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Drawing the wrong lessons from electoral defeats

by Speranza ( 148 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Elections 2012, George W. Bush, Mitt Romney at November 13th, 2012 - 8:00 am

How ironic that the much  derided “Jesusland” of 2004 has now twice helped elect the most left-wing president we have ever had. The recent election has some eery parallels to 2004.

by Jonathan Last

In many respects, the 2012 election played out as a close cousin of the 2004 contest. A vulnerable incumbent president in a bad political environment faced a weak challenger who lacked a core ideology and who articulated no clear vision for the country. In both campaigns the challenger chose to present himself as a default choice, rather than an insurgent. In both campaigns the president pursued a base-turnout strategy. And in both years the president won, by a margin of victory just around 2.4 percentage points.

The similarities continued following the elections. After Mitt Romney’s defeat, many Republicans and conserv-atives were caught surprised. In the days that followed there was fatalistic talk about how America had undergone a fundamental change. Some of this analysis centered on demographics. There was concern about a permanent shift in the racial composition of the electorate and about how changes in the institution of marriage—more divorce, more cohabitation, and later marriage—might be permanently increasing the pool of single voters. (The first worry seems mistaken: Romney’s main problem with white voters wasn’t that they were in decline—it was that so many of them didn’t show up for him. The second is more plausible.)

There was also a lot of talk about how Romney’s loss was a sign of a fundamental change in America’s character. People contended that this was no longer a “center-right” country. Or that the nation had turned its back on the free market. Or morphed into Greece. One of the more prominent lines of thinking was that the “takers” in America finally outnumbered the “makers” and that, per Ben Franklin’s warning, the electorate had entered a death spiral where it would continually vote itself more money. It all sounded eerily like Romney’s contention that 47 percent of the country isn’t responsible for itself and can no longer be persuaded by conservative argument. Doom to follow shortly.

The existential despair was familiar because liberals and Democrats said the same sorts of things immediately following the 2004 vote. Like Mitt Romney’s, John Kerry’s final polls before Election Day—not to mention the early exit polls on the day itself—suggested he had a reasonable chance of victory. So when defeat came, Democrats were both discouraged and shocked. And their first reaction was to conclude that America had changed in a fundamental way.

[……..]

At the New York Times the hysteria was even more pronounced. Garry Wills called Kerry’s defeat “the day the Enlightenment went out.” Democratic operative Andrei Cherny wrote, “On Wednesday morning, Democrats across the country awoke to a situation they have not experienced since before the New Deal: We are now, without a doubt, America’s minority party.” Thomas Frank identified the Democrats’ problem as being one of perpetual weakness on the “values” subject:

[………..]

Thomas Friedman swallowed hard and croaked that “what troubled me yesterday was my feeling that this election was tipped because of an outpouring of support for George Bush by people who don’t just favor different policies than I do—they favor a whole different kind of America. We don’t just disagree on what America should be doing; we disagree on what America is.”

This last bit of wisdom was distilled in an Internet meme known as “Jesusland.” The day after the election someone on a video-game message board posted a Photoshopped map of North America. Canada, America’s West Coast, and the northeast corridor were colored pink and labeled the “United States of Canada.” The remaining territory, colored green, was labeled “Jesus-land.” The map went on to wide acclaim and was featured on nearly every liberal blog and website in the land. There was a Jesusland book. The hipster songwriter Ben Folds wrote a song about it.

Four years later Jesusland elected the most liberal Democratic president since Lyndon Johnson while simultaneously handing his party control of both houses of Congress.

The point of all this isn’t to suggest that Republicans are on the cusp of a resurgence or to argue that all politics is cyclical. Both, or neither, of those things might be true. Rather, it’s a reminder that the future is uncertain. In 2004 Democrats believed that the culture of America had irrevocably changed. Then came the housing bubble, the financial collapse, and Barack Obama. Events happen, individuals matter, and the first lessons learned are rarely helpful. Or right.

Read the rest – The lesson of 2004

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  1. 1 | November 13, 2012 8:20 am

    Things weren’t helped by George Bush. His absolute refusal to confront the people who were demonizing him allowed the Democrats four long years to prepare the battlespace for 2008. Since then, they have spent another four years preparing the battlespace for 2012. We need to get a clue. We have to start now preparing the battlespace for 2014 and 2016. We need to be on the attack from day one about what a failure the Obama Administration has been. Look at the response to Hurricane Sandy. They are calling it “Katrina on th eHudson” in some places. It has been awful, but thanks to Chris Christie and a complicit media, it is being portrayed as a success for Obama. We need to attack that now. We need to go after Benghazi. And we’ll see what happens on the fiscal cliff. I say we really raise taxes on the rich. Not small bussineses, but the idle rich like John Kerry and Barack Obama. Go after the trust fund kiddies. Paris Hilton needs to pay her fair share.


  2. Speranza
    2 | November 13, 2012 9:02 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Too true. However we are not allowed to criticize Bush on this blog. /


  3. Speranza
    3 | November 13, 2012 9:03 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    I say we really raise taxes on the rich. Not small bussineses, but the idle rich like John Kerry and Barack Obama. Go after the trust fund kiddies. Paris Hilton needs to pay her fair share.

    I completely agree with the concept of soaking the rich (particularly Hollywood and the Wall Streeters) – they all voted for Obama anyway.


  4. 4 | November 13, 2012 9:05 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I say we really raise taxes on the rich. Not small bussineses, but the idle rich like John Kerry and Barack Obama. Go after the trust fund kiddies. Paris Hilton needs to pay her fair share.

    I agree. Raise taxes on people makinmg more than 1 million dollars. Raise taxes on people like Soros, the Kennedies and put a 30% Entertainmnet tax. They all vote dem anyway.


  5. 5 | November 13, 2012 9:05 am

    @ Speranza:

    Yup, give them what they want.


  6. 6 | November 13, 2012 9:09 am

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Too true. However we are not allowed to criticize Bush on this blog. /

    :lol:


  7. Speranza
    7 | November 13, 2012 9:09 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Yup, give them what they want.

    I have zero sympathy for them and Boehner better not try to protect them either. Elections have consequences.


  8. Speranza
    8 | November 13, 2012 9:10 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    @ Iron Fist:
    Too true. However we are not allowed to criticize Bush on this blog. /

    The greatest president in our lifetime – by far.


  9. 9 | November 13, 2012 9:11 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yep. We should punish our enemies. Even if we don’t get the taxes through, we put the Left on the defensive and make them violate their so-called principles. Why are they against John Kerry paying his fair share? The man has a yacht that he had built outside of the United States and he keeps in a neighboring state just to avoid paying taxes on it. Why don’t the Republicans attack that? John Kerry, millionaire parasite. The man’s never done an honest day’s work in his life.


  10. 10 | November 13, 2012 9:13 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Hollywood gets tax subsidies. Take it away. No tax cuts for Big Entertainment. We should start using class warefare against the Left.


  11. 11 | November 13, 2012 9:15 am

    @ Speranza:

    He was a good man and an awesome President. I hope his brother runs!


  12. Speranza
    12 | November 13, 2012 9:16 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    He was a good man and an awesome President. I hope his brother runs!

    He probably will.


  13. Speranza
    13 | November 13, 2012 9:18 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Yep. We should punish our enemies. Even if we don’t get the taxes through, we put the Left on the defensive and make them violate their so-called principles. Why are they against John Kerry paying his fair share? The man has a yacht that he had built outside of the United States and he keeps in a neighboring state just to avoid paying taxes on it. Why don’t the Republicans attack that? John Kerry, millionaire parasite. The man’s never done an honest day’s work in his life.

    A lot of these rich folks know how to shelter their money.


  14. Tanker
    14 | November 13, 2012 9:18 am

    How ironic that the much derided “Jesusland” of 2004 has now twice helped elect the most left-wing president we have ever had. The recent election has some eery parallels to 2004.

    What part of this “Jesusland” put Obama back in to office.

    Damn I think the anti-christian BS is creeping onto this site. Maybe I’m reading this wrong. I’m damn proud to be part of the Jesus voting block. The other is pure evil!


  15. 15 | November 13, 2012 9:19 am

    @ Rodan:

    Yep. Like someone I posted the other day said (might have been Mark Steyn) anybody can tear pages out of Obama’s beloved Alinsky. Anybody. Make them live according to their stated prnciples. They want high taxes on the wealthy? Well, let’s really tax the wealthy, and not small businesses. The GOP needs to brand itself as the Defender of the Middle Class and small businesses, and needs to brand the Democrats as the Defender of the PArasitic Welfare State. These happen to both be true statements. Fuck the rich. They don’t vote for us anyway. The Silly Valley techies voted for Obama. Now tax their asses off.


  16. 16 | November 13, 2012 9:21 am

    @ Tanker:

    What part of this “Jesusland” put Obama back in to office.

    Damn I think the anti-christian BS is creeping onto this site.

    This is post is not anti-Christian. The term Jesusland was coined by the Left to deride parts of the country that went for Bush. Part of that went to Obama in 2012: New Mexico, Ohio, Iowa, Virginia and Flkorida. That’s what this article refers to. It’s not anti-Christian at all, but mocking the Left’s use of that term.


  17. Tanker
    17 | November 13, 2012 9:22 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Yep. Like someone I posted the other day said (might have been Mark Steyn) anybody can tear pages out of Obama’s beloved Alinsky. Anybody. Make them live according to their stated prnciples. They want high taxes on the wealthy? Well, let’s really tax the wealthy, and not small businesses. The GOP needs to brand itself as the Defender of the Middle Class and small businesses, and needs to brand the Democrats as the Defender of the PArasitic Welfare State. These happen to both be true statements. Fuck the rich. They don’t vote for us anyway. The Silly Valley techies voted for Obama. Now tax their asses off.

    We know it won’t go down that way though! They will get an exemption in some form or other!


  18. 18 | November 13, 2012 9:22 am

    @ Tanker:

    Maybe I’m reading this wrong.

    Yes you are! :wink:


  19. citizen_q
    19 | November 13, 2012 9:24 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Take care, you are talking about the the next Secretary of Defense.

    I wish a sarc / were appropriate.


  20. 20 | November 13, 2012 9:25 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    We need to go after welfare for the wealthy.

    The GOP needs to brand itself as the Defender of the Middle Class and small businesses, and needs to brand the Democrats as the Defender of the PArasitic Welfare State. These happen to both be true statements. Fuck the rich. They don’t vote for us anyway. The Silly Valley techies voted for Obama. Now tax their asses off

    They put their Social Liberalism above their economic interets. Well let’s not persue polciies that help their economic interets. Let themn reap what they sow.


  21. Tanker
    21 | November 13, 2012 9:27 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Tanker:
    What part of this “Jesusland” put Obama back in to office.
    Damn I think the anti-christian BS is creeping onto this site.
    This is post is not anti-Christian. The term Jesusland was coined by the Left to deride parts of the country that went for Bush. Part of that went to Obama in 2012: New Mexico, Ohio, Iowa, Virginia and Flkorida. That’s what this article refers to. It’s not anti-Chriostian at all, but mocking the Left’s use of that term.

    Va and Fl in my mind are the only states on that list that used to be part of the Bible belt. Those have turned into Gov employee and Northern Snowbird havens. Never though of Ohio or Iowa as being on the list in the first place. New Mexico I know little about!


  22. 22 | November 13, 2012 9:30 am

    Tanker wrote:

    We know it won’t go down that way though! They will get an exemption in some form or other!

    nd we need to attack that. Class warfare can work both ways. Why should Silly Valley executives get tax breaks when small businesses are getting tax increases? Silly Vally isn’t the backbone of th eeconomy, small business is. We need to be driving that home, just as we need to be drivin ghome that Obama’s “Tax Increases for the Wealthy” are really a massive tax increase for small businesses. They are exactly what you don’t want to do if you are trying to pull out of a recession and reduce unemployment, but Obamawants us in a permanent recession, and he wants unemployment high.


  23. 23 | November 13, 2012 9:31 am

    @ Tanker:

    It’s not refering to the bible belt at all. It’s mocking the Left’s derision of the trem “Jesusland”. In other words, some of those states the Left mocked in 2004, went for Obama in 2012. Now the Left is not mokcing those states.


  24. 24 | November 13, 2012 9:32 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Why should Silly Valley executives get tax breaks when small businesses are getting tax increases?

    Plus Silicon Valley needs to be targetted. No more governmnet subsidies. Cut them off.


  25. 25 | November 13, 2012 9:34 am

    @ citizen_q:

    As I commented on th eother thread, with the Obama Administration’s policy towards Defense, it makes perfect sense that they’d nominate a traitor for Sec Def. Kerry will sail through confirmation, too. At least it gets him out of the Senate. Maybe Scott Brown can take his Senate Seat in the special election that they’ll have to hold. I still can’t believe the poeple of Massachusettes chose Fauxcohontas over Brown for Senate. Shameful.


  26. theoutsider
    26 | November 13, 2012 9:36 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    Go take a chill pill, IF


  27. RIX
    27 | November 13, 2012 9:37 am

    In retrospect this election was not really a battle of ideas.
    Those that disdain big government opposed by those that
    support massive government was the game.
    A cobbled together coalition of special interest groups turned
    out to \vote in greater numbers.
    It was a get out the vote election


  28. Tanker
    28 | November 13, 2012 9:38 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Tanker wrote:
    We know it won’t go down that way though! They will get an exemption in some form or other!
    nd we need to attack that. Class warfare can work both ways. Why should Silly Valley executives get tax breaks when small businesses are getting tax increases? Silly Vally isn’t the backbone of th eeconomy, small business is. We need to be driving that home, just as we need to be drivin ghome that Obama’s “Tax Increases for the Wealthy” are really a massive tax increase for small businesses. They are exactly what you don’t want to do if you are trying to pull out of a recession and reduce unemployment, but Obamawants us in a permanent recession, and he wants unemployment high.

    Lets just hope that’s the avenue our side takes. I really don’t have much faith in that happening! Even Ryan is talking about crossing the aisle to get things done!


  29. Tanker
    29 | November 13, 2012 9:41 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Go take a chill pill, IF

    I see you return! Any intelligent/factual input would be helpful. Any answers to questions asked of you yet?


  30. 30 | November 13, 2012 9:42 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Tell me, O wise one, what is going to happen to America when our National Debt reaches 150% of GDP? That happens in 2016, more or less. Do you think the economics fairy is just going to come sprinkle fairy dust on it and make it go away? What happens when the Chinese will no longer loan us money at an effective rate of 0%?


  31. 31 | November 13, 2012 9:44 am

    @ RIX:

    I’d been saying it was a get out the vote election for about six months. I mistook the enthusiasm I saw around me for Romney for the mood of the nation. I knew that places like California and New York woudl go for Obama, but I am surprised by Wisconsin and Ohio. Ohio was very close, but the takers outnumber the makers.


  32. citizen_q
    32 | November 13, 2012 9:50 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    I agree completely.

    Sickening.


  33. RIX
    33 | November 13, 2012 9:50 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    It was a get out the vote election & Big Labor & others
    got out the vote.
    The Catholic Church went way out on a limb ton get out the
    vote for Romney. Still the vote split.


  34. Guggi
    34 | November 13, 2012 9:52 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Things weren’t helped by George Bush. His absolute refusal to confront the people who were demonizing him allowed the Democrats four long years to prepare the battlespace for 2008.

    it started in 2001.


  35. Guggi
    35 | November 13, 2012 9:52 am

    Guggi wrote:

    it started in 2001.

    it started in 2000


  36. heysoos
    36 | November 13, 2012 9:54 am

    outsider wants to stifle Iron Fists comments…sound familiar?


  37. John Difool
    37 | November 13, 2012 9:55 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ citizen_q:
    As I commented on th eother thread, with the Obama Administration’s policy towards Defense, it makes perfect sense that they’d nominate a traitor for Sec Def. Kerry will sail through confirmation, too. At least it gets him out of the Senate. Maybe Scott Brown can take his Senate Seat in the special election that they’ll have to hold. I still can’t believe the poeple of Massachusettes chose Fauxcohontas over Brown for Senate. Shameful.

    Nominating a guy for SecDef who threw his medals over the Whitehouse fence,stabbed his fellow soldiers in the back by calling them murderers, was wined, dined & celebrated by folks like Jane Fonda & Tom Hayden for his traitorous efforts , actively colluded with the Russians against America’s best interests along with fellow Mass. Senator Ted Kennedy & actually has a section of a museum dedicated in his honor in Vietnam by the communist authorities.

    This is no longer being done by accident and after four more years theere will be no recovering from this.

    America dies last Tuesday night & there’s no resuscitating her.


  38. 38 | November 13, 2012 9:57 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Good morning.

    What do you think of the idea of raising taxes on people who make over $1 Million. Rasing taxes on the Entertainment industry and silicon valley?


  39. Speranza
    39 | November 13, 2012 9:57 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I’d been saying it was a get out the vote election for about six months. I mistook the enthusiasm I saw around me for Romney for the mood of the nation. I knew that places like California and New York woudl go for Obama, but I am surprised by Wisconsin and Ohio. Ohio was very close, but the takers outnumber the makers.

    Our ground game sucked a big one.


  40. theoutsider
    40 | November 13, 2012 9:58 am

    @ Iron Fist:
    I hope Speaker Boehner can stand up to his caucus, and say Let’s get serious.


  41. 41 | November 13, 2012 9:59 am

    @ Guggi:

    Yep, the Democrats think long-term. This all actually started before I was born. The Left have been working to monopolize the education and media infrastructure for 50 years, and they have succeeded very well at that. We need to think similarly long-term, but we also need to be preparing for the coming crash. Anybody with sense can look ahead to the wall where entitlement spending and interest payments eat up the whole budget, and our current rate of borrowing is simply bringing that day closer.


  42. 42 | November 13, 2012 10:02 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Our ground game sucked a big one.

    Yes, and that is what cost us the election. We simply didn’t get our vote out. Ohio was very close. A better ground game would have won it there. Now Florida is a different matter. Rodan told me that Romney’s people in Florida seemed to know what they were doing. It was very close there, but we lost there too. Our leadership failed us, and our voters faled us. This was the most important election since 1864, and too many on our side decided to sit it out to send a message to the Republican Establishment. Big mistake.


  43. John Difool
    43 | November 13, 2012 10:03 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ theoutsider:
    Good morning.
    What do you think of the idea of raising taxes on people who make over $1 Million. Rasing taxes on the Entertainment industry and silicon valley?

    As far as Hollywood goes, they do most of their filming in Canada or overseas now to get around hiring union workers, a lot of celebs live dually in other countries & hide their money there.

    Silicon valley outsources most of their production to southeast Asia & China paying low wages & providing brutal sweatshop conditions with no benefits while paying the government officials boatloads of money to look the other way.

    These are the real folks not paying their fair share but they get a free pass from Democrats because they donate & vote the right way.


  44. Guggi
    44 | November 13, 2012 10:04 am

    Speranza wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Too true. However we are not allowed to criticize Bush on this blog. /

    childish


  45. Tanker
    45 | November 13, 2012 10:04 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I hope Speaker Boehner can stand up to his caucus, and say Let’s get serious.

    Translation = I hope Speaker Boehner rolls over like the coward he is and helps screw America faster!


  46. 46 | November 13, 2012 10:04 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    I think the problem is the image of the GOP.


  47. John Difool
    47 | November 13, 2012 10:05 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I hope Speaker Boehner can stand up to his caucus, and say Let’s get serious.

    I hope the caucus tells Boner to go fuck himself & step down.


  48. 48 | November 13, 2012 10:05 am

    @ theoutsider:

    For what? Tax increases on the Wealthy? If you really wn to tax the rich, have at it, but you know that won’t bring in anywhere near the revenue that it would take to close Obama massive deficits. Nothing can close that hole. If you comletely cut out the Department of Defense, it wouldn’t bring Obama’s deficits down into the range of Bush’s deficits. Again, tell me what happens when our National Debt hits 150% GDP in 2016? What’s your plan?


  49. 49 | November 13, 2012 10:05 am

    @ Speranza:

    In Florida it wasn’t bad. It was in Ohio that was horrible.


  50. heysoos
    50 | November 13, 2012 10:06 am

    liberals and their celebrity politics mirrors Hollywood perfectly…it’s all based in fantasy…I say tax the entire entertainment business with ruthless abandom


  51. 51 | November 13, 2012 10:06 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    I hope Speaker Boehner can stand up to his caucus, and say Let’s get serious.

    Actually most Republicans support raising taxes on people who make 1 Million dollars. We also want to remove tax breaks for Silicon valley and Hollywood. Would you agree to this?


  52. Guggi
    52 | November 13, 2012 10:08 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Hollywood gets tax subsidies. Take it away. No tax cuts for Big Entertainment. We should start using class warefare against the Left.

    this I can agree :-) let them drink their own medicine but it will never happen. You could work together with the OWS groups (they wanted it btw.) and go after them.


  53. 53 | November 13, 2012 10:08 am

    @ John Difool:

    Boehner isn’t a war time consiglieri…


  54. John Difool
    54 | November 13, 2012 10:09 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ theoutsider:
    For what? Tax increases on the Wealthy? If you really wn to tax the rich, have at it, but you know that won’t bring in anywhere near the revenue that it would take to close Obama massive deficits. Nothing can close that hole. If you comletely cut out the Department of Defense, it wouldn’t bring Obama’s deficits down into the range of Bush’s deficits. Again, tell me what happens when our National Debt hits 150% GDP in 2016? What’s your plan?

    It’s already been stated & proven time & time again that even if you tax every single person who make over 250k a year at the rate Obama wants to it will only bring in about 80 billion dollars extra a year, or enough to run the government for 14 Days.

    That should tell anyone with half a brain it’s not the upper-middle class & rich who need to be taxed, it’s government that needs to be axed.


  55. 55 | November 13, 2012 10:09 am

    @ Guggi:

    Yes, tax thge rich they vote Democrat anyway.


  56. Guggi
    56 | November 13, 2012 10:11 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Go take a chill pill, IF

    Klappe, Dolm.


  57. Guggi
    57 | November 13, 2012 10:13 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Guggi:
    Yep, the Democrats think long-term. This all actually started before I was born. The Left have been working to monopolize the education and media infrastructure for 50 years, and they have succeeded very well at that. We need to think similarly long-term, but we also need to be preparing for the coming crash. Anybody with sense can look ahead to the wall where entitlement spending and interest payments eat up the whole budget, and our current rate of borrowing is simply bringing that day closer.

    leading from behind, infiltrate and transform.


  58. RIX
    58 | November 13, 2012 10:13 am

    @ theoutsider:
    I.F made a comment earlier about John Kerry being
    traitorous.
    Do you dispute that? Just curious.


  59. theoutsider
    59 | November 13, 2012 10:14 am

    @ Rodan:
    I’m with you there, Rodan.


  60. Guggi
    60 | November 13, 2012 10:14 am

    John Difool wrote:

    As far as Hollywood goes, they do most of their filming in Canada or overseas now to get around hiring union workers, a lot of celebs live dually in other countries & hide their money there.

    …then blame them for this and make it public. Go after them !


  61. John Difool
    61 | November 13, 2012 10:14 am

    In your feel good news story of the day…

    NBC UNiversal Lays Off 500 Employees

    You know that had to hurt like a mother considering how much hard work they put into getting Barry elected a second time.

    Where was their bailout?


  62. heysoos
    62 | November 13, 2012 10:14 am

    the laziness, corruption, duplicity and general lack of concern within the govt itself has to be worth a couple hundred billion a year…the waste is appalling….these people work for us and have no right to expect continuously raising taxes to pay for their fun and games….Romney had it exactly right with FEMA


  63. 63 | November 13, 2012 10:15 am

    John Difool wrote:

    That should tell anyone with half a brain it’s not the upper-middle class & rich who need to be taxed, it’s government that needs to be axed.

    Most voters apparently don’t hae the sense to see that. As long as they get theirs, they are content to look the other way as Obama and the Democrats borrow us into penury.


  64. John Difool
    64 | November 13, 2012 10:16 am

    Guggi wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    As far as Hollywood goes, they do most of their filming in Canada or overseas now to get around hiring union workers, a lot of celebs live dually in other countries & hide their money there.
    …then blame them for this and make it public. Go after them !

    Won’t do any good, the Democrats are beholden to them & worship the ground they walk on. They hold million dollar fundraisers for them, donate oodles of cash to their campaign efforts & get lots of free publicity from them.


  65. 65 | November 13, 2012 10:17 am

    John Difool wrote:

    As far as Hollywood goes, they do most of their filming in

    Canada

    or overseas now to get around hiring union workers,

    Not really. Our film industry here in Toronto at least is unionized. You can’t get a job on a film production unless you belong to one of many unions. I don’t know what it’s like in Vancouver. One reason there is a lot of film production here is the varying neighborhoods and downtown core that has stepped in for different American cities. It started really due to the huge difference in the USD and the CAD.


  66. Speranza
    66 | November 13, 2012 10:18 am

    John Difool wrote:

    As far as Hollywood goes, they do most of their filming in Canada or overseas now to get around hiring union workers, a lot of celebs live dually in other countries & hide their money there.

    Good points. No wonder they support Liberals – they’ve insulated themselves from the effects of liberalism.


  67. 67 | November 13, 2012 10:18 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I’m with you there, Rodan.

    Guess what, it will not happen. Boehner doesn’t have the balls to call Obama’s bluff. Obama will not allow taxes to go up on Hollywood and Silicon Valley.


  68. theoutsider
    68 | November 13, 2012 10:18 am

    @ RIX:
    John Kerry was a war hero. Enough said. Anyone that calls him a traitor, is either stupid or delusional.


  69. John Difool
    69 | November 13, 2012 10:19 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    John Difool wrote:
    That should tell anyone with half a brain it’s not the upper-middle class & rich who need to be taxed, it’s government that needs to be axed.
    Most voters apparently don’t hae the sense to see that. As long as they get theirs, they are content to look the other way as Obama and the Democrats borrow us into penury.

    If we have to raise taxes to cut the deficit, fine by me but you start taking an axe to government first to show us you’re damned serious.

    But as we all know they have no intention of doing that, they’ll raise taxes on every man woman & child while still growing government & adding more to the deficit & while everexpanding their electorate with government workers & poor.


  70. Speranza
    70 | November 13, 2012 10:19 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Boehner doesn’t have the balls to call Obama’s bluff.

    Quite concur!

    By the way Michael Moore hires non union workers on his films.


  71. heysoos
    71 | November 13, 2012 10:20 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ RIX:
    John Kerry was a war hero. Enough said. Anyone that calls him a traitor, is either stupid or delusional.

    what did he do to earn that status?


  72. John Difool
    72 | November 13, 2012 10:21 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ RIX:
    John Kerry was a war hero. Enough said. Anyone that calls him a traitor, is either stupid or delusional.

    Why, because Media Matters & a bunch of anti-war leftists says he is?

    Most of the military past & present think he’s a goddamned traitor, are these people stupid & delusional?


  73. 73 | November 13, 2012 10:21 am

    @ theoutsider:

    Unauthorized meetings with the NVA plus the aid and support he gave for the Communist Regime in his Congressional Testiomny makes him a traitor. And about that congressional testimony: either Kerry was lying, in which case he is a traitor, or he was a war criminal. Which is it?

    And tell me again, what is your plan for when the USA hits 150% of GDP in National Debt? I am very curious about that.


  74. John Difool
    74 | November 13, 2012 10:22 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Boehner doesn’t have the balls to call Obama’s bluff.
    Quite concur!
    By the way Michael Moore hires non union workers on his films.

    Michael S’more is very pro union……except when he isn’t


  75. theoutsider
    75 | November 13, 2012 10:22 am

    @ Rodan:
    Come on, The cliff is coming up . Boenher want’s to cut a deal as soon as possible. He doesn’t want to lose the house.


  76. Speranza
    76 | November 13, 2012 10:23 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ RIX:
    John Kerry was a war hero. Enough said. Anyone that calls him a traitor, is either stupid or delusional.

    John McCain was a war hero and the things your side said about him was loathsome (and unnecessary as he was taking a “dive” for your side). Kerry compared his fellow soldiers/sailors/Marines (in his congressional testimony back in the Spring of 1971) to the armies of Genghis Khan. As Casey Stengel used to say “You can look it up!”.


  77. 77 | November 13, 2012 10:24 am

    @ John Difool:

    Anything they bring in in new taxes they will spend. Obama will get his tax hike. I just hope the GOP makes it clear that thesre are the Obama Tax Hikes, and doesn’t let him blame them for something he is willing to destroy the economy to do. I also hop ethat when the inevitible negative effects of a tax hike in a recession happen they make sure Obama gets all the blame for it.


  78. heysoos
    78 | November 13, 2012 10:25 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Come on, The cliff is coming up . Boenher want’s to cut a deal as soon as possible. He doesn’t want to lose the house.

    where does the money come from to pay the donks debts?…how much debt is too much?…pretty simple questions


  79. 79 | November 13, 2012 10:25 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Actually most Republicans support raising taxes on people who make 1 Million dollars. We also want to remove tax breaks for Silicon valley and Hollywood. Would you agree to this?

    When discussing this “tax the rich” question, it would make economic sense to segregate “the idle rich” and “the productive rich”, that’s why I think the Capital Gains Tax should be looked at as wholly separate from taxes on income, or taxes on large pools of largely inactive funds “parked” in low-risk investments. Venture Capitalists should be rewarded for their risk, while some dude who makes $10 million for making a movie, or a trust-fund punk who’s living off the industriousness of an ancestor, not so much.


  80. RIX
    80 | November 13, 2012 10:26 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ RIX:

    John Kerry was a war hero. Enough said. Anyone that calls him a traitor, is either stupid or delusional.

    That’s another issue, but 62 eyewitnesses say that he is not.
    I asked about treason. Would collaborating with the North
    Vietnamese and VC delegations at the Paris Peace Accords
    qualify as treason?
    Your stupid or delusional slurs are really a mature tactic./


  81. Speranza
    81 | November 13, 2012 10:26 am

    Benedict Arnold was the foremost combat commander of the American Continental Army (the hero of Saratoga along with Daniel Morgan), and he almost conquered Quebec, yet you know the rest.


  82. 82 | November 13, 2012 10:27 am

    John Difool wrote:

    Michael S’more is very pro union……except when he isn’t

    He’s only pro union when it doesn’t cost him money.


  83. John Difool
    83 | November 13, 2012 10:28 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Come on, The cliff is coming up . Boenher want’s to cut a deal as soon as possible. He doesn’t want to lose the house.

    It’s not the fiscal cliff dumbass, it’s called the debt ceiling. Orwell was spot-on when he predicted “Newspeak” & the “Ministry of Truth”.

    Just another new word created by Democrats & their cronies in the MSM to trigger a fear response from the American public & stupid people like you buy right into it.

    Go read up on 1984….although I’ll bet you’re the type of guy who will be cheering for the government as usual when they raise your rations from 25 kilos a month to 15.


  84. 84 | November 13, 2012 10:29 am

    @ RIX:

    According to witnesses, didn’t Kerry take off an leave another boat to take enemy fire and only returned when he realized another boat in the area saw him do it and would have reported him? And let’s not forget that Purple Heart for a rice grain in the butt.

    Oh, and while we’re at it, let’s not forget his perjury and smears during his Congressional testimony.


  85. 85 | November 13, 2012 10:30 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ RIX:
    John Kerry was a war hero. Enough said. Anyone that calls him a traitor, is either stupid or delusional.

    Kerry wouldn’t make a patch on a hero’s ass. A Purple Heart does not, necessarily, a hero make.


  86. 86 | November 13, 2012 10:31 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Come on, The cliff is coming up . Boenher want’s to cut a deal as soon as possible. He doesn’t want to lose the house.

    Obama wants the rates to rise at 250,000. Boehner should insist 1 million. If he does this and Obama balks, then Obama is defending the rich.

    Personally I would let the fiscal cliff happen.


  87. heysoos
    87 | November 13, 2012 10:32 am

    Ted the Swimmer, Lion of the Senate…hero!
    some people are just too stupid to understand their own ignorance…to them BO is the Hero of Benghazi…what a bunch of fools


  88. 88 | November 13, 2012 10:32 am

    @ John Difool:

    I think what the Outrsider is talkng about is Sequestration and the cuts in defence that the Democrats are salavating over. That coupled with the tax hikes when the Bush tax rates expire is what they are calling the “Fiscal Cliff”. Obama wants to extract as much pain for the US economy as he can without having to take the blame for the inevitable recession. This is the Hand of Obama at work. He wants to bankrupt this country. That’s why he is spending a trillion dollars a year more than we are taking in. We aren’t getting anything for the money. It is all going to cronies and constituencies. We are cutting the size of our navy so that we won’t be able to project force around the globe, but we are spending money on “Green Fuel” for the remaining ships. It is all by design.


  89. theoutsider
    89 | November 13, 2012 10:33 am

    @ Speranza:
    I never said anything negative about John McCain. I supported him in CA in 2000. Your guy, through his BRAIN, Karl Rove, insinuated that Senator McCain fathered a child from a black prostitute. Remember that.


  90. heysoos
    90 | November 13, 2012 10:34 am

    JFK, against orders, shut off his boat and let his crew sleep….gets chopped in half by a destroyer that snuck up on him, got some crew killed….hero!


  91. theoutsider
    91 | November 13, 2012 10:35 am

    @ Rodan:
    We agree on that totally Rodan.


  92. heysoos
    92 | November 13, 2012 10:36 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I never said anything negative about John McCain. I supported him in CA in 2000. Your guy, through his BRAIN, Karl Rove, insinuated that Senator McCain fathered a child from a black prostitute. Remember that.

    whatever…how much debt is too much?


  93. 93 | November 13, 2012 10:36 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I never said anything negative about John McCain. I supported him in CA in 2000. Your guy, through his BRAIN, Karl Rove, insinuated that Senator McCain fathered a child from a black prostitute. Remember that.

    Speranza and I don’t like Karl Rove. Look at the hell I caught yesterday for calling out Rove as a loser.


  94. John Difool
    94 | November 13, 2012 10:37 am

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    Anything they bring in in new taxes they will spend. Obama will get his tax hike. I just hope the GOP makes it clear that thesre are the Obama Tax Hikes, and doesn’t let him blame them for something he is willing to destroy the economy to do. I also hop ethat when the inevitible negative effects of a tax hike in a recession happen they make sure Obama gets all the blame for it.

    Problem is Dems on the Hill with the help of their propaganda propogates in the MSM will just say it was Republicans who raised taxes on them in a time of economic meltdown & malaise since they control the House where bills originate & most of the American electorate who are too stupid to breathe let alone vote will believe them.

    Part of me wants them to go along with everything Obama wants just to see it all burn, baby burn…but the other part of knows this is just a few more miles of rope for the Republicans to hang themselves with making them even more complicit in their own demise.


  95. 95 | November 13, 2012 10:38 am

    @ Iron Fist:

    Like I said – just wait – by this time next year, the rich will be those making $100,000 a year. These tax hikes do nothing more than take money that could be used in the private sector for jobs, etc., and move it into government where they won’t make a dent in either the debt or the deficit.

    But no doubt the Fed will print more money. QE 4 5 and 6 under Obama.
    The price of gasoline dropped in Cali just in time for the election. People here think that Proposition 30 was all about Education and sticking it to the rich. They didn’t really focus on the new sales tax.

    Now Moonbeam is feeling very empowered – says he wants to “fix” Proposition 13 next. Sure, that makes sense – with foreclosures at an all-time high in California, by all means let’s go to work on raising property taxes.


  96. 96 | November 13, 2012 10:40 am

    @ Rodan:

    I don’t want to hear from Rove or any of the classless louts involved in the McCain campaign ever again.


  97. RIX
    97 | November 13, 2012 10:41 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ RIX:

    According to witnesses, didn’t Kerry take off an leave another boat to take enemy fire and only returned when he realized another boat in the area saw him do it and would have reported him? And let’s not forget that Purple Heart for a rice grain in the butt.

    Oh, and while we’re at it, let’s not forget his perjury and smears during his Congressional testimony.

    According to men that were there it’s all true.
    Kerry came home & co-founded Viet Nam Veterans against the War.
    Turns out much of the membership were never in country & many
    were never even in the Military.
    Kerry is a fraud.


  98. 98 | November 13, 2012 10:42 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I don’t want to hear from Rove or any of the classless louts involved in the McCain campaign ever again.

    We can not speak ill of the great Rove!

    :wink:


  99. John Difool
    99 | November 13, 2012 10:44 am

    Go over to HA & read on how Reid is short on votes for Filibuster reform. Seems more than a few of his own Democrats don’t want to give him & Barry unfettered access to the fire-controls to fire all torpedoes at the Constitution & the economy.

    HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa


  100. 100 | November 13, 2012 10:44 am

    heysoos wrote:

    JFK, against orders, shut off his boat and let his crew sleep….gets chopped in half by a destroyer that snuck up on him, got some crew killed….hero!

    And that was the incident that launched the Kennedy Myth, “Profiles on Courage” and all that rot. Curiously, I think JFK may well have been the last Kennedy to actually serve in the military (someone please correct me if I’m wrong). Military service is certainly not a political prerequisite, but it seems that someone in that enormous family would have chosen to serve their country in the military.


  101. heysoos
    101 | November 13, 2012 10:44 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Carolina Girl wrote:
    @ Rodan:
    I don’t want to hear from Rove or any of the classless louts involved in the McCain campaign ever again.
    We can not speak ill of the great Rove!

    guys a blowhard, an exceptional opportunist, nothing more…as for me, I consider him and his ilk part of the problem


  102. theoutsider
    102 | November 13, 2012 10:45 am

    @ Rodan:
    I know you guys are no fans of Karl Rove. I’m just saying that you both voted for his guy twice.


  103. heysoos
    103 | November 13, 2012 10:46 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    JFK, against orders, shut off his boat and let his crew sleep….gets chopped in half by a destroyer that snuck up on him, got some crew killed….hero!

    And that was the incident that launched the Kennedy Myth, “Profiles on Courage” and all that rot. Curiously, I think JFK may well have been the last Kennedy to actually serve in the military (someone please correct me if I’m wrong). Military service is certainly not a political prerequisite, but it seems that someone in that enormous family would have chosen to serve their country in the military.

    Kennedy’s don’t serve, they are served while they rape and pillage


  104. John Difool
    104 | November 13, 2012 10:47 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    JFK, against orders, shut off his boat and let his crew sleep….gets chopped in half by a destroyer that snuck up on him, got some crew killed….hero!

    And that was the incident that launched the Kennedy Myth, “Profiles on Courage” and all that rot. Curiously, I think JFK may well have been the last Kennedy to actually serve in the military (someone please correct me if I’m wrong). Military service is certainly not a political prerequisite, but it seems that someone in that enormous family would have chosen to serve their country in the military.

    Even so, ironically Kennedy couldn’t run as a Democrat today & would probably viewed as to the right of Romney or McCain.

    Boy, how far we’ve come.


  105. lobo91
    105 | November 13, 2012 10:47 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I never said anything negative about John McCain. I supported him in CA in 2000. Your guy, through his BRAIN, Karl Rove, insinuated that Senator McCain fathered a child from a black prostitute. Remember that.

    Which has what to do with John Kerry’s treasonous behavior?


  106. RIX
    106 | November 13, 2012 10:48 am

    Obama is meeting today with Trumpka & the SEIU as well
    as Move On in the White House.
    I wonder if they will have a tribute to Bill Ayers &
    Bernadine Dohrn?


  107. lobo91
    107 | November 13, 2012 10:49 am

    heysoos wrote:

    JFK, against orders, shut off his boat and let his crew sleep….gets chopped in half by a destroyer that snuck up on him, got some crew killed….hero!

    If any of the Kennedys were heroes, it was his brother Joe.


  108. John Difool
    108 | November 13, 2012 10:49 am

    RIX wrote:

    Obama is meeting today with Trumpka & the SEIU as well
    as Move On in the White House.
    I wonder if they will have a tribute to Bill Ayers &
    Bernadine Dohrn?

    Probably wanting to know where their pay-offs are.


  109. lobo91
    109 | November 13, 2012 10:50 am

    RIX wrote:

    Obama is meeting today with Trumpka & the SEIU as well
    as Move On in the White House.
    I wonder if they will have a tribute to Bill Ayers &
    Bernadine Dohrn?

    Yup, he’s hosting the radical left today, and some big business donors tomorrow.

    He won’t be talking to Congressional leaders until the end of the week.

    Show where his priorities are.


  110. 110 | November 13, 2012 10:50 am

    @ Rodan:

    I was on Rove’s side when they were trying to charge him in the Valerie Plame affair.

    And by the way, I want Colin Powell to schedule an interview and explain his sad sorry ass about withholding the information about Armitage. Thanks for your service, you national disgrace.

    BTW, didn’t the special prosecutor also know about Armitage and went after Libby anyway because he thought he could pull off the perjury charge?


  111. heysoos
    111 | November 13, 2012 10:51 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    JFK, against orders, shut off his boat and let his crew sleep….gets chopped in half by a destroyer that snuck up on him, got some crew killed….hero!

    If any of the Kennedys were heroes, it was his brother Joe.

    sure, I could have said so myself…at least he prevents an historical clean sweep


  112. 112 | November 13, 2012 10:52 am

    @ John Difool:

    John – I wonder if some of his folks also don’t want him to continue as Senate Majority Leader. Surely the dems have another liberal they can offer who’s a little more grounded in reality?


  113. RIX
    113 | November 13, 2012 10:52 am

    @ lobo91:

    Which has what to do with John Kerry’s treasonous behavior?

    At least Kerry never mentions that he served in Viet Nam./


  114. Buckeye Abroad
    114 | November 13, 2012 10:53 am

    MacDuff wrote:

    heysoos wrote:

    JFK, against orders, shut off his boat and let his crew sleep….gets chopped in half by a destroyer that snuck up on him, got some crew killed….hero!

    And that was the incident that launched the Kennedy Myth, “Profiles on Courage” and all that rot. Curiously, I think JFK may well have been the last Kennedy to actually serve in the military (someone please correct me if I’m wrong). Military service is certainly not a political prerequisite, but it seems that someone in that enormous family would have chosen to serve their country in the military.

    Lt. Kennedy should have been in the brig for that little caper, but daddy Joe “i like Hitler” Kennedy saved his ass. Swimmer got caught cheating on an exam in college, Spanish class IIRC, and expelled. He joined the Army to make pennace with dad, did his tour in CONUS and left service the same rank as he came in. A Private First Class.


  115. 115 | November 13, 2012 10:54 am

    @ RIX:

    Or that he was sent into Cambodia by Richard Nixon on Christmas Day in 1968 (seared into his memory, mind you).

    Obama’s considering Kerry for Secretary of Defense. At least that gets his ass out of the Senate.


  116. lobo91
    116 | November 13, 2012 10:55 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Or that he was sent into Cambodia by Richard Nixon on Christmas Day in 1968 (seared into his memory, mind you).

    Obama’s considering Kerry for Secretary of Defense. At least that gets his ass out of the Senate.

    But he still has the magic hat.


  117. 117 | November 13, 2012 10:55 am

    @ Buckeye Abroad:

    Yep, Teddy cheated by having someone take his Spanish exam for him. Which prompted my uncle to state “Physics I could almost understand – but SPANISH???”


  118. 118 | November 13, 2012 10:56 am

    theoutsider wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    I know you guys are no fans of Karl Rove. I’m just saying that you both voted for his guy twice.

    No I didn’t! I voted Libertarian in 2000. I voted for The Republican Presidential candidate in 2004 because I hated John Kerry.


  119. 119 | November 13, 2012 10:57 am

    @ lobo91:

    And that salute and “reporting for duty” during the Democrat Convention in 2004. Holy cow – talk about your major barf alert.


  120. John Difool
    120 | November 13, 2012 10:57 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    John — I wonder if some of his folks also don’t want him to continue as Senate Majority Leader. Surely the dems have another liberal they can offer who’s a little more grounded in reality?

    When I got to the meat of the article I noticed that it’s not so much they care about helping Reid & Obama further make a mess of things, it’s more they fear losing their seats in ’14 & then having filibuster reform turned back against them, but mostly their own political survival

    As bad as things were for us in ’12, we actually stand a better chance of gaining seats in the Senate ’14 because more Dem ones will be up for grabs in extremely volatile areas than vs. Republicans.


  121. 121 | November 13, 2012 10:58 am

    @ Rodan:

    GMTA Rodan – voted for Harry Brown in 2000 and W in 2004 for exactly the same reasons.


  122. 122 | November 13, 2012 10:58 am

    @ lobo91:

    Kerry as Defense Secretary is a disgrace. But hey, elections have consequneces.


  123. 123 | November 13, 2012 10:59 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    GMTA Rodan — voted for Harry Brown in 2000 and W in 2004 for exactly the same reasons.

    Kerry is a dispicable character.


  124. 124 | November 13, 2012 10:59 am

    @ John Difool:

    We just really, really really need to tell our candidates “think before you answer a question, and it’s not a crime to tell a lamestream media reporter that the question they’re asking is patently ridiculous and to come back when they have something of substance to ask about.”


  125. lobo91
    125 | November 13, 2012 10:59 am

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    Kerry as Defense Secretary is a disgrace. But hey, elections have consequneces.

    Considering that his main job will be gutting the military, he’s a good choice.


  126. John Difool
    126 | November 13, 2012 11:01 am

    I noticed theoutsider is posting longer than usual today.

    Reckon Starbucks knocked him from 32 hours week to 28 just so they could get out of paying any Obamacare taxes. :(


  127. 127 | November 13, 2012 11:01 am

    @ Rodan:

    He’s already talking Susan Rice for State, but we knew that. Unfortunately, he needs 60 in the Senate I believe and he won’t get it. Not with the lies about Benghazi hanging over her.

    So Hildebeest is going to leave. Now states she can’t testify before the House because she’s wine-tasting with friends in Australia.

    Dear Congressman Issa – it’s called a subpoena – serve her with it when she steps off the private jet.


  128. RIX
    128 | November 13, 2012 11:03 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Or that he was sent into Cambodia by Richard Nixon on Christmas Day in 1968 (seared into his memory, mind you).

    Obama’s considering Kerry for Secretary of Defense. At least that gets his ass out of the Senate.

    The Cambodia fairy tale should have been enough to
    disqualify him..
    Kerry joined the Navy because his father convinced him that it
    was a good career move.
    Oops, then they started patrolling rivers as well as the coast.


  129. lobo91
    129 | November 13, 2012 11:04 am

    @ Carolina Girl:

    Dear Congressman Issa — it’s called a subpoena — serve her with it when she steps off the private jet.

    I think we’ve already seen how this adminiatration treats Congressional subpoenas.

    Notice that Eric Holder is still walking the streets.


  130. Buckeye Abroad
    130 | November 13, 2012 11:04 am

    @ RIX:

    Kerry is a fraud.

    So is the whole democrat party. This isn’t surprising.


  131. John Difool
    131 | November 13, 2012 11:04 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ John Difool:
    We just really, really really need to tell our candidates “think before you answer a question, and it’s not a crime to tell a lamestream media reporter that the question they’re asking is patently ridiculous and to come back when they have something of substance to ask about.”

    Yes. Don’t fall into the pre-set social issues trap, we lost some winnable seats because of this.

    Fiscal fitness, the economy, defense….anything else doesn’t deserve an answer or warrant time.


  132. MikeA
    132 | November 13, 2012 11:04 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Buckeye Abroad:
    Yep, Teddy cheated by having someone take his Spanish exam for him. Which prompted my uncle to state “Physics I could almost understand — but SPANISH???”

    Thats what he was caught on. He may have cheated in other places also.


  133. 133 | November 13, 2012 11:05 am

    New Thread.


  134. John Difool
    134 | November 13, 2012 11:07 am

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    He’s already talking Susan Rice for State, but we knew that. Unfortunately, he needs 60 in the Senate I believe and he won’t get it. Not with the lies about Benghazi hanging over her.
    So Hildebeest is going to leave. Now states she can’t testify before the House because she’s wine-tasting with friends in Australia.
    Dear Congressman Issa — it’s called a subpoena — serve her with it when she steps off the private jet.

    Kerry really wanted the State Department because then he could collaborate with his communist Russian, Chinese , North Korean & Vietnamese buddies just like the good old days.

    But alas, always the bridesmaid, never the bride.


  135. RIX
    135 | November 13, 2012 11:08 am

    @ lobo91:

    But he still has the magic hat.

    Yeah, he carried it around in a false compartment in his
    brief case.
    He discovered his “Band of Brothers” (Former crew) for
    the campaign.
    Bet that the crew no longer dines with John and Theresa.


  136. RIX
    136 | November 13, 2012 11:09 am

    Buckeye Abroad wrote:

    @ RIX:

    Kerry is a fraud.

    So is the whole democrat party. This isn’t surprising.

    Well said.


  137. Speranza
    137 | November 13, 2012 11:11 am

    Rodan wrote:

    Speranza and I don’t like Karl Rove. Look at the hell I caught yesterday for calling out Rove as a loser.

    Rove is a pig and so is Hillary Clinton.


  138. lobo91
    138 | November 13, 2012 11:13 am

    @ RIX:

    I actually know one of those guys. He was in my former Army Reserve unit.

    The fact that he only made it to E-6 before reaching mandatory retirement at 60 should tell you something.


  139. John Difool
    139 | November 13, 2012 11:14 am

    Speranza wrote:

    Rodan wrote:
    Speranza and I don’t like Karl Rove. Look at the hell I caught yesterday for calling out Rove as a loser.
    Rove is a pig and so is Hillary Clinton.

    Karl Rove is like a leisure suit. Maybe at one time he was fashionable and served a purpose….

    Newt isn’t doing himself any favors writing for Politico either.


  140. Speranza
    140 | November 13, 2012 11:52 am

    John Difool wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Rodan wrote:
    Speranza and I don’t like Karl Rove. Look at the hell I caught yesterday for calling out Rove as a loser.
    Rove is a pig and so is Hillary Clinton.

    Karl Rove is like a leisure suit. Maybe at one time he was fashionable and served a purpose….
    Newt isn’t doing himself any favors writing for Politico either.

    “Leisure suits” lol! My Dad bought them in 1975 and ’76 and tried to sell me on them and I thought they were hideous.


  141. lobo91
    141 | November 13, 2012 12:06 pm

    @ Speranza:

    “Leisure suits” lol! My Dad bought them in 1975 and ’76 and tried to sell me on them and I thought they were hideous.

    Most everything from those days was hideous.

    Have you seen the movie Argo? Ben Affleck with ’70s hair and a beard is pretty frightening.

    He looks like Michael McDonald of the Doobie Brothers.


  142. 142 | November 13, 2012 12:09 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    GMTA Rodan — voted for Harry Brown in 2000 and W in 2004 for exactly the same reasons.

    I voted for the shrub both times. I truly despise algore.


  143. Speranza
    143 | November 13, 2012 12:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Most everything from those days was hideous.

    Have you seen the movie Argo? Ben Affleck with ’70s hair and a beard is pretty frightening.

    He looks like Michael McDonald of the Doobie Brothers.

    I saw “Argo” on Sunday morning. The opening spiel was factually wrong (Mossadegh was not elected by the Iranian people but by the Iranian parliament) and the fake drama at the airport was so Hollywood. Yeah I expected Ben (with his hairpiece) was about to wear bell bottoms.


  144. RIX
    144 | November 13, 2012 12:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:
    I

    actually know one of those guys. He was in my former Army Reserve unit.
    The fact that he only made it to E-6 before reaching mandatory retirement at 60 should tell you something.

    All you need to know.


  145. lobo91
    145 | November 13, 2012 12:31 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The opening spiel was factually wrong

    I was glad that the rest of the movie wasn’t as bad as that part. I seriously had my doubts.


  146. lobo91
    146 | November 13, 2012 12:34 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The 1970s technology was amusing, though.


  147. Buckeye Abroad
    147 | November 13, 2012 12:37 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    But he still has the magic hat.

    Yeah, he carried it around in a false compartment in his
    brief case.
    He discovered his “Band of Brothers” (Former crew) for
    the campaign.
    Bet that the crew no longer dines with John and Theresa.

    You didn’t read Unfit For Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry ? I bought it for my father right before the eledction in 04′. He said he was sick from rage after reading it.

    And he still has yet to release those +90 pages from his military record after he lost the election which he promised. Still waiting John. You lying, cowardly shmuck.


  148. RIX
    148 | November 13, 2012 12:40 pm

    @ Buckeye Abroad:
    Kerry is no hero, too many eye witnesses.

    He & Jane Fonda got away with treasonous conduct.
    But don’t you go five miles over the speed limit.


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