:15 pm

    @ RIX:

    Seems to be a lot of CINO’s out there. I am not catholic but if you are, then part of that is to believe in the church doctrines. People look at religion as a cafeteria style pick what you want.


  75. yenta-fada
    75 | November 8, 2012 4:17 pm

    Canadian opinion here. The government is run by crooks as is Wall Street. Paper currencies will catch fire. Look after yourselves because NO ONE in government will do it for you. This admin will kick the can down the road faster than any other. At the same time, they will increasingly divide the country by race and social class. This blog will remain ahead of the curve of hopelessly uninformed masses.
    (that last one was from the magic eight ball in my head)


  76. Guggi
    76 | November 8, 2012 4:17 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    If we could have gotten our old voters to the polls, we would have won. That is amazing to me. How anyone who voted for McCain (McCain!) could have stayed home while Obama won re-election is beyond me.

    Face it but what I’ve figured out is that it was indeed about religion. Everyone I asked about Romney I got the answer: OmG, he is a Mormon. American Journalists on TV here only argued against Romney that he is a Mormon. Sometimes it was absurd because when asked what else do you have against him the answer was: didn’t you hear it, he’s a Mormon !
    Me thinks that many Catholics stayed at home because of their disgust against Mormonism.


  77. 77 | November 8, 2012 4:18 pm

    @ Lily:

    Yup, the Democrats have successfully created a climate of hate of Republicans.


  78. 78 | November 8, 2012 4:18 pm

    So what ever happened to our military votes? Did they get ever get counted or were they ‘lost at sea’? Or eaten by Bo the dog?


  79. Lily
    79 | November 8, 2012 4:19 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    I have been saying this the whole year. We also have to start reaching newer voters.

    If we could have gotten our old voters to the polls, we would have won. That is amazing to me. How anyone who voted for McCain (McCain!) could have stayed home while Obama won re-election is beyond me.

    People didn’t care..or wanted to teach a lesson..or didn’t want a mormon and a catholic…who knows..but they stayed at home. There was enough information out there to know this country is in dire straights..yet they didn’t care to go and vote. I read our country wrong. I thought “Now they see who obama really is!” Boy was I wrong.
    All the warning flags were thrown up despite the media carrying obama’s water. Mitt would have been an excellent president. But no…even with obama’s base not as fired up he still won. Riddle me that?


  80. 80 | November 8, 2012 4:20 pm

    Have you ever wondered, What if? Serious Question here… What if….


  81. 81 | November 8, 2012 4:21 pm

    @ Lily:

    The drop off in votes came from Deep Blue and Deep Red states. In Swing states, Romney increased his votes over the McCain totals. But it was not good enough.


  82. heysoos
    82 | November 8, 2012 4:21 pm

    nominate a young, groovy, laid back, good haired talker and promote him like a rock star….nobody will care what he says, just blab all the usual drivel and people will eat it up…people love clones and copy cats…it’s all in the pitch, the presentation…to hell with the issues, they’re too complicated, but people love being part of an event…BO did it, just shamelessly mimic his gig


  83. yenta-fada
    83 | November 8, 2012 4:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Yup, the Democrats have successfully created a climate of hate of Republicans.

    I just saw some Dem Senate talking head on Bloomberg blame the Republicans for everything. He said “Tea Party” just before his head exploded. /


  84. 84 | November 8, 2012 4:22 pm

    @ Lily:

    Micro targeting, that’s why.


  85. 85 | November 8, 2012 4:22 pm

    @ yenta-fada:

    It worked. I warned everyone here about what was going on.


  86. 86 | November 8, 2012 4:23 pm

    I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that Romney got 3 million fewer Republican votes than McCain. In an election like this, how the hell do you not show up?


  87. 87 | November 8, 2012 4:23 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Paper currencies will catch fire.

    Dow down 261 points yesterday, down 121 today, it’s already burning…


  88. 88 | November 8, 2012 4:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Yup, the Democrats have successfully created a climate of hate of Republicans.

    Yes. I was reading the comments over at Romney’s facebook page yesterday and it is a roiling spew of pure hatred coming from the Barrybots--the real mob. Like a fusion of Occupy and thug culture. Real nasty.


  89. heysoos
    89 | November 8, 2012 4:24 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that Romney got 3 million fewer Republican votes than McCain. In an election like this, how the hell do you not show up?

    it called the Honey Boo Boo Effect


  90. 90 | November 8, 2012 4:25 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that Romney got 3 million fewer Republican votes than McCain. In an election like this, how the hell do you not show up?

    What makes you so sure they didn’t show up. Joesph Stalin said, “It’s not important how many votes are cast, only who counts the votes”.

    Serious Question here… What if….


  91. Lily
    91 | November 8, 2012 4:25 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    We need to expand our base.

    3 million didn’t die. That’d basically mean that only republicans died for the last four years. No, many, most of them even, sat at home. And how do you broaden the base? the Hispanic vote? They are mostly Catholic and they voted for the most anti-Catholic President in our history by a margin of 7-8 to 2-3. How do you reach out to them? We can’t promise them more goodies from the Government Grab-bag. Sorry, but that will still break the Country. We offered them religious freedom, and they rejected it in favor of government cheese. We can’t do outreach to such folks.

    This truly preplexes me…the Hispanic vote went against the tenets of the Church who most certainly warned them of who excatly obama is …yet they rejetted God and his tenets for a man who is everything against the morals of the Catholic Church! How in the hell do you fix that?
    Not just Hispanic Catholic’s…but apparently a lot of Catholic’s. They are Christian in name only…those who voted against their own Churches warnings?? What they didn’t believe what the Church had to say? Or just rejetted it so they could have more sex, free abortions, free birth control (which by the way was already free before obama even brought this up with this war on women crap)…it’s insanity to be honest.


  92. yenta-fada
    92 | November 8, 2012 4:25 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Have you ever wondered, What if? Serious Question here… What if….

    I just looked at the discussion points. They seem quite relevant to me. I think OBAMA was surprised that he won, frankly. Voter fraud played a big part. All of the usual suspects that we flog to death here combined to bring America to its knees by Executive Orders. Expect more of the same. grrrrr.


  93. 93 | November 8, 2012 4:26 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    2012 Florida, Obama received 20,158 more votes than in 2008. Romney
    received 173,867 more than McCain did in 2008. No undervote for either.

    In
    2012 Virginia, Obama received 73,182 less votes than in 2008. Romney
    was plus 46,249. Undervote for Obama, overvote for Romney.

    In 2012 Ohio, Obama received 11,377 less votes than in 2008. Romney was plus 91,932. Undervote for Obama, overvote for Romney.

    In New Hampshire, Obama received 17,260 less votes than in 2008. Romney was plus 9,744.

    The under vote came from deep blue states. not swing states.

    That undervote came only from Deep Red and Blus States.

    2012 Florida, Obama received 20,158 more votes than in 2008. Romney
    received 173,867 more than McCain did in 2008. No undervote for either.

    In
    2012 Virginia, Obama received 73,182 less votes than in 2008. Romney
    was plus 46,249. Undervote for Obama, overvote for Romney.

    In 2012 Ohio, Obama received 11,377 less votes than in 2008. Romney was plus 91,932. Undervote for Obama, overvote for Romney.

    In New Hampshire, Obama received 17,260 less votes than in 2008. Romney was plus 9,744.

    The under vote came from deep blue and red states, not swing states.

    These are the facts, in swing states Romney did better than McCain.


  94. 94 | November 8, 2012 4:26 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    In an election like this, how the hell do you not show up?

    I actually had to talk two conservative friends down in TExas of all places, into voting. She did and he didn’t because he registered late.


  95. coldwarrior
    95 | November 8, 2012 4:27 pm

    the gop failed to get its base out

    the gop lost in the single women column by a huge margin

    the gop lost the latin vote big

    the gop did poorly with young people/urbanites.

    so the gop has a real problem, first with the base, so the candidate is going to need to be more conservative, HOWEVER, this might turn off the chix and urabans.

    how to fix this conundrum? lets run a real conservative who says that gay marriage and the rest of the social crap is a states issue and leave it at that.

    actively court the latins, we dont need all of them, half will do just fine.

    every time we get trapped with the abortion/women’s rights issues. every damn time. are we too stupid not to see this and prevent this choke hold that the left does to us every 4 years?

    and then we botch the latin vote. they are mostly catholic and very stron family people, hellooooo!!!! this should be a natural fit. our socons sit there and bitch about family values and then go all anti-latin and boom! the very pro-family people they want are driven away! we are assuredly stupid.

    look, the gop won all over the map at the local level, so there is popularity in the message.

    we can run a true conservative and win with these groups if we are smart and dont fall for the same damn traps over and over and over again. put the socon issue thing back on the individual states were it belongs and maybe go actually talk WITH some latins next time.


  96. buzzsawmonkey
    96 | November 8, 2012 4:27 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I was reading the comments over at Romney’s facebook page yesterday and it is a roiling spew of pure hatred coming from the Barrybots--the real mob. Like a fusion of Occupy and thug culture. Real nasty.

    The Left: churlish in defeat, graceless in victory.


  97. 97 | November 8, 2012 4:27 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    it called the Honey Boo Boo Effect

    Now there’s a kid that makes post-natal abortion look like a pretty good idea….


  98. 98 | November 8, 2012 4:28 pm

    @ RIX:

    All you have to see are the Catholic Democrats I know here in California. They worship Pelosi, Biden, et al., anyone with a D after their name.

    As most of the ones I know are available to me only on my work Outlook as far as contacts — I have decided I am cutting every one of them loose in an email when I return to the office on Monday. Every time I see them, I’ll see someone who betrayed their church and betrayed their country.


  99. yenta-fada
    99 | November 8, 2012 4:28 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Yup, the Democrats have successfully created a climate of hate of Republicans.

    Yes. I was reading the comments over at Romney’s facebook page yesterday and it is a roiling spew of pure hatred coming from the Barrybots--the real mob. Like a fusion of Occupy and thug culture. Real nasty.

    The scapegoating of half of the U.S. population continues apace. There’s more than enough bitterness to go around. Very few will take responsibility for problems in their own lives. Call it a ‘hipster’ effect on a larger scale.


  100. eaglesoars
    100 | November 8, 2012 4:28 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    but I’d be interested to see if across the board voter ID states went for Romney while non-voter ID states were more likely to go for Obama.

    No. Virginia is a voter id state and we went for Obama


  101. Lily
    101 | November 8, 2012 4:29 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I just heard that 3 million Southern Baptists sat out the vote because Romney is a Mormon.

    Bingo! And Romney had a Catholic VP…a double whammy. Unbelievable.
    But hey…they weren’t concerned about their religious freeddoms??? They are in for a big surprise now aren’t they!


  102. 102 | November 8, 2012 4:29 pm

    @ Lily:

    The reason Hispanics voted for The Democrats is because the Dems micro-targetted them. They convinced them Republicans hate them. The Republicans did not try to even contest the Hispanic vote. The counted on the White working class. Guess what, their gamble failed. The GOP needs to build infrastructure in the Hispanic and Asian communities. The Democrats are better organized. Religion is not enough to get people to vote for you.


  103. 103 | November 8, 2012 4:30 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    My mom once told me anyone can learn to be a good loser. It’s the learning to be a good winner that separates the wheat from the chafe.


  104. yenta-fada
    104 | November 8, 2012 4:30 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I was reading the comments over at Romney’s facebook page yesterday and it is a roiling spew of pure hatred coming from the Barrybots--the real mob. Like a fusion of Occupy and thug culture. Real nasty.

    The Left: churlish in defeat, graceless in victory.

    I caught your statement on election day that you were out of town visiting your mother who is ill. Prayers for her.


  105. Lily
    105 | November 8, 2012 4:30 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    I don’t doubt it. At all.


  106. 106 | November 8, 2012 4:31 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that Romney got 3 million fewer Republican votes than McCain. In an election like this, how the hell do you not show up?

    What makes you so sure they didn’t show up. Joesph Stalin said, “It’s not important how many votes are cast, only who counts the votes”.

    Serious Question here… What if….

    It’s crossed my mind once or twice…….


  107. heysoos
    107 | November 8, 2012 4:31 pm

    coldwarrior hits a homer…
    “how to fix this conundrum? lets run a real conservative who says that gay marriage and the rest of the social crap is a states issue and leave it at that.”

    the far right is clueless to the damage they do to the party with heir socon rampages….they profess states rights then turn around and want social issues to become federal law…well said amigo


  108. Speranza
    108 | November 8, 2012 4:32 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    The reason Hispanics voted for The Democrats is because the Dems micro-targetted them. They convinced them Republicans hate them. The Republicans did not try to even contest the Hispanic vote. The counted on the White working class. Guess what, their gamble failed. The GOP needs to build infrastructure in the Hispanic and Asian communities. The Democrats are better organized. Religion is not enough to get people to vote for you.

    Some of the rhetoric from the candidates during the GOP primary debates frankly (and I am thinking Santorum, Bachmann and yes even Mitt Romney) came across way too hostile. Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich were far more reasonable.


  109. buzzsawmonkey
    109 | November 8, 2012 4:32 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    What makes you so sure they didn’t show up. Joesph Stalin said, “It’s not important how many votes are cast, only who counts the votes”.

    Serious Question here… What if….

    It is pretty well accepted that the Daley and LBJ machines stole the 1960 election for JFK—and that was just for good old-time boodle and power.

    Why would anyone doubt that, in an election which was between two utterly opposite ideological foes—capitalism/freedom and communism/servitude—every single stop was not pulled out by the side which had been building a nationwide voter fraud machine for forty years, and which, despite minor name changes, remained intact?

    It appears that the election could have been—may have been—stolen by the manipulation of as few as 250,000 votes in perhaps five key states.


  110. 110 | November 8, 2012 4:33 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Mine too. I thought between the fraud and the military votes Obama might pull out the win.


  111. Speranza
    111 | November 8, 2012 4:33 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    coldwarrior hits a homer…
    “how to fix this conundrum? lets run a real conservative who says that gay marriage and the rest of the social crap is a states issue and leave it at that.”
    the far right is clueless to the damage they do to the party with heir socon rampages….they profess states rights then turn around and want social issues to become federal law…well said amigo

    Welcome to the club! Put aside these divisive red meat issues and stick to a 10th amendment (states) position. We get distracted by a lot of crap.


  112. Speranza
    112 | November 8, 2012 4:35 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I just heard that 3 million Southern Baptists sat out the vote because Romney is a Mormon.

    Bingo! And Romney had a Catholic VP…a double whammy. Unbelievable.
    But hey…they weren’t concerned about their religious freeddoms??? They are in for a big surprise now aren’t they!

    Biden is a Catholic.


  113. Lily
    113 | November 8, 2012 4:37 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I still don’t see how outreach helps us. Obama versus the GOP should have been an easy decision for any Catholic. Catholics voting for Obama would be like blacks voting for Nathan Bdford Forrest, who was, BTW, a Democrat…

    It’s not that simple. Obama and his micro targeting poisoned the well for Romney.

    Look at how Obama’s negative ads dug a big whole for Romney in Ohio. The Dems are better at this than we are. We need to learn.

    We need to learn new tactic’s not go back to old evil Alinsky tactic’s…that’s making a deal with the devil to defeat the devil. No good can come from that. Just my opinion.


  114. 114 | November 8, 2012 4:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    That undervote came only from Deep Red and Blus States.

    That kinda makes sense, alas. In my heart, I’m all for the electoral college but I think I’d like to see more states apportion their votes according to the popular vote.


  115. Lily
    115 | November 8, 2012 4:38 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    darkwords wrote:

    Obama won the National Enquirer vote. He employed fear and revenge as his weapons of choice. He still hates America.

    He won the resentment vote. I heard a lot of ‘Romney’s-rich’-so-I’m-not-voting-for-him in the more stupid quarters.

    I have heard this too..and obama is what??? Begging on the street? Living the high-life on our tax dollars and enjoying every minute of it.


  116. 116 | November 8, 2012 4:39 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Biden is a Catholic.

    Yeah, so says he.


  117. Lily
    117 | November 8, 2012 4:40 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Apparently the media is going apeshit over Rush’s Santa Claus bit yesterday. Calling him every name in the book.

    Well there goes the media is going to be reporting more honestly now.


  118. 118 | November 8, 2012 4:40 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Biden is a Catholic.
    Yeah, so says he.

    Yea, but does Jesus Christ agree with him?


  119. waldensianspirit
    119 | November 8, 2012 4:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    The Democrats are better organized.

    Obama has been buying votes since day one with tax payer dollars. Unless you are willing to pay more per vote it will remain this way


  120. coldwarrior
    120 | November 8, 2012 4:41 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    coldwarrior hits a homer…

    walk off homer!

    :lol:


  121. heysoos
    121 | November 8, 2012 4:41 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Urban Infidel wrote:
    I just heard that 3 million Southern Baptists sat out the vote because Romney is a Mormon.
    Bingo! And Romney had a Catholic VP…a double whammy. Unbelievable.
    But hey…they weren’t concerned about their religious freeddoms??? They are in for a big surprise now aren’t they!

    Biden is a Catholic.

    and Heysoos is the Pope


  122. eaglesoars
    122 | November 8, 2012 4:42 pm

    Ok, everybody read this. Heather MacDonald of the Manhatten Institute

    Why Hispanics Don’t Vote for Republicans

    If Republicans want to change their stance on immigration, they should do so on the merits, not out of a belief that only immigration policy stands between them and a Republican Hispanic majority. It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation. Hispanics will prove to be even more decisive in the victory of Governor Jerry Brown’s Proposition 30, which raised upper-income taxes and the sales tax, than in the Obama election.

    And California is the wave of the future. A March 2011 poll by Moore Information found that Republican economic policies were a stronger turn-off for Hispanic voters in California than Republican positions on illegal immigration. Twenty-nine percent of Hispanic voters were suspicious of the Republican party on class-warfare grounds — “it favors only the rich”; “Republicans are selfish and out for themselves”; “Republicans don’t represent the average person”– compared with 7 percent who objected to Republican immigration stances.

    I spoke last year with John Echeveste, founder of the oldest Latino marketing firm in southern California, about Hispanic politics. “What Republicans mean by ‘family values’ and what Hispanics mean are two completely different things,” he said. “We are a very compassionate people, we care about other people and understand that government has a role to play in helping people.”

    And a strong reason for that support for big government is that so many Hispanics use government programs. U.S.-born Hispanic households in California use welfare programs at twice the rate of native-born non-Hispanic households. And that is because nearly one-quarter of all Hispanics are poor in California, compared to a little over one-tenth of non-Hispanics. Nearly seven in ten poor children in the state are Hispanic, and one in three Hispanic children is poor, compared to less than one in six non-Hispanic children. One can see that disparity in classrooms across the state, which are chock full of social workers and teachers’ aides trying to boost Hispanic educational performance.

    The idea of the “social issues” Hispanic voter is also a mirage. A majority of Hispanics now support gay marriage, a Pew Research Center poll from last month found. The Hispanic out-of-wedlock birth rate is 53 percent, about twice that of whites.

    The demographic changes set into motion by official and de facto immigration policy favoring low-skilled over high-skilled immigrants mean that a Republican party that purports to stand for small government and free markets faces an uncertain future.

    And by J. Christian Adams:

    GOP ‘Outreach’ to Hispanics Won’t Work

    There is only one way to obtain the support of Hispanics and other minorities eventually. Conservatives must first confront and destroy the credibility of the racial interest groups that serve as the gatekeepers to these communities. Once-relevant and noble groups like the NAACP, and others less noble such as LULAC and MALDEF, must be exposed as the frauds that they have become in 2012. Their finances and racialist agenda must be revealed and lampooned. Their racial extortion of corporate America must be confronted. The entire political operation of these groups must be vivisected by some of the brightest investigative and journalistic conservative minds.

    Otherwise, the skilled and experienced racial-antagonism operation of these racial organizations will keep the herd together, voting in solid blocks no matter how much “outreach” the GOP conducts after agreeing to amnesty.

    Here is the problem: few in the Republican Party have the guts to do it. They fear being called racists more than they fear losing elections. They would rather suffer a dozen defeats like Tuesday night than be called racist for going after the corrupt racial groups that prevent GOP outreach to minorities.

    In fact, many elected Republicans, including some governors, fear the wrath of these organizations as much as the arrival of the pox. Nothing terrifies them more than an NAACP press conference.

    So the talking heads and bloggers can moan about the need to “reach out” to minorities. But until Republicans find the guts to go after the well-funded groups that churn racial antagonism and keep minorities politically in line, nothing will work. You can’t appeal to minorities when a thick fearless establishment funded with hundreds of millions of dollars of corporate and foundation money is working to preserve the status quo, and nobody has the guts to fight them.


  123. 123 | November 8, 2012 4:42 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I actually had to talk two conservative friends down in TExas of all places, into voting. She did and he didn’t because he registered late.

    I live in a deep red state as well but for me, voting is cathartic. There was also the matter of “mandate” -- either creating one or denying one.


  124. waldensianspirit
    124 | November 8, 2012 4:44 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Btw, your idea of unlimited terms for POTUS? Welcome to Emperor Obama


  125. yenta-fada
  126. 126 | November 8, 2012 4:44 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Yea, but does Jesus Christ agree with him?

    I’m thinking he’s smarter than that.. ;)


  127. Lily
    127 | November 8, 2012 4:45 pm

    RIX wrote:

    The Catholic Church put on a full court press
    to defeat Obama.
    But Catholics split 50/50!

    Amazing isn’t it. But I had hoped the idiots in the Catholic Church who voted straight D would find it offensive that the Church was being attacked..nope. From family memebers who are Catholic..they said the Catholic Church is Republican and Republican’s are evil. Yep they no longer can see evil or good even though they go to Church. Even though the Church said they were under attack, they didn’t believe it. The devil sure has pulled the wool over this peoples eyes. How do you convert them to vote for their best interests..you can’t.


  128. 128 | November 8, 2012 4:46 pm

    Lily wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    The Catholic Church put on a full court press
    to defeat Obama.
    But Catholics split 50/50!

    Amazing isn’t it. But I had hoped the idiots in the Catholic Church who voted straight D would find it offensive that the Church was being attacked..nope. From family memebers who are Catholic..they said the Catholic Church is Republican and Republican’s are evil. Yep they no longer can see evil or good even though they go to Church. Even though the Church said they were under attack, they didn’t believe it. The devil sure has pulled the wool over this peoples eyes. How do you convert them to vote for their best interests..you can’t.

    Well then, 50 percent of Catholics need to be excommunicated.


  129. 129 | November 8, 2012 4:46 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    I meant He’s smarter than that.


  130. Guggi
    130 | November 8, 2012 4:47 pm

    Lily wrote:

    I have heard this too..and obama is what??? Begging on the street? Living the high-life on our tax dollars and enjoying every minute of it.

    not only, isn’t he a millionaire himself because of his book sells ?


  131. buzzsawmonkey
    131 | November 8, 2012 4:47 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Btw, your idea of unlimited terms for POTUS? Welcome to Emperor Obama

    We had unlimited terms for POTUS right up until the Republicans decided to posthumously revenge themselves upon FDR. But whether Obama stays or goes after this term will not depend upon the Constitution; I suspect he’s had the Constitution printed onto his toilet paper so that he can literally as well as figuratively wipe his ass with it every day.


  132. Lily
    132 | November 8, 2012 4:48 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I also think we underrated Obama’s lingering glow with his followers since we have just been so completely horrified by this presidency.

    I think we thought the American people would come to their senses after everything he has done to hurt this country…we were so wrong.
    In fact it isn’t that easy to define what happened Tuesday night.


  133. 133 | November 8, 2012 4:49 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    Hey now! It isn’t her fault she’s Honey Boo Boo. Blame the adults around her.


  134. 134 | November 8, 2012 4:49 pm

    Too bad our Repbs in Congress and the Senate are not willing to fall on their swords for the future of the country. Here’s what I’m thinking. In regards to the fiscal cliff, the Dems are already in the process of making this tragedy a Republican problem. They are going to do ti by drafting a fix that will include stuff that the Repubs will NOT be able to sign on to. If that happens, the Repubs will vote against the fix, crap happens and it is blamed on the R’s.

    If the Republicans knuckle under, then the fix will be far worse than the problem. I am confident that the Dms have no idea how to fix the problem, so their only course is to make sure the R’s get the blame.

    Here’s my solution: Every Republican vote PRESENT for what the Dems propose. Not one yea and not one nay. Tell the Dems that it is their problem and they have to fix it without any input or involvement from the Republicans. If the Republicans all stuck together and did this, the Democrats would be scared shitless and they would be begging the Republicans for help. Then the R’s should propose a real fix and tell the Dems to do it the R way or forget it.

    But no one in congress has any balls.


  135. waldensianspirit
    135 | November 8, 2012 4:51 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    No doubt! :mrgreen:


  136. Lily
    136 | November 8, 2012 4:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Yup, the Democrats have successfully created a climate of hate of Republicans.

    Oh indeed it makes no sense they hate 1/2 the American people. Republicans are Americans they aren’t evil…try to get this into someones skull who is so totally brain-washed..you can’t. Now they are going to be reaping the real evil they so feared.


  137. Lily
    137 | November 8, 2012 4:53 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    So what ever happened to our military votes? Did they get ever get counted or were they ‘lost at sea’? Or eaten by Bo the dog?

    They went down in a plane crash last I heard.


  138. heysoos
    138 | November 8, 2012 4:54 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I also think we underrated Obama’s lingering glow with his followers since we have just been so completely horrified by this presidency.

    I think we thought the American people would come to their senses after everything he has done to hurt this country…we were so wrong.
    In fact it isn’t that easy to define what happened Tuesday night.

    apathy…a lot of Americans are very turned off by this ghastly dog and pony show, campaigning instead of serving, a couple of billion that could be better spent, all the rhetoric, lies, shucking and jiving….presidential elections, in my view, are the worst demonstration of who Americans are and what they take serious…it’s a disgrace and millions of people just refuse to participate and I don’t blame them


  139. 139 | November 8, 2012 4:54 pm

    I’d like someone to explain to me how the “issues” of blacks, Hispanics, women, Jews, paraplegic Armenians, or any other damned manufactured interest group are any different than that of my own white ass in a presidential election.

    And don’t even get me started on how women, who hold an edge in population, have been positioned as an aggrieved minority!

    Bitter? Oh, hell, you don’t know the half of it!


  140. 140 | November 8, 2012 4:54 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Biden is a Catholic.

    Make that a small ‘c’ Catholic. Very small.


  141. coldwarrior
    141 | November 8, 2012 4:54 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    mcdonald is flawed. californian mexicans are not the same as cuban floridians. had she titled her report ‘why californian mexicans dont vote gop’ then the study would be valid

    the latins are not monolithic. we only need 40-50% of them for now, not 100%


  142. Lily
    142 | November 8, 2012 4:55 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    The drop off in votes came from Deep Blue and Deep Red states. In Swing states, Romney increased his votes over the McCain totals. But it was not good enough.

    No it wasn’t enough..and honestly I don’t understand why…oh there is theroies abound..but the math isn’t adding up too well.


  143. Lily
    143 | November 8, 2012 4:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Micro targeting, that’s why.

    There wasn’t enough gays or women or hypnated-Americans to actually give the push..and shame on those women who actually thought there was a war on women..this election made NO SENSE. None what-so-ever.


  144. Guggi
    144 | November 8, 2012 4:57 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    Every Republican vote PRESENT for what the Dems propose. Not one yea and not one nay. Tell the Dems that it is their problem and they have to fix it without any input or involvement from the Republicans.

    I totally agree.


  145. 145 | November 8, 2012 4:58 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Obama has been buying votes since day one with tax payer dollars. Unless you are willing to pay more per vote it will remain this way

    It’s all about government cheese to these people who voted for Obama. TYhey voted in record numbers to keep the handouts coming. That is just the simple truth, and it is why no amount of “outreach” can work. We can’t out-bid the Democrats in this game. The Democrats want to bankrupt America. That is the goal, not just a feature of their plans. They want to bring the system down, so that they can replace it with a one-party Socialist State.


  146. 146 | November 8, 2012 4:59 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I’d like someone to explain to me how the “issues” of blacks, Hispanics, women, Jews, paraplegic Armenians, or any other damned manufactured interest group are any different than that of my own white ass in a presidential election.
    And don’t even get me started on how women, who hold an edge in population, have been positioned as an aggrieved minority!
    Bitter? Oh, hell, you don’t know the half of it!

    There you go, making all kinds of sense right there. I am sick to the back teeth hearing about every identity ‘gimme’ group under the sun. What the hell do they need that no one else does?


  147. 147 | November 8, 2012 4:59 pm

    @ Speranza:

    it’s all about micro-targeting. We need to stop making excuses.


  148. waldensianspirit
    148 | November 8, 2012 4:59 pm

    @ father_of_10:
    And every day read the national debt and Obama’s name into the congressional record


  149. Lily
    149 | November 8, 2012 5:00 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:

    In an election like this, how the hell do you not show up?

    I actually had to talk two conservative friends down in TExas of all places, into voting. She did and he didn’t because he registered late.

    What was their reason for not wanting to vote???


  150. 150 | November 8, 2012 5:01 pm

    @ Lily:

    It makes perfect sense. The Democrats micro-targeted groups and made them hate Republicans. It’s a brilliant strategy. David Axelrod and Jim Messina are geniuses. We need to learn from them and emulate what they did in 2016.


  151. heysoos
    151 | November 8, 2012 5:02 pm

    oh look!…it’s 2012
    time to invent a voting machine that works…not
    Rio Rancho NM voters waited over 5 hrs to vote….not
    our fighting people are frozen out of the process…not
    polling locations are pimping candidates…not
    finding ballots in a box in a trunk…not
    calling states with only 25% tallied…not
    we have to untie these nots…I’m really underwhelmed


  152. 152 | November 8, 2012 5:02 pm

    @ Lily:

    The Democrats are masters of Projection. Republicans aren’t eveil. It is the Democrats who are evil. They simply successfully project their evil onto the Republicans to conceal their true nature.


  153. bluliner10
    153 | November 8, 2012 5:03 pm

    @ Lily:
    I think this story is bunk, never heard of Shindad, and amazingly not one mention of the crew. Just a plane crash and all the ballots may have burned up…nobody hurt or killed? What type of plane? Did the Air Force or whomever ground the fleet to determine the cause? Was it a Class A mishap, Class B mishap? A lot of questions here too.


  154. 154 | November 8, 2012 5:03 pm

    Lily wrote:

    What was their reason for not wanting to vote???

    They distrust/don’t like government period. They think that our current elections are a sham and that the world government has already taken over. They are also truthers as it fits in with their deep conspiracy world view. They hate Obama, don’t get me wrong, but they weren’t going to vote and I insisted.


  155. Lily
    155 | November 8, 2012 5:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    The reason Hispanics voted for The Democrats is because the Dems micro-targetted them. They convinced them Republicans hate them. The Republicans did not try to even contest the Hispanic vote. The counted on the White working class. Guess what, their gamble failed. The GOP needs to build infrastructure in the Hispanic and Asian communities. The Democrats are better organized. Religion is not enough to get people to vote for you.

    With a candidate like obama what do you do? Nothing sticks to him he actually breaks laws…and then he gets voted back in. I don’t know how you fight it. (I also included all Catholic’s who voted for obama…it’s insanity!)


  156. bluliner10
    156 | November 8, 2012 5:05 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Actually it was Rove’s strategy, executed by the nobama camp. He was the master of micro targetting, it is why he had the spastic reaction to Michael Barone’s calling of Ohio.


  157. 157 | November 8, 2012 5:05 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    More excuses! How did Bush get 45% in 2004? If Republicans want to give up on the Hispanic vote then they will never win another Presidential election.

    Young people voted heavily Dem as did Asians. This is not Hispanic problem, it’s GOP not understanding how to appeal to voters problem.


  158. 158 | November 8, 2012 5:05 pm

    Iran fires on US drone.


  159. 159 | November 8, 2012 5:06 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Actually it was Rove’s strategy, executed by the nobama camp. He was the master of micro targetting, it is why he had the spastic reaction to Michael Barone’s calling of Ohio.

    It worked in 2004 for the GOP. It worked for the Dems in 2012. The truth is we lost because Obama ran a better campaign. The GOP fought the last war, the Dems fought a new war.


  160. waldensianspirit
    160 | November 8, 2012 5:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    made them hate Republicans

    It didn’t take much; rather validate their hate. And in many cases:

    themy hate Republicanswhites

    Read Obamabots online or even ones calling in to cspan.


  161. 161 | November 8, 2012 5:07 pm

    Micro-targeting shows how compartmentalized America has become. It’s not about America for the Democrats, it’s about the ‘me.’


  162. 162 | November 8, 2012 5:07 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Republicans need to emulate that evil. That is the only way to win.


  163. Lily
    163 | November 8, 2012 5:07 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    coldwarrior hits a homer…
    “how to fix this conundrum? lets run a real conservative who says that gay marriage and the rest of the social crap is a states issue and leave it at that.”

    the far right is clueless to the damage they do to the party with heir socon rampages….they profess states rights then turn around and want social issues to become federal law…well said amigo

    And obama didn’t run on *social issues*? yes he did and boy oh boy it got him votes..Big Bird..abortion, late-term abortion, womens rights (which were never in danger)…how do you conteract that? The economy doesn’t matter to these people…


  164. 164 | November 8, 2012 5:08 pm

    Kafir wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    Hey now! It isn’t her fault she’s Honey Boo Boo. Blame the adults around her.

    Well, I was being facetious, I would probably stop if she walked out in front of my car. :D

    Seriously though, I find it horrifying that so many people don’t find that type of TV fare horrifying. It’s just depressing borderline child abuse with people tuning in as voyeurs.


  165. livefreeor die
    165 | November 8, 2012 5:08 pm

    One thing we can do to O now is make sure his legacy is forever tied to his cowardice with Benghazi. Impeach now!


  166. bluliner10
    166 | November 8, 2012 5:08 pm

    @ Rodan:
    Just don’t want to give too much credit to the creepy duo. They executed the playbook very well. They sure as hell don’t have the smarts to create it.


  167. 167 | November 8, 2012 5:08 pm

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Republicans don’t help themselves either. They make stupid statements and then its used against them.

    Republicans need to study marketing and Public relations.


  168. Lily
    168 | November 8, 2012 5:09 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Catholic in name only…he isn’t really that much Catholic to be honest.


  169. 169 | November 8, 2012 5:09 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Just don’t want to give too much credit to the creepy duo. They executed the playbook very well. They sure as hell don’t have the smarts to create it.

    They executed a brilliant battle plan. Mitt Romney advisers thought this was 1980. It was 2012 and the Democrats grasped that.


  170. buzzsawmonkey
    170 | November 8, 2012 5:09 pm

    Anybody else remember the ventriloquist Senor Wences, who used to appear on the Ed Sullivan Show? He did ventriloquism with his hand, painted up to look like a face, and he had a “head” in a box that was constantly yelling, “Open the box! Close the box!”

    Somebody needs to do some Senora Wantsthis ventriloquism on YouTube, with a hand painted to represent a talking vagina, and maybe a little bit of “close the box!” action, to try and explain—with humor—why the high-traffic Sandra Fluke lifestyle is the wrong way to go.


  171. buzzsawmonkey
    171 | November 8, 2012 5:11 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    It’s not about America for the Democrats, it’s about the ‘me.’

    The “Me Generation” has had kids, who are the “Uber-Me Generation.”


  172. Lily
    172 | November 8, 2012 5:11 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Urban Infidel wrote:
    I just heard that 3 million Southern Baptists sat out the vote because Romney is a Mormon.
    Bingo! And Romney had a Catholic VP…a double whammy. Unbelievable.
    But hey…they weren’t concerned about their religious freeddoms??? They are in for a big surprise now aren’t they!

    Biden is a Catholic.

    and Heysoos is the Pope

    Excatly.


  173. 173 | November 8, 2012 5:12 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Conservatives must first confront and destroy the credibility of the racial interest groups that serve as the gatekeepers to these communities

    .

    I agree with this. That’s why I said the GOP needs to build infrastructure.


  174. 174 | November 8, 2012 5:14 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Micro-targeting shows how compartmentalized America has become. It’s not about America for the Democrats, it’s about the ‘me.’

    Remember the Army’s (horrible) tagline “An Army of One”? I want to be “An Interest Group of One”.


  175. waldensianspirit
    175 | November 8, 2012 5:16 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Biden is a Catholic.

    and Heysoos is the Pope

    Harry Reid is a Mormon


  176. 176 | November 8, 2012 5:18 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Remember the Army’s (horrible) tagline “An Army of One”? I want to be “An Interest Group of One”.

    You’ve got something there.


  177. 177 | November 8, 2012 5:18 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Harry Reid is a Mormon


  178. buzzsawmonkey
    178 | November 8, 2012 5:20 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    I’d like someone to explain to me how the “issues” of blacks, Hispanics, women, Jews, paraplegic Armenians, or any other damned manufactured interest group are any different than that of my own white ass in a presidential election.

    And don’t even get me started on how women, who hold an edge in population, have been positioned as an aggrieved minority!

    Bitter? Oh, hell, you don’t know the half of it!

    Identity politics, without voter ID.

    Here’s the thing about “not talking about socon issues on the national level, but only on the state level.” It won’t work, for one very simple reason. The states are the farm team for national political figures; you start out at the state level, where you talk about social issues—where you have to talk about them—and you will have a record when you try to get to the national stage.

    And social issues are important. I’m not talking about Big Bird and “binders of women,” I’m talking about school choice and curriculum; the morals of, not the individual abortion, but of the pro-abortion culture which devalues women and children and the concept of personal responsibility; that religion is important not because of the sect you belong to or your personal concept of God so much as the recognition of personal responsibility (as distinct from government responsibility) and interconnectedness, etc.

    These things are important, and they have to be talked about. They must be talked about on the state and local level in order to lay the groundwork for being able to talk about them also on the national level—for it is only by recognizing the importance of personal responsibility at the local level that people can be brought to understand, once again, the concept that the government’s powers not only are limited (by the limits of finance and practicality), but should and must be limited not only because of the Constitution, but for the safety of us all.


  179. Lily
    179 | November 8, 2012 5:21 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    The Catholic Church put on a full court press
    to defeat Obama.
    But Catholics split 50/50!

    Amazing isn’t it. But I had hoped the idiots in the Catholic Church who voted straight D would find it offensive that the Church was being attacked..nope. From family memebers who are Catholic..they said the Catholic Church is Republican and Republican’s are evil. Yep they no longer can see evil or good even though they go to Church. Even though the Church said they were under attack, they didn’t believe it. The devil sure has pulled the wool over this peoples eyes. How do you convert them to vote for their best interests..you can’t.

    Well then, 50 percent of Catholics need to be excommunicated.

    I don’t disagree … at all.


  180. buzzsawmonkey
    180 | November 8, 2012 5:21 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Harry Reid is a Mormon

    You’ve got an extra “m” in there, buddy.


  181. Lily
    181 | November 8, 2012 5:22 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    I have heard this too..and obama is what??? Begging on the street? Living the high-life on our tax dollars and enjoying every minute of it.

    not only, isn’t he a millionaire himself because of his book sells ?

    Yep and he sure does have a lot of money from being president..wonder were the rest came from?


  182. waldensianspirit
    182 | November 8, 2012 5:24 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    frikin’ communist keyboard


  183. 183 | November 8, 2012 5:24 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    waldensianspirit wrote:
    Harry Reid is a wMormon
    You’ve got an extra “m” in there, buddy.

    Heh.


  184. yenta-fada
    184 | November 8, 2012 5:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:
    It makes perfect sense. The Democrats micro-targeted groups and made them hate Republicans. It’s a brilliant strategy. David Axelrod and Jim Messina are geniuses. We need to learn from them and emulate what they did in 2016.

    A snip from radical Ann Barnhardt:

    I spoke to this point in my presentation, calling out the intellectually and morally superior people in society to reassert themselves and wrest back control of society from the imbeciles and psychopaths. Did you just squirm at my use of the phrase “intellectually superior”? I’ll bet you did. We have all been taught and inculcated to believe that any acknowledgement of intellectual superiority of anyone over anyone else is RACIST, and this capitulation to self-loathing and lack of character is why civilization is collapsing. Believe it or not, this is actually a failure in HUMILITY. Humility is NOT self-loathing or false modesty. The root of the word humble means HONEST. Humility is being HONEST about one’s self. Usually this means acknowledging one’s faults, but in other areas it means being honest about and acknowledging the POSITIVE aspects of one’s self.


  185. coldwarrior
    185 | November 8, 2012 5:26 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    most politicians never leave the state/local level.

    offer that the social issue should be put in a referendum for voters to decide at the state level and leave it at that.

    we cant keep making this same socon trap mistake over and over and over again. this cost us 3 senate seats and many voters for president yet we carried well in the house. we win at the local level.


  186. bluliner10
    186 | November 8, 2012 5:28 pm

    My first idea for breaking the democrat’s base --

    Abortion and the gays.

    Most gays are convinced they are born that way. I contend that it is a behavior, a choice. My argument for this: with all the study of the human DNA, nobody has found the gay gene. Gays will continually attempt to convince me that just because science has not found the natural cause to their “preference”, does not mean it is not there.

    How to separate -- how many parents are willing to give birth to a gay child? Do you support abortion now?


  187. eaglesoars
    187 | November 8, 2012 5:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    More excuses! How did Bush get 45% in 2004? If Republicans want to give up on the Hispanic vote then they will never win another Presidential election.

    Young people voted heavily Dem as did Asians. This is not Hispanic problem, it’s GOP not understanding how to appeal to voters problem.

    I’m not following the ‘excuses’ part. I thought it was explanation.
    ??

    As for young people voting heavily Dem -- that’s brings up something I wanted to point out. These morons won’t always be young. They WILL however, be much poorer than my generation.

    I’m not sure what that bodes. As my generation dies off, there will be fewer of the comfortable to support all their entitlements. Then what?


  188. coldwarrior
    188 | November 8, 2012 5:31 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I’m not sure what that bodes. As my generation dies off, there will be fewer of the comfortable to support all their entitlements. Then what?

    greece.
    and i am starting to think that the faster we get to that point the better.


  189. yenta-fada
    189 | November 8, 2012 5:31 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    The Government wants to be the only employer and Oligarchy. Old Soviet Union style, imo.


  190. Lily
    190 | November 8, 2012 5:31 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    It makes perfect sense. The Democrats micro-targeted groups and made them hate Republicans. It’s a brilliant strategy. David Axelrod and Jim Messina are geniuses. We need to learn from them and emulate what they did in 2016.

    Hate on hate? Fight hate with hate..wouldn’t the truth be better and why in the world do we have so many fractured hyphenated-Americans?
    This needs to stop we are all Americans…not _________-Americans. To me these are old tactic’s that the democrats use and could very well blow up in the Republicans faces…because then they would turne the tables and say SEE look how hatefull the Republicans are. There needs to be a NEW way. Already the press is b*tching about how BOTH campaigns were negative especially Romney’s campaign. Unbelievable…Romney was more negative than obama?


  191. bluliner10
    191 | November 8, 2012 5:31 pm

    The next separation would be blacks and the pro-abortion lobby. That is even easier. Most abortions are black babies. It is what Margaret Sanger wanted and the nazi’s that follow her want that too. It is why planned parenthood is located in the hood.


  192. eaglesoars
    192 | November 8, 2012 5:31 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    Most gays are convinced they are born that way. I contend that it is a behavior, a choice. My argument for this: with all the study of the human DNA, nobody has found the gay gene.

    And this gets us exactly where? Pointless.


  193. 193 | November 8, 2012 5:31 pm

    Do light skinned blacks have the same issues as dark skinned blacks and should we relate to each differently? What are their issues?

    How about half black half Mexican, are they black or hispanic and how do we relate to them? Some of this group speaks Spanish and some don’t, do we relate to each differently? What are their issues?

    Brazilians look Hispanic, but they speak Portuguese, how do we relate to them? What are their issues?

    Do we relate to black Cubans as Hispanic or black? What are their issues?

    Some Hispanics are very dark skinned, could be black, could be Hispanic, should we just ask them what they are so as to ascertain their issues?

    So, so many questions.


  194. eaglesoars
    194 | November 8, 2012 5:32 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    greece.
    and i am starting to think that the faster we get to that point the better.

    me too. let ‘em feel the pain.


  195. heysoos
    195 | November 8, 2012 5:33 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    bluliner10 wrote:
    Most gays are convinced they are born that way. I contend that it is a behavior, a choice. My argument for this: with all the study of the human DNA, nobody has found the gay gene.
    And this gets us exactly where? Pointless.

    agreed


  196. eaglesoars
    196 | November 8, 2012 5:33 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    The Government wants to be the only employer and Oligarchy. Old Soviet Union style, imo.

    I’m waiting for Pacepa’s new book.


  197. Lily
    197 | November 8, 2012 5:34 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Lily:

    The Democrats are masters of Projection. Republicans aren’t eveil. It is the Democrats who are evil. They simply successfully project their evil onto the Republicans to conceal their true nature.

    True…but it is so thin I don’t understand how people believed all that crap. Yet they did.


  198. yenta-fada
    198 | November 8, 2012 5:35 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    I’m not sure what that bodes. As my generation dies off, there will be fewer of the comfortable to support all their entitlements. Then what?
    greece.
    and i am starting to think that the faster we get to that point the better.

    This ‘election’ will probably hasten the financial crash. I think there will be a currency re-set since most nations are BROKE. Including Canada wrt debt, entitlements, and Socialism.


  199. eaglesoars
    199 | November 8, 2012 5:36 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    The next separation would be blacks and the pro-abortion lobby. That is even easier. Most abortions are black babies. It is what Margaret Sanger wanted and the nazi’s that follow her want that too. It is why planned parenthood is located in the hood.

    I think it was Hannity who had 2 black ministers on his show shortly before the election. One of them had preached from the pulpit about Obama’s support for gay marriage and abortion on demand and how it was all a threat to the black community.

    The other minister said ‘social justice’ was more important (paraphrasing here).

    The black community is not monolithic about this.


  200. Lily
    200 | November 8, 2012 5:36 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I think this story is bunk, never heard of Shindad, and amazingly not one mention of the crew. Just a plane crash and all the ballots may have burned up…nobody hurt or killed? What type of plane? Did the Air Force or whomever ground the fleet to determine the cause? Was it a Class A mishap, Class B mishap? A lot of questions here too.

    I believe it is bunk too. No mention of a plane crash or casualities…just the ballots went down in a plane crash…a plane crash that wasn’t covered in any media out-lets…WOW I say. How timely that crash occurred.


  201. Canoe Convoy
    201 | November 8, 2012 5:37 pm

    We’re off to the Hunger Games, or Mad Max. Just remember that you don’t have to pick, because fate will make the selection for us all.


  202. yenta-fada
    202 | November 8, 2012 5:37 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    yenta-fada wrote:
    @ eaglesoars:
    The Government wants to be the only employer and Oligarchy. Old Soviet Union style, imo.
    I’m waiting for Pacepa’s new book.

    We can OUTREAD our enemies. lol. That’s a GOOD thing!


  203. heysoos
    203 | November 8, 2012 5:37 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    eaglesoars wrote:
    I’m not sure what that bodes. As my generation dies off, there will be fewer of the comfortable to support all their entitlements. Then what?
    greece.
    and i am starting to think that the faster we get to that point the better.
    This ‘election’ will probably hasten the financial crash. I think there will be a currency re-set since most nations are BROKE. Including Canada wrt debt, entitlements, and Socialism.

    inflation will kill me…everything I have is in cash and a small amt of gold


  204. 204 | November 8, 2012 5:38 pm

    Lily wrote:

    True…but it is so thin I don’t understand how people believed all that crap. Yet they did.

    I think it was Speranza who said “the masses are asses”. Yep.


  205. eaglesoars
    205 | November 8, 2012 5:38 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    I’m not sure what that bodes. As my generation dies off, there will be fewer of the comfortable to support all their entitlements. Then what?
    greece.
    and i am starting to think that the faster we get to that point the better.

    This ‘election’ will probably hasten the financial crash. I think there will be a currency re-set since most nations are BROKE. Including Canada wrt debt, entitlements, and Socialism.

    not to worry. We’re about to get downgraded again. Bernanke will print more money. I’m waiting for the inflation to hit.

    Think gas and food are expensive now? Just wait.


  206. Lily
    206 | November 8, 2012 5:39 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    What was their reason for not wanting to vote???

    They distrust/don’t like government period. They think that our current elections are a sham and that the world government has already taken over. They are also truthers as it fits in with their deep conspiracy world view. They hate Obama, don’t get me wrong, but they weren’t going to vote and I insisted.

    Doesn’t make sense if they hate obama seems like they would want to see him voted out. I tell you very strange election this was. I could wrap my head around the 2008 election..but it is very hard for me to wrap my head around this one.


  207. 207 | November 8, 2012 5:39 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Do light skinned blacks have the same issues as dark skinned blacks and should we relate to each differently? What are their issues?
    How about half black half Mexican, are they black or hispanic and how do we relate to them? Some of this group speaks Spanish and some don’t, do we relate to each differently? What are their issues?
    Brazilians look Hispanic, but they speak Portuguese, how do we relate to them? What are their issues?
    Do we relate to black Cubans as Hispanic or black? What are their issues?
    Some Hispanics are very dark skinned, could be black, could be Hispanic, should we just ask them what they are so as to ascertain their issues?
    So, so many questions.

    I’m half Irish Catholic American and Jewish American AND [BONUS +}… wait for it.. I’m a WOMAN. I’d like to have separate interest group for each one. Holy crap, that’s three separate electoral votes right there.


  208. waldensianspirit
    208 | November 8, 2012 5:39 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:
    I’m not sure what that bodes. As my generation dies off, there will be fewer of the comfortable to support all their entitlements. Then what?

    greece.
    and i am starting to think that the faster we get to that point the better.

    Now you’re talking my language. I believe the Republican Congress critters should just vote present as @ father_of_10 says.

    I believe it is impossible to persuade the Obamabots. Be like persuading 1.0 because guess what; they are 1.0


  209. eaglesoars
    209 | November 8, 2012 5:39 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    We can OUTREAD our enemies. lol. That’s a GOOD thing!

    pfffftt!!

    I owe you an email.

    :lol:

    I’m hungry. I just don’t know what I want. Hate that.


  210. 210 | November 8, 2012 5:40 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    We can OUTREAD our enemies. lol. That’s a GOOD thing!

    Except that a lot of kids can’t really “read” anymore….unless it’s in “text language”.


  211. 211 | November 8, 2012 5:41 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I’m half Irish Catholic American and Jewish American AND [BONUS +}… wait for it.. I’m a WOMAN. I’d like to have separate interest group for each one. Holy crap, that’s three separate electoral votes right there.

    Addendum: I’m a heterosexual. That makes 4.


  212. Lily
    212 | November 8, 2012 5:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    More excuses! How did Bush get 45% in 2004? If Republicans want to give up on the Hispanic vote then they will never win another Presidential election.

    Young people voted heavily Dem as did Asians. This is not Hispanic problem, it’s GOP not understanding how to appeal to voters problem.

    I don’t think it was a Hispanic problem or this problem or that problem….there were a whole lot of problems and the rot in our media and culture. No one is willing to stand up anymore.


  213. 213 | November 8, 2012 5:43 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    I’m half Irish Catholic American and Jewish American AND [BONUS +}… wait for it.. I’m a WOMAN. I’d like to have separate interest group for each one. Holy crap, that’s three separate electoral votes right there.

    You’re ISSUES! WHAT ARE YOU’RE ISSUES? Inquiring minds want to know so we can RELATE to you! :D


  214. Lily
    214 | November 8, 2012 5:43 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    made them hate Republicans

    It didn’t take much; rather validate their hate. And in many cases:

    themy hate Republicanswhites

    Read Obamabots online or even ones calling in to cspan.

    You are right it didn’t take much at all. Not at all.


  215. 215 | November 8, 2012 5:45 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    You’re ISSUES!

    I meant “your”. I HATE it when that happens!


  216. heysoos
    216 | November 8, 2012 5:49 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    More excuses! How did Bush get 45% in 2004? If Republicans want to give up on the Hispanic vote then they will never win another Presidential election.
    Young people voted heavily Dem as did Asians. This is not Hispanic problem, it’s GOP not understanding how to appeal to voters problem.

    I don’t think it was a Hispanic problem or this problem or that problem….there were a whole lot of problems and the rot in our media and culture. No one is willing to stand up anymore.

    right you are…all the micro management of voter blocs, fussing about a bigger tent etc is meaningless because of the bloat of voters that don’t vote…apathy and burnout are killing us


  217. 217 | November 8, 2012 5:50 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    You’re ISSUES! WHAT ARE YOU’RE ISSUES? Inquiring minds want to know so we can RELATE to you! :D

    Gee, I don’t know. How about free whiskey, matzos and birth control?


  218. Lily
    218 | November 8, 2012 5:54 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:

    Republicans don’t help themselves either. They make stupid statements and then its used against them.

    Republicans need to study marketing and Public relations.

    Democrats make even stupider statements and they get a pass. Explain that?


  219. yenta-fada
    219 | November 8, 2012 5:54 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    True…but it is so thin I don’t understand how people believed all that crap. Yet they did.
    I think it was Speranza who said “the masses are asses”. Yep.

    Or Voltaire, but I’m ok with Speranza. :-)


  220. buzzsawmonkey
    220 | November 8, 2012 5:55 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    My first idea for breaking the democrat’s base --

    Abortion and the gays.

    Most gays are convinced they are born that way. I contend that it is a behavior, a choice. My argument for this: with all the study of the human DNA, nobody has found the gay gene. Gays will continually attempt to convince me that just because science has not found the natural cause to their “preference”, does not mean it is not there.

    How to separate — how many parents are willing to give birth to a gay child? Do you support abortion now?

    Forget “gay gene,” and notice that the gay lobby itself has no definition of what “gay” is—or rather, that “gay” is a constantly-malleable definition which alters to whatever is politically advantageous at the moment. For example:

    1) The usual term is “LGBT”; this stands for “lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender.” “Lesbian” was added because the lesbians decided that “gay really applies to men,” and it is listed first because “women are historically more oppressed” (no, I’m not making this up; I’ve heard gay-lobby partisans say this). “Bisexual” is supposed to cover those attracted to both sexes, but the gays uniformly consider “bisexuals” as “gays who don’t have the guts to come out,” and consider them not quite-quite; an example of this was when, last year, a gay softball league on the West Coast would not permit bisexuals to participate because they were “not gay enough.”

    2) “Transgender” is the antithesis of “gay and proud”; if you take transgenderism on its own claims, those who proclaim themselves thus are “not gay,” but merely “trapped in the wrong body”—and are seeking to self-mutilate to conform in appearance to what they “believe” themselves to be. The gay lobby keeps transgenders in the laundry list because, first, they know that the claim to not actually be gay is usually a lie; second, because transgenderism is so out there that some of the other lulus in the gay community look downright normal by comparison; third, and most important, because the transgenders are being used as pawns by the gay lobby to create the fact of same-sex marriage even in jurisdictions where it is not legal. If a man married to a woman decides suddenly to go transgender, as has happened, then lobbies for a retroactive birth certificate change, as has happened, you have a “same-sex marriage” whether same-sex marriage is legal or not.

    3) The gay lobby often adds on other letters to its LGBT alphabet soup; the most common is “QQ,” for “Queer” and “Questioning.” “Queer” is a political designation, more radical than “gay”; “questioning” is a way to include all those kids who might have enjoyed a jerkoff fest behind the garage at some point. The purpose of ever-younger sex education is not only to get kids to self-define as “gay” as young as possible, when they are the most confused by puberty, but to get their fellows to define them as gay—thereby funneling the kids into a mindset, behavior pattern, and social interaction which will ensure that they are in the “gay community” by the time they are in their early-mid twenties, after which it is very difficult to change “sides” regardless of one’s desires.

    In addition, the gay lobby refers to “sexual orientation” (innate) and “sexual preference” (volitional) as circumstances warrant. “Preference” was used commonly back in the ’70s and ’80s, but then the lobby realized that one could not claim aggrieved minority status so easily if one’s behavior was recognized as volitional, so “orientation” became the preferred term. “Preference,” however, makes a comeback when there is political advantage to using it.

    In short, the lobby intentionally keeps things vague in order to throw as wide a demographic net as possible while avoiding specificity like the plague.


  221. heysoos
    221 | November 8, 2012 5:56 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Republicans don’t help themselves either. They make stupid statements and then its used against them.
    Republicans need to study marketing and Public relations.

    Democrats make even stupider statements and they get a pass. Explain that?

    the MSM decides who is the villain and who gets elected…the MSM is corrupt and abusive of the Constitutional rights


  222. Canoe Convoy
    222 | November 8, 2012 5:57 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:
    @ MacDuff:

    These. Also, keep the social conservative issues as State’s Rights — 9th — 10th Amendment issues.


  223. Lily
    223 | November 8, 2012 5:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Just don’t want to give too much credit to the creepy duo. They executed the playbook very well. They sure as hell don’t have the smarts to create it.

    They executed a brilliant battle plan. Mitt Romney advisers thought this was 1980. It was 2012 and the Democrats grasped that.

    I don’t see how. Obama gaffed, appeared indifferent, made stupid statements…it all boiled down to America is still racist and even though I’m out of a job I’m voting obama because he cares.
    The Republicans ran on unity of the United States and fiscal responsibility and this was wrong?


  224. waldensianspirit
    224 | November 8, 2012 5:57 pm

    Looks like Allen West was right not to concede. He’s now up


  225. eaglesoars
    225 | November 8, 2012 5:58 pm

    This probably isn’t the thread for it, but someday I’d like to have a discussion about what’s happened to me in this culture.

    Andrea Tanteros pointed out that ‘free’ birth control is an issue that’s migrated from the financially strapped woment to college educated suburban woman.

    Among other things, I think this speaks to the diminished role of men as men, fathers and friends thanks to a feminism that insists on marginalizing half the human race.


  226. waldensianspirit
    226 | November 8, 2012 5:58 pm

    Where’s ferb and outsider? Their job is done?


  227. buzzsawmonkey
    227 | November 8, 2012 5:59 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Wrath used to say that “feminism is the ideology that declares women are worthless unless they are just like men.”


  228. Lily
    228 | November 8, 2012 5:59 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Biden is a Catholic.

    and Heysoos is the Pope

    Harry Reid is a Mormon

    And he only runs at a state level not a national level.


  229. 229 | November 8, 2012 6:00 pm

    America hasn’t built a gas refinery in 35 years. 75% of NYC gas stations are closed and begins gas rationing.


  230. 230 | November 8, 2012 6:01 pm

    Lily wrote:

    The Republicans ran on unity of the United States and fiscal responsibility and this was wrong?

    RAAAAACIST!!


  231. eaglesoars
    231 | November 8, 2012 6:01 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Looks like Allen West was right not to concede. He’s now up

    WHOA!!


  232. buzzsawmonkey
    232 | November 8, 2012 6:01 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    75% of NYC gas stations are closed and begins gas rationing.

    Putting the “lean” in “gasoline.”


  233. eaglesoars
    233 | November 8, 2012 6:02 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Wrath used to say that “feminism is the ideology that declares women are worthless unless they are just like men.”

    Allow me to adjust that a bit:

    Feminism is the ideology that declares men are worthless unless they are just like women.


  234. heysoos
    234 | November 8, 2012 6:02 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    America hasn’t built a gas refinery in 35 years. 75% of NYC gas stations are closed and begins gas rationing.

    heh…you reap what you sow…there are not enough rational thinkers in this country to care for all the idiots….mathematically, people are going to suffer and die


  235. waldensianspirit
    235 | November 8, 2012 6:02 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Anybody see what nevergiveup has to say about the election?


  236. coldwarrior
    236 | November 8, 2012 6:03 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    Do light skinned blacks have the same issues as dark skinned blacks and should we relate to each differently? What are their issues?
    How about half black half Mexican, are they black or hispanic and how do we relate to them? Some of this group speaks Spanish and some don’t, do we relate to each differently? What are their issues?
    Brazilians look Hispanic, but they speak Portuguese, how do we relate to them? What are their issues?
    Do we relate to black Cubans as Hispanic or black? What are their issues?
    Some Hispanics are very dark skinned, could be black, could be Hispanic, should we just ask them what they are so as to ascertain their issues?
    So, so many questions.

    well, WE break up the white vote into male and female, social con or not, fiscon or not, liberal, married or single, urban or rural…

    yet we see latins/blacks/young people as single blocks.

    gop are idiots


  237. yenta-fada
    237 | November 8, 2012 6:04 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Why does anybody have to be PROUD of being gay or black or Hispanic, etc.? Rhetorical question, but the manipulation of language is part of the chipping away of critical thought.


  238. heysoos
    238 | November 8, 2012 6:05 pm

    Bloomberg is into Big Gulps, salt, and duck guts…other than that he has no clue….nice going NYC


  239. waldensianspirit
  240. 240 | November 8, 2012 6:07 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Wrath used to say that “feminism is the ideology that declares women are worthless unless they are just like men.”

    When I was a young lass the first time I heard about feminism, I wasn’t sure what it meant. I already had the right to vote, to drive, o wear pants, to own property, to go to school and to compete in the real world on an even playing field. I didn’t understand what more I needed as a free sovereign American citizen.


  241. yenta-fada
    241 | November 8, 2012 6:08 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    MacDuff wrote:
    You’re ISSUES! WHAT ARE YOU’RE ISSUES? Inquiring minds want to know so we can RELATE to you!
    Gee, I don’t know. How about free whiskey, matzos and birth control?

    Money, guns, and lawyers? /


  242. 242 | November 8, 2012 6:08 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Why does anybody have to be PROUD of being gay or black or Hispanic, etc.? Rhetorical question, but the manipulation of language is part of the chipping away of critical thought.

    Humbleness is so 19th century… where ya been?


  243. waldensianspirit
    243 | November 8, 2012 6:10 pm

    Luap Nor: Election shows U.S. ‘far gone’

    So why didn’t you work with us these last 10 years?


  244. Canoe Convoy
    244 | November 8, 2012 6:10 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    I think this is a positive development. :)


  245. Canoe Convoy
    245 | November 8, 2012 6:11 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    Amen!


  246. Canoe Convoy
    246 | November 8, 2012 6:13 pm

    @ heysoos:
    some folks have to suffer before they recognize and take ownership of the results of their choices.


  247. buzzsawmonkey
    247 | November 8, 2012 6:14 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    Why does anybody have to be PROUD of being gay or black or Hispanic, etc.? Rhetorical question, but the manipulation of language is part of the chipping away of critical thought.

    Well, the gay-rights movement hermit-crabbed, or rather has tried to hermit-crab, into the human-rights “gimme” phase of the Civil Rights Movement. “Black and proud” came in as the actual civil rights phase of that movement was morphing into straight-out human-rights “gimme”—affirmative action, set-asides, etc., instead of the mere civil rights goal of having the government protect one’s right to vote or have equal access to public accommodations.

    For both the black movement and the gay-rights movement, “pride” was a way of countering the slurs and pejoratives which had often been directed at members of both groups. On the other hand, having a “pride parade” where the participants engage in the most stereotypical behavior described by such slurs, as the gay lobby does, is pretty much akin to having a “black pride march” where everyone is wearing loud clothes, droopy pants, and flashy shoes, dancing the cakewalk and eating watermelon.

    What these “pride” declarations ultimately do is declare that those expressing their “pride” can engage in the worst stereotypical behavior associated with their group as an expression of their “pride” in the group—but outsiders are not allowed to say so. It is similar to those T-shirts popular some years ago which said, “It’s a black thing—you wouldn’t understand,” which are intended to exclude and which are intended to say, not, “I am your equal,” but “I am your superior, possessed of secret knowledge by virtue of my status which you will never, by virtue of your status, acquire.”


  248. huckfunn
    248 | November 8, 2012 6:15 pm

    I’ll never again look at a crowd of Americans in quite the same way. When I look at a stadium, arena or a crowd on the street, I’ll know that half of them are either idiots, communists or both.


  249. waldensianspirit
    249 | November 8, 2012 6:15 pm

    Here we go!


  250. buzzsawmonkey
    250 | November 8, 2012 6:15 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    Anybody see what nevergiveup has to say about the election?

    No. Where’s he posting?


  251. Lily
    251 | November 8, 2012 6:17 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ waldensianspirit:
    Republicans don’t help themselves either. They make stupid statements and then its used against them.
    Republicans need to study marketing and Public relations.

    Democrats make even stupider statements and they get a pass. Explain that?

    the MSM decides who is the villain and who gets elected…the MSM is corrupt and abusive of the Constitutional rights

    Right you are the people have given up on critical thinking. They don’t question what they are being fed..in essance they have become sheep.


  252. Canoe Convoy
    252 | November 8, 2012 6:17 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    Off to the Weimar Republic / Peronist Argentina we go !


  253. coldwarrior
    253 | November 8, 2012 6:18 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Anybody see what nevergiveup has to say about the election?

    i thought he gave up?


  254. waldensianspirit
    254 | November 8, 2012 6:19 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Haven’t seen him post at weaselzippers in a while so not sure


  255. yenta-fada
    255 | November 8, 2012 6:19 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That must be why the Simon Weisenthal Center just sent me an email to donate to EMPOWERING Jewish students:

    ” Empower the next generation of Jewish activists. Under the banner of free speech, Jewish students at universities across North America are being insulted, stalked, and even physically attacked in hostile environments that campuses breed against anyone who identifies positively with the state of Israel. At several schools, professors go unpunished as they use their universities’ websites to link to efforts to boycott Israel, in violation of universities’ own policies. In response, the Center convened a conference, pictured, on “Emergent Legal Strategies, Title VI, and Campus Anti-Semitism”, bringing together students, faculty, litigators and federal officials to begin an important conversation on the future of legal strategies to fight the growing, unchecked problem of anti-Semitism on campus.”


  256. Lily
    256 | November 8, 2012 6:19 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    This probably isn’t the thread for it, but someday I’d like to have a discussion about what’s happened to me in this culture.

    Andrea Tanteros pointed out that ‘free’ birth control is an issue that’s migrated from the financially strapped woment to college educated suburban woman.

    Among other things, I think this speaks to the diminished role of men as men, fathers and friends thanks to a feminism that insists on marginalizing half the human race.

    You are so correct in this assesment. Families are bad..children are a burden and men are stupid… and women just need to find themselves instead of taking responsibility for their children.


  257. waldensianspirit
    257 | November 8, 2012 6:20 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    :grin:


  258. Lily
    258 | November 8, 2012 6:21 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    The Republicans ran on unity of the United States and fiscal responsibility and this was wrong?

    RAAAAACIST!!

    LOL! ;)


  259. lobo91
    259 | November 8, 2012 6:21 pm

    Lily wrote:

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    I think this story is bunk, never heard of Shindad, and amazingly not one mention of the crew. Just a plane crash and all the ballots may have burned up…nobody hurt or killed? What type of plane? Did the Air Force or whomever ground the fleet to determine the cause? Was it a Class A mishap, Class B mishap? A lot of questions here too.

    I believe it is bunk too. No mention of a plane crash or casualities…just the ballots went down in a plane crash…a plane crash that wasn’t covered in any media out-lets…WOW I say. How timely that crash occurred.

    That story came from a satire website. It’s completely made up.


  260. Mars
    260 | November 8, 2012 6:22 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Ok, everybody read this. Heather MacDonald of the Manhatten Institute
    Why Hispanics Don’t Vote for Republicans
    If Republicans want to change their stance on immigration, they should do so on the merits, not out of a belief that only immigration policy stands between them and a Republican Hispanic majority. It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation. Hispanics will prove to be even more decisive in the victory of Governor Jerry Brown’s Proposition 30, which raised upper-income taxes and the sales tax, than in the Obama election.
    And California is the wave of the future. A March 2011 poll by Moore Information found that Republican economic policies were a stronger turn-off for Hispanic voters in California than Republican positions on illegal immigration. Twenty-nine percent of Hispanic voters were suspicious of the Republican party on class-warfare grounds — “it favors only the rich”; “Republicans are selfish and out for themselves”; “Republicans don’t represent the average person”– compared with 7 percent who objected to Republican immigration stances.
    I spoke last year with John Echeveste, founder of the oldest Latino marketing firm in southern California, about Hispanic politics. “What Republicans mean by ‘family values’ and what Hispanics mean are two completely different things,” he said. “We are a very compassionate people, we care about other people and understand that government has a role to play in helping people.”
    And a strong reason for that support for big government is that so many Hispanics use government programs. U.S.-born Hispanic households in California use welfare programs at twice the rate of native-born non-Hispanic households. And that is because nearly one-quarter of all Hispanics are poor in California, compared to a little over one-tenth of non-Hispanics. Nearly seven in ten poor children in the state are Hispanic, and one in three Hispanic children is poor, compared to less than one in six non-Hispanic children. One can see that disparity in classrooms across the state, which are chock full of social workers and teachers’ aides trying to boost Hispanic educational performance.
    The idea of the “social issues” Hispanic voter is also a mirage. A majority of Hispanics now support gay marriage, a Pew Research Center poll from last month found. The Hispanic out-of-wedlock birth rate is 53 percent, about twice that of whites.
    The demographic changes set into motion by official and de facto immigration policy favoring low-skilled over high-skilled immigrants mean that a Republican party that purports to stand for small government and free markets faces an uncertain future.
    And by J. Christian Adams:
    GOP ‘Outreach’ to Hispanics Won’t Work
    There is only one way to obtain the support of Hispanics and other minorities eventually. Conservatives must first confront and destroy the credibility of the racial interest groups that serve as the gatekeepers to these communities. Once-relevant and noble groups like the NAACP, and others less noble such as LULAC and MALDEF, must be exposed as the frauds that they have become in 2012. Their finances and racialist agenda must be revealed and lampooned. Their racial extortion of corporate America must be confronted. The entire political operation of these groups must be vivisected by some of the brightest investigative and journalistic conservative minds.
    Otherwise, the skilled and experienced racial-antagonism operation of these racial organizations will keep the herd together, voting in solid blocks no matter how much “outreach” the GOP conducts after agreeing to amnesty.
    Here is the problem: few in the Republican Party have the guts to do it. They fear being called racists more than they fear losing elections. They would rather suffer a dozen defeats like Tuesday night than be called racist for going after the corrupt racial groups that prevent GOP outreach to minorities.
    In fact, many elected Republicans, including some governors, fear the wrath of these organizations as much as the arrival of the pox. Nothing terrifies them more than an NAACP press conference.
    So the talking heads and bloggers can moan about the need to “reach out” to minorities. But until Republicans find the guts to go after the well-funded groups that churn racial antagonism and keep minorities politically in line, nothing will work. You can’t appeal to minorities when a thick fearless establishment funded with hundreds of millions of dollars of corporate and foundation money is working to preserve the status quo, and nobody has the guts to fight them.

    The Christian Adams one was good. The other one basically said we have to go full bore communist to win the hispanics. I have a hard time believing that.


  261. Lily
    261 | November 8, 2012 6:22 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Anybody see what nevergiveup has to say about the election?

    No did he post it somewhere?


  262. Lily
    262 | November 8, 2012 6:24 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Why does anybody have to be PROUD of being gay or black or Hispanic, etc.? Rhetorical question, but the manipulation of language is part of the chipping away of critical thought.

    Their pride should be in being an American…and that is the problem.
    Diversty trumps everything now days.


  263. 263 | November 8, 2012 6:24 pm

    Folks, I don’t plan on staying in Meecheegan for the long haul. Gotta take care of the legal stuff first.


  264. waldensianspirit
    264 | November 8, 2012 6:25 pm

    Winner Jesse Jackson Jr. in plea deal talks with feds, sources say

    Because you know. It’s his Moment!


  265. eaglesoars
    265 | November 8, 2012 6:25 pm

    something tells me this is not going to over well even with libs

    Newsweek cover: Obama as Napoleanupper banner: You’re old! You’re white! You’re history!


  266. huckfunn
    266 | November 8, 2012 6:25 pm

    Lily wrote:

    You are so correct in this assesment. Families are bad..children are a burden and men are stupid… and women just need to find themselves instead of taking responsibility for their children.

    The world has turned upside down. Good is bad. Bad is good. A known terrorist, released from Gitmo by the regime, is thought to be the mastermind behind the Benghazi attack and is appearing on jihad TV. Meanwhile, the regime scapegoats some schlub for making a stupid movie and puts him in jail for a year. This after lying to the American people for 2 months. And then the liar-in-chief is elected to another 4 years. Madness.


  267. eaglesoars
    267 | November 8, 2012 6:26 pm

    Mars wrote:

    The other one basically said we have to go full bore communist to win the hispanics

    I’m going to have to re-read that then. Not what I got out of it.


  268. 268 | November 8, 2012 6:27 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    something tells me this is not going to over well even with libs
    Newsweek cover: Obama as Napoleanupper banner: You’re old! You’re white! You’re history!

    From the cover bottom left:
    What the president owes women.

    I’d like to know, as a woman, what’s coming to ME.


  269. Lily
    269 | November 8, 2012 6:28 pm

    @ huckfunn:

    It’s insane.


  270. buzzsawmonkey
    270 | November 8, 2012 6:29 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Diversty trumps everything now days.

    “Diversity” is the same old stereotypes, used under the theory that “it’s not bigoted when we do it.” Blacks, gays, women, etc., are considered to be interchangeable fungible units; you have to have “proportional representation” in schools, in jobs, in pictures, in the jails, etc., etc.—based only on the membership in a wholly superficial external which assumes all blacks, or gays, or women must think alike.

    “Diversity” is utterly antithetical to freedom of thought or opinion; it is the ultimate windowdressing for the purpose of hiding a mandated lockstep in thought.


  271. buzzsawmonkey
    271 | November 8, 2012 6:32 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    something tells me this is not going to over well even with libs

    Newsweek cover: Obama as Napoleanupper banner: You’re old! You’re white! You’re history!

    Liberals think of themselves as honorary members of the minority of their choice; Alan Alda thinks he’s a woman, Bill Maher thinks he’s black or gay or something; Michael Moore thinks he’s that giant mushroom in the forests of Michigan.

    I don’t agree that Obama is supposed to be Napoleon in that picture, though; if he were, he’d have the hand on his chest. I think that coat is supposed to bring to mind George Washington, which I find far more offensive than comparing our current tinpot dictator to another tinpot dictator.


  272. Mars
    272 | November 8, 2012 6:33 pm


    It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation.

    That’s the money quote.


  273. song_and_dance_man
    273 | November 8, 2012 6:34 pm

    Some parents are stupid. There were a pair of twins born that were named Mitt Romney and Barack Obama. It happened in Kenya, ya.

    I just noticed Barack is one (r) from being barrack.


  274. Mars
    274 | November 8, 2012 6:35 pm

    A March 2011 poll by Moore Information found that Republican economic policies were a stronger turn-off for Hispanic voters in California than Republican positions on illegal immigration.

    And this.


  275. eaglesoars
    275 | November 8, 2012 6:36 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I think that coat is supposed to bring to mind George Washington, which I find far more offensive than comparing our current tinpot dictator to another tinpot dictator.

    I caught that too. But I thought, Washington had slaves. Would Newsweek be that stupid?

    Wait. Nevermind.


  276. 276 | November 8, 2012 6:39 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Didn’t Newsweek go kerplotz a few weeks back? What gives?


  277. 277 | November 8, 2012 6:39 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I caught that too. But I thought, Washington had slaves. Would Newsweek be that stupid?

    Wait. Nevermind.

    You can’t make this stuff up.


  278. lobo91
    278 | November 8, 2012 6:40 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Didn’t Newsweek go kerplotz a few weeks back? What gives?

    Their last paper issue comes out at the end of December.


  279. song_and_dance_man
    279 | November 8, 2012 6:41 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    something tells me this is not going to over well even with libs
    Newsweek cover: Obama as Napoleanupper banner: You’re old! You’re white! You’re history!

    I don’t even know where to begin with that.

    Start a magazine that counters Ebony with one called Ivory for starters?


  280. coldwarrior
    280 | November 8, 2012 6:41 pm

    Mars wrote:

    It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation.

    That’s the money quote.

    and that came from studying ONLY california-mexicans.

    what about the cubans> dominicans, etc who dont live in CA.

    the title of her article should have been ‘why the gop lost with the mexicans in california’

    also, romney lost with the white vote in cali as well, so….what do we do about that


  281. buzzsawmonkey
    281 | November 8, 2012 6:42 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I caught that too. But I thought, Washington had slaves. Would Newsweek be that stupid?

    Wait. Nevermind.

    Remember that Obama was supposed to be “post-racial.” To Newsweek, dressing him up as Washington could be their way of reviving this—especially with Frum’s “you’re old, you’re white, you’re history” headline above. In other words, history has begun anew; no more old dead white men like Washington, because his place has been taken by post-racial Obama; it’s America’s new phase.

    Remember that while “post-racial” was intended to mean “we’re past all that race stuff, finally” to the sucker vote, to the people using it, like Obama, it was supposed to be the domestic version of “post-colonial”; the plantation workers are running the plantation! Whitey’s down and blacks are on top!


  282. eaglesoars
    282 | November 8, 2012 6:43 pm

    Good

    Las Vegas Business Owner Fires 22 Employees After Obama Wins

    …“Well unfortunately, and most of my employees are Hispanic — I’m not gonna go into what kind of company I have, but I have mostly Hispanic employees — well unfortunately we know what happened and I can’t wait around anymore, I have to be proactive. I had to lay off 22 people today to make sure that my business is gonna thrive and I’m gonna be around for years to come. I have to build up that nest egg now for the taxes and regulations that are coming my way. Elections do have consequences, but so do choices. A choice you make every day has consequences and you know what, I’ve always put my employees first, but unfortunately today I have to put me and my family first, and you watch what’s gonna happen. I’m just one guy with 114 employees — well was 114 employees — watch what happens in the next six months. The Dow alone lost 314 points today. There’s a tsunami coming and if you didn’t think this election had consequences, just wait.”


  283. lobo91
    283 | November 8, 2012 6:43 pm

    @ Urban Infidel:

    I’d like to know, as a woman, what’s coming to ME.

    You’re a conservative woman, so nothing. Only “real” women get free stuff.

    Don’t feel bad. There are federal laws that say I’m entitled to stuff, as a combat veteran. Doesn’t make any difference, though. I still get nothing.


  284. song_and_dance_man
    284 | November 8, 2012 6:45 pm

    Newsweek abandoned their printed issue so maybe this is an attempt to go where they’ve always wanted to go and print (ha print) stuff that will pick up some readers that have no idea they are now only online.


  285. 285 | November 8, 2012 6:46 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    Apparently the media is going apeshit over Rush’s Santa Claus bit yesterday. Calling him every name in the book.

    Well there goes the media is going to be reporting more honestly now.

    Meanwhile, I’ll Have Another Drink Matthews expresses gratefulness for the timing of a storm that kills 110 people and the silence from their quarters is deafening.

    They know what they voted FOR. And Rush NAILED it.


  286. 286 | November 8, 2012 6:47 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:
    What did Rush say about Santa Claus?


  287. buzzsawmonkey
    287 | November 8, 2012 6:49 pm

    BTW, I don’t know if anyone actually bothered to read my comments #220 and 247 upthread about the gay lobby, since they’re lengthy. But I’d like to underscore that, while I understand why people consider “social issues” radioactive, the gay lobby is the greatest foe of the First Amendment operating in America today, both as to freedom of speech and freedom of religion. It is important for people to understand this and to be able (and willing) to talk about it, and to be able to defend their position.


  288. eaglesoars
    288 | November 8, 2012 6:52 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I always read your posts on that. They’re eye openers.


  289. Speranza
    289 | November 8, 2012 6:58 pm

    Urban Infidel wrote:

    It mattered not when I told them that Obama is quite wealthy and has made more money as a sitting president than ever before in history. I even tossed in the Clintons and John Kerry as some of the richest people in politics.

    Don’t forget the Kennedy’s and FDR.


  290. heysoos
    290 | November 8, 2012 6:58 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    BTW, I don’t know if anyone actually bothered to read my comments #220 and 247 upthread about the gay lobby, since they’re lengthy. But I’d like to underscore that, while I understand why people consider “social issues” radioactive, the gay lobby is the greatest foe of the First Amendment operating in America today, both as to freedom of speech and freedom of religion. It is important for people to understand this and to be able (and willing) to talk about it, and to be able to defend their position.

    I always did and always will read your posts…don’t always agree but that’s beside the point…I think understanding is more important than agreement


  291. 291 | November 8, 2012 6:59 pm

    @ Rodan:

    You mean (1) have someone grow an ersatz Hitler mustache and lie like a rug to smear folks on television and (2) have someone write on their hands and take photos that make them look like a child molester?


  292. song_and_dance_man
    292 | November 8, 2012 7:00 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    No one is really interested in that. How and why they’ve come to categorize their growing nomenclature is something the Left(those who strive and then further adhere to acceptance gain) want us to talk about.


  293. coldwarrior
    293 | November 8, 2012 7:00 pm

    FRESH NEW THREAD!!!


  294. Canoe Convoy
    294 | November 8, 2012 7:03 pm

    Basically, Rush said that it is just about impossible to vote against Santa Claus. And the Rs are the party of “clean your room,” “Clean your plate,” responsibility, while the Ds are the party of “free stuff,” playing the role of Santa Claus.


  295. 295 | November 8, 2012 7:05 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    You mean (1) have someone grow an ersatz Hitler mustache and lie like a rug to smear folks on television and (2) have someone write on their hands and take photos that make them look like a child molester?

    No, just emulate what they did with micro-targeting.


  296. huckfunn
    296 | November 8, 2012 7:05 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Buzz; I always read your dissertations and I find them enlightening, particularly regarding gay issues or jewish issues. I’ve not had much exposure to either, so your perspectives are appreciated.


  297. 297 | November 8, 2012 7:06 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Yes but Obama also had a media that willingly perpetuated every lie he told. The media was never interested in a Romney response to the charges. That “Romney killed my wife” ad was only investigated by the conservative media. The “47%” remark was widely broadcast out of context, and when the missing minutes were reinstated, only Fox ran with the story.

    The media happily perpetuated the Ryan wants to shove old people over the cliff myth over and over again. What will their explanation be, I wonder, two years into Obama’s second reign when the complaints start coming in about the cost of devices, and the inability of senior citizens to find doctors or obtain treatment? Will the media be right there to report that Ryan was right all along? I think not.


  298. Mars
    298 | November 8, 2012 7:06 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    No one is really interested in that. How and why they’ve come to categorize their growing nomenclature is something the Left(those who strive and then further adhere to acceptance gain) want us to talk about.

    Actually no. They don’t want us to know how they developed their ideas and nomenclature. It reveals more about their “cause” than they want you to know. You are supposed to accept it on face value and not know about the massive manipulation of science, politics, language, and culture that were committed to get them were they are today.


  299. buzzsawmonkey
    299 | November 8, 2012 7:07 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    No one is really interested in that. How and why they’ve come to categorize their growing nomenclature is something the Left(those who strive and then further adhere to acceptance gain) want us to talk about.

    My objective is to explain the backstory; most of the people I know who prattle about “marriage equality” say, “Well, why shouldn’t they have equal rights?” They do not understand that it is not a matter of “equal rights,” but a matter of fundamentally defining one of the building blocks of society and the entire nature of human relationships, by a movement which was founded with the objective of destroying what it is now demanding—and that even most of the people in that ill-defined, indeed, pseudoscientifically-created interest group have no clue about any of this; they just want the free stuff.

    If people do not know this, it is easy to be buffaloed by the “equality” language.


  300. Speranza
    300 | November 8, 2012 7:07 pm

    Uh Oh!
    Chuck Hagel on defense department short list.
    If true this is not good news for Israel.


  301. 301 | November 8, 2012 7:08 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Joke Rodan. Joke.


  302. 302 | November 8, 2012 7:09 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    I get that, but I am tired of excuses. It’s time for the Right to imitate what works for the Left. The GOP has lost 4 out of the last 6 Presidential elections, plus lost the popular vote 5 out of six. What we are doing is not working.


  303. Speranza
    303 | November 8, 2012 7:09 pm

    Not that anyone Obama picks will be pro Israel.


  304. 304 | November 8, 2012 7:09 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Joke Rodan. Joke.

    :lol:

    We do not need to go that far.


  305. song_and_dance_man
    305 | November 8, 2012 7:13 pm

    @ Mars:

    There is no science behind it. And buzz had it right when he stated out right that we should not talk about the so-called ‘gay gene’.

    The goal is to establish the gay fringe as a social group that should be accepted just as any other ethnicity.


  306. eaglesoars
    306 | November 8, 2012 7:14 pm

    Ok, I’mm off. Some work to do. Nite all.


  307. 307 | November 8, 2012 7:14 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Bibi should arrange a trip to Moscow.


  308. song_and_dance_man
    308 | November 8, 2012 7:21 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I see your point. Equality and liberty under the legality of the Constitution was considered to be, by many, a far off harbor(in those days) for bad things to come if the collective of people lost sight of their morality.


  309. Da_Beerfreak
    309 | November 8, 2012 7:22 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Mars wrote:

    It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation.

    That’s the money quote.

    and that came from studying ONLY california-mexicans.

    what about the cubans> dominicans, etc who dont live in CA.

    the title of her article should have been ‘why the gop lost with the mexicans in california’

    also, romney lost with the white vote in cali as well, so….what do we do about that

    Sell California to the Chicoms ASAP… :twisted:


  310. Mars
    310 | November 8, 2012 7:43 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ Mars:
    There is no science behind it. And buzz had it right when he stated out right that we should not talk about the so-called ‘gay gene’.
    The goal is to establish the gay fringe as a social group that should be accepted just as any other ethnicity.

    Fits in with the piece I’m putting together.


  311. Guggi
    311 | November 8, 2012 7:44 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Anybody see what nevergiveup has to say about the election?

    He posts at AoS HQ and he is as pissed as anyone else in the conservative blogosphere.


  312. darkwords
    312 | November 8, 2012 8:19 pm

    @ 88 Urban Infidel: someone should pdf and save that to show them back


  313. darkwords
    313 | November 8, 2012 8:21 pm

    @ 307 Rodan: u know that is what i would do also if Obama waffles. Plenty of russian connections.


  314. Speranza
    314 | November 8, 2012 9:13 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Bibi should arrange a trip to Moscow.

    He has been there already.


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