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Elections Have Consequences

by coldwarrior ( 122 Comments › )
Filed under Economy, Open thread at November 9th, 2012 - 11:00 am

Fitch & Co are already letting everyone know that all hell is going to break loose Jan 1, 2013.

 

The U.S. risks entering a recession that will hurt economic growth worldwide should policy makers fail to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff of automatic tax increases and spending cuts next year, Fitch Ratings said.

“We think that will tip the U.S. back into recession,” Fitch Managing Director Ed Parker said in an interview in Istanbul yesterday. “This should be a wholly avoidable, unnecessary recession.”

Fitch on Nov. 7 warned that the U.S. may be downgraded next year unless lawmakers avoid automatic tax boosts and budget cuts and raise the debt ceiling, while Moody’s Investors Service said it will wait to see the economic impact should the nation experience a fiscal shock. Standard & Poor’s stripped the U.S. of its AAA credit rating on Aug. 5, 2011, after months of political wrangling over the debt ceiling.

The fiscal cliff comprises $600 billion of tax increases and spending cuts scheduled to take effect automatically next year unless Congress acts. Failure to reach a solution would be “a very bad indication of the quality of U.S. policy making, and the political process there,” Fitch’s Parker said.

“If the U.S. goes into recession, given it has such a big weight in the global economy, then that will knock quite a lot of global growth,” he said. “That will affect the growth of pretty much every country in the world.”

“I am not saying it will trigger downgrades of other countries but it will reduce global growth and obviously weaker global growth will make other things equally bad for countries’ public finances,” Parker said.

 

Honestly, we have been in recession since 2001 under Bush. But don’t let the real numbers get you down, this one WILL be worse because we are out of room to borrow.

 

This time, it’s for real. At some point the borrow and spend largess machine breaks down and those made dependent on that machine will suffer badly at in the reality they created, the producers will be hurt, but we will survive, we always do. As nasty as this sounds, I am getting to be of the school that says, GOOD! Let’s have a real economic meltdown. Theoretical discussions and charts failed to convince enough voters that Obama and his anti-white guy revenge and  anti-business policies will wreck the economy. So, it is time for an object lesson. When lecture fails, its time to take it out to the lab so the slower learners can see what happens in this experiment.

 

It just might be time to go Galt on the ‘gimme gimmes’ because after all, one should be careful of what one asks for or one will surely get it. Perhaps reak out the Sabots and Give The People What They Want!

 

“The more they get, the more they need and they get harder and harder to please” – The Kinks 1981

 

 

 

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  1. Storagemanager
    1 | November 9, 2012 8:34 am

    Store food and ammo…hell is coming..


  2. Guggi
    2 | November 9, 2012 8:53 am

    As nasty as this sounds, I am getting to be of the school that says, GOOD! Let’s have a real economic meltdown. Theoretical discussions and charts failed to convince enough voters that Obama and his anti-white guy revenge and anti-business policies will wreck the economy. So, it is time for an object lesson.

    OK, but you know how many people, who supported Romney -- even on this blog -- will be negatively affected by this ? They will lose their job or they won’t find a job in the near future. You play with the lifes of innocent people.


  3. Speranza
    3 | November 9, 2012 8:55 am

    Excuse me but why has this thread appeared 27 minutes after mine?????


  4. 4 | November 9, 2012 8:56 am

    Yeah, a hard rain’s gonna fall and Obama may finish his second term as one of the most reviled presidents in American history. Alas, schadenfreude is only enjoyable when it’s the other guy suffering.


  5. eaglesoars
    5 | November 9, 2012 8:57 am

    Why did Obama win 8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in the country? These people aren’t going to suffer -- and they should.


  6. Storagemanager
    6 | November 9, 2012 8:58 am

    America may will end on Obamas watch…


  7. Storagemanager
    7 | November 9, 2012 8:59 am

    I can’t seem to type today….


  8. Storagemanager
    8 | November 9, 2012 9:00 am

    Report: Mexican Cartel Bought Guns From U.S. Border Patrol http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/11/cartel/


  9. 9 | November 9, 2012 11:17 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Why did Obama win 8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in the country? These people aren’t going to suffer — and they should.

    I agree raise their taxes.


  10. lobo91
    10 | November 9, 2012 11:20 am

    Rodan wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Why did Obama win 8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in the country? These people aren’t going to suffer — and they should.

    I agree raise their taxes.

    Everyone’s taxes are going up on January 1st.

    Well, mine won’t, since I have no income. But everyone else’s will.


  11. eaglesoars
    11 | November 9, 2012 11:21 am

    Rodan wrote:

    I agree raise their taxes.

    Since I posted that, it seems that O may have taken those counties but NOT because of the wealthy -- because of their gardeners (etc.). Which brings up another point I’ve been wanting to re-iterate. You know that percentage of households who pay no federal income tax?

    Cough it up, moochers. Pay YOUR fair share.


  12. 12 | November 9, 2012 11:22 am

    Reposted from previous thread because…just because.

    As an aside to this conversation, people like Greg Gutfeld and Steven Crowder should be the face of the new conservatism -- they’re what Rush Limbaugh was in the 90s.

    By the way, Gutfeld has a book coming out next week; “The Joy of Hate”. Mark my words, by this time next year, Greg Gutfeld will be a household name.


  13. 13 | November 9, 2012 11:31 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    You know that percentage of households who pay no federal income tax?

    I understand it’s 48%. Everyone should pay something and people who have paid nothing shouldn’t get refunds in the form of EETC. It’s bullshit on stilts (excuse my language)


  14. My 2 Cents
    14 | November 9, 2012 11:32 am

    Perhaps the saddest thing of all is that despite not only: (1) the present/past failures of Obama and his socialist friends, and (2) their upcoming failures and the subsequent collapse of our economy, the people will STILL not learn. America is like a drug addict or alcoholic now, focused on nothing more but the next high. We will have to hit rock bottom (and we still have a long way to go to get there) before we can seek a recovery. And since America is (and has been) mankind’s last and greatest hope, humanity itself may be entering a dark age. With luck, it will be short-lived (perhaps less than 40 years?). After that, future generations may yet rediscover the value of the “old ways” of freedom, liberty, free-markets, individual rights, individual (not “social”) justice, the rule-of-law (and not of men), equality of opportunity (not of results), balanced budgets, minimalist government, and more. So long as we live, we must not give up hope. I am NOT optimistic about the short term. My grandchildren, however, may yet live long enough to witness an America reborn, restored to its former glory as that shining beacon of freedom and liberty that it once was.


  15. 15 | November 9, 2012 11:39 am

    @ lobo91:

    I was just being facetious. I think we should propose a celebrity tax!


  16. 16 | November 9, 2012 11:40 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    If the Bush Tax cuts expire, these people will have to pay income tax. Bush took them off the rolls.


  17. lobo91
    17 | November 9, 2012 11:42 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    I was just being facetious. I think we should propose a celebrity tax!

    I really think Obama would like to implement race-based tax rates if he could.


  18. 18 | November 9, 2012 11:44 am

    @ lobo91:

    Don’t give them any ideas!


  19. lobo91
    19 | November 9, 2012 11:45 am

    None of it will affect me, since I have no income, and am not likely to have any.

    What little chance I had of getting a job was flushed down the toilet Tuesday night.


  20. eaglesoars
    20 | November 9, 2012 11:46 am

    Ok, this is good.

    From Micahel Walsh, at NRO quoting Jennifer Ruben

    So Jennifer Rubin makes a good point, among many, in her Washington Post blog today:

    No more 2004 Bush campaign veterans: What they know (polling, ad making) is wrong and what they don’t know (cable ad buying, new media) is too vast. A new crop of savvy, young campaign operatives who are culturally sophisticated and new media knowledgeable has to be groomed and culled so it can run a 21st century presidential campaign.
    [ ]

    Walsh:

    The big GOP money should henceforth divert at least a tiny fraction of the dough it poured into Karl Rove’s useless American Crossroads super PAC and its ilk and establish its own, alternative media (not Fox News) that functions both as a sword and shield against the decaying, corrupt journalistic establishment. After all, the Republicans lost with the super PACS, and they can just as easily lose without them, and at a fraction of the cost. But they can’t win without a media operation that can neutralize the 15 to 20 points that MSM advocacy regularly contributes to the Democrats. The only way to beat the media is to replace the media — and if you don’t think the media won this election for Obama, you’re delusional.

    h/t Instapundit.

    Two more points from me: MULTI-LINGUAL. Hint: start with spanish.

    Somebody called into Chris Plante’s show yesterday He had headed up a Hispanic outreach/development program for the RNC under Michael Steele. This was a long-term effort, not election-cycle-by-election cycle. Priebus killed it. Now it’s election-cycle by election-cycle.

    Stupid.


  21. Alberta Oil Peon
    21 | November 9, 2012 11:49 am

    Current news now is that major companies, and small business alike are now in the process of laying off thousands of workers. Boeing Defense being one of them, so I am worried for Kirly.

    Nobody is playing games, Guggi. This shit is real.


  22. 22 | November 9, 2012 11:49 am

    @ Rodan:

    Everybody’s taxes go up January 1. All these people who’ve been screaming “Stick it to the man!” are going to wake up and realize that to Obama they are the man.


  23. eaglesoars
    23 | November 9, 2012 11:49 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    I was just being facetious. I think we should propose a celebrity tax!

    Somewhere yesterday I saw someone propose a wealth tax -- you get taxed on what you own. Boats, houses, furs, etc.

    Years ago, they tried that in Virginia. All of a sudden no one owned any family silver.

    I don’t think Bush 41′s ‘luxury’ tax worked out very well for some industries either -- boats, etc.


  24. 24 | November 9, 2012 11:49 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Somebody called into Chris Plante’s show yesterday He had headed up a Hispanic outreach/development program for the RNC under Michael Steele. This was a long-term effort, not election-cycle-by-election cycle. Priebus killed it. Now it’s election-cycle by election-cycle.

    I have been saying this for the last couple of years. We need to build infrastructure like the Democrats. We really need to hire a Madison Avenue PR firm.


  25. 25 | November 9, 2012 11:50 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Everybody’s taxes go up January 1. All these people who’ve been screaming “Stick it to the man!” are going to wake up and realize that to Obama they are the man.

    Poetic Justice!

    :evil:


  26. 26 | November 9, 2012 11:51 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    The big GOP donors should buy media outlets.


  27. Alberta Oil Peon
    27 | November 9, 2012 11:52 am

    @ Rodan:
    How about a 50% excise tax on movie tickets, DVDs, music CDs, and concert tickets? Nobody needs entertainment, and there is a shitload of good stuff already out there in the public domain.

    Instead of paying $100 for a ticket to a Bruce Springsteen (haaaak, ptui) concert, find a bar with a live band playing. Support the little guys.


  28. eaglesoars
    28 | November 9, 2012 11:55 am

    Rodan wrote:

    We really need to hire a Madison Avenue PR firm.

    Nope. You know what we need? Have you ever heard of the Mass Observation Social Research Organization? An org in the UK

    The Mass Observation Archive specialises in material about everyday life in Britain. It contains papers generated by the original Mass Observation social research organisation (1937 to early 1950s), and newer material collected continuously since 1981.

    It was started by just 2 guys. Some people they recruited -- ordinary people -- to write to them about their lives. Other people they hired to just walk around, and LISTEN, then report back.

    Stuff from the war years is fascinating.

    Polls don’t do it. We need facts on the ground.


  29. 29 | November 9, 2012 11:55 am

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    How about a 50% excise tax on movie tickets, DVDs, music CDs, and concert tickets? Nobody needs entertainment, and there is a shitload of good stuff already out there in the public domain.

    Don’t forget downloaded music…..


  30. eaglesoars
    30 | November 9, 2012 11:56 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    The big GOP donors should buy media outlets.

    And DEVELOP conservative multi-lingual outlets


  31. 31 | November 9, 2012 11:58 am

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:

    I agree with that!


  32. 32 | November 9, 2012 11:58 am

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:

    Yeah, make Jay Z and Beyonce pay their fair share. Stick it to the man!


  33. 33 | November 9, 2012 11:58 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yup, Infrastructure!


  34. eaglesoars
    34 | November 9, 2012 11:59 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    How about a 50% excise tax on movie tickets, DVDs, music CDs, and concert tickets? Nobody needs entertainment, and there is a shitload of good stuff already out there in the public domain.

    Don’t forget downloaded music…..

    Glenn Reynolds has been agitating for a Hollywood tax, but I’m not sure what that involves.


  35. 35 | November 9, 2012 12:02 pm

    Alberta Oil Peon wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    How about a 50% excise tax on movie tickets, DVDs, music CDs, and concert tickets? Nobody needs entertainment, and there is a shitload of good stuff already out there in the public domain.

    Instead of paying $100 for a ticket to a Bruce Springsteen (haaaak, ptui) concert, find a bar with a live band playing. Support the little guys.

    Brilliant, absolutely brilliant!


  36. 36 | November 9, 2012 12:03 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ MacDuff:

    @ Alberta Oil Peon:
    Yeah, make Jay Z and Beyonce pay their fair share. Stick it to the man!

    I think the GOP should get behind this tax. I am not kidding.


  37. 37 | November 9, 2012 12:05 pm

    Me and the Old Lady have made a serious committment to cut back as much as we can. Pay bills, pay off debt, and buy very little that isn’t absolutely necessary. I wonder how many other Americans are going to do the same? That’ll really “jump start” the economy, won’t it? We;’ve got to get ready to weather the storm that’s coming. Economic collapse is all but inevitable now. I certainly can’t see anything that is going to stop it from happening. The “Free Shit” Army is going to spend America into bankruptcy, and Barry Obama will be the one driving the car.


  38. bluliner10
    38 | November 9, 2012 12:07 pm

    I have no problem rejecting hollywood. A 50% excise tax on them would continue to result in a 100% income reduction from me.


  39. 39 | November 9, 2012 12:08 pm

    @ Rodan:

    I agree. The Left keep talking about making the “Rich” pay their “Fair Share”, but what they really mean is go after the Middle Class and small business. I say we go after trust funds like the Kennedy’s. Make the so-called power elite caugh it up. If we’re going to have a Revolution, I say we get the bastards while we are at it.


  40. 40 | November 9, 2012 12:09 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I agree. The Left keep talking about making the “Rich” pay their “Fair Share”, but what they really mean is go after the Middle Class and small business. I say we go after trust funds like the Kennedy’s. Make the so-called power elite caugh it up. If we’re going to have a Revolution, I say we get the bastards while we are at it.

    Exactly, let’s have our version of class warfare!


  41. lobo91
    41 | November 9, 2012 12:11 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Me and the Old Lady have made a serious committment to cut back as much as we can. Pay bills, pay off debt, and buy very little that isn’t absolutely necessary. I wonder how many other Americans are going to do the same?

    That’s been my plan for the last couple of years.

    I’m on the verge of shifting over to “screw it” mode, though. Given the election results, it’s pretty much inevitable that I’m going to end up in bankruptcy in a few months. I’ll end up losing everything I have left.

    The country I spent my entire adult life serving just collectively gave me the finger. As far as I’m concerned, that works both ways.


  42. 42 | November 9, 2012 12:12 pm

    While we’re taxing the “unnecessaries” to enhance revenue, lets not forget MLB/NFL/NBA/NHL tickets, broadcasts and licensed merchandise. These bastards like to share misery, cool, let’s share some misery with everyone.

    How about those expensive athletic shoes? Nobody needs $200+ Nikes, do they?

    There’s a lot of sacred cows out there and I have a hankering for beef!


  43. eaglesoars
    43 | November 9, 2012 12:14 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    buy very little that isn’t absolutely necessary

    We’v cut back on the charities. I won’t be supporting Child Fund anymore -- as Christian Children’s Fund they were excellent, they now suck. But the local first responders, Wounded Warriors and one no-kill shelter, we’ll keep as long as we can. That’s it.

    And we’ve cut off some subscriptions in the past year -- starting w/NYT. Food -- got the chest freezer and vacuum sealer -- life savers.


  44. 44 | November 9, 2012 12:14 pm

    @ Rodan:

    It’s not so much about class warfare as it is making the other side live by the rules they’ve created. Rich people are the enemy? OK, let’s start with John Kerry and Hillary Clinton. Oh, and that rich guy that lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. It isn’t like Obama hasn’t been living the Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous on the taxpayer’s dime all his life. He wants to soak the rich? I say he goes first.

    We know what the class warfare is all about, really, though. They want to destroy the Middle Class and Middle Class values. Hell, Obama’s Church of Satan said as much in their statement of principles. Politics is War. It is time the Republican Party got in the fight.


  45. bluliner10
    45 | November 9, 2012 12:17 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    We need to demonize the liberal elite as well. Hence, my little war on Letterman. The President likes to hang out with a rapist…good to go!


  46. eaglesoars
    46 | November 9, 2012 12:18 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    John Kerry and Hillary Clinton.

    Don’t forget Valerie Jarrett………


  47. eaglesoars
    47 | November 9, 2012 12:20 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    We need to demonize the liberal elite as well.

    Oh, you want my guns? You first Sparky. Rosie O’Donnell’s bodyguard -- diarmed. P-Diddy? You just got diddled. Didn’t Jay-Z shoot his brother?


  48. 48 | November 9, 2012 12:21 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I can’t say I blame you. Any chances of the economy improving went out the door when Romney lost. We have at least six more years of pain, but I think it is worse than that. After four more years of Obama, the United States will be over $21 trillion in debt. And the economy will have shrunk from where it is today. There is no way Rubio, Martinez, or whomever can come in in 2016 and fix that. We’ll be in worse shape fiscally than Weimar Germany was. I’m tempted to say let the Democrats have it all, and own the crash when it comes. Whatever emerges from the rubble will hopefully know better than to toy with Socialism ever again.


  49. 49 | November 9, 2012 12:23 pm

    Too bad we can’t tax friggin stupid, we’d be in high clover.


  50. 50 | November 9, 2012 12:25 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Politics is War. It is time the Republican Party got in the fight.

    Preaching to choir my friend. We need to adopt total war against the Dems.


  51. 51 | November 9, 2012 12:26 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    I can’t say I blame you. Any chances of the economy improving went out the door when Romney lost. We have at least six more years of pain, but I think it is worse than that. After four more years of Obama, the United States will be over $21 trillion in debt. And the economy will have shrunk from where it is today. There is no way Rubio, Martinez, or whomever can come in in 2016 and fix that. We’ll be in worse shape fiscally than Weimar Germany was. I’m tempted to say let the Democrats have it all, and own the crash when it comes. Whatever emerges from the rubble will hopefully know better than to toy with Socialism ever again.

    I’m no financial wiz kid, but I’m rather expecting them to try and inflate us out of debt.


  52. 52 | November 9, 2012 12:31 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    That’s what they did in Weimar Germany. I don’t expect it’ll work any better for us than it did for them. If they hyperinflate us, that’ll crash the economy. It’ll wipe out almost everyone but the Super-rich, who have their assets overseas and not in American dollars. It’ll be like the housing market crash time ten thousand.


  53. 54 | November 9, 2012 12:39 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    That’s what they did in Weimar Germany. I don’t expect it’ll work any better for us than it did for them. If they hyperinflate us, that’ll crash the economy. It’ll wipe out almost everyone but the Super-rich, who have their assets overseas and not in American dollars. It’ll be like the housing market crash time ten thousand.

    Oh, I didn’t insinuate it would actually work. They’ve already demonstrated abject incompetence in their parade of bad ideas -- this just seems like the logical choice for the next bad idea.


  54. Tanker
    55 | November 9, 2012 12:40 pm

    @ MacDuff:
    Actually we can tax stupid. Put a luxury tax and anything not needed to live. All entertainment falls into this category! All shoes above a realistic cost and so forth. They want taxes, then give it to them. I no longer buy anything not really needed. Stocking up on all needed items with good shelf life, ammo is a needed item. Not a prepper per say, but getting ready for hard times is just plan smart. No debt is my next mission, I don’t have much anyway (thank sweetheart)!


  55. 56 | November 9, 2012 12:46 pm

    @ Tanker:

    Yes , getting rid of my debt is the next big thing on my plate. I’ve got a lot of it, thanks to the Housing Bust. I figure it is going to take me about three years to get everything but the House and one car paid off (I have to replace my car; I made the mistake of buying a Chrysler last time around). I may even sell my motorcycle. That’ll suck, but I’m talking about getting lean. Everything that isn’t essential is on the block potentially.


  56. Tanker
    57 | November 9, 2012 12:55 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    Yes , getting rid of my debt is the next big thing on my plate. I’ve got a lot of it, thanks to the Housing Bust. I figure it is going to take me about three years to get everything but the House and one car paid off (I have to replace my car; I made the mistake of buying a Chrysler last time around). I may even sell my motorcycle. That’ll suck, but I’m talking about getting lean. Everything that isn’t essential is on the block potentially.

    Not the bike dude, low cost transportation may be a must very soon. My bike will be the last to go! A luxury now, but essential very soon!


  57. 58 | November 9, 2012 12:59 pm

    America, the Next Greece:

    From Spiegel:

    The US has more in common with heavily indebted southern European countries than it might like to admit. And if the country doesn’t reach agreement on deficit reduction measures soon, the similarities could become impossible to ignore. The fiscal cliff looms in the near future, and its not just the US that is under threat.

    The US has finally voted and the dark visions of America’s future broadcast on television screens across the country — and most intensively in battleground states — have come to an end. Supporters of both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney had developed doomsday scenarios for what would happen if their candidate’s opponent were to win. Four more years of Obama, the ads warned, would result in pure socialism. A Romney presidency would see the middle and lower classes brutally exploited.

    But following Obama’s re-election, Americans are now facing a different, much more real horror scenario: In just a few weeks time, thousands of children could be denied vaccinations, federally funded school programs could screech to a halt, adults may be forced to forego HIV tests and subsidized housing vouchers would dry up. Even the work of air-traffic controllers, the FBI, border officials and the military could be drastically curtailed.

    That and more is looming just over the horizon according to the White House if the country is allowed to plunge off the “fiscal cliff” at the beginning of next year. Coined by Federal Reserve head Ben Bernanke, it refers to the vast array of cuts and tax increases which will automatically go into effect if Republicans and Democrats can’t agree on measures to slash the US budget deficit.

    ***

    Plunging Growth

    As good as an instantaneous halving of the budget deficit might sound, the landing after a plunge off the fiscal cliff would be a hard one. Were taxes to be ratcheted up at the same time as state programs were slashed, it would have an enormous effect on the economy. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 2013 growth would immediately drop by four percentage points, making a recession unavoidable. The number of unemployed would be two million higher than without the cuts.

    It is an eventuality that doesn’t just put fear into the hearts of Americans. In its annual report on the US, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) referred to the fiscal cliff as the largest risk currently facing America.

    Anybody think that the Democrats are serious about tackling the fiscal cliff? They were the ones that insisted on creating it in the first place. Sequestration is their wildest wet dream. Thy get to slash the military without having to actually vote to do so. We are hosed. There’s no way that the Democrats will allow any meaningful cuts to entitlements, and that is what the people voted for when they voted for Obama. More government cheese! By 2016, our debt will easily be 150% of our GDP. Greece is currently at about 175% GDP, but Greece has a much smaller GDP, so their debt is tiny compared to ours. We can’t possibly pay back $21 trillion, so we’ll probably try to print it. Someone migh twant to ask Jefferson Davis about the validity of printing money to pay your nation’s debts. Or Weimar Germany. Or, for that matter, latter day Zimbabwe. Obama wants to turn America into a Third World nation, and the Democrats are happy to oblidge him. I don’t think the majority of the people who voted for Government Cheese really have a concept of what is really coming. They wouldn’t have voted to get rid of their cable TV, but after the crash they’ll be spending more attention on getting enough food to eat. Look at it this way: obesity won’t be a problem in th eUnited States any more. Starvation, maybe, but not Obesity.


  58. 59 | November 9, 2012 1:02 pm

    @ Tanker:

    We’ll see. I’ll be keeping her until spring, but I may have to let her go to replace my car. I have to have a reliable car, and my current POS just isn’t cutting it. I do agtree about the low-cost transportation, though. I can go back and forth on her to work for a lot less than my current heap. I’ll never buy a Chrysler product again. And I won’t buy Government Motors, either.


  59. lobo91
    60 | November 9, 2012 1:06 pm

    Looks like Ear Leader is getting ready to hold another of his fake speeches.

    This time, he’s going to have some so-called “middle class” people behind him as props, much like the “doctors) (complete with White House-issued white coats) that he used to sell Obamacare.


  60. bluliner10
    61 | November 9, 2012 1:10 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    Replace with a Toyota, made by Tennessee workers (non-union) and they run forever. I was a German auto fan until 4 years in Japan made me understand how good the Japanese vehicles were. Now I have a 4Runner and a Camry….4Runner is paid off with 160000 miles still outperforms any comparible American SUV.


  61. eaglesoars
    62 | November 9, 2012 1:11 pm

    Oh crap

    War Plans for Mali Leaked

    Something must be done in Mali. Open sanctuaries for aggressive jihadis cannot be tolerated. But what’s the strategy? In Libya there’s an argument to be made that even though the United States ‘led from behind’ we were nevertheless used by French oil interests among others to increase French prestige and power in the neighborhood. The French are very good at getting other people to do their dirty jobs for them. Mali is part of France’s ghost empire in Africa; there’s a case to be made for remaining well in the rear and not even leading

    I’ll be the first to admit -- I can’t find Mali on a map


  62. Tanker
    63 | November 9, 2012 1:13 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    I agree on having a reliable car. I have two Fords (paid for, thanks again to my dear wife) that should last for some time. I realize I may be in a better position than most. Getting real lean is the answer for surviving in the short term and longer in my opinion.

    Kicking the can down the road is what will happen in congress, but that road is getting shorter and shorter every day. Not going to be pretty either way! Best we can hope for is that it doesn’t get blooding and even that I’m not holding much hope for!


  63. 64 | November 9, 2012 1:13 pm

    The so-calle “Peacenicks” couldn’t be reached for comment:

    It sure looks like the US has some more leading from behind in Africa ahead of it. Reuters reports that plans are solidifying for what Theodore Roosevelt might have called a “splendid little war” in Mali:

    “International forces will not do the ground fighting, that role will belong to the Malian army,” a military officer familiar with the plan, who asked not to be named, said on Friday.

    “Air strikes will be the responsibility of the international force,” he said, adding foreign partners would also provide logistical and intelligence support and soldiers and police to secure areas captured by the Malian army.

    Military planners from Africa, the United Nations and Europe in Mali’s capital Bamako last week drew up a battle plan that would involve a foreign force of more than 4,000 personnel, mostly from West African countries. It remains unclear how much of the force would come from Western nations.

    With the French already sending drones to the region, it’s possible—likely even if all goes well—that Western involvement will remain limited to air support and intelligence gathering, while foreign (but African) troops provide security and police forces. With any luck the jihadi groups will shatter and disperse on first contact and their local allies will turn on them.

    Does anybody really think that African troops can get the job done? Oh, with a little luck, it could be Rwanda with the Jihadis as the Hutu, but that isn’t really likely. What it’ll be is a clusterfuck par excellence, like Libya only maybe we won’t get an Ambassador killed over it. It is still spreading “Democracy” by the sword to a nation that hasn’t escaped tribalism. That has worked so well in Afghanistan, hasn’t it? What is our military objective here? What is th eUS national interest? Does anybody believe Obama wants to see the Jihadis defeated? He brought them to power in Egypt and Libya. We’ll just be the stalking horse for th eMuslim Brotherhood again in Mali, and the so-called Peace lovers will be cheering him on.


  64. lobo91
    65 | November 9, 2012 1:14 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’ll be the first to admit — I can’t find Mali on a map

    Mali on a map.


  65. lobo91
    66 | November 9, 2012 1:17 pm

    Well, that was enlightening.

    Basically, Obama just said “I won” again.


  66. eaglesoars
    67 | November 9, 2012 1:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’ll be the first to admit — I can’t find Mali on a map

    Mali on a map.

    hunh. Big place.

    Well, that was enlightening.

    Basically, Obama just said “I won” again.

    You actually listened? Strong stomach.


  67. 68 | November 9, 2012 1:21 pm

    @ lobo91:

    No surprise. He’s going to take us off the fiscal cliff and try to blame the Republicans for the crash. The crash is what eh wants, though. Blaming the Republicans will just be icing on the cake for him.


  68. 69 | November 9, 2012 1:25 pm

    I recorded the movie “Network” yesterday and am watching it this morning. I am amazed that Paddy Chayefsky literally foretold the establishment of the fourth Network -- Fox -- and the rise of the all-powerful corporate media.

    I’ve always loved Mr. Chayefsky, that we lost too soon. Never more so than the nice at the Oscars when he kicked Vanessa Redgrave in the ass.

    But when it came to this line, all I could think was Chris Matthews:

    “For God’s sake….we’re talking about putting a manifestly irresponsible man on national television.”


  69. Tanker
    70 | November 9, 2012 1:30 pm

    @ Iron Fist:
    The sad part is the Republicans will fall for the ruse and then wonder what happened. We are really screwed no matter which way it goes!


  70. 71 | November 9, 2012 1:32 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Plus Obama is getting ready to get involved in Syria.


  71. lobo91
    72 | November 9, 2012 1:34 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    One thing that I thought was telling was when he basically said “I’m not going to make students, seniors, poor people, etc pay for reducing the deficit.”

    Umm…didn’t most of the deficit come from giving those people stuff we couldn’t afford in the first place?

    The dreaded “millionaires and billionaires” didn’t create the deficit.


  72. 73 | November 9, 2012 1:36 pm

    When McCain lost, I wasn’t angry: I was dissappointed. I knew that McCain was a liberal and not really that strong of a candidate. I thought Obama was a joke and unfit and unprepared and unable to be president. That proved to be true. I also made a prediction that he would not survive his first term in office. I was confident that he would resign or be impeached. I was obviously in fantasy land there. I failed to understand what the press would do for their lad.

    With the reelection of Obama and the rejection of Mitt Romney, I have a different emotional response: I am devastated and very angry. a little over 50% of my fellow Americans have rejected liberty and prosperity. They rejected freedom because they do not want personal responsibility. They voted for a man just because of the color of his skin. They voted for hand-outs at the expense of freedom, prosperity and self-direction.

    I am ready for a scorched-earth policy. This morning one of my employees that is the epitome of a black lazy male in a do-nothing professional job accused me of being a sore loser. I told him he had no idea how much of a sore loser I really am.

    I will no longer donate money to schools, beggars or places like the red cross. I will now be what the iberals have accused people like me to be. They can go to hell.


  73. lobo91
    74 | November 9, 2012 1:36 pm

    “The American people voted for action, not business as usual.”

    No…the American people voted for Santa Claus.


  74. bluliner10
    75 | November 9, 2012 1:38 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Good thing their memory is short, because he wasn’t willing to cut the deficit on the backs of the veterans either…unlike a lot of the old people, students and the poor. We remember the knife cuts well.


  75. lobo91
    76 | November 9, 2012 1:38 pm

    @ father_of_10:

    I am ready for a scorched-earth policy. This morning one of my employees that is the epitome of a black lazy male in a do-nothing professional job accused me of being a sore loser. I told him he had no idea how much of a sore loser I really am.

    I would have fired him.


  76. lobo91
    77 | November 9, 2012 1:39 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Good thing their memory is short, because he wasn’t willing to cut the deficit on the backs of the veterans either…unlike a lot of the old people, students and the poor. We remember the knife cuts well.

    No kidding. I’m enjoying my version of ObamaVAcare now.


  77. 78 | November 9, 2012 1:41 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Replace with a Toyota, made by Tennessee workers (non-union) and they run forever. I was a German auto fan until 4 years in Japan made me understand how good the Japanese vehicles were. Now I have a 4Runner and a Camry….4Runner is paid off with 160000 miles still outperforms any comparible American SUV.

    I think we at my house are very responsible with our cars. We have new Honda Accord, a Suburban and my cute little convertible. Since it is a small 2-seater it should be considered an economy car right?


  78. eaglesoars
    79 | November 9, 2012 1:41 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    I will no longer donate money to schools, beggars or places like the red cross. I will now be what the iberals have accused people like me to be. They can go to hell.

    There’s a lot of that going around.


  79. 80 | November 9, 2012 1:42 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ father_of_10:
    I am ready for a scorched-earth policy. This morning one of my employees that is the epitome of a black lazy male in a do-nothing professional job accused me of being a sore loser. I told him he had no idea how much of a sore loser I really am.
    I would have fired him.

    His time is coming. We have a progressive discipline policy and I am making sure he has no recourse when he gets the boot.


  80. waldensianspirit
    81 | November 9, 2012 1:42 pm

    The GOP House should pass 1 quadrillion dollar money printing legislation and for our life time we all could live off the government. They make history! Problem solved! Utopia!


  81. Tanker
    82 | November 9, 2012 1:44 pm

    @ bluliner10:
    I was really amazed at how many vets voted for this POS. Even some in my VFW and American Legion chapters, mostly older Nam vets!


  82. 83 | November 9, 2012 1:45 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    The GOP House should pass 1 quadrillion dollar money printing legislation and for our life time we all could live off the government. They make history! Problem solved! Utopia!

    I say the GOP in the house and the senate should vote present on every single bill the Democrats put forward. Let them know that we will not participate in their destruction of Americ and that we will not take the blame for their disaster. The Dems would totally freak.


  83. waldensianspirit
    84 | November 9, 2012 1:49 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    I say the GOP in the house and the senate should vote present on every single bill the Democrats put forward. Let them know that we will not participate in their destruction of Americ and that we will not take the blame for their disaster. The Dems would totally freak.

    Exactly! The money is going worthless anyway. Let the people see the Democrats for the monsters they are


  84. Mars
    85 | November 9, 2012 1:49 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    None of it will affect me, since I have no income, and am not likely to have any.
    What little chance I had of getting a job was flushed down the toilet Tuesday night.

    I’m right there with you. I’ve sent out thousands of resumes and have received 1 interview and 5 rejections letters. Other than that none of the other companies have even bothered to respond to me.

    I’m tempted to go back to State vocational rehab and see if they will pay for paralegal training. There’s usually 2 to 3 paralegal/legal secretary jobs posted every month.


  85. Mars
    86 | November 9, 2012 1:53 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Good thing their memory is short, because he wasn’t willing to cut the deficit on the backs of the veterans either…unlike a lot of the old people, students and the poor. We remember the knife cuts well.

    No kidding. I’m enjoying my version of ObamaVAcare now.

    Long lines, 10 hour waits, unneeded procedures, things missed in multiple appointments, computer errors, medical professionals stretched so thin they have become almost robotic, form after form after form after form.


  86. 87 | November 9, 2012 1:54 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    I have a different emotional response: I am devastated and very angry. a little over 50% of my fellow Americans have rejected liberty and prosperity. They rejected freedom because they do not want personal responsibility. They voted for a man just because of the color of his skin. They voted for hand-outs at the expense of freedom, prosperity and self-direction.

    That is exactly it. These people voted for more free shit at a time when we are already in debt to the tune of 100% GDP. By the end of Obama’s second term, that’ll be 150% GDP, minimum, because the GDP will have gone down during that term. The second dip of the recession is coming, and no amount of feel-good TV will make that go away. For what is it, 21 million Americans the recession never went away. But I’ll bet you that a lot of those unemployed Americvan went and voted for Barry O. I’d be interested in knowing a percentage, but I don’t guess that we’ll ever know. Too many people who should have known better voted for Obama.


  87. Mars
    88 | November 9, 2012 1:57 pm

    And a little something for all the “peace” nuts out there. Your messiah WILL get us into a war. It will be at the orders of the UN and it will be nasty business. Not only that, but we will most probably be on the wrong side. Don’t forget Klinton actually did what GW Bush was accused of. He got us involved in a war without the approval of congress and got us on the wrong side.


  88. lobo91
    89 | November 9, 2012 1:58 pm

    @ Mars:

    Long lines, 10 hour waits, unneeded procedures, things missed in multiple appointments, computer errors, medical professionals stretched so thin they have become almost robotic, form after form after form after form.

    At least you actually get some kind of treatment.

    All I got was a letter saying “Don’t call us, we’ll call you.”


  89. eaglesoars
    90 | November 9, 2012 2:00 pm

    Mars wrote:

    Your messiah WILL get us into a war

    See upthread.

    Mali


  90. 91 | November 9, 2012 2:01 pm

    @ Mars:

    In 1964 LBJ painted Barry Goldwater as a war monger. What happened in 1965? History repeats!


  91. 92 | November 9, 2012 2:02 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Plus Syria to help the MB make Syria an Emirate in the New Caliphate.


  92. Mars
    93 | November 9, 2012 2:02 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Long lines, 10 hour waits, unneeded procedures, things missed in multiple appointments, computer errors, medical professionals stretched so thin they have become almost robotic, form after form after form after form.
    At least you actually get some kind of treatment.
    All I got was a letter saying “Don’t call us, we’ll call you.”

    Ouch.

    That’s kind of how my disability review went. I produced a ton of evidence and then they kept sending me out for more tests until they could find one they could use to reject my increase request.


  93. buzzsawmonkey
    94 | November 9, 2012 2:05 pm

    In the meantime, Obama hasn’t even read the Fiscal Cliff’s Notes.


  94. lobo91
    95 | November 9, 2012 2:06 pm

    @ Mars:

    Ouch.

    That’s kind of how my disability review went. I produced a ton of evidence and then they kept sending me out for more tests until they could find one they could use to reject my increase request.

    They sent me a letter that says, “Yup, you’re entitled to care. Unfortunately, we don’t have anyone available to see you. We’ll send you another letter if that changes at some point in the future.”


  95. RIX
    96 | November 9, 2012 2:07 pm

    BHO held a PR event today with “Middle Class” Americans as
    props standing behind him.
    Clearly their research shows that that kind of optic
    works for many people.
    I despair of my fellow Americans.


  96. Mars
    97 | November 9, 2012 2:07 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    Your messiah WILL get us into a war
    See upthread.
    Mali

    Noticed that. I’m thinking Mali, Syria, and one of the other African messes.


  97. 98 | November 9, 2012 2:08 pm

    @ RIX:

    We need to emulate this. I say the GOP should support a Tax increase on people who make a Million dollars. They vote Dem anyway. Also we should propose a 30% Tax on DVD, Movie tickets and Sporting events. This will hurt the Entertainment complex.


  98. Mars
    99 | November 9, 2012 2:10 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Ouch.
    That’s kind of how my disability review went. I produced a ton of evidence and then they kept sending me out for more tests until they could find one they could use to reject my increase request.
    They sent me a letter that says, “Yup, you’re entitled to care. Unfortunately, we don’t have anyone available to see you. We’ll send you another letter if that changes at some point in the future.”

    Ridiculous. Like I said stretched thin. That is horrible.

    Send a copy of that letter directly to Sen John Tester. That jackass has been supposedly “fixing” the system. Let buzzcut see just exactly how much his fixes have done.


  99. AZfederalist
    100 | November 9, 2012 2:12 pm

    father_of_10 wrote:

    With the reelection of Obama and the rejection of Mitt Romney, I have a different emotional response: I am devastated and very angry. a little over 50% of my fellow Americans have rejected liberty and prosperity. They rejected freedom because they do not want personal responsibility. They voted for a man just because of the color of his skin. They voted for hand-outs at the expense of freedom, prosperity and self-direction.

    You pretty much nail it right there. After the election, I made the comment to one of my co-workers that 50% of my fellow Americans are stupid; he made the statement, “Nope, 50% of our fellow Americans are selfish”.


  100. Speranza
    101 | November 9, 2012 2:13 pm

    Soak the rich -- they voted for Obama.


  101. lobo91
    102 | November 9, 2012 2:13 pm

    @ Mars:

    And they put me in the wrong priority category, too. They seem to have missed the fact that I’m a combat veteran.

    I sent them a letter along with my 214 to see if they can fix that, at least.


  102. Speranza
    103 | November 9, 2012 2:14 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    father_of_10 wrote:
    With the reelection of Obama and the rejection of Mitt Romney, I have a different emotional response: I am devastated and very angry. a little over 50% of my fellow Americans have rejected liberty and prosperity. They rejected freedom because they do not want personal responsibility. They voted for a man just because of the color of his skin. They voted for hand-outs at the expense of freedom, prosperity and self-direction.

    You pretty much nail it right there. After the election, I made the comment to one of my co-workers that 50% of my fellow Americans are stupid; he made the statement, “Nope, 50% of our fellow Americans are selfish”.

    Erich Fromm’s 1941 book “Escape From Freedom” is more relevant today.


  103. bluliner10
    104 | November 9, 2012 2:14 pm

    @ Tanker:
    Maybe I will jot some notes…most of the Battalion voted R, but I had a number who went D. I won’t say I am shocked, we are a melting pot and I have young Marines who are as blinded by celebrity as their civilian peers but it is disturbing to hear some of their grievance issues resulting in their choice. Maybe a few of us should work a veteran’s piece for the Blogmocracy.


  104. RIX
    105 | November 9, 2012 2:14 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ RIX:

    We need to emulate this. I say the GOP should support a Tax increase on people who make a Million dollars. They vote Dem anyway. Also we should propose a 30% Tax on DVD, Movie tickets and Sporting events. This will hurt the Entertainment complex.

    Probably right. Battles over a free market economy fall on
    deaf ears.
    The American people have gone another way.
    The Republican mantra should be jobs & personal freedom imo.


  105. bluliner10
    106 | November 9, 2012 2:16 pm

    @ AZfederalist:
    You pretty much nail it right there. After the election, I made the comment to one of my co-workers that 50% of my fellow Americans are stupid; he made the statement, “Nope, 50% of our fellow Americans are selfish”.

    Sad part is…it is the same 50%, of course you may have been saying that. Not sure if that was agreement or significant disagreement.


  106. 107 | November 9, 2012 2:16 pm

    New Thread.


  107. eaglesoars
    108 | November 9, 2012 2:17 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    They vote Dem anyway. Also we should propose a 30% Tax on DVD, Movie tickets and Sporting events.

    video & computer games


  108. AZfederalist
    109 | November 9, 2012 2:19 pm

    bluliner10 wrote:

    Not sure if that was agreement or significant disagreement.

    Between my co-worker and myself? Strong agreement. He was as PO’d about Tuesday night as myself. Another of our co-workers came in saying, “America is dead to me”. Where I work, there weren’t a lot of happy people. I’m sure there were a few as we do have some union workers and stupid people, but they are more the exception than the rule.


  109. Mars
    110 | November 9, 2012 2:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Mars:
    And they put me in the wrong priority category, too. They seem to have missed the fact that I’m a combat veteran.
    I sent them a letter along with my 214 to see if they can fix that, at least.

    I hope so. It took me almost 10 years to finally get them to acknowledge and give me one of my campaign medals.


  110. Mars
    111 | November 9, 2012 2:27 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    @ RIX:
    We need to emulate this. I say the GOP should support a Tax increase on people who make a Million dollars. They vote Dem anyway. Also we should propose a 30% Tax on DVD, Movie tickets and Sporting events. This will hurt the Entertainment complex.

    Probably right. Battles over a free market economy fall on
    deaf ears.
    The American people have gone another way.
    The Republican mantra should be jobs & personal freedom imo.

    Still working on my article.

    Got a great message back from a childhood friend of mine. He’s a leader in the GOP community in DC and just happens to be gay. He agreed completely with me about the GOP need to get a hold of more media outlets.

    He also agreed we need to go back to the “big tent” principles. We have to stop excluding people who agree with us 90% of the time based on the 10% we disagree with.


  111. 112 | November 9, 2012 2:40 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Probably right. Battles over a free market economy fall on
    deaf ears.
    The American people have gone another way.
    The Republican mantra should be jobs & personal freedom imo.

    I don’t think the majority of Americans would know a free market economy if it bit em in the ass, and they have no concept of personal freedom and simply will not have it explained to them. Tuesday proved that.

    I’m fed up. There comes a time when you just have to understand that people are going to do what they’re going to do and if it’s self destructive, well that’s just the breaks. They’re like battered wives who just keep going back -- they either have to CHOOSE to leave or accept the consequences. People have to choose to be saved, economically as well as spiritually.

    There will be a lot of innocents hurt in this process but, to paraphrase the old adage, you have to change the things you can change, accept the things you cannot change, and have the wisdom to know the difference. My fellow citizens have screwed me, themselves, and their country because they couldn’t tell the difference between reality and reality TV.

    May God forgive them, because I sure as hell won’t.


  112. AZfederalist
    113 | November 9, 2012 2:42 pm

    Mars wrote:

    He also agreed we need to go back to the “big tent” principles. We have to stop excluding people who agree with us 90% of the time based on the 10% we disagree with.

    Problem is, I don’t think the Republicans are excluding them. I think they come to the party with the idea that the rest of the party needs to adopt their 10% issue and agree with it, or, at a minimum stop pushing opposition to that 10% issue.

    i.e., “Let’s compromise, you agree with my position and we work together”.


  113. AZfederalist
    114 | November 9, 2012 2:43 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    Let me add, that this is often,
    i.e., “Let’s compromise, you agree with my position, abandon your principals, and we work together”.


  114. Mars
    115 | November 9, 2012 2:48 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    Mars wrote:
    He also agreed we need to go back to the “big tent” principles. We have to stop excluding people who agree with us 90% of the time based on the 10% we disagree with.
    Problem is, I don’t think the Republicans are excluding them. I think they come to the party with the idea that the rest of the party needs to adopt their 10% issue and agree with it, or, at a minimum stop pushing opposition to that 10% issue.
    i.e., “Let’s compromise, you agree with my position and we work together”.

    In a way I think we should hold off on blocking anyones 10% issues until we have the time and ability after we actually win an election.


  115. Tanker
    116 | November 9, 2012 2:50 pm

    @ bluliner10:
    I agree, some people have no idea what vets go through dealing with the VA. I think I could write a book on my dealings alone. The VA is the model by which a single payer system would look like and the average Civilian would be shocked!

    Doctors no longer able to practice in private go to the VA…no law suites, if they get in trouble they just move to another facility and no one is the wiser!

    I know I’m writing this in a dead thread so I will try to make sure you see this!


  116. Mars
    117 | November 9, 2012 2:54 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    @ bluliner10:
    I agree, some people have no idea what vets go through dealing with the VA. I think I could write a book on my dealings alone. The VA is the model by which a single payer system would look like and the average Civilian would be shocked!
    Doctors no longer able to practice in private go to the VA…no law suites, if they get in trouble they just move to another facility and no one is the wiser!
    I know I’m writing this in a dead thread so I will try to make sure you see this!

    That’s exactly it. People keep hearing all about the VA problems on the news, but they don’t realize that it is exactly what they will be seeing when O care is fully implemented.


  117. My 2 Cents
    118 | November 9, 2012 3:47 pm

    Gerald Ford (though some say Thomas Jefferson said it first, and he was later quoted by Ronald Reagan, if I recall correctly) noted that “a government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.” Well, in Nov. 2012, the American people voted for a government big enough to give them everything they want. Now, many of us did not vote that way, but we lost. And many of the “winners” did not realize exactly what they were voting for. But they did vote for it it. And they shall have it, for elections do indeed have consequences. Yes, this one will, quite likely, have very serious, very unwelcome, very painful consequences. May God help America, for the true darkness ahead has not even begun to be seen, I fear.


  118. Canoe Convoy
    119 | November 9, 2012 3:53 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    None of it will affect me, since I have no income, and am not likely to have any.

    What little chance I had of getting a job was flushed down the toilet Tuesday night.

    I have a seasonal job that starts on November 12. Once that work ends, I fear that I’ll also be returning to the unemployment line. I’ve had enough of Our President and his Administration’s failed economic policies. Didn’t vote for him the first time, didn’t vote for him this time, either.


  119. coldwarrior
    120 | November 9, 2012 7:48 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Excuse me but why has this thread appeared 27 minutes after mine?????

    excuse this.

    because i made a posting / time mistake, ok?

    chill out.


  120. coldwarrior
    121 | November 9, 2012 7:51 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    OK, but you know how many people, who supported Romney — even on this blog — will be negatively affected by this ? They will lose their job or they won’t find a job in the near future. You play with the lifes of innocent people.

    i dont care anymore. the medicine would have been easier to swallow before.

    now the patient is truly sick. its like chemo for someone who smoked for 40 years. ya try to make them quit, but no…now there is cancer and poison is needed to fix it.


  121. 122 | November 9, 2012 11:04 pm

    My 2 Cents wrote:

    Perhaps the saddest thing of all is that despite not only: (1) the present/past failures of Obama and his socialist friends, and (2) their upcoming failures and the subsequent collapse of our economy, the people will STILL not learn. America is like a drug addict or alcoholic now, focused on nothing more but the next high. We will have to hit rock bottom (and we still have a long way to go to get there) before we can seek a recovery. And since America is (and has been) mankind’s last and greatest hope, humanity itself may be entering a dark age. With luck, it will be short-lived (perhaps less than 40 years?). After that, future generations may yet rediscover the value of the “old ways” of freedom, liberty, free-markets, individual rights, individual (not “social”) justice, the rule-of-law (and not of men), equality of opportunity (not of results), balanced budgets, minimalist government, and more. So long as we live, we must not give up hope. I am NOT optimistic about the short term. My grandchildren, however, may yet live long enough to witness an America reborn, restored to its former glory as that shining beacon of freedom and liberty that it once was.

    If history is any guide, the comeback will most likely be elsewhere.


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