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iPad Gag OOT

by Macker ( 67 Comments › )
Filed under Entertainment, OOT, Open thread, Technology at November 11th, 2012 - 10:00 pm

This, courtesy of Conan O’Brien:

What a way to segue into the Overnight Open Thread!

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  1. lobo91
    1 | November 11, 2012 10:06 pm

    I’m just glad Apple doesn’t make guns.


  2. lobo91
    2 | November 11, 2012 10:08 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Although I suppose it would be worse if Microsoft made guns.

    You’d be in the middle of a gunfight and your gun would quit working until you updated Flash or Java.


  3. 3 | November 11, 2012 10:16 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’m just glad Apple doesn’t make guns.

    They’d have a touch-screen interface and cost three times as much. As would the ammo.

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Although I suppose it would be worse if Microsoft made guns.
    You’d be in the middle of a gunfight and your gun would quit working until you updated Flash or Java.

    Yup.

    And if the update didn’t work, you’d have to rebuild the whole system.


  4. Dolphin
    4 | November 11, 2012 10:17 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Haha!

    Since this is a semi geek thread -- my TiVo has started spontaneously rebooting. Did it maybe four times yesterday and at least twice today. Google search says possible HD failure. Another option is to remove power for 6 hours. Will probably try the power thing tomorrow before I leave for work. Anyone replace a HD in their TiVo? It is a directv TiVo branded. Series 2 100 (probably almost 10 years old). What kind of HD does it have? Sata or ide? Or something else?


  5. 5 | November 11, 2012 10:18 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Haha!
    Since this is a semi geek thread — my TiVo has started spontaneously rebooting. Did it maybe four times yesterday and at least twice today. Google search says possible HD failure. Another option is to remove power for 6 hours. Will probably try the power thing tomorrow before I leave for work. Anyone replace a HD in their TiVo? It is a directv TiVo branded. Series 2 100 (probably almost 10 years old). What kind of HD does it have? Sata or ide? Or something else?

    Wouldn’t it be cheaper to get a new one?


  6. 6 | November 11, 2012 10:20 pm

    The ticker from The Religion of Peace that tracks Islamic terror attacks is creeping up to 20K. :(


  7. lobo91
    7 | November 11, 2012 10:20 pm

    @ Dolphin:

    No clue. I have a satellite receiver with a built-in DVR. The HD crashed in it once, but they swapped out the entire unit.


  8. Dolphin
    8 | November 11, 2012 10:22 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    Very possible, we have old TV’s and no HD, I am thinking that maybe direct would replace it because of that. Haven’t called them. Will try unplugging tomorrow and see what happens.


  9. Dolphin
    9 | November 11, 2012 10:24 pm

    @ lobo91:
    That is what I have, it just happens to be a TiVo brand. The dvr in the den is directv’s own (non TiVo branded).


  10. 10 | November 11, 2012 10:25 pm

    Aging hardware sometimes just goes bad, even the stuff that doesn’t have moving parts such as a hard disk drive or DVD.

    Our old wifi all of a sudden decided to let just one of us use the system at a time, and it wouldn’t let my husband’s laptop talk to the printer (though mine still could). We picked up a new one on sale and just dumped the old one. Sometimes electric charges from a storm make them go bad, or the heat of operating them eventually causes the parts to degrade.


  11. lobo91
    11 | November 11, 2012 10:33 pm

    Meanwhile, I’m watching Rock of Ages on BluRay. A musical about the days when CDs were cutting edge technology.

    Alec Baldwin was truly awful in this movie, BTW.


  12. 12 | November 11, 2012 10:40 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Meanwhile, I’m watching Rock of Ages on BluRay. A musical about the days when CDs were cutting edge technology.
    Alec Baldwin was truly awful in this movie, BTW.

    I’m watching Da Bears. Houston 10 Chicago 3.

    Though I’m less of a fan than I was before Lovie Smith told people to vote for Obama because he’s black.


  13. 13 | November 11, 2012 10:42 pm

    Bears got a FG so now it’s 10-6 Houston.

    They can’t seem to catch a break today. Penalties and decisions seem to be going against them. Same w/ turnovers and time of possession.

    Cutler got a concussion. :(


  14. Dolphin
    14 | November 11, 2012 10:44 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    Yes, wifi routers are goofy when they start going bad. I have a brand new “spare” I got really cheap a few years ago. Network guru at work told me that you really can’t even trouble shoot them. They can last 3-10 years, but one the start having issues, just replace it.


  15. lobo91
    15 | November 11, 2012 10:46 pm

    @ Dolphin:

    I don’t know how many of them I’ve gone through.

    Price or brand doesn’t seem to matter much, either.


  16. 16 | November 11, 2012 10:47 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    Yes, wifi routers are goofy when they start going bad. I have a brand new “spare” I got really cheap a few years ago. Network guru at work told me that you really can’t even trouble shoot them. They can last 3-10 years, but one the start having issues, just replace it.

    I also had a Cat 6 ethernet cable go bad (that I’d been using when the wifi didn’t work).

    Turns out some critter of the quadrupedal persuasion had left some tiny teeth marks in the connectors.

    I had stored the thing out of reach of the cats. My husband thinks rodents got to it because the cats couldn’t go up there.


  17. Dolphin
    17 | November 11, 2012 10:48 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    Very good reason to root for the Texans!

    :)


  18. Dolphin
    18 | November 11, 2012 10:52 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    My former boss (he retired) has house rabbits, he was replacing all corded items almost weekly -- lol. Mice, cat5 cables, phone lines, power cords, etc.


  19. 19 | November 11, 2012 10:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Dolphin:
    I don’t know how many of them I’ve gone through.
    Price or brand doesn’t seem to matter much, either.

    Temperature variations (high heat, freezing), dampness, electrical surges, and shock/bumping are the enemies of electronic devices.

    Antennas on those things get loosened or broken easily.

    Also, whenever two devices (such as your modem and your wifi) are cabled together, either device that malfunctions could cause the other one to fail too.


  20. lobo91
    20 | November 11, 2012 10:55 pm

    @ Dolphin:

    My ex’s cat chews on stuff. Sometimes he just bites hole in papers. Looks like someone removed staples from it.

    Fortunately, Leia isn’t a chewer.


  21. 21 | November 11, 2012 10:56 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    My former boss (he retired) has house rabbits, he was replacing all corded items almost weekly — lol. Mice, cat5 cables, phone lines, power cords, etc.

    That costs a ton of money. He should dedicate one room to his electronics and declare it an animal-free zone!


  22. 22 | November 11, 2012 10:58 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Dolphin:
    My ex’s cat chews on stuff. Sometimes he just bites hole in papers. Looks like someone removed staples from it.
    Fortunately, Leia isn’t a chewer.

    That’s good.

    Chewing on cords can lead to a shocking experience. The animal can end up getting a real charge out if it. Ouch!

    When I lived in Chicago, squirrels constantly climbed the phone poles and chewed the insulation off the wires. Then when it got damp we’d get NO phone service at all.


  23. 23 | November 11, 2012 10:59 pm

    Dolphin wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    Very good reason to root for the Texans!

    If Texas goes ahead with its plans for secession we’ll be moving there for sure! :)


  24. lobo91
    24 | November 11, 2012 11:06 pm

    One of these days, Leia’s going to realize that staring at me to get my attention doesn’t work very well when I’m watching a movie downstairs.

    Black dog…dark room…


  25. lobo91
    25 | November 11, 2012 11:33 pm

    Speaking of Black Dog…


  26. lobo91
    26 | November 11, 2012 11:34 pm

    Tom Cruise missed his calling as an ’80s hair band frontman.

    He’s even a decent singer, surprisingly enough.


  27. 27 | November 11, 2012 11:39 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    One of these days, Leia’s going to realize that staring at me to get my attention doesn’t work very well when I’m watching a movie downstairs.
    Black dog…dark room…

    El Gato doesn’t bother with staring. When I’m asleep, he wakes me up by sticking his paws in my face. He manages it even when I have my arms/hands or bed covers over my face. When I’m awake and on the computer, he gets in front of the screen or near the keyboard.

    When we used to have an old CRT monitor, he would sit on top of it and wag his tail in front of the screen.


  28. lobo91
    28 | November 11, 2012 11:50 pm


  29. lobo91
    29 | November 12, 2012 12:06 am

    Hmm…while Tom Cruise may be a decent singer, Alec Baldwin is not.


  30. 30 | November 12, 2012 12:10 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Meanwhile, I’m watching Rock of Ages on BluRay. A musical about the days when CDs were cutting edge technology.

    Alec Baldwin was truly awful in this movie, BTW.

    And its one of his best movies evah!


  31. lobo91
    31 | November 12, 2012 12:13 am

    JeremyR wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Meanwhile, I’m watching Rock of Ages on BluRay. A musical about the days when CDs were cutting edge technology.

    Alec Baldwin was truly awful in this movie, BTW.

    And its one of his best movies evah!

    No, it’s really not. The monkey is better.


  32. 32 | November 12, 2012 12:15 am

    @ lobo91:
    To quote from “Singing in the Rain”, he can’t sing can’t dance and can’t act, a real triple threat.


  33. 33 | November 12, 2012 12:18 am

    @ lobo91:

    I am NOT an Alec Baldwin fan. Heck, I can’t stand about 90% of the freaks who polute Hollywood. err populate.


  34. lobo91
    34 | November 12, 2012 12:21 am

    JeremyR wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    I am NOT an Alec Baldwin fan. Heck, I can’t stand about 90% of the freaks who polute Hollywood. err populate.

    I’m not a Tom Cruise fan, but he was actually good in this movie.

    Of course, it could have been typecasting. He does know how to be a self-absorbed star.


  35. lobo91
    35 | November 12, 2012 12:22 am

    Best line in the movie:

    Sherrie and Drew discussing who’s fallen further:

    Sherrie Christian: I’m a stripper at the Venus Club.
    Drew Boley: I’m in a boy band.
    [long pause]
    Sherrie Christian: You win.


  36. Guggi
    36 | November 12, 2012 12:44 am

    Congress’ questions for Petraeus will have to wait

    Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have questions for former CIA Director David H. Petraeus about the Sept. 11 terrorist attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, his recently disclosed extramarital affair and other issues — but their queries will have to wait for a later date.

    Acting CIA Director Michael Morrell will testify Thursday in closed-door hearings of the Senate and House intelligence committees instead of Mr. Petraeus, who resigned abruptly last week after admitting he had an extramarital affair.

    Congressional leaders said they want to know when the FBI uncovered Mr. Petraeus‘ affair with his biographer, Paula Broadwell, during its investigation of threatening emails to a woman close to the former CIA chief, whether national security was compromised, and why the FBI didn’t notify Congress sooner about the affair.

    “The FBI has briefed me now. I actually wish we had been briefed a little bit earlier. … We received no advanced notice. It was like a lightning bolt,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat and chairwoman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, told “Fox News Sunday.”

    A senior U.S. military official identified the second woman as Jill Kelley, 37, who lives in Tampa, Fla., and serves as the State Department’s liaison to the military’s Joint Special Operations Command, where work on secret drone missions and other duties are performed, The Associated Press reported.

    The military official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to discuss the investigation publicly, said Mrs. Kelley received harassing emails from Mrs. Broadwell, which led the FBI to examine her email account and eventually discover her relationship with Mr. Petraeus.

    (…)


  37. Guggi
    37 | November 12, 2012 1:02 am

    This alone shows how much they have to hide:

    House asks Clinton to testify on Benghazi, but she declines due to scheduling conflict


  38. lobo91
    38 | November 12, 2012 1:09 am

    Guggi wrote:

    This alone shows how much they have to hide:

    House asks Clinton to testify on Benghazi, but she declines due to scheduling conflict

    Actually, it shows how much contempt they have for the American people.


  39. Guggi
    39 | November 12, 2012 1:22 am

    This is insane:

    6,125 Proposed Regulations and Notifications Posted in Last 90 Days--Average 68 per Day

    It’s Friday morning, and so far today, the Obama administration has posted 165 new regulations and notifications on its reguations.gov website.

    In the past 90 days, it has posted 6,125 regulations and notices – an average of 68 a day.

    The website allows visitors to find and comment on proposed regulations and related documents published by the U.S. federal government. “Help improve Federal regulations by submitting your comments,” the website says.


  40. Guggi
    40 | November 12, 2012 1:23 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    Actually, it shows how much contempt they have for the American people.

    Would the word ‘autocratic’ fit ?


  41. lobo91
    41 | November 12, 2012 1:27 am

    @ Guggi:

    The website allows visitors to find and comment on proposed regulations and related documents published by the U.S. federal government. “Help improve Federal regulations by submitting your comments,” the website says.

    As if anyone could possibly digest 68 new proposed regulations a day.

    The bureaucrats are in charge.


  42. lobo91
    42 | November 12, 2012 1:27 am

    Guggi wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    Actually, it shows how much contempt they have for the American people.

    Would the word ‘autocratic’ fit ?

    Absolutely.


  43. Guggi
    43 | November 12, 2012 1:37 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    The bureaucrats are in charge.

    not much difference here with the EU. Thousands and thousand new regulations and laws every year.

    Have to run, bbl.


  44. lobo91
    44 | November 12, 2012 1:41 am

    @ Guggi:

    not much difference here with the EU. Thousands and thousand new regulations and laws every year.

    That is the difference.

    Our government is supposed to be based on “the consent of the governed.”


  45. 45 | November 12, 2012 2:09 am

    There’s a good satire piece in that Apple or Microsoft making guns idea.


  46. lobo91
    46 | November 12, 2012 2:21 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    There’s a good satire piece in that Apple or Microsoft making guns idea.

    It’s really amazing that we put up with the crap we do from computers. We don’t accept it from anything else.

    If I turned on my coffee maker tomorrow morning and it told me it had to update Flash Player before making my coffee, I’d throw it in the trash.

    And you don’t buy a new alarm clock every couple of years just because they have a new one.


  47. 47 | November 12, 2012 3:02 am

    Of course, Microsoft wouldn’t make the guns; only the ammunition. You’d have to get a new gun every few years because they’d increase the caliber, lengthen the case, or even make the case a different shape. And it would all be non-reloadable so you couldn’t just keep using the old stuff. Not to mention the ammo would only work in one specific gun, and you couldn’t use it in even an apparently identical but different gun.

    I bitch, I bitch… I get about 6 years out of a laptop, on average. But I’m still running XP Pro, as are most businesses I have contact with. The wife’s laptop has some more “advanced” MS OS than that, and it drives you insane to even attempt to mess with it. All cutesy icons rather than a straightforward drop-down menu.

    But then, most of my furniture is basically 18th century design, and two of my guns are 19th century designs, albeit in modern calibers. Just old fashioned, I guess. My pocket knife is a Case XX Barlow, not one of the modern folders. Just something inherently more satisfying about it.


  48. Guggi
    48 | November 12, 2012 3:41 am

    Now they go after the FBI

    Lawmakers Question F.B.I. Handling of Petraeus Affair


  49. Guggi
    50 | November 12, 2012 4:12 am

    Now this is interesting from the link above:

    Ms. Kelley and her husband became friends with Mr. Petraeus and his wife, Holly, when Mr. Petraeus was head of the military’s Central Command, which has its headquarters at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa. Ms. Kelley, who volunteers to help injured service members and military families at MacDill, has been photographed with the Petraeuses at social events in Tampa.

    What is the job of Mrs. Petraeus ?

    Last year, Petraeus was appointed by Elizabeth Warren, founder of the federal Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, to head the agency’s Office of Servicemember Affairs. Her job is to educate military consumers; to monitor their consumer complaints; and to get other government agencies involved in the cause. While these powers are limited, Petraeus has a bully pulpit and, she says, “a name people recognize. If I can use that, I’m prepared to do so.”

    Her credibility stems from her consumer advocacy — she headed the Better Business Bureau’s unit for the military — and her willingness to speak up for military families.

    (…)
    Critics say veterans and servicemembers could be adequately served by improving the many programs already offered by the Defense Department and private non-profit groups.

    Mark Calabria is an analyst at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank in Washington. He calls the creation of the Office of Servicemember Affairs, and Petraeus’ appointment, “a cynical ploy” by Democrats to make it hard for Republicans to oppose the parent CFPB. “The administration was just trying to buy support,” he says, by hiring a magic name.

    (…)

    “The administration was just trying to buy support,”

    …and it worked perfectly.


  50. Guggi
    51 | November 12, 2012 5:28 am

    Kelley alerted the FBI about the emails that appeared to be an attempt to blackmail Petraeus, which started the investigation, said the sources.

    In addition, the threatening emails might not have come from biographer Paula Broadwell, as widely reported.


  51. 52 | November 12, 2012 5:40 am

    Good morning. Been a busy weekend and I may have two or three posts only this week. Starting with this one.


  52. Guggi
    53 | November 12, 2012 7:05 am

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    this one.

    I get only: “this phot/video is currently unavailable”


  53. 54 | November 12, 2012 7:31 am

    @ PaladinPhil:
    @ Guggi:

    Is Flickr down?


  54. 55 | November 12, 2012 7:46 am

    1389AD wrote:

    even the stuff that doesn’t have moving parts such as a hard disk drive or DVD.

    Not to be too picky, but both a hard disk and a DVD have moving parts. Lots of them. Justbecause you don’t see them doesn’t mean they aren’t there. If you ant to get away from moving parts you have to go with somethig solid state like, Flash RAM or the like. You used to could buy solid state hard drives, but they were expensive. I don’ tknow if they still make them or not. They really weren’t cost effective. It is better to mirror two inexpensive 1TB drives than it is to buy a solid state drive. If you have a HD crash, then, it is just an annoyance. I have a HD giving me problems on my work computer, but so far the Mirror has rebuilt every time I’ve had it blue screen. As long as it rebuilds, I’m not going to mess with the Help Desk. The pain of rebuilding the system is less than the pain od dealing with the help desk. If it becomes too annoying, then I’ll call the Help Desk and get in line to have the drive replaced.


  55. 57 | November 12, 2012 8:10 am

    @ Guggi:

    If Obama would allow it, we could band together with Canada and Mexico and have it so that we didn’t have to rely on imports from the Middle East. That would trouble the Ummah, and Obama is all about not troubling the Ummah.


  56. Guggi
    58 | November 12, 2012 8:12 am

    Looking at Tuesday’s election results, it’s clear the United States has morphed into five distinct political nations. In political terms there are two solid blue nations, perched on opposite coasts, that have formed a large and powerful bloc. Opposing them are two almost equally red countries, which include the historic Confederacy as well as the vast open reaches between the Texas panhandle and the Canadian border. Between these two largely immovable blocs stands the fifth nation – essentially the Great Lakes industrial heartland. By winning this territory – which could be called “Bailout Nation” – President Barack Obama built a winning coalition. Though this part of the country has suffered economic decline and demographic stagnation for decades, it is now emerging, as former President George W. Bush would put it, as “the decider” of America’s political fate


  57. Guggi
    59 | November 12, 2012 8:13 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    If Obama would allow it, we could band together with Canada and Mexico and have it so that we didn’t have to rely on imports from the Middle East. That would trouble the Ummah, and Obama is all about not troubling the Ummah.

    There is already a call for:

    Some in the U.S. are already questioning the reasons for keeping U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf. “It’s insane that we have the Fifth Fleet of the U.S. Navy tied up there to protect oil that ends up in China and Europe,” T. Boone Pickens, chief executive of energy-focused hedge fund BP Capital Management, was quoted as saying last week in U.S. magazine Parade


  58. 60 | November 12, 2012 8:15 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Guggi:

    If Obama would allow it, we could band together with Canada and Mexico and have it so that we didn’t have to rely on imports from the Middle East. That would trouble the Ummah, and Obama is all about not troubling the Ummah.

    Indeed, “North American energy independence” was one of Romney’s points, but the American people would have none of it.


  59. 62 | November 12, 2012 8:18 am

    @ Guggi:
    @ Macker:

    My mistake. A lightroom plugin I was using screwed up my previous uploads. My fault really. Things should be okay now. :p


  60. 63 | November 12, 2012 8:24 am

    @ Guggi:

    I think one of the consequences of Tuesday’s election will be a more isolationist America. Why should we expend our blood and treasure defending the sea lanes for Europe? A Europe that hates and resents us. Let France and Germany protect their oil supply. We need to make ourselves independent of that oil. We can do that, but I doubt seriously that Obama will allow that. His policy has been from the beginning to keep us dependent on foreign oil. Thus his massive investment in Brazillian oil, promising them that we’ll be their best customer (at least they are in the Western Hemisphere), while denying our own industry the resources to supply us from domestic sources. It is maddening, but that is the path 51 million of our fellow Citizens have chosen for us. It is another link in the chain of our doom, but when we go down, the world goes with us.


  61. Guggi
    64 | November 12, 2012 8:37 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The problem is, that becoming more isolated will cost you power and gives other nations the opportunity to raise to power. I doubt it will be Europe but certainly China.


  62. 65 | November 12, 2012 8:46 am

    Guggi wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:

    The problem is, that becoming more isolated will cost you power and gives other nations the opportunity to raise to power. I doubt it will be Europe but certainly China.

    Well said. Nature abhors a vacuum and there are plenty of countries that would be happy to fill it.


  63. 66 | November 12, 2012 9:12 am

    @ Guggi:

    That is true, but it is bound to happen. Obama is slashing the size of our Navy. We won’t have the ships to keep the shipping lanes free for the passage of all. And really why should we do this? Europe has benefitted from American power for almost 100 years, and we get nothing but resentment and outright hatred for it. Let France and Germany look to securing the transport of their oil through the Persian Gulf. There’s a big ocean between us and China’s aggression. We can defend our shores without projecting power around the world. I am not saying that this is the method I prefer, but I am taking a realistic look at what Obama is going to do for this country, and making my assessments on that. We’ll be $21 trillion in debt by 2016. We won’t be able to afford our shrunken navy. Obama is trying to do to us what we did to the Soviet Union in the 1980s. Treason? Damned straight it is treason, but who’s going to stop it? The Democrats in the Senate want this. They want to thorow the country off the fiscal cliff if they can blame the Republicans for doing so. Obama’s price for not wrecking the economy is raising taxes on small businesses, which will also wreck the economy.

    In short, we will shrink in power because that is the course Obama wants for this nation. There is nothing that I can do about it. All the America haters in the world will get what they want. And the rest of the world will go to Hell because of it. Things will be back to the way they were in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries. The world will be based on Power, and Europe will be one of th efirst to fall to the new order.


  64. 67 | November 12, 2012 11:05 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    1389AD wrote:
    even the stuff that doesn’t have moving parts such as a hard disk drive or DVD.
    Not to be too picky, but both a hard disk and a DVD have moving parts. Lots of them. Justbecause you don’t see them doesn’t mean they aren’t there. If you ant to get away from moving parts you have to go with somethig solid state like, Flash RAM or the like. You used to could buy solid state hard drives, but they were expensive. I don’ tknow if they still make them or not. They really weren’t cost effective. It is better to mirror two inexpensive 1TB drives than it is to buy a solid state drive. If you have a HD crash, then, it is just an annoyance. I have a HD giving me problems on my work computer, but so far the Mirror has rebuilt every time I’ve had it blue screen. As long as it rebuilds, I’m not going to mess with the Help Desk. The pain of rebuilding the system is less than the pain od dealing with the help desk. If it becomes too annoying, then I’ll call the Help Desk and get in line to have the drive replaced.

    Sorry about sounding ambiguous. I meant that the HD and DVD are (or contain) moving parts; I was referring to devices that don’t have moving parts are those that do not have things like HDs or DVDs in them, such as WiFi routers, tablet computers, modems, and the like.


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