Although he made some mistakes, Romney ran the best campaign he could. That he failed was the public’s fault. America lost the chance to have a real professional in the Oval Office.
by Jay Nordlinger
Four years ago, at just this time, I wrote a column headed “Bitterfest ’08.” I pledged a couple of weeks ago that I would not write such a column this year. I pledged to myself, I mean. I said, “If Romney loses, I’m not going to write another Bitterfest column. Just not gonna do it.” I had several reasons, all good.
But here I go . . .
I got started early on this year’s Bitterfest — with an Election Night blogpost, here. I cited an Obama slogan: “Mitt Romney: Not one of us.” Yes, Mitt Romney is not one of them, I said — not one of Obama’s “us.” Neither am I.
What are we, some kind of American remnant? Well, perhaps. But that seems a little dark, even for me . . .
You might say they were snookered the first time, in ’08. This time they knew what they were getting — and asked for it. Demanded it.
Okay.
I think this is baloney, particularly in 2012. The voters had a clear choice. Each presidential nominee was a good — very good — representative of his point of view. The voters had plenty of information, no matter how biased the media are. They had plenty of good, solid information. Conventions, debates, etc.
And they chose.
The Left is winning, in more than the electoral sense. The Left is winning culturally — psychologically, spiritually, if you will. They control education, the entertainment industry . . . need I give the whole list?
We are talking about some deep matters here, not about simple electioneering. I trust you know what I mean.
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That would be strange.
What’s business good for, anyway? Jobs, prosperity, vitality? Hey, who needs business when ya got government?
Honestly, if people don’t respect businessmen, that makes perfect sense. They’ve been told all their lives, through movies and television and everything else, that businessmen are villainous. Sometimes these things have an effect, you know? That’s why people do them — make movies and such.
(I told you this would be a bitterfest. Credit me with truth in labeling, if with nothing else.)
I was tremendously heartened by the tea-party movement. I had thought the country would go quietly unto social democracy. I thought they wanted to be Norway (without the oil, of course, because the people, through their elected representatives, won’t permit the acquisition of American oil). But the tea-party movement represented hope. Maybe there was life in the old gal yet. Maybe people still wanted the Constitution, fiscal discipline, and free enterprise.
They were demonized so quickly and thoroughly, the tea-party people. Tarred as racist. Once they succeed in tarring you as racist, you’re pretty much done.
Some time ago, a young woman was talking to me about a human-rights heroine in the Arab world. She belonged to an Islamist party (the heroine did). But don’t worry, said the young woman: It’s like how you can be a Republican and still not have sympathy with the tea-party people.
Ah, I see.
Anyway, it could be that the tea party was kind of the last gasp of Constitutionalism and free enterprise. A final spasm, before the Left achieves its dream of making our country like Europe.
The main Obama slogan was “Forward.” And “forward,” from these people, means lefter — more toward Europe, more toward social democracy and socialism. More toward collectivism in general. Ever bigger government, ever greater government dependence, an ever smaller private sphere.
It could be that Reaganism was a mere parenthesis — a brief slowing-down in this march “forward” toward Obama’s, and the Left’s, ideals.
I was educated by the Left, like everyone else. But what they fed me, I largely spat out, eventually. It would not be normal for most people to do this. Most people accept what they’re taught. Hasn’t that been true in every time and place forever? (I don’t claim to be the Durants or someone.) (Wish I were.)
And we have . . . what? Country music, talk radio, and NASCAR?
Ain’t enough! Need more juice!
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In America today, we have 14-year-olds screwing like banshees. Everyone thinks that’s cool, or most people do. We have abortion on demand. Nobody gets married, except gays. Divorce is over 50 percent, I believe. It’s “no fault” divorce at that. “The culture is a sewer,” as my friend Mark Helprin says.
Could a Mitt Romney win in this environment? An environment that adores Bill Clinton? Cool is king. Obama is cool. Romney is not. He’s square.
You know that Obama sex ad, the one appealing to the hookup culture? “When it’s your first time, make sure it’s with a really cool guy — but not your husband, ha ha ha!” I have paraphrased. But you know the ad I’m talking about.
If that ad doesn’t backfire but actually succeeds, Romney can’t win.
There is no place for Ozzie Nelson in this culture. There is a place, of course — but not an election-winning place. A remnant place. You get to be the target on Saturday Night Live. Never the cool kid, never the mainstreamer.
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It’s one thing to be a left-winger who leads the country to ruin, wittingly or not. But do you have to be an SOB while you’re doing it?
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I remember a very good half-hour on Firing Line between Bill Buckley and Michael Kinsley. They were talking about the basics of life: the relationship between the citizen and the state, etc. And the subject of charity came up, somehow. Kinsley exploded, “People shouldn’t have to receive charity!” (I’m paraphrasing, but closely.) “They are owed payments by the government because they’re human beings!”
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He also says that resistance to higher taxation is “unpatriotic,” as you know. (None dare call it McCarthyism.)
Let’s hope that importing is easy and convenient . . .
(I have since learned he apologized for the remark.)
No, it’s the less well off who need a robust economy. Why Republicans don’t make this point, routinely, is a mystery.
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There is a certain kind of pro-Israel person too — or semi-pro-Israel person: He thinks the country is okay — legitimate — when the people have the wisdom to elect Labor. But when they’re so foolish or malevolent as to elect Likud, all bets are off.
You’ve met this type, right? If you haven’t, or would like to, you can read the New York Times.
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I will be interested to watch the career of Paul Ryan, that admirable man.
And the people said no. “Four more years!”
The thing is, in a democracy, the people decide. It’s their responsibility. They determine what kind of country we’ll be. All you can do is offer them an honest choice. They do the rest.
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From Ulsterman. You have to see this crap to believe it.
Israel will be around long after Obama.
Oh, joy. Holder may be gone, so they are going to shoot for worse:
Crappy Nappy for AG! Well, they’re going to force Susan Rice on us for Sec State. Maybe they can get Charles Manson to do a cameo as some cabinet-level official, too. Why not? It’d be one of the less insane things to come out of the Second Obamanation….
We really have to face it, America has spoken & it was bitter.
There is a visceral hatred of what is viewed as the established
order.
Translated , that is White Males & any White female that is not
down with the struggle.
This may an empty victory. There was a huge stock sell off
yesterday & you know that capital is fleeing off shore.
Ya can’t stick it to da man, if he has secured his stuff
somewhere else.
An email I just sent my wife:
The future as I see it. Obama is a symptom, but the disease is deeper than that.
Speranza wrote:
Expect them to buddy up to Russia now. They have common enemies in the MB.
@ RIX:
Republicans need to learn the politics of personal destruction. I have been saying this the whole year. We also have to start reaching newer voters. We need to make the Democrats the establishment and us the rebels.
Also the Republicans need to drop the lets make the world a better place spread democracy crap. We need a selfish foreign policy.
@ Rodan:
Republicans have got to identify Hispanics that are really not
cultural Democrats.
There needs to be a big push on campus & they need to peel away
single woman by making it clear that nobody is after their contraception.
I agree with you fight fire with fire.
Why weren’t Catholics & other Christians carpet bombed with the story
of Obama’s support for infanticide during the BAIPA debate?
Rodan wrote:
If we could have gotten our old voters to the polls, we would have won. That is amazing to me. How anyone who voted for McCain (McCain!) could have stayed home while Obama won re-election is beyond me.
@ RIX:
Republicans do not know how to fight.
@ Iron Fist:
I think many of them died. Let’s face reality, the Democrats are replenishing their ranks. We can’t depend on the current base forever. We need to expand our base.
Rodan wrote:
3 million didn’t die. That’d basically mean that only republicans died for the last four years. No, many, most of them even, sat at home. And how do you broaden the base? the Hispanic vote? They are mostly Catholic and they voted for the most anti-Catholic President in our history by a margin of 7-8 to 2-3. How do you reach out to them? We can’t promise them more goodies from the Government Grab-bag. Sorry, but that will still break the Country. We offered them religious freedom, and they rejected it in favor of government cheese. We can’t do outreach to such folks.
.@ Iron Fist:
As John Wayne is supposed to have said,
Life is hard, its hard when you’re stupid
Iron Fist wrote:
It is about the complete loss of the rule of law.
Another symptom is vote fraud. More and more evidence is coming up, and some of us are compiling it.
http://1389blog.com/category/evil/crime/election-fraud/
Contributions of evidence and links eagerly accepted.
Oh, and by the way:
Valerie Jarrett has been re-elected, and will run in her own right in 2016. Mark my words.
RIX wrote:
Those people who bash the ones who have stashed their cash (and perhaps themselves) overseas, are secretly wishing they could do the same.
Oh, and by the way, what is happening to Zimbabwe right now. Evidently, they can no longer borrow jack $#!+ from anybody so they’re trying to extract loans from banks via blackmail.
Sound familiar?
That’s where the US grabbermint is headed too.
doriangrey
Am I hiring? The business has about 5 employees. I hired my neice to be manager at $30,000 a year and then 4 employees at $10 and hour. If the economy keeps going south, I might try to replace the $10 employees with $9 employees. That will only save me $6680 over 12 months, but still . . .
@ Iron Fist:
Here is some facts about the udervote:
2012 Florida, Obama received 20,158 more votes than in 2008. Romney
received 173,867 more than McCain did in 2008. No undervote for either.
In
2012 Virginia, Obama received 73,182 less votes than in 2008. Romney
was plus 46,249. Undervote for Obama, overvote for Romney.
In 2012 Ohio, Obama received 11,377 less votes than in 2008. Romney was plus 91,932. Undervote for Obama, overvote for Romney.
In New Hampshire, Obama received 17,260 less votes than in 2008. Romney was plus 9,744.
The under vote came from deep blue states. not swing states.
Easy, do like what Bush did. Talk to Hispanics with respect. They did not for Obama, they voted against the GOP. Obama may have been anti-Catholic, but many Hispanics view the GOP as against them. Hence it was viewed as a defensive vote. The Democrats have built up a huge infrastructure in the Hispanic community. Republicans will need to the same.
When Ann Coulter who is openly anti-Hispanic is viewed as the face of your party, its a problem.
The GOP also lost Asians 75 -20%. It was a vote against the GOP here as well.
It’s a matter of messaging and reaching out. It has nothing to do with handouts. Rush is totally wrong.
We need to make the young, Hispanic and Asians HATE the Democrats. Hatred wins elections. We need to adopt a message of resentment and hate towards the Democrats.
I just heard that 3 million Southern Baptists sat out the vote because Romney is a Mormon.
Urban Infidel wrote:
See my #16. There was no voter drop off in swing states. It was in deep blue or red states.
Urban Infidel wrote:
I doubt that. We know a lot of Southern Baptists and that isn’t what we were hearing from any of them.
On another topic:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/msm-ignored-oct-30-report-showing-us-dropped-out-of-top-10-in-prosperity-index/
Urban Infidel wrote:
Jerks! (if true) They deserve Obama the Islamophile. However I am skeptical about that report.
Rodan wrote:
See, though, that just defies logic. Ann Coulter isn’t the face of the Republican PArty. You keep saying that the illegal alien issue isn’t the issue pushing Hispanics away from the GOP, but what else could it be. Obama is the most anti-Catholic President the United States has ever had. That includes Whigs, Democrats, Republicans, Jeffersonians, the whole gamut, going back to a time when anti-Catholicism bred signs saying “No Dogs or Irish in this Establishment” in businesses. He wants to force y’all to change your religion to accomodate the State’s priorities. That’ll include gay marriage before the end of his term once the Supreme Court signs off on his forcing you to pay for abortion and contraceptives. I’m sorry, but short of trying to deport American citizens who are hispanic, it is difficult to see what Obama could do to more turn y’all against him, but he won your demographic with ease.
@ 1389AD:
This is rumor is just excuse mongering.
Rodan wrote:
I don’t believe it at all. Disinformation.
It is coming out that in the Philadelphia polling places where GOP poll watchers were physically chased out, there was 90% turnout (most unusual anywhere, especially unusual in “minority” precincts) that went 99% for Obama. Possible, but has a very Soviet Union feel to it.
Likewise, it is coming out that 1 in 5 voter registrations in Ohio were bogus. Twenty percent, folks.
Romney lost several states by margins of maybe 40,000. We’re looking at the possibility that the election was stolen by the theft/fraud of perhaps 250,000 votes scattered over about 5 states—each an amount sufficiently small to appear plausible, and scattered widely enough to be hard to detect. Add to that the possibility of some Romney votes getting “lost”—it is very difficult to believe all those tens of thousands at the rallies stayed home sucking their thumbs on election day—and you have to consider the real possibility that while our elections appear to be “free,” they may very well have achieved Potemkin village status.
1389AD wrote:
This just something I read over at another conservative site http://www.freedomtorch.com. No way for me to verify it.
@ Urban Infidel:
I linked this earlier, but you must have missed it:
That would include Southern Baptists. I’d say that if we turned out a record number of Evangelicals, that no significant portion of them sat at home. Evangelicals are already some of the most politically active people in th enation.
I’m working on an article on what can be done and how. It’s based on some things I’ve put up on here the last few days and some things that I have actually seen working in the past.
There’s also a few things from Rodans ideas, things that let us get shots in without turning into our enemies.
We are going to have to look at this as political guerrilla warfare. The “big tent” needs to go up. Hell, the circus has already begun.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I’ve been getting word that the numbers of votes compared to the on the ground counts from some precincts are very different. To the factor of hundreds. Way more votes came out than went in.
Unfortunately this is all word of mouth and nothing can be confirmed.
I’m just glad my state has voter ID and our elections are harder to rig.
Urban Infidel wrote:
It sounds like someone is spreading a lot of disinformation in order to increase conservative anger at each other.
@ Mars:
My state has voter ID, and we went 59-39 for Romney. It isn’t proof, of course, but I’d be interested to see if across the board voter ID states went for Romney while non-voter ID states were more likely to go for Obama. Oh, and hve they finished counting Florida, yet? It doesn’t really matter, but I was wondering who won in the end.
@ Iron Fist:
but what else could it be
I keep saying. It’s the GOP’s tone and lack of outreach. Bush who was one of the worst candidates ever got 44%. How did he do that? easy, by actually really trying to win the Hispanic vote. If you recall, I warned during the primary that Romney attacking Perry and Gingrich’s immigration stance would backfire. I was right.
It’s not the issue of illegal immigration, it’s the way the whole tone is and for many Republicans it has become Hispanic=illegal. Rubio and Martinez warned about this. The Romney campaign did not do Hispanic outreach until it was too late.
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It was a vote against the GOP, not Obama. The Republicans did not have a serious Hispanic outreach program. I was warning about this months ago. I stopped because I did not want start a fight here. Obama spent the last 4 years building infrastructure in the Hispanic community. They were able to convince Hispanic, that Republicans hate them. It worked because the Republicans did not even try to counter argue the Democrats. By the time they did the well was poison.
Hispanic where not the only group, Asians, Young people and single women also went for Dems. They did so because the Democrats did the same thing. They convinced these groups that Republicans hate them. Hence they came out and voted against the Democrats.
Keep in mind that the Blue Wall states that Obama and the Dems have Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and PA are mostly white. Yet the White Working class there went for Obama. They did so for the same reason Hispanics, Asians and Young people did. The Democrats made them hate Republicans.
The problem is broader than Hispanics, it’s the GOP’s lack of marketing skills.
Instead of making excuses, Republicans will need to build infrastructure and micro target. We need to emulate the Left and not dismiss what they did.
Speranza wrote:
Take it at face value. I’m not saying it’s true. There were many variables involved with the outcome. Hell, they’re still counting votes in FL.
Mars wrote:
Look forward to it.
I love your idea of Conservative staking over part of the media.
@ Speranza:
Plus excuse making.
Rodan wrote:
It certainly does not pass the smell test. In fact freedomtorch should be ashamed for not sourcing it.
I think there was massive voter fraud. I even think there is a possibility that the fix was in electronically all along. But. No matter what we find out and no matter how heinous the fraud turns out to be, no one is going to arrest Obama and put Romney in as president. The best that could ever happen would be an impeachment, and that isn’t happening.
Urban Infidel wrote:
Yeah what is the matter with these states that take days to count their votes?
@ Iron Fist:
I saw a link on facebook, on my phone since I am at work, that showed that statement. Almost all the states with voter id went to Romney. All the areas that went Obama didn’t have it.
@ Rodan:
I still don’t see how outreach helps us. Obama versus the GOP should have been an easy decision for any Catholic. Catholics voting for Obama would be like blacks voting for Nathan Bdford Forrest, who was, BTW, a Democrat…
Speranza wrote:
Further, why are winners called when not all the votes are in? Some as low as 25% counted were being rapidly called. What’s the deal with jamming our vital voting process through like a quickie with an ugly whore?
PaladinPhil wrote:
I’m in NY and they didn’t ask me for ID.
Obama won the National Enquirer vote. He employed fear and revenge as his weapons of choice. He still hates America.
@ PaladinPhil:
That is suspicious. With Obama in th eWhite House, we won’t be seeing many more states requiring voter ID. Because it should be easier to vote than to buy beer, you know…
@ Speranza:
@ father_of_10:
@ Urban Infidel:
@ Iron Fist:
If this happens, I am voting Libertarian.
2016 election: Hillary Clinton vs. Jeb Bush?
Iron Fist wrote:
It’s not that simple. Obama and his micro targeting poisoned the well for Romney.
Look at how Obama’s negative ads dug a big whole for Romney in Ohio. The Dems are better at this than we are. We need to learn.
Iron Fist wrote:
It doesn’t. Racial divide is growing and the American values are being discarded or not even picked up
darkwords wrote:
He won the resentment vote. I heard a lot of ‘Romney’s-rich’-so-I’m-not-voting-for-him in the more stupid quarters.
@ 41 Urban Infidel: Obama was massaging the voter rolls for up to a year before the election. Looking at the low GoP turnout in such an important election, I do tend to think a lot of the stay at homes were anti Mormons upset about Joesph Smith still. Maybe more work with religious leaders would have helped. I also think the GoP failed to leverage Ron Paul supporters. Though we laugh at them a lot, they had a serious smart enthusiastic contingent of supporters that were young. It would be interesting to learn how they actually voted and why.
Rodan wrote:
If that’s the best we have to offer, I might actually leave the country. Have no idea where I’d actually go, just sayin’..
@ Urban Infidel:
Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Urban Infidel wrote:
I will vote Libertarian.
@ 36 father_of_10: WEll maybe some fraud will leak out of some election being recounted in great detail. Then it could escalate.
Apparently the media is going apeshit over Rush’s Santa Claus bit yesterday. Calling him every name in the book.
Rodan wrote:
Now would be a good time to learn.
Rodan wrote:
It mattered not when I told them that Obama is quite wealthy and has made more money as a sitting president than ever before in history. I even tossed in the Clintons and John Kerry as some of the richest people in politics.
@ Rodan:
That’s Politico’s masturbation fantasy. That way they couldn’t lose nomatter who wins. I think the Country and the Republican Party are sick of the Bushes. If Jeb runs I don’t think he’ll be anywhere near as popular as he thinks he will be. OTOH,
This is interesting:
My bet this early on, for what that’s worth, is that Rubio is the man to beat. You want to talk outreach to Hispanics? If Rubio can’t win them over, they aren’t winnable.
Any serious leadership test Obama will fail. HE let himself be ran by his need to be re elected as POTUS.
The Catholic Church put on a full court press
to defeat Obama.
But Catholics split 50/50!
I’m thinking a scorched earth policy. I am also thinking that conservatives need to be blatant about holding the liberals in disdain; we need to be in their face about their idiocy.
Then there’s my thoughts on the fiscal cliff.
haha Bitterfest 2012 i like it
Liberals need to be corrected in School Boards and local governments. Focus on personal responsibility and competition and talk against anything else.
@ 58 RIX:
Well i have a friend who is past child rearing years and she voted her body. No concern whatsoever about jobs, about Israel.
How do you persuaded someone like that unless they have an actual revelation from G-d
Rodan wrote:
I don’t know if that would have mattered in this election anyway. If our culture is corrupt and surely it is..how can you make people think that trillions of dollars in debt is more important than abortion? Or Big Bird? Whether or not ones realizes it the obama campaign ran on social issues…voting for obama is like having sex for the first time?? Really? Yet the American people felt this is fine. I found it outrageous..but not 1/2 of Americans. Our freedom of Religion is under attack…yet that didn’t even spur people to get out and vote against an atheist/pro-Islam president. Our foreign policy is in the sewer siding with our enemies and watching our people die and doing nothing. No none of that would have helped with people thinking like this. Our culture has embraced evil…and voted in evil. Because obama surely didn’t keep his mask on during this election….revenge, hate, racism, Romney evil (although he is an American), death threats against Romney if he won, New black panther intimation at some voting sites..there is a rot in America and we are reaping from that rot.
I also think we underrated Obama’s lingering glow with his followers since we have just been so completely horrified by this presidency.
Iron Fist wrote:
I doubt it. If he were a Latino or a Black, then yes, but as a white man, no.
Iron Fist wrote:
I hear Bashir Assad is looking for a job.
father_of_10 wrote:
This.
Sultan Knish has some interesting thoughts on ‘what we lost.’
@ Iron Fist:
Rubio won 60% of them in Florida. Nationally he will get 40-45%. But the problem is bigger than Hispanics. It’s Asians, Young people and Single Women.
As for Bush vs. Clinton, don’t rule it out. The Republican Establishment will go all in for Jeb Bush.
Iron Fist wrote:
Think Allen West or Clarence Thomas could win the blacks over?
RIX wrote:
They were in a sense..they knew about it and didn’t care. Absolutely didn’t care about infanticide in the least. They were more concerned with and I quote some obama voters,
“I am unemployed but voted for obama because this nation is still racist.”
“I voted for obama because he really cares about the American people.”
(could have fooled me because he has no concern about American lives Benghazi he watched Americans die)
“I voted for obama because I know what the Republicans are all about and it is greed and more wars.”
(again could have fooled me obama himself is pretty damn rich and started a war in Libya.)
@ Iron Fist:
Obama would get away with it.
Urban Infidel wrote:
Obama also makes life harder for people they hate so they like that better than having their own quality of life improve
@ RIX:
Seems to be a lot of CINO’s out there. I am not catholic but if you are, then part of that is to believe in the church doctrines. People look at religion as a cafeteria style pick what you want.
Canadian opinion here. The government is run by crooks as is Wall Street. Paper currencies will catch fire. Look after yourselves because NO ONE in government will do it for you. This admin will kick the can down the road faster than any other. At the same time, they will increasingly divide the country by race and social class. This blog will remain ahead of the curve of hopelessly uninformed masses.
(that last one was from the magic eight ball in my head)
Iron Fist wrote:
Face it but what I’ve figured out is that it was indeed about religion. Everyone I asked about Romney I got the answer: OmG, he is a Mormon. American Journalists on TV here only argued against Romney that he is a Mormon. Sometimes it was absurd because when asked what else do you have against him the answer was: didn’t you hear it, he’s a Mormon !
Me thinks that many Catholics stayed at home because of their disgust against Mormonism.
@ Lily:
Yup, the Democrats have successfully created a climate of hate of Republicans.
So what ever happened to our military votes? Did they get ever get counted or were they ‘lost at sea’? Or eaten by Bo the dog?
Iron Fist wrote:
People didn’t care..or wanted to teach a lesson..or didn’t want a mormon and a catholic…who knows..but they stayed at home. There was enough information out there to know this country is in dire straights..yet they didn’t care to go and vote. I read our country wrong. I thought “Now they see who obama really is!” Boy was I wrong.
All the warning flags were thrown up despite the media carrying obama’s water. Mitt would have been an excellent president. But no…even with obama’s base not as fired up he still won. Riddle me that?
Have you ever wondered, What if? Serious Question here… What if….
@ Lily:
The drop off in votes came from Deep Blue and Deep Red states. In Swing states, Romney increased his votes over the McCain totals. But it was not good enough.
nominate a young, groovy, laid back, good haired talker and promote him like a rock star….nobody will care what he says, just blab all the usual drivel and people will eat it up…people love clones and copy cats…it’s all in the pitch, the presentation…to hell with the issues, they’re too complicated, but people love being part of an event…BO did it, just shamelessly mimic his gig
Rodan wrote:
I just saw some Dem Senate talking head on Bloomberg blame the Republicans for everything. He said “Tea Party” just before his head exploded. /
@ Lily:
Micro targeting, that’s why.
@ yenta-fada:
It worked. I warned everyone here about what was going on.
I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that Romney got 3 million fewer Republican votes than McCain. In an election like this, how the hell do you not show up?
yenta-fada wrote:
Dow down 261 points yesterday, down 121 today, it’s already burning…
Rodan wrote:
Yes. I was reading the comments over at Romney’s facebook page yesterday and it is a roiling spew of pure hatred coming from the Barrybots--the real mob. Like a fusion of Occupy and thug culture. Real nasty.
MacDuff wrote:
it called the Honey Boo Boo Effect
MacDuff wrote:
What makes you so sure they didn’t show up. Joesph Stalin said, “It’s not important how many votes are cast, only who counts the votes”.
Serious Question here… What if….
Iron Fist wrote:
This truly preplexes me…the Hispanic vote went against the tenets of the Church who most certainly warned them of who excatly obama is …yet they rejetted God and his tenets for a man who is everything against the morals of the Catholic Church! How in the hell do you fix that?
Not just Hispanic Catholic’s…but apparently a lot of Catholic’s. They are Christian in name only…those who voted against their own Churches warnings?? What they didn’t believe what the Church had to say? Or just rejetted it so they could have more sex, free abortions, free birth control (which by the way was already free before obama even brought this up with this war on women crap)…it’s insanity to be honest.
doriangrey wrote:
I just looked at the discussion points. They seem quite relevant to me. I think OBAMA was surprised that he won, frankly. Voter fraud played a big part. All of the usual suspects that we flog to death here combined to bring America to its knees by Executive Orders. Expect more of the same. grrrrr.
MacDuff wrote:
That undervote came only from Deep Red and Blus States.
2012 Florida, Obama received 20,158 more votes than in 2008. Romney
received 173,867 more than McCain did in 2008. No undervote for either.
In
2012 Virginia, Obama received 73,182 less votes than in 2008. Romney
was plus 46,249. Undervote for Obama, overvote for Romney.
In 2012 Ohio, Obama received 11,377 less votes than in 2008. Romney was plus 91,932. Undervote for Obama, overvote for Romney.
In New Hampshire, Obama received 17,260 less votes than in 2008. Romney was plus 9,744.
The under vote came from deep blue and red states, not swing states.
These are the facts, in swing states Romney did better than McCain.
MacDuff wrote:
I actually had to talk two conservative friends down in TExas of all places, into voting. She did and he didn’t because he registered late.
the gop failed to get its base out
the gop lost in the single women column by a huge margin
the gop lost the latin vote big
the gop did poorly with young people/urbanites.
so the gop has a real problem, first with the base, so the candidate is going to need to be more conservative, HOWEVER, this might turn off the chix and urabans.
how to fix this conundrum? lets run a real conservative who says that gay marriage and the rest of the social crap is a states issue and leave it at that.
actively court the latins, we dont need all of them, half will do just fine.
every time we get trapped with the abortion/women’s rights issues. every damn time. are we too stupid not to see this and prevent this choke hold that the left does to us every 4 years?
and then we botch the latin vote. they are mostly catholic and very stron family people, hellooooo!!!! this should be a natural fit. our socons sit there and bitch about family values and then go all anti-latin and boom! the very pro-family people they want are driven away! we are assuredly stupid.
look, the gop won all over the map at the local level, so there is popularity in the message.
we can run a true conservative and win with these groups if we are smart and dont fall for the same damn traps over and over and over again. put the socon issue thing back on the individual states were it belongs and maybe go actually talk WITH some latins next time.
Urban Infidel wrote:
The Left: churlish in defeat, graceless in victory.
heysoos wrote:
Now there’s a kid that makes post-natal abortion look like a pretty good idea….
@ RIX:
All you have to see are the Catholic Democrats I know here in California. They worship Pelosi, Biden, et al., anyone with a D after their name.
As most of the ones I know are available to me only on my work Outlook as far as contacts — I have decided I am cutting every one of them loose in an email when I return to the office on Monday. Every time I see them, I’ll see someone who betrayed their church and betrayed their country.
Urban Infidel wrote:
The scapegoating of half of the U.S. population continues apace. There’s more than enough bitterness to go around. Very few will take responsibility for problems in their own lives. Call it a ‘hipster’ effect on a larger scale.
Iron Fist wrote:
No. Virginia is a voter id state and we went for Obama
Urban Infidel wrote:
Bingo! And Romney had a Catholic VP…a double whammy. Unbelievable.
But hey…they weren’t concerned about their religious freeddoms??? They are in for a big surprise now aren’t they!
@ Lily:
The reason Hispanics voted for The Democrats is because the Dems micro-targetted them. They convinced them Republicans hate them. The Republicans did not try to even contest the Hispanic vote. The counted on the White working class. Guess what, their gamble failed. The GOP needs to build infrastructure in the Hispanic and Asian communities. The Democrats are better organized. Religion is not enough to get people to vote for you.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
My mom once told me anyone can learn to be a good loser. It’s the learning to be a good winner that separates the wheat from the chafe.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I caught your statement on election day that you were out of town visiting your mother who is ill. Prayers for her.
@ 1389AD:
I don’t doubt it. At all.
doriangrey wrote:
It’s crossed my mind once or twice…….
coldwarrior hits a homer…
“how to fix this conundrum? lets run a real conservative who says that gay marriage and the rest of the social crap is a states issue and leave it at that.”
the far right is clueless to the damage they do to the party with heir socon rampages….they profess states rights then turn around and want social issues to become federal law…well said amigo
Rodan wrote:
Some of the rhetoric from the candidates during the GOP primary debates frankly (and I am thinking Santorum, Bachmann and yes even Mitt Romney) came across way too hostile. Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich were far more reasonable.
doriangrey wrote:
It is pretty well accepted that the Daley and LBJ machines stole the 1960 election for JFK—and that was just for good old-time boodle and power.
Why would anyone doubt that, in an election which was between two utterly opposite ideological foes—capitalism/freedom and communism/servitude—every single stop was not pulled out by the side which had been building a nationwide voter fraud machine for forty years, and which, despite minor name changes, remained intact?
It appears that the election could have been—may have been—stolen by the manipulation of as few as 250,000 votes in perhaps five key states.
@ MacDuff:
Mine too. I thought between the fraud and the military votes Obama might pull out the win.
heysoos wrote:
Welcome to the club! Put aside these divisive red meat issues and stick to a 10th amendment (states) position. We get distracted by a lot of crap.
Lily wrote:
Biden is a Catholic.
Rodan wrote:
We need to learn new tactic’s not go back to old evil Alinsky tactic’s…that’s making a deal with the devil to defeat the devil. No good can come from that. Just my opinion.
Rodan wrote:
That kinda makes sense, alas. In my heart, I’m all for the electoral college but I think I’d like to see more states apportion their votes according to the popular vote.
Urban Infidel wrote:
I have heard this too..and obama is what??? Begging on the street? Living the high-life on our tax dollars and enjoying every minute of it.
Speranza wrote:
Yeah, so says he.
Mars wrote:
Well there goes the media is going to be reporting more honestly now.
MacDuff wrote:
Yea, but does Jesus Christ agree with him?
Rodan wrote:
Obama has been buying votes since day one with tax payer dollars. Unless you are willing to pay more per vote it will remain this way
heysoos wrote:
walk off homer!
Speranza wrote:
and Heysoos is the Pope
Ok, everybody read this. Heather MacDonald of the Manhatten Institute
Why Hispanics Don’t Vote for Republicans
And by J. Christian Adams:
GOP ‘Outreach’ to Hispanics Won’t Work
Urban Infidel wrote:
I live in a deep red state as well but for me, voting is cathartic. There was also the matter of “mandate” -- either creating one or denying one.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Btw, your idea of unlimited terms for POTUS? Welcome to Emperor Obama
How cold is it?
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doriangrey wrote:
I’m thinking he’s smarter than that..
RIX wrote:
Amazing isn’t it. But I had hoped the idiots in the Catholic Church who voted straight D would find it offensive that the Church was being attacked..nope. From family memebers who are Catholic..they said the Catholic Church is Republican and Republican’s are evil. Yep they no longer can see evil or good even though they go to Church. Even though the Church said they were under attack, they didn’t believe it. The devil sure has pulled the wool over this peoples eyes. How do you convert them to vote for their best interests..you can’t.
Lily wrote:
Well then, 50 percent of Catholics need to be excommunicated.
@ MacDuff:
I meant He’s smarter than that.
Lily wrote:
not only, isn’t he a millionaire himself because of his book sells ?
waldensianspirit wrote:
We had unlimited terms for POTUS right up until the Republicans decided to posthumously revenge themselves upon FDR. But whether Obama stays or goes after this term will not depend upon the Constitution; I suspect he’s had the Constitution printed onto his toilet paper so that he can literally as well as figuratively wipe his ass with it every day.
Urban Infidel wrote:
I think we thought the American people would come to their senses after everything he has done to hurt this country…we were so wrong.
In fact it isn’t that easy to define what happened Tuesday night.
@ MacDuff:
Hey now! It isn’t her fault she’s Honey Boo Boo. Blame the adults around her.
Too bad our Repbs in Congress and the Senate are not willing to fall on their swords for the future of the country. Here’s what I’m thinking. In regards to the fiscal cliff, the Dems are already in the process of making this tragedy a Republican problem. They are going to do ti by drafting a fix that will include stuff that the Repubs will NOT be able to sign on to. If that happens, the Repubs will vote against the fix, crap happens and it is blamed on the R’s.
If the Republicans knuckle under, then the fix will be far worse than the problem. I am confident that the Dms have no idea how to fix the problem, so their only course is to make sure the R’s get the blame.
Here’s my solution: Every Republican vote PRESENT for what the Dems propose. Not one yea and not one nay. Tell the Dems that it is their problem and they have to fix it without any input or involvement from the Republicans. If the Republicans all stuck together and did this, the Democrats would be scared shitless and they would be begging the Republicans for help. Then the R’s should propose a real fix and tell the Dems to do it the R way or forget it.
But no one in congress has any balls.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
No doubt!
Rodan wrote:
Oh indeed it makes no sense they hate 1/2 the American people. Republicans are Americans they aren’t evil…try to get this into someones skull who is so totally brain-washed..you can’t. Now they are going to be reaping the real evil they so feared.
Urban Infidel wrote:
They went down in a plane crash last I heard.
Lily wrote:
apathy…a lot of Americans are very turned off by this ghastly dog and pony show, campaigning instead of serving, a couple of billion that could be better spent, all the rhetoric, lies, shucking and jiving….presidential elections, in my view, are the worst demonstration of who Americans are and what they take serious…it’s a disgrace and millions of people just refuse to participate and I don’t blame them
I’d like someone to explain to me how the “issues” of blacks, Hispanics, women, Jews, paraplegic Armenians, or any other damned manufactured interest group are any different than that of my own white ass in a presidential election.
And don’t even get me started on how women, who hold an edge in population, have been positioned as an aggrieved minority!
Bitter? Oh, hell, you don’t know the half of it!
Speranza wrote:
Make that a small ‘c’ Catholic. Very small.
@ eaglesoars:
mcdonald is flawed. californian mexicans are not the same as cuban floridians. had she titled her report ‘why californian mexicans dont vote gop’ then the study would be valid
the latins are not monolithic. we only need 40-50% of them for now, not 100%
Rodan wrote:
No it wasn’t enough..and honestly I don’t understand why…oh there is theroies abound..but the math isn’t adding up too well.
Rodan wrote:
There wasn’t enough gays or women or hypnated-Americans to actually give the push..and shame on those women who actually thought there was a war on women..this election made NO SENSE. None what-so-ever.
father_of_10 wrote:
I totally agree.
waldensianspirit wrote:
It’s all about government cheese to these people who voted for Obama. TYhey voted in record numbers to keep the handouts coming. That is just the simple truth, and it is why no amount of “outreach” can work. We can’t out-bid the Democrats in this game. The Democrats want to bankrupt America. That is the goal, not just a feature of their plans. They want to bring the system down, so that they can replace it with a one-party Socialist State.
MacDuff wrote:
There you go, making all kinds of sense right there. I am sick to the back teeth hearing about every identity ‘gimme’ group under the sun. What the hell do they need that no one else does?
@ Speranza:
it’s all about micro-targeting. We need to stop making excuses.
@ father_of_10:
And every day read the national debt and Obama’s name into the congressional record
Urban Infidel wrote:
What was their reason for not wanting to vote???
@ Lily:
It makes perfect sense. The Democrats micro-targeted groups and made them hate Republicans. It’s a brilliant strategy. David Axelrod and Jim Messina are geniuses. We need to learn from them and emulate what they did in 2016.
oh look!…it’s 2012
time to invent a voting machine that works…not
Rio Rancho NM voters waited over 5 hrs to vote….not
our fighting people are frozen out of the process…not
polling locations are pimping candidates…not
finding ballots in a box in a trunk…not
calling states with only 25% tallied…not
we have to untie these nots…I’m really underwhelmed
@ Lily:
The Democrats are masters of Projection. Republicans aren’t eveil. It is the Democrats who are evil. They simply successfully project their evil onto the Republicans to conceal their true nature.
@ Lily:
I think this story is bunk, never heard of Shindad, and amazingly not one mention of the crew. Just a plane crash and all the ballots may have burned up…nobody hurt or killed? What type of plane? Did the Air Force or whomever ground the fleet to determine the cause? Was it a Class A mishap, Class B mishap? A lot of questions here too.
Lily wrote:
They distrust/don’t like government period. They think that our current elections are a sham and that the world government has already taken over. They are also truthers as it fits in with their deep conspiracy world view. They hate Obama, don’t get me wrong, but they weren’t going to vote and I insisted.
Rodan wrote:
With a candidate like obama what do you do? Nothing sticks to him he actually breaks laws…and then he gets voted back in. I don’t know how you fight it. (I also included all Catholic’s who voted for obama…it’s insanity!)
@ Rodan:
Actually it was Rove’s strategy, executed by the nobama camp. He was the master of micro targetting, it is why he had the spastic reaction to Michael Barone’s calling of Ohio.
@ eaglesoars:
More excuses! How did Bush get 45% in 2004? If Republicans want to give up on the Hispanic vote then they will never win another Presidential election.
Young people voted heavily Dem as did Asians. This is not Hispanic problem, it’s GOP not understanding how to appeal to voters problem.
Iran fires on US drone.
bluliner10 wrote:
It worked in 2004 for the GOP. It worked for the Dems in 2012. The truth is we lost because Obama ran a better campaign. The GOP fought the last war, the Dems fought a new war.
Rodan wrote:
It didn’t take much; rather validate their hate. And in many cases:
Read Obamabots online or even ones calling in to cspan.
Micro-targeting shows how compartmentalized America has become. It’s not about America for the Democrats, it’s about the ‘me.’
@ Iron Fist:
Republicans need to emulate that evil. That is the only way to win.
heysoos wrote:
And obama didn’t run on *social issues*? yes he did and boy oh boy it got him votes..Big Bird..abortion, late-term abortion, womens rights (which were never in danger)…how do you conteract that? The economy doesn’t matter to these people…
Kafir wrote:
Well, I was being facetious, I would probably stop if she walked out in front of my car.
Seriously though, I find it horrifying that so many people don’t find that type of TV fare horrifying. It’s just depressing borderline child abuse with people tuning in as voyeurs.
One thing we can do to O now is make sure his legacy is forever tied to his cowardice with Benghazi. Impeach now!
@ Rodan:
Just don’t want to give too much credit to the creepy duo. They executed the playbook very well. They sure as hell don’t have the smarts to create it.
@ waldensianspirit:
Republicans don’t help themselves either. They make stupid statements and then its used against them.
Republicans need to study marketing and Public relations.
@ Speranza:
Catholic in name only…he isn’t really that much Catholic to be honest.
bluliner10 wrote:
They executed a brilliant battle plan. Mitt Romney advisers thought this was 1980. It was 2012 and the Democrats grasped that.
Anybody else remember the ventriloquist Senor Wences, who used to appear on the Ed Sullivan Show? He did ventriloquism with his hand, painted up to look like a face, and he had a “head” in a box that was constantly yelling, “Open the box! Close the box!”
Somebody needs to do some Senora Wantsthis ventriloquism on YouTube, with a hand painted to represent a talking vagina, and maybe a little bit of “close the box!” action, to try and explain—with humor—why the high-traffic Sandra Fluke lifestyle is the wrong way to go.
Urban Infidel wrote:
The “Me Generation” has had kids, who are the “Uber-Me Generation.”
heysoos wrote:
Excatly.
@ eaglesoars:
.
I agree with this. That’s why I said the GOP needs to build infrastructure.
Urban Infidel wrote:
Remember the Army’s (horrible) tagline “An Army of One”? I want to be “An Interest Group of One”.
heysoos wrote:
Harry Reid is a Mormon
MacDuff wrote:
You’ve got something there.
waldensianspirit wrote:
MacDuff wrote:
Identity politics, without voter ID.
Here’s the thing about “not talking about socon issues on the national level, but only on the state level.” It won’t work, for one very simple reason. The states are the farm team for national political figures; you start out at the state level, where you talk about social issues—where you have to talk about them—and you will have a record when you try to get to the national stage.
And social issues are important. I’m not talking about Big Bird and “binders of women,” I’m talking about school choice and curriculum; the morals of, not the individual abortion, but of the pro-abortion culture which devalues women and children and the concept of personal responsibility; that religion is important not because of the sect you belong to or your personal concept of God so much as the recognition of personal responsibility (as distinct from government responsibility) and interconnectedness, etc.
These things are important, and they have to be talked about. They must be talked about on the state and local level in order to lay the groundwork for being able to talk about them also on the national level—for it is only by recognizing the importance of personal responsibility at the local level that people can be brought to understand, once again, the concept that the government’s powers not only are limited (by the limits of finance and practicality), but should and must be limited not only because of the Constitution, but for the safety of us all.
doriangrey wrote:
I don’t disagree … at all.
waldensianspirit wrote:
You’ve got an extra “m” in there, buddy.
Guggi wrote:
Yep and he sure does have a lot of money from being president..wonder were the rest came from?
@ MacDuff:
@ buzzsawmonkey:
frikin’ communist keyboard
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Heh.
Rodan wrote:
A snip from radical Ann Barnhardt:
I spoke to this point in my presentation, calling out the intellectually and morally superior people in society to reassert themselves and wrest back control of society from the imbeciles and psychopaths. Did you just squirm at my use of the phrase “intellectually superior”? I’ll bet you did. We have all been taught and inculcated to believe that any acknowledgement of intellectual superiority of anyone over anyone else is RACIST, and this capitulation to self-loathing and lack of character is why civilization is collapsing. Believe it or not, this is actually a failure in HUMILITY. Humility is NOT self-loathing or false modesty. The root of the word humble means HONEST. Humility is being HONEST about one’s self. Usually this means acknowledging one’s faults, but in other areas it means being honest about and acknowledging the POSITIVE aspects of one’s self.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
most politicians never leave the state/local level.
offer that the social issue should be put in a referendum for voters to decide at the state level and leave it at that.
we cant keep making this same socon trap mistake over and over and over again. this cost us 3 senate seats and many voters for president yet we carried well in the house. we win at the local level.
My first idea for breaking the democrat’s base --
Abortion and the gays.
Most gays are convinced they are born that way. I contend that it is a behavior, a choice. My argument for this: with all the study of the human DNA, nobody has found the gay gene. Gays will continually attempt to convince me that just because science has not found the natural cause to their “preference”, does not mean it is not there.
How to separate -- how many parents are willing to give birth to a gay child? Do you support abortion now?
Rodan wrote:
I’m not following the ‘excuses’ part. I thought it was explanation.
??
As for young people voting heavily Dem -- that’s brings up something I wanted to point out. These morons won’t always be young. They WILL however, be much poorer than my generation.
I’m not sure what that bodes. As my generation dies off, there will be fewer of the comfortable to support all their entitlements. Then what?
eaglesoars wrote:
greece.
and i am starting to think that the faster we get to that point the better.
@ eaglesoars:
The Government wants to be the only employer and Oligarchy. Old Soviet Union style, imo.
Rodan wrote:
Hate on hate? Fight hate with hate..wouldn’t the truth be better and why in the world do we have so many fractured hyphenated-Americans?
This needs to stop we are all Americans…not _________-Americans. To me these are old tactic’s that the democrats use and could very well blow up in the Republicans faces…because then they would turne the tables and say SEE look how hatefull the Republicans are. There needs to be a NEW way. Already the press is b*tching about how BOTH campaigns were negative especially Romney’s campaign. Unbelievable…Romney was more negative than obama?
The next separation would be blacks and the pro-abortion lobby. That is even easier. Most abortions are black babies. It is what Margaret Sanger wanted and the nazi’s that follow her want that too. It is why planned parenthood is located in the hood.
bluliner10 wrote:
And this gets us exactly where? Pointless.
Do light skinned blacks have the same issues as dark skinned blacks and should we relate to each differently? What are their issues?
How about half black half Mexican, are they black or hispanic and how do we relate to them? Some of this group speaks Spanish and some don’t, do we relate to each differently? What are their issues?
Brazilians look Hispanic, but they speak Portuguese, how do we relate to them? What are their issues?
Do we relate to black Cubans as Hispanic or black? What are their issues?
Some Hispanics are very dark skinned, could be black, could be Hispanic, should we just ask them what they are so as to ascertain their issues?
So, so many questions.
coldwarrior wrote:
me too. let ‘em feel the pain.
eaglesoars wrote:
agreed
yenta-fada wrote:
I’m waiting for Pacepa’s new book.
Iron Fist wrote:
True…but it is so thin I don’t understand how people believed all that crap. Yet they did.
coldwarrior wrote:
This ‘election’ will probably hasten the financial crash. I think there will be a currency re-set since most nations are BROKE. Including Canada wrt debt, entitlements, and Socialism.
bluliner10 wrote:
I think it was Hannity who had 2 black ministers on his show shortly before the election. One of them had preached from the pulpit about Obama’s support for gay marriage and abortion on demand and how it was all a threat to the black community.
The other minister said ‘social justice’ was more important (paraphrasing here).
The black community is not monolithic about this.
bluliner10 wrote:
I believe it is bunk too. No mention of a plane crash or casualities…just the ballots went down in a plane crash…a plane crash that wasn’t covered in any media out-lets…WOW I say. How timely that crash occurred.
We’re off to the Hunger Games, or Mad Max. Just remember that you don’t have to pick, because fate will make the selection for us all.
eaglesoars wrote:
We can OUTREAD our enemies. lol. That’s a GOOD thing!
yenta-fada wrote:
inflation will kill me…everything I have is in cash and a small amt of gold
Lily wrote:
I think it was Speranza who said “the masses are asses”. Yep.
yenta-fada wrote:
not to worry. We’re about to get downgraded again. Bernanke will print more money. I’m waiting for the inflation to hit.
Think gas and food are expensive now? Just wait.
Urban Infidel wrote:
Doesn’t make sense if they hate obama seems like they would want to see him voted out. I tell you very strange election this was. I could wrap my head around the 2008 election..but it is very hard for me to wrap my head around this one.
MacDuff wrote:
I’m half Irish Catholic American and Jewish American AND [BONUS +}… wait for it.. I’m a WOMAN. I’d like to have separate interest group for each one. Holy crap, that’s three separate electoral votes right there.
coldwarrior wrote:
Now you’re talking my language. I believe the Republican Congress critters should just vote present as @ father_of_10 says.
I believe it is impossible to persuade the Obamabots. Be like persuading 1.0 because guess what; they are 1.0
yenta-fada wrote:
pfffftt!!
I owe you an email.
I’m hungry. I just don’t know what I want. Hate that.
yenta-fada wrote:
Except that a lot of kids can’t really “read” anymore….unless it’s in “text language”.
Urban Infidel wrote:
Addendum: I’m a heterosexual. That makes 4.
Rodan wrote:
I don’t think it was a Hispanic problem or this problem or that problem….there were a whole lot of problems and the rot in our media and culture. No one is willing to stand up anymore.
Urban Infidel wrote:
You’re ISSUES! WHAT ARE YOU’RE ISSUES? Inquiring minds want to know so we can RELATE to you!
waldensianspirit wrote:
You are right it didn’t take much at all. Not at all.
MacDuff wrote:
I meant “your”. I HATE it when that happens!
Lily wrote:
right you are…all the micro management of voter blocs, fussing about a bigger tent etc is meaningless because of the bloat of voters that don’t vote…apathy and burnout are killing us
MacDuff wrote:
Gee, I don’t know. How about free whiskey, matzos and birth control?
Rodan wrote:
Democrats make even stupider statements and they get a pass. Explain that?
MacDuff wrote:
Or Voltaire, but I’m ok with Speranza.
bluliner10 wrote:
Forget “gay gene,” and notice that the gay lobby itself has no definition of what “gay” is—or rather, that “gay” is a constantly-malleable definition which alters to whatever is politically advantageous at the moment. For example:
1) The usual term is “LGBT”; this stands for “lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender.” “Lesbian” was added because the lesbians decided that “gay really applies to men,” and it is listed first because “women are historically more oppressed” (no, I’m not making this up; I’ve heard gay-lobby partisans say this). “Bisexual” is supposed to cover those attracted to both sexes, but the gays uniformly consider “bisexuals” as “gays who don’t have the guts to come out,” and consider them not quite-quite; an example of this was when, last year, a gay softball league on the West Coast would not permit bisexuals to participate because they were “not gay enough.”
2) “Transgender” is the antithesis of “gay and proud”; if you take transgenderism on its own claims, those who proclaim themselves thus are “not gay,” but merely “trapped in the wrong body”—and are seeking to self-mutilate to conform in appearance to what they “believe” themselves to be. The gay lobby keeps transgenders in the laundry list because, first, they know that the claim to not actually be gay is usually a lie; second, because transgenderism is so out there that some of the other lulus in the gay community look downright normal by comparison; third, and most important, because the transgenders are being used as pawns by the gay lobby to create the fact of same-sex marriage even in jurisdictions where it is not legal. If a man married to a woman decides suddenly to go transgender, as has happened, then lobbies for a retroactive birth certificate change, as has happened, you have a “same-sex marriage” whether same-sex marriage is legal or not.
3) The gay lobby often adds on other letters to its LGBT alphabet soup; the most common is “QQ,” for “Queer” and “Questioning.” “Queer” is a political designation, more radical than “gay”; “questioning” is a way to include all those kids who might have enjoyed a jerkoff fest behind the garage at some point. The purpose of ever-younger sex education is not only to get kids to self-define as “gay” as young as possible, when they are the most confused by puberty, but to get their fellows to define them as gay—thereby funneling the kids into a mindset, behavior pattern, and social interaction which will ensure that they are in the “gay community” by the time they are in their early-mid twenties, after which it is very difficult to change “sides” regardless of one’s desires.
In addition, the gay lobby refers to “sexual orientation” (innate) and “sexual preference” (volitional) as circumstances warrant. “Preference” was used commonly back in the ’70s and ’80s, but then the lobby realized that one could not claim aggrieved minority status so easily if one’s behavior was recognized as volitional, so “orientation” became the preferred term. “Preference,” however, makes a comeback when there is political advantage to using it.
In short, the lobby intentionally keeps things vague in order to throw as wide a demographic net as possible while avoiding specificity like the plague.
Lily wrote:
the MSM decides who is the villain and who gets elected…the MSM is corrupt and abusive of the Constitutional rights
@ Urban Infidel:
@ MacDuff:
These. Also, keep the social conservative issues as State’s Rights — 9th — 10th Amendment issues.
Rodan wrote:
I don’t see how. Obama gaffed, appeared indifferent, made stupid statements…it all boiled down to America is still racist and even though I’m out of a job I’m voting obama because he cares.
The Republicans ran on unity of the United States and fiscal responsibility and this was wrong?
Looks like Allen West was right not to concede. He’s now up
This probably isn’t the thread for it, but someday I’d like to have a discussion about what’s happened to me in this culture.
Andrea Tanteros pointed out that ‘free’ birth control is an issue that’s migrated from the financially strapped woment to college educated suburban woman.
Among other things, I think this speaks to the diminished role of men as men, fathers and friends thanks to a feminism that insists on marginalizing half the human race.
Where’s ferb and outsider? Their job is done?
@ eaglesoars:
Wrath used to say that “feminism is the ideology that declares women are worthless unless they are just like men.”
waldensianspirit wrote:
And he only runs at a state level not a national level.
America hasn’t built a gas refinery in 35 years. 75% of NYC gas stations are closed and begins gas rationing.
Lily wrote:
RAAAAACIST!!
waldensianspirit wrote:
WHOA!!
Urban Infidel wrote:
Putting the “lean” in “gasoline.”
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
Allow me to adjust that a bit:
Feminism is the ideology that declares men are worthless unless they are just like women.
Urban Infidel wrote:
heh…you reap what you sow…there are not enough rational thinkers in this country to care for all the idiots….mathematically, people are going to suffer and die
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Anybody see what nevergiveup has to say about the election?
MacDuff wrote:
well, WE break up the white vote into male and female, social con or not, fiscon or not, liberal, married or single, urban or rural…
yet we see latins/blacks/young people as single blocks.
gop are idiots
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Why does anybody have to be PROUD of being gay or black or Hispanic, etc.? Rhetorical question, but the manipulation of language is part of the chipping away of critical thought.
Bloomberg is into Big Gulps, salt, and duck guts…other than that he has no clue….nice going NYC
Christie Calls Obama To Congratulate Him, E-Mails Romney…
hey
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
When I was a young lass the first time I heard about feminism, I wasn’t sure what it meant. I already had the right to vote, to drive, o wear pants, to own property, to go to school and to compete in the real world on an even playing field. I didn’t understand what more I needed as a free sovereign American citizen.
Urban Infidel wrote:
Money, guns, and lawyers? /
yenta-fada wrote:
Humbleness is so 19th century… where ya been?
Luap Nor: Election shows U.S. ‘far gone’
So why didn’t you work with us these last 10 years?
@ eaglesoars:
I think this is a positive development.
@ eaglesoars:
Amen!
@ heysoos:
some folks have to suffer before they recognize and take ownership of the results of their choices.
yenta-fada wrote:
Well, the gay-rights movement hermit-crabbed, or rather has tried to hermit-crab, into the human-rights “gimme” phase of the Civil Rights Movement. “Black and proud” came in as the actual civil rights phase of that movement was morphing into straight-out human-rights “gimme”—affirmative action, set-asides, etc., instead of the mere civil rights goal of having the government protect one’s right to vote or have equal access to public accommodations.
For both the black movement and the gay-rights movement, “pride” was a way of countering the slurs and pejoratives which had often been directed at members of both groups. On the other hand, having a “pride parade” where the participants engage in the most stereotypical behavior described by such slurs, as the gay lobby does, is pretty much akin to having a “black pride march” where everyone is wearing loud clothes, droopy pants, and flashy shoes, dancing the cakewalk and eating watermelon.
What these “pride” declarations ultimately do is declare that those expressing their “pride” can engage in the worst stereotypical behavior associated with their group as an expression of their “pride” in the group—but outsiders are not allowed to say so. It is similar to those T-shirts popular some years ago which said, “It’s a black thing—you wouldn’t understand,” which are intended to exclude and which are intended to say, not, “I am your equal,” but “I am your superior, possessed of secret knowledge by virtue of my status which you will never, by virtue of your status, acquire.”
I’ll never again look at a crowd of Americans in quite the same way. When I look at a stadium, arena or a crowd on the street, I’ll know that half of them are either idiots, communists or both.
Here we go!
waldensianspirit wrote:
No. Where’s he posting?
heysoos wrote:
Right you are the people have given up on critical thinking. They don’t question what they are being fed..in essance they have become sheep.
@ eaglesoars:
Off to the Weimar Republic / Peronist Argentina we go !
waldensianspirit wrote:
i thought he gave up?
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Haven’t seen him post at weaselzippers in a while so not sure
@ buzzsawmonkey:
That must be why the Simon Weisenthal Center just sent me an email to donate to EMPOWERING Jewish students:
” Empower the next generation of Jewish activists. Under the banner of free speech, Jewish students at universities across North America are being insulted, stalked, and even physically attacked in hostile environments that campuses breed against anyone who identifies positively with the state of Israel. At several schools, professors go unpunished as they use their universities’ websites to link to efforts to boycott Israel, in violation of universities’ own policies. In response, the Center convened a conference, pictured, on “Emergent Legal Strategies, Title VI, and Campus Anti-Semitism”, bringing together students, faculty, litigators and federal officials to begin an important conversation on the future of legal strategies to fight the growing, unchecked problem of anti-Semitism on campus.”
eaglesoars wrote:
You are so correct in this assesment. Families are bad..children are a burden and men are stupid… and women just need to find themselves instead of taking responsibility for their children.
@ coldwarrior:
Urban Infidel wrote:
LOL!
Lily wrote:
That story came from a satire website. It’s completely made up.
eaglesoars wrote:
The Christian Adams one was good. The other one basically said we have to go full bore communist to win the hispanics. I have a hard time believing that.
waldensianspirit wrote:
No did he post it somewhere?
yenta-fada wrote:
Their pride should be in being an American…and that is the problem.
Diversty trumps everything now days.
Folks, I don’t plan on staying in Meecheegan for the long haul. Gotta take care of the legal stuff first.
Winner Jesse Jackson Jr. in plea deal talks with feds, sources say
Because you know. It’s his Moment!
something tells me this is not going to over well even with libs
Newsweek cover: Obama as Napoleanupper banner: You’re old! You’re white! You’re history!
Lily wrote:
The world has turned upside down. Good is bad. Bad is good. A known terrorist, released from Gitmo by the regime, is thought to be the mastermind behind the Benghazi attack and is appearing on jihad TV. Meanwhile, the regime scapegoats some schlub for making a stupid movie and puts him in jail for a year. This after lying to the American people for 2 months. And then the liar-in-chief is elected to another 4 years. Madness.
Mars wrote:
I’m going to have to re-read that then. Not what I got out of it.
eaglesoars wrote:
From the cover bottom left:
What the president owes women.
I’d like to know, as a woman, what’s coming to ME.
@ huckfunn:
It’s insane.
Lily wrote:
“Diversity” is the same old stereotypes, used under the theory that “it’s not bigoted when we do it.” Blacks, gays, women, etc., are considered to be interchangeable fungible units; you have to have “proportional representation” in schools, in jobs, in pictures, in the jails, etc., etc.—based only on the membership in a wholly superficial external which assumes all blacks, or gays, or women must think alike.
“Diversity” is utterly antithetical to freedom of thought or opinion; it is the ultimate windowdressing for the purpose of hiding a mandated lockstep in thought.
eaglesoars wrote:
Liberals think of themselves as honorary members of the minority of their choice; Alan Alda thinks he’s a woman, Bill Maher thinks he’s black or gay or something; Michael Moore thinks he’s that giant mushroom in the forests of Michigan.
I don’t agree that Obama is supposed to be Napoleon in that picture, though; if he were, he’d have the hand on his chest. I think that coat is supposed to bring to mind George Washington, which I find far more offensive than comparing our current tinpot dictator to another tinpot dictator.
That’s the money quote.
Some parents are stupid. There were a pair of twins born that were named Mitt Romney and Barack Obama. It happened in Kenya, ya.
I just noticed Barack is one (r) from being barrack.
And this.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I caught that too. But I thought, Washington had slaves. Would Newsweek be that stupid?
Wait. Nevermind.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Didn’t Newsweek go kerplotz a few weeks back? What gives?
eaglesoars wrote:
You can’t make this stuff up.
Urban Infidel wrote:
Their last paper issue comes out at the end of December.
eaglesoars wrote:
I don’t even know where to begin with that.
Start a magazine that counters Ebony with one called Ivory for starters?
Mars wrote:
and that came from studying ONLY california-mexicans.
what about the cubans> dominicans, etc who dont live in CA.
the title of her article should have been ‘why the gop lost with the mexicans in california’
also, romney lost with the white vote in cali as well, so….what do we do about that
eaglesoars wrote:
Remember that Obama was supposed to be “post-racial.” To Newsweek, dressing him up as Washington could be their way of reviving this—especially with Frum’s “you’re old, you’re white, you’re history” headline above. In other words, history has begun anew; no more old dead white men like Washington, because his place has been taken by post-racial Obama; it’s America’s new phase.
Remember that while “post-racial” was intended to mean “we’re past all that race stuff, finally” to the sucker vote, to the people using it, like Obama, it was supposed to be the domestic version of “post-colonial”; the plantation workers are running the plantation! Whitey’s down and blacks are on top!
Good
Las Vegas Business Owner Fires 22 Employees After Obama Wins
@ Urban Infidel:
You’re a conservative woman, so nothing. Only “real” women get free stuff.
Don’t feel bad. There are federal laws that say I’m entitled to stuff, as a combat veteran. Doesn’t make any difference, though. I still get nothing.
Newsweek abandoned their printed issue so maybe this is an attempt to go where they’ve always wanted to go and print (ha print) stuff that will pick up some readers that have no idea they are now only online.
Lily wrote:
Meanwhile, I’ll Have Another Drink Matthews expresses gratefulness for the timing of a storm that kills 110 people and the silence from their quarters is deafening.
They know what they voted FOR. And Rush NAILED it.
@ Carolina Girl:
What did Rush say about Santa Claus?
BTW, I don’t know if anyone actually bothered to read my comments #220 and 247 upthread about the gay lobby, since they’re lengthy. But I’d like to underscore that, while I understand why people consider “social issues” radioactive, the gay lobby is the greatest foe of the First Amendment operating in America today, both as to freedom of speech and freedom of religion. It is important for people to understand this and to be able (and willing) to talk about it, and to be able to defend their position.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I always read your posts on that. They’re eye openers.
Urban Infidel wrote:
Don’t forget the Kennedy’s and FDR.
buzzsawmonkey wrote:
I always did and always will read your posts…don’t always agree but that’s beside the point…I think understanding is more important than agreement
@ Rodan:
You mean (1) have someone grow an ersatz Hitler mustache and lie like a rug to smear folks on television and (2) have someone write on their hands and take photos that make them look like a child molester?
@ buzzsawmonkey:
No one is really interested in that. How and why they’ve come to categorize their growing nomenclature is something the Left(those who strive and then further adhere to acceptance gain) want us to talk about.
FRESH NEW THREAD!!!
Basically, Rush said that it is just about impossible to vote against Santa Claus. And the Rs are the party of “clean your room,” “Clean your plate,” responsibility, while the Ds are the party of “free stuff,” playing the role of Santa Claus.
Carolina Girl wrote:
No, just emulate what they did with micro-targeting.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
Buzz; I always read your dissertations and I find them enlightening, particularly regarding gay issues or jewish issues. I’ve not had much exposure to either, so your perspectives are appreciated.
@ Rodan:
Yes but Obama also had a media that willingly perpetuated every lie he told. The media was never interested in a Romney response to the charges. That “Romney killed my wife” ad was only investigated by the conservative media. The “47%” remark was widely broadcast out of context, and when the missing minutes were reinstated, only Fox ran with the story.
The media happily perpetuated the Ryan wants to shove old people over the cliff myth over and over again. What will their explanation be, I wonder, two years into Obama’s second reign when the complaints start coming in about the cost of devices, and the inability of senior citizens to find doctors or obtain treatment? Will the media be right there to report that Ryan was right all along? I think not.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
Actually no. They don’t want us to know how they developed their ideas and nomenclature. It reveals more about their “cause” than they want you to know. You are supposed to accept it on face value and not know about the massive manipulation of science, politics, language, and culture that were committed to get them were they are today.
song_and_dance_man wrote:
My objective is to explain the backstory; most of the people I know who prattle about “marriage equality” say, “Well, why shouldn’t they have equal rights?” They do not understand that it is not a matter of “equal rights,” but a matter of fundamentally defining one of the building blocks of society and the entire nature of human relationships, by a movement which was founded with the objective of destroying what it is now demanding—and that even most of the people in that ill-defined, indeed, pseudoscientifically-created interest group have no clue about any of this; they just want the free stuff.
If people do not know this, it is easy to be buffaloed by the “equality” language.
Uh Oh!
Chuck Hagel on defense department short list.
If true this is not good news for Israel.
@ Rodan:
Joke Rodan. Joke.
@ Carolina Girl:
I get that, but I am tired of excuses. It’s time for the Right to imitate what works for the Left. The GOP has lost 4 out of the last 6 Presidential elections, plus lost the popular vote 5 out of six. What we are doing is not working.
Not that anyone Obama picks will be pro Israel.
Carolina Girl wrote:
We do not need to go that far.
@ Mars:
There is no science behind it. And buzz had it right when he stated out right that we should not talk about the so-called ‘gay gene’.
The goal is to establish the gay fringe as a social group that should be accepted just as any other ethnicity.
Ok, I’mm off. Some work to do. Nite all.
@ Speranza:
Bibi should arrange a trip to Moscow.
@ buzzsawmonkey:
I see your point. Equality and liberty under the legality of the Constitution was considered to be, by many, a far off harbor(in those days) for bad things to come if the collective of people lost sight of their morality.
coldwarrior wrote:
Sell California to the Chicoms ASAP…
song_and_dance_man wrote:
Fits in with the piece I’m putting together.
Lily wrote:
He posts at AoS HQ and he is as pissed as anyone else in the conservative blogosphere.
@ 88 Urban Infidel: someone should pdf and save that to show them back
@ 307 Rodan: u know that is what i would do also if Obama waffles. Plenty of russian connections.
Rodan wrote:
He has been there already.