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The way ahead

by Speranza ( 163 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Elections 2012, Elections 2016, Mitt Romney at November 9th, 2012 - 8:00 am

Outside of his favorably  mentioning Jeb “Porky” Bush, I generally agree with Dr. K. However I would take a 10th amendment attitude towards the more divisive social issues such as abortion and gay marriage as I am tired of the GOP being perceived as the anti-homosexual party (unfair as that image is). Romney’s  demagoguery concerning Governor Perry on the Texas “in-state tuition” came back to haunt him (as Rodan predicted). That was a purely Texas issue and trying to out demagogue Rick Santorum and  Michele Bachmann was a foolish thing to do.  Middle class Hispanics (business men, professionals, etc) should be natural Republicans.  We also (as Sean Hannity said last night) need Senate candidates who are disciplined and vetted enough to handle a stupid question  about abortion (thank you Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock) and I would rather have an elected “RINO” (God, I am starting to hate that term)  in a Blue or Purple State (like Mike Castle or Scott Brown) then lose with an unelectable Republican (like she whose name I will not mention Who Was Not a Witch).  Just my opinion.

by Charles Krauthammer

They lose and immediately the chorus begins. Republicans must change or die. A rump party of white America, it must adapt to evolving demographics or forever be the minority.

The only part of this that is even partially true regards Hispanics. They should be a natural Republican constituency: striving immigrant community, religious, Catholic, family-oriented and socially conservative (on abortion, for example).

The principal reason they go Democratic is the issue of illegal immigrants. In securing the Republican nomination, Mitt Romney made the strategic error of (unnecessarily) going to the right of Rick Perry. Romney could never successfully tack back.

[.........]

I’ve always been of the “enforcement first” school, with the subsequent promise of legalization. I still think it’s the better policy. But many Hispanics fear that there will be nothing beyond enforcement. So, promise amnesty right up front. Secure the border with guaranteed legalization to follow on the day the four border-state governors affirm that illegal immigration has slowed to a trickle.

Imagine Marco Rubio advancing such a policy on the road to 2016. It would transform the landscape. He’d win the Hispanic vote. Yes, win it. A problem fixable with a single policy initiative is not structural. It is solvable.

The other part of the current lament is that the Republican Party consistently trails among blacks, young people and (unmarried) women. (Republicans are plus-7 among married women.) But this is not for reasons of culture, identity or even affinity. It is because these constituencies tend to be more politically liberal — and Republicans are the conservative party.

The country doesn’t need two liberal parties. Yes, Republicans need to weed out candidates who talk like morons about rape. But this doesn’t mean the country needs two pro-choice parties either. In fact, more women are pro-life than are pro-choice. The problem here for Republicans is not policy but delicacy — speaking about culturally sensitive and philosophically complex issues with reflection and prudence.

Additionally, warn the doomsayers, Republicans must change not just ethnically but ideologically. Back to the center. Moderation above all!

[.......]

So, why give it up? Republicans lost the election not because they advanced a bad argument but because they advanced a good argument not well enough. Romney ran a solid campaign, but he is by nature a Northeastern moderate. He sincerely adopted the new conservatism but still spoke it as a second language.

More Ford ’76 than Reagan ’80, Romney is a transitional figure, both generationally and ideologically. Behind him, the party has an extraordinarily strong bench. In Congress — Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Kelly Ayotte, (the incoming) Ted Cruz and others. And the governors — Bobby Jindal, Scott Walker, Nikki Haley, plus former governor Jeb Bush and the soon-retiring Mitch Daniels. (Chris Christie is currently in rehab.)

They were all either a little too young or just not personally prepared to run in 2012. No longer. There may not be a Reagan among them, but this generation of rising leaders is philosophically rooted and politically fluent in the new constitutional conservatism.

Ignore the trimmers. There’s no need for radical change. The other party thinks it owns the demographic future — counter that in one stroke by fixing the Latino problem. Do not, however, abandon the party’s philosophical anchor. In a world where European social democracy is imploding before our eyes, the party of smaller, more modernized government owns the ideological future.

Romney is a good man who made the best argument he could, and nearly won. He would have made a superb chief executive, but he (like the Clinton machine) could not match Barack Obama in the darker arts of public persuasion.

The answer to Romney’s failure is not retreat, not aping the Democrats’ patchwork pandering. It is to make the case for restrained, rationalized and reformed government in stark contradistinction to Obama’s increasingly unsustainable big-spending, big-government paternalism.

Republicans: No whimpering. No whining. No reinvention when none is needed. Do conservatism but do it better. There’s a whole generation of leaders ready to do just that.

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  1. African Moondog
    1 | November 9, 2012 8:06 am

    I would rather have an elected “RINO” (God, I am starting to hate that term) in a Blue or Purple State (like Mike Castle or Scott Brown) then lose with an unelectable Republican (like she whose name I will not mention Who Was Not a Witch).

    You don’t have to mention her name but who are you talking about?


  2. rain of lead
    2 | November 9, 2012 8:06 am

    mornin ya’ll
    wonder how many more companys will announce layoffs today


  3. 3 | November 9, 2012 8:11 am

    I disagree with Dr. K that the big issue is illegal immigration. I live in California -- where there is a high percentage of legal “Hispanic” voters and they are not enamoured of mass amnesty either -- ballot measures designed to curb benefits or deal with illegals win handily -- Gray Davis was thrown out of office by a wide margin over the issue of California driver’s licenses. Jerry Brown has just signed legislation giving the “DREAM ACT” amnesty kids license privileges. And now we have a Democrat supermajority in Sacramento. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

    We aren’t talking 6,000,000 like in 1984 -- we’re talking 20,000,000 receiving amnesty and flooding a job market they will now be eligible to join. And Black America who voted nearly 97% for Obana is NOT in favor of amnesty. Not that Obama will care.


  4. rain of lead
    4 | November 9, 2012 8:13 am

    @ African Moondog:

    christine o’donnel


  5. 5 | November 9, 2012 8:19 am

    @ rain of lead:

    While the layoffs like Boeing make the headlines, you’re seeing other stories of small businesses laying off workers, or not hiring workers or moving everyone to part time. And these part time workers are going to be responsible to purchase health insurance.


  6. 6 | November 9, 2012 8:20 am

    I would rather have an elected “RINO” (God, I am starting to hate that term) in a Blue or Purple State (like Mike Castle or Scott Brown) then lose with an unelectable Republican

    Then if they nominate Jeb Bush I expect you to vote for him. RINOs don’t help us. If you think they do, I suggest you review Chris Christie’s recent performance vis Obama in the wake of Hurricane Sandy and realize that he may have cost Romney enough votes in th eSwing States to throw the election. That’s what RINOs do. Them make “bi-partisan” inititives that Aren’t in any way really bi=partisan. They give cover to the enemy as surely as anything on the battlefield. If you’d have rather ObamaCare pass with a “bi-partisan” majority, then by all means vote for the RINO. Me, if I were inclined to vote for a Democrat, I’d vote for the Democrat.


  7. 7 | November 9, 2012 8:22 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    The restuarant conglomerate that owns Red Lobester, among others, is doing just that. They won’t have full-time employees any more. Problem solved, and all these now-part-time workers will be responsible for coughing up Obama’s $2500 a year TAX for not being covered, because I can tell you from experience that these people don’t make enough money to be able to afford their own insurance premiums.


  8. rain of lead
    8 | November 9, 2012 8:25 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    yes ma’am so very true
    at work since wed been telling the young’uns and the obamabots
    what they have to look forward to with obamacare and the loomoing
    tax hikes
    their shocked and stunned expressions are priceless


  9. ferb123
    9 | November 9, 2012 8:26 am

    Hello,

    wish you all a nice day with interesting discussions.

    XOXO

    (how about running Susana Martinez in 2016? She is woman, hispanic and very conservative.)


  10. rain of lead
    10 | November 9, 2012 8:26 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I look for many retail chains to begin to shift to the new normal


  11. 11 | November 9, 2012 8:27 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    their shocked and stunned expressions are priceless

    People are going to be shocked and stunned by what happens to the economy in the next four years. The People have no one to blame but themselves. They chose to go this route. Buitter, am I? You betcha.


  12. bluliner10
    12 | November 9, 2012 8:27 am

    A sign on the way into the gate today was perfect.

    Here we go to the slaughter,
    The chickens voted for Col Sanders.

    This town is not happy, a town full of retired US Marines.


  13. 13 | November 9, 2012 8:28 am

    @ ferb123:

    She’s be acceptable. We’ll see. I’d say Marco Rubio is positioned the best right now, and he’s already making inroads in Iowa.


  14. rain of lead
    14 | November 9, 2012 8:29 am

    @ ferb123:

    maybe
    to soon to think about 2016
    right now looking to the 2014 midterms
    thinking after the us economy implodes next year we might be able to pick up a seat or two


  15. rain of lead
    15 | November 9, 2012 8:31 am

    WaPo headline: “West Nile virus may have mutated, doctors report severe brain damage not seen in past victims”
    That explains Tuesday


  16. rain of lead
    16 | November 9, 2012 8:33 am

    good job Chris
    your work here is done

    Christie Calls Obama to Congratulate, Emails Romney


  17. ferb123
    17 | November 9, 2012 8:35 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ ferb123:
    She’s be acceptable. We’ll see. I’d say Marco Rubio is positioned the best right now, and he’s already making inroads in Iowa.

    I think if you really want to attract women and hispanics, Martinez is the far better choice than Rubio.


  18. rain of lead
    18 | November 9, 2012 8:38 am

    Blind squrrels and nuts

    Ron Paul: Election shows U.S. ‘far gone’

    Rep. Ron Paul, whose maverick presidential bids shook the GOP, said in the wake of this week’s elections that the country has already veered over the fiscal cliff and he sees no chance of righting ship in a country where too many people are dependent on government.

    “We’re so far gone. We’re over the cliff,” the Texas Republican told Bloomberg Television’s “In the Loop” program. “We cannot get enough people in Congress in the next 5-10 years who will do wise things.”

    “People do not want anything cut,” he said. “They want all the bailouts to come. They want the Fed to keep printing the money. And they don’t believe that we’ve gone off the cliff or are close to going off the cliff. They think we can patch it over, that we can somehow come up with some magic solution. But you can’t have a budgetary solution if you don’t change what the role of government should be. As long as you think we have to police the world and run this welfare state, all we are going to argue about is who will get the loot


  19. rain of lead
    19 | November 9, 2012 8:43 am

    layoff list for today (so far)

    Teco Coal officials announce layoffs

    Momentive Inc plans temporary layoffs for 150

    Wilkes-Barre officials to announce mandatory layoffs

    600 layoffs at Groupon

    More layoffs announced at Aniston Weapons Incinerator

    Murray Energy confirms 150 layoffs at 3 subsidiaries

    130 laid off in Minnesota dairy plant closure

    Stanford brake plant to lay off 75

    Turbocare, Oce to lay off more than 220 workers

    ATI plans to lay off 172 workers in North Richland Hills

    SpaceX claims its first victims as Rocketdyne lays off 100

    Providence Journal lays off 23 full-time employees

    CVPH lays off 17

    New Energy lays off 40 employees

    102 Utah miners laid off because of ‘war on coal’, company says

    US Cellular drops Chicago, cuts 640 jobs


  20. 20 | November 9, 2012 8:46 am

    @ rain of lead:

    And each one is now entitled to 99 weeks of unemployment. And Medicaid.


  21. rain of lead
    21 | November 9, 2012 8:47 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    what is the % of unemployment?
    60% of a workers reg earnings or something like that?


  22. 22 | November 9, 2012 8:48 am

    @ rain of lead:

    I never had any trouble with Ron Paul’s economic policies -- he has some solid footing there and good ideas.

    I have real problems with his anti-semitism and foreign policy ideas.


  23. rain of lead
    23 | November 9, 2012 8:49 am

    Report: PepsiCo Looks to Juice Profits With 4,000 Layoffs

    Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2012/01/05/report-pepsico-looks-to-juice-profits-with-4000-layoffs/#ixzz2BjW8Uu6r

    In an effort to boost its bottom line, PepsiCo (PEP) management is reportedly contemplating laying off about 4,000 workers and putting a stop to its 401(k) match.

    According to the New York Post, a final decision on these cost-cutting moves could be made in days.


  24. Storagemanager
    24 | November 9, 2012 8:51 am

    There will not be a united sates in 2014…..it takes money to feed a nation….not sweet talk.


  25. rain of lead
    25 | November 9, 2012 8:52 am

    How Many Businesses Have Announced Closings or Layoffs Since Obama Won A Second Term?

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/how-many-businesses-have-announced-closings-or-lay-offs-since-obama-won-a-second-term/

    In the last 48 hours, the following major corporations have announced layoffs in America (links take you to news stories about the layoffs – with details from the companies):

    (it’s a long, long list)


  26. Storagemanager
    26 | November 9, 2012 8:54 am

    @ rain of lead:
    Just like the U.S.S.R ….America will go to bed and wake up dead.


  27. Storagemanager
    27 | November 9, 2012 8:56 am

    Becoming European
    The Founders’ vision of the people as sovereign lost on Tuesday http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/333038/becoming-european-jonah-goldberg


  28. 28 | November 9, 2012 8:58 am

    @ rain of lead:

    You mean the unemployment numbers for the under employed, unemployed and those that have stopped looking? I think it’s something like 21%.

    I noticed that magically, two weeks before the election, we get reports that people are imbued with a new optimism and are back to looking for work. Except how do you measure that? People who have exhausted unemployment, college students who have never held full time jobs, high school students who have graduated and cannot find work -- all of these people have ceased to be counted.

    All these people who thought it really was “getting better” — are about to find out that no, it wasn’t, not really. We’ll need to wait and see when the Xmas shopping numbers come in, but I think a good number of those temp part time workers that somehow magically got the unemployment number under 8% will be fired and laid off before Xmas ever arrives.

    I will be interested to see if Obama asks Congress to include “part time” workers as those eligible for unemployment and Medicaid -- anything to stave off the reality of Obama’s economy.


  29. Speranza
    29 | November 9, 2012 8:59 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    Iron Fist wrote:
    @ ferb123:
    She’s be acceptable. We’ll see. I’d say Marco Rubio is positioned the best right now, and he’s already making inroads in Iowa.

    I think if you really want to attract women and hispanics, Martinez is the far better choice than Rubio.

    You might be right.


  30. rain of lead
    30 | November 9, 2012 9:03 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    no,no
    I meant when someone draws unemployment benefits

    how much do they get as a % of theit reg income
    I don’t think they get the full amount equal to what
    they were earning, do they


  31. rain of lead
    31 | November 9, 2012 9:05 am

    Chart Of The Day: When $0.99 Becomes Unaffordable, We Have A Problem

    Earlier today, fast food juggernaut McDonalds reported same store sales for the month October. At -1.8%, this number was well below expectations of -1.1%, and a drop from September’s 1.9%. It was driven by a 2%+ drop in comp store sales across all locations: US, Europea and APMEA, with the US performing just as bad as Europe. Most importantly, this was the first monthly drop in MCD comp sales since March 2003! So our question is: at what point does the perpetually self-deluded US population finally admit to itself that when even 99 cent meals are no longer affordable, that this country has a problem?

    Charting the last 4 years of McD sales, and eagerly looking forward to 4 more years.


  32. 32 | November 9, 2012 9:10 am

    @ rain of lead:

    Oh, sorry. I don’t know -- I think it varies by state. I believe California caps it at something like $500 a week -- and I know that our EDD Unemployment funds have totally dried up. You also get Medicaid, Section 8 if you need it, and food stamps.


  33. 33 | November 9, 2012 9:11 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ rain of lead:
    While the layoffs like Boeing make the headlines, you’re seeing other stories of small businesses laying off workers, or not hiring workers or moving everyone to part time. And these part time workers are going to be responsible to purchase health insurance.

    Yup.

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    will be interested to see if Obama asks Congress to include “part time” workers as those eligible for unemployment and Medicaid — anything to stave off the reality of Obama’s economy.

    AFAIK, the eligibility for unemployment has to do with the dollar amount you’ve earned, not with the number of hours you spent earning it.

    I am not sure what the dollar amount thresholds are in different states.

    But I do know that if you haven’t earned very much because you were a low-paid worker, and you lose your low-paid job, your unemployment check will be tiny.

    rain of lead wrote:

    Report: PepsiCo Looks to Juice Profits With 4,000 Layoffs
    Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2012/01/05/report-pepsico-looks-to-juice-profits-with-4000-layoffs/#ixzz2BjW8Uu6r
    In an effort to boost its bottom line, PepsiCo (PEP) management is reportedly contemplating laying off about 4,000 workers and putting a stop to its 401(k) match.
    According to the New York Post, a final decision on these cost-cutting moves could be made in days.

    Minimum-wage part-time workers can’t afford to buy themselves soft drinks. Just sayin’. We drink water and we make coffee at home from coffee we buy at the dollar store and we do not go to restaurants or sit at the bar and order drinks, soft or otherwise.

    rain of lead wrote:

    good job Chris
    your work here is done
    Christie Calls Obama to Congratulate, Emails Romney

    He can go f*** himself with a red-hot chainsaw.


  34. 34 | November 9, 2012 9:11 am

    @ ferb123:

    Actually Martinez would be stronger than Rubio, she’s a Governor. But Rubio is more Charismatic.


  35. 35 | November 9, 2012 9:12 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    good job Chris
    your work here is done
    Christie Calls Obama to Congratulate, Emails Romney

    That is my next post.


  36. 36 | November 9, 2012 9:14 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    Chart Of The Day: When $0.99 Becomes Unaffordable, We Have A Problem
    Earlier today, fast food juggernaut McDonalds reported same store sales for the month October. At -1.8%, this number was well below expectations of -1.1%, and a drop from September’s 1.9%. It was driven by a 2%+ drop in comp store sales across all locations: US, Europea and APMEA, with the US performing just as bad as Europe. Most importantly, this was the first monthly drop in MCD comp sales since March 2003! So our question is: at what point does the perpetually self-deluded US population finally admit to itself that when even 99 cent meals are no longer affordable, that this country has a problem?
    Charting the last 4 years of McD sales, and eagerly looking forward to 4 more years.

    People who live on ramen noodles can’t afford much fast food, and when we do buy fast food we get the cheapest things on the menu.

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    no,no
    I meant when someone draws unemployment benefits
    how much do they get as a % of theit reg income
    I don’t think they get the full amount equal to what
    they were earning, do they

    No. It’s a small fraction of what they had been earning.

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    The restuarant conglomerate that owns Red Lobster, among others, is doing just that. They won’t have full-time employees any more. Problem solved, and all these now-part-time workers will be responsible for coughing up Obama’s $2500 a year TAX for not being covered, because I can tell you from experience that these people don’t make enough money to be able to afford their own insurance premiums.

    You got that right.


  37. Storagemanager
    37 | November 9, 2012 9:15 am

    Looking for something to read as Thanksgiving approaches? Or a unique take on what has made President Barack Obama such a successful politician? Or perhaps an explanation of Obama as an apostle and his “politics as religion?”

    You could check out “The Gospel According to Apostle Barack” by Barbara Thompson (AuthorHouse 2012). The mouthful of the book’s subtitle is: “In Search of a More Perfect Political Union as Heaven Here on Earth.”

    The book’s thesis is that Obama is not just the 43rd president of the United States. Much more than that, he’s an apostle akin to Martin Luther King, Jr. or even Jesus Christ
    http://weaselzippers.us/


  38. 38 | November 9, 2012 9:16 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ Carolina Girl:
    no,no
    I meant when someone draws unemployment benefits
    how much do they get as a % of theit reg income
    I don’t think they get the full amount equal to what
    they were earning, do they

    No, it’s about 45%.


  39. Storagemanager
    39 | November 9, 2012 9:19 am

    President after president, both Democrats and Republicans, have been burnt by the nation-building policy. Jimmy Carter depended on the new Islamic Republic of Iran to protect the American Embassy, which it did not. George W. Bush depended on the Afghan tribal army (that we had trained and armed to defeat the Taliban) to capture Osama bin Laden hidden in the mountains, which it did not. And now our government (and ambassador) depended upon Libya’s new government to come to the rescue of the besieged consulate. They did come, but four hours late and clueless. They meant well, but this secular group of intellectual elites do not in any way represent the mass of Libyans.

    We, and the rest of the responsible world, should close consulates in countries that fail to protect us. If they want democracy, they should have to do it on their own.

    Read more: Family Security Matters http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/real-benghazi-problem-not-being-addressed#ixzz2BjdtrX9i
    Under Creative Commons License: Attribution


  40. 40 | November 9, 2012 9:20 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    This will be the new norm. Only part time jobs. People will have to work 2 jobs.


  41. 41 | November 9, 2012 9:20 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    I saw that -- barf alert. That despicable shithead Tourette over at MSLSD satd he “wept, because the White House stayed Black.”


  42. 42 | November 9, 2012 9:20 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    Republicans need to abandon the whole spread democracy foreign policy.


  43. 43 | November 9, 2012 9:21 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    The god-king!


  44. rain of lead
    44 | November 9, 2012 9:23 am

    @ doriangrey:

    ok thanks
    so now all those people just took a 50% pay cut
    but unemployment benefits stimulate the economey

    whoo hoooo
    good times are a coming
    we all need to jump on this gravy train

    Pelosi was right: Economists say unemployment insurance stimulates the economy


  45. 45 | November 9, 2012 9:24 am

    We’ve been talking about needing a “new Reagan”, Arthur Davis says we need a “Republican Clinton”. He’s speaking a lot of truth.


  46. rain of lead
    46 | November 9, 2012 9:24 am

    @ Rodan:

    shit
    I already work 2 jobs
    now I’m gonna have to work 3 jobs


  47. heysoos
    47 | November 9, 2012 9:25 am

    we need to take a long hard look at what defines ‘American interests’…we absolutely need to join with Canada and Mexico as partners in the energy business…let the ME burn…we are getting desperate


  48. Storagemanager
    48 | November 9, 2012 9:25 am

    The toilet zone http://www.americanthinker.com/cartoons/


  49. 49 | November 9, 2012 9:27 am

    heysoos wrote:

    we need to take a long hard look at what defines ‘American interests’…we absolutely need to join with Canada and Mexico as partners in the energy business…let the ME burn…we are getting desperate

    Exactly. It’s time to end our Mideast obsession. Nothing good has come from it.


  50. Guggi
    50 | November 9, 2012 9:27 am

    ferb123 wrote:

    I think if you really want to attract women and hispanics, Martinez is the far better choice than Rubio.

    OK, so we make politicis only for special groups not for the people ?

    You want the U.S.A. become an Osman Empire, right ? Do you wish the same for the EU ?

    And btw: are you willing to pay much more for the military and to sacrifice young Germans in Germany when the U.S.A. cut their costs and are no longer available in the NATO to pick the sh*t the Europeans can’t handle in Europe ? The Europeans weren’t even able to solve the conflict between Morocco and Spain about the Persil-islands.


  51. Storagemanager
    51 | November 9, 2012 9:27 am

    Obama sez….ask not what you can do for you country….ask what can my country give me.


  52. Guggi
    52 | November 9, 2012 9:28 am

    Rodan wrote:

    It’s time to end our Mideast obsession.

    Are you throwing Israel under the bus ?


  53. 53 | November 9, 2012 9:29 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    We’ve been talking about needing a “new Reagan”, Arthur Davis says we need a “Republican Clinton”. He’s speaking a lot of truth.

    He’s right and I agree. We need a Republican who can cut into the DEms lead with Hispanics, Asians, Young people, Single women and break through the Blue Wall (PA, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa).

    Right now the Democratic Party has won 4 of the last 6 Presidential elections and got the popular vote 5 out of 6. The GOP needs to adapt.


  54. RIX
    54 | November 9, 2012 9:29 am

    I trust that this is the end of Akin in MO.
    That seat should have been an easy pickup.
    He should have got out for the greater good.


  55. 55 | November 9, 2012 9:30 am

    @ Guggi:

    Who said anything about that? I’m for arming Israel, But Its time to not have any relations with the Muzzie countries.


  56. livefreeor die
    56 | November 9, 2012 9:31 am

    rain of lead wrote:

    good job Chris
    your work here is done

    Christie Calls Obama to Congratulate, Emails Romney

    Classless piece of …


  57. Storagemanager
    57 | November 9, 2012 9:32 am

    Sources confirmed today that hundreds of thousands of military absentee ballots were delivered hours after the deadline for them to be counted, with preliminary counts showing that they would have overturned the vote in several states and brought a victory for Governor Mitt Romney.

    Officials say the ballots were delivered late due to problems within the military mail system. Tracking invoices show the ballots sat in a warehouse for a month, then they were accidentally labeled as ammunition and shipped to Afghanistan. At Camp Dwyer, Marine Sergeant John Davis signed for them and was surprised at the contents.

    “I told Gunny we got a bunch of ballots instead of ammo,” Davis told investigators earlier today. “He told me to file a report of improper delivery and that the chain of command would take care of it. We didn’t hear anything for three weeks. While we were waiting we came under fire so we dumped a bunch of them in the Hescoes. We didn’t dig those ones back out.”

    After military officials realized the initial error, the ballots were then sent back to the US but suffered a series of setbacks.
    http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/7435


  58. Storagemanager
    58 | November 9, 2012 9:34 am

    CNN headline…piece of shit network

    Iran defends its right to confront airspace incursions http://www.cnn.com/


  59. rain of lead
    59 | November 9, 2012 9:34 am

    bwahahahahaha
    suck it massholes

    Brian McGrory

    Elizabeth Warren a woman of few words

    For the sake of Massachusetts, let’s hope that Elizabeth Warren gets better than this.

    She was always a mildly underwhelming candidate, clutching her talking points like they were a satchel of gold — millionaires and ­billionaires, a level playing field, big oil. As deft as she was at slogans, she was never so good at answering questions, which was odd for a person of such experience and substance.

    Her acceptance on Tuesday night continued that odd tradition — her stump speech warmed over with a midway nod ­toward her vanquished opponent, Scott Brown. It was hard to fathom that she couldn’t offer a few meaningful words on what it means to capture the honor of ­representing Massachusetts in the US ­Senate.

    But none of this could have prepared anyone for the scene that unfolded Thursday afternoon in the governor’s suite of the State House. Warren met with Deval ­Patrick in his private office, and then the pair came into an adjacent conference room, where a battery of cameras and ­reporters were waiting.
    Related

    Warren says she is trying for more discretion

    Now consider for a moment what these introductory news conferences are intended to be. Easy — that’s what they’re supposed to be. It should be, and probably will be, the easiest news conference of a newly-elected official’s life, the anxiety of the election behind, the glow of victory all around, the glory of service ahead.

    It was Warren’s chance to rest her ­elbows on the podium, tell the gathered crowd that she’s never felt this exhausted in her life, and then share a bit of her exhilaration over the prospect of standing up for the working class in the most important ­deliberative body in the world, talking points aside.

    So did she do this, any of it? Let’s go to the tape.

    “I’m glad,” she said curtly to a question about the high turnout of women voters that undoubtedly propelled her to victory.

    “I’m delighted,” she said abruptly when asked her feelings on the number of women voted to high office this week.

    “Of course,” she said shortly, when asked if she would seek diversity on her staff.

    To the important question of what committee assignments she’d like, she replied, “I will continue to talk to the leader about it.”

    After less than 12 minutes of these ­comically clipped answers, a gubernatorial aide called, “Last question,” prompting Warren to flee the room as if the podium was on fire. She made Scott Brown look like Cicero.

    It only hurt, not helped, to learn that Warren later told a few reporters by way of explanation, “All I can say is I was a lot more discreet as a candidate than I was in real life.” She turned to an aide as she said this and asked, “Can I say that? Maybe it’s indiscreet to talk about discretion.”

    Here’s what Elizabeth Warren needs to understand — immediately. Tens of thousands of good, honest, hard-working people sent her tens of millions of dollars to run what amounted to the most expensive and elaborate political campaign that this state has ever seen.

    They didn’t just give their money, these supporters. They invested their hopes, their hearts, their dreams, and for many of them, their time. If she didn’t turn out to be the most scintillating candidate, that was OK, because she was far better than the other option, and they knew she would improve once she grabbed the prize.

    And now that she’s won, what these people expect, what they want, is what is supposed to be Warren’s trademark: openness and honesty. They want someone who will treat the public with dignity and give honest voice to the issues that are on everyone’s mind, discretion be damned.

    Yes, she is tired. Of course, it’s all new. Admittedly, this is about style.

    But election night was lazy. Thursday was disrespectful. If Elizabeth Warren is better than this, and there is every hope and belief that she is, it’s time to start showing it now.

    bwahahahaha
    the scrunt has not even started and she’s lost the boston globe
    hahahahaha


  60. 60 | November 9, 2012 9:34 am

    @ Rodan:

    The importance of the Middle East is in direct proportion to the amount of oil we buy from them. We need to immediately begin to exploit domestic/continental sources……..yeah, like that’s gonna happen.


  61. livefreeor die
    61 | November 9, 2012 9:36 am

    @ Storagemanager:
    If this is true, can’t the Romney campaign get them reinstated? Make a national deal of this? That WOULD be stealing an election to have those votes ignored.


  62. eaglesoars
    62 | November 9, 2012 9:37 am

    There is another kind of war we’ll be seeing in the GOP. Steve Schmidt, who ran McCain’s campaign and now is an MSNBC talking dick, talks to Brian Williams about how Rush Limbaugh needs to be shut down.

    I smell Fairness Doctrine.

    BRIAN WILLIAMS: We’ve had some dustup with Rush Limbaugh, we’ve had some tweets tonight from Donald Trump. By nature, they are – they tend to be polemicists. I think that’s a polite, accurate word. They tend to still get MSM attention, and attention on the left and right, and your advice to those, especially in your party, is to shut this down.

    STEVE SCHMIDT: It’s gotta be shut down. It needs to be repudiated by serious leaders in the party. Look, conservatism is a serious governing philosophy, and it has served this country well, and it will serve the country well in the future. But conservatism shouldn’t be defined by fidelity to all of these crazy statements by talk-radio personalities, or by reality show hosts who go out and say outrageous things.

    And when you have these reality show hosts, like Donald Trump, who are hanging around with our presidential candidates, they are, by virtue of that, given some platform for seriousness, and they call for “revolution” on their Twitter accounts, after the president has been legitimately re-elected by the American people. It’s gotta be shut down by serious leaders in the Republican party, and it’s gotta be part of the policy going forward.”


  63. livefreeor die
    63 | November 9, 2012 9:38 am

    @ rain of lead:
    No, Massholes, she’s not going to do better than this. She’s above you peons. Stop bothering her with your plebian questions.


  64. rain of lead
    64 | November 9, 2012 9:39 am

    later h8ters
    /
    off to the salt mines


  65. Speranza
    65 | November 9, 2012 9:40 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    Coming from a guy spewing his bullshit at PMSNBC that is funny.


  66. bluliner10
    66 | November 9, 2012 9:40 am

    @ Rodan:
    No, Reagan was a leader who dug deeply into the democratic base as well. We don’t need a shape-shifter, we need a leader who can deliver the case succinctly in a language everybody understands.


  67. heysoos
    67 | November 9, 2012 9:40 am

    Hyperion makes a sweet little mini nuclear power plant…get them licensed and on line…get Yucca MT back on line…get Keystone built, along with a few new refineries…subsidize hemp rather than corn, that stuff is incredible so determine its uses and develope markets….say goodbye to the snail darter and open up the CA agribusiness again…open up the Permian Basin in NM for gas gas gas…let that lizard down there fend for itself…figure out new ways to burn cleaner coal…invest in out power grids…take care of ourselves…it’s not about money, it’s about the will to forge ahead….figure out the problem and solve it


  68. Storagemanager
    68 | November 9, 2012 9:42 am

    Alas, apparently it could not be. The American spirit has been overwhelmed by the European model of social democracy at home and appeasement and treachery abroad.

    But all the dependency champions who celebrated on Tuesday night cannot stop the coming storm. The greatest advantage Obama had going into the election was not demography but the fact that the full consequences of his statist economic policies and his pro-jihadist foreign policy have not yet been felt.

    Nationalized healthcare will only be fully implemented in 2014. Americans will only begin watching old men and women die because the federal government denied them lifesaving, but expensive treatments a year from now. They will only lose their doctors due to dwindling Medicare reimbursements in a year.

    College students who got out the vote for Obama will only find themselves doomed to low-paying jobs and a life of indebtedness as they fail year in and year out to pay off their college loans, in a year or two. And by the time they realize what it means to be saddled with a national debt of $16 trillion, they will be locked into a government-controlled economy that requires them to keep their silence or lose their livelihoods.

    Then there are the consequences of Obama’s foreign policies. The attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi exposed the failure of his strategy of appeasing jihadists and had the potential to sink his presidency by turning suburban voters against him in places like Pennsylvania. But lucky for him, the Benghazi debacle was small enough for the media to hide from the electorate.

    Sure a US ambassador and three others were murdered. But four is not a very large number. And it was over in a day.

    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1112/glick110912.php3


  69. coldwarrior
    69 | November 9, 2012 9:42 am

    i’m off to tina’s funeral…later yinz.

    :(


  70. eaglesoars
    70 | November 9, 2012 9:43 am

    Speranza wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Coming from a guy spewing his bullshit at PMSNBC that is funny.

    Worse than that. Almost single-handedly, he cost McCain the election. There were 2 anonymous sources that slimed Sarah Palin in the media. Schmidt was one, Nicole Wallace was the other.

    He is the enemy.


  71. 71 | November 9, 2012 9:44 am

    @ rain of lead:

    If Tuesday illustrated anything, it’s that there’s far more stupid fu#ks in this country than I thought…and I’ve not been one to overestimate in that regard. I’ll have to recalibrate my Stupid Fu#k Meter forthwith.

    “The People of Wal-Mart” isn’t parody, it’s a documentary.


  72. eaglesoars
    72 | November 9, 2012 9:45 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    i’m off to tina’s funeral…later yinz.

    Love to her family from all of us, ok?


  73. Guggi
    73 | November 9, 2012 9:51 am

    @ Rodan:

    Ok.


  74. 74 | November 9, 2012 9:53 am

    bluliner10 wrote:

    No, Reagan was a leader who dug deeply into the democratic base as well. We don’t need a shape-shifter, we need a leader who can deliver the case succinctly in a language everybody understands.

    Well said! Reagan didn’t appeal to divergent interest groups individually, he convinced those interest groups that we all shared common values and he spoke to those values. By the way, I dig the “shape shifter” line (be forewarned, I may steal it) ;)


  75. 75 | November 9, 2012 9:55 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    I am not sure, but when I saw this earlier this week at “Duffel Blog” someone commented that it was satire. The truly sad thing is, considering Obama’s need to suppress the military vote, I’d have no trouble believing the story to be true.


  76. Speranza
    76 | November 9, 2012 9:55 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Coming from a guy spewing his bullshit at PMSNBC that is funny.

    Worse than that. Almost single-handedly, he cost McCain the election. There were 2 anonymous sources that slimed Sarah Palin in the media. Schmidt was one, Nicole Wallace was the other.
    He is the enemy.

    Please, if Romney in 2012 could not win, McCain in 2008 certainly could not win either. However Schmidt and Wallace made things a lot worse.


  77. 77 | November 9, 2012 9:56 am

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    No, Reagan was a leader who dug deeply into the democratic base as well. We don’t need a shape-shifter, we need a leader who can deliver the case succinctly in a language everybody understands.

    here’s the thing. Clinton shattered the GOP lock on the electoral college. We have never recovered from the 92 election, it was a realignment. We need someone who can do the same for our side. Not a Clinton per say, but somebody who can appeal to people who currently don’t feel comfortable voting Reoublican at the Presidential level.

    We have to do something, what we have been doing aint working.


  78. Storagemanager
    78 | November 9, 2012 9:56 am

    As Rush said….are you telling me..we need to give up our morals and values to win?


  79. Canoe Convoy
    79 | November 9, 2012 9:57 am

    @ Storagemanager:
    This is so very disappointing. Hundreds of thousands were disenfranchised due to delivery errors. :(


  80. 80 | November 9, 2012 9:58 am

    @ MacDuff:

    That should be a GOP campaign issue. No more Mideast involvement. The answer is what you said, get away from their oil.


  81. 81 | November 9, 2012 9:58 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Someone needs to tells that shithead Schmidt that there are NO conservatives in the leadership of the Republican Party. Rush, Hannity and Levin have listeners in the millions. MSLSD audiences can be measured in comparison to mid-size California cities.


  82. 82 | November 9, 2012 9:59 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    he is the enemy!


  83. 83 | November 9, 2012 10:01 am

    Maybe the Republican Party needs a name change. That would be a good way to start re-branding.


  84. 84 | November 9, 2012 10:02 am

    @ Rodan:

    BTW, I answered your email and again, thanks.


  85. eaglesoars
    85 | November 9, 2012 10:04 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Someone needs to tells that shithead Schmidt that there are NO conservatives in the leadership of the Republican Party

    I know. That’s why I can’t think of anyone to replace Boehner -- who REALLY needs to be replaced.


  86. 86 | November 9, 2012 10:07 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Maybe the Republican Party needs a name change. That would be a good way to start re-branding.

    What spawned Clinton was the DLC, a group of more moderate Democrats that sought to ape the then-successful Republicans and move away from the far Left. The DLC was a re-branding effort and that’s precisely what we need now.


  87. 87 | November 9, 2012 10:07 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Saw that, will reply later!


  88. 88 | November 9, 2012 10:08 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    Of course, what the “youth” and the college crowd doesn’t realize is that in parts of Europe, the government pays for education in the commie countries and government gives you your job. We don’t do that here (yet). I’m sure even the most “OWS” of them had dreams of that great condo or apartment and a low-end BMW starter car when they got out of college. They don’t even qualify for unemployment, and the jobs ain’t there. So they’re flipping burgers at McDonald’s (if they can even get that -- Mickey D would prefer to hire the lower rung on the food chain) or selling shoes at Macy’s. And it’s not going to change. And come June, there willl be another two hundred thousand entering the work force.

    Meanwhile, those nearing retirement age are watching their investments hit the toilet (Dow Jones anyone?) so are staying in the work force longer than they’d like. They will need to confiscate the 401K’s to pay for Social Secuity for the baby boomers.

    It is going to get very ugly very quickly. California just passed a new tax -- presumably to go to Education. I predict Moonbeam will be advising voters soon that while we would have liked it to go to Education and that that was the intention, we have out of work Californians and state workers who have a more pressing need and we’ll be diverting the money there for the time being…..


  89. 89 | November 9, 2012 10:08 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    In the next Congress, Ryan should challenge Boehner for the Speakership.


  90. 90 | November 9, 2012 10:11 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    The Speaker of the House can be anyone, doesn’t have to be an elected member of the House. Conservatives should nominate George Allen or Allen West.


  91. eaglesoars
    91 | November 9, 2012 10:13 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    In the next Congress, Ryan should challenge Boehner for the Speakership.

    I saw someone else make that suggestion yesterday (Carolina Girl?) but I disagree -- he’s much more valuable as a numbers/fiscal guy.

    And we need someone who won’t be steamrolled by Harry Reid.


  92. bluliner10
    92 | November 9, 2012 10:13 am

    @ Rodan:
    Reagan had a fire in his belly, conviction and a manner of speaking that was inviting. That is what we need. Clinton was as sturdy as a palm tree. I agree about finding the right messenger, Bush was our version of Clinton. He appealled to the base and to outliers, yet as we know he was not a conservative. While I appreciate who the man is, his policies led directly to the current situation. Clinton and Bush were opposite sides of the same coin.

    It is time though to put some of the Republican young Turks through a veritable boot camp. Raise the stress on them to find those that crack and those that will carry the flag.


  93. 93 | November 9, 2012 10:14 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Agree -- as long as Ryan keeps his budget committee chair.


  94. 94 | November 9, 2012 10:14 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    The next “culture war” will be generational, with the young fighting us Boomers for ever-decreasing resources, and jobs, like wild dogs over a rotting carcass.


  95. eaglesoars
    95 | November 9, 2012 10:14 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    The Speaker of the House can be anyone, doesn’t have to be an elected member of the House. Conservatives should nominate George Allen or Allen West.

    Wo’t happen. These people respect each other because they went thru a grueling campaign (and all of them are) and WON.

    btw, what’s going on w/Alan West?


  96. eaglesoars
    96 | November 9, 2012 10:15 am

    I need a nap. Later.


  97. 97 | November 9, 2012 10:15 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yeah it was me (see above) -- but if Speakership means Ryan’s off Budget Committee, I agree with you -- much more valuable there.


  98. 98 | November 9, 2012 10:16 am

    @ MacDuff:

    The DLC was a re-branding effort and that’s precisely what we need now.

    I think its time for a GOP version of the DLC.


  99. 99 | November 9, 2012 10:17 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Last information I saw, he was ahead by 600 votes and they were still counting. I’m going to assume there will be a recount and if there was some voter fraud, we may find it.

    Although watch for the mysterious car with enough ballots to put the challenger over the top in the trunk.


  100. 100 | November 9, 2012 10:18 am

    @ bluliner10:

    I agree with everything you wrote. I also think we should hire a PR and Marketing firm.


  101. 101 | November 9, 2012 10:19 am

    Rodan wrote:

    I think its time for a GOP version of the DLC.

    Ya know, we’ve been agreeing waaaay too much! WTF? :D


  102. darkwords
    102 | November 9, 2012 10:20 am

    @ 62 eaglesoars: let’s shut down Bill Maher first. lead by example.


  103. 103 | November 9, 2012 10:23 am

    It’s all well and good to say we need to do this or we need to do that, to follow this model by the Democrats, but we are really forgetting that the mainstream media will continue to lie, continue to distort and continue to ignore reality when it comes to any candidate from the Republican party, conservative or not. All you needed to see was McCain’s campaign in 2008. Media always tilted positive for McCain -- John the Maverick, John the Compromiser, John the War Hero. The minute he was set to challenge Barack Obama for the Presidency, he became John the Evil. And this was even before he named Palin as his running mate. And the media attacked HER in a way that was despicable. Conservstive media was continually branded misogynist for pointing out the truth about the Hildebeest, but if the woman is conservative, all bets are off.


  104. 104 | November 9, 2012 10:23 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ bluliner10:

    I agree with everything you wrote. I also think we should hire a PR and Marketing firm.

    The medium is the message. It’s kinda 60s pop-psyche, but it’s used in business marketing every day. Personally, I think this explains a lot of how Obama has been sold.


  105. darkwords
    105 | November 9, 2012 10:26 am

    @ 18 rain of lead:
    If Ron Paul was serious about his own opinions he would have endorsed Mitt Romney for President and asked all his supporters to also. He is more of a cry baby hack than anything else.


  106. Guggi
    106 | November 9, 2012 10:27 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    It’s all well and good to say we need to do this or we need to do that, to follow this model by the Democrats, but we are really forgetting that the mainstream media will continue to lie, continue to distort and continue to ignore reality when it comes to any candidate from the Republican party, conservative or not.

    Amen.


  107. 107 | November 9, 2012 10:27 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Obama is a result of pure marketing.


  108. livefreeor die
    108 | November 9, 2012 10:28 am

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Yes, we have to go after the MSM. We also need more major non-liberal news networks. The only way you kill the MSM is to make it not profitable for businesses to advertise with them.


  109. livefreeor die
    109 | November 9, 2012 10:30 am

    I’m actually working on a list of major advertisers on CNN and MSNBC. I DVRed them for 24 hours each-now I just have to get a block of time to fast forward through the recordings and write down the list. I’ll take some antinausea medicine first.


  110. 110 | November 9, 2012 10:33 am

    Also, as the implementation of Obamacare looms, there will be a drop in the employment in the medical professions. We have heard rumblings that at least 10% of practicing physicians will be closing their practices. Doctors will not be accepting Medicare patients due to the decreased payment schedule.


  111. 111 | November 9, 2012 10:33 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    It’s all well and good to say we need to do this or we need to do that, to follow this model by the Democrats, but we are really forgetting that the mainstream media will continue to lie, continue to distort and continue to ignore reality when it comes to any candidate from the Republican party, conservative or not. All you needed to see was McCain’s campaign in 2008. Media always tilted positive for McCain — John the Maverick, John the Compromiser, John the War Hero. The minute he was set to challenge Barack Obama for the Presidency, he became John the Evil. And this was even before he named Palin as his running mate. And the media attacked HER in a way that was despicable. Conservstive media was continually branded misogynist for pointing out the truth about the Hildebeest, but if the woman is conservative, all bets are off.

    Reagan went around the media and appealed directly to the people and won two landslides. Yes, I know it’s not 1980, but that model is the only one that’s viable for us. By the way, the news media are not all that popular…far less popular than they were in ’80. That’s a soft spot than can be exploited.

    Prosperity isn’t exactly around the corner and as the misery continues, even with his Svengali-like hold on the American psyche, “Obama Fatigue” may well rear its head.

    Then again, we’re officially in uncharted waters and people far above my pay grade are wondering what the hell happened on Tuesday, and why.


  112. bluliner10
    112 | November 9, 2012 10:33 am

    @ Rodan:
    Brother, we see a lot eye to eye. Now to find a candidate willing to stand on our shoulders.


  113. 113 | November 9, 2012 10:34 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Mars has an idea. Instead of spending money on Super Pacs, they should by legacy media like the NY Times.


  114. 114 | November 9, 2012 10:34 am

    @ livefreeor die:

    Great. Tell us who they are, and if any of them are someone I patronize, I will be advising them that I will no longer be doing so.


  115. bluliner10
    115 | November 9, 2012 10:35 am

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 62 eaglesoars: let’s shut down Bill Maher first. lead by example.

    An easier target would be serial sex offender Dave Letterman. And he requires advertising to survive.


  116. darkwords
    116 | November 9, 2012 10:35 am

    Obama essentially has a license to steal now. What will he have accomplished by 2016?


  117. 117 | November 9, 2012 10:35 am

    bluliner10 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Brother, we see a lot eye to eye. Now to find a candidate willing to stand on our shoulders.

    We have a godo field. Marco Rubio, Susana Martinez, Pat Toomey and Scott Walker.

    We just have to stop Chris Christie or Jeb Bush.


  118. 118 | November 9, 2012 10:35 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yep. The Koch Brothers should have purchased Time Magazine. They should buy controlling interest in the NY Times.


  119. 119 | November 9, 2012 10:36 am

    @ bluliner10:

    The Republicans should agree to tax increases on the rich. How about a Celebrity Tax? Let’s hit the Dems where it hurts.


  120. 120 | November 9, 2012 10:37 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Yep. The Koch Brothers should have purchased Time Magazine. They should buy controlling interest in the NY Times.

    That would be more effective. We need to buy into the media.


  121. 121 | November 9, 2012 10:37 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Obama is a result of pure marketing.

    He really was, that’s why we couldn’t figure out why people fell for his lame message -- twice. The message didn’t matter because Obama himself WAS the message. Marshall McLuhan would be proud.


  122. 122 | November 9, 2012 10:38 am

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 18 rain of lead:
    If Ron Paul was serious about his own opinions he would have endorsed Mitt Romney for President and asked all his supporters to also. He is more of a cry baby hack than anything else.

    Ron Paul is an anti-Semitic white supremest con man, he invests all of his money in gold futures and bets against the American dollar. The Ronulans are imbeciles and fools.


  123. darkwords
    123 | November 9, 2012 10:38 am

    I’d like to see the long list of people who voted for McCain and didn’t vote for Romney? Are they all dead?


  124. 124 | November 9, 2012 10:38 am

    @ bluliner10:

    Maher requires subscribers. HBO has a lot of movies and TV shows to finance as well. Although Maher has a contract and it may be that HBO can’t drop Maher now -- they will simply cancel his show when his contract expires. I dropped HBO and told them flat out the reason was that I no longer wanted to pay Maher’s salary and that “Game Change” was a smear job on Sarah Palin, so they could take all their anti-conservative programming and shove it up their ass.


  125. darkwords
    125 | November 9, 2012 10:40 am

    @ 122 doriangrey: I think most of them fall into the fool category.. lot of naive idealistic kid voting for him in the hope he will legalize marijuana. But they were still votes. I suspect most of them voted for Obama.


  126. bluliner10
    126 | November 9, 2012 10:40 am

    David Lettermen was using his position to have sex with numerous interns and other employees at the network. He was quickly elevated to “victim” when the husband of one of his conquests tried to blackmail him. Should have attacked Letterman’s behavior and called him a sexual predator.


  127. livefreeor die
    127 | November 9, 2012 10:40 am

    @ Rodan:
    Definitely. Let the entertainment industry pay more. Don’t buy their “products” either.

    We just had an opportunity to get a very low hotel rate near Disney for a conference my husband is attending. I told him, “Why would I give my money to them and ABCNEWS?” We’re not going. The kids are disappointed but understand why.


  128. livefreeor die
    128 | November 9, 2012 10:42 am

    @ Rodan:
    You can subscribe to Glenn Beck’s new tv station. He’s trying to start up a 60 minutes type show and a daily show about the craziness going on in the Middle East.


  129. 129 | November 9, 2012 10:42 am

    @ darkwords:

    I wonder how much “Romneycare” played a roll, as well as his Mormon faith. I know that at Free Republic, even though people were pleading with hard right conservatives, they did not want Romney and were refusing to vote for him. The site was very very anti-Romney during the primary.


  130. 130 | November 9, 2012 10:42 am

    darkwords wrote:

    I’d like to see the long list of people who voted for McCain and didn’t vote for Romney? Are they all dead?

    Many of them are dead because the GOP is not replenishing our ranks. Also the drop off was in deep Blue states and Red states where the election didn’t matter.


  131. bluliner10
    131 | November 9, 2012 10:45 am

    @ bluliner10:
    Who has a war on women again?


  132. 132 | November 9, 2012 10:45 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ darkwords:

    I wonder how much “Romneycare” played a roll, as well as his Mormon faith. I know that at Free Republic, even though people were pleading with hard right conservatives, they did not want Romney and were refusing to vote for him. The site was very very anti-Romney during the primary.

    Gawd these people piss me off! The concept of “half a loaf is better than nothing” is not a difficult concept to grasp. Geez.


  133. 133 | November 9, 2012 10:45 am

    @ livefreeor die:

    I don’t understand why Beck doesn’t do what Gore did and sell his product to the cable and satellite networks instead of making it subscription. I know he’s on Dish Network -- why not Comcast or DirecTV? Certainly those two could afford Beck more than the Dish guys.


  134. bluliner10
    134 | November 9, 2012 10:46 am

    @ Rodan:
    I am good with that A Court-Jester fee.


  135. 135 | November 9, 2012 10:47 am

    livefreeor die wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    You can subscribe to Glenn Beck’s new tv station. He’s trying to start up a 60 minutes type show and a daily show about the craziness going on in the Middle East.

    Personally, I’ve absolutely no use for Glenn Beck. But that’s just me.


  136. lobo91
    136 | November 9, 2012 10:47 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Storagemanager:

    I am not sure, but when I saw this earlier this week at “Duffel Blog” someone commented that it was satire. The truly sad thing is, considering Obama’s need to suppress the military vote, I’d have no trouble believing the story to be true.

    It IS satire. “Duffel Blog” is a satire website


  137. 137 | November 9, 2012 10:51 am

    @ Rodan:

    In one of Gingrich’s lectures, he contended that “a civilization can be lost in one generation” and one lost, it cannot be regained.

    Prescient.


  138. livefreeor die
    138 | November 9, 2012 10:52 am

    Does anyone know of charities specifically going to Staten Island? Our new approach to charity (we do alot and give alot) is that we give to charities that promote self sufficiency by teaching skills and encouraging education (i.e., There’s a local program which provides a lot to teenage moms but to be in it they must take parenting classes, do their homework at the charity after school, complete high school, and take job skills classes.) I also like Habitat for Humanity (even with the Carter connection) because it requires the family getting the home to put in a lot of their own sweat equity.

    I’ve also been thinking that as conservatives do more for charity than libs, we inadvertently end up ennabling liberal policies. Alot of the charities we support take the edge off of the downside of a government supported lifestyle. Then the people benefitting from government largesse think it was the Democratic party that was looking out for them. We’re still promoted as the bad guys.

    All the people in NJ who voted for Obama-do they realize that almost everything they currently have received has come from private charity/donations? No, they credit Bammy.

    I’m struggling with these ideas as a Christian. I’m thinking, however, that I can still do as much good through giving but I can be more specific to whom I give it.


  139. 139 | November 9, 2012 10:52 am

    @ MacDuff:

    Yes. They are all about teaching the GOP a lesson about their RINO nominees. I get that -- but to put your own personal needs above what would be good for the country is selfishness to the extreme. Romney wasn’t my first choice -- Rick Perry was; however, Romney was the only alternative to four more years of a Marxist asshole.

    I did a send off at Freep (won’t go back again) telling the high and mighty that “sending a message” doesn’t usually work out well. Witness 12 arrogant shithead jurors in L.A. who “sent a nessage” to the LAPD by lettig a monster walk free after slaughtering his wife. (I always wondered if after the civil trial, when it was proved that he indeed DID own those “ugly ass shoes” they were able to live with themselves -- my guess is some of them didn’t).


  140. 140 | November 9, 2012 10:53 am

    @ MacDuff:

    I’ll tell you what we need -- we need a candidate with Romney’s clean background and success and Newt’s fighting spirit.


  141. livefreeor die
    141 | November 9, 2012 10:54 am

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Maybe we should run OJ.


  142. 142 | November 9, 2012 10:56 am

    @ livefreeor die:

    Of course, we’d need to break his ass out of jail first.


  143. livefreeor die
    143 | November 9, 2012 10:57 am

    @ Carolina Girl:
    Hey, we break him out and then say it never happened. Any records of it were forged!


  144. lobo91
    144 | November 9, 2012 11:01 am

    @ Storagemanager:

    This is a fake story. It originally appeared at a site called Duffel Blog, which is a satire site.

    It’s no more real than a story from The Onion.


  145. Speranza
    145 | November 9, 2012 11:04 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    I’ll tell you what we need — we need a candidate with Romney’s clean background and success and Newt’s fighting spirit.

    We need to stay far away from the issue of abortion. Go pure 10th amendment on it.


  146. 146 | November 9, 2012 11:05 am

    @ MacDuff:

    he was right.


  147. 147 | November 9, 2012 11:06 am

    @ livefreeor die:

    We need more of that.


  148. 148 | November 9, 2012 11:07 am

    @ Speranza:

    That issue cost us the votes of single women. We can thank Santorum, Akins and Murdoch for giving the Democrats ammo.


  149. 149 | November 9, 2012 11:09 am

    livefreeor die wrote:

    All the people in NJ who voted for Obama-do they realize that almost everything they currently have received has come from private charity/donations? No, they credit Bammy.

    I’m struggling with these ideas as a Christian. I’m thinking, however, that I can still do as much good through giving but I can be more specific to whom I give it.

    We should be charitable to, and concerned for anyone devastated by any catastrophe, irrespective of their politics. When Manhattan was devastated by 9/11 attack, I didn’t even consider of the politics of those who populate Manhattan and when George W. Bush spoke while standing on the rubble, I don’t think Manhattanites really considered his.

    To do otherwise…is unwise. That’s just my two cents.


  150. RIX
    150 | November 9, 2012 11:15 am

    @ MacDuff:
    I don’t think that Abraham Lincoln or Reagan
    would have defeated Obama.
    He has successfully tapped into peoples envy & their grudges.
    He made it acceptable to buy into Marxist redistribution principals.
    We have an incredible group of angry people who resent anybody
    who has anything.
    How to change that?


  151. 151 | November 9, 2012 11:17 am

    New thread.


  152. livefreeor die
    152 | November 9, 2012 11:21 am

    @ MacDuff:
    Good points. Like I said, I’m really struggling with this. Separating it by catastrophes versus choosing a life time on the dole helps alot.


  153. 153 | November 9, 2012 11:21 am

    As an aside to this conversation, people like Greg Gutfeld and Steven Crowder should be the face of the new conservatism -- they’re what Rush Limbaugh was in the 90s.

    By the way, Gutfeld has a book coming out next week; “The Joy of Hate”. Mark my words, by this time next year, Greg Gutfeld will be a household name.


  154. Speranza
    154 | November 9, 2012 11:21 am

    RIX wrote:

    I don’t think that Abraham Lincoln or Reagan
    would have defeated Obama.

    I absolutely agree. Reagan’s America is rapidly disappearing as has Eisenhower’s America.


  155. Speranza
    155 | November 9, 2012 11:22 am

    @ RIX:
    He has lowered peoples expectations. The new norm is that an unemployment rate in the high 7% is acceptable.


  156. Speranza
    156 | November 9, 2012 11:23 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    That issue cost us the votes of single women. We can thank Santorum, Akins and Murdoch for giving the Democrats ammo.

    It is not a winning issue for us -- sorry but that is just a fact. The Democrats use it as a wedge issue.


  157. 157 | November 9, 2012 11:27 am

    @ RIX:

    Yep, Obama is a product and his message is irrelevant because Obama, himself, IS the message. See my #121.


  158. RIX
    158 | November 9, 2012 11:28 am

    Speranza wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    I don’t think that Abraham Lincoln or Reagan
    would have defeated Obama.

    I absolutely agree. Reagan’s America is rapidly disappearing as has Eisenhower’s America.

    And that is the sad truth. This is like a nonviolent Bolshevik Revolution,


  159. RIX
    159 | November 9, 2012 11:30 am

    Speranza wrote:

    @ RIX:

    He has lowered peoples expectations. The new norm is that an unemployment rate in the high 7% is

    acceptable.

    And he gets away with saying that things would be worse
    without his heroic effort.
    That’s nonsense, but people want to believe.


  160. 160 | November 9, 2012 11:37 am

    @ RIX:

    The funny thing is, I don’t exactly remember 2007/2008 as being a time when Americans roamed a post-apocalyptic landscape in a search for basic sustenance. We had a recession, but depression or ever near depression? No, I don’t think so.

    Personally, I don’t think it was even close to the late 70s. Making the past appear far worse than it really was is a cynically clever way of making the present feel somewhat better.


  161. RIX
    161 | November 9, 2012 11:41 am

    @ MacDuff:
    It is a form a brainwashing.


  162. bluliner10
    162 | November 9, 2012 1:00 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ MacDuff:
    It is a form a brainwashing.

    Like the media not seeing the homeless over the last 4 years?


  163. 163 | November 9, 2012 10:59 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    rain of lead wrote:
    @ Carolina Girl:
    no,no
    I meant when someone draws unemployment benefits
    how much do they get as a % of theit reg income
    I don’t think they get the full amount equal to what
    they were earning, do they

    No, it’s about 45%.

    But there is a very low ceiling, so if they had been high income before losing their jobs, they still don’t get much.

    It also varies from state to state.


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