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Requiem for the Mainstream Media, All hail the New Media.

by Rodan ( 52 Comments › )
Filed under Blogmocracy, Guest Post, Media, Progressives at November 11th, 2012 - 12:09 am

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Guest Blogger: Doriangrey


The Mainstream Media is dead, it committed suicide. It did not do it on purpose, it was entirely accidental. But it most assuredly did commit suicide. The Mainstream Media would love nothing more than for you to believe that it is still alive, well, healthy and in control of your life, but that simply is not the case. It is at this very moment in time, the walking dead.

Yes, I can tell you both how and why it committed suicide. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what happened or why. When I worked in the Aerospace industry building exotic spacecraft and communications satellites we used to have a inside tongue in cheek joke about the processes we used to build spacecraft and satellites, we used to joke that, hey, it’s not that damned complicated, it’s not rocket science. The punchline of course, was that, yes, it actually was rocket science. It was just, that we did what we did every day of the week all year long. Ever hear the old adage, familiarity breeds contempt?

Well,the truth is, as in my case, you don’t actually have to be a rocket scientist to build a rocket, or spacecraft or satellite. You just have to know how to do part of the assembly process. Again in my case, it was how to do carbon-fiber lay-up and how to use various machines. Well, the same principal applies here. I don’t have to have an advanced degree in journalism or business administration to know how and why the Mainstream Media committed suicide to know how and why the Mainstream Media committed suicide.

The how and why as I said is really rather simple. Once upon a time, in a world not all that long ago or far away their was only one way to get news or information on what was going on in the world outside of your immediate vision. That was to turn to the Mainstream Media, whether it be newspapers, magazines, radio or television. That was how you learned what was going on outside of your immediate community.

Starting with Gutenberg and his movable type press those who compiled the news or information became the gatekeepers of information. They became by virtue of the medium they controlled, the lords of information. They made the decisions as to what information, what news, what ideas, were propagated amongst the masses. Because they made those decisions they became incredibly powerful, they shaped public opinion by controlling what people knew.

Just as familiarity breeds contempt, so power breed corruption. The greater the power, the greater the corruption. This is how the Mainstream Media committed suicide, their power led to corruption, it led to arrogance and it led to narcissism. Most importantly it led to them falling victim to the false belief that their source of power and authority was unassailable. As they grew in they grew in their arrogance and narcissism they began to believe that the power and authority they wielded was theirs by what amounted to divine right, not divine right ass in conferred by God, but as conferred by their superior intelligence and educations.

Their role as gatekeeper became their license to dictate what the average person knew or learned. They ceased to inform and began to indoctrinate, engaging in the propagation of ideological propaganda rather than the dissemination of information. Which is not to suggest that the Mainstream Media ever existed as a genuinely unbiased source of information, because it did not. The difference is that for hundreds of years those who engaged in the mass exchange of and dissemination of information did so without making any attempt to conceal their true ideological biases. They made their biases know up front and in a openly competitive market place.

Back in the early 1920′s Marxist began it’s infiltration of the American Mainstream Media. It was a slow methodical infiltration that began in academia, that influenced America’s various schools of journalism and brought with it the idea that it was the journalist’s obligation to not simple inform the general public, but to actively shape public opinion through the inclusion or exclusion of ideological based opinion and the manipulation of factual information. There are two types of lies, one is the outright lie where you knowingly and willingly present false information, the other is through omission where you knowingly and willingly omit factual information.

Well, things were going along just wonderfully for the Mainstream Media until a little noticed or understood event took place in 1874. German scientist Karl Ferdinand Braun discovered the “unilateral conduction” of crystals. With Braun’s invention of the “rectifier” which would later go on to be renamed the diode the information age was born. From the diode eventually came the very invention allowing you to read this article, the internet.

In the previous paragraphs I have described why the Mainstream Media committed suicide, now we get to the how. Braun’s invention of the diode led directly to things like the telegraph and radio communications, radio and telegraph produced something known as the teletype. The Mainstream Media grasped the importance and significance of the telegraph, teletype, radio and television nearly at once. Those things provided them an unparalleled ability to bring information from around the world to a centralized location with near real time speed for the dissemination to a public that was hungry for information.

And, just as the publishing industry had for hundreds of years prior, it continued to present them with a one way platform where they were the gatekeepers of information. They published and the general public at large had little to no avenue to dispute or question the veracity or concealed bias placed either through overt intent, or via intentional omission. As an example, New York times “Journalist” Walter Duranty,who reported on the Soviet Union between 1922 and 1932 won the highly coveted Pulitzer Prize in 1932 for his “so called” reporting. Duranty who it later was proven was a Marxist fellow traveler, or sympathizer if you will, wrote articles praising Joesph Stalin and the Soviet Marxist government, while knowingly, willfully and intentionally omitting how ruthlessly and brutally the Soviet government under Stalin treated it’s citizen. Duranty intentionally deceived by omission the American people about the fact that Joesph Stalin murdered somewhere between 30 and 50 million Soviet citizen in his quest to make the Soviet Union the world most powerful superpower.

Those who, in 1932 knew that Walter Duranty was intentionally deceiving the world were locked out of the conversation by the simple virtue of the fact that, the Mainstream Media was a one way street. The Mainstream Media presented their side on any story and that was it. What the editors decided to publish was what got published. There was no significant dialog between the general public and the gatekeepers. American writer Mark Twain once sardonically quipped, “Never pick a fight with a man who buys ink by the barrel”. It was both a stern warning and at the time an indisputable fact of life. From the 1700′s up until the end of the 20th century the men who bought their ink by the barrel were the bane and torment of King’s, Dictators and Presidents. Benjamin Franklin was a thorn in King Georges side that King George could not rid himself of just as Woodard and Bernstein proved the power of the gatekeepers ability to bring down the most powerful man on earth.

Karl Ferdinand Braun’s little invention however useful it was to the Mainstream Media was eventually to be the means by which the Mainstream Media committed suicide. With the invention of the internet something that the Mainstream Media had avoided for hundreds of years came to pass. The information exchange became a two way conversation. The gatekeepers ceased to have total control over what the general public learned. For the first time in human history the official media narrative could not only be fact checked in real time by any and everyone, but any and everyone could challenge the official media narrative. The human race found it’s voice.

In their narcissistic arrogance the Mainstream Media made and is still making every effort to retain their historical role as the sole gatekeeper of information, in short, they are and have refused to accept that they no longer have exclusive control over the narrative. In so doing, they committed suicide by refusing to change with the times. As the internet grew and continues to grow the general public’s ability to fact check and challenge the official media narrative has grown exponentially. As the general public becomes more and more aware that they are being lied to either outright through the dissemination of intentionally false information or through the intentional omission of factual information as filtered through no longer disguised or concealed ideological bias the general public simple ceases to rely on what has become an obviously corrupt Mainstream Media.

Faced with the indisputable evidence that the general public no longer considers them to be a reliable or trustworthy source of information the Mainstream Media, rather than adapt have chosen to double down on their biased dissemination of deceptive propaganda and disinformation. Grasping with all their might in an attempt to retain the power they once wielded, rather than retain that power, they push it ever further away at a constantly increasing speed. The general pubic is slowly but surely awaking to the fact that Dan Rather and “his fake but true” throbbing memo were not a exception to the rule, but in fact were the rule.

So, yes, the Mainstream Media is dead, they are the walking dead in not only the literal sense, but the figurative metaphorical zombie who desperately want’s to eat your brains sense as well. They committed suicide just like so many power crazed dictators who attempted to hold on to their subjective thrones at any cost. They committed suicide by ignoring that the times had changed and that they had lost their once iron grip on what the general public learned and knew, and with that what the general public thought.

Enter the New Media:

Like the birth of the information age when Karl Ferdinand Braun invented the diode, the internet was born in essentially obscurity. Originally invented and designed to allow physicist’s to share their research, and then as a research tool itself the internet came into existence with very little public fanfare. It started out as a collection of college and research based computers connected together for scientists. Picked up on by the military for it’s strategic value as a means of rapid dissemination of tactical information and then adopted by a general public with an insatiable hunger for technology that could both make their lives easier to manage and entertain them as well, the internet exploded with innovative idea’s all which were spawned from tools designed for research.

That’s right ladies and gentlemen, the internet is and always was designed to be the single most powerful research tool ever invented by man. More importantly, just because you can use it to buy shoes, a new computer, or even a used car. That you can facebook, twitter or blog doesn’t mean that it’s primary purpose has changed or is in any way shape of fashion altered, nor have any of those wonderful things that you can do on the internet come from anything less than, the basic research tools embedded in the structure of the internet. Facebook, twitter, blogging, online sales and even streaming video are all basic research tools. You may not think or realize that you are using them for research, but the reality is… You are.

The New Media is the inescapable evolution of information sharing and research. It’s future shape is anything but certain, but it’s continued presences is all but assured, and it’s growing influence akin to the irresistible force. What was in doubt for many years, and is the old media’s only remaining claim to legitimacy, is the New Media’s ability to financially support the individuals who engage in the physical gathering of information. In the old media these individuals were called “Reporters” or “Journalists” and they were financially supported by a combination of advertising revenue and the physical sales of printed material.

Andrew Breitbart may well have been one of if not the first true New Media reporter, just as it can hardly be doubted or questioned that Matt Drudge is the New Media’s first Managing Editor. Charles Johnson of “Little Green Footballs” (who tragically suffered some form of mental breakdown and destroyed in a Pyrrhic fire his Blog), is arguably the New Media’s first Editorial columnist. While the honor of creating the first digital Newspaper is a little more difficult to identify, one can be rather certain that Andrew Breitbart/Arianna Huffington, Markos Moulitsas Zúniga and Michelle Malkin were among the first to prove that it could be both done, and done profitably.

Is this an exhaustive listing, no of course not, it may not even be accurate as a basic time line indicator of who did what first. It serves only as a general indicator of how the internet inevitably gave birth to the New Media. All of these individuals demonstrated three simple irrefutable facts. The general public no longer put their trust in the old media, and that it was possible to not only challenge the old media’s narrative successfully, but to build a functional profitable business model on doing so and that anyone could do so. No longer was the man who purchased ink by the barrel the tyrant exclusively in charge of the information the general public had access to, and he no longer has the power to utterly and completely shut down anyone who challenges him.

When I was younger I used to read the syndicated columnists Andy Rooney and Cal Thomas on a fairly regular basis. They were not journalists or reporters in the strict sense, they offered insightful opinions on current events. It is the syndicated columnist’s of the New Media, like Michelle Malkin and Thomas Sowell, that I as a humble and insignificant Blogger, aspire to emulate for it is the Michelle Malkin’s and Thomas Sowell’s of the New Media that are the Andy Rooney’s and Cal Thomas’ of the New Media.

Yes, the old Fifth Column Treasonous Media is dead, it is the walking dead, hungry to eat your brains like a zombie, unaware even that they are dead or a plague on humanity, the Old Media is dead… Long live the New Media.

(Cross Posted at The Wilderness of Mirrors)

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52 Responses to “Requiem for the Mainstream Media, All hail the New Media.”
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  1. Fritz Katz
    1 | November 11, 2012 12:16 am

    Charles Johnson of “Little Green Footballs” (who tragically suffered some form of mental breakdown and destroyed in a Pyrrhic fire his Blog), is arguably the New Media’s first Editorial columnist.

    I don’t agree. I don’t think we can give “The Johnson” any credit for anything.


  2. darkwords
    2 | November 11, 2012 12:29 am

    Could explain the election loss. The GoP elite has never heard of Facebook or Twitter. While all the voters have.


  3. pat
    3 | November 11, 2012 12:38 am

    @ darkwords:
    One expects others to have normal intelligence. One would hardly belive that the venues you mentioned were of any significance. The Obamaphone Woman has proved that we are encouraging the mentally retarded to participate in national affairs. You may be correct. But at what price?


  4. Da_Beerfreak
    4 | November 11, 2012 12:46 am

    @ Fritz Katz:
    Full agreement with what you say about the mad king johnson. He has always been a “linker”, writing a line or two long comment on a link that was found on the Internet does not make someone a “thinker”.


  5. Lily
    5 | November 11, 2012 12:53 am

    @ darkwords:

    I don’t think that is true…there were plenty of blogs and news sites that were reporting the news. To blame the GOP and Mitt Romney on losing the election is a fallacy. For one Mitt ran on Pride in Country and fiscal responsibilty…What is wrong with that? Those are or at least use to be our core values. Even though the internet is there for you to find the truth…as the old saying goes you can force a horse to water but you can’t make him drink it. The problem is too many people still rely on the MSM for their news. Accept it and believe it especially if it fits with how they believe and apparently many Americans believed that Romney was going to throw grandma off the cliff, put black people back into slavery, you were racist if you voted for anyone but obama, ignored the horrific past 4 years and Big Bird and free abortions and free birth control were the true issues. Never mind that we are in trillions of dollars of debt, our president did NOTHTING to save Americans that were under seige for 7 or more hours and thinks this country deserves REVENGE upon it’s own citizens. No matter who ran against obama they were going to lose..Why? Because of the MSM was basically a campaign arm of obama’s re-election team, people did not want to believe the truth, and people think obama cares even when shown the facts that he doesn’t, they also believe we are still a racist country so that was another reason they voted for obama. Obama is a cultish figure…he doesn’t have to do anything the MSM does it for him, ignore out right malfeasance, out right lies, out right collusion with the enemy. So no…we have a problem in this country and it is rot from with-in. Everything goes, what is wrong is good and what is good is wrong…gay marriage is more of an issue than our soldiers getting killed by those they are training, it’s insanity. The media didn’t do it’s job. Even if it did would that have changed people’s minds…some maybe most would just say they are being racist! Who knows. All I know is there is rot in our morals in this country, lack of knowledge of what truly is going on, and downright envy, greed and jealously which obama played on day after day. This country needs help and it has to start within. Romney did his best and was rejected. Says so much about what our true morals are now..we have none.


  6. Lily
    6 | November 11, 2012 1:05 am

    Excellent write up Dorian! Nicely done.


  7. Da_Beerfreak
    7 | November 11, 2012 1:21 am

    Before Gutenberg the lords of information were primarily The Catholic Church and to a lesser degree the local Monarchs. Gutenberg’s movable type printing press set information free. For the first time in history books and pamphlets containing forbidden information could be produced at a rate that was higher than the lords of information could find, confiscate, and burn the offending material. Is unlikely that the Reformation and the Enlightenment would have been possible without Gutenberg’s printing presses producing affordable books and pamphlets that changed peoples’ thinking about the World around them. Thanks to Gutenberg information, both new and old, would spread faster than it could be suppressed by the lords of information.

    The Internet today is doing what Gutenberg’s printing presses started doing almost six-hundred years ago.


  8. Da_Beerfreak
    8 | November 11, 2012 1:38 am

    I’m shocked!! :shock:
    Google has a doodle up for Veteran’s Day!! :grin:


  9. The Osprey
    9 | November 11, 2012 2:51 am

    It’s the 47th Anniversary of UDI. “And may I suggest that wherever you may be, you too may charge your glass and toast Rhodesia”.

    The Right Honorable Prime Minister Ian Douglas Smith, “Rise O Voices of Rhodesia” and “Auld Lang Syne”


  10. The Osprey
    10 | November 11, 2012 3:05 am

    “And fond memories, of God’s country, no one can change, or take away…”


  11. The Osprey
    11 | November 11, 2012 3:17 am


  12. Moe Katz
    13 | November 11, 2012 3:31 am

    @ The Osprey:
    So you’re from Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. I’d wondered about that. It’s amazing that Mugabe hangs on….


  13. Moe Katz
    14 | November 11, 2012 3:33 am

    Plastic surgery horror of the week: Emmylou Harris is starting to look like Michael Jackson.


  14. 15 | November 11, 2012 4:03 am

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    I’m shocked!!
    Google has a doodle up for Veteran’s Day!!

    The graphic sucks, but it definitely is a “Flying Pig” moment.


  15. 16 | November 11, 2012 4:34 am

    Paul Mirengoff over at Power Line raises some interesting points regarding the “Hispanic vote.”

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/11/immigration-reform-the-hispanic-vote-and-the-path-to-citizenship.php

    I can’t say I agree with the bulk of his thinking, but it is interesting, and it’s a slightly less hysterical version of the current fashionable hand-wringing.

    If only Republicans would become Democrats, they’d do better at the polls… Great idea.

    /


  16. Moe Katz
    17 | November 11, 2012 5:00 am

    @ Mike C.:
    My Canadian two cents’ worth, if I may: I’d like to see this term “Rino” used a lot less. At one time it was taken for granted that there was a large overlap between the two parties, which also created the consensus needed to produce legislation in your political system. The concept of “Rhino” didn’t exist because no one saw anything wrong in centrist Democrats and Republicans sharing many views. Today’s landscape is hyper-polarized and the Rino epithet is a pathological symptom of that. End of rant from uppity furriner.


  17. 18 | November 11, 2012 5:59 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    The one problem with that is that there are no longer any centrist Democrats. The closest thing to a centrist Democrat today is the nominally Republical Governor of NJ -- at least he has been conservative on one (and only one) narrow issue. Hell, I’m old enough to remember Democrats that would today be classified as extremist right-wing Republicans, but they’re all long gone now. “Reaching across the aisle” now means cutting a deal (i.e., agreeing to do it their way) with hard-core socialists, at best. And that is the direction the bulk of the pundit class recommends the Republican party moves. Nothing really new there, by the way -- it’s been a constant recommendation since Reagan left office. Fuck that. And fuck the idea of compromising principles to futilely chase down specific voting blocks. If Mitt Romney wasn’t centrist enough, then we’ve come to the last stand, IMHO.

    “If we are to die, we are enough to do our country loss.”

    And you can forget that 3rd party crap, too. For the next who knows how many election cycles, that merely garauntees a Democratic party win. Wish it wasn’t so, but that’s just reality.


  18. Moe Katz
    19 | November 11, 2012 6:12 am

    Sometimes it seems to me that a Rino is not equivalent to a modern Democrat, but more of a throwback to what a Democrat was decades ago. Mitt Romney, I agree, was centrist for the most part, but he was disliked for that by a lot of Republicans.

    Back to bed…


  19. Guggi
    20 | November 11, 2012 6:37 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    If only Republicans would become Democrats, they’d do better at the polls… Great idea.
    /

    Yep, this thinking drives me crazy.


  20. Guggi
    21 | November 11, 2012 6:41 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    And you can forget that 3rd party crap, too. For the next who knows how many election cycles, that merely garauntees a Democratic party win. Wish it wasn’t so, but that’s just reality.

    Couldn’t concur more with you. We make our experiences with this crap in Europe. Literally you can’t vote them out anymore.


  21. 22 | November 11, 2012 7:22 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    Come to think of it, CDN$.02 is now worth more than US$.02….


  22. John Difool
    23 | November 11, 2012 8:20 am

    When Charles Johnson finds out Obamacare isn’t free & he’ll have to shell out $3500 to $4500 a year out of his own pocket & that taxes will soon shoot up to well over $2500 more a year for the middle class I expect we’ll see a “Why I Sharted Ways With The Left Post”.

    This guy is a greedy, shameless, selfish self-promoter & I don’t see him making any sacrifices for the greater good & changing his lifestyle one bit.


  23. John Difool
    24 | November 11, 2012 8:23 am

    @ Guggi:

    Guggi as far as most of the German citizenry rooting for Obama that you touched on numerous times, I ran across this interesting article:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/commentary-on-why-germans-want-america-s-downfall-a-866153.html

    It’s not so much most of the German public is rooting for Obama, it’s just that most of them on the right & left are rooting for our demise & they know Obama is the best man for the job.

    Your take?


  24. coldwarrior
    25 | November 11, 2012 8:27 am

    Rep. Peter King reiterated Sunday that General David Petraeus, who stepped down as head of the CIA following revelations of an extramarital affair, will very soon have to answer congressional questions about the Obama administration’s handling of the Sept. 11 terror attack in Benghazi, Libya.


  25. 26 | November 11, 2012 8:28 am

    @ John Difool:

    I’m fine with that. America will promise NEVER to bail Europe out of the mess she has gotten herself into ever again. That means all foreign aid to Europe halts now. No American money to bail out Greece again. And not a drop of American blood to save you from Shari’ia Hell in Eurabia. I think we should pull out all of our bases in Europe, too. Let Europe go her onw way.


  26. John Difool
    27 | November 11, 2012 8:33 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    I’m fine with that. America will promise NEVER to bail Europe out of the mess she has gotten herself into ever again. That means all foreign aid to Europe halts now. No American money to bail out Greece again. And not a drop of American blood to save you from Shari’ia Hell in Eurabia. I think we should pull out all of our bases in Europe, too. Let Europe go her onw way.

    I’m thinking half of the folks over are still have sour grapes about the two back-to-back World War championships last century.

    The other half are like that jealous neighbor who is constantly green with envy over your home, your vehicles & that pool you had put in & then cheers relentlessly behind closed doors as soon as your house goes into foreclosure , burns down or for any other misfortune that comes your way.


  27. coldwarrior
    28 | November 11, 2012 8:38 am

    @ John Difool:

    i think we’ll run with this piece at 0900…i just got done reading that as well.


  28. John Difool
    29 | November 11, 2012 8:40 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    i think we’ll run with this piece at 0900…i just got done reading that as well.

    Nice. I thought it would make an excellent piece for discussion as a stand alone article over here since Guggi brought it up numerous times before the election. Good call.


  29. coldwarrior
    30 | November 11, 2012 8:44 am

    John Difool wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:
    @ John Difool:
    i think we’ll run with this piece at 0900…i just got done reading that as well.

    Nice. I thought it would make an excellent piece for discussion as a stand alone article over here since Guggi brought it up numerous times before the election. Good call.

    its a very interesting article. it will run from 0900 to about noon/1300 or so.


  30. John Difool
    31 | November 11, 2012 8:49 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    I have several theories on why that is the sentiment over there & I can’t wait to dive into it. Thanks for running with it.


  31. Bumr50
    32 | November 11, 2012 8:50 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    Did you read Paul Kengor’s autopsy of PA?

    Pretty depressing.


  32. Guggi
    33 | November 11, 2012 8:55 am

    John Difool wrote:

    Your take?

    This is well known. The hate from left wing to right wing Germans (and many other Europeans as well, like French people or the Austrians) has been a case for academic research for the last ten years. It stems either from 19th century right wing wrighters (“thinkers”) who disliked the republic as well the democratic principles in the U.S.A. or from left wing writers (“thinkers”) who have been seen the U.S.A. as only a greedy capitalist country and with people without education. Still today you’ll hear people in Europe saying that “all Americans are stupid, without education and manners”.

    Since after WWII -- and especially since 1967 -- it became even worse because of the relationship with Israel. Till the 1970′s the working class was very pro-USA but since then it was poisened by the 68-generation and everyone with barrely a highschool degree sees her/himself as an intellectual if she/he is against the U.S.A.

    But: this doesn’t prevent them to go there for vacation and to come back as a “specialist in US-politics and life style”.


  33. Guggi
    34 | November 11, 2012 8:55 am

    Guggi wrote:

    wrighters

    writers, you dolt.


  34. John Difool
    35 | November 11, 2012 8:57 am

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Did you read Paul Kengor’s autopsy of PA?
    Pretty depressing.

    Could be that evangelicals just weren’t going to vote for a Mormon whatever the cost.

    A damn shame, maybe not everything but I’ll bet that had a lot to do with it.


  35. Guggi
    36 | November 11, 2012 8:58 am

    John Difool wrote:

    Could be that evangelicals just weren’t going to vote for a Mormon whatever the cost.

    Evangelicals came out but the own Mormon base not.


  36. John Difool
    37 | November 11, 2012 8:58 am

    @ Guggi:

    If you would, copy & then repaste that on the next thread when it comes up. Good points you made I’d like to discuss on that one.


  37. John Difool
    38 | November 11, 2012 8:59 am

    Guggi wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Could be that evangelicals just weren’t going to vote for a Mormon whatever the cost.
    Evangelicals came out but the own Mormon base not.

    Yea, now that you mention it, I did see an article about that.


  38. 39 | November 11, 2012 8:59 am

    John Difool wrote:

    Could be that evangelicals just weren’t going to vote for a Mormon whatever the cost.

    I linked an article several days ago that indicated that Evangelicals turned out in record numbers for Romney. The Study was by Faith and Freedom, IIRC. If we turned out in record numbers for the guy, I don’t think it is Evangelicals who are the problem. FOcus rather on Hispanic Catholics who turned out en masse for the most anti-Catholic President the United States has ever had.


  39. Bumr50
    40 | November 11, 2012 9:02 am

    @ John Difool:

    Oh, if it were only that simple.

    As predicted in a pre-election Pew polls and elsewhere, traditional Catholics and evangelicals seem to have repeated their 2004 high water of support for the Republican presidential nominee. Exit polls showed that white evangelicals, who were 26 percent of total voters, rehashed their 2004 level of support for George W. Bush, supporting Romney by 79 percent to 21 percent. In 2004 white evangelicals were 23 percent of the electorate, sparking fears of impending theocracy by some on the Left.

    Exit polling revealed Protestants and other Christians (including evangelicals and Mainline Protestants of all races plus presumably Eastern Orthodox), who made up 53 percent of the electorate, voted 42 percent for Obama and 57 percent for Romney. A poll more strictly confined to Protestants shows they favored Romney 62 to 37 percent. White Protestant and other Christians, comprising 39 percent of the total, favored Romney 69 to 30 percent. Weekly Protestant church attenders favored Romney 70 percent to 29 percent.

    This was from a piece linked within the piece that I linked to.

    Oddly enough, fewer Mormons voted for Romney than for Bush in 2000.


  40. 41 | November 11, 2012 9:06 am

    I am growing heartily sick of the very words “Mormon”, “Evangelical”, “Catholic” and “Hispanic.” And there’s plenty more where those came from.


  41. Guggi
    42 | November 11, 2012 9:35 am

    Mike C. wrote:

    I am growing heartily sick of the very words “Mormon”, “Evangelical”, “Catholic” and “Hispanic.” And there’s plenty more where those came from.

    women ??? //// :-P


  42. unclassifiable
    43 | November 11, 2012 9:54 am

    Just as familiarity breeds contempt, so power breed corruption. The greater the power, the greater the corruption. This is how the Mainstream Media committed suicide, their power led to corruption, it led to arrogance and it led to narcissism. Most importantly it led to them falling victim to the false belief that their source of power and authority was unassailable. As they grew in they grew in their arrogance and narcissism they began to believe that the power and authority they wielded was theirs by what amounted to divine right, not divine right ass in conferred by God, but as conferred by their superior intelligence and educations.

    Substitute everybody who voted for Obama and everyone who stayed home on election day for the Mainstream Media and the observation still applies.

    The issue for conservatives is can we overcome “Tytler’s Conjecture“?


  43. Moe Katz
    44 | November 11, 2012 10:39 am

    @ unclassifiable:
    It’s not about how the pie is divided, it’s about making the pie grow again.


  44. Moe Katz
    45 | November 11, 2012 10:45 am

    Hell, communism is morally justified if you’re in a lifeboat. Only when there is surplus wealth can economic egoism be tolerated.


  45. unclassifiable
    46 | November 11, 2012 10:50 am

    @ Moe Katz:

    You are correct. The zero-sum game of wealth is a bald face lie repeated by statist of every stripe.

    The laptop I type on is worth about $600 now, $1200 a couple of years ago, and probably about $10,000 10 years ago.


  46. The Osprey
    47 | November 11, 2012 2:47 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    @ The Osprey:
    So you’re from Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. I’d wondered about that. It’s amazing that Mugabe hangs on….

    Actually I’m not. Born on a military base in North Carolina. My dad was a helicopter pilot in Vietnam. Lived up and down the US East Coast, Hawaii and the West Coast. Now live in Arizona.

    I’m just fascinated with the history of Rhodesia. It shows what happens when Western Liberals act in collusion with Third World Marxists. Mugabe has been an absolute disaster. The Internal Settlement Government worked out between Ian Smith and the pro- Western African moderates should have been backed by Britain and the US, and everyone there today, white or black, would be much better off.


  47. Moe Katz
    48 | November 11, 2012 3:34 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    It shows what happens when Western Liberals act in collusion with Third World Marxists.

    Stalin’s phrase “useful idiots” comes to mind….


  48. yenta-fada
    49 | November 11, 2012 3:57 pm

    Well said, Dorian. I believe you; millions wouldn’t.
    H. L. Mencken: “No one in this world has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”


  49. yenta-fada
  50. 51 | November 11, 2012 5:27 pm

    Fritz Katz wrote:

    Charles Johnson of “Little Green Footballs” (who tragically suffered some form of mental breakdown and destroyed in a Pyrrhic fire his Blog), is arguably the New Media’s first Editorial columnist.
    I don’t agree. I don’t think we can give “The Johnson” any credit for anything.

    I was the first editorial columnist. That was before blogs. I ran a HUGE email list against the bombing of the Serbs. But I didn’t use 1389AD -- I used my real name.


  51. 52 | November 11, 2012 5:40 pm

    The Osprey wrote:

    Moe Katz wrote:
    @ The Osprey:
    So you’re from Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. I’d wondered about that. It’s amazing that Mugabe hangs on….

    Actually I’m not. Born on a military base in North Carolina. My dad was a helicopter pilot in Vietnam. Lived up and down the US East Coast, Hawaii and the West Coast. Now live in Arizona.
    I’m just fascinated with the history of Rhodesia. It shows what happens when Western Liberals act in collusion with Third World Marxists. Mugabe has been an absolute disaster. The Internal Settlement Government worked out between Ian Smith and the pro- Western African moderates should have been backed by Britain and the US, and everyone there today, white or black, would be much better off.

    Yep.

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Oddly enough, fewer Mormons voted for Romney than for Bush in 2000.

    Either it was vote theft (think malware in the voting machines or in the networks that tabulate the votes from the machines) or the Mormons don’t trust him (think flip-flopper).


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