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Conservatives should demand IQ tests of Republican candidates

by Speranza ( 227 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Elections 2012, Elections 2016, immigration, Mitt Romney, Progressives, Republican Party at November 13th, 2012 - 5:00 pm

An excellent analysis by Bret Stephens about the flaws in Republican strategic thinking. I think what we should do is become what the Democrats were in the 1940′s and 50′s – the party of the middle class, the working class, and of small-businesses.  Let the Democrats be the party of the rich, the elitists, and the out-of-touch crowd.

by Bret Stephens

In January I was rebuked by some readers for predicting that the GOP would lose, and for saying it deserved to lose, too.

“It doesn’t matter that Americans are generally eager to send Mr. Obama packing,” I wrote. “All they need is to be reasonably sure that the alternative won’t be another fiasco. But they can’t be reasonably sure, so it’s going to be four more years of the disappointment you already know.”

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Fellow conservatives, please stop obsessing about what other adults might be doing in their bedrooms, so long as it’s lawful and consensual and doesn’t impinge in some obvious way on you. This obsession is socially uncouth, politically counterproductive and, too often, unwittingly revealing.

Also, if gay people wish to lead conventionally bourgeois lives by getting married, that may be lunacy on their part but it’s a credit to our values. Channeling passions that cannot be repressed toward socially productive ends is the genius of the American way. The alternative is the tapped foot and the wide stance.

Also, please tone down the abortion extremism. Supporting so-called partial-birth abortions, as too many liberals do, is abortion extremism. But so is opposing abortion in cases of rape and incest, to say nothing of the life of the mother. Democrats did better with a president who wanted abortion to be “safe, legal and rare”; Republicans would have done better by adopting former Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels’s call for a “truce” on social issues.

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Which reminds me: Can we, as the GOP base, demand an IQ exam as well as a test of basic knowledge from our congressional and presidential candidates? This is not a flippant suggestion: There were at least five Senate seats in this election cycle that might have been occupied by a Republican come January had not the invincible stupidity of the candidate stood in the way.

On the subject of idiocy, can someone explain where’s the political gold in demonizing Latin American immigrants? California’s Prop 187, passed in 1994, helped destroy the GOP in a once-reliable state. Yet Republicans have been trying to replicate that fiasco on a national scale ever since.

If the argument is that illegal immigrants are overtaxing the welfare state, then that’s an argument for paring back the welfare state, not deporting 12 million people. If the argument is that these immigrants “steal” jobs, then that’s an argument by someone who either doesn’t understand the free market or aspires for his children to become busboys and chambermaids.

And if the argument is that these immigrants don’t share our values, then religiosity, hard work, personal stoicism and the sense of family obligation expressed through billions of dollars in remittances aren’t American values.

Here’s another suggestion: Running for president should be undertaken only by those with a reasonable chance of winning a general election. It should not be seen as an opportunity to redeem a political reputation or audition for a gig on Fox News. Mitt Romney won the nomination for the simple reason that every other contender was utterly beyond the pale of national acceptability, except Michele Bachmann.

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Though conservatives put themselves through the paces of trying to like Mr. Romney, he was never a natural standard bearer for the GOP. He was, instead, a consensus politician in the mold of Jerry Ford and George H.W. Bush; a technocrat who loved to “wallow in data”; a plutocrat with a fatal touch of class guilt. His campaign was a study in missed opportunities, punctuated by 90 brilliant minutes in Denver. Like a certain Massachusetts governor who preceded him, he staked his presidential claims on “competence.” But Americans want inspiration from their presidents.

Mr. Romney was never likely to deliver on that score. And though I have my anxieties about the president’s next term, I also have a hunch the GOP dodged a bullet with Mr. Romney’s loss.

It dodged a bullet because a Romney victory would have obscured deeper trends in American politics the GOP must take into account. A Romney administration would also have been politically cautious and ideologically defensive in a way that rarely serves the party well.

Finally, the GOP dodged ownership of the second great recession, which will inevitably hit when the Federal Reserve can no longer float the economy in pools of free money. When that happens, Barack Obama won’t have George W. Bush to kick around.

So get a grip, Republicans: Our republican experiment in self-government didn’t die last week. But a useful message has been sent to a party that spent too much of the past four years listening intently to echoes of itself. Change the channel for a little while.

Read the rest- Earth to GOP: Get a Grip

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  1. buzzsawmonkey
    1 | November 13, 2012 5:12 pm

    It seems that Mr. Stephens does not understand that the push for same-sex marriage is not about the homosexually-inclined “leading conventionally bourgeois lives,” but about destruction of the First Amendment protections of free speech and freedom of religion; the destruction of the concept of objective fact; and the reinvention of sex and sex roles, under the compulsion of law, according to the most crackpot wishful-thinking narratives of the far left.

    If Stephens wishes to reward the gay lobby for the social destruction it has already wrought out of all proportion to its numbers, he should recognize that the concessions he wishes to extend to it can and should be adequately met by domestic-partnership laws, not by furthering the invention of same-sex marriage.


  2. 2 | November 13, 2012 5:17 pm

    Great article. I think the GOP needs message discipline. Train our candidates not to stray off message or fall for gotcha questions.


  3. John Difool
    3 | November 13, 2012 5:22 pm

    And while we’re at it, lets demand I.Q. tests for the electorate too.

    Anything below 120 and you’re disqualified.


  4. heysoos
    4 | November 13, 2012 5:23 pm

    this is ground control to Major Tom…


  5. buzzsawmonkey
    5 | November 13, 2012 5:29 pm

    Yes, the GOP, if it is to survive, has to learn to craft its message better and ensure that its candidates stay on message. But for all the talk of IQ tests, or soft-peddling social issues, any candidate that the GOP runs—any conservative candidate, whether GOP or not—will be attacked on that basis alone. And any such candidate will be immediately characterized as “anti-science,” as a “Bible thumper,” or “opposed to gay rights” if s/he expresses a sincere belief in God, admits to actually being guided by his or her faith, or contradicts, in any way, the gay lobby’s wish list of the moment.

    It is better to recognize that truth at the outset, and then to learn counter-arguments (against the unlikely event that one will get the opportunity to present them), and to craft language describing conservative positions which are different from the Leftist buzzwords by which these positions are currently defined. Ceding definition of issues to the Left’s linguistic construction means that any conservative candidate begins any race playing catch-up.


  6. heysoos
    6 | November 13, 2012 5:29 pm

    the author lost me when he said that M Bachmann has national acceptability, where here my dumbass self is repulsed with her brain dead, socon misery she wants to inflict on the rest of us…she’s a lunatic


  7. song_and_dance_man
    7 | November 13, 2012 5:30 pm

    A Romney administration would also have been politically cautious and ideologically defensive in a way that rarely serves the party well.

    Finally, the GOP dodged ownership of the second great recession, which will inevitably hit when the Federal Reserve can no longer float the economy in pools of free money. When that happens, Barack Obama won’t have George W. Bush to kick around.

    Excellent article.

    The economical plunge we are about to experience will hopefully bring most Americans to a realization we need a visionary that will salvage what will be the (D)’s and America’s worst 8 years.


  8. heysoos
    8 | November 13, 2012 5:31 pm

    maybe the message should not advance any further than presidential obligations…the economy and national security/global interests…that’s it folks


  9. 9 | November 13, 2012 5:35 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the author lost me when he said that M Bachmann has national acceptability, where here my dumbass self is repulsed with her brain dead, socon misery she wants to inflict on the rest of us…she’s a lunatic

    Bachmann is what we need to get away from. Her, Santorum and Huckabee are perfect strawmen for the Left.


  10. 10 | November 13, 2012 5:36 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    maybe the message should not advance any further than presidential obligations…the economy and national security/global interests…that’s it folks

    Agreed, that would be very simple.


  11. John Difool
    11 | November 13, 2012 5:36 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the author lost me when he said that M Bachmann has national acceptability, where here my dumbass self is repulsed with her brain dead, socon misery she wants to inflict on the rest of us…she’s a lunatic

    She’s no worse than anyone on the opposite side of the aisle. How is she any less sane than Pelosi, Waxman or Wasserman-Schultz?

    I agree, dump the social-con bit , but on fiscal issues & responsibility this woman is one of the smartest in the room.


  12. buzzsawmonkey
    12 | November 13, 2012 5:36 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Bachmann is what we need to get away from. Her, Santorum and Huckabee are perfect strawmen for the Left.

    You’re saying that Bachmann is stomach-turner overdrive?


  13. Storagemanager
    13 | November 13, 2012 5:36 pm

    Obama signs new Executive Order expanding Homeland Security mission in the U.S.On Oct. 26, President Obama signed a new Executive Order which expands the role and scope of Homeland Security in states and areas across the country. This order, which establishes a new Security Partnership Council, will have far reaching effects in the overall mission of Homeland Security, and for state and local areas that interact with the Federal agency.

    Economically, the Establishing the White House Homeland Security Partnership Council Executive Order will increase funding and resources to state and local governments to fulfill Homeland Security programs and doctrines, as well as increase Federal oversight in the implementation of directives tied to the agencies mission
    http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-signs-new-executive-order-expanding-homeland-security-mission-the-u-s


  14. Tanker
    14 | November 13, 2012 5:37 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    maybe the message should not advance any further than presidential obligations…the economy and national security/global interests…that’s it folks

    That would really be great, but we all know the left would never give up on a conservative until they have denied Christ and Christianity and thrown Israel under the bus three times on the public stage. Then they’d move on to the anti-science/global warming meme!


  15. Storagemanager
    15 | November 13, 2012 5:37 pm

    In a little more than a decade, the Department of Homeland Security, in conjunction with its underlying and partnering Federal agencies, have infiltrated nearly every community in America. This new Executive Order, which expands the scope of the agency and gives it greater power in state and local partnerships, will mean greater loss of freedoms and liberties to both the states and citizens as the Federal government imposes greater authority over what should remain state sovereignty scope and missions


  16. heysoos
    16 | November 13, 2012 5:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    the author lost me when he said that M Bachmann has national acceptability, where here my dumbass self is repulsed with her brain dead, socon misery she wants to inflict on the rest of us…she’s a lunatic
    Bachmann is what we need to get away from. Her, Santorum and Huckabee are perfect strawmen for the Left.

    yup, they are oblivious to the damage their sermons do


  17. 17 | November 13, 2012 5:39 pm

    @ Storagemanager:

    But Republicans want a police state! I swear Jon Stewart told me!
    ////


  18. John Difool
    18 | November 13, 2012 5:40 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Obama signs new Executive Order expanding Homeland Security mission in the U.S.On Oct. 26, President Obama signed a new Executive Order which expands the role and scope of Homeland Security in states and areas across the country. This order, which establishes a new Security Partnership Council, will have far reaching effects in the overall mission of Homeland Security, and for state and local areas that interact with the Federal agency.
    Economically, the Establishing the White House Homeland Security Partnership Council Executive Order will increase funding and resources to state and local governments to fulfill Homeland Security programs and doctrines, as well as increase Federal oversight in the implementation of directives tied to the agencies mission
    http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-signs-new-executive-order-expanding-homeland-security-mission-the-u-s

    Remember when the left claimed Bush created DoHS as a new SS to enslave us all & put us into camps? Remember when they thought after Obama was elected like Gitmo, he’d shut it down?

    Good times, good times.


  19. 19 | November 13, 2012 5:40 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Unfortunately you and I are in the minority on this.


  20. 20 | November 13, 2012 5:41 pm

    @ John Difool:

    GMTA! See my #17!


  21. heysoos
    21 | November 13, 2012 5:43 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    the author lost me when he said that M Bachmann has national acceptability, where here my dumbass self is repulsed with her brain dead, socon misery she wants to inflict on the rest of us…she’s a lunatic

    She’s no worse than anyone on the opposite side of the aisle. How is she any less sane than Pelosi, Waxman or Wasserman-Schultz?
    I agree, dump the social-con bit , but on fiscal issues & responsibility this woman is one of the smartest in the room.

    to bad she wasted herself against a wall of independent thinkers…POTUS transcends all these socon issues…she appeals to some and turns off as many or more…serving the feds does not, in my mind, concern abortion, gay rights, or rights of trees and mammals


  22. heysoos
    22 | November 13, 2012 5:44 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Bachmann is what we need to get away from. Her, Santorum and Huckabee are perfect strawmen for the Left.
    You’re saying that Bachmann is stomach-turner overdrive?

    heh…a colorful way to put it, but yes


  23. John Difool
    23 | November 13, 2012 5:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    GMTA! See my #17!

    I dunno, with these new developments maybe it wasn’t such a good idea signing all those seceding from the union petitions today over at whitehouse.gov & then posting one to Facebook. :)


  24. 24 | November 13, 2012 5:46 pm

    @ heysoos:

    The funniest stunt Bachmann did was when Obama gave his state of the Union speech in 2011, Paul Ryan gave the official Republican response. Then Bachmann then gave the Tea Party response. I was like, who elected her the leader of the tea party? I don’t recall voting.


  25. 25 | November 13, 2012 5:46 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Over drive!


  26. Tanker
    26 | November 13, 2012 5:46 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    the author lost me when he said that M Bachmann has national acceptability, where here my dumbass self is repulsed with her brain dead, socon misery she wants to inflict on the rest of us…she’s a lunatic
    She’s no worse than anyone on the opposite side of the aisle. How is she any less sane than Pelosi, Waxman or Wasserman-Schultz?
    I agree, dump the social-con bit , but on fiscal issues & responsibility this woman is one of the smartest in the room.

    to bad she wasted herself against a wall of independent thinkers…POTUS transcends all these socon issues…she appeals to some and turns off as many or more…serving the feds does not, in my mind, concern abortion, gay rights, or rights of trees and mammals

    How can that be true when they regulate/push all the above!


  27. buzzsawmonkey
    27 | November 13, 2012 5:47 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    serving the feds does not, in my mind, concern abortion, gay rights, or rights of trees and mammals

    In that, you are correct—but the federal government very much has its fingers in those pies, and any candidate for federal office will have to deal with them, if only to say that they should be left to be dealt with at the state level.

    That said, there has to be pushback on so-called socon issues at the state level, or the field will be abandoned to the Left, to the larger detriment of society.


  28. heysoos
    28 | November 13, 2012 5:48 pm

    I’m an atheist…but I will stand at the door of the nearest cathedral with my ax handle in hand when the feds come calling mandating what the CC will or will not due….I propose separation of church and state to the extreme….if some church wants to play politics, tax them…if they want to be left alone, I’ll stand with them…my believe does not trump others….and btw, I hate the feds


  29. John Difool
    29 | November 13, 2012 5:51 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    the author lost me when he said that M Bachmann has national acceptability, where here my dumbass self is repulsed with her brain dead, socon misery she wants to inflict on the rest of us…she’s a lunatic
    She’s no worse than anyone on the opposite side of the aisle. How is she any less sane than Pelosi, Waxman or Wasserman-Schultz?
    I agree, dump the social-con bit , but on fiscal issues & responsibility this woman is one of the smartest in the room.

    to bad she wasted herself against a wall of independent thinkers…POTUS transcends all these socon issues…she appeals to some and turns off as many or more…serving the feds does not, in my mind, concern abortion, gay rights, or rights of trees and mammals

    I agree on the soc-con bit & her being too toxic & too Tracy Flickish. She really lost me when she compared Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan to 666 crazy eyes and all.

    But on fiscal stuff she really knows her shit & who are we to say how the folks in Minnesota should vote if that’s who they want as a Rep?

    With that said, that’s where she should stay, as a rep.


  30. Tanker
    30 | November 13, 2012 5:52 pm

    I would love for the conservatives politicians to say “State Issue, next question” and let it be at that.


  31. buzzsawmonkey
    31 | November 13, 2012 5:52 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    this is ground control to Major Tom…

    As long as he’s not a major Uncle Tom…


  32. darkwords
    32 | November 13, 2012 5:54 pm

    @ 6 heysoos:I interpreted him as saying she was the only one not considered in any category.


  33. darkwords
    33 | November 13, 2012 5:55 pm

    @ 13 Storagemanager: And the actor from Homeland sent OBama a DVD set of the series with a note from one muslim to another muslim.


  34. heysoos
    34 | November 13, 2012 5:56 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    serving the feds does not, in my mind, concern abortion, gay rights, or rights of trees and mammals
    In that, you are correct—but the federal government very much has its fingers in those pies, and any candidate for federal office will have to deal with them, if only to say that they should be left to be dealt with at the state level.
    That said, there has to be pushback on so-called socon issues at the state level, or the field will be abandoned to the Left, to the larger detriment of society.

    I see almost everything in black and white, but I understand the shades of gray…if folks at the state level overwhelm some notion, then we have to live with it, but it works both ways…if your sex life may require abortion then you’d better be living in a state that accommodates you…I just feel that voters fight harder for their beliefs at the state level, where they might see real results in their favor….there has to be some space where people like me just want to be left alone


  35. 35 | November 13, 2012 5:57 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    I would love for the conservatives politicians to say “State Issue, next question” and let it be at that.

    Message discipline is the key.


  36. darkwords
    36 | November 13, 2012 5:59 pm

    @ 30 Tanker: I think strategically that is a good thing for conservatives to attune to on socon issues. Move it to the states or to the school boards and stay away from it on the national stage. Focus on jobs and foreign policy and trade.


  37. Speranza
    37 | November 13, 2012 5:59 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Great article. I think the GOP needs message discipline. Train our candidates not to stray off message or fall for gotcha questions.

    Discipline and focus. And knowing to keep ones ignorant mouth shut on rape/abortion questions.


  38. Speranza
    38 | November 13, 2012 5:59 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    I would love for the conservatives politicians to say “State Issue, next question” and let it be at that.

    Amen brotha!


  39. Tanker
    39 | November 13, 2012 5:59 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    serving the feds does not, in my mind, concern abortion, gay rights, or rights of trees and mammals
    In that, you are correct—but the federal government very much has its fingers in those pies, and any candidate for federal office will have to deal with them, if only to say that they should be left to be dealt with at the state level.
    That said, there has to be pushback on so-called socon issues at the state level, or the field will be abandoned to the Left, to the larger detriment of society.

    I see almost everything in black and white, but I understand the shades of gray…if folks at the state level overwhelm some notion, then we have to live with it, but it works both ways…if your sex life may require abortion then you’d better be living in a state that accommodates you…I just feel that voters fight harder for their beliefs at the state level, where they might see real results in their favor….there has to be some space where people like me just want to be left alone

    I agree totally with your statement. Next question, now do we get the Federal Judges out of the equation once the state has decided?


  40. Speranza
    40 | November 13, 2012 6:00 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the author lost me when he said that M Bachmann has national acceptability, where here my dumbass self is repulsed with her brain dead, socon misery she wants to inflict on the rest of us…she’s a lunatic

    Bachmann is a self parodying joke.


  41. darkwords
    41 | November 13, 2012 6:00 pm

    Nice losers

    Mitt Romney now joins the long list of the kinds of presidential candidates favored by the Republican establishment-- nice, moderate losers, people with no coherently articulated vision, despite how many ad hoc talking points they may have.


  42. Speranza
    42 | November 13, 2012 6:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Bachmann is what we need to get away from. Her, Santorum and Huckabee are perfect strawmen for the Left.

    Huckabee should have convinced his buddy Todd Akin to “take one for the team” and withdraw.


  43. buzzsawmonkey
    43 | November 13, 2012 6:03 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    there has to be some space where people like me just want to be left alone

    I appreciate and agree with the wish to be left alone; the problem I am pointing out is that if certain issues are not engaged, then the entire issue is under the control of the Left, alone—and that is unacceptable.

    I have argued here strenuously—and will continue to argue—that the acceptance/legalization of same-sex marriage is a disaster for the First Amendment and various other aspects of liberty. I say this as someone who, back at Yertle’s place, once argued in favor of it. I am not opposed to domestic partnership protections—indeed, I support them—but the marriage push is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, and needs to be understood as such. If someone decides that makes me a “socon”—a term I do not accept—then so be it.


  44. Speranza
    44 | November 13, 2012 6:03 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    The funniest stunt Bachmann did was when Obama gave his state of the Union speech in 2011, Paul Ryan gave the official Republican response. Then Bachmann then gave the Tea Party response. I was like, who elected her the leader of the tea party? I don’t recall voting.

    That really was almost like a Saturday Night Live skit.


  45. heysoos
    45 | November 13, 2012 6:04 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    serving the feds does not, in my mind, concern abortion, gay rights, or rights of trees and mammals
    In that, you are correct—but the federal government very much has its fingers in those pies, and any candidate for federal office will have to deal with them, if only to say that they should be left to be dealt with at the state level.
    That said, there has to be pushback on so-called socon issues at the state level, or the field will be abandoned to the Left, to the larger detriment of society.
    I see almost everything in black and white, but I understand the shades of gray…if folks at the state level overwhelm some notion, then we have to live with it, but it works both ways…if your sex life may require abortion then you’d better be living in a state that accommodates you…I just feel that voters fight harder for their beliefs at the state level, where they might see real results in their favor….there has to be some space where people like me just want to be left alone

    I agree totally with your statement. Next question, now do we get the Federal Judges out of the equation once the state has decided?

    fire them, by the dozens if necessary….we are talking survival as a nation here….people are gonna get burned, so be it


  46. Bumr50
    46 | November 13, 2012 6:04 pm

    @ Rodan:

    We could use a good rebranding campaign as well, but the current “leadership” doesn’t inspire me much.


  47. Speranza
    47 | November 13, 2012 6:04 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    She really lost me when she compared Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan to 666 crazy eyes and all.

    She lost me with her “Gardasil causes mental retardation -- some woman told me so” bull shit which she refused to walk back.


  48. darkwords
    48 | November 13, 2012 6:05 pm

    Danny Tosh™ ‏@RealDannyTosh
    Don’t send me a ;) face and then wonder why I show up at your house naked.


  49. 49 | November 13, 2012 6:05 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Charles Johnson when he was still rational back in 08 called Huckabee a Leftist. He just hides his Progressive economic ideas by using red meat that Conservative seat up.


  50. Speranza
    50 | November 13, 2012 6:05 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 13 Storagemanager: And the actor from Homeland sent OBama a DVD set of the series with a note from one muslim to another muslim.

    That show is so absurd.


  51. 51 | November 13, 2012 6:05 pm

    @ Speranza:

    She was Romney’s attack dog against Perry.


  52. heysoos
    52 | November 13, 2012 6:06 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Bachmann is what we need to get away from. Her, Santorum and Huckabee are perfect strawmen for the Left.
    Huckabee should have convinced his buddy Todd Akin to “take one for the team” and withdraw.

    but NOOOO!…he has to pound out his lunacy for the left to feast on…he’s a self absorbed idiot


  53. 53 | November 13, 2012 6:06 pm

    Bumr50 wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    We could use a good rebranding campaign as well, but the current “leadership” doesn’t inspire me much.

    I agree, they are not serious about change. But the problem is not just the leadership. Many Republicans like the way things are with the party.


  54. buzzsawmonkey
    54 | November 13, 2012 6:06 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    fire them, by the dozens if necessary

    Federal judges serve for life. They cannot be “fired”; they can only removed from office by impeachment—and it is not an impeachable offense to make an overbroad ruling.


  55. Speranza
    55 | November 13, 2012 6:06 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    Nice losers
    Mitt Romney now joins the long list of the kinds of presidential candidates favored by the Republican establishment-- nice, moderate losers, people with no coherently articulated vision, despite how many ad hoc talking points they may have.

    If we had any chance of winning this year it was with Mitt Romney.


  56. Tanker
    56 | November 13, 2012 6:07 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Tanker wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    serving the feds does not, in my mind, concern abortion, gay rights, or rights of trees and mammals
    In that, you are correct—but the federal government very much has its fingers in those pies, and any candidate for federal office will have to deal with them, if only to say that they should be left to be dealt with at the state level.
    That said, there has to be pushback on so-called socon issues at the state level, or the field will be abandoned to the Left, to the larger detriment of society.
    I see almost everything in black and white, but I understand the shades of gray…if folks at the state level overwhelm some notion, then we have to live with it, but it works both ways…if your sex life may require abortion then you’d better be living in a state that accommodates you…I just feel that voters fight harder for their beliefs at the state level, where they might see real results in their favor….there has to be some space where people like me just want to be left alone
    I agree totally with your statement. Next question, now do we get the Federal Judges out of the equation once the state has decided?

    fire them, by the dozens if necessary….we are talking survival as a nation here….people are gonna get burned, so be it

    Clinton did that with all judges when he took office (his right to do). Bush fired 7 and all hell broke out! I wish it was so easy!


  57. Speranza
    57 | November 13, 2012 6:07 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Charles Johnson when he was still rational back in 08 called Huckabee a Leftist. He just hides his Progressive economic ideas by using red meat that Conservative seat up.

    He is a wealthy rich guy who uses his Bible to hide his statism.


  58. Speranza
    58 | November 13, 2012 6:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    She was Romney’s attack dog against Perry.

    Yes she was. I noticed she never once criticized Mitt Romney.


  59. buzzsawmonkey
    59 | November 13, 2012 6:08 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    Clinton did that with all judges when he took office (his right to do). Bush fired 7 and all hell broke out! I wish it was so easy!

    No. Those were not judges. Those were federal prosecutors.


  60. darkwords
    60 | November 13, 2012 6:08 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey: All the pro gay marriage ads here in state stated 2 people who love each other should be married. I am wondering how they settled on the number two where their is a large in state contingent or polyamorous 3′s. Why did pro gay marriage people exclude the 3′s? Because they think 2 is the divine number? How do they know that?


  61. Tanker
    61 | November 13, 2012 6:08 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    Tanker wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    heysoos wrote:
    serving the feds does not, in my mind, concern abortion, gay rights, or rights of trees and mammals
    In that, you are correct—but the federal government very much has its fingers in those pies, and any candidate for federal office will have to deal with them, if only to say that they should be left to be dealt with at the state level.
    That said, there has to be pushback on so-called socon issues at the state level, or the field will be abandoned to the Left, to the larger detriment of society.
    I see almost everything in black and white, but I understand the shades of gray…if folks at the state level overwhelm some notion, then we have to live with it, but it works both ways…if your sex life may require abortion then you’d better be living in a state that accommodates you…I just feel that voters fight harder for their beliefs at the state level, where they might see real results in their favor….there has to be some space where people like me just want to be left alone
    I agree totally with your statement. Next question, now do we get the Federal Judges out of the equation once the state has decided?
    fire them, by the dozens if necessary….we are talking survival as a nation here….people are gonna get burned, so be it

    Clinton did that with all judges when he took office (his right to do). Bush fired 7 and all hell broke out! I wish it was so easy!

    Never mind ,I mixed up judges and prosecutors!


  62. John Difool
    62 | November 13, 2012 6:08 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Bachmann is what we need to get away from. Her, Santorum and Huckabee are perfect strawmen for the Left.
    Huckabee should have convinced his buddy Todd Akin to “take one for the team” and withdraw.

    I hope Todd Akin is happy right now. It was all about him after all & not putting the brakes on Barry’s socialist agenda & potential two new SCOTUS picks.

    I’m not a very religious person but if there is indeed a hell, I hope he gets to spend a little time there for his selfishness & hubris.


  63. darkwords
    63 | November 13, 2012 6:10 pm

    @ 55 Speranza: I agree but he was too nice and the ads came too late. A Romney presidency would have stabilized the future of the country. Plenty of time to adapt to the new electorate. The defeat will make the adaptation faster.


  64. Speranza
    64 | November 13, 2012 6:10 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    Bachmann is what we need to get away from. Her, Santorum and Huckabee are perfect strawmen for the Left.

    Huckabee should have convinced his buddy Todd Akin to “take one for the team” and withdraw.

    but NOOOO!…he has to pound out his lunacy for the left to feast on…he’s a self absorbed idiot

    In a nutshell,the Huckabee/Akin/Mourdock fiasco symbolized the ineptitude of Republican campaigns the past couple of years.


  65. heysoos
    65 | November 13, 2012 6:10 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    there has to be some space where people like me just want to be left alone
    I appreciate and agree with the wish to be left alone; the problem I am pointing out is that if certain issues are not engaged, then the entire issue is under the control of the Left, alone—and that is unacceptable.
    I have argued here strenuously—and will continue to argue—that the acceptance/legalization of same-sex marriage is a disaster for the First Amendment and various other aspects of liberty. I say this as someone who, back at Yertle’s place, once argued in favor of it. I am not opposed to domestic partnership protections—indeed, I support them—but the marriage push is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, and needs to be understood as such. If someone decides that makes me a “socon”—a term I do not accept—then so be it.

    agreed…it’s their problem not mine…I want everybody to be happy, but just because you aren’t don’t come crying to me…put it to the voters and find out just who your friends are…and I use socon very loosely, just to move ahead…maybe I should be busted for not being more specific


  66. heysoos
    67 | November 13, 2012 6:11 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    fire them, by the dozens if necessary
    Federal judges serve for life. They cannot be “fired”; they can only removed from office by impeachment—and it is not an impeachable offense to make an overbroad ruling.

    I thought the POTUS could fire them…my bad


  67. darkwords
    68 | November 13, 2012 6:12 pm

    I think socon work is better done from the grassroots up. It’s an educational process. friend to friend talking about actual values.


  68. song_and_dance_man
    69 | November 13, 2012 6:13 pm

    @ Guggi:

    Cutting spending is a better idea; but that ain’t going to happen. Not with this bunch.


  69. 70 | November 13, 2012 6:13 pm

    Charles Johnson was not rational in 08. That die had already been cast earlier. You just weren’t paying attention.


  70. heysoos
    71 | November 13, 2012 6:13 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Tanker wrote:
    Clinton did that with all judges when he took office (his right to do). Bush fired 7 and all hell broke out! I wish it was so easy!
    No. Those were not judges. Those were federal prosecutors.

    they all look the same to me…I never claimed to know what I’m talking about


  71. Speranza
    72 | November 13, 2012 6:13 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    agreed…it’s their problem not mine…I want everybody to be happy, but just because you aren’t don’t come crying to me…put it to the voters and find out just who your friends are…and I use socon very loosely, just to move ahead…maybe I should be busted for not being more specific

    I just want to be left alone and I am tired of wasting our time on issues that have already been settled. Forty years this coming January after Roe v. Wade was settled (and prior to Roe, 41 out of 50 states had some sort of liberalized abortion law) there are still folks seeking the impossible i.e. criminalizing an established procedure and who have “abortion repeal” as their number 1 obsession.


  72. darkwords
    73 | November 13, 2012 6:14 pm

    @ 67 heysoos: WE treat judges too well in this country. A lot of them start to think they are above the law and forget the little peon.


  73. Speranza
    74 | November 13, 2012 6:15 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Charles Johnson was not rational in 08. That die had already been cast earlier. You just weren’t paying attention.

    No he was still rational but the signs were there that things were changing.

    Exhibit one was the “Creationism” obsession.


  74. Moe Katz
    75 | November 13, 2012 6:15 pm

    Israel made me beat my wife.


  75. song_and_dance_man
    76 | November 13, 2012 6:15 pm

    @ Mike C.:
    Anybody who read the archives of 1.0, as I did, knew he was a liberal from the get to. His epiphany that led people to believe he was a conservative was his backing of Bush and the WoT. That’s about it to the Right he ever moved.


  76. Speranza
    77 | November 13, 2012 6:16 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    I think socon work is better done from the grassroots up. It’s an educational process. friend to friend talking about actual values.

    Socon work needs to be done via persuasion not political coercion.


  77. Speranza
    78 | November 13, 2012 6:16 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Israel made me beat my wife.

    Dem Joooos!


  78. song_and_dance_man
    79 | November 13, 2012 6:16 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    I think socon work is better done from the grassroots up. It’s an educational process. friend to friend talking about actual values.

    A good idea. I know I changed the minds of a few co-workers this cycle


  79. heysoos
    80 | November 13, 2012 6:17 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    agreed…it’s their problem not mine…I want everybody to be happy, but just because you aren’t don’t come crying to me…put it to the voters and find out just who your friends are…and I use socon very loosely, just to move ahead…maybe I should be busted for not being more specific
    I just want to be left alone and I am tired of wasting our time on issues that have already been settled. Forty years this coming January after Roe v. Wade was settled (and prior to Roe, 41 out of 50 states had some sort of liberalized abortion law) there are still folks seeking the impossible i.e. criminalizing an established procedure and who have “abortion repeal” as their number 1 obsession.

    there you have it…in these dire times, if this issue divides your base, you’re out of the running, done….there is a huge difference between protecting the party or obsessing over some matter already settled


  80. buzzsawmonkey
    81 | November 13, 2012 6:17 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    All the pro gay marriage ads here in state stated 2 people who love each other should be married.

    You will note that I do not use the term “gay marriage”; I use the term same-sex marriage, which is accurate. Nor do I use “gay” unless I am talking about the political lobbying effort.

    “Gay” is a 19th century slang term that originally encompassed whores, theater people, artists/bohemians (i.e., “hipsters,” 19th-century style), drug addicts, and the homosexually-inclined. These were all part of what was then called “the gay life” or “the life,” which distinguished them from “respectable society.” “Gay” had narrowed to refer primarily to the homosexual subculture by the mid-1930s, but prostitutes still refer to themselves as being “in the life” (much as police refer to themselves as being “on the job”), and the gay-news program PBS used to run was called “In the Life.”

    There is no scientific definition of “gay” or “homosexual”—and the parameters of who or what is included under this umbrella expands or contracts by the community itself according to what it perceives as political advantage.


  81. 82 | November 13, 2012 6:17 pm

    @ John Difool:

    I hope Todd Akin is happy right now.

    He is, he’s now a Martyr in his mind.


  82. John Difool
    83 | November 13, 2012 6:18 pm

    song_and_dance_man wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Cutting spending is a better idea; but that ain’t going to happen. Not with this bunch.

    You’re damn right they won’t. In fact they’ll just keep spending more & growing government. That train will never stop.

    I laugh at the “fiscal cliff” fearmongering from the left since we’ll be revisiting this issue at least every six months as long as the socialists are allowed to remain in power.


  83. Speranza
    84 | November 13, 2012 6:18 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 55 Speranza: I agree but he was too nice and the ads came too late. A Romney presidency would have stabilized the future of the country. Plenty of time to adapt to the new electorate. The defeat will make the adaptation faster.

    I agree that he sat on his hands too long. A Romney victory (along with a repeal of Obamacare) would’ve encouraged businesses to start hiring again.


  84. 85 | November 13, 2012 6:18 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    Charles Johnson was not rational in 08. That die had already been cast earlier. You just weren’t paying attention.

    I meant in one of his few rational moments. He played everyone for a sucker with his Conservative act.


  85. lobo91
    86 | November 13, 2012 6:18 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    fire them, by the dozens if necessary

    Federal judges serve for life. They cannot be “fired”; they can only removed from office by impeachment—and it is not an impeachable offense to make an overbroad ruling.

    And in the extremely rare event that one is impeached, he just runs for Congress as a Democrat.


  86. Speranza
    87 | November 13, 2012 6:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    I hope Todd Akin is happy right now.

    He is, he’s now a Martyr in his mind.

    He is a fool with saw dust between his ears. He can go to hell.


  87. 88 | November 13, 2012 6:19 pm

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 55 Speranza: I agree but he was too nice and the ads came too late. A Romney presidency would have stabilized the future of the country. Plenty of time to adapt to the new electorate. The defeat will make the adaptation faster.

    I was warning people about Romney not fighting back in June, July and August. Those 3 months cost Romney the election.


  88. 89 | November 13, 2012 6:20 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Like Alcee Hastings!


  89. heysoos
    90 | November 13, 2012 6:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    fire them, by the dozens if necessary
    Federal judges serve for life. They cannot be “fired”; they can only removed from office by impeachment—and it is not an impeachable offense to make an overbroad ruling.

    And in the extremely rare event that one is impeached, he just runs for Congress as a Democrat.

    he shoots…he scores!


  90. Speranza
    91 | November 13, 2012 6:20 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    I was warning people about Romney not fighting back in June, July and August. Those 3 months cost Romney the election.

    That you did and I thought you were being a bit of an alarmist and that the Mitt Romney people knew what they were doing but deep inside I feared that you were right and you were.


  91. John Difool
    92 | November 13, 2012 6:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    I hope Todd Akin is happy right now.
    He is, he’s now a Martyr in his mind.

    Yea, except most religious martyrs didn’t get to continue on living like he will.

    What he did was martyr us, not himself.


  92. 93 | November 13, 2012 6:21 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Plus I did not express it on the blog, but when Sandy hit I told people personally Romney lost it. Chris Christie got Obama re-elected.


  93. song_and_dance_man
    94 | November 13, 2012 6:21 pm

    @ Speranza:
    That comment just changed before me very eyes.


  94. Speranza
    95 | November 13, 2012 6:22 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    What he did was martyr us, not himself.

    He also made Claire McCaskill one happy woman.


  95. 96 | November 13, 2012 6:22 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Yet he will be viewed as a hero by some Republicans. There is an element in the GOP that loves the purity of defeat.


  96. Speranza
    97 | November 13, 2012 6:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Plus I did not express it on the blog, but when Sandy hit I told people personally Romney lost it. Chris Christie got Obama re-elected.

    I thought that was an exaggeration but again, you were right.


  97. John Difool
    98 | November 13, 2012 6:23 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    What he did was martyr us, not himself.
    He also made Claire McCaskill one happy woman.

    Akin smothered the Constitution in it’s crib.


  98. Speranza
    99 | November 13, 2012 6:23 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Yet he will be viewed as a hero by some Republicans. There is an element in the GOP that loves the purity of defeat.

    It really is a sickness. Show me a noble loser and I will show you a loser.


  99. lobo91
    100 | November 13, 2012 6:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Like Alcee Hastings!

    Yes, that was who I had in mind.


  100. Speranza
    101 | November 13, 2012 6:24 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    John Difool wrote:
    What he did was martyr us, not himself.
    He also made Claire McCaskill one happy woman.

    Akin smothered the Constitution in it’s crib.

    I hold him and his “handler” Mike Shmuckabee responsible.


  101. John Difool
    102 | November 13, 2012 6:24 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Yet he will be viewed as a hero by some Republicans. There is an element in the GOP that loves the purity of defeat.

    There is a part of me that actually believes this guy was a false-flag operative & got a bag of loot for what he did.


  102. heysoos
    103 | November 13, 2012 6:25 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Plus I did not express it on the blog, but when Sandy hit I told people personally Romney lost it. Chris Christie got Obama re-elected.

    I get a headache trying to think this through…bottom line…if Christie makes out with BO and it cost Mit the election, then I don’t want those voters…it’s beyond the pale


  103. 104 | November 13, 2012 6:25 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I just didn’t express it on the blog to not demoralize people. But once I saw the photo ops from Christie, I knew the election was lost. FYI- Pat Caddell and Doug Schoen also said that sealed Obama the election.

    What too many Conservatives didn’t grasp, people wanted to vote for Obama. He’s a cultural icon and voters wanted an excuse to support him.


  104. 105 | November 13, 2012 6:26 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    GMTA! See my #17!

    I dunno, with these new developments maybe it wasn’t such a good idea signing all those seceding from the union petitions today over at whitehouse.gov & then posting one to Facebook.

    Yep, and now you’re on Обама’s list…. 8)


  105. 106 | November 13, 2012 6:26 pm

    @ John Difool:

    There is a part of me that actually believes this guy was a false-flag operative & got a bag of loot for what he did.

    I feel that Santorum, Angle and O’Donut were all false flaggers. I suspect many Republicans are false flag operatives.


  106. Da_Beerfreak
    107 | November 13, 2012 6:27 pm

    Storagemanager wrote:

    Obama signs new Executive Order expanding Homeland Security mission in the U.S.On Oct. 26, President Obama signed a new Executive Order which expands the role and scope of Homeland Security in states and areas across the country. This order, which establishes a new Security Partnership Council, will have far reaching effects in the overall mission of Homeland Security, and for state and local areas that interact with the Federal agency.

    Economically, the Establishing the White House Homeland Security Partnership Council Executive Order will increase funding and resources to state and local governments to fulfill Homeland Security programs and doctrines, as well as increase Federal oversight in the implementation of directives tied to the agencies mission
    http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-signs-new-executive-order-expanding-homeland-security-mission-the-u-s

    Building the new American police state one E.O. at a time.

    Frog.
    Water.
    Heat.

    We Are So Screwed.


  107. 108 | November 13, 2012 6:27 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Hey if you are a Democrat, you could be in the Mayo clinic and get re-elected!


  108. buzzsawmonkey
    109 | November 13, 2012 6:28 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Hey if you are a Democrat, you could be in the Mayo clinic and get re-elected!

    There’s a Hellman’s joke in there somewhere, what with the mayo and all…


  109. 110 | November 13, 2012 6:29 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    :lol:

    What dems get away with!


  110. 111 | November 13, 2012 6:30 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Obama just has a hold on people. The American people love the man. It’s just a sad fact.


  111. John Difool
    112 | November 13, 2012 6:30 pm

    Macker wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    @ John Difool:
    GMTA! See my #17!
    I dunno, with these new developments maybe it wasn’t such a good idea signing all those seceding from the union petitions today over at whitehouse.gov & then posting one to Facebook.

    Yep, and now you’re on Обама’s list…. 8)

    My gist is on his list…because my gist, my gist is on his list…..because my gist is on his list….for the best things in liiiii-eee-iiiiife


  112. 113 | November 13, 2012 6:32 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Sorry, but no. The wheels started coming off that cart back in 2006, no question about it.


  113. buzzsawmonkey
    114 | November 13, 2012 6:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Obama just has a hold on people. The American people love the man. It’s just a sad fact.

    No. The American people love the Dear Leader image they have been fed for five years by a treasonous press.

    They know nothing about the man, or his actions, or his administration, or the effects his actions will have on them.


  114. 115 | November 13, 2012 6:34 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    The American people love the Dear Leader image they have been fed for five years by a treasonous press.

    That’s what I meant. They do not know the real Obama. JUst this image of some semi-divine cool hip Black guy.


  115. 116 | November 13, 2012 6:35 pm

    @ Mike C.:

    Yup 2006 was when the mask started slipping.


  116. John Difool
    117 | November 13, 2012 6:36 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Hey if you are a Democrat, you could be in the Mayo clinic and get re-elected!

    What I had to laugh at is when Jesse Jackson came out and said blacks deserved a return on their investment from Obama because they stood so long in line to vote to put him back into office or something….

    Then on the very same day news broke the DoJ is actively working on throwing Jr. into prison.

    Who says Barry doesn’t have a sense of humor?


  117. lobo91
    118 | November 13, 2012 6:38 pm

    @ John Difool:

    What I had to laugh at is when Jesse Jackson came out and said blacks deserved a return on their investment from Obama because they stood so long in line to vote to put him back into office or something….

    If they lived in Philly or Cleveland, it doesn’t sound like they needed to bother standing in line. Their votes would have been counted for Obama anyway.


  118. buzzsawmonkey
    119 | November 13, 2012 6:38 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    What I had to laugh at is when Jesse Jackson came out and said blacks deserved a return on their investment from Obama because they stood so long in line to vote to put him back into office or something….

    Evvabuddy in Cleveland got Obamaphone™!

    …and evvabuddy in Ohio gettin’ their welfare benefits cut back, now that Obama no longer needs their votes.


  119. John Difool
    120 | November 13, 2012 6:39 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Obama just has a hold on people. The American people love the man. It’s just a sad fact.
    No. The American people love the Dear Leader image they have been fed for five years by a treasonous press.
    They know nothing about the man, or his actions, or his administration, or the effects his actions will have on them.

    Historically, people love to be told what to do and what to think while worshiping & bowing down to a king or a despot.

    Through recorded history Democracy has been the exception not the rule.


  120. Speranza
    121 | November 13, 2012 6:40 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mike C.:
    Yup 2006 was when the mask started slipping.

    Check my new thread in pending.


  121. Speranza
    122 | November 13, 2012 6:40 pm

    Mike C. wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Sorry, but no. The wheels started coming off that cart back in 2006, no question about it.

    Wrong. Some of that crowd that wound up on your blog were a bit how shall I say -- wired.


  122. Speranza
    123 | November 13, 2012 6:41 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    there you have it…in these dire times, if this issue divides your base, you’re out of the running, done….there is a huge difference between protecting the party or obsessing over some matter already settled

    We are parking our cars in the same garage.


  123. 124 | November 13, 2012 6:43 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Great article!


  124. Speranza
    125 | November 13, 2012 6:44 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Great article!

    It sure is.


  125. lobo91
    126 | November 13, 2012 6:46 pm

    Teachers Face Investigations for Anti-Obama Messages

    Two public school teachers are facing investigations for posting messages that some perceived as critical of President Obama on social networking sites.

    In Rock Hill, SC, a middle school teacher was placed on leave after she posted a message on her personal Facebook page about President Obama and food stamps.

    “Congrats Obama,” she allegedly wrote. “As one of my students sang down the hallway, ‘We get to keep our food stamps’ … which I pay for because they can’t budget their money … and really, neither can you.”

    A school spokesperson said they had received several calls complaining about the eighth grade math teacher at Rawlinson Road Middle School. The teacher has apologized.

    A school official told Fox News that the complaints originated from pro-Obama supporters outside the school.

    “People outside the school system that saw her posting and some of them said they were offended by it,” spokesperson Elaine Baker said. “She used poor judgment according to our social media policy. Teachers are kept to higher standards.”

    Baker said teachers and school employees should “watch what they post on Facebook to be careful.”

    “Sometimes you just can’t speak out publicly about what you’d personally like to say, about anything,” she told television station WSOC.

    A high school teacher in Columbus, Ohio is under investigation after he posted what some considered an anti-Obama message on his personal Facebook page.

    “Congrats to those dependent on government, homosexuals, potheads, JAY-Z fans, non-Christians, non-taxpayers, illegals, communists, Muslims, planned murder clinics, enemies of America, Satan You WON,” the unidentified teacher wrote.

    A spokesman for Columbus City Schools confirmed to Fox News that the Linden McKinley High School teacher was being investigated – but he remains in the classroom.

    Yeah…go right ahead and sign those petitions on the White House website…


  126. 127 | November 13, 2012 6:48 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Bachmann was fine when she organized the rallies against the passage of Obamacare. They were good, they were impromptu and she was able to get the troops motivated. She rode the TEA Party wave when then new Congress critters arrived in 2011 and started a caucus. Her real problem is that she would have mainstream appeal, which she wouldn’t. She should have stayed the face of repealing Obamacare, reductions in spending and keeping taxes low. Instead she had delusions of grandeur and found out she was seriously not ready for prime time.


  127. heysoos
    128 | November 13, 2012 6:48 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    there you have it…in these dire times, if this issue divides your base, you’re out of the running, done….there is a huge difference between protecting the party or obsessing over some matter already settled
    We are parking our cars in the same garage.

    well, that’s an army of two


  128. John Difool
    129 | November 13, 2012 6:49 pm

    Uh oh….

    POLICE FIND PAULA BROADWELLS DRIVER LICENSE IN D.C. PARK

    50 Shades of Vince Foster….


  129. Da_Beerfreak
    130 | November 13, 2012 6:53 pm

    Tanker wrote:

    … Next question, now do we get the Federal Judges out of the equation once the state has decided?

    Return control of the U.S. Senate back to the States by repealing the 17th Amendment. This would put the States in charge of the conformation process. This was one of the original checks against Federal power that the Founders had put in place and the Progressives’ had to remove so they could expand their own power over the States.


  130. John Difool
    131 | November 13, 2012 6:53 pm

    @ lobo91:

    If it was something posted derogatory about Republicans & their followers not a peep would’ve been heard.

    As for me, I’m not living in fear dude, I look forward to being put on Jarrett’s enemies list.

    Assuming I & present company included haven’t already been put on that list long ago, that is.


  131. lobo91
    132 | November 13, 2012 6:54 pm

    @ John Difool:

    The South Tampa woman connected to the Gen. David Petraeus scandal has called police to her home several times in the last few days, and at least once tried to invoke “diplomatic protection.”…

    Two 911 calls were made from the Kelleys’ home on Sunday. In the first recording, a man whose name was redacted says there is someone at the door who won’t leave his property. The second caller, who identifies herself as Jill, says there’s someone lurking in their yard…

    “You know, I don’t know if by any chance, because I’m an honorary consul general, so I have inviolability, so they should not be able to cross my property. I don’t know if you want to get diplomatic protection involved as well,” she told the 911 dispatcher, who agreed to pass the information along to police.

    WTF?

    Sounds like her sister isn’t the only crazy one in the family…


  132. 133 | November 13, 2012 6:55 pm

    @ heysoos:

    I found it amusing that the bozos running Cumulus Broadcasting somehow thought they would unseat Rush Limbaugh with Huckabee in his time slot.
    Wonder how much money they’ve lost. Huckabee is marginally bareable for one hour on Fox TV -- three hours on radio -- dreadful.


  133. 134 | November 13, 2012 6:55 pm

    @ lobo91:

    It looks as though Stan won, but in the end, he won’t.


  134. heysoos
    135 | November 13, 2012 6:55 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Bachmann was fine when she organized the rallies against the passage of Obamacare. They were good, they were impromptu and she was able to get the troops motivated. She rode the TEA Party wave when then new Congress critters arrived in 2011 and started a caucus. Her real problem is that she would have mainstream appeal, which she wouldn’t. She should have stayed the face of repealing Obamacare, reductions in spending and keeping taxes low. Instead she had delusions of grandeur and found out she was seriously not ready for prime time.

    politicians don’t understand their limits, and where they best serve…HC is a prime example of a person that should have stayed in the Senate…she wouldn’t listen to me tho…serving the public is their veil of conceit….the opposite is more true in that they are served….the whole gig is upside down and we worship these assholes that cut our throats…I hate the feds…now look at us


  135. 136 | November 13, 2012 6:56 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yep -- he fired every single U.S. Attorney.


  136. heysoos
    137 | November 13, 2012 6:56 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Tanker wrote:
    … Next question, now do we get the Federal Judges out of the equation once the state has decided?
    Return control of the U.S. Senate back to the States by repealing the 17th Amendment. This would put the States in charge of the conformation process. This was one of the original checks against Federal power that the Founders had put in place and the Progressives’ had to remove so they could expand their own power over the States.

    thanks for that…I didn’t know


  137. lobo91
    138 | November 13, 2012 6:59 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    Yep — he fired every single U.S. Attorney.

    Which was absolutely within his authority to do.

    As it was when Bush fired 7 of them.


  138. buzzsawmonkey
    139 | November 13, 2012 6:59 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Return control of the U.S. Senate back to the States by repealing the 17th Amendment. This would put the States in charge of the conformation process. This was one of the original checks against Federal power that the Founders had put in place and the Progressives’ had to remove so they could expand their own power over the States.

    It wouldn’t really put the states in charge of confirmation; the Senate still would do that. What it would do is make the Senators, once again, the representatives of the state governments, as they were supposed to be, by having the Senators selected by their state governments, not by popular vote.


  139. John Difool
    140 | November 13, 2012 7:01 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    The South Tampa woman connected to the Gen. David Petraeus scandal has called police to her home several times in the last few days, and at least once tried to invoke “diplomatic protection.”…
    Two 911 calls were made from the Kelleys’ home on Sunday. In the first recording, a man whose name was redacted says there is someone at the door who won’t leave his property. The second caller, who identifies herself as Jill, says there’s someone lurking in their yard…
    “You know, I don’t know if by any chance, because I’m an honorary consul general, so I have inviolability, so they should not be able to cross my property. I don’t know if you want to get diplomatic protection involved as well,” she told the 911 dispatcher, who agreed to pass the information along to police.
    WTF?
    Sounds like her sister isn’t the only crazy one in the family…

    This woman got consulate plates for her car & was made an honorary consul member or general or whatever the hell it is.

    No way she wasn’t fucking Petraues or Allen or both of ‘em.

    And now Broadwell’s drivers license was found in a D.C. park.

    Wonder if she dropped it meeting a Russian agent? Or perhaps it’s a set-up?


  140. buzzsawmonkey
    141 | November 13, 2012 7:02 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    This woman got consulate plates for her car & was made an honorary consul member or general or whatever the hell it is.

    No way she wasn’t fucking Petraues or Allen or both of ‘em.

    They turned to her for consul-ation…


  141. heysoos
    142 | November 13, 2012 7:04 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:
    Return control of the U.S. Senate back to the States by repealing the 17th Amendment. This would put the States in charge of the conformation process. This was one of the original checks against Federal power that the Founders had put in place and the Progressives’ had to remove so they could expand their own power over the States.
    It wouldn’t really put the states in charge of confirmation; the Senate still would do that. What it would do is make the Senators, once again, the representatives of the state governments, as they were supposed to be, by having the Senators selected by their state governments, not by popular vote.
    selected?…how did that work


  142. John Difool
    143 | November 13, 2012 7:06 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I’m an honorary consul general, so I have inviolability, so they should not be able to cross my property. I don’t know if you want to get diplomatic protection involved as well,” she told the 911 dispatcher, who agreed to pass the information along to police.

    Wait, was this woman actual expecting consul protection from the Obama administration because her home was now an embassy?

    HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHahHaHaHaHa, boy is she a hoot.


  143. Da_Beerfreak
    144 | November 13, 2012 7:07 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Return control of the U.S. Senate back to the States by repealing the 17th Amendment. This would put the States in charge of the conformation process. This was one of the original checks against Federal power that the Founders had put in place and the Progressives’ had to remove so they could expand their own power over the States.

    It wouldn’t really put the states in charge of confirmation; the Senate still would do that. What it would do is make the Senators, once again, the representatives of the state governments, as they were supposed to be, by having the Senators selected by their state governments, not by popular vote.

    The States would have an indirect influence on the confirmation process through their choices of Senators. It’s a complex topic that really can’t be summarized in just two or three sentences. :grin:
    It really needs a book just to get started down the right path… :wink:


  144. John Difool
    145 | November 13, 2012 7:07 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    This woman got consulate plates for her car & was made an honorary consul member or general or whatever the hell it is.
    No way she wasn’t fucking Petraues or Allen or both of ‘em.
    They turned to her for consul-ation…

    Can’t wait for the new series to hit HBO next year…..Sex & The Citadel


  145. 146 | November 13, 2012 7:10 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Yep -- and she doesn’t get that resigning as Secy of State takes her completely off the public stage. Obama has absolutely no use for either one of them and you watch -- he will spend the next four years working overtime to destroy them politically. He’s got the Presidency for four years -- he’ll move what he can but in 2016 he’s off to the $20,000,000 estate in Hawaii to live off his pension, get his Secret Service protection and not give a shit about the country.


  146. 147 | November 13, 2012 7:11 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Yes it was -- and I believe Congress hauled Gonzales up to the Hill to answer for it.


  147. buzzsawmonkey
    148 | November 13, 2012 7:13 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Can’t wait for the new series to hit HBO next year…..Sex & The Citadel

    Ha!


  148. lobo91
    149 | November 13, 2012 7:13 pm

    @ John Difool:

    This woman got consulate plates for her car & was made an honorary consul member or general or whatever the hell it is.

    An “honorary consul general” has roughly the same powers that kids used to get when airlines gave them those plastic pilot wings back in the day.


  149. Guggi
    150 | November 13, 2012 7:14 pm

    Moe Katz wrote:

    Israel made me beat my wife.

    Oh c’mmon, commenters at the WaPo are now claiming the Petraeus/Allen/Kelly/Broadwell scandal was set up by Nethanyahu and the Mossad. Such comments get the highest ranking. Not kidding you.


  150. John Difool
    151 | November 13, 2012 7:14 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Yep — and she doesn’t get that resigning as Secy of State takes her completely off the public stage. Obama has absolutely no use for either one of them and you watch — he will spend the next four years working overtime to destroy them politically. He’s got the Presidency for four years — he’ll move what he can but in 2016 he’s off to the $20,000,000 estate in Hawaii to live off his pension, get his Secret Service protection and not give a shit about the country.

    Doesn’t matter, Obama neutered her back in ’08 & I don’t think she has any spirit in her left for any kind of fight.

    In fact, I think it drove her into being a raging alcoholic & she just want’s to retire back to her digs & hit the bottles.


  151. buzzsawmonkey
    152 | November 13, 2012 7:15 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    selected?…how did that work

    I believe the governor nominated the senators, and the state legislatures voted to confirm them.


  152. lobo91
    153 | November 13, 2012 7:16 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    selected?…how did that work

    I believe the governor nominated the senators, and the state legislatures voted to confirm them.

    Yup.


  153. John Difool
    154 | November 13, 2012 7:17 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Yes it was — and I believe Congress hauled Gonzales up to the Hill to answer for it.

    Bush caved on the firing of the U.S. attorneys even though it was standard practice & offered up Gonzalez as a sacrificial lamb to appease the Democrats.

    That was when I lost all respect for him.


  154. heysoos
    155 | November 13, 2012 7:19 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    Yep — and she doesn’t get that resigning as Secy of State takes her completely off the public stage. Obama has absolutely no use for either one of them and you watch — he will spend the next four years working overtime to destroy them politically. He’s got the Presidency for four years — he’ll move what he can but in 2016 he’s off to the $20,000,000 estate in Hawaii to live off his pension, get his Secret Service protection and not give a shit about the country.

    you sound almost as jaded as me…I don’t give anyone inside the Beltway a break…the presidency is being used as a pulpit of popularity, partying and the bastion of liberalism…it’s sickening to see so many Americans fall for this celebrity politics…I blame everybody equally….liberals by their action and conservatives by their omission and enabling…they all suck


  155. buzzsawmonkey
    156 | November 13, 2012 7:19 pm

    It would be good to go back to state selection of Senators instead of popular vote; I think it would hold the Senators to a higher standard.


  156. John Difool
    157 | November 13, 2012 7:20 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    This woman got consulate plates for her car & was made an honorary consul member or general or whatever the hell it is.
    An “honorary consul general” has roughly the same powers that kids used to get when airlines gave them those plastic pilot wings back in the day.

    Yea but don’t tell her that, she probably had to let a certain someone or someones stick it in places that it’s not normally supposed to go just to get those plates.


  157. lobo91
    158 | November 13, 2012 7:22 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    It would be good to go back to state selection of Senators instead of popular vote; I think it would hold the Senators to a higher standard.

    In some states, anyway.

    I doubt that it would make any difference in, say, California.


  158. buzzsawmonkey
    159 | November 13, 2012 7:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    An “honorary consul general” has roughly the same powers that kids used to get when airlines gave them those plastic pilot wings back in the day.

    I think there’s an “enhanced” status when you have big casabas.


  159. lobo91
    160 | November 13, 2012 7:24 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Jill Kelley, the Tampa socialite connected to ISAF Commander John Allen and former CIA Director David Petraeus, is an “honorary consul” of South Korea, a diplomatic official with direct knowledge of the arrangement told The Cable.

    “She is an ‘honorary consul’ of the Republic of Korea,” the official said. “She assumed this position last August thanks to her good connections and network.”

    The position of honorary consul is symbolic and has no official responsibilities, the official said.

    “She does not work as a real consul. They play a role to improve the relationship between the ROK and the U.S.,” the official said. “Jill Kelley helped to get support for [the Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement] and she arranged meetings between the ROK Ambassador to Washington and local businessmen when the ROK Ambassador visited the Tampa area.”


  160. 161 | November 13, 2012 7:25 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Tanker wrote:
    Clinton did that with all judges when he took office (his right to do). Bush fired 7 and all hell broke out! I wish it was so easy!
    No. Those were not judges. Those were federal prosecutors.

    they all look the same to me…I never claimed to know what I’m talking about

    The way some of these judicially activist decisions read, they damn near ARE prosecutors!


  161. Da_Beerfreak
    162 | November 13, 2012 7:26 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    selected?…how did that work

    I believe the governor nominated the senators, and the state legislatures voted to confirm them.

    Or in some States the Governor could appoint someone without the state legislatures’ vote to confirm them. As is done now to fill a vacant seat until the next election.


  162. Da_Beerfreak
    163 | November 13, 2012 7:28 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    It would be good to go back to state selection of Senators instead of popular vote; I think it would hold the Senators to a higher standard.

    It would also give the States more input as to what is happening in DC Town.


  163. John Difool
    164 | November 13, 2012 7:28 pm

    @ lobo91:

    And now it’s being reported that Jill Kelley’s cray-cray sister once was hot & heavy with Charlie Crist.

    This story is putting out just as good as all these women combined.


  164. 165 | November 13, 2012 7:29 pm

    @ song_and_dance_man:

    And Rathergate made him famous -- except he didn’t do shit in that, as we’ve later found out.


  165. heysoos
    166 | November 13, 2012 7:30 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    And now it’s being reported that Jill Kelley’s cray-cray sister once was hot & heavy with Charlie Crist.
    This story is putting out just as good as all these women combined.

    John Difool wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    And now it’s being reported that Jill Kelley’s cray-cray sister once was hot & heavy with Charlie Crist.
    This story is putting out just as good as all these women combined.

    we’re gonna need a chalkboard by tomorrow


  166. lobo91
    167 | November 13, 2012 7:30 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    And now it’s being reported that Jill Kelley’s cray-cray sister once was hot & heavy with Charlie Crist.

    This story is putting out just as good as all these women combined.

    I say we round up everyone involved and deport them.

    Maybe to France.


  167. heysoos
    168 | November 13, 2012 7:32 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    And now it’s being reported that Jill Kelley’s cray-cray sister once was hot & heavy with Charlie Crist.
    This story is putting out just as good as all these women combined.

    I say we round up everyone involved and deport them.
    Maybe to France.

    waterboard them for the details first…I smell a sitcom here


  168. lobo91
    169 | November 13, 2012 7:34 pm

    @ heysoos:

    waterboard them for the details first…I smell a sitcom here

    It would have to be a sitcom.

    Nobody would believe a movie with a plot like this.


  169. John Difool
    170 | November 13, 2012 7:35 pm

    @ heysoos:
    @ lobo91:

    There were quite a few rumors floating around a few years back that Crist was fond of dressing in drag & going to underground gay bars & liked to be penetrated with objects.

    If anyone would know & would spill the beans it would be these two sisters. You just know they’re going to get their own reality t.v. shows after this is all over with.


  170. Lily
    171 | November 13, 2012 7:36 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    darkwords wrote:

    @ 55 Speranza: I agree but he was too nice and the ads came too late. A Romney presidency would have stabilized the future of the country. Plenty of time to adapt to the new electorate. The defeat will make the adaptation faster.

    I was warning people about Romney not fighting back in June, July and August. Those 3 months cost Romney the election.

    Now the other side is complaining he was too mean and negative. So being more mean and negative would have worked against obama?


  171. buzzsawmonkey
    172 | November 13, 2012 7:36 pm

    Da_Beerfreak wrote:

    Or in some States the Governor could appoint someone without the state legislatures’ vote to confirm them. As is done now to fill a vacant seat until the next election.

    Back in the Progressive Era, when cities were smaller and there were more individually-owned farms, there were both urban and rural machines. Hard to believe now, but in some states rural political machines dominated the statehouses, to the detriment of the cities. The popular election of Senators was supposed to be a blow against machine dominance.

    At this point, however, the population of a state’s major urban center can dominate the popular vote; returning selection of Senators to the statehouse would go a long ways towards getting the process in balance again.


  172. Lily
    173 | November 13, 2012 7:38 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Yet he will be viewed as a hero by some Republicans. There is an element in the GOP that loves the purity of defeat.

    It really is a sickness. Show me a noble loser and I will show you a loser.

    Oh but if obama lost and threw a hissy fit all would be condemning obama for not being a noble loser.


  173. heysoos
    174 | November 13, 2012 7:38 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    waterboard them for the details first…I smell a sitcom here
    It would have to be a sitcom.
    Nobody would believe a movie with a plot like this.

    right, the BO admin is becoming a parody of itself…they already have the cameos down


  174. Guggi
  175. Lily
    176 | November 13, 2012 7:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:

    Obama just has a hold on people. The American people love the man. It’s just a sad fact.

    That there is the truth for once without the finger pointing. 1/2 the American people cannot see obama for what he is. How do you beat that? You can say this or that about Romney but this here what you wrote is what got obama re-elected.


  176. John Difool
    177 | November 13, 2012 7:41 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    waterboard them for the details first…I smell a sitcom here
    It would have to be a sitcom.
    Nobody would believe a movie with a plot like this.

    Broadwell’s drivers license was found in Rock Creek Park. The same park where Chandra Levy’s remains were found.

    It’s as if Tom Clancy, John Grisham & Jackie Collins all teamed up to write a novel.


  177. 178 | November 13, 2012 7:42 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Wouldn’t surprise me. I’d feel sorry for her, being married to that sexual pig, Bill Clinton, except that she was a complete enabler and dragged these women through the briar patch (or sent her surrogates to do it) and ruined them in order to further her political gains. I hope the rest of her life is lived as miserably as possible. Personally, I’d love to see BJ Billy ask her for a divorce so he can chase 24 year old poontang.


  178. Lily
    179 | November 13, 2012 7:42 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    Obama just has a hold on people. The American people love the man. It’s just a sad fact.

    No. The American people love the Dear Leader image they have been fed for five years by a treasonous press.

    They know nothing about the man, or his actions, or his administration, or the effects his actions will have on them.

    Excatly they voted for a mirage the press painted.


  179. 180 | November 13, 2012 7:43 pm

    @ Lily:

    If you can find a way to make Sarah Palin the villian, HBO will make it a movie of the week.


  180. heysoos
    181 | November 13, 2012 7:43 pm

    almost overnight, the mighty CIA has become a laughingstock, complete with dead people, sex and the greed for power….I’m sure our foreign assets are thrilled….unbelievable damage to our intel community…what’s next?


  181. Lily
    182 | November 13, 2012 7:46 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Teachers Face Investigations for Anti-Obama Messages

    Two public school teachers are facing investigations for posting messages that some perceived as critical of President Obama on social networking sites.

    In Rock Hill, SC, a middle school teacher was placed on leave after she posted a message on her personal Facebook page about President Obama and food stamps.

    “Congrats Obama,” she allegedly wrote. “As one of my students sang down the hallway, ‘We get to keep our food stamps’ … which I pay for because they can’t budget their money … and really, neither can you.”

    A school spokesperson said they had received several calls complaining about the eighth grade math teacher at Rawlinson Road Middle School. The teacher has apologized.

    A school official told Fox News that the complaints originated from pro-Obama supporters outside the school.

    “People outside the school system that saw her posting and some of them said they were offended by it,” spokesperson Elaine Baker said. “She used poor judgment according to our social media policy. Teachers are kept to higher standards.”

    Baker said teachers and school employees should “watch what they post on Facebook to be careful.”

    “Sometimes you just can’t speak out publicly about what you’d personally like to say, about anything,” she told television station WSOC.

    A high school teacher in Columbus, Ohio is under investigation after he posted what some considered an anti-Obama message on his personal Facebook page.

    “Congrats to those dependent on government, homosexuals, potheads, JAY-Z fans, non-Christians, non-taxpayers, illegals, communists, Muslims, planned murder clinics, enemies of America, Satan You WON,” the unidentified teacher wrote.

    A spokesman for Columbus City Schools confirmed to Fox News that the Linden McKinley High School teacher was being investigated – but he remains in the classroom.

    Yeah…go right ahead and sign those petitions on the White House website…

    Excatly.


  182. John Difool
    183 | November 13, 2012 7:47 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Wouldn’t surprise me. I’d feel sorry for her, being married to that sexual pig, Bill Clinton, except that she was a complete enabler and dragged these women through the briar patch (or sent her surrogates to do it) and ruined them in order to further her political gains. I hope the rest of her life is lived as miserably as possible. Personally, I’d love to see BJ Billy ask her for a divorce so he can chase 24 year old poontang.

    Why would she do that when he could drag some of that poontang back home to her. :)


  183. lobo91
    184 | November 13, 2012 7:47 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Lily:

    If you can find a way to make Sarah Palin the villian, HBO will make it a movie of the week.

    Get Aaron Sorkin to write it.


  184. Lily
    185 | November 13, 2012 7:47 pm

    @ John Difool:

    Is she missing?


  185. 186 | November 13, 2012 7:48 pm

    @ Lily:

    So being more mean and negative would have worked against obama?

    Yes, that is the only way to win. Romney never tried to destroy the Obama man-god image. He came close a few times, but backed away.


  186. lobo91
    187 | November 13, 2012 7:49 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    almost overnight, the mighty CIA has become a laughingstock, complete with dead people, sex and the greed for power….I’m sure our foreign assets are thrilled….unbelievable damage to our intel community…what’s next?

    The CIA has always been a laughingstock.

    The world would be a very different place if they could actually do 1/10th of the stuff books and movies show them doing.


  187. Lily
    188 | November 13, 2012 7:49 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    If it was something posted derogatory about Republicans & their followers not a peep would’ve been heard.

    As for me, I’m not living in fear dude, I look forward to being put on Jarrett’s enemies list.

    Assuming I & present company included haven’t already been put on that list long ago, that is.

    One shouldn’t call people who don’t sign it *living in fear*. Watching and waiting is purdent for many reasons.


  188. heysoos
    189 | November 13, 2012 7:49 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    @ John Difool:
    Wouldn’t surprise me. I’d feel sorry for her, being married to that sexual pig, Bill Clinton, except that she was a complete enabler and dragged these women through the briar patch (or sent her surrogates to do it) and ruined them in order to further her political gains. I hope the rest of her life is lived as miserably as possible. Personally, I’d love to see BJ Billy ask her for a divorce so he can chase 24 year old poontang.

    Why would she do that when he could drag some of that poontang back home to her.

    my thoughts too…srsly


  189. John Difool
    190 | November 13, 2012 7:50 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    almost overnight, the mighty CIA has become a laughingstock, complete with dead people, sex and the greed for power….I’m sure our foreign assets are thrilled….unbelievable damage to our intel community…what’s next?

    Bread & circuses, smoke & mirrors, dog & pony show, kabuki theater…..anything to deflect from the real scandal of 22 embassies burning and 4 people needlessly & senselessly dying.


  190. 191 | November 13, 2012 7:50 pm

    @ Lily:

    Romney should have went after Obama the person. But part of me thinks Obama is just politically invincible and Americans just love him.


  191. waldensianspirit
    192 | November 13, 2012 7:51 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    If we had any chance of winning this year it was with Mitt Romney.

    According to exit polls conducted by the Pew Forum, that wasn’t the case. Romney failed to make any gains among the demographic. In fact, 21% of Mormons voted for Barack Obama and only 78% voted Romney.

    Beating up on all others using the Obama win is counter productive


  192. lobo91
    193 | November 13, 2012 7:51 pm

    @ Lily:

    One shouldn’t call people who don’t sign it *living in fear*. Watching and waiting is purdent for many reasons.

    I see no point in raising my hand and jumping up and down in front of them.


  193. John Difool
    194 | November 13, 2012 7:52 pm

    Lily wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    If it was something posted derogatory about Republicans & their followers not a peep would’ve been heard.
    As for me, I’m not living in fear dude, I look forward to being put on Jarrett’s enemies list.
    Assuming I & present company included haven’t already been put on that list long ago, that is.

    One shouldn’t call people who don’t sign it *living in fear*. Watching and waiting is purdent for many reasons.

    Every movement, every revolution has to have it’s sacrificial lambs & martyrs to kick things off.

    You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.

    I offer myself up as one of those eggs. I’m not living on my knees.


  194. huckfunn
    195 | November 13, 2012 7:54 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    @ lobo91:

    There were quite a few rumors floating around a few years back that Crist was fond of dressing in drag & going to underground gay bars & liked to be penetrated with objects.

    If anyone would know & would spill the beans it would be these two sisters. You just know they’re going to get their own reality t.v. shows after this is all over with.

    New TV reality show. Real Penatratresesses of Miami.


  195. 196 | November 13, 2012 7:57 pm

    @ John Difool:

    There’s truth to that.


  196. Lily
    197 | November 13, 2012 7:57 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Lily:

    If you can find a way to make Sarah Palin the villian, HBO will make it a movie of the week.

    Excatly! OMG she didn’t abort her baby because he wasn’t PERFECT!
    OMG…she wears her hair up!!
    /it was insane.


  197. Lily
    198 | November 13, 2012 7:58 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    almost overnight, the mighty CIA has become a laughingstock, complete with dead people, sex and the greed for power….I’m sure our foreign assets are thrilled….unbelievable damage to our intel community…what’s next?

    That was a given with obama at the helm for 4 years..you think he kept our secrets from the enemy…LOL!


  198. John Difool
    199 | November 13, 2012 7:58 pm

    huckfunn wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    @ heysoos:
    @ lobo91:
    There were quite a few rumors floating around a few years back that Crist was fond of dressing in drag & going to underground gay bars & liked to be penetrated with objects.
    If anyone would know & would spill the beans it would be these two sisters. You just know they’re going to get their own reality t.v. shows after this is all over with.

    New TV reality show. Real Penatratresesses of Miami.

    Keeping Up With Kelldashians


  199. buzzsawmonkey
    200 | November 13, 2012 7:59 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    But part of me thinks Obama is just politically invincible and Americans just love him.

    Obama—and his backing and handlers—have been carefully constructed over several decades. People joked, before, about “the Manchurian candidate”; well, he may not have been built in Manchuria, but he is as much a construct as Laurence Harvey was in the film. That does not make him invincible; but it means that those who go up against him on a catch-as-catch-can basis, as any of the Republicans would have done, meant they were up against a machine that was already in place for defense in depth.

    Romney, having planned his run for so long, was probably the closest to a match for Obama’s backers—but even he did not realize what he was up against, was not prepared to do what was necessary to combat it had he realized it, and was hampered by not only his own decency, naivete, and ignorance, but by being undercut by his supposed allies.


  200. Lily
    201 | November 13, 2012 8:01 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    So being more mean and negative would have worked against obama?

    Yes, that is the only way to win. Romney never tried to destroy the Obama man-god image. He came close a few times, but backed away.

    I honestly don’t know with the media in the bag for obama that could have been done. But I’m not going to say you are wrong. My point is 1/2 the people in the United States didn’t know and didn’t want to know the mirage the media put up about obama. What’s done is done.


  201. buzzsawmonkey
    202 | November 13, 2012 8:06 pm

    I have said before, and will say again: if you want to know what Obama is, read the second half of Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man, where the narrator is built up by “the Brotherhood” (the Communist Party) into a community organizer/racial spokesman.

    The Brotherhood builds up hope in the community, then pulls the narrator out in a way that sparks a race riot. The narrator, realizing he’s been used, pulls out of the situation. Life does not mirror art exactly; Obama, unlike Ellison’s narrator, is a willing tool who either does not believe he’s being used or does not care as long as he gets his. But the creation of a bogus leader and the creation of division and discord are Obama all the way.


  202. Lily
    203 | November 13, 2012 8:09 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Romney should have went after Obama the person. But part of me thinks Obama is just politically invincible and Americans just love him.

    You know Rodan that is a very nice answer to me and I honestly think you are right here. I’m sorry for being hostile at times I sometimes see things differently than you and that doesn’t make me right all right all the time and often I’m not. I am only showing the other side of what you see. Doesn’t mean I’m against everything you say. One thing is I don’t want to see our side the mirror image of the other side. I am truly disappointed that the American people voted in a liar, a murderer, anti-American president….


  203. 204 | November 13, 2012 8:12 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I agree, Obama is an invention.


  204. waldensianspirit
  205. 206 | November 13, 2012 8:14 pm

    @ Lily:

    I am truly disappointed that the American people voted in a liar, a murderer, anti-American president….

    You are not alone. He really got away with so much that it boggles my mind.

    I sometimes see things differently than you and that doesn’t make me right all right all the time and often I’m not. I am only showing the other side of what you see. Doesn’t mean I’m against everything you say.

    I never took it that way. I just was warning people we were dealing with a political freak of nature.


  206. Lily
    207 | November 13, 2012 8:14 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    John Difool wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    If it was something posted derogatory about Republicans & their followers not a peep would’ve been heard.
    As for me, I’m not living in fear dude, I look forward to being put on Jarrett’s enemies list.
    Assuming I & present company included haven’t already been put on that list long ago, that is.

    One shouldn’t call people who don’t sign it *living in fear*. Watching and waiting is purdent for many reasons.

    Every movement, every revolution has to have it’s sacrificial lambs & martyrs to kick things off.

    You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.

    I offer myself up as one of those eggs. I’m not living on my knees.

    And you think I am??? For one you lie in wait of your enemy and not throw yourself in front of his army and get shot down immediatly does nothing to defeat your enemy you out-think your enemy and you make sure he doesn’t know you are his enemy. Purdent thinking.


  207. 208 | November 13, 2012 8:17 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Personally, I’d love to see BJ Billy ask her for a divorce so he can chase 24 year old poontang.

    Or Monica Lewinsky?


  208. Lily
    209 | November 13, 2012 8:17 pm

    @ Rodan:

    There in a nutshell is the truth…political freak of nature that has been groomed for a long time.


  209. lobo91
    210 | November 13, 2012 8:18 pm

    @ Lily:

    And you think I am??? For one you lie in wait of your enemy and not throw yourself in front of his army and get shot down immediatly does nothing to defeat your enemy you out-think your enemy and you make sure he doesn’t know you are his enemy. Purdent thinking.

    Exactly.

    Signing your name to some silly petition on the friggin’ White House website, of all places, makes about as much sense as volunteering to be one of the kids the Iranians used to clear minefields in the war with Iraq.


  210. waldensianspirit
    211 | November 13, 2012 8:18 pm

    The problem is not Obama. The problem is so many people feel like this regarding the Union of 50 States


  211. Lily
    212 | November 13, 2012 8:21 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:

    And you think I am??? For one you lie in wait of your enemy and not throw yourself in front of his army and get shot down immediatly does nothing to defeat your enemy you out-think your enemy and you make sure he doesn’t know you are his enemy. Purdent thinking.

    Exactly.

    Signing your name to some silly petition on the friggin’ White House website, of all places, makes about as much sense as volunteering to be one of the kids the Iranians used to clear minefields in the war with Iraq.

    I take this as a compliment coming from someone who was in the military. :)


  212. Mars
    213 | November 13, 2012 8:21 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    the author lost me when he said that M Bachmann has national acceptability, where here my dumbass self is repulsed with her brain dead, socon misery she wants to inflict on the rest of us…she’s a lunatic
    Bachmann is what we need to get away from. Her, Santorum and Huckabee are perfect strawmen for the Left.

    That may be, but she’s the only one so far leading the charge on the MASSIVE infiltration (yeah my ass, they were welcomed with open arms) of the muslim brotherhood in this administration.

    We need people willing to call this crap out get someone else doing it and she can go away.

    I say Boehner and miss lindsay are the real problem.


  213. Mars
    214 | November 13, 2012 8:29 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    But part of me thinks Obama is just politically invincible and Americans just love him.
    Obama—and his backing and handlers—have been carefully constructed over several decades. People joked, before, about “the Manchurian candidate”; well, he may not have been built in Manchuria, but he is as much a construct as Laurence Harvey was in the film. That does not make him invincible; but it means that those who go up against him on a catch-as-catch-can basis, as any of the Republicans would have done, meant they were up against a machine that was already in place for defense in depth.
    Romney, having planned his run for so long, was probably the closest to a match for Obama’s backers—but even he did not realize what he was up against, was not prepared to do what was necessary to combat it had he realized it, and was hampered by not only his own decency, naivete, and ignorance, but by being undercut by his supposed allies.

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/1979-article-ties-obamas-real-father-to-saudi-financier/

    There was a link on here the other day that had a great list of O’s connections and how it wasn’t coincidental. But, I can’t find it again.


  214. John Difool
    215 | November 13, 2012 8:33 pm

    @ Lily:

    That’s not how Independence in this country started to begin with. It started when the British massacred on folks who were peacefully protesting.

    Even after that it was the three percenters who actively engaged in sedition. It was the three percenters who met the British out on the field of battle.

    While the rest of the population either were indifferent or supported the crown during the war it was the three percenters who the British surrendered to at Yorktown. It was the three percenters who gave us a Constitution & a United States of America.

    I plan on being a three percenter and not a ninety-seven percenter.

    I understand your ire & concern but keep in mind, if there is indeed an enemies list out there you & I are probably already on it for the dissent we’ve posted on this or any other right-wing blog, Facebook or Twitter.

    I doubt you have to go to whitehouse.gov to sign some silly petition to get on their radar & jotted down on a list anymore. We’ve probably been on J-Nap & Jarrett’s enemies list for three years running already.


  215. Speranza
    216 | November 13, 2012 8:35 pm

    waldensianspirit wrote:

    According to exit polls conducted by the Pew Forum, that wasn’t the case. Romney failed to make any gains among the demographic. In fact, 21% of Mormons voted for Barack Obama and only 78% voted Romney.

    Beating up on all others using the Obama win is counter productive

    Well Harry Reid (a Mormon) did not vote for Romney. Mormons are not monolithic.


  216. The Osprey
    217 | November 13, 2012 8:41 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Evvabuddy in Cleveland got Obamaphone™!

    …and evvabuddy in Ohio gettin’ their welfare benefits cut back, now that Obama no longer needs their votes.

    Don’t worry, they’ll find a way to blame it on Republicans, and YT in general.


  217. 218 | November 13, 2012 8:42 pm

    @ Mars:

    Don’t even get me started on Miss Lindsey!


  218. Mars
    219 | November 13, 2012 8:50 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Don’t even get me started on Miss Lindsey!

    I don’t know anymore. I can’t help but think he and Boehner were actually desperately hoping O would win so they could start with that “bipartisan” nonsense again. God knows they wasted enough time the last couple years so they didn’t actually have to take a position on anything.


  219. John Difool
    220 | November 13, 2012 8:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Mars:
    Don’t even get me started on Miss Lindsey!

    Lately, Linseed has started to look like someone just hit him with some smelling salts vis-a-vis the Benghazi scandal but I’m sure he has a lot more let-down left in him.


  220. John Difool
    221 | November 13, 2012 9:09 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    And you think I am??? For one you lie in wait of your enemy and not throw yourself in front of his army and get shot down immediatly does nothing to defeat your enemy you out-think your enemy and you make sure he doesn’t know you are his enemy. Purdent thinking.
    Exactly.
    Signing your name to some silly petition on the friggin’ White House website, of all places, makes about as much sense as volunteering to be one of the kids the Iranians used to clear minefields in the war with Iraq.

    As incompetent as this administration is whitehouse.gov is probably the one place they’re actually not looking. :)


  221. lobo91
    222 | November 13, 2012 9:10 pm

    @ John Difool:

    As incompetent as this administration is whitehouse.gov is probably the one place they’re actually not looking.

    There is that…


  222. Mars
    223 | November 13, 2012 9:16 pm

    John Difool wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:
    @ Lily:
    And you think I am??? For one you lie in wait of your enemy and not throw yourself in front of his army and get shot down immediatly does nothing to defeat your enemy you out-think your enemy and you make sure he doesn’t know you are his enemy. Purdent thinking.
    Exactly.
    Signing your name to some silly petition on the friggin’ White House website, of all places, makes about as much sense as volunteering to be one of the kids the Iranians used to clear minefields in the war with Iraq.

    As incompetent as this administration is whitehouse.gov is probably the one place they’re actually not looking.

    That would be par for the course


  223. 224 | November 13, 2012 9:59 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    fire them, by the dozens if necessary
    Federal judges serve for life. They cannot be “fired”; they can only removed from office by impeachment—and it is not an impeachable offense to make an overbroad ruling.

    We need a Constitutional amendment permitting recall elections to fire ANYBODY employed by the federal government, whether they were elected to that office or not. The effect of the recall election should be solely to put that person out of his or her job.

    As a practical matter, nobody will bother launching a recall election except to get rid of the biggest fish, but there should be no exceptions.

    This could be used to get rid of crooks, crazies, and tyrants of every stripe, from POTUS and SCOTUS to generals/admirals to regulatory agency heads to cabinet members to senators/congressmen who have enraged their constituents -- you name it. In the latter cases, though, the recall election should be limited to their own state or district.


  224. Speranza
    225 | November 14, 2012 8:41 am

    John Difool wrote:

    Lately, Linseed has started to look like someone just hit him with some smelling salts vis-a-vis the Benghazi scandal but I’m sure he has a lot more let-down left in him.

    He gets his marching orders from John McCain so you can count on it.


  225. buzzsawmonkey
    226 | November 14, 2012 9:04 am

    1389AD wrote:

    We need a Constitutional amendment permitting recall elections to fire ANYBODY employed by the federal government, whether they were elected to that office or not. The effect of the recall election should be solely to put that person out of his or her job.

    Recall elections were one of the things put into place by the Progressives one hundred years ago in the states where they were powerful. You will recollect the huge disruption in Wisconsin earlier this year when the Left attempted to recall Governor Walker. That effort fortunately failed, but at great cost to the functioning of the state.

    Recall elections—do-overs—are a huge disruption, and a two-edged sword which can cut either way depending on the mood of the mob. The just-concluded presidential election should give anyone pause about the notion of inserting a new quick fix that tinkers with the electoral machinery. Quick fixes are always a disaster in the end; we have been talking here, somewhat, about the error that another Progressive quick fix, the popular election of Senators, has been. There is no substitute for an involved and informed electorate; no quick fix patch can compensate for the lack of it.


  226. friendlygrizzly
    227 | November 21, 2012 7:56 am

    @ Rodan: I couldn’t agree more, Rodan.

    When Santorum really gets rolling, he goes into these screeds about bestiality and paedophilia. He is so vocal about it that he comes across as a self-denying closet case. Another Roy Cohn or Terry Doland. In short, methinks the laddie doth protest too much.

    Huckabee seems no more or no less than a televangalist on a public-access cable channel.


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