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A Reagan Renaissance means dumping certain overly influential people

by Speranza ( 196 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Elections 2012, Elections 2016, George W. Bush, Mitt Romney, Politics, Republican Party at November 14th, 2012 - 2:00 pm

As soon as Ronald Reagan left the White House in January 1989, certain forces in the Republican Party decided to roll back Reaganism and in this excellent article, Ralph Benko names them. Reagan is dead but Reaganism will triumph over the clique which has fed us such poor candidates recently.

by Ralph Benko

Liberals do not grasp the distinction between Ronald Reagan and (either) George Bush.   This blind spot creates a massive confusion and hazard to their ambitions. Obama defeated neither the Reagan Narrative nor Team Reagan.  Team Bush appropriated, and then marginalized, both.  Obama beat Team Bush, not Team Reagan. The implications are huge.

There was a touchy relationship between President Reagan and his Vice President George H.W. Bush.  They were rivals during the primaries.  Bush attacked the Reagan economic agenda as “voodoo economics.”  Bush served faithfully as VP for eight years but Reagan and Bush never warmed to one another.  There was precious little rapport between the populist figures populating the Reagan circle and the Eastern establishment retinue of the son of the patrician Sen. Prescott Bush.

When George H.W. Bush’s turn came he talked like Dirty Harry, “Read my lips.  No new taxes.”  When the moment of truth came, George H.W. Bush blinked, raising taxes.   His presidency was liquidated by the perfect storm of a Reaganite base revolted by the abandonment of a solemn campaign pledge plus a tax-increase induced recession.  Bush pere was a conservative and a very decent man.  He was hornswoggled by elegant Mandarins like Dick Darman.

George W. Bush, as good as, and more conservative than, his father, was hornswoggled too.  He campaigned on the theme of “compassionate conservatism.”  That phrase, like his father’s “kinder and gentler nation”, implied a certain pitilessness in Reagan conservativism.  The implications complied with the liberal caricature of Reagan.  Pitilessness, however, reflected neither the self-concept of most Reagan loyalists nor our splendidly humanitarian outcomes (such as the dramatic reduction of the Misery Index).  Real conservatives saw Reaganomics as a way of creating broad-based opportunity, not as catering to the rich.  It worked out exactly that way … in America and throughout the world.  The blossoming of free market principles — especially low tax rates and good money — brought billions of souls out of poverty, from subsistence to affluence.

In an intraparty succession barely noticed by the mainstream media the Bush forces supplanted the Reagan forces within the GOP.  Keepers of the Reagan legacy tended to end up at positions of respect and influence within the conservative movement.  For example Reagan intimate, counselor, and attorney general Edwin Meese III long has held a prestigious office with the Heritage Foundation, the flagship of the Washington conservative establishment.   Even though Meese was a General in the Reagan Revolution, though, his influence on a Bush cohort-dominated GOP — one that chiseled Reagan onto Rushmore while ignoring Reagan’s philosophy — is constrained.

Mandarins of the Bush (pere and fils) cohort sought and received mere token presence in the conservative establishment.  They sought, and achieved, rather, vast influence in the Republican Party.  Mandarin Karl Rove, comrade of Bush pere’s campaign guru Lee Atwater, became the dominant partisan figure.

The enormity of (and surprise at) the defeat of Romney is a huge setback — and perhaps fatal — to the Bush Mandarins’ hegemony over the GOP.  If so, the potential re-ascendency of the Reagan wing of the GOP will prove very bad news for liberals and excellent news for the Republican Party.  The Reagan wing now can resurge. A resurgence already has begun.

Many of the same Mandarins that delivered a stagnant economy to President(s) Bush had a hand, directly or indirectly, in misguiding McCain, and then Romney, to resounding defeat.  This catastrophic performance may discredit, permanently, Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie, among others, with the donors.  The Mandarins’ Svengali-like power over the donors was the major source of their power.  If even a substantial minority of the donors are fed up with Rove it will open the field for a generational change in party leadership … and direction.

The Reagan Renaissance

Dislodging the death grip of Karl Rove from its throat would put a new generation of political leaders in charge of the Republican Party.  The new conservative Republican leaders are strikingly formidable.  The leaders of the new generation, like Reagan, and Kemp, before them (and Kennedy still earlier), all recognize the power of the “rising tide lifts all boats”.

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And both the Bush Mandarins and Obama Consiglieres have complemented their politics of naked cruelty with policies of economic stagnation. A Reagan Renaissance promises to restore a political culture of hardball political decency, economic growth, and conservative values.

Eight Republican Reagan Renaissance Men are entering their prime. Removing  Rove’s death-grip on the party, with party donors now freed to pursue principled victory rather than a prestige brand name, the Reagan Revolution now can morph into a Reagan Renaissance.

The Reaganesque Governors

Mike Pence was just elected governor of Indiana. Full disclosure: this columnist headed up a tiny superPAC whose mission was to persuade Pence to run in 2012.  Many consider Pence to be Reagan 2.0.  He certainly is a figure who demonstrated extraordinary, perhaps unique, moral courage (and great judgment) in a lonely opposition to Rove when Rove was at his peak of power.  Politico, on the unsuccessful effort to sweep Pence onto the 2012 board:

“If he does run, it’s clear that Pence would particularly appeal to an element of the GOP that has always resisted the establishment and been wary of the Bush crowd — the kinds of conservatives who originally preferred Jack Kemp over the elder Bush.

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“’I don’t know of anybody else [in the field] who stood up to Karl Rove,’ said Benko, touting Pence’s opposition to No Child Left Behind, the costly prescription drug benefit and TARP.  ‘He has fought for fiscal restraint harder than anybody I know.’”

Pence, however, has a worthy gubernatorial rival for the Reagan mantle. Sam Brownback is a dazzlingly Reaganesque success as governor of Kansas. Brownback just implemented the largest income tax cut in Kansas history.  At the same time, he reversed a $500 million deficit into a $500 million surplus, reducing the size of state government by 4,000 positions.  Brownback’s state budget director, Steve Anderson, is pioneering a method of accounting that holds government programs accountable for their cost-effectiveness — just like private sector companies have to be.  He’s posted it to the Kansas Budget Director’s Office website for the world to emulate.  This is revolutionary.

The Reaganesque Senators

Three Senators stand out as leading New Generation Reaganites: Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, and the newly minted Ted Cruz.  (The great Jim DeMint, of course, has term-limited himself into the role of a deeply respected elder statesman.)

Rubio already has earned rock star quality, both for his personal charisma and the charisma of his ideas.  Rubio is a leader in presenting  prosperity-with-social-equity, fostering Reaganesque economic policies:

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Rubio leads the pack among GOP Insiders in the most recent NationalJournal Political Insiders’ Poll.   He’s built a major league team and is first tier.

Suave Rand Paul does not have the same “Insiders” appeal.  Yet Paul almost certainly will be able to capture the energy of many of the followers of Ron Paul, his retiring father, while continuing to champion a refinement of his father’s profound Jeffersonian libertarianism.  Paul will be formidable in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, a chance to catapult himself into contention.  And Rand Paul is far more Reagan Renaissance than Bush Mandarin.

The most interesting newly minted U.S. Senator is Texan Ted Cruz … who campaigned on a distinctively broad-based economic growth platform.  Mother Jones’s Tim Murphy calls him “the Republican Barack Obama.”  Cruz, in NRO:

President Obama has presided over a substantial dollar decline against gold and other commodities, and a highly unstable dollar relative to other major currencies. The volatile dollar distorts investment, reduces business confidence, and hampers international trade.” … “In sum, rather than take the proven path to economic boom — the path of Reagan, as well as Jack Kennedy in the Go-Go 1960s and Calvin Coolidge in the Roaring ’20s … President Obama has willfully added huge new costs and red tape on business, proposes a major tax increase starting on January 1, and has presided over a highly unstable dollar.”

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The Reaganesque Congress

In the House, three rising stars stand out as leaders of the Reagan Renaissance.  These are Kevin Brady, Jim Jordan, and, of course, Paul Ryan.

Kevin Brady, vice chairman of the Joint Economic Committee, makes himself a man to be reckoned with by a proposed comprehensive spending reform —   “the MAP” to cut federal spending fat by more than trillion dollars over the Ryan Plan.  Brady also gains national respect with his Sound Dollar Act — about which America is likely to be hearing much more, soon.  Brady promises thereby to place the growth potential of a rule-based monetary policy at the fore of the national debate.  With Obama re-elected, picking a smart monetary policy fight is among the smartest things the GOP can do.

Rep. Jim Jordan has made a smart crusade for economic growth policy a signature matter.  He promotes a five point economic growth agenda, including, unprompted, monetary reform.  It is reminiscent, in its simplicity and potency, of Reagan … and of Kemp.  Of possibly equal importance to his policy agenda is Jordan’s disposition.  Jordan — like Kemp — is one of few championship athletes to have served in the House. Athletes instinctively understand winning and losing.  They know that incremental gains are important only in respect of whether they bring one closer to final victory.  Jordan, a Hall of Fame collegiate wrestler, clearly understands the Agon.

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Economic growth and the equally important cultural, values, and civil liberties issues such as life, marriage, and religious liberty, are issues that were marginalized by the Bush Mandarins.   Yes, the Mandarins were kind of mostly against tax increases and kind of for some tax cuts and sometimes for spending restraint, except when they weren’t.  But the Mandarins were not obsessed with generating economic opportunity as was Reagan and his Revolutionaries. And the Mandarins proved far too squeamish to engage with the values issues which are both principled conservative and vote rich.  But the elitist Mandarins, not the populist Revolutionaries, seized control of the party apparatus.  And it was all down hill from there.

Neither the left nor the mainstream media understand the existential difference between the Reagan Revolutionaries and the Bush Mandarins.  Will the Republican financial, media, and other elites grasp this very critical distinction? Whether 2012 was the liberal triumph or the liberal last hurrah depends, in part, on whether the GOP Bigfoots notice the distinction and take heed.

If the party elites begin to shift some meaningful resources, and authority, to the Reagan Renaissance … as embodied by the rising new generation of officials dedicated to prosperity and moral courage … the election of 2012 will prove out not to have been a liberal triumph.  2012 will prove to be the calm before the storm as the Reagan Revolutionaries return from the political wilderness and settle in to generate the long-delayed Reagan Renaissance.

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196 Responses to “A Reagan Renaissance means dumping certain overly influential people”
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  1. Speranza
    1 | November 14, 2012 2:18 pm

    Via Powerline

    By the way, just an idle observation: our dummies, Akin and Mourdoch, aren’t in Congress, but Nancy Pelosi and Debbie Wasserman Schultz still are. Who’s the stupid party again?


  2. Speranza
    2 | November 14, 2012 2:18 pm

    Ted Cruz is an interesting candidate.


  3. Speranza
    3 | November 14, 2012 2:19 pm

    Now if only Rand Paul did not have Luap Nor as a father.


  4. Speranza
    4 | November 14, 2012 2:20 pm

    Mike Pence’s pleas to back off of the controversial social issues was correct.


  5. Speranza
    5 | November 14, 2012 2:22 pm

    If she does a good job as governor of New Mexico, Susanna Martinez would be at the top of my list.


  6. Speranza
    6 | November 14, 2012 2:22 pm

    Martin O’Malley and Deval Patrick are dumb and dumber -- therefore perfect Democratic candidates.


  7. Speranza
    7 | November 14, 2012 2:23 pm

    The author was right though -- Obama did not beat Reaganism, he beat back watered down versions of Reaganism that bore little resemblance to the real deal.


  8. Speranza
    8 | November 14, 2012 2:25 pm

    Speaking of dumping overblown individuals -- Fox News ought to reconsider Dick Morris and “the Architect” Karl Rove.


  9. Speranza
    9 | November 14, 2012 2:25 pm

    I am glad to see that Chris Christie was not on the authors list.


  10. Speranza
    10 | November 14, 2012 2:26 pm

    to say nothing about a certain former governor of Florida.


  11. Speranza
    11 | November 14, 2012 2:32 pm

    Read an article bragging how MSNBC is going to overtake Fox News.


  12. Speranza
    12 | November 14, 2012 2:33 pm

    In that article they wrote that Rachel Maddow is polite to conservative guests. I wondered “Which conservative guests?”.


  13. buzzsawmonkey
    13 | November 14, 2012 2:33 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Read an article bragging how MSNBC is going to overtake Fox News.

    If Obama manages to get his FCC to bear down on Fox, it could happen.


  14. 14 | November 14, 2012 2:34 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Now if only Rand Paul did not have Luap Nor as a father.

    I will not judge him by his dad. Rand gets it.


  15. buzzsawmonkey
    15 | November 14, 2012 2:34 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    In that article they wrote that Rachel Maddow is polite to conservative guests. I wondered “Which conservative guests?”.

    I think they use a different standard for the word “polite” than normal people would accept. I’ve never seen Maddow be polite; she doesn’t let guests finish a sentence. She’s like Chris Matthews, except more masculine and without the drunken barroom bluster.


  16. Speranza
    16 | November 14, 2012 2:35 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    I think they use a different standard for the word “polite” than normal people would accept. I’ve never seen Maddow be polite; she doesn’t let guests finish a sentence. She’s like Chris Matthews, except more masculine and without the drunken barroom bluster

    She does not scream like Olbermann (who never had an opposing viewpoint on) but she is contemptuous.


  17. Speranza
    17 | November 14, 2012 2:35 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Now if only Rand Paul did not have Luap Nor as a father.

    I will not judge him by his dad. Rand gets it.

    I still am a bit leery.


  18. Speranza
    18 | November 14, 2012 2:36 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    Read an article bragging how MSNBC is going to overtake Fox News.

    If Obama manages to get his FCC to bear down on Fox, it could happen.

    You know he would love to.


  19. Speranza
    19 | November 14, 2012 2:37 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    She’s like Chris Matthews, except more masculine and without the drunken barroom bluster.

    Matthews in a barroom fight would go down in two seconds. He is just a verbal bully who takes courage in alcohol.


  20. 20 | November 14, 2012 2:39 pm

    @ Speranza:

    There’s no doubt, and it would allow him to further demonstrate his contempt for the First Amendment. After all, freedom of religion may guarantee you the right to piss on a crucifix, but it doesn’t guarantee you the right to be disrespectful to Islam’s Prophet.


  21. Speranza
    21 | November 14, 2012 2:39 pm

    Speaking of dumping people, someone ought to tell Michael Steele to get lost.


  22. lobo91
    22 | November 14, 2012 2:39 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    Read an article bragging how MSNBC is going to overtake Fox News.

    If Obama manages to get his FCC to bear down on Fox, it could happen.

    The FCC has no jurisdiction over Fox News. It’s a cable channel.


  23. Speranza
    23 | November 14, 2012 2:40 pm

    @ lobo91:
    The Obots won’t quibble over technicalities. Watch them try to resurrect “the Fairness Doctrine” again.


  24. lobo91
    24 | November 14, 2012 2:40 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    In that article they wrote that Rachel Maddow is polite to conservative guests. I wondered “Which conservative guests?”.

    When has she ever had a conservative guest?

    Sorry…Meghan McCain doesn’t count.


  25. Speranza
    25 | November 14, 2012 2:41 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    There’s no doubt, and it would allow him to further demonstrate his contempt for the First Amendment. After all, freedom of religion may guarantee you the right to piss on a crucifix, but it doesn’t guarantee you the right to be disrespectful to Islam’s Prophet.

    “The Constitution is a living, flexible document” -- hasn’t he said that many times before?


  26. 26 | November 14, 2012 2:41 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I’ll take Rand over Santorum, Akins, Huckabee and the Ex Florida Governor (98-06). He wants to make the GOP more competitive. Plus he was the only Republican to call McCain’s bS on Libya and the Arab Spring.


  27. Speranza
    27 | November 14, 2012 2:42 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    When has she ever had a conservative guest?

    Sorry…Meghan McCain doesn’t count.

    Meghan and her two boobs don’t count and neither does Ron Reagan, Jr.
    I once saw David Frum on her show but you know what I think about him.


  28. Speranza
    28 | November 14, 2012 2:43 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I’ll take Rand over Santorum, Akins, Huckabee and the Ex Florida Governor (98-06). He wants to make the GOP more competitive. Plus he was the only Republican to call McCain’s bS on Libya and the Arab Spring.

    Oh I like Rand but the links to his father disturb me. Maybe when Luap Nor is in the ground I would relax.


  29. lobo91
    29 | November 14, 2012 2:43 pm

    @ Speranza:

    “The Constitution is a living, flexible document” — hasn’t he said that many times before?

    Let’s try that approach with other laws and see how they like it.


  30. Speranza
    30 | November 14, 2012 2:44 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    “The Constitution is a living, flexible document” — hasn’t he said that many times before?

    Let’s try that approach with other laws and see how they like it.

    Yeah like the Voting Rights Act.


  31. 31 | November 14, 2012 2:45 pm

    @ Speranza:

    maybe when Luap Nor is in the ground I would relax.

    His brain definitely is! :lol:


  32. 32 | November 14, 2012 2:45 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Neither do David Frum nor Andrew Sullivan.


  33. lobo91
    33 | November 14, 2012 2:46 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    “The Constitution is a living, flexible document” — hasn’t he said that many times before?

    Let’s try that approach with other laws and see how they like it.

    Yeah like the Voting Rights Act.

    Give Rachel Maddow $1 in her next paycheck and watch her scream.

    “Sorry…your contract is a ‘living document,’ and we decided to pay you less.”


  34. 34 | November 14, 2012 2:46 pm

    @ lobo91:

    They like it just fine when they are the ones, ahem, skirting the law. You or I do it? Not so much…


  35. 35 | November 14, 2012 2:46 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    If she does a good job as governor of New Mexico, Susanna Martinez would be at the top of my list.

    She would be very formidable.


  36. 36 | November 14, 2012 2:50 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Really? The only way they do that is dump their libturd lineup and hire everyone at Fox.

    Do you have a link to it? I’d love to read it just for the humor value.


  37. heysoos
    37 | November 14, 2012 2:50 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    If she does a good job as governor of New Mexico, Susanna Martinez would be at the top of my list.

    She would be very formidable.

    NM is a mere 2m population, and it’s federal dollars that keep us alive…not much of a challenge, plus NM governors tend to get sucked into the sewer sooner or later…but at this point she’s clean, well liked and doing a good job….kinda like the mayor of a big town


  38. lobo91
    38 | November 14, 2012 2:51 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    Speranza wrote:

    If she does a good job as governor of New Mexico, Susanna Martinez would be at the top of my list.

    She would be very formidable.

    She’ll be savaged by the left, just like Sarah Palin.

    She’s married and has a kid. She’s probably never even had an abortion.

    She’s clearly not a “real woman” by their definition.


  39. lobo91
    39 | November 14, 2012 2:52 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:

    Really? The only way they do that is dump their libturd lineup and hire everyone at Fox.

    Do you have a link to it? I’d love to read it just for the humor value.

    It’s ridiculous. MSNBC is probably available in more homes than Fox News is.

    They get killed in the ratings because they suck, not because of any conspiracy to keep people from watching.


  40. 40 | November 14, 2012 2:54 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    She’s probably never even had an abortion.

    Yeah, but at least she didn’t let a retard live like Sarah Palin did. That was her ultimate sin. If I were mentally disabled or involved with the mentally disabled, I’d have been appalled by the way Palin was treated over Trig.


  41. 41 | November 14, 2012 2:55 pm

    @ lobo91:

    Palin was demonize because the McCain team left her out to dry and didn’t prepare her. Susana has seen what the Left does and she’s an ex Democrat and knows the game. Any Republican will be demonize so I am sure whoever will run in 2016 will make a note of it.


  42. 42 | November 14, 2012 2:58 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:
    Speranza wrote:
    Read an article bragging how MSNBC is going to overtake Fox News.
    If Obama manages to get his FCC to bear down on Fox, it could happen.

    You know he would love to.

    Unfortunately, he can’t. He absolutely can’t go after Fox and let MSNBC stand where it is. Other news organs may not be all that fond of Fox, but when he tried to exclude them the last time, ABC, CBS and NBC stood up and said “nope, if Fox isn’t included, none of us will participate either.”

    There are good lawyers geared up on the right to take the asshat and his censorship rules on. And he needs to remember -- the Fairness doctrine means equal time also has to be given every time he gives a partisan speech (and this clown doesn’t know how to give anything BUT partisan speeches).


  43. 43 | November 14, 2012 2:59 pm

    @ Rodan:

    We need to demonize them. Whomever the Dems run needs to be portrayed as a cross between Vlad Lenin and Benedict Arnold. They will have been a disaster on economic and foreign policy, so it isn’t much of a stretch. Damned right I question their patriotism.


  44. lobo91
    44 | November 14, 2012 3:00 pm

    Well, I’m off to pay a visit to the brain-dead Obamabots at the local VA office.

    Should be entertaining.


  45. 45 | November 14, 2012 3:00 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    We need to demonize them. Whomever the Dems run needs to be portrayed as a cross between Vlad Lenin and Benedict Arnold. They will have been a disaster on economic and foreign policy, so it isn’t much of a stretch. Damned right I question their patriotism.

    You know I am a fan of Alinsky tactics. The problem is the GOP leadership is too scared to use them. The Dems are easy to demonize.


  46. 46 | November 14, 2012 3:05 pm

    @ Rodan:

    That comes from them being so close to demonic. We need to really go after them. The best candidate in the world isn’t going to win if they sit back for months and allow the Democrats free reign to smear them.


  47. 47 | November 14, 2012 3:06 pm

    Check out this tweet from Van Jones, Commie Extraordinaire:

    The attack on @AmbassadorRice is unconscionable. We need to defend her & FIGHT to ensure her rightful ascension to Sec of State.


  48. coldwarrior
    48 | November 14, 2012 3:09 pm

    George W. Bush, as good as, and more conservative than, his father, was hornswoggled too. He campaigned on the theme of “compassionate conservatism.” That phrase, like his father’s “kinder and gentler nation”, implied a certain pitilessness in Reagan conservativism.

    plus ‘islam is a region of peace’ comment after 9/11 were very very telling indeed.

    we have had a generation of bushies. time to ditch ‘em and move on.


  49. 49 | November 14, 2012 3:09 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Hard to do without the media and entertainment to help us. Sure we have Fox News and we have talk radio and our interwebz -- but they have regular television programming. Want a cheap laugh for your TV show -- insert a joke about Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin. Now let’s add Mitt Romney to the list.

    I always took a special sense of satisfaction that try as he might, David Letterman could never get Sarah Palin or Mitt Romney to come on his show -- I understand he tried everything behind the scenes -- both told him “no.” However, Sarah would go on Leno’s show and Ol’ Bucktooth would get killed in the ratings that night.


  50. 50 | November 14, 2012 3:16 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    W could have transcended politics and became the War Leader that we needed. If he had done that, he’d have been remembered as a great president. As it is, you have to reckon him a failure. Yes, we “succeeded” in Iraq, kind of sort of, but he abandoned the Party in choosing his successor and led to Obama, and that led to us really losing in Iraq and Afghanistan.


  51. yenta-fada
    51 | November 14, 2012 3:19 pm

    I think this is huge news. Ex-NJ Governor, John Corzine, starts getting blamed for massive fraud. I don’t know if this is an exercise in blaming the other guy, but it certainly is a good start if they intend to dump Corzine in jail for stealing OPM.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/14/us-mfglobal-congress-idUSBRE8AD1EH20121114


  52. Speranza
    52 | November 14, 2012 3:19 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Give Rachel Maddow $1 in her next paycheck and watch her scream.

    “Sorry…your contract is a ‘living document,’ and we decided to pay you less.”

    Heh now I would pay to see that.


  53. Speranza
    53 | November 14, 2012 3:21 pm

    yenta-fada wrote:

    I think this is huge news. Ex-NJ Governor, John Corzine, starts getting blamed for massive fraud. I don’t know if this is an exercise in blaming the other guy, but it certainly is a good start if they intend to dump Corzine in jail for stealing OPM.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/14/us-mfglobal-congress-idUSBRE8AD1EH20121114

    It would have been nice if the GOP had run some ads tying Corzine in with Obama and showing Corzine’s ugly face on them.


  54. coldwarrior
    54 | November 14, 2012 3:22 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    since 2001 the score is:

    the caliphate 11

    usa 0

    terrorism works


  55. Speranza
    55 | November 14, 2012 3:22 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    W could have transcended politics and became the War Leader that we needed. If he had done that, he’d have been remembered as a great president. As it is, you have to reckon him a failure. Yes, we “succeeded” in Iraq, kind of sort of, but he abandoned the Party in choosing his successor and led to Obama, and that led to us really losing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    At best he was a C+ president.


  56. Speranza
    56 | November 14, 2012 3:23 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    we have had a generation of bushies. time to ditch ‘em and move on.

    Hey be careful when you write that here.


  57. Speranza
    57 | November 14, 2012 3:24 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Check out this tweet from Van Jones, Commie Extraordinaire:

    The attack on @AmbassadorRice is unconscionable. We need to defend her & FIGHT to ensure her rightful ascension to Sec of State.

    I am starting to think that twitter (outside of maybe Karaoke) is one of the worst inventions ever.


  58. coldwarrior
    58 | November 14, 2012 3:24 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    It would have been nice if the GOP had run some ads tying Corzine in with Obama and showing Corzine’s ugly face on them.

    yeah….i like that idea


  59. waldensianspirit
  60. 60 | November 14, 2012 3:25 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I don’t disagree. That’s why I would have destroyed Afghanistan utterly. Terrorism works both ways, and most Mohammedans don’t really want to die for their religion. We needed to convince enough of them we meant business in order to win. Instead, Bush came out with his “Religion of Peace” plattitudes, and the reast is history. Now we’ve re-elected Obama. By the end of his second term Iran will have nukes. They may have already used them by the end of Obama’s second term.


  61. heysoos
    61 | November 14, 2012 3:25 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    since 2001 the score is:
    the caliphate 11
    usa 0
    terrorism works

    that could change in the blink of an eye…btw, when is someone gonna ask the yes or no question, are you going to defend Israel with military force?


  62. Speranza
    62 | November 14, 2012 3:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Palin was demonize because the McCain team left her out to dry and didn’t prepare her. Susana has seen what the Left does and she’s an ex Democrat and knows the game. Any Republican will be demonize so I am sure whoever will run in 2016 will make a note of it.

    Palin was sabotaged from the get-go by the ugly bald headed Steven Schmdit and the jealous Nicolle Wallace. (someone ought to tell her that Nicole is with one “l”).


  63. 63 | November 14, 2012 3:26 pm

    Speranza -- well they better get “successful” at MSNBC soon, cuz check this out:

    (LATIMES) — In a round of year-end belt tightening, NBCUniversal is cutting about 500 employees, or about 1.5% of its total workforce.

    The cuts are distributed throughout the media company, which boasts nearly 30,000 employees, according to a person close to the situation who asked not to be identified discussing the sensitive topic.

    Some of the layoffs have already occurred. Two months ago, “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno” eliminated about two dozen of its crew in an effort to reduce the late-night program’s budget.

    A large percentage of the cuts came from the tiny G4 cable channel, which celebrates video game culture. Last month, the channel canceled two of its signature and long-running shows, “Attack of the Show!” and “X-Play,” leading to the departures of several dozen people.

    MSNBC is the Amtrak of cable television news. They couldn’t even hold an audience during the debates. You KNOW NBC is propping them up because I’m willing to bet the advertising revenues aren’t there. And the conservatives are calling more and more for boycotts of their advertisers.


  64. Speranza
    64 | November 14, 2012 3:27 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    It would have been nice if the GOP had run some ads tying Corzine in with Obama and showing Corzine’s ugly face on them.

    yeah….i like that idea

    Duh he was such an obvious target -- in line to be the next Treasury Secretary.


  65. 65 | November 14, 2012 3:28 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Interesting that the UBER villainess of the show “Law and Order: Criminal Intent” was a character named Nicole Wallace.


  66. Speranza
    66 | November 14, 2012 3:28 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    MSNBC is the Amtrak of cable television news. They couldn’t even hold an audience during the debates. You KNOW NBC is propping them up because I’m willing to bet the advertising revenues aren’t there. And the conservatives are calling more and more for boycotts of their advertisers.

    I don’t believe in advertiser boycotts but PMSNBC is such a low class outfit filled with homicidal maniacs such as O’Donnell, Matthews and Ratigan.


  67. 67 | November 14, 2012 3:29 pm

    @ Speranza:

    That is because he didn’t choose to fight the war that was before him. He wasn’t really that bad. Sandy is looking to be about as bad as Katrina, but Bush had the press (even Fox News) against him, and he wouldn’t fight back. People don’t respect someone who won’t figh tback. The same may be part of why Romney lost this time. For months Obama attacked him unanswered, and even when he finally started running ads, he didn’t really fight back. People simply don’t respect a loser who sits back and takes it.


  68. yenta-fada
    68 | November 14, 2012 3:30 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Check out this tweet from Van Jones, Commie Extraordinaire:
    The attack on @AmbassadorRice is unconscionable. We need to defend her & FIGHT to ensure her rightful ascension to Sec of State.

    The use of the word “ascension” certainly sounds like a Biblical term, doesn’t it? Jones confuses totalitarianism with God-like powers, imo. Very odd choice of words.


  69. Speranza
    69 | November 14, 2012 3:31 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Interesting that the UBER villainess of the show “Law and Order: Criminal Intent” was a character named Nicole Wallace.

    I do remember that one. She was that hot looking blonde from Australia.
    All the Law & Order franchises were left wing. If you watched L & O over the years you would come to the conclusion that all homicides in Manhattan are committed by filthy rich white people who live in luxurious town houses on the Upper East Side or West Village.


  70. 70 | November 14, 2012 3:31 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    btw, when is someone gonna ask the yes or no question, are you going to defend Israel with military force?

    The answer from Obama is NO. He’ll robably letgo with an “Allahu ackbar!” if Iran nukes Tel Aviv. The man hates Jews. It really is that simple.


  71. 71 | November 14, 2012 3:32 pm

    National Papa John’s Day on Friday, folks.
    He told the truth about Obamacare and is being smeared as a racist.


  72. Speranza
    72 | November 14, 2012 3:32 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    but Bush had the press (even Fox News) against him, and he wouldn’t fight back

    He was in my opinion a political coward. Yes I would take him over Obama any day of the week and twice on Sundays but I do not miss him at all.


  73. 73 | November 14, 2012 3:33 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Yep. Surprisingly, Michael Moriarty quit after Season 3 because Janet Reno was trying to censor television.


  74. 74 | November 14, 2012 3:33 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    let me know when the GOP learns how to fight dirty. I hope to see it once in my lifetime.

    Lee Atwater is surely missed.


  75. Speranza
    75 | November 14, 2012 3:34 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Yep. Surprisingly, Michael Moriarty quit after Season 3 because Janet Reno was trying to censor television.

    Rene Balcer the Executive Producer (and a huge lefty, of course) wanted to get rid of Fred Thompson. The Sam Waterston character never cracked a smile ever on that show.


  76. coldwarrior
    76 | November 14, 2012 3:35 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    That’s why I would have destroyed Afghanistan utterly.

    destroy and out.

    like a walk off home run.


  77. Speranza
    77 | November 14, 2012 3:35 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    let me know when the GOP learns how to fight dirty. I hope to see it once in my lifetime.
    Lee Atwater is surely missed.

    He defintiely was missed.
    By the way David Axelrod is the Democrats version of Karl Rove.


  78. 78 | November 14, 2012 3:36 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I’m not all that much of one either, but after they pulled their advertising from Rush or from Beck because the left tells them to, I rather enjoy paying them back in kind.

    Sleep Train is the best example. Sleep Train was one of the first sponsors of Rush when he was based in Sacramento and pulled their ads after the “slut” comment. Well, Rush’s listeners had no trouble pulling their business from Sleep Train -- Sleep Train then wanted to get back on the air with Rush and he said no. Same with Select Comfort.

    Meanwhile, both entities advertise on MSLSD, which has no trouble calling conservatives RAAAACISTs every chance they get.


  79. Speranza
    79 | November 14, 2012 3:36 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Yep. Surprisingly, Michael Moriarty quit after Season 3 because Janet Reno was trying to censor television.

    I liked the Michael Moriarty character on that show.


  80. 80 | November 14, 2012 3:36 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    we have had a generation of bushies. time to ditch ‘em and move on.

    Oh Oh, you have insulted those who can’t be insulted!


  81. Speranza
    81 | November 14, 2012 3:37 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Sleep Train is the best example. Sleep Train was one of the first sponsors of Rush when he was based in Sacramento and pulled their ads after the “slut” comment. Well, Rush’s listeners had no trouble pulling their business from Sleep Train — Sleep Train then wanted to get back on the air with Rush and he said no. Same with Select Comfort.

    I support counter boycotts.


  82. Speranza
    82 | November 14, 2012 3:38 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    we have had a generation of bushies. time to ditch ‘em and move on.

    Oh Oh, you have insulted those who can’t be insulted!

    Incoming! Duck!!!


  83. 83 | November 14, 2012 3:38 pm

    @ Speranza:

    The difference is Axelrod actually wins elections.


  84. 84 | November 14, 2012 3:38 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Is that an understatement.


  85. 85 | November 14, 2012 3:39 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    Hey maybe Pakistan and Iran will nuke each other!


  86. coldwarrior
    86 | November 14, 2012 3:39 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    National Papa John’s Day on Friday, folks.
    He told the truth about Obamacare and is being smeared as a racist.

    i love buycotts!


  87. 87 | November 14, 2012 3:41 pm

    On the positive side, the Stock Market is down another 155 points today… :twisted:


  88. heysoos
    88 | November 14, 2012 3:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Hey maybe Pakistan and Iran will nuke each other!

    forget acid and AK’s…get serious


  89. coldwarrior
    89 | November 14, 2012 3:41 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    let me know when the GOP learns how to fight dirty. I hope to see it once in my lifetime.
    Lee Atwater is surely missed.

    hell, at this point i’ll be happy with just fight!


  90. buzzsawmonkey
    90 | November 14, 2012 3:42 pm

    It would be nice if the GOP stopped being Bush league.


  91. 91 | November 14, 2012 3:42 pm

    @ Speranza:

    He was my TV boyfriend. Still is whenever he shows up — not a bad jazz piano player either.


  92. Speranza
    92 | November 14, 2012 3:42 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    The difference is Axelrod actually wins elections.

    Quite true.


  93. 93 | November 14, 2012 3:43 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    It would be nice if the GOP stopped being Bush league.

    It would be even nicer is the GOP just stopped BEING at all..


  94. Speranza
    94 | November 14, 2012 3:43 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    On the positive side, the Stock Market is down another 155 points today…

    Thud!


  95. 95 | November 14, 2012 3:43 pm

    @ Rodan:

    Not likely. By 2016 Pakistan will have ahad a coup and the Taliban or close enough will be in charge. They’ll be allied with the resurgent Taliban in Afghanistan. Iran will be supplying them money for their terrorist efforts from her petrodollars. They’ll all be happy as a tick on a dog.


  96. Speranza
    96 | November 14, 2012 3:44 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    He was my TV boyfriend. Still is whenever he shows up — not a bad jazz piano player either.

    As a horny young pre teenager I had a major league crush on Diana Rigg aka Mrs. Emma Peel of The Avengers.


  97. 97 | November 14, 2012 3:44 pm

    @ Speranza:

    I like Barbara and Laura. All the others not so much.


  98. Speranza
    98 | November 14, 2012 3:45 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    @ Rodan:
    Not likely. By 2016 Pakistan will have ahad a coup and the Taliban or close enough will be in charge. They’ll be allied with the resurgent Taliban in Afghanistan. Iran will be supplying them money for their terrorist efforts from her petrodollars. They’ll all be happy as a tick on a dog.

    And Obama will still be lovingly referring to it as Pock-ee-stahn.


  99. coldwarrior
    99 | November 14, 2012 3:45 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Iron Fist:
    Hey maybe Pakistan and Iran will nuke each other!

    feed the paki’s to india.

    Diwali is happening right now. what better way than to celebrate with nukes over Pakistan!

    a true festival of light!


  100. 100 | November 14, 2012 3:45 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Now its -185


  101. Speranza
    101 | November 14, 2012 3:46 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I like Barbara and Laura. All the others not so much.

    Barbara opens her mouth too much. Laura is innocuous.


  102. 102 | November 14, 2012 3:46 pm

    Down 177 now… The slide continues unabated…


  103. Speranza
    103 | November 14, 2012 3:46 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Now its -185

    The fun never stops. This is just the beginning.


  104. Speranza
    104 | November 14, 2012 3:47 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    I like Barbara and Laura. All the others not so much.

    My favorite First Lady -- Pat Nixon.


  105. coldwarrior
    105 | November 14, 2012 3:47 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    On the positive side, the Stock Market is down another 155 points today…

    B000000M!!!!


  106. 106 | November 14, 2012 3:48 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    The fun never stops. This is just the beginning.

    Absolutely. They may be able to prop the Dow up some by printing money, but as the Recession reasserts itself it will be felt in the markets.


  107. 107 | November 14, 2012 3:49 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Now its -185

    You can tell by the tick’s that the brakes are on… But they can’t halt the slide…


  108. Speranza
    108 | November 14, 2012 3:49 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    The fun never stops. This is just the beginning.

    Absolutely. They may be able to prop the Dow up some by printing money, but as the Recession reasserts itself it will be felt in the markets.

    This is just the beginning because the fool thinks he has a mandate.


  109. 109 | November 14, 2012 3:52 pm

    Iron Fist wrote:

    Speranza wrote:
    The fun never stops. This is just the beginning.
    Absolutely. They may be able to prop the Dow up some by printing money, but as the Recession reasserts itself it will be felt in the markets.

    Actually I think they have already passed the point where pumping money into the market’s can prop the market up. I suspect that the current drop in the market is despite massive amounts being pumped in, and that means only one possible thing. We are entering into a deflationary spiral.


  110. 110 | November 14, 2012 3:53 pm

    -200


  111. 111 | November 14, 2012 3:53 pm

    Speranza wrote:

    Now if only Rand Paul did not have Luap Nor as a father.

    He’s my junior Senator and, while I voted for him, I had my doubts. I’ve been very pleasantly surprised; he’s definitely not just a younger version of his father.


  112. Mars
    112 | November 14, 2012 3:54 pm

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/11/14/barack-obama-demands-extension-of-bush-tax-cuts-republican-insider/

    Here’s a good example of flipping the script. O is talking about extending the tax cuts. Make sure in conversation with people you stress these are middle class tax cuts created by republicans.


  113. 113 | November 14, 2012 3:54 pm

    @ Iron Fist:

    The Taliban is allied with the Muslim Brotherhood. A Islamist Pakistan will be against Iran. Look at Syria for a preview.


  114. 114 | November 14, 2012 3:54 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    He gets it!


  115. coldwarrior
    115 | November 14, 2012 3:54 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    We are entering into a deflationary spiral.

    that is like a flat spin in an airplane.

    and there is no room to move on interest rates.


  116. 116 | November 14, 2012 3:57 pm

    One thing I really miss about New York is really good Liverwurst. You cannot get great Liverwurst on the West Coast. It’s like shrimp from the Gulf Coast.

    I throw that out there apropos of nothing at all except my sandwich was not all I thought it would be….


  117. 117 | November 14, 2012 3:57 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ MacDuff:

    He gets it!

    He absolutely does. He’s a bit of an odd bird, but I’ve grown to like him.


  118. 118 | November 14, 2012 3:59 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Bozo had a presser today and reiterated his favorite excuses -- he inherited all this from Bush and he’s focused on jobs and recovery.
    Pretty hard to convince folks with the Dow sliding another 200 points and layoffs being announced all over the place.

    So you really didn’t have an effing plan, did you, Barry?


  119. Speranza
    119 | November 14, 2012 4:00 pm

    MacDuff wrote:

    He’s my junior Senator and, while I voted for him, I had my doubts. I’ve been very pleasantly surprised; he’s definitely not just a younger version of his father.

    He has been a pleasant surprise.


  120. 120 | November 14, 2012 4:02 pm

    @ Mars:

    I’m fine with raising the tax on those that make over $1,000,000 a year and even more on those making $5,000,000 a year. I think we should tax those that make money from entertainment such as movies and concerts at a really really high rate. After all, didn’t they cry about how they wanted to pay higher taxes?


  121. Speranza
    121 | November 14, 2012 4:02 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    One thing I really miss about New York is really good Liverwurst. You cannot get great Liverwurst on the West Coast. It’s like shrimp from the Gulf Coast.
    I throw that out there apropos of nothing at all except my sandwich was not all I thought it would be….

    Hot pastrami and corned beef.


  122. 122 | November 14, 2012 4:03 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Looks like it’s pulling back a little -- my iPhone has -185 now.


  123. lobo91
    123 | November 14, 2012 4:08 pm

    Well, I made it back from the VA without being arrested.

    What a nightmare that place is. I saw 2 employees the whole time I was there--a clerk and an armed guard.

    They’re now convinced that I actually did serve in combat, though. Apparently, a US campaign medal isn’t sufficient evidence. I had to show them that I got medals from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia before they believed me.

    I’m still on the waiting list to get an actual appointment, but maybe I’ll move up a few spaces. And I think this means I don’t have to pay anything.

    Assuming that I ever get anything in the first place, of course.


  124. Speranza
    124 | November 14, 2012 4:10 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Bozo had a presser today and reiterated his favorite excuses — he inherited all this from Bush and he’s focused on jobs and recovery.
    Pretty hard to convince folks with the Dow sliding another 200 points and layoffs being announced all over the place.
    So you really didn’t have an effing plan, did you, Barry?

    He really is a classless jerk.


  125. lobo91
    125 | November 14, 2012 4:11 pm

    Now here’s a petition worth signing, if you’re so inclined:

    To:
    US House of Representatives
    US Senate
    Senate Committee on Armed Services
    House Committee on Armed Services
    House Oversight Committee
    President Barack Obama

    Whereas, evidence indicates that the massacre at the American embassy in Benghazi was part of a greater terror plot, which culminated in the brutal assassination of Ambassador Christopher Stevens, and,

    Whereas, President Barack Obama and high ranking members of his administration had access to such evidence immediately following the attack, and,

    Whereas, President Obama and members of his administration proceeded to mislead the American people for two weeks after the attack into believing that it was a spontaneous response to a low-budget, anti-Islamic video being circulated on the Internet, and,

    Whereas, President Obama denied requests from the Department of State for increased levels of security at the embassy prior to the attack, requests that stemmed from evidence that such an attack could occur, and,

    Whereas, Americans on the ground in Benghazi were denied military support by high ranking administration officials during the attack, and,

    Whereas, such support could have meant the difference between life and death for those on the ground in Benghazi, and,

    Whereas, President Obama and members of his administration have yet to convey the full truth about the administration’s failings in the Benghazi massacre to the American people, and,

    Therefore, we the undersigned call on members of Congress to appoint a special prosecutor to launch a full scale investigation into the events surrounding the massacre in Benghazi, including, but not limited to, why requests by the Department of State for increased levels of security at the embassy prior to the attack were denied by President Obama, when exactly the President and his advisors became aware of the true circumstances of the attack, why the President and his advisors then misled the public about the nature of the attack, and if high crimes and misdemeanors were committed during this campaign of misinformation.

    We further call on members of Congress to take the necessary steps to ensure that, if high crimes and misdemeanors were committed by President Obama and/or members of his administration, those responsible for there perpetration be held accountable, even if that includes the indictment of administration officials and the impeachment of President Obama.


  126. 126 | November 14, 2012 4:12 pm

    @ Speranza:
    @ MacDuff:

    He wants to win elections and make the broaden the GOP base.


  127. Speranza
    127 | November 14, 2012 4:15 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Mars:
    I’m fine with raising the tax on those that make over $1,000,000 a year and even more on those making $5,000,000 a year. I think we should tax those that make money from entertainment such as movies and concerts at a really really high rate. After all, didn’t they cry about how they wanted to pay higher taxes?

    Tax all wealthy liberals who voted for him.


  128. lobo91
    128 | November 14, 2012 4:17 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Tax all wealthy liberals who voted for him.

    If only half the country is going to pay taxes, it should be the half who voted for him.


  129. Speranza
    129 | November 14, 2012 4:22 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Tax all wealthy liberals who voted for him.

    If only half the country is going to pay taxes, it should be the half who voted for him.

    Now that would be justice!


  130. Speranza
    130 | November 14, 2012 4:22 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    @ MacDuff:
    He wants to win elections and make the broaden the GOP base.

    He is right. We need to bring more people in.


  131. 131 | November 14, 2012 4:31 pm

    Interesting. Medved was just discussing election stats and he said that Romney carried “middle class” voters by 6 points, with “middle class being defined as household income of $50K-$100K. Among those with household incomes $50K and over, he won by 8 points.

    I wonder what the percentage of all Obama voters pay no income tax at all? I’d expect they’re his single largest constituency.

    Anyone who thinks that it’s not in Democrats’ best interest to expand the ranks of low income Americans is ignoring glaring facts to the contrary.


  132. 132 | November 14, 2012 4:35 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Looks like it’s pulling back a little — my iPhone has -185 now.

    And so it closes at -185, however, more important is to pay attention to the general trend. Safeguards have been put in place to prevent the market from crashing again like it did on 9/11. But those safeguards cannot prevent a long term slow motion collapse.

    The more money the Fed pumps into the market to stabilize the market the less each dollar becomes worth. Eventually there comes a point where no matter how much money they put in, it cannot stop the decline of the market. When that happens we enter into a deflationary spiral.

    A deflationary spiral is what happens when an inflationary bubble expands so fast that the inflationary impact on currency causes a geometrical devaluation of the currency. Since currency can never have a negative value when it’s devaluation reaches a point of critical mass, the inflationary bubble collapses.

    As coldwarrior can tell you, deflationary spirals 99.9 percent of the time lead to even worse situations, hyper inflation, stagflation, and eventually the complete collapse of the currency.


  133. lobo91
    133 | November 14, 2012 4:35 pm

    @ MacDuff:

    I wonder what the percentage of all Obama voters pay no income tax at all? I’d expect they’re his single largest constituency.

    Of course they are. The main Democrat constituencies are the poor, the extremely rich, academics, government workers, and the miscellaneous fringe groups (gays, environmentalists, etc).


  134. Speranza
    134 | November 14, 2012 4:35 pm

    It may be, as Bill Kristol pointed out on Fox News the other day, that it makes no sense for the GOP to “fall on its sword for a bunch of millionaires.” Speaker John Boehner’s initial offer to raise revenue by eliminating tax deductions for the wealthy was an indication that Republicans are prepared to start bargaining. And as Kristol said, there is an argument to be made that if the House leadership bargains the tax increase cutoff up, it may be good politics. But there should be no illusions that what the president is offering is a balanced plan in any sense of the word.


  135. buzzsawmonkey
  136. Speranza
    136 | November 14, 2012 4:39 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    New Buzz Ballad: “Hamas Song” now up at PJM.

    You opened “the gates of hell” with that one. lol


  137. lobo91
    137 | November 14, 2012 4:39 pm

    @ Speranza:

    But there should be no illusions that what the president is offering is a balanced plan in any sense of the word.

    Obama keeps talking about $9 in cuts for every $1 in new revenue, but that’s just laughable. For one thing, his definition of a “cut” is a reduction in the rate of growth. And then there’s the double-counting, like they used to lie about the cost of Obamacare, and the counting of money that was never going to be spent, like his claimed “savings” from ending the Iraq war.


  138. coldwarrior
    138 | November 14, 2012 4:40 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    As coldwarrior can tell you, deflationary spirals 99.9 percent of the time lead to even worse situations, hyper inflation, stagflation, and eventually the complete collapse of the currency.

    nothing good comes from deflation.


  139. buzzsawmonkey
    139 | November 14, 2012 4:41 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Leave a comment, if you can.


  140. lobo91
    140 | November 14, 2012 4:44 pm

    I actually have a $40 million budget surplus, using Obamanomics.

    I was going to buy a Gulfstream V, but decided to just keep my Hyundai, instead.


  141. 141 | November 14, 2012 4:46 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    doriangrey wrote:
    As coldwarrior can tell you, deflationary spirals 99.9 percent of the time lead to even worse situations, hyper inflation, stagflation, and eventually the complete collapse of the currency.
    nothing good comes from deflation.

    Well, on the macro scale that is for certain. On the personal level though, they can be a great time to snap up insane bargains, but ya got to judge it right, never sell in a deflationary spiral, buy on the way down and try to catch the bottom. Once it bottoms out… Step back and stay out of the way cause it’s going orbital after that.


  142. coldwarrior
    142 | November 14, 2012 4:47 pm

    HA!

    The Israeli army gives fair warning to Hamas terrorists on Twitter:

    IDF✔

    @IDFSpokesperson

    We recommend that no Hamas operatives, whether low level or senior leaders, show their faces above ground in the days ahead.


  143. buzzsawmonkey
    143 | November 14, 2012 4:48 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    See my #135.


  144. coldwarrior
    145 | November 14, 2012 4:51 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    New Buzz Ballad: “Hamas Song” now up at PJM.

    i just got done humming along to it!


  145. coldwarrior
    146 | November 14, 2012 4:52 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    @ Speranza:
    As I warned.
    Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt threatens intervention in Gaza

    right on queue!


  146. 147 | November 14, 2012 4:52 pm

    When it rains it pours.

    Egypt recalls ambassador following Gaza strikes


  147. 148 | November 14, 2012 4:54 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Hamas is the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. The MB now controls Egypt. It’s elementary dear Watson!


  148. 149 | November 14, 2012 4:55 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    McCain’s friends!


  149. coldwarrior
    150 | November 14, 2012 4:56 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Hamas is the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. The MB now controls Egypt. It’s elementary dear Watson!

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    McCain’s friends!

    quite, mr holmes.


  150. heysoos
    151 | November 14, 2012 4:58 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Hamas is the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. The MB now controls Egypt. It’s elementary dear Watson!

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Hamas is the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. The MB now controls Egypt. It’s elementary dear Watson!

    yeah, and I’m getting sick of these assholes…BO could change the paradigm if he’d just say that if Israel is attacked we will defend her, period…it’s so gd simple for any POTUS, but BO is clueless and Muz loving and it just gets people killed….BO is fucking reckless and a danger to the whole ME….spit


  151. buzzsawmonkey
    152 | November 14, 2012 4:58 pm

    The Brotherhood Muslim
    —from “How to Succeed at Jihad Without Even Trying,” with apologies to “The Brotherhood of Man” from “How to Succeed in Business…”

    Intro (spoken):
    Now, you may say you’re a Jew, my friend,
    And others say they’re Christian;
    And some folks worship other gods…
    It takes too long to list them.
    Still others worship Marxist thought
    Or global climate change;
    But I’ve learned there’s one scimitar
    That has us all in range.

    Sings:
    There is a Brotherhood Muslim,
    Stealthy covert Brotherhood Muslim,
    A band that seeks to bind
    All human hearts and minds
    Into one Brotherhood Muslim.
    Forget about being free,
    Just give those Brothers all you can.
    Oh aren’t you proud to be
    Shorn of humanity,
    In the great Brotherhood Muslim?

    Some men are independent,
    And live life as they choose,
    But when Islam’s ascendant
    That notion they will lose.
    They need an imam’s leadership,
    Or else they’ll be done in—
    Remember, non-submission
    Is always mortal sin.

    They’re (We’re) in (in) the (the) Brotherhood Muslim,
    Dedicated to giving all we can.
    Oh, we’re so proud to be
    Shorn of humanity,
    In the great big Brotherhood Muslim!

    No kiddin’! Is there really a Brotherhood…?
    Yes, you’re a brother
    Muslim?
    You are a brother
    On the level, a Brotherhood Muslim?
    Oh yes, oh yes.

    A band that seeks to bind
    All human hearts and minds
    Into one Brotherhood Muslim
    Just forget about being free
    Keep a-givin’ each Brother all you can
    Oh aren’t you…
    You, you’re not free;
    Us, we got you, you!

    Hear that muezzin keening,
    Towards Mecca you’re leaning,
    Now your life has meaning,
    Oh Brother!
    You, you’re not free;
    Us, we got you, you!

    Just forget about being free.
    Keep a-givin’ each Brother all you can.
    Close your eyes and you’ll be
    In the Ummah with me,
    The great big Brotherhood Muslim!


  152. 153 | November 14, 2012 4:59 pm

    @ heysoos:

    Yet Obama and McCain supported the MB taking power in Egypt.


  153. 154 | November 14, 2012 5:00 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    I don’t think Egypt will get directly involved. But they will allow Al-Qaeda fighters to use Egypt to get involved in this.


  154. Purre
    155 | November 14, 2012 5:01 pm

    Interesting thing. I have tried for a week now to find news about US economy from Finnish media (tv, websites -- I am not going to buy the papers and not bothering to go to library for them) and there has been absolutely no news whatsoever. No negative news of any kind apart from Petraeus case has appeared in the news. One would assume that in any media outlet that has section on economy has at least passing news on how economy is developing on the other side of the pond, but no. For example I would have assumed that Boeing news would have reached news because of the size of it… and since our air force has Boeing-made fighters. Therefore I have no idea if the Boeing’s layoffs will affect air force in any way.


  155. 156 | November 14, 2012 5:01 pm

    Israel vs. Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood/Al-Qaeda
    Assad/Iran/Hizballah vs. Al-Qaeda/Muslim Brotherhood
    Hizballah/Iran vs. Israel

    This is really a crazy scenario.


  156. 157 | November 14, 2012 5:02 pm

    @ Purre:

    The election is over. They are not reporting the market meltdown. Stocks down another 185 today. They will not report anything to make the man-god look bad.


  157. heysoos
    158 | November 14, 2012 5:04 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I don’t think Egypt will get directly involved. But they will allow Al-Qaeda fighters to use Egypt to get involved in this.

    they got no food, no water, no resources, a puny army, and full of crazed Muzlims that want to tear up the Sphinx….why are we even dealing with these brutes?….let them starve…I’ve had it, done…not even going to try and think this stuff through anymore….the results are always the same….pound sand Mo


  158. 159 | November 14, 2012 5:08 pm

    @ heysoos:

    You are preaching to the choir!


  159. Lily
    160 | November 14, 2012 5:08 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Purre:

    The election is over. They are not reporting the market meltdown. Stocks down another 185 today. They will not report anything to make the man-god look bad.

    I have noticed this ….there has been a lot of bad things that are going down since obama was re-elected but they aren’t getting any traction in the MSM or in the newspapers..odd isn’t it that they are still carrying obama’s water..


  160. buzzsawmonkey
    161 | November 14, 2012 5:11 pm

    Lily wrote:

    odd isn’t it that they are still carrying obama’s water..

    The water hasn’t broken yet because he is not quite ready to birth the full-bore socialist state…


  161. Lily
    162 | November 14, 2012 5:11 pm

    @ Purre:

    As soon as obama was re-elected lots of companies started down-sizing and laying off people ..because of obamacare they simply cannot afford it. No where in the papers is this being reported.


  162. 163 | November 14, 2012 5:14 pm

    @ Speranza:

    Oh I won’t even eat Pastrami or Corned Beef in most places out here. There’s one place that’s really good -- Stage Door Deli on Geary Street -- but I think that’s owned by two ex New Yorkers.

    I miss Katz’s. REALLY Miss Katz’s.


  163. Lily
    164 | November 14, 2012 5:15 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    odd isn’t it that they are still carrying obama’s water..

    The water hasn’t broken yet because he is not quite ready to birth the full-bore socialist state…

    This just baffles me. Our own media is in collusion with obama …I personally have never seen anything like this…in the United States.
    At least this much propaganda..I have seen propaganda in the media before but this is waaaaaaay more than I have ever seen in the tank to actually destroy our country. They are not really even reporting the states that want to secede..although this is only a protest and I don’t see anything coming from it/and I could be wrong. But people aren’t happy and yet obama was re-elected it boggles the mind.


  164. Purre
    165 | November 14, 2012 5:16 pm

    @ Lily:
    Considering how they reported every single favourable thing, this silence can only mean that things are quite bad.


  165. buzzsawmonkey
    166 | November 14, 2012 5:17 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    Oh I won’t even eat Pastrami or Corned Beef in most places out here. There’s one place that’s really good — Stage Door Deli on Geary Street — but I think that’s owned by two ex New Yorkers.

    I miss Katz’s. REALLY Miss Katz’s.

    Should you end up in Chicago, go to Manny’s, just off Roosevelt Road. Like Katz’s, it’s not kosher—only “kosher style”—but they make easily the best corned beef sandwich east of the Mississippi. Very thin-sliced, on rye bread w/caraway seeds.

    Fantastic.


  166. Lily
    167 | November 14, 2012 5:17 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    I don’t think Egypt will get directly involved. But they will allow Al-Qaeda fighters to use Egypt to get involved in this.

    they got no food, no water, no resources, a puny army, and full of crazed Muzlims that want to tear up the Sphinx….why are we even dealing with these brutes?….let them starve…I’ve had it, done…not even going to try and think this stuff through anymore….the results are always the same….pound sand Mo

    We should not be giving money to them when we as a nation can’t afford it and yes they can pound sand as far as I am concerned.


  167. 168 | November 14, 2012 5:18 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Any predictions, DG? Do you think we looking at the gradual -- 50 points a day here, 100 points a day there -- slide into below 10,000 by the end of the year? My stats say the Dow’s lost about 1,000 points over the last month.


  168. 169 | November 14, 2012 5:19 pm

    @ Lily:

    Stock Market down 1000 since Obama’s re-elect. Nothing, dead silence. A Meteor can hit us and the media will barely mention it. Can’t make their beloved man-god look bad.


  169. heysoos
    170 | November 14, 2012 5:19 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    You are preaching to the choir!

    I know it….my mood is crashing…I’m an upbeat sort of guy, but all this unnatural bullshit is pissing me off


  170. 171 | November 14, 2012 5:19 pm

    @ Carolina Girl:

    See my 156, GMTA!


  171. 172 | November 14, 2012 5:20 pm

    @ buzzsawmonkey:

    I’ve heard of Manny’s actually, and if I every toughen up enough to head to Chicago, it’ll top my list. Just as I steer people to Mother’s or the Central Grocery if they’re headed for New Orleans -- best Po’Boy and Muffeletta in the Crescent City.


  172. 173 | November 14, 2012 5:20 pm

    @ Lily:

    This is not normal.


  173. Lily
    174 | November 14, 2012 5:22 pm

    Purre wrote:

    @ Lily:
    Considering how they reported every single favourable thing, this silence can only mean that things are quite bad.

    Things are very bad. Very. Although our nation was severly divided when obama was at the helm for 4 years his re-election has divided us even more and that says something ….there are cracks all across the country and boy oh boy lots of people are going to be out of work because of obamacare and the ridiculous EPA red tape against companies here. Just read somewhere that obama is going to double-down on carbon taxes also. This isn’t good and will get very bad quickly.


  174. 175 | November 14, 2012 5:23 pm

    New thread.


  175. 176 | November 14, 2012 5:24 pm

    @ Lily:

    Obama wants 1.6 Trillion in tax hikes. He’s calling for just 1.1 Trillion in cuts.


  176. heysoos
    177 | November 14, 2012 5:24 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ buzzsawmonkey:
    I’ve heard of Manny’s actually, and if I every toughen up enough to head to Chicago, it’ll top my list. Just as I steer people to Mother’s or the Central Grocery if they’re headed for New Orleans — best Po’Boy and Muffeletta in the Crescent City.

    once you get into Chicago and squared away (could be a separate adventure), Chicago is a pretty friendly town, easy to get around the Loop and alot of fun…some terrific clubs and chow….it’s world class, and the architecture will knock your socks off


  177. buzzsawmonkey
    178 | November 14, 2012 5:24 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    I’ve heard of Manny’s actually, and if I every toughen up enough to head to Chicago, it’ll top my list.

    This’ll put you in a semi-coma for the rest of the afternoon:

    1) a bowl of chicken soup with kreplach (meat dumplings);
    2) a corned-beef sandwich on seeded rye, with a potato pancake on the side;
    3) a chocolate phosphate (chocolate syrup and seltzer). You might think that a chocolate-syrup-and-seltzer drink is odd to have with corned beef; it isn’t. Go for it.

    You will probably not need to eat again until the next day.


  178. Lily
    179 | November 14, 2012 5:26 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Stock Market down 1000 since Obama’s re-elect. Nothing, dead silence. A Meteor can hit us and the media will barely mention it. Can’t make their beloved man-god look bad.

    The stock-market has been in a free-fall and nothing is being said about it anywhere unless you go to conservative sites. It is like I said mind-boggling to be honest.


  179. buzzsawmonkey
    180 | November 14, 2012 5:26 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    the architecture will knock your socks off

    If they haven’t torn it down.

    Chicago had a lot more great architecture only 20 years ago. They brag about it and pull it down in the same breath. But yes, there’s a lot of beautiful stuff. It’s a gorgeous city; too bad it has an idiot like Rahm for a mayor and is overrun with racist gangs.


  180. coldwarrior
    181 | November 14, 2012 5:27 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Chicago is a pretty friendly town, easy to get around the Loop and alot of fun

    its a great place to visit.

    spend much time there on business/pleasure


  181. Lily
    182 | November 14, 2012 5:28 pm

    heysoos wrote:

    Rodan wrote:

    @ heysoos:
    You are preaching to the choir!

    I know it….my mood is crashing…I’m an upbeat sort of guy, but all this unnatural bullshit is pissing me off

    Join the club. If Romney would have been re-elected there would have been a boom in jobs…lots of companies were waiting til this election before they did anything.


  182. heysoos
    183 | November 14, 2012 5:29 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    heysoos wrote:
    the architecture will knock your socks off
    If they haven’t torn it down.
    Chicago had a lot more great architecture only 20 years ago. They brag about it and pull it down in the same breath. But yes, there’s a lot of beautiful stuff. It’s a gorgeous city; too bad it has an idiot like Rahm for a mayor and is overrun with racist gangs.

    yup, the gangs took their business down into the Loop this past season….alot of people very unhappy with that developement


  183. Lily
    184 | November 14, 2012 5:30 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    This is not normal.

    This isn’t normal at all…I have never seen anything like it to be honest…something isn’t adding up to be honest. Oh and not only Texas got the required amount of votes to secede so did Louisiana..where were all these people on election day????


  184. Lily
    185 | November 14, 2012 5:33 pm

    Rodan wrote:

    @ Lily:

    Obama wants 1.6 Trillion in tax hikes. He’s calling for just 1.1 Trillion in cuts.

    He is trying to break the middle-class is what he is doing.


  185. buzzsawmonkey
    186 | November 14, 2012 5:42 pm

    Lily wrote:

    He is trying to break the middle-class is what he is doing.

    He spent twenty years in a church dedicated to “the disavowal of middleclassness,” i.e., the destruction of the middle class.


  186. 187 | November 14, 2012 5:49 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ doriangrey:
    Any predictions, DG? Do you think we looking at the gradual — 50 points a day here, 100 points a day there — slide into below 10,000 by the end of the year? My stats say the Dow’s lost about 1,000 points over the last month.

    Only at first, then 200 and 300 point slides per day and when it becomes obvious what is happening, a suspension of trading. Funny thing could very well take place then. Once what is coming get’s here, and it causes massive bureaucratic constriction and state level employe discharges and draconian spending cuts the last ditch efforts to prop themselves up by the Federal Government and California will probably result in California becoming fiscally solvent again for the first time in decades.

    For those of you unaware, California is currently the third largest oil producing state in the United States. The only reason that California is the third largest oil producers is… That Sacramento has placed about 75% of California’s petroleum resources off limits for production or extraction.

    There is more oil off the coast of California then there is anywhere else on earth. More than in the Gulf, more than in all of Texas, more than in Alaska and more than in the entire Middle East.

    How do I know this? Because off the coast of California their is a asphalt volcano range, it run’s for about 500 miles from just above San Fransisco to Orange County. These are active volcano’s that erupt asphalt rather than lava.

    You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to understand what this means.

    The last ditch effort I mentioned above.. Yea, that would be to lift the restriction on California’s oil production. Even enviro-nazi’s change their minds when they are starving.


  187. Lily
    188 | November 14, 2012 5:55 pm

    buzzsawmonkey wrote:

    Lily wrote:

    He is trying to break the middle-class is what he is doing.

    He spent twenty years in a church dedicated to “the disavowal of middleclassness,” i.e., the destruction of the middle class.

    That church wasn’t a Church…nothing about Jesus just all about the White Devils…good Lord what has this nation elected a second time for our president? Unfreaking-believable.


  188. Lily
    189 | November 14, 2012 6:00 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    My husband works in the petro-chem industry and he says we have plenty of oil here to last a very long time…if we would only access it. There is the problem. And through the years we have learned to access it with low damage to the enviorment …it is sickening to not shore up our reserves and depend on getting our resources here. This would put a lot of people to work and energy would be cheaper.


  189. lobo91
    190 | November 14, 2012 6:04 pm

    @ Lily:

    This would put a lot of people to work and energy would be cheaper.

    But the earth has a fever! We have to heal the planet!
    //


  190. Speranza
    191 | November 14, 2012 6:10 pm

    Carolina Girl wrote:

    @ Speranza:
    Oh I won’t even eat Pastrami or Corned Beef in most places out here. There’s one place that’s really good — Stage Door Deli on Geary Street — but I think that’s owned by two ex New Yorkers.
    I miss Katz’s. REALLY Miss Katz’s.

    Katz’s is great as is The Second Avenue Deli and Carnegie Deli.


  191. 192 | November 14, 2012 6:15 pm

    @ Lily:

    Here is a news report from July 2012 of one of those asphalt volcano eruptions.


  192. 193 | November 14, 2012 6:53 pm

    Reagan has a legacy so distorted by the Conservative idolization of him that we may never have a clear picture of the real man behind the television set beyond the elaborate myth now concocted around him. Did he really rid the world of commie scum? Did destroy or save our economy? Check out my portrait of The Gipper and help me figure it out on my artist’s blog at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2011/02/happy-100th-gipper.html with some Cold War Hollywood!


  193. 194 | November 14, 2012 7:58 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    We could retire California’s debt by selling oil leases.


  194. 195 | November 15, 2012 7:37 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ Lily:
    This would put a lot of people to work and energy would be cheaper.
    But the earth has a fever! We have to heal the planet!
    //

    No, the earth doesn’t have a fever -- it has an infestation. Of enviromentalists. We have to CLEANSE the planet!

    No sarc tags for me!


  195. lobo91
    196 | November 15, 2012 7:42 pm

    @ dregstudios:

    Did he really rid the world of commie scum?

    Clearly not. They just moved to Chicago for a few years.


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