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Right On Cue: The Blame Game Levels Itself At Conservatives.

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Filed under Conservatism, Elections 2012, Mitt Romney, Republican Party at November 12th, 2012 - 6:00 pm

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Of all of the post election analysis in which the typical finger pointing and blaming continues as the necessary consequence of a general election in which the American People returned the single worst President in American history to a second term in office, nothing gets my dander up as much as the proclamation that this election has signaled the death of conservatism as a viable political ideology. This is stated as if our political leanings were adopted somehow as a pretext for winning elections quite independent of what our true beliefs happen to be. Those positions therefore should just as dishonestly be abandoned, simply because according to the elite class of punditry, they are losing positions, and no longer capable of producing electoral success.

While this view of what direction the Republican Party should take in light of losing this latest election may satisfy the pseudo intellectual pursuits of the Sunday morning punditry, and certainly would make the opponents of the Republican Party ecstatic, it flies in the face of reality, history, and intellectual honesty. This tittle tattle is nothing more than a race to be the first to offer analysis, and is produced as the logical result of such analysis being offered up prior to any real thought having the chance to make its way to the frontal lobes of those typing said analysis into their keyboards or saying it in front of cameras and microphones.

Let’s take a step back for just one moment, and actually give this some thought. When is the last time you heard of anyone from the politically left party actually stating in an honest manner what their planned agenda for carrying out the duties of their office would be, should they get elected. Barack Obama’s second term agenda, all 20 sentences of it was so devoid of any actual content, I would be willing to bet a substantial amount of cash that the vast majority of the people who voted for him still have no real idea as to what he plans for his second set of four years. Remember the Blue Dog Democrats, those Senators and Representatives elected in the wave elections of 2006 and 2008 who promised to legislate as conservative Democrats and promptly angered their constituents by signing onto the most bizarrely left of center agenda ever put forward in American History. So angry was the American electorate that the 2010 midterms produced the single largest legislative switch in the history of our nation. (This includes Governorships, Senators, Representatives, and State Legislature Seats, and various other sundry state wide offices.) Before we write off the conservative movement, the last really large success of the Republican Party was the direct result of the conservative movement making its voice heard at the polling booth. Bear in mind that this happened only 2 short years ago. In 2012, we conservatives were told to shut up, and to just go along with the establishment candidates picked for us by the smarter and more politically savvy liberal wing of the Republican Party. So, after running yet again, liberal Republicans as the party’s standard bearer, how exactly is it the Tea Party’s fault that Mitt Romney lost this election? As a matter of fact, it was the Tea Party that gave Romney his greatest support, and this was in spite of the fact that Governor Romney did nothing at all to reach out to us. Remember back at the end of September, it was the party establishment who had largely abandoned Romney and declared him to be dead in the water and already defeated. Those are the politically savvy folks we are supposed to allow to dictate our direction for us?

This brings us to another point. How long will the Republican Apparatchiks insist on positioning themselves in direct opposition to their base, which means us? I have voted mostly with the Republican Party for quite some time. I have done so because more often than not, their candidates for office have come closest to matching my core principles and beliefs. Beyond that, my loyalty is not to the party, but to my core principles and beliefs. I believe in the unbridled power of the free market to give every American the best chance to enjoying a living standard that he or she wishes to enjoy. I believe in a smaller and less intrusive government that is constrained in both scope and authority by the consent of those governed. I believe in a society where our freedoms are not traded, however slowly over time for more free crap donated from public largess. I am not impressed by a Republican Party that promises to trade those freedoms slower than the Democrats will. I do not feel a loyalty to a Republican Party that seeks to grow a government’s scope and authority to the same monstrous proportion, but seeks to have that behemoth status achieved at some later date, rather than immediately.

Election cycle after election cycle, the Republican Establishment forces liberal candidates upon us, insisting that only the moderates can win on a national level, and then blames us when failure ensues. To find a conservative Republican who lost a presidential election, one must travel back in time all the way to 1964. More over, the entire gamesmanship school of picking which side of an issue to appear on, puts aside entirely what is actually best for our nation. We must stop deciding our stance on important issues based on the tyranny of campaign consultants, otherwise, our Constitution and Nation are indeed doomed.

The plain and simple fact of the matter is, that the Republicans lost this election by a very thin margin. Yes, the electoral college made it look like it was not as close as it was, but such is the nature of how we chose our Presidents. Otherwise, it was a 50 to 49 split, about as close as these things get. The perspective I have tells me that trying to blur the lines between the two sides ended up costing more votes than it attracted. Mitt Romney about a month ago did a tremendous job of highlighting the differences between the two sides of our ideological coin, during the last two weeks of the campaign, not so much.

If there is one thing that we on our side should tweak in ourselves, it is this. Each of us needs to stop using our one pet issue as the litmus test for who is conservative and who is not. We need to stop applying the purity tests of a very narrow few issues and label that as the arbiter of all things right of center. We will not be able to run Ronald Reagan for President again, and coincidentally, the perfect candidate who matches everything each of us believes individually and collectively will not ever exist. If we ever find that candidate, he or she will be the same empty suit we have now, and consequently will be every bit as terrible as Barack Obama has been, and will continue to be.

On the day prior to the election, I had coffee with a friend, a life long Republican, who questioned whether or not Mitt Romney would have been any different than Barack Obama in terms of his regulatory stance, support of free markets, judicial appointments in terms of picking people who would interpret the Constitution as written rather than divining some interpretation based on empathy or momentary expedience. I realized of course that Romney would have been light years better than the current occupant of the Oval Office, but I was never the problem, as the Republican establishment would have everyone believe. It was the people from their own fold who largely had trouble seeing it. Such is the wage of equivocation. This is what the party establishment wishes us to do more of. Might I propose that the Republican Party listen to its voting base for a change, and let’s see how that works out. We can hardly do any worse.

Cross Posted from Musings of a Mad Conservative.

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216 Responses to “Right On Cue: The Blame Game Levels Itself At Conservatives.”
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  1. 1 | November 12, 2012 6:09 pm

    To me, the big issue is VOTE FRAUD.

    The fact that, except for LTC Allen West, the rest of the GOP completely rolled over and played dead on this issue, is a scandal to me.

    If people KNOW that it doesn’t do any good for them to vote because the election is outrageously rigged, what’s the point?

    I have a whole collection of articles on this.


  2. Da_Beerfreak
    2 | November 12, 2012 6:14 pm

    Anyone that thinks this was a fair contest between the Stupid Party and the Evil Party is an Idiot. :evil:


  3. coldwarrior
    3 | November 12, 2012 6:24 pm

    @ 1389AD:
    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    yinz dont get PA politics, do yinz.

    20% votes for him in phillie and he still loses.

    he needed montgomery and bucks county and the T to cancel out phille.

    even if he gets 40% in phillie, which will never ever ever happen he still loses because the ‘burbs didnt show up for him. the fiscon-libertarian suburbanites stayed home. he lost motgomery by 60,000

    he lost by 300,000 votes statewide, low turnout by the gop failed to prevent the phillie dem machine from winning the day.

    run a conservative and mybe we win in PA….because in all the races the tea party won except for senate.

    so that is congress, state house, and judges 99% win for conservatives.


  4. Da_Beerfreak
    4 | November 12, 2012 6:30 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    WASS*. As long as there are open primary elections nothing will change. We are well down the rode to a one party system with two parties in name only. :evil:

    *We Are So Screwed.


  5. darkwords
    5 | November 12, 2012 6:35 pm

    @ 1389AD:

    It would seems like that would be an easy fraud and great media story to prove.

    Just re pol the precincts and ask for a single person that voted for Romney to step forward and ask their vote to be verified. Do it on national TV. Insinuate that massive fraud occurred.


  6. Mars
    6 | November 12, 2012 6:40 pm

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/11/white-house-website-deluged-with-secession-petitions-from-19-states/

    In MT all the conservatives got their way on all but one ballot initiative.

    At the state level it was mixed dem and republican. Senate went to incumbent Dem, Republican won the vacant House seat.

    What is important though is when things are clearly shown, ie ballot initiatives, conservative thought nearly always wins out.


  7. Tanker
    7 | November 12, 2012 6:40 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 1389AD:
    It would seems like that would be an easy fraud and great media story to prove.
    Just re pol the precincts and ask for a single person that voted for Romney to step forward and ask their vote to be verified. Do it on national TV. Insinuate that massive fraud occurred.

    Probably not. Even if tens or hundreds voted for Romney, they sure wouldn’t come forward having to live in those neighborhoods. I see no path to the truth!


  8. coldwarrior
    8 | November 12, 2012 6:41 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    WASS*. As long as there are open primary elections nothing will change. We are well down the rode to a one party system with two parties in name only.
    *We Are So Screwed.

    and this didnt help at all:

    PA has a voter ID system that reqires a state id to vote…oh wait, IT DID..see it didnt quite make it this time because one of the republican supreme court judge who got caught with her hand in the cookie jar and is now in jail. the law got held up in a court that was 4-3 conservative, but is now 3-3 because of this idiot.

    next election this system will be in place 100%…2 years from now

    their names are jane orie and her sister is state supreme court justice joan orie melvin.

    Authorities seized thousands of computer records from one of Orie’s district offices in mid-December 2009, as part of an investigation conducted by Allegheny County District Attorney Stephen Zappala. Zappala would not disclose to the public a reason for investigating Orie.[1]

    A story in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette alleged that the core of the investigation involves the employment of one of her district offices for campaign purposes.[2]

    The Post-Gazette subsequently reported that a University of Pittsburgh student intern had told prosecutors of widespread political campaigning inside the office on behalf of Orie’s sister, State Supreme Court Justice Joan Orie Melvin. The story also revealed the Orie’s chief of staff had begun cooperating with investigators.[3] Justice Melvin was later indicted on charges of misusing publicly-funded staff for political work on her two Supreme Court races.[10]


  9. coldwarrior
    9 | November 12, 2012 6:46 pm

    @ Tanker:

    romney would have needed close to 40% of the phillie vote to win PA last week if everything else stays the same in the phillie burbs where he lost big

    40% for a republican in phillie, yeah sure! now THAT would be some fraud right there.


  10. coldwarrior
    10 | November 12, 2012 6:49 pm

    we got an urban v everyone else problem is what we got, the numbers are really polarized.


  11. Bumr50
    11 | November 12, 2012 6:50 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Didn’t the Trib endorse Casey over Smith?

    RINOs everywhere.


  12. Tanker
    12 | November 12, 2012 6:51 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    romney would have needed close to 40% of the phillie vote to win PA last week if everything else stays the same in the phillie burbs where he lost big
    40% for a republican in phillie, yeah sure.

    Again not disagreeing with you on that part. Not saying he could have won. My point is, that there had to be fraud and no matter how small, it needs to be stopped period. One fraudulent vote means the confidence in the system is gone!


  13. coldwarrior
    13 | November 12, 2012 6:51 pm

    in ohio the auto bailout counties plus cleveland carried 0 enough to win.


  14. coldwarrior
    14 | November 12, 2012 6:52 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Again not disagreeing with you on that part. Not saying he could have won. My point is, that there had to be fraud and no matter how small, it needs to be stopped period. One fraudulent vote means the confidence in the system is gone!

    sure.

    my sentence for fraud would be death by hanging.

    the point is just blaming fraud and leaving at that misses the picture that we didnt turn out for a weak assed candidate.


  15. darkwords
    15 | November 12, 2012 6:53 pm

    What about Romney dampened the passion for people voting?


  16. Da_Beerfreak
    16 | November 12, 2012 6:54 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    I saw that. And the Fools rejected photo ID here in Minnesota too, but gay marriage is fine. :evil:

    I believe voter turn out is falling because voters are losing faith in the electoral process. Folks that don’t vote believe their votes don’t matter anymore. Fix the system and folks will return to the polls.


  17. Bumr50
    17 | November 12, 2012 6:56 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Romney didn’t have a message IMHO.

    “Not Obama” lost.


  18. darkwords
    18 | November 12, 2012 6:57 pm

    There seems to be a lot more news about Petraeus being unfaithful to his wife, than Obama being unfaithful to the SEALS.


  19. Tanker
    19 | November 12, 2012 6:58 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Tanker wrote:
    Again not disagreeing with you on that part. Not saying he could have won. My point is, that there had to be fraud and no matter how small, it needs to be stopped period. One fraudulent vote means the confidence in the system is gone!

    sure.
    my sentence for fraud would be death by hanging.
    the point is just blaming fraud and leaving at that misses the picture that we didnt turn out for a weak assed candidate.

    If people couldn’t vote against this POS of a President, I’m not sure we could have won with anyone!

    What would have won with PA voters? Ohio voters?


  20. Da_Beerfreak
    20 | November 12, 2012 6:59 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I saw that. And the Fools rejected photo ID here in Minnesota too, but gay marriage is fine.

    I believe voter turn out is falling because voters are losing faith in the electoral process. Folks that don’t vote believe their votes don’t matter anymore.** Fix the system and folks will return to the polls.

    Let’s try that again.
    **Folks that don’t vote believe their votes matter stop voting.
    That should be better. :oops:


  21. 21 | November 12, 2012 7:00 pm

    @ darkwords:

    Fred Thompson wrote an excellent essay on that very point. It started a couple of weeks prior to the election, in which he began equivocating his positions on free markets, regulation, cap and trade, foreign policy, etc. I can’t quote the Thompson piece verbatim, but I believe it’s posted at National Revue.


  22. coldwarrior
    22 | November 12, 2012 7:01 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    What would have won with PA voters? Ohio voters?

    a real conservative.

    we can smell a fraud 100 miles away. reagan won here handily when there were tons more union/dems here


  23. Da_Beerfreak
    23 | November 12, 2012 7:01 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I saw that. And the Fools rejected photo ID here in Minnesota too, but gay marriage is fine.

    I believe voter turn out is falling because voters are losing faith in the electoral process. Folks that don’t vote believe their votes don’t matter anymore.** Fix the system and folks will return to the polls.

    Let’s try that again.
    **Folks that don’t vote believe their votes matter stop voting.
    That should be better.

    I give up… :roll:
    **Folks that don’t vote believe their votes DON’T matter stop voting.


  24. darkwords
    24 | November 12, 2012 7:01 pm

    @ 19 Tanker: Are voters that fickle? Everyone I know voted except for maybe one person. In my world it looks like the vote was about 75 percent for Romney and 25 percent for Obama.


  25. Lily
    25 | November 12, 2012 7:03 pm

    Mars wrote:

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/11/white-house-website-deluged-with-secession-petitions-from-19-states/

    In MT all the conservatives got their way on all but one ballot initiative.

    At the state level it was mixed dem and republican. Senate went to incumbent Dem, Republican won the vacant House seat.

    What is important though is when things are clearly shown, ie ballot initiatives, conservative thought nearly always wins out.

    You know Louisiana is one of those states but I never saw anything about it in the local paper. Odd. These states see the writting on the wall and don’t want to go down with the collaspe.


  26. darkwords
    26 | November 12, 2012 7:03 pm

    @ 22 coldwarrior: If Romney creates more jobs he probably creates more union members. The only improvement on that probably would be government workers that get unionized no matter what they do.


  27. darkwords
    27 | November 12, 2012 7:04 pm

    Take 100 million government workers versus 100 million private sector workers and see who can create more jobs in 10 years.


  28. darkwords
    28 | November 12, 2012 7:04 pm

    @ 25 Lily: It’s just a few people isn’t it?


  29. Bumr50
    29 | November 12, 2012 7:05 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    As you pointed out earlier, the gutting of the GOP from the inside out continues apace. Those conservatives aren’t going to play nice.

    I can’t wait to see Bill Kristol’s histrionics!

    (See? The power of FORWARD thinking):-)


  30. lobo91
    30 | November 12, 2012 7:05 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Take 100 million government workers versus 100 million private sector workers and see who can create more jobs in 10 years.

    If we had 100 million government workers, who would pay the taxes to pay them?


  31. Speranza
    31 | November 12, 2012 7:06 pm

    People need to vent. Ultimately the fault lies with the country particularly Generation X -- the 18-30 year olds.


  32. Tanker
    32 | November 12, 2012 7:06 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Tanker wrote:
    What would have won with PA voters? Ohio voters?
    a real conservative.
    we can smell a fraud 100 miles away. reagan won here handily when there were tons more union/dems here

    The problem with that is…Even on this site, we can’t come to an agreement on that issue!

    I know I read on this site that only a moderate (Romney) could win elections because of the independent voters.

    How do we get there on a national level? Don’t expect you to know the answer to that last question though!


  33. Speranza
    33 | November 12, 2012 7:08 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    romney would have needed close to 40% of the phillie vote to win PA last week if everything else stays the same in the phillie burbs where he lost big
    40% for a republican in phillie, yeah sure! now THAT would be some fraud right there.

    A Republican would not get 40% of the vote in Philly even if the Democratic candidate was Joachim von Ribbentrop.


  34. Speranza
    34 | November 12, 2012 7:09 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    in ohio the auto bailout counties plus cleveland carried 0 enough to win.

    Romney failed to run any ads in two key swing counties in Ohio.


  35. Bumr50
    35 | November 12, 2012 7:09 pm

    @ lobo91:

    I’m sure a number of Democrat congressmen could deliver an insane explanation with a straight face!


  36. Da_Beerfreak
    36 | November 12, 2012 7:09 pm

    @ lobo91:
    They have the ‘printing presses’, what more is needed?? :roll:


  37. Speranza
    37 | November 12, 2012 7:10 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    What about Romney dampened the passion for people voting?

    I don’t get it either as Romney came across as a qualified, intelligent man of good temperament. He certainly was no Bible thumpin’ stereotype.


  38. darkwords
    38 | November 12, 2012 7:10 pm

    Let’s see I was
    1. a hermain cain supporter
    2. a donald trump supporter
    3. a newt gingrich supporter
    4. I voter for Romney

    Santorum and Paul and et al never entered my picture. I liked Bachmann but never considered her seriously.

    I was looking for someone who could yell loudly at Obama and get the crowd going.


  39. Lily
    39 | November 12, 2012 7:10 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    What about Romney dampened the passion for people voting?

    I don’t know..the more I heard him speak the more impressed I was. He seemed to grow into the position. I have a feeling there was a lot of different issues going on. And for the religious people who voted for obama who is most certainly the most anti-Christian, anti-Jewish president there ever was…a pox be upon you. You were told he was at war with Christians, you saw how he treated Israel, you heard the people at the DNC convention deny God 3 times and deny Israel 3 times. What in the hell were you thinking..or you didn’t vote for him because he wasn’t the perfect candidate.


  40. Speranza
    40 | November 12, 2012 7:11 pm

    @ darkwords:
    You really thought Cain would have had a snowballs chance against Barack?


  41. Lily
    41 | November 12, 2012 7:11 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I saw that. And the Fools rejected photo ID here in Minnesota too, but gay marriage is fine.

    I believe voter turn out is falling because voters are losing faith in the electoral process. Folks that don’t vote believe their votes don’t matter anymore. Fix the system and folks will return to the polls.

    You are right. Too many people didn’t think their vote counted so they stayed home.


  42. Speranza
    42 | November 12, 2012 7:12 pm

    @ Lily:
    The country was the big loser because they could have had elected a fine and capable man as POTUS.


  43. Da_Beerfreak
    43 | November 12, 2012 7:12 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Tanker wrote:
    What would have won with PA voters? Ohio voters?
    a real conservative.
    we can smell a fraud 100 miles away. reagan won here handily when there were tons more union/dems here

    The problem with that is…Even on this site, we can’t come to an agreement on that issue!

    I know I read on this site that only a moderate (Romney) could win elections because of the independent voters.

    How do we get there on a national level? Don’t expect you to know the answer to that last question though!

    Closed primary elections. It’s the only way to find out who the party members want.


  44. Lily
    44 | November 12, 2012 7:13 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ darkwords:

    Romney didn’t have a message IMHO.

    “Not Obama” lost.

    I heard his message..fiscal responsibility, a united America instead of a divided United States…I liked what I heard from him. Obama didn’t have a message other than Romney was evil.


  45. darkwords
    45 | November 12, 2012 7:13 pm

    @ Speranza:
    I got more impressed by him as time went on, but I am just that way. lol

    Romney needed some ads with diverse women questioning him and him giving a confidence building response.

    He needed ads that more people would get union jobs.
    He needed ads that stated to someones face the importance of being an ally to israel and Obama is not one.
    He needed ads that women would get to choose their health still and that he would like to make it a wise choice they would be comfortable with.


  46. Speranza
    46 | November 12, 2012 7:14 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    **Folks that don’t vote believe their votes DON’T matter stop voting.

    I live in Blue NYC but I never fail to vote. If my State is a Democratic electoral lock I say let me help prevent a popular vote win for Obama.


  47. Lily
    47 | November 12, 2012 7:14 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Tanker wrote:
    Again not disagreeing with you on that part. Not saying he could have won. My point is, that there had to be fraud and no matter how small, it needs to be stopped period. One fraudulent vote means the confidence in the system is gone!

    sure.
    my sentence for fraud would be death by hanging.
    the point is just blaming fraud and leaving at that misses the picture that we didnt turn out for a weak assed candidate.

    If people couldn’t vote against this POS of a President, I’m not sure we could have won with anyone!

    What would have won with PA voters? Ohio voters?

    Excatly if they were totally clueless about obama what in the hell could have helped?????


  48. 48 | November 12, 2012 7:14 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ darkwords:

    You really thought Cain would have had a snowballs chance against Barack?

    So did the Dems! That is the very reason they had to take him out early!


  49. darkwords
    49 | November 12, 2012 7:15 pm

    @ 40 Speranza: I don’t know, but he would have done as well as Romney.


  50. Bumr50
    50 | November 12, 2012 7:16 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I liked Herman Cain, especially as a candidate against Obama.


  51. Speranza
    51 | November 12, 2012 7:16 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I got more impressed by him as time went on, but I am just that way. lol
    Romney needed some ads with diverse women questioning him and him giving a confidence building response.
    He needed ads that more people would get union jobs.
    He needed ads that stated to someones face the importance of being an ally to israel and Obama is not one.
    He needed ads that women would get to choose their health still and that he would like to make it a wise choice they would be comfortable with.

    I just came away really, really liking him as a person and felt that he would have been ready from day one to step into the Oval Office and immediately been able to get to work. Btw on the previous (Rove) thread I agreed with you on a lot of your posts.

    Even some of my liberal (but non extreme) friends and coworkers admitted to me that the country would not have been in bad hands if Mitt Romney were president.


  52. Speranza
    52 | November 12, 2012 7:17 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I liked Herman Cain, especially as a candidate against Obama.

    He would have been slaughtered. That would have been two amateurs running against each other. Sorry but not every answer can be “9-9-9″.
    If Cain were not Black, nobody would have paid any attention to him.


  53. Lily
    53 | November 12, 2012 7:17 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 25 Lily: It’s just a few people isn’t it?

    Yeah with more states wanting to secede… right after the election.


  54. darkwords
    54 | November 12, 2012 7:18 pm

    @ Lily: My issues are jobs, anti Islam and pro israel. That is a Romney vote to me and not an Obama vote. I can only assume an Obama vote is either anti jobs and anti israel or for something else completely.

    the race issue is immature and tiring to me. The only big racists left in the country are a sub subculture of black people themselves and a bunch of guilty lefties.


  55. Lily
    55 | November 12, 2012 7:20 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    People need to vent. Ultimately the fault lies with the country particularly Generation X — the 18-30 year olds.

    The few of those that I know voted for Romney. But then again I’m in a red state….but I can’t dispute the ignorance of those in that age group either I know a few of those too..but they are in other states.
    You are also forgetting the older-hippie folks that bought into the obama lies.


  56. Da_Beerfreak
    56 | November 12, 2012 7:21 pm

    @ Speranza:
    I live in sky blue St.Paul (Land of 10,000 Flakes) and have not missed an election since I started voting in ’72. :mrgreen:


  57. Speranza
    57 | November 12, 2012 7:21 pm

    AZOlddog wrote:

    So did the Dems! That is the very reason they had to take him out early!

    Why would they be afraid of him? They would have loved Cain to be the candidate. They were not afraid of anyone that we had as a potential candidate. I think they felt that Mitt would be the strongest opponent and they were right.


  58. Speranza
    58 | November 12, 2012 7:23 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 40 Speranza: I don’t know, but he would have done as well as Romney.

    He would have gotten a fraction of Romney’s vote.


  59. Lily
    59 | November 12, 2012 7:24 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    darkwords wrote:

    What about Romney dampened the passion for people voting?

    I don’t get it either as Romney came across as a qualified, intelligent man of good temperament. He certainly was no Bible thumpin’ stereotype.

    He came across as Presidental…and obama came across as a petulant fool. How do you even counter that?


  60. Tanker
    60 | November 12, 2012 7:25 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    **Folks that don’t vote believe their votes DON’T matter stop voting.
    I live in Blue NYC but I never fail to vote. If my State is a Democratic electoral lock I say let me help prevent a popular vote win for Obama.

    Exactly, my son drove 5.5 hours home from college the night before the election to vote and then 5.5 hours back. He did that in a State that was going for Romney and we all knew it. It was driven into his mushy brain his whole life that voting wasn’t just a right, but a duty!


  61. Bumr50
    61 | November 12, 2012 7:25 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Everybody knows about it, though. Love it or hate it, Herman Cain = 9-9-9.


  62. Speranza
    62 | November 12, 2012 7:25 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Exactly, my son drove 5.5 hours home from college the night before the election to vote and then 5.5 hours back. He did that in a State that was going for Romney and we all knew it. It was driven into his mushy brain his whole life that voting wasn’t just a right, but a duty!

    Good for him!


  63. Lily
    63 | November 12, 2012 7:26 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Let’s see I was
    1. a hermain cain supporter
    2. a donald trump supporter
    3. a newt gingrich supporter
    4. I voter for Romney

    Santorum and Paul and et al never entered my picture. I liked Bachmann but never considered her seriously.

    I was looking for someone who could yell loudly at Obama and get the crowd going.

    Yeah that wasn’t going to work either…because already the Republicans were viewed as evil via the media..so all that would have done is throw fuel on the fire.


  64. buzzsawmonkey
    64 | November 12, 2012 7:27 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    If Cain were not Black, nobody would have paid any attention to him.

    Regretfully, I must agree. Cain was not presidential material, no matter how much I or anyone else wanted him to be.

    Romney would have made a decent President. Had he been willing to contest some of the voting irregularities which seem remarkably blatant, he still could have been, but I must conclude that ship has probably sunk.


  65. Lily
    65 | November 12, 2012 7:27 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Lily:
    The country was the big loser because they could have had elected a fine and capable man as POTUS.

    Indeed. This country is truly the loser…because Romney actually believed in Americans and the United States. Obama uhmmm not so much.


  66. Lily
    66 | November 12, 2012 7:29 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I got more impressed by him as time went on, but I am just that way. lol

    Romney needed some ads with diverse women questioning him and him giving a confidence building response.

    He needed ads that more people would get union jobs.
    He needed ads that stated to someones face the importance of being an ally to israel and Obama is not one.
    He needed ads that women would get to choose their health still and that he would like to make it a wise choice they would be comfortable with.

    Any damn woman that actually thought there was a war on women is an idiot and you just can’t fix idiot.


  67. Lily
    67 | November 12, 2012 7:30 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 40 Speranza: I don’t know, but he would have done as well as Romney.

    I don’t think so.


  68. Lily
    68 | November 12, 2012 7:32 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I liked Herman Cain, especially as a candidate against Obama.

    He would have been slaughtered. That would have been two amateurs running against each other. Sorry but not every answer can be “9-9-9″.
    If Cain were not Black, nobody would have paid any attention to him.

    Excatly…some wanted to see black on black??? ..because Cain had no experience in politic’s ….just in the business arena. That doesn’t help you run a country.


  69. Bumr50
    69 | November 12, 2012 7:34 pm

    Lily wrote:

    you just can’t fix idiot.

    But that’s exactly what we must do.


  70. Lily
    70 | November 12, 2012 7:35 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ Lily: My issues are jobs, anti Islam and pro israel. That is a Romney vote to me and not an Obama vote. I can only assume an Obama vote is either anti jobs and anti israel or for something else completely.

    the race issue is immature and tiring to me. The only big racists left in the country are a sub subculture of black people themselves and a bunch of guilty lefties.

    To you race isn’t an issue..but apparently to a lot of other people it is…and big bird, abortion, free stuff, late term abortions, class warfare…oh yeah that mattered to a lot of people apparently when none of it is a pressing issue.


  71. buzzsawmonkey
    71 | November 12, 2012 7:37 pm

    As long as we are going back to primary-era postmortems, I really was disgusted by the people who were talking about how “terrible” the long primary season was. A long shakeout period is what primaries are for. I do not accept the proposition that winning the nomination after a long primary slog makes one “damaged goods”; it used to be that even after the primaries the final nominee was determined by convention brokering.

    Our TV-era attention span has contrived to undercut the electoral process. The primaries, too, need serious overhauling; I spoke of this at the time. There should be four or five primaries, total; closed primaries, no caucuses, and the primaries clumped so that each one covers a mix of large and small, rural and urban states—so that all parts of the country, and different demographics, all have a say in the selection.


  72. Speranza
    72 | November 12, 2012 7:38 pm

    Lily wrote:

    The few of those that I know voted for Romney. But then again I’m in a red state….but I can’t dispute the ignorance of those in that age group either I know a few of those too..but they are in other states.
    You are also forgetting the older-hippie folks that bought into the obama lies.

    I understand but the core of the Obamazombies are De-generation X. Ironically they will be hurt the most by Obamanomics as they will be stuck in low wage jobs, unable to pay off college loans and living with the parents.


  73. Speranza
    73 | November 12, 2012 7:39 pm

    @ Tanker:
    Romney was fiscally conservative and understood that there was some bad people out there in the world. That was fine enough with me and if we had a chance to win, it was with Romney. Yes he should not have waited for so long to respond to the demonization of him as a vulture capitalist.


  74. Lily
    74 | November 12, 2012 7:40 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    you just can’t fix idiot.

    But that’s exactly what we must do.

    You can’t! You just can’t …have you tried?? I have it is like beating your head against a brick wall. No matter what you say you are a h8ter, bigot and racist all rolled into one and an evil conservative. The only way to fix it unfortunately is they are going to have to FEEL IT. And they will FEEL IT this next four years.


  75. Speranza
    75 | November 12, 2012 7:42 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    As long as we are going back to primary-era postmortems, I really was disgusted by the people who were talking about how “terrible” the long primary season was. A long shakeout period is what primaries are for.

    I disagree. Obama was fresh and rested while Romney was forced to waste time and money debating the likes of Ron Paul and Rick Santorum neither (including Gingrich) of whom had a pissers chance in Gehennom of winning a national election. Like the 162 game baseball season followed by three rounds of playoffs, the primary season was too long.


  76. buzzsawmonkey
    76 | November 12, 2012 7:43 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    But that’s exactly what we must do.

    No. You cannot fix “idiot.” The best you can do is find a stronger hot button than the other guy has.


  77. Lily
    77 | November 12, 2012 7:44 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    Romney was fiscally conservative and understood that there was some bad people out there in the world. That was fine enough with me If we had a chance to win, it was with Romney. Yes he should not have waited for so long to respond to the demonization of him as a vulture capitalist.

    Would it have helped? Who knows with people thinking the way they think now days…rich are evil, Romney is rich and telling lies…etc. oh yeah I can just see the retort.


  78. Da_Beerfreak
    78 | November 12, 2012 7:44 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Our TV-era attention span has contrived to undercut the electoral process. The primaries, too, need serious overhauling; I spoke of this at the time. There should be four or five primaries, total; closed primaries, no caucuses, and the primaries clumped so that each one covers a mix of large and small, rural and urban states—so that all parts of the country, and different demographics, all have a say in the selection.

    If we can’t get that done, there’s really not much of a future left for self-rule.


  79. Speranza
    79 | November 12, 2012 7:46 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Would it have helped? Who knows with people thinking the way they think now days…rich are evil, Romney is rich and telling lies…etc. oh yeah I can just see the retort.

    We will never know but he allowed Obama to define him too early in the game. For most of the summer Romney seemed moribund and when his campaign called me soliciting money I reamed them for him being silent and they said they agreed with me (although they probably just wanted to butter me up to cough up money -- which I did).


  80. buzzsawmonkey
    80 | November 12, 2012 7:46 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    he primary season was too long.

    That is why I say that the primary season needs to be streamlined, as I outlined above; each of four or five primaries comprised of a mix of states that have large and small populations, urban and rural voters. No caucuses. No open primaries. No crossovers, no EZ voting.

    Multiple primaries are necessary for the candidates to show their own mettle and their differences from their competitors. They should not, however—I agree with you there—be so long and so drawn out as to sap candidate and voter energy, and the war chest for the actual election.


  81. 81 | November 12, 2012 7:47 pm

    I’d like to remind the GOP elite that we’ll be more than happy to step aside and let you have complete control of the Republican party and that way you can set the agenda and we’ll decide whether your “platform” is acceptable to us or not.

    Or don’t you asshats in D.C. remember the election of 2006?


  82. Tanker
    82 | November 12, 2012 7:48 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    As long as we are going back to primary-era postmortems, I really was disgusted by the people who were talking about how “terrible” the long primary season was. A long shakeout period is what primaries are for. I do not accept the proposition that winning the nomination after a long primary slog makes one “damaged goods”; it used to be that even after the primaries the final nominee was determined by convention brokering.
    Our TV-era attention span has contrived to undercut the electoral process. The primaries, too, need serious overhauling; I spoke of this at the time. There should be four or five primaries, total; closed primaries, no caucuses, and the primaries clumped so that each one covers a mix of large and small, rural and urban states—so that all parts of the country, and different demographics, all have a say in the selection.

    It would be nice to actually have a say in the process. The nomination process is always complete by the time I get a vote.

    The good part about that is, I can say…”Don’t blame me, you assholes nominated his ass!”


  83. Speranza
    83 | November 12, 2012 7:50 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Excatly…some wanted to see black on black??? ..because Cain had no experience in politic’s ….just in the business arena. That doesn’t help you run a country.

    Even though he (Cain) was on our side, I was not in the mood for two amateurs who would owe their postions (as POTUS) merely to their racial make up. Cain was a minor leaguer to Mitt’s major leaguer persona. Maybe I am a crank but I would like to think that a GOP candidate understands some foreign policy issues and can point Syria and Libya out on a map.


  84. 84 | November 12, 2012 7:50 pm

    @ Speranza:

    That was a legacy from that ridiculous primary season the Democrats put on for the 2008 election. I’m starting to think they made it so lengthy so that the Divine Doofus would get a chance to get some airtime before primaries. If I remember, it used to be the first primary was in February in New Hampshire and everyone declared right around Christmas and then spent time between Iowa and New Hampshire. Last time out, it looked like they started debates four months out.


  85. Lily
    85 | November 12, 2012 7:51 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Would it have helped? Who knows with people thinking the way they think now days…rich are evil, Romney is rich and telling lies…etc. oh yeah I can just see the retort.

    We will never know but he allowed Obama to define him too early in the game. For most of the summer Romney seemed moribund and when his campaign called me soliciting money I reamed them for him being silent and they said they agreed with me (although they probably just wanted to butter me up to cough up money — which I did).

    Basically what I was getting at was….after 4 years of obama and you still didn’t GET IT then you were never going to GET IT even if Romney did do what you wanted him to do. Obama voters were going with Romney is evil so not matter what he said wasn’t going to get through to them.


  86. Speranza
    86 | November 12, 2012 7:51 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I’d like to remind the GOP elite that we’ll be more than happy to step aside and let you have complete control of the Republican party and that way you can set the agenda and we’ll decide whether your “platform” is acceptable to us or not.

    Or don’t you asshats in D.C. remember the election of 2006?

    The debacles of 2006 and 2008 really did a number on our qualified candidates for higher office.


  87. buzzsawmonkey
    87 | November 12, 2012 7:52 pm

    The other thing the Republicans need to do is: stop accepting liberal moderators for debates.

    If a liberal moderator is permitted, get somebody like Mark Steyn or Mark Levin or Christian Adams as a counterweight.

    No. More. Fucking. Proggies.


  88. Speranza
    88 | November 12, 2012 7:53 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Basically what I was getting at was….after 4 years of obama and you still didn’t GET IT then you were never going to GET IT even if Romney did do what you wanted him to do. Obama voters were going with Romney is evil so not matter what he said wasn’t going to get through to them.

    I was referring to the elusive Independents and moderate Democrats.


  89. Lily
    89 | November 12, 2012 7:53 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Excatly…some wanted to see black on black??? ..because Cain had no experience in politic’s ….just in the business arena. That doesn’t help you run a country.

    Even though he (Cain) was on our side, I was not in the mood for two amateurs who would owe their postions (as POTUS) merely to their racial make up. Cain was a minor leaguer to Mitt’s major leaguer persona. Maybe I am a crank but I would like to think that a GOP candidate understands some foreign policy issues and can point Syria and Libya out on a map.

    Excatly. Cain was an amateur we didn’t need another one.


  90. 90 | November 12, 2012 7:54 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Well we know that Jerk the Wonder Prez can’t find effing BENGHAZI on a map. Just got an email from a friend saying she’s driving in but the car will be full of Obama supporters wanting to discuss the election so if I want a ride I can come but she didn’t want to be uncomfortable.

    Typical lib. If I had a car with three conservatives in it and my friend the lib is riding, I inform the conservatives ahead of time that we’ll forego politics for the time being so that no one has to be uneasy.

    This is the one that would vote for Adolf if he was a Democrat.


  91. Speranza
    91 | November 12, 2012 7:54 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Exactly. Cain was an amateur we didn’t need another one.

    He took up a lot of the oxygen in the room for almost a month when he had less then zero chance of winning a national election. Just my opinion.


  92. buzzsawmonkey
    92 | November 12, 2012 7:55 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    moderate Democrats.

    They’re over there, with the moderate Muslims.

    What, you can’t see them?


  93. Lily
    93 | November 12, 2012 7:55 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Basically what I was getting at was….after 4 years of obama and you still didn’t GET IT then you were never going to GET IT even if Romney did do what you wanted him to do. Obama voters were going with Romney is evil so not matter what he said wasn’t going to get through to them.

    I was referring to the elusive Independents and moderate Democrats.

    I am also referring to those dimwits too. Gee obama is wreaking the country isn’t hard to grasp whether you are a democrat or independent.


  94. 94 | November 12, 2012 7:56 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Absolutely. Refuse the debate period if no moderators from Fox News like Brett Baier or Chris Wallace are offered. And sorry, Candy Crowley and what’s her name from the VP debate are not even up for discussion EVER AGAIN.


  95. Speranza
    95 | November 12, 2012 7:57 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Well we know that Jerk the Wonder Prez can’t find effing BENGHAZI on a map. Just got an email from a friend saying she’s driving in but the car will be full of Obama supporters wanting to discuss the election so if I want a ride I can come but she didn’t want to be uncomfortable.
    Typical lib. If I had a car with three conservatives in it and my friend the lib is riding, I inform the conservatives ahead of time that we’ll forego politics for the time being so that no one has to be uneasy.
    This is the one that would vote for Adolf if he was a Democrat.

    Gee ya’ think there is a double standard for Republican v. Democrats? Liberals are brazenly contentious even when they are in the presence of more conservatives then liberals and seek out arguments -- that is why they are so socially unpleasant to be around. Everything is about politics to them, stuff that should not even have a drop of politics in them such as a discussion of French Impressionist Art of the 19th century!.


  96. Speranza
    96 | November 12, 2012 7:58 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    Absolutely. Refuse the debate period if no moderators from Fox News like Brett Baier or Chris Wallace are offered. And sorry, Candy Crowley and what’s her name from the VP debate are not even up for discussion EVER AGAIN.

    It was a dumbass move agreeing to a Townhall format and allowing Candy Crowley to moderate. Chris Wallace or Bret Baier would have been so much better -- and fairer.


  97. Lily
    97 | November 12, 2012 7:59 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Well we know that Jerk the Wonder Prez can’t find effing BENGHAZI on a map. Just got an email from a friend saying she’s driving in but the car will be full of Obama supporters wanting to discuss the election so if I want a ride I can come but she didn’t want to be uncomfortable.
    Typical lib. If I had a car with three conservatives in it and my friend the lib is riding, I inform the conservatives ahead of time that we’ll forego politics for the time being so that no one has to be uneasy.
    This is the one that would vote for Adolf if he was a Democrat.

    Gee ya’ think there is a double standard for Republican v. Democrats? Liberals are brazenly contentious even when they are in the presence of more conservatives then liberals and seek out arguments — that is why they are so socially unpleasant to be around. Everything is about politics to them, stuff that should not even have a drop of politics in them such as a discussion of French Impressionist Art of the 19th century!.

    Yep…a complete double-standard!!!!


  98. Speranza
    98 | November 12, 2012 7:59 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    They’re over there, with the moderate Muslims.

    What, you can’t see them?

    Moderate Democrats are called Republicans.


  99. buzzsawmonkey
    99 | November 12, 2012 8:00 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Absolutely. Refuse the debate period if no moderators from Fox News like Brett Baier or Chris Wallace are offered. And sorry, Candy Crowley and what’s her name from the VP debate are not even up for discussion EVER AGAIN.

    I would like to see the debates held on Fox. Or online only. Basically, I want to see future debates—at least some of them—held outside of the moldering grasp of the Old Media.


  100. brookly red
    100 | November 12, 2012 8:01 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Moderate Democrats are called Republicans.

    I am as a registered democrat inclined to agree.


  101. Tanker
    101 | November 12, 2012 8:01 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Basically what I was getting at was….after 4 years of obama and you still didn’t GET IT then you were never going to GET IT even if Romney did do what you wanted him to do. Obama voters were going with Romney is evil so not matter what he said wasn’t going to get through to them.
    I was referring to the elusive Independents and moderate Democrats.

    I am also referring to those dimwits too. Gee obama is wreaking the country isn’t hard to grasp whether you are a democrat or independent.

    Independents are nothing more than another grievance group to be courted and slobbered over IMHO!
    Moderate Democrats just don’t exist. They lost that label during the Healthcare vote!


  102. Speranza
    102 | November 12, 2012 8:02 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Moderate Democrats are called Republicans.

    I am as a registered democrat inclined to agree.

    Living in NYC I was a registered Democrat until 2005.


  103. lobo91
    103 | November 12, 2012 8:02 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That is why I say that the primary season needs to be streamlined, as I outlined above; each of four or five primaries comprised of a mix of states that have large and small populations, urban and rural voters. No caucuses. No open primaries. No crossovers, no EZ voting.

    No same day registration.


  104. Lily
    104 | November 12, 2012 8:03 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    Lily wrote:
    Basically what I was getting at was….after 4 years of obama and you still didn’t GET IT then you were never going to GET IT even if Romney did do what you wanted him to do. Obama voters were going with Romney is evil so not matter what he said wasn’t going to get through to them.
    I was referring to the elusive Independents and moderate Democrats.

    I am also referring to those dimwits too. Gee obama is wreaking the country isn’t hard to grasp whether you are a democrat or independent.

    Independents are nothing more than another grievance group to be courted and slobbered over IMHO!
    Moderate Democrats just don’t exist. They lost that label during the Healthcare vote!

    Totally agree! But I think moderate democrats vote Republican.


  105. buzzsawmonkey
    105 | November 12, 2012 8:04 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Everything is about politics to them, stuff that should not even have a drop of politics in them such as a discussion of French Impressionist Art of the 19th century!.

    Actually, French Impressionist art of the 19th century is highly political; it tends to be extremely pastoral, and indicates how the artists, and their wealthy sponsors, were turning their backs on the most significant event of their lifetimes—the Industrial Revolution.

    The elites of the 19th Century hated the Industrial Revolution—even when it provided them with their own wealth—because it enabled the formerly-poor to live like their “betters.” The art of the time reflected that; it ignored industry and the machine age and concentrated on flowers and country scenes. It shows that artists, who pride themselves on being “cutting edge” and “avant garde” are actually a mirror for the reactionary attitudes of those from whom they gain their living.


  106. Speranza
    106 | November 12, 2012 8:04 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    That is why I say that the primary season needs to be streamlined, as I outlined above; each of four or five primaries comprised of a mix of states that have large and small populations, urban and rural voters. No caucuses. No open primaries. No crossovers, no EZ voting.

    No same day registration.

    No open primary voting either. If you’re not a registered Republican you cannot vote in a Republican primary and that means Independents too cannot vote in them either.


  107. Lily
    107 | November 12, 2012 8:04 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    That is why I say that the primary season needs to be streamlined, as I outlined above; each of four or five primaries comprised of a mix of states that have large and small populations, urban and rural voters. No caucuses. No open primaries. No crossovers, no EZ voting.

    No same day registration.

    Agree and no free phones or free pizza for registration either.


  108. Speranza
    108 | November 12, 2012 8:06 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Actually, French Impressionist art of the 19th century is highly political; it tends to be extremely pastoral, and indicates how the artists, and their wealthy sponsors, were turning their backs on the most significant event of their lifetimes—the Industrial Revolution.

    The elites of the 19th Century hated the Industrial Revolution—even when it provided them with their own wealth—because it enabled the formerly-poor to live like their “betters.” The art of the time reflected that; it ignored industry and the machine age and concentrated on flowers and country scenes. It shows that artists, who pride themselves on being “cutting edge” and “avant garde” are actually a mirror for the reactionary attitudes of those from whom they gain their living.

    I am referring to comments (as I heard in one class back in 1994) referencing Newt Gingrich in a lecture on Pierre Auguste Renoir.


  109. Tanker
    109 | November 12, 2012 8:07 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Way to deep for us knuckle dragging rednecks!


  110. lobo91
    110 | November 12, 2012 8:07 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The worst is that abomination they have in California now, where there’s only one primary. The two candidates who get the most votes go on to the general election, even if they’re both from the same party.

    There was a House race this fall with 2 Democrat candidates as a result.


  111. Speranza
    111 | November 12, 2012 8:08 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    The worst is that abomination they have in California now, where there’s only one primary. The two candidates who get the most votes go on to the general election, even if they’re both from the same party.

    There was a House race this fall with 2 Democrat candidates as a result.

    Kalifornia Krazy!


  112. lobo91
    112 | November 12, 2012 8:08 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The professor I had for US History through 1865 managed to bring up Ronald Reagan at least once per lecture.


  113. Speranza
    113 | November 12, 2012 8:11 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    The professor I had for US History through 1865 managed to bring up Ronald Reagan at least once per lecture.

    Let me go out on a limb and assume that it was not in a complimentary way.


  114. lobo91
    114 | November 12, 2012 8:12 pm

    @ Speranza:

    There’s an easy fix for crap like that. The RNC just has to tell those states that they’re free to use whatever system they like, but they won’t get any delegates at the convention unless they implement closed primaries.


  115. 115 | November 12, 2012 8:13 pm

    Here is my personal tragedy for the year 2012…

    For Sale: 1984 Corvette.


  116. brookly red
    116 | November 12, 2012 8:13 pm

    Lily wrote:

    Agree and no free phones or free pizza for registration either.

    voting should use a system like the banks use with ATMs, you insert your ID card, enter your pin (and in this case social security number too), you vote in REAL TIME and get a printed receipt. No account, no vote. Try to vote more than once, busted. Results in real time, no monkey business with exit polls.


  117. lobo91
    117 | November 12, 2012 8:13 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Let me go out on a limb and assume that it was not in a complimentary way.

    Good guess.

    He did the same thing the following semester, as well.


  118. Speranza
    118 | November 12, 2012 8:13 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    There’s an easy fix for crap like that. The RNC just has to tell those states that they’re free to use whatever system they like, but they won’t get any delegates at the convention unless they implement closed primaries.

    Also we need run offs for any one who does not get 50% of the vote so we are not saddled with some piss poor candidate who wins three way primaries with 34% of the vote.


  119. Speranza
    119 | November 12, 2012 8:14 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Let me go out on a limb and assume that it was not in a complimentary way.

    Good guess.
    He did the same thing the following semester, as well.

    Did any one ever ask him why he was dong that?


  120. lobo91
    120 | November 12, 2012 8:15 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Here is my personal tragedy for the year 2012…

    For Sale: 1984 Corvette.

    Trust me…I know the feeling.


  121. lobo91
    121 | November 12, 2012 8:17 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Did any one ever ask him why he was dong that?

    I didn’t, because I wanted to keep my grades up.

    Most of the class probably didn’t know who Reagan was.


  122. Speranza
    123 | November 12, 2012 8:18 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I didn’t, because I wanted to keep my grades up.

    I was the same way as an undergraduate student. Liberals can be vindictive and vengeful.


  123. buzzsawmonkey
    124 | November 12, 2012 8:18 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Way to deep for us knuckle dragging rednecks!

    It shouldn’t be. It’s quite simple, actually.

    The Industrial Revolution created an explosion of cheap goods. People who previously could not afford glass drinking vessels, changes of clothing, overcoats, wallpaper which approximated the painted rooms of the wealthy—all sorts of things. The formerly-poor could now live like, or almost like, the rich. It was a huge class leveler.

    The rich HATED this. It is from this hatred that it became low-class to have “made your money in trade,” i.e., to have made it by commercial activity, rather than having inherited it. The rich began casting about for ways to differentiate themselves from the horde of upstarts who were able to appear like the old-time aristocracy—and were, in many cases, wealthier.

    The artists catered to this hatred by the elite. The Industrial Revolution divorced art from artisanship, which meant that art became a separate commodity whose value was simply that those in the know were able to recognize it. It was this divorce from artisanship that has brought us the garbage art we have today—this trend began when artists began despising “commercial” art in favor of “pure” art, just as their patrons despised “commercial” wealth in favor of inherited wealth.


  124. 125 | November 12, 2012 8:18 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:

    Here is my personal tragedy for the year 2012…
    For Sale: 1984 Corvette.

    Trust me…I know the feeling.

    Yup, but at least you were able to go work in the sandbox for a year and keep the wolves away from the door for while…


  125. Speranza
    127 | November 12, 2012 8:19 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    OH DEAR GOD NO! http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-considers-john-kerry-for-job-of-defense-secretary/2012/11/12/8a0e973a-2d02-11e2-a99d-5c4203af7b7a_story.html

    I read that he was considering Chuck Hegel for Defense and Kerry for Sec. of State. If not for the Benghazi Sunday morning talk show misinformation she was spewing, it would have been Susan Rice as Sec. of State (or Samantha Power).


  126. lobo91
    128 | November 12, 2012 8:20 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Yup, but at least you were able to go work in the sandbox for a year and keep the wolves away from the door for while…

    I’m sure they have openings…


  127. Tanker
    129 | November 12, 2012 8:20 pm

    Speaking of Moderates!

    Oh God please NO!

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/12/msnbc-rino-michael-steele-hints-he-may-run-for-rnc-chair-again/


  128. Speranza
    130 | November 12, 2012 8:21 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Speaking of Moderates!
    Oh God please NO!
    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/12/msnbc-rino-michael-steele-hints-he-may-run-for-rnc-chair-again/

    Stop the Insanity!
    Steele would not win anything.


  129. lobo91
    131 | November 12, 2012 8:22 pm

    @ Speranza:

    At least half the class were students from the College of Education.

    By the end of the first semester, I understood what was wrong with the public schools, and why they can’t be saved in their current incarnation.


  130. brookly red
    132 | November 12, 2012 8:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’ve been expecting that.

    /I think it was mentioned in Revelations


  131. 133 | November 12, 2012 8:24 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    I’ve been expecting that.

    /I think it was mentioned in Revelations…

    Cough cough… there is no s on Revelation… :twisted:


  132. lobo91
    134 | November 12, 2012 8:25 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    I’ve been expecting that.

    /I think it was mentioned in Revelations…

    I guess if we’re going to dismantle our military, it doesn’t really matter who the Secretary of Defense is…


  133. Bumr50
    135 | November 12, 2012 8:25 pm

    @ Tanker:

    John Boehner probably thinks it’s a splendid idea!


  134. Speranza
    136 | November 12, 2012 8:26 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    At least half the class were students from the College of Education.
    By the end of the first semester, I understood what was wrong with the public schools, and why they can’t be saved in their current incarnation.

    I was going for a Masters in Education 20 some odd years ago and the group think of the students and teachers was incredible. They did not seem to me to be a group that was capable of critical thinking.


  135. lobo91
    137 | November 12, 2012 8:28 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I was going for a Masters in Education 20 some odd years ago and the group think of the students and teachers was incredible. They did not seem to me to be a group that was capable of critical thinking.

    I never saw anything quite like the future teachers in that class.

    Well, until a few years ago, when I took our German shepherd to obedience class. The students were about on the same level.

    //Apologies to any dogs who feel insulted


  136. Da_Beerfreak
    138 | November 12, 2012 8:29 pm

    @ brookly red:
    No.

    Electronic systems are not secure.

    Photo ID, paper ballots, dyed finger after voting.

    If we can’t do better than Iraq, it’s over.


  137. Tanker
    139 | November 12, 2012 8:29 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Tanker wrote:
    Way to deep for us knuckle dragging rednecks!
    It shouldn’t be. It’s quite simple, actually.
    The Industrial Revolution created an explosion of cheap goods. People who previously could not afford glass drinking vessels, changes of clothing, overcoats, wallpaper which approximated the painted rooms of the wealthy—all sorts of things. The formerly-poor could now live like, or almost like, the rich. It was a huge class leveler.
    The rich HATED this. It is from this hatred that it became low-class to have “made your money in trade,” i.e., to have made it by commercial activity, rather than having inherited it. The rich began casting about for ways to differentiate themselves from the horde of upstarts who were able to appear like the old-time aristocracy—and were, in many cases, wealthier.
    The artists catered to this hatred by the elite. The Industrial Revolution divorced art from artisanship, which meant that art became a separate commodity whose value was simply that those in the know were able to recognize it. It was this divorce from artisanship that has brought us the garbage art we have today—this trend began when artists began despising “commercial” art in favor of “pure” art, just as their patrons despised “commercial” wealth in favor of inherited wealth.

    Ok, now I understand:

    1. Old Money hated new (working class) money

    2. artists are assholes and went with the Old money

    3. Today art sucks because it is garbage

    Why didn’t you just say so! just poking…great summary!


  138. brookly red
    140 | November 12, 2012 8:30 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    I’ve been expecting that.

    /I think it was mentioned in Revelations…

    Cough cough… there is no s on Revelation…

    I’ll give ya 50 bucks for the Chevy…


  139. Speranza
    141 | November 12, 2012 8:31 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    I never saw anything quite like the future teachers in that class.

    They were (the females in my classes -- 90% were women) a bunch of screeching women that had personalities that could peel paint.


  140. Da_Beerfreak
    142 | November 12, 2012 8:31 pm

    @ Speranza:
    Just end the winner takes all crap and go with the guy with the most delegates at the convention.


  141. brookly red
    143 | November 12, 2012 8:32 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    No.

    Electronic systems are not secure.

    Photo ID, paper ballots, dyed finger after voting.

    If we can’t do better than Iraq, it’s over.

    well we could just make election day April 15th… you vote on your tax filing ;)


  142. lobo91
    144 | November 12, 2012 8:33 pm

    @ Tanker:

    I guess they wouldn’t appreciate the picture of Coors Field on opening day that’s hanging in my living room, even if it’s on canvas.
    //


  143. AZfederalist
    145 | November 12, 2012 8:33 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    I was going for a Masters in Education 20 some odd years ago and the group think of the students and teachers was incredible. They did not seem to me to be a group that was capable of critical thinking.

    Take a look at GMAT scores. you would think that art students would be the lowest performers. At least when I took it 25 years ago, it was education students who had the lowest average score across the board.


  144. AZfederalist
    146 | November 12, 2012 8:34 pm

    @ AZfederalist:

    OK, I’m suffering from OldTimer’s Disease, make that GRE score, not GMAT.


  145. lobo91
    147 | November 12, 2012 8:34 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The ones in my class would have fit right in on a Jaywalking segment.


  146. Speranza
    148 | November 12, 2012 8:34 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    Take a look at GMAT scores. you would think that art students would be the lowest performers. At least when I took it 25 years ago, it was education students who had the lowest average score across the board.

    They do crap in Mathematics and Natural Sciences.


  147. brookly red
    149 | November 12, 2012 8:35 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    it was education students who had the lowest average score across the board.

    those who can’t do teach :)


  148. Speranza
    150 | November 12, 2012 8:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    The ones in my class would have fit right in on a Jaywalking segment.

    You mean they could not figure out what year the War of 1812 began?


  149. 151 | November 12, 2012 8:36 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    lobo91 wrote:
    I’ve been expecting that.
    /I think it was mentioned in Revelations…
    Cough cough… there is no s on Revelation…

    I’ll give ya 50 bucks for the Chevy…

    Ok, but the key’s will cost you $4000.00… :twisted:


  150. lobo91
    152 | November 12, 2012 8:36 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    The ones in my class would have fit right in on a Jaywalking segment.

    You mean they could not figure out what year the War of 1812 began?

    Yup


  151. Da_Beerfreak
    153 | November 12, 2012 8:37 pm

    @ brookly red:
    :mrgreen:


  152. lobo91
    154 | November 12, 2012 8:37 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    AZfederalist wrote:

    it was education students who had the lowest average score across the board.

    those who can’t do teach

    And those who can’t teach become professors of Education.


  153. Tanker
    155 | November 12, 2012 8:37 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    I guess they wouldn’t appreciate the picture of Coors Field on opening day that’s hanging in my living room, even if it’s on canvas.
    //

    Now that’s art! I have one of Turner Field! Not on canvas though, lithograph! Love the braves…really hate Ted Turner!


  154. brookly red
    156 | November 12, 2012 8:38 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Ok, but the key’s will cost you $4000.00…

    do I strike you as the kinda guy who needs a key :)


  155. huckfunn
    157 | November 12, 2012 8:38 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    OH DEAR GOD NO! http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-considers-john-kerry-for-job-of-defense-secretary/2012/11/12/8a0e973a-2d02-11e2-a99d-5c4203af7b7a_story.html

    Kerry is the logical choice. Ho Chi Minh has been dead for over 40 years and General Giap was passed over because he is 101 years old.


  156. 158 | November 12, 2012 8:39 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Ok, but the key’s will cost you $4000.00…
    do I strike you as the kinda guy who needs a key

    I’m guessing you have never tried to steal a corvette… :twisted:


  157. brookly red
    159 | November 12, 2012 8:41 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    I’m guessing you have never tried to steal a corvette…

    we just drag em up on the flatbed take em to the shop and chop em for parts Muhahahaha!


  158. brookly red
    160 | November 12, 2012 8:43 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    OH DEAR GOD NO! http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-considers-john-kerry-for-job-of-defense-secretary/2012/11/12/8a0e973a-2d02-11e2-a99d-5c4203af7b7a_story.html

    Kerry is the logical choice. Ho Chi Minh has been dead for over 40 years and General Giap was passed over because he is 101 years old.

    well if their is any justice he will get a 4th (and well earned) purple heart :)


  159. 161 | November 12, 2012 8:43 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    I’m guessing you have never tried to steal a corvette…
    we just drag em up on the flatbed take em to the shop and chop em for parts Muhahahaha!

    For $4000.00 I don’t give a damned what you do to it… :sad:


  160. huckfunn
    162 | November 12, 2012 8:47 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    well if their is any justice he will get a 4th (and well earned) purple heart

    Posthumorlessly, of course. :twisted:


  161. livefreeor die
    163 | November 12, 2012 8:48 pm

    @ doriangrey:
    I’m sorry, Dorian. :(


  162. brookly red
    164 | November 12, 2012 8:48 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    For $4000.00 I don’t give a damned what you do to it…

    can’t you get hit by a city bus and get the 4K plus another 200 for pain and suffering?


  163. brookly red
    165 | November 12, 2012 8:49 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    Posthumorlessly, of course.

    wait… you mean he’s still alive?


  164. unclassifiable
    166 | November 12, 2012 8:49 pm

    My biggest question is what is keeping me from running for office.

    Your biggest question should be what is keeping you from running for office.

    The most qualified candidate maybe commenting on this blog right now.


  165. livefreeor die
    167 | November 12, 2012 8:51 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    If Cain were not Black, nobody would have paid any attention to him.

    Regretfully, I must agree. Cain was not presidential material, no matter how much I or anyone else wanted him to be.

    Romney would have made a decent President. Had he been willing to contest some of the voting irregularities which seem remarkably blatant, he still could have been, but I must conclude that ship has probably sunk.

    I agree. I don’t know why he didn’t contest some of the swing states. When EVERYONE on the Republican side is scratching their heads and saying, “We weren’t expecting this.” maybe we should make really sure Bammy won for real.


  166. livefreeor die
    168 | November 12, 2012 8:52 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    huckfunn wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    OH DEAR GOD NO! http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-considers-john-kerry-for-job-of-defense-secretary/2012/11/12/8a0e973a-2d02-11e2-a99d-5c4203af7b7a_story.html

    Kerry is the logical choice. Ho Chi Minh has been dead for over 40 years and General Giap was passed over because he is 101 years old.

    well if their is any justice he will get a 4th (and well earned) purple heart

    Yeah, but where’s he going to get a butt full of rice shards this time around?


  167. 169 | November 12, 2012 8:52 pm

    livefreeor die wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    I’m sorry, Dorian.

    Yea, it’s breaking my heart, but I have to do something cause finances have gotten that bad.


  168. brookly red
    170 | November 12, 2012 8:58 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Yea, it’s breaking my heart, but I have to do something cause finances have gotten that bad.

    don’t give up hope, after the crash that car can be rented as a studio apartment.


  169. 171 | November 12, 2012 9:04 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    John Boehner probably thinks it’s a splendid idea!

    We have GOT to get rid of that Effeminate Asshole!


  170. Da_Beerfreak
    173 | November 12, 2012 9:37 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    this is interesting…

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/11/white-house-website-deluged-with-secession-petitions-from-19-states/

    After sending all the names to the DHS to form a new domestic watch list, the obama white hut will just ignore them. :cool:


  171. lobo91
    174 | November 12, 2012 9:39 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    After sending all the names to the DHS to form a new domestic watch list, the obama white hut will just ignore them.

    Yup


  172. brookly red
    175 | November 12, 2012 9:45 pm

    @ Da_Beerfreak:

    yes but it makes for good reading…


  173. 176 | November 12, 2012 9:55 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Yea, it’s breaking my heart, but I have to do something cause finances have gotten that bad.
    don’t give up hope, after the crash that car can be rented as a studio apartment.

    If this is your idea of funny, then your sense of humor sucks.


  174. brookly red
    177 | November 12, 2012 10:02 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Yea, it’s breaking my heart, but I have to do something cause finances have gotten that bad.
    don’t give up hope, after the crash that car can be rented as a studio apartment.

    If this is your idea of funny, then your sense of humor sucks.

    no I am actually serious (not about the apartment) but don’t give up hope, because the economy is going to get so bad that the assets that you have that may not seem like much now will seem like a fortune in the near future.


  175. brookly red
    178 | November 12, 2012 10:05 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    Yea, it’s breaking my heart, but I have to do something cause finances have gotten that bad.
    don’t give up hope, after the crash that car can be rented as a studio apartment.

    If this is your idea of funny, then your sense of humor sucks.

    no I am actually serious (not about the apartment) but don’t give up hope, because the economy is going to get so bad that the assets that you have that may not seem like much now will seem like a fortune in the near future.

    for example selling a car may seem like taking a loss but to some one who needs a ride renting the same car can become a source of income to a resourceful person.


  176. 179 | November 12, 2012 10:05 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    brookly red wrote:
    doriangrey wrote:
    Yea, it’s breaking my heart, but I have to do something cause finances have gotten that bad.
    don’t give up hope, after the crash that car can be rented as a studio apartment.
    If this is your idea of funny, then your sense of humor sucks.

    no I am actually serious (not about the apartment) but don’t give up hope, because the economy is going to get so bad that the assets that you have that may not seem like much now will seem like a fortune in the near future.

    Ok, m7y misunderstanding, I though you were implying that I should take the Vette out and crash it…


  177. brookly red
    180 | November 12, 2012 10:10 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    Ok, m7y misunderstanding, I though you were implying that I should take the Vette out and crash it…

    no that was a bad joke about insurance hustlers, but you HAVE a car and that is a start. A woman I know kept a roof over her head for a year just driving people around on errands and such because they didn’t have a car… 20 bucks to go for groceries, an other 20 bucks for a ride to the doctor’s, 10 bucks to pick up the kid from school… it can add up.


  178. darkwords
    181 | November 12, 2012 10:13 pm

    GoP voters get smarter, Democrats get dumber.


  179. Tanker
    182 | November 12, 2012 10:17 pm

    brookly red wrote:

    this is interesting…
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/11/white-house-website-deluged-with-secession-petitions-from-19-states/

    Reading the comments there is eye opening. Passion on both sides of the issue. Not sure how all this will work out, but I don’t see it as being pretty either way.


  180. 183 | November 12, 2012 10:42 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    brookly red wrote:
    this is interesting…
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/11/white-house-website-deluged-with-secession-petitions-from-19-states/

    Reading the comments there is eye opening. Passion on both sides of the issue. Not sure how all this will work out, but I don’t see it as being pretty either way.

    Reading the comments, all I saw was it devolve in to a debate over what the real cause behind the Civil War was.


  181. darkwords
    184 | November 12, 2012 11:24 pm

    LA goes vegetarian

    ‘This follows the `good food’ agenda we recently adopted supporting local, sustainable food choices,’ Councilwoman Jan Perry told the Los Angeles Daily News.

    Perry, who proposed the measure with fellow Democrat council member Ed Reyes, has made healthy eating a key issue of her political career.

    I think I will go to McDonalds that day and get two cheeseburgers and send them each a wrapper.


  182. 185 | November 12, 2012 11:43 pm

    Now, I wouldn’t have much of a problem living in a ‘red state’ America. BUT, how would relations with ‘blue state America’ work? How would food move between the countries? Manufactured goods, either produced here or overseas? People (like my wife) who are current federal employees in a red state? She’d want to move to California because of access to ports for import of goods.


  183. Calo
    186 | November 12, 2012 11:47 pm

    @ mfhorn:
    And… last time I looked The Port of Houston was in a Red State. :smile:


  184. lobo91
    187 | November 12, 2012 11:48 pm

    @ darkwords:

    The Meatless Monday initiative was started in 2003 at the Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health.

    Coincidence, I’m sure…


  185. Calo
    188 | November 13, 2012 12:06 am

    @ Calo:
    A muddy Texas waterway port, and the 4th largest port in the US still.


  186. darkwords
    189 | November 13, 2012 1:10 am

    The Allen West Recount

    If there is a chance to stick the fraud label on the dems that is where it is at.


  187. 190 | November 13, 2012 4:16 am

    Lots of comments, but pretty dead now.

    First of all, condolances to dorien for have to sell the ride. I’m still driving the most powerful personal (as opposed to family) car I have evr owned -- my 1996 Geo Metro with a screaming 58 bhp. At least you had one ride with a little oompf. And I’m real familiar with the unemployment gig, too. 7 months of it ended just last July, and it’s coming up again First of January, or February at best. The fun life of the consultant…

    Back to the original article and all the musing thereon, I saw two bits in it that I was surprised to not see connected. Obviously one is the failure to nominate “conservative” candidates. But the second, which should have been tied in, was the lament against “litmus test” conservatives. If you’ll take an honest look back, you’ll see that most of the “conservative” candidates the last few election cycles have themselves been “litmus test” politicians. They attract enthusiastic and quite vocal support from the subset of voters that use the same “litmus test” criteria and nobody else. Not a classical liberal or a constitutional federalist in the lot of them, and THAT is why you don’t get a “conservative” candidate. They self-select for “litmus test” sub-groups, always in a negative fashion, and doom themselves to failure. If anybody sees that changing anytime soon, I’d like to hear the basis of your reasoning. If it has some sort of factual basis, that is -- I don’t read sci-fi any more.


  188. 191 | November 13, 2012 5:02 am

    Pardon the typos…


  189. 192 | November 13, 2012 5:26 am

    Good morning everyone. I, ah, fixed the issues from yesterday morning on my previous blog posts. It was an ID10T error. Anyway, no problems with todays post I hope.


  190. 193 | November 13, 2012 6:57 am

    Lily wrote:

    Obama didn’t have a message other than Romney was evil.

    Negative campaigning works. Obama is evil. We should have articulated that. The RNC should have been running ads about what a failure he was during the lull that Romney had because of Primary versus General election. But that is water under the bridge. We’re doomed, but we have to go down fighting. We need to get NASTY for the 2014 campaign. A vote for a Democrat is a vote against America.


  191. citizen_q
    194 | November 13, 2012 7:08 am

    Quick drive-by.

    This is just too damn funny:

    Obama considering John Kerry for job of defense secretary

    President Obama is considering asking Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) to serve as his next defense secretary, part of an extensive rearrangement of his national security team that will include a permanent replacement for former CIA director David H. Petraeus.

    Although Kerry is thought to covet the job of secretary of state, senior administration officials familiar with the transition planning said that nomination will almost certainly go to Susan E. Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

    When real events are a worse parody then the Onion. What else is there to do, but laugh at the folly?


  192. Guggi
    195 | November 13, 2012 7:09 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Negative campaigning works. Obama is evil. We should have articulated that. The RNC should have been running ads about what a failure he was during the lull that Romney had because of Primary versus General election. But that is water under the bridge. We’re doomed, but we have to go down fighting. We need to get NASTY for the 2014 campaign. A vote for a Democrat is a vote against America.

    It’s O.’s second term, so it doesn’t make sense to campaign mainly against O. anymore. Campaign against the Democratic Party, against their “ethnicism” (= the old racism in news sknis), against their “diversity” (= divide et impera), show how they rob Peter to pay Paul (= social welfare), show how women a degenerated to their genital tract (= free abortion/contracenption etc.), show the true roots of the KKK and the “Jim Crowe” laws, make them the party of the slaveholders again, etc.

    Destroy the reputation of the Democratic Party, label anyone who stands up for them with Nazi, Fascist, slaveholder etc.


  193. 196 | November 13, 2012 7:33 am

    Guggi wrote:

    Destroy the reputation of the Democratic Party, label anyone who stands up for them with Nazi, Fascist, slaveholder etc.

    Exactly. And question the Patriotism of anyone who supports a Party that has racked up $10 trillion in debt in eight years. Politics ain’t beanbag. We can’t just make up charges like Harry Reid. Unlike Reid, the MFM will require us to substantiate charges, but there is plenty substantive that we can bring against the Democrats. The Debt has to be our centerpiece. What do we do when we reach 150% GDP in debt? Put it in simple terms the voters can understand. Most people get that if you make $50K a year you can’t go rack up half a million on credit cards and expect to ever pay it off. The Laffer Curve is beyond them, but they get bankruptcy. Greece is a stark example of what is coming, and their debt is way smaller than ours. I don’t have much hope. Four more years of Obama will bankrupt us, though we may shamble on for some years before that piper has to be paid.


  194. 197 | November 13, 2012 7:35 am

    @ citizen_q:

    Hey, given what Obama intends to do to DOD, a full-bore traitor as Sec Def makes sense


  195. Guggi
    198 | November 13, 2012 7:37 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Yup.


  196. 199 | November 13, 2012 7:42 am

    Oh, and the other day we had an article that indicated that Romney lost the Cuban-American vote. This was wrong:

    WASHINGTON, D.C. -- A scientific analysis of the actual voting results in Miami-Dade County show that Governor Mitt Romney bested President Barack Obama 58-42% among Cuban-American voters. This does represents a 6% gain for President Obama from 2008, but not of the magnitude predicted by some exit polls.

    Obama gained a little, apparently due to Ryan having expressed a willingness to reduce sanctions on Cuba. That doesn’t make much sense since Barack Obama loves him some Fidel Castro, but there you go.


  197. Guggi
    200 | November 13, 2012 7:43 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    a full-bore traitor as Sec Def makes sense…

    never mind, we have a draft dodger as Secretary of Defense :-(


  198. 201 | November 13, 2012 8:03 am

    @ Guggi:

    The whole world is falling apart. We’re hosed, Europe is hosed, Japan has a crashing birth-rate, China is on the brink, and then there’s Africa. Things could be going so much better. We are at a time when technology is making things possible that would have been unheard of fifty years ago. Fifty years ago I’d have been condemned to be a cripple in a wheelchair. As is, the surgery that I had may take care of the problem, but if it doesn’t a hip replacement will. IF ObamaCare will let me have a hip replacement. It is most distressing.


  199. Guggi
    202 | November 13, 2012 8:06 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Japan has a crashing birth-rate

    not only, Japan is heading into a recession again.


  200. 203 | November 13, 2012 8:13 am

    @ Guggi:

    And Like us they have an aging population. They aren’t going to be able to support their social security model any mor ethatn e are going to be able to support ours. Socialism always fails. Indeed, one could say that the only thing socialism succeeds at is failure.


  201. Guggi
    204 | November 13, 2012 8:28 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    The philosphical thinking of the U.S.A. has changed from Aristotle to Platon. Europe has always been the stronghold of Platonism while the U.S.A. has been the stronghold of Aristotle.

    That’s why you are faced with mob rule. We are used to it.


  202. 205 | November 13, 2012 8:34 am

    @ Guggi:

    It is, as I noted yesterday, split along Sectional lines. Places like California, New York, and Illinois are into the Mob Rules. Places like Tennessee and Texas are not. There really are two Americas, and this election highlighted that division. Obama didn’t make any headway in rural America. He didn’t even try to make any headway in rural America. He holds thos “Jesus Freaks” in contempt. He wan a very narrow victory, though. Most of his popular vote “mandate” (as though 51% of the vote is a mandate) came from California. True, it is a shame that the Republicans there didn’t get out to vote, and I don’t understand why they didn’t, but that wouldn’t have made any real difference. It would have been nice to deny Obama a popular vote victory, though, and the million GOP voters in California that didn’t turn out have only themselves to blame for it.


  203. Guggi
    206 | November 13, 2012 8:38 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    and the million GOP voters in California that didn’t turn out have only themselves to blame for it.

    yup and they should suffer worst.


  204. 207 | November 13, 2012 8:55 am

    @ Guggi:

    Ultimately, I think California will suffer the worst. They are bleeding businesses and they just raised taxes (on th e”rich”, of course) again. An overwhelming majority of the poeple who went to the polls voted for the tax increase. In a recession. And California’s unemployment is among the highest in the nation. Certainly, I am glad that my wife moved here instead of me moving there when the time came for one of us to move. We make lower salaries here, but th ecost of living is way less, and the reduced stress of living in a State where our neighbors share our values is priceless. While the Californians voted tax increases, here in Tennessee we gave the Republicans super-majorities in both houses of Congress. We’ll see if we can’t get some positive, business-friendly legislation out of Congress now. We already had a Republican governor. My state could hardly get more Republican. When the crash comes, we’ll be better prepared to deal with it than most.


  205. Guggi
    208 | November 13, 2012 9:04 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    …but they will come in droves to participate on your success and this will drag you down. Remember the theory of OCA (optimum currency area) and the example of Massachusetts. Better doing states will be overrun by people from California, the salaries will go down and the costs will rise.


  206. 209 | November 13, 2012 9:08 am

    Guggi wrote:

    Remember the theory of OCA (optimum currency area)

    I am not familiar with that, but I do well know the fear of outsiders coming into the area. That wouldn’t be so bad, but they want to bring their failed Blue State politics with them. If the Republicans want to leave California (and who could blame them?), then let them come, but the Democrats need to stay in the People’s Socialist Paradise and live in the mess that they created.


  207. Guggi
    210 | November 13, 2012 9:13 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    but the Democrats need to stay in the People’s Socialist Paradise and live in the mess that they created.

    build a wall around C. :-P


  208. 211 | November 13, 2012 9:15 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    but the Democrats need to stay in the People’s Socialist Paradise and live in the mess that they created.

    You know that won’t happen. They are like locusts when they get large enough and spread their misery around.


  209. heysoos
    212 | November 13, 2012 9:22 am

    12-15mi north of Albuquerque, some guy took a huge ranch and sold it off and made a town, Rio Rancho (where Intel built a plant)…the first thing the guy did was advertise all this cheap land in NYC, Statton Island in particular, and also southern CA…people flooded in and now Rio Ranch has a population of around 75k or so…point is, it has a completely different vibe up there than here in old Abq…less friendly, faster paced, impatient etc…the difference is so profound even visitors can sense it…same thing up in Santa Fe 45mi north…all this growth from the west coast moving here…SF is not a friendly town imo…and both ares are totally liberal and these newcomers brought it with them…it altered the states electorate…we are now and forever a blue state full of pissy people who run the show now…two entirely separate sorts of people


  210. 213 | November 13, 2012 9:40 am

    @ Guggi:

    Make the fence 100 feet high and electrified…


  211. Guggi
    214 | November 13, 2012 9:50 am

    @ heysoos:

    This is how they transformed our rural areas intp strongholds of greenies.


  212. 215 | November 13, 2012 11:48 am

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    @ brookly red:
    No.
    Electronic systems are not secure.
    Photo ID, paper ballots, dyed finger after voting.
    If we can’t do better than Iraq, it’s over.

    We demand purple fingers at every election!


  213. 216 | November 13, 2012 11:53 am

    unclassifiable wrote:

    My biggest question is what is keeping me from running for office.
    Your biggest question should be what is keeping you from running for office.
    The most qualified candidate maybe commenting on this blog right now.

    Complete lack of money and connections, compounded by bad health and a stalker problem. Next question?


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